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SMNTY Classics: Black Widow, Baby · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha. I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: stuff I've never told your production of I Heart Radio,
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  Speaker 1: so I have. I have two questions Slash one update
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to go into in this one. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So one is I have started playing the Inheritance game. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that you discussed recently in the Monday Minnie Samantha, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, the hill's happening here. I haven't gotten
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  Speaker 1: very far, but I'm curious because you've given me some
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  Speaker 1: you know, tips as to what's gonna happen. And it
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  Speaker 1: involves like a seance apparently. Is there any like hint
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  Speaker 1: of you know, murder perhaps, yes, yes, yes there's murder.
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  Speaker 1: There's mafia involved, there are c i A undercover stuff
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  Speaker 1: happening now, tax evasion, yes, so that is all coming
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  Speaker 1: to play. My partner asked me how far along I was,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm so so, and then
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  Speaker 1: I realized, oh, I'm much much further along than I
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  Speaker 1: So all of my other games have kind of gone
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  Speaker 1: But again, they do a really good setup where they
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  Speaker 1: give you like free plays and like long plays, like
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  Speaker 1: to give you daily gifts and such that it keeps
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  Speaker 1: you going. But I will say also to that there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a scary Halloween storyline coming. And it
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  Speaker 1: says in nine days it has a countdown on my
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  Speaker 1: little game, and I was like, WHOA, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why. I guess they must have put something new
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  Speaker 1: in for the Halloween season, so they want you to
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  Speaker 1: know it's coming. Be excited. So I'm excited. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a Halloween addition to this. Okay, cool? Well, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to ask today. I'm still in the early stages where
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  Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of pictures being found in some
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  Speaker 1: weird stuff's happening, and since we know we're bringing back
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  Speaker 1: this classic on Black Widow Baby, I was just curious
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  Speaker 1: if that's something like that might be involved. I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you even the horse death is a part of
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  Speaker 1: this that you don't know what is happening. I've not
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  Speaker 1: seen where the women are the murderers necessarily, but there's
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  Speaker 1: an implication that one was a bad spy. No, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: I mean speaking of we do need to come back
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  Speaker 1: and do an update on the whole thing that happened
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  Speaker 1: with Black Widow, but also like our review on it,
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  Speaker 1: Black Widow the Marvel character movie trope we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: but yes, yes, and then I also just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: briefly discuss Samantha and I both have kind of spiders
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  Speaker 1: that we let live in our homes. Oh yeah, as
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  Speaker 1: long as they stay in their area, in their appropriate areas,
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  Speaker 1: because I have a lot of flying bugs about and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, if you can catch these bugs, we will
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  Speaker 1: be at peace. Also, don't come near me where you
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  Speaker 1: can drop into my face. Yes, but you you have
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  Speaker 1: some interesting names for your spiders. I do. Unfortunately, r
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  Speaker 1: I p to Henderson. He got found out by the
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  Speaker 1: partner and he's like, that's huge. Are you sure you
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  Speaker 1: want to keep it over here? And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, oh no. So I had Henderson as Morelda,
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  Speaker 1: which I named See who died I think, and has
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  Speaker 1: now been replaced by Todd. God's getting a little brave, brave.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, look, you need you need to stay
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  Speaker 1: back to your corner. Go back to your corner. I
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  Speaker 1: just love that we both do this, and we kind
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  Speaker 1: of both found out recently that we both do this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I really enjoy getting updates about your spiders and
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  Speaker 1: their names. So I just want to chicken, Just want
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  Speaker 1: to chicken. Yeah, have you seen the new spiders that
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  Speaker 1: are in Georgia right now. They're gold and they're terrifying
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  Speaker 1: looking at Apparently they spend gold webs. Oh interesting, and
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  Speaker 1: they're large. Yeah. Well, happy Halloween, everybody. This is making
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  Speaker 1: my skin crawled just a little bit, just a little bit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of, we did want to bring back this classic
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  Speaker 1: on the black Widow. What would that be called? What
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  Speaker 1: we call women who are murderers? I guess they seem
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  Speaker 1: to murder their husbands to be for their money. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so we wanted to bring back a classic. Digging into
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  Speaker 1: all of that, please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie Fan Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to stuff. I never told you a prediction
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  Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio's house at first. For today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're sort of continuing our conversation we had around female
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  Speaker 1: serial killers and a specific type of female serial killer
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  Speaker 1: that kept coming up. It's the black widow, right, um,
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  Speaker 1: And we said in those episodes we were going to
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  Speaker 1: come back and do an episode on this. So we
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  Speaker 1: are women of our words. Yeah, we are it just
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  Speaker 1: sounded like we are a new group or a squad
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  Speaker 1: or something. Women of our words. We could be woo,
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  Speaker 1: women of our words. It's wow w o o W.
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  Speaker 1: It's a yeah, wow, they're a we've got a whole group.
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  Speaker 1: And before we get into this trigger warning for violence,
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault, death, and general gruesomeness. Although not as bad
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  Speaker 1: as our female serial killer episodes, they were a rough
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  Speaker 1: um yeah. So we wanted to focus specifically on this
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  Speaker 1: black widow type of killings, type of killer. And of
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  Speaker 1: course we're not talking about the Avenger today sorry Annie
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  Speaker 1: one day, and we're not talking about the Spider, although
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  Speaker 1: the spider probably inspired the name um the So the
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  Speaker 1: black widow as a killer, not either of those things,
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  Speaker 1: refers to a female serial killer who kills three or
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  Speaker 1: more people, typically husbands or significant others, or both, for
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  Speaker 1: financial gain. Their method of choice is usually poison, and
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  Speaker 1: they are usually across between a serial killer and a
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  Speaker 1: con artist. Several of our examples of female elseheral killers
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  Speaker 1: in those episodes were black widows, and the FBI uses
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  Speaker 1: the term black widow as an official label for this
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  Speaker 1: type of killer, which is interesting and from the report
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  Speaker 1: on serial killers Financial gain is a motivation in which
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  Speaker 1: the finder benefits monetarily from killing. Examples of these types
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  Speaker 1: of crimes are black widow killings, robbery homicides, or multiple
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  Speaker 1: killings involving instruments or welfare fraud. Yeah, so that's an
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  Speaker 1: official FBI report. Now, Black Widow the Avenger, I will say,
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  Speaker 1: did make researching this topic very difficult. You had to
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  Speaker 1: be very specific with a lot of quotes around the yes. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: because most of the search results came up to be her,
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  Speaker 1: and because she is technically a murderer and a killers,
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  Speaker 1: so that was another layer of difficulty. She's a trained assassin, right.
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  Speaker 1: And then also because I kept getting distracted reading the comics.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I found out a very big spoiler
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  Speaker 1: for the most recent issue and I'm excited to have
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  Speaker 1: read it. Um do you never know where the research
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  Speaker 1: will lead you, although I guess it should have been obvious.
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  Speaker 1: There is a meme of Black Widow marrying Spider Man
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  Speaker 1: and then killing him, and that that made me laugh
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. Does he have money? I don't know, Peter
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  Speaker 1: and Parker, No, he has no money. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just a joke because he's a spider Spider Man. You see.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, we do call black widow killers black widows
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  Speaker 1: because female black widow spiders eat their mate after conception.
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  Speaker 1: And also black widow's been a web of lies. That's
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  Speaker 1: just some extra that I added in there. Um, a
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  Speaker 1: black widow usually the killer, not the spider, are the avengers,
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  Speaker 1: So now I'm going to say the killer. Yes, we're
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  Speaker 1: not talking about those other things from here on out.
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  Speaker 1: They usually search for somebody who is lonely, sad, maybe grieving,
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  Speaker 1: um in some way vulnerable. The black widow praise on
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  Speaker 1: that vulnerability, becoming what the target needs, perhaps sharing them
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  Speaker 1: with gifts, affection, those kinds of things. She is also
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  Speaker 1: likely to target friends and family. Basically, anyone in her
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  Speaker 1: orbit that can make her rich are just richer is
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  Speaker 1: a threat. So on average, the black widow starts on
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  Speaker 1: her path around twenty five and then murders for a
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  Speaker 1: decade before she gets caught. Decade a decade. Yeah, black
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  Speaker 1: widows frequently employ things like newspaper ads or these days
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  Speaker 1: online dating or some other type of wanted ads or
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  Speaker 1: dating tools to find their victim. Now, there are some
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  Speaker 1: variations of black widow that I wanted to touch on,
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  Speaker 1: one of them being the Cartwright curse. So this is basically,
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  Speaker 1: anyone who dates the protagonist dies and they usually die quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And it's named for the Cartwright family in Banan's which
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  Speaker 1: is a reference that I I am not familiar with, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but that's where it comes from. Um. Some examples are
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  Speaker 1: the Owens family from Practical Magic. There's a curse on
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  Speaker 1: the family that means that the women's husbands will tragically
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  Speaker 1: meet their ends. UM. Xander Harris from Buffy, Buffy from Buffy,
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  Speaker 1: Sam from Supernatural and one episode Dean even asked him,
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  Speaker 1: have you forgotten the average lifespan of your hookups? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Soshiko Sato in Torchwood, Jack from Sydney, Bristow from Alias,
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  Speaker 1: and depending on your choices, Shepherd from Mass Effect. So
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  Speaker 1: this is basically your main character. James Bond is another
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  Speaker 1: great one. Whoever they date dies usually putty immediately exactly exactly,
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  Speaker 1: So that's one variation. Um. Then there's the blue Beard
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  Speaker 1: from Stephen King's The Shining From there upon the floor
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  Speaker 1: was blood and on the walls were wives. For blue
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  Speaker 1: Beard first had married them, then cut their throats with knives.
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  Speaker 1: So this is essentially the male version of the Black widow.
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  Speaker 1: A dude who appears charming easily finds a mate to
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  Speaker 1: marry and then kills her. There is a major difference
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  Speaker 1: in motivation. Blue beards are not usually motivated by greed.
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  Speaker 1: The name comes from the Seven fairy Tale, in which
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  Speaker 1: the character blue Beard murders wives who opened a forbidden
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  Speaker 1: door disobeying his direct orders. The earliest versions were meant
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  Speaker 1: to be interpreted as a warning to women who disobeyed
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  Speaker 1: their husbands. Typically, the woman who opened the forbidden door
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  Speaker 1: would discover the bodies of blue beards past wives, and
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  Speaker 1: she decided to die. Obviously, Yeah, that's the only way.
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  Speaker 1: So sleeping your way to the top trope the self
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  Speaker 1: explanatory and often weaponized against women, whether it's true or not.
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  Speaker 1: Ye as we see often. Then there's a gold digger,
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  Speaker 1: which is similar but typically involves one partner who has
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  Speaker 1: riches and status clarice from it takes two both versions
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  Speaker 1: of the trap. And have you seen the latest withinnis
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  Speaker 1: Quaid's new fiance, of course, I have a fantastic And
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  Speaker 1: then Ron's first wife, Kamey, who tries to get back
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  Speaker 1: with Rod after learning he has gold buried in several
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  Speaker 1: places around his property a literal gold diggirl. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: love it. I love it. So we do have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of real life examples, but also a lot of
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  Speaker 1: me examples. But first we're gonna pause for a quick
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  Speaker 1: for many of the media examples, one of my favorites,
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  Speaker 1: of course is Snapped. I think I've referred to them
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  Speaker 1: now like four or five. Look, it's fantastic. Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite and does involve many different female
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  Speaker 1: incidents of murder or a tempted murder, including those who
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  Speaker 1: would be could could be qualified as black widows. But
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  Speaker 1: just a reminder, they have twenty four seasons. Yeah, they seasons, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so that it's a big show and has even expanded
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  Speaker 1: with killer couples. Yeah, you know, partner killers. All of
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  Speaker 1: these different. When I say partner killings like spouses or
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  Speaker 1: significant others, there's also killings where it may involved domestic violence.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of several whereas women being
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  Speaker 1: jealous of women. So yeah, so it's a whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's lasted twenty four seasons. Long twenty
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  Speaker 1: four seasons. For some ass I thought it was relatively no. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: And if you start like watching from the beginning, Um,
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  Speaker 1: the narration is Sharon Martin. She won an Emmy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure for which I think she because she's narrated
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  Speaker 1: on several different things. But yeah, yeah, it's legit. It's
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  Speaker 1: been around for man for at least I think two
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  Speaker 1: thousand four. Wow, so fifteen years. Well that's a reality check.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, we'll deal with that later. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: process that. Um. We also mentioned in one of our
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  Speaker 1: female serial killer episodes, the nineteen forty four Carrie Grant
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  Speaker 1: film Arsenic and Old Lace, which we have seen Samantha
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  Speaker 1: um featured two black widow type murderers, and, as you
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  Speaker 1: might guess from the title, these elderly women poisoned victims
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  Speaker 1: with arsenic lace pie and a smile and a smile
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  Speaker 1: that sounds like the perfect slogan the seven movie Black Widow,
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  Speaker 1: where the female serial killer continues to kill even after
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  Speaker 1: she is wealthy. Then there's Debbie Jelinski from Adam's Family Values,
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  Speaker 1: and another one that I've already mentioned previously, which parodies
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  Speaker 1: this is so I'm married an X murderer, went through
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  Speaker 1: several husbands, but of course that's always a ending twist.
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  Speaker 1: This one. Have you said you've seen this. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it, but I read about it for this episode,
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  Speaker 1: so I know what the spoilers. I'm not gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it even though its years old, because it's just fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mrs White from Clue, which again another one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite favorite movies, five of her husbands had died.
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  Speaker 1: One was an illusionist who disappeared and never reappeared, and
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  Speaker 1: of course Mrs White said of this he wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: very good illusionist. And one had his head chopped off
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  Speaker 1: by someone and something else. And then she points downwards
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  Speaker 1: as she yeah, it's so fantastic. She's like, head chopped
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  Speaker 1: off and it's fantastic. I think I watched it recently.
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  Speaker 1: It is one of those Halloween movies to me, because
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  Speaker 1: it's so fun and you want to kind of just reminisce.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, not the guests aged very well, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still great. I'm trying to get a party together. You
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  Speaker 1: might have been there when I was planning it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: always planning a party or two, but I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get a Tim Curry party together. Yes, everybody comes as
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  Speaker 1: a different Tim Curry. I think that would be spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the character and Mrs White Madeline Cohan,
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  Speaker 1: which is a great comedian from the eighties, eighties and nineties.
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  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic actress. She was the one that betrayed
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  Speaker 1: Mrs White. Another example from the media we have is
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  Speaker 1: Queen Ravenna from Snow White and the Huntsman, who killed
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  Speaker 1: snow White's father after marriage so that she can rule
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  Speaker 1: solo um. Similarly, the stepmother from Phoenix and Ashes Mercedes
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  Speaker 1: like he's take on the Cinderella Tail. There's a Get
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  Speaker 1: Smart where Maxwell had to marry an agent named widow
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  Speaker 1: often Annie Yep, who used these methods in her work.
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  Speaker 1: And then Samantha Carter from star Gate st on one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite shows, although actually more accurately an example
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  Speaker 1: of the Cartwright curse because all of her boyfriends don't
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  Speaker 1: last long before dying. The writers joking they called her
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  Speaker 1: Black Widow Carter and almost gave an episode that title. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's also Rebecca Carlson from the Body of Evidence, who
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  Speaker 1: went to trial on accusations that she went out and
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  Speaker 1: found wealthy men with health problems to have sex with
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  Speaker 1: until their hearts gaped out. Um. And then there's Catherine
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  Speaker 1: from Basic Instinct and oh my goodness, that movie itself
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  Speaker 1: was just as a young mind, you're like, I do
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  Speaker 1: leave it at that. Yeah, that's another one I've missed,
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  Speaker 1: and it's I've seen, you know, the clip that everyone shows,
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  Speaker 1: and for me as a young child, I thought, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to see that, Maybe I don't Blaze
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  Speaker 1: the Beanie's mother is implied to be a black widow
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  Speaker 1: in the Harry Potter series. Uh seven marriages of hers
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  Speaker 1: and with husband's dead under mysterious circumstances and their money
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  Speaker 1: transferred to her. Blaze a Beanie. Oh, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I did my crosswords not crossing war starts last night,
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  Speaker 1: date up a little too long doing them. Place and
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  Speaker 1: Bed is kind of a side character from Southern and
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's in the sixth one Half Blood Prints
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  Speaker 1: where he's invited to the Slug Club and he's the
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  Speaker 1: son of this model, famous model in the Wizarding World
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  Speaker 1: and it kind of comes up about his mother. It's
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  Speaker 1: very passing thing that is very specific. It is thank
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  Speaker 1: you I'm going to take it as a compliment. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's of course the Black Widow song by Asalea
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  Speaker 1: the read Or. I totally forgot about that until it
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  Speaker 1: was all of a sudden stuck in my head. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that song. Well, I'm not saying I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying it. Uh. And then your favorite ride, The Bride
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  Speaker 1: from the Disney ride the Haunted Mansion who murdered five
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  Speaker 1: husbands with an ax. Yeah, you know, it wasn't bad
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  Speaker 1: when I was seeing it from afar, and then they
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  Speaker 1: came close. I was like, nope, I got stuck on
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  Speaker 1: that ride once, right at the part where something just
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  Speaker 1: pop up at you over and over. And he told
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  Speaker 1: me about that. I think that actually kind of had
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  Speaker 1: me going, oh, don't let that happen. It was quite
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  Speaker 1: It was quite funny for a while, but yeah, eventually
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  Speaker 1: a little tiresome. So those are some media examples, but
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  Speaker 1: of course there are plenty of real life examples. One
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  Speaker 1: is Britain's Mary Anne Cotton, frequently misattributed as their first
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  Speaker 1: female known serial killer. She was born on Halloween in
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  Speaker 1: two killed twenty one people via poisoning before she was caught,
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  Speaker 1: and that included three spouses and up to eleven of
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  Speaker 1: her own children. Her first murder took place sometime in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five. She probably had killed before then. As
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  Speaker 1: we said in that Female serial Killer episodes, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of information around female serial killers is hard to get
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  Speaker 1: to the truth of what really happened and what was legend,
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  Speaker 1: and then what didn't go documented and what did um
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  Speaker 1: So this is sort of what a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: seemed to land on around her. She was caught in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy three and quickly found guilty and hanged. And
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  Speaker 1: there's even a poem or perhaps song about her, Marianne Cotton.
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  Speaker 1: She's dead and she's rotten. She lies in her bed
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  Speaker 1: with her eyes wide open, sing sing, oh what can
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  Speaker 1: I sing? Marianne Cotton is tied up with string? Where
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  Speaker 1: where up in the air, selling black Puddin's a penny
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  Speaker 1: a pair. There's also Daisy Luisa de Melcher, who went
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  Speaker 1: on to become the first woman to ever be hanged
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  Speaker 1: in South Africa. She married her first husband in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: o nine. Three of their five children died as babies,
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  Speaker 1: and her husband died in ninety three. He left in
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  Speaker 1: his wake a really big inheritance de Melca was married
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  Speaker 1: again within three years, and within three more years he
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  Speaker 1: was dead, picked into an illness very similar to the
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  Speaker 1: one that took the life of her first husband. Four
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  Speaker 1: years later, and she had herself another husband. Within a
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  Speaker 1: year that marriage, her son died after drinking coffee his
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  Speaker 1: mother made dot dot dot dot. The brother of Demlicra's
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  Speaker 1: second husband pushed for an investigation, and the authorities discovered
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  Speaker 1: arsenic and demlicras Son's system. Bodies of our first as
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  Speaker 1: second husbands were found to have poison in their systems
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  Speaker 1: as well. Wow. Then there's France's queen of poisoners, Marie Bisnard.
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  Speaker 1: She killed her first husband in the very next year.
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  Speaker 1: She had a second husband. They moved into his parents
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  Speaker 1: house and both parents were dead months later. Their daughter,
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  Speaker 1: who shared their inheritance, died soon after. Bausnard's father died.
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  Speaker 1: Within this period too, a couple of boarders died as well,
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  Speaker 1: and then they bequeathed their state to the Besnard's. Besnard's
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  Speaker 1: mother and a handful of other relatives also died, leaving
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  Speaker 1: everything they owned to the Besnards. By this point they
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  Speaker 1: were rich, but Bisnard's husband did have his doubts about
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  Speaker 1: his wife. He told a lover he was a aide
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  Speaker 1: Marie might be trying to kill him. After his nine
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  Speaker 1: death and Marie subsequently coming into his inheritance, people began
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  Speaker 1: to suspect foul play. Arsenic was deemed to be the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death, and several other bodies were exhumed and
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  Speaker 1: showed the same thing. Marie was charged with thirteen murders.
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  Speaker 1: Three trials later, she was acquitted. She died in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty one. Wow, how did you even get away with that?
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  Speaker 1: You can't help but just be sad and upset and
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  Speaker 1: somewhat impressed. I suppose we did talk about that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and we did an episode while back about like,
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  Speaker 1: why are we so interested in scam queens? Is a
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  Speaker 1: part of us sort of rooting. I'm not rooting for that,
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  Speaker 1: Please understand, I'm not, but you're just kind of like Wow.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, chicagoan and self proclaimed psychic Tilly Clement
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  Speaker 1: began accurately predicting the death of dogs in her neighborhood Rude.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years later, she upped the anti and
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  Speaker 1: predicting the death of her longtime husband, and in less
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  Speaker 1: than a month, sure enough, he was dead when she
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  Speaker 1: had cashed in on his life insurance policy, she marched
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  Speaker 1: right over to the matchmaker. Not three months later, she
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  Speaker 1: had remarried and then predicted her second husband's death and
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  Speaker 1: he died. Her third husband mad a similar fate, and
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  Speaker 1: when a woman in the neighborhood voiced her concerns about
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  Speaker 1: her presto, another prediction, and she was dead. Husband number
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  Speaker 1: four made it four years before a prediction and death.
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  Speaker 1: She also had predicted about three of her more troublesome
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  Speaker 1: children's death, all of whom ended up dying um. When
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: husband number five fell ill, his family took him to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital, where it was discovered he had arsenic in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: his system. She received a life sentence for attempted murder
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  Speaker 1: and was forbidered from cooking food for the other prisoners. Smart, yeah, smart,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. We do have some more
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  Speaker 1: examples for you, but first we have one more break
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  Speaker 1: and we're back with Texas black widow of Henderson County's title. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And Betty Lou Beats was arrested for the
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  Speaker 1: murder of her fifth husband and bearing him in her backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Police found his body, along with the bodies of all
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  Speaker 1: of her other victims. You know. Then there's Milli Weeks,
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  Speaker 1: who used online dating to find her targets after serving
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  Speaker 1: six years in prison for manslaughter. She had drugged her
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  Speaker 1: husband and then ran him over with her car. She
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: met a second husband at a Florida Christian retreat a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks after her release, who died mysteriously a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: year after their marriage. Weeks was arrested after a strange
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: drug was found in the system of her third husband,
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  Speaker 1: whose health had inexplicably rapidly deteriorated. She was sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: five years for stealing his funds, and he survived her
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  Speaker 1: third husband. So there's also Josuck Okay Kahy, the black
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  Speaker 1: widow of Kyoto from She killed at least seven men
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  Speaker 1: she was dating or married to for their life insurance
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  Speaker 1: equally about seven million dollars. She says she's innocent, doomed
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  Speaker 1: by faith, doomed by fate. In two thousand five, Stacy
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  Speaker 1: Castor's second husband died in what was believed to be
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  Speaker 1: a suicide. Upon further investigation, authorities found he had ingested
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: anti freeze. Now suspicious. The body of her first husband
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  Speaker 1: was exhumed and his system also contained anti freeze. Castor
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  Speaker 1: panicked inviting her daughter Ashley over for a drink. She
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: laced her daughter's cocktails with drugs, and after she passed out,
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  Speaker 1: Castor wrote a fake suicide note as Ashley, claiming that
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  Speaker 1: Ashley had killed her father and stepfather and herself. However,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Ashley's sister found her struggling to breathe in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: and she was taken to the hospital, where she was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: quoted to have been only fifth team minutes from death.
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  Speaker 1: When she awoke, she was shocked to hear that she
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: had allegedly written a suicide note confessing the murders of
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  Speaker 1: her father figures. Castors story quickly unraveled, and she's serving
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years. Yeah. Then there is the Black Widow case.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, at the ages of seventy
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  Speaker 1: seven and seventy five, respectively, Helen Golay and Olga rudder
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt were convicted of murder and sentenced to two consecutive
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  Speaker 1: life sentences. They had taken in to homeless men, clothed
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  Speaker 1: and fed them for two years before killing them with
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: their cars, but not before taking out millions in life
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  Speaker 1: insurance policies, dozens of life insurance policies. According to the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: detective that caught them, Helen was the brains and was
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: worth millions. The two actually didn't seem to really get along.
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  Speaker 1: I was one of the number one questions from interviews
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  Speaker 1: I read were like, were they friends? The answer seems
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  Speaker 1: to be no. Um. When it interviewed by Vice, this
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  Speaker 1: detective said, I think Helen is a completely psychotic person.
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  Speaker 1: She's probably one of the evils's minds I have ever
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  Speaker 1: come across. In thirty one years of doing this, I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen anyone who was that calculating and evil. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: want to say this is a snapped episode. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Well, it certainly was interesting because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the detectives, so the way they were caught
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  Speaker 1: is because people were kind of in awe that so
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  Speaker 1: many insurance policies have been taken out, and the insurance
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: person showed up kind of like, what's this is weird?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And one of the detectives mentioned in passing I remember
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a similar case a couple of years earlier, and it
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: was them as well. And um. One of the things
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that detectives were sort of um scratching their head about
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  Speaker 1: is they're pretty old, and so the millions of dollars
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, there was no one in the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: family they would want to pass that too, So I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: guess that's one of the reasons why they didn't really
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  Speaker 1: consider them at first. You know, you don't think about
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: old women killing people too off fen and then yeah, yeah, anyway, Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's also the nonfiction book Homicide, A Year on the
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  Speaker 1: Killing Streets, and in that one of the FBI profilers
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned that, unlike the Hollywood black widow trope that's very fimbatal,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: most real life like widows are older and more plain.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, big on that. Um, Okay, that's just a
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  Speaker 1: whole different conversation. Well again, it goes back to what
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: we said in that that episode around females zero killers,
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  Speaker 1: is that we always have to judge them based on
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: their looks somehow. Ah. Anyway, that about brings us to
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  Speaker 1: the end of this black Widow episode. If we miss
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• 28:52
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• 28:56
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• 28:59
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• 29:05
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