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Do WOMEN get UNFAIRLY TREATED in the hunting community? · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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All right. Well, here with my first guest,
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it's not really going to be a guest based show.
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It's going to be more of a conversational show with whoever
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happens to be here. You never know who it might be.
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So you're going to be sure you check in.
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There's going to be a lot of recurring members and a lot of
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new members mixing in and out. So you never know.
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It's kind of a social thing when you show up as far as who's
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going to show up. But today we got myself and
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Brianna who basically designed the whole room.
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She did a great job. It looks killer.
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Drop it in the comments. One to 10 rating how she did on
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on the on the room. What you can't see, you can see
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the majority of it. We do have ATV right here, so if
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we have to watch something that we're going to discuss, we can
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pull it up on YouTube, watch it and talk about it.
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Also, we have a skull tree here with four big mule deer box that
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is out of frame. Maybe we'll find a way to get
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that in a shot at some point, but pretty exciting.
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How does it feel being in the area?
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We put in a lot of work. Yeah, I did put in a lot of work
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I did. No, it's good.
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It's good. You killed it, by the way she
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did she. Did I know I did.
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I did some things. Yeah, you have the curtains.
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I had a lot of input. You finished the table.
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The skull Homes Skull tree. You brought that over, Hung them
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out you. Yeah, yeah, you know, a good
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amount of things hung. The picture we've learned I
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clearly can't hang things straight.
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So that was not on me. She goes, I go here, here, tell
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me when it's straight. She goes it's straight and I'll
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tack it in. I'll go back again.
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Yeah, now it's crooked and I go back do it again.
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It's crooked. Took three.
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Try I eventually. Had to do it, but yeah, luckily
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these honeycomb things right here, these sound boards are
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oddly shaped so you can't tell. And you're at an angle, but they
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are crooked as well. So therefore the editing station
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signs also crooked. Just the little things I see.
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But otherwise, no. Great.
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I think he's got a elk mount that's out in the hallway that's
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going to go over his head or Euro mount over his head there.
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So that won't look so empty. But yeah, comment if you see
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like some Dead Space. I don't know what you'll end up
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being able to actually see once he cuts the video up, but you
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know, I see some Dead Space here and here and.
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And places that things could go. So if you think of something
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cool want to drop a link to be like you should order this.
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I'm a big fan of Amazon Amazon Prime.
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She is. I am.
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You got to pay for the prime baby.
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You can't you can't skip. So yeah, it's been it was a good
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quick. Surprisingly for me projects
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take me a while to finish quick set up so.
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I like it. I think it's a great space for
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podding and conversations. Yeah and and and and I don't
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think we'll only, it won't only be used for pods, you know
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obviously I do real estate, so like I do real estate content as
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well. It works really double, double S
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for that, which is cool. But also you know I could see
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doing like archery product reviews in here potentially or
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even like maybe some bow tests like little you know you can do
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different things. So eventually you know who knows
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what'll happen but don't feed the dog.
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No, but yeah, definitely exciting.
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And yeah, the the The Boat Cycles podcast, the, the BDP,
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the BDP, you know? Oh, podcast, Yeah, Yeah.
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The P was for you. Just said it.
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But yeah, that's cool. Yeah, shout out to oh you.
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Forgot a guest? You forgot a guest.
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Oh yeah, we do have Albus here. He got in the trash a minute
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ago, so he's kind of in the doghouse, but he's in in for the
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the, the first pod. My shorts are falling off, so
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get them back on. Yeah, but we got Pryana here and
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like I said, this is not an interview space.
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It's a conversation space. But there's some things that I
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want to know that I don't know. Like, for example, what have
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what? What, What was your very first
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hunt you ever went on? What was it for?
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What were you hunting with? Did you get something?
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Did you see anything? So first time I think I ever
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went on. I'm trying to remember if I went
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like running dogs before I sat a tree.
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I honestly can't remember. So I'll just go to the first
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like sitting. Hunting versus dog running.
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It was on a little 10 acre piece of private property at the time.
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The person I was with their family had access to it because
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they did work for them and whatnot, fencing work.
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So we would go out there we had. Sorry, quick side note, we're
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trying the carnivore diet, so I am over here minus.
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I can't give up coffee. I just can't do it.
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So I have a coffee I'm allowed to have that.
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It's the only thing I do have. But I'm over here munching away
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on beef sticks and and hard cheese.
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So anyways, the first time I ever went on we had access 10
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acres we would go hang. It actually scared the living
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daylights out of me the first time went out, but feeders on
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timers that hung from the trees, so.
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It would go off and scare the bejesus out of you and start
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spreading corn in circles. And that was the first I ever
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went on. I sat.
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First time I went, I didn't kill anything.
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I sat in the tree, a double stand, which those are very
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comfortable. I'll tell you what, you didn't
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even need a second person in it. Nice and roomy.
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But that was the first time I ever went on, and my first deer
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was a little that buck that's out in the living room.
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A little six point and shot him out of a tree sitting by myself
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and he trying to remember if it was him or the spike, but it
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basically ran in circles like the corn feeder when it sprays.
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And so he only went about 30 to 60 yards.
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Maybe after that, because he did about 200 yards in circles,
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Pumpy. Yeah, and that was my first.
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Ever hunt? All right.
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So that must have been pretty exciting.
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I assume My question would be, after that, were you like,
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pretty set on that you wanted to hunt again?
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Like did you, were you pretty, like hooked on the experience
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would you say? Yeah, I would actually say I was
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hooked on archery even before hunting.
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So my first bow was a diamond bow tack That only lasted about
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three months. And then I said.
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No, no, I meant for more. No, it was just, I would say
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like you don't stop eating. Too.
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No, I would say I learned really fast at shooting and got decent
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at shooting pretty quickly. You know, I like I just didn't
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suck. And so we switched the bow up.
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To my elite that I had for the last seven years and that was
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what I shot my first year with. So I think I got more so hooked
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on shooting 1st and then the thought of being able to shoot
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something accurately with my bow that was enticing.
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And then just that I'm not one of those ones that can stay calm
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and the tree stand like you can the tunnel vision starts and
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like that ability to try to fight like feeling like you're
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going to pass out in the stand and like keeping your eyes
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focused without like I mean it's legit tunnel vision like my eyes
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go white and just like it narrows in on what I'm looking
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at not in like a binocular way and like I'm going to pass out
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way. So being able to try to fight
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that and like. Be successful was like what just
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kept me like going back to my tree stand and then like I said,
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eventually got into also running, running dogs, which is
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a whole different game in itself.
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Yeah, that that. I didn't know that was a thing
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for anything. But like bears and mountain
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lions, I've never heard about this for deer hunting.
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So that was crazy to tell when you told me about that.
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And I don't think a lot of people who like Hunt where like
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how I do even know that's a thing.
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So maybe dive into that a little bit and.
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Well, I think what's what's interesting though is that
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because I am, when I ran dogs for a couple years with the
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people that I knew don't anymore, obviously, and a lot of
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people who hunt more so like I or you do that either sit trees
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or, you know, spot and stalk or whatnot, really hate dog
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runners. Paid him with a passion.
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We talked about with the Elizabeth a little bit.
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No, we weren't there. We talked over lunch one day,
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but I don't have that. And maybe it's because I
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experienced it and not just one try and done.
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I really experienced it and I have no hatred towards dog
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runners. I think it is a cool thing to
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do. I think it's a cool thing to
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experience, even if you're never going to do it again.
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But basically what it is is. You load up your dogs.
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Typically you'll have like a built some sort of built dog box
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in the back of your car. If you're really nice, you also
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have water tanks attached so you know you can water your dogs
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throughout the day. So again, it's humane.
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The dogs are not out there dying of, you know, dehydration or
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heat. You pull them off the, you know,
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a track. If you need to put them back in
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there to rest, cool down, Drink water.
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And you can put another dog out. So you go out, you look for
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tracks in the morning, kind of think about what looks freshest
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crossing the road. And then what you'll do is
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typically take one of your best dogs out with the best nose, I
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mean by that. And you'll put them out on the
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track to kind of start. And if he's really hot on it,
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meaning he's really barking or he's taken to it and going into
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the woods, that's when you'll release the rest of your dogs,
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however many you want to put out on it.
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And those dogs will just keep running and you'll have AGPS
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collar on them or some sort of like antenna collar.
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Sometimes you have both as a backup system if one dies and
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you'll follow them and you'll hunt with a hunting party.
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And so where we hunt you typically kind of know the
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blocks or the roads within the the forest and if you're good
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and the parties you're with is are good, then you're kind of
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going to know those. Crossing points that deer would
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most likely come out on. And you're going to put trucks
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in those different locations. And then you kind of just stand
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and wait and you're hoping that you're in the lucky spot that
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the deer is going to come out on.
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And you're going to watch on the GPS, this deer do this and this
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and this as the dogs are following the trail.
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And eventually you'll start to hear and get closer and closer
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and then you'll start to actually hear the deer running.
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And that's where you kind of get ready.
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You have your shotgun out. Still unsafe until that deer.
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Crosses, you know the road and that's that.
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Once he crosses the road and it's a safe spot for you to
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shoot, you're going to try to shoot that deer.
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And nine times out of 10 the deer is going to go down.
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Your dogs are going to follow it till you know they find the deer
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and you're going to go in and you're going to harvest that
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deer and that's dog running. It's pretty simple, but it's a
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lot of high energy. When you are running one, it's a
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lot of low energy. When you can't get your dogs to
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follow us, then. But it's fun.
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It's fun. Sport.
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No, I would imagine most of the shots that you're getting are
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pretty close range generally like well, like 10 to 30 yards
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or what? Yeah, I I I mean, I've never
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shot at anything like Peru than that running gear.
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I'd want almost like jump on top of me once.
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Because the idea is, is that, like, you can hear the dogs and
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you can when you hear them coming, you can kind of work
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your way up the road, walking like you want to.
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Make sure the car's shut off in advance, turn the CD radios down
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or whatever you're using to chit chat.
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But you want to make sure that you're not making any noise
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because you're going to deter that deer from coming out.
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And then you just work towards the sound.
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So if you hear them paralleling the road, you're walking,
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paralleling the road too. And then?
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And then that's that. So yeah, you obviously like
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can't hunt on like highways or paved roads and whatnot.
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Like that's when you just have to give up.
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Essentially, you need to go out one.
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It's not even just because you can't do it.
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Like you invest so much time and money into these dogs.
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Like they're not for some people, maybe they're just their
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hunting dog. For me, like those dogs were my
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like alley cans, like my pets and so.
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Your biggest first concern is safety because if they come out
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on the road those dogs do not care if they are not going to
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give up the scent and they will run back and forth across that
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road until they pick the scent back up and will more than
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likely get hit by a car. So your first goal is to go out
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there and save them from crossing a highway or Rd., paved
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Rd. But otherwise dirt roads, you
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know, and public land is varying.
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Interesting. Yeah, I know it is.
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It's wild. It's wild that that's a real
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thing. Like I said, I didn't even know.
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So it's, it's cool to hear about.
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Yeah. And interesting.
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So you got a deer with a rifle. The first one you talked about
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was that with a rifle. No, my first deer was with a
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bow. First one.
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That's awesome. Wow.
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Yeah. I've only ever shot one with not
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including running dogs. I think I've only shot 2.
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Brittany Dogs One was actually a a pairage kill I would say with
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Brittany, that's one that's broke I think broken in half up
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there on one of the shelves. Shelves.
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Yeah, that's the word I want shelves.
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Is shelves a real word? SHELFSI think it's.
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I know it's shelves. It's spelled with AV, but a lot
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of people say shelves. But anyways, both might be
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words. I'm not sure.
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I don't know. Shelves for sure is.
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I think shelves is also a It may be a word.
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I'm not entirely positive, but I think it might be.
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Yeah, two, I think with shotgun, one team takedown, only one with
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a rifle. It was a doe.
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She was actually pregnant. We actually brought her to the
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you say so much so they can't put in there.
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Why It was completely legal. You can't tell a doe is
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pregnant. Yes you can.
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I'm telling you you can. The deer was.
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What's another word for pregnant?
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Does your with child maybe just omit that part?
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No, that's a cool part of the story.
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So it was she was completely out of season.
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Rut. I don't know post Rut.
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She shouldn't have been with children, but she was.
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And so we sent pictures of them to the biologist and she studied
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them. She's like, well, luckily they
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weren't bucks. So you know, I did the world a
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favor 2 less does in the world. But anyways, that was with a
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rifle on WMA, which is wildlife management areas in Florida.
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Seminole Forest. Other than that one rifle,
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everything else has been with my bow.
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Yeah. How many?
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How many deer have you got with a bow?
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Gosh, it's hard to count any of those spikes out there.
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So that's two or three spikes I have out there.
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The little ones, maybe, I'm not sure.
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Two or three plus my six point, then the big one you got.
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Then the big one and the Coos. Deer and the Oh yeah, Kentucky
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and then the Coos. So four or five with my bow.
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I'm leaning towards 5 because I think I'm probably forgetting
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dose Roger that. So what about what?
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What about that big one you got in in in Kansas?
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That was Kentucky. Kentucky.
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I don't know. Yeah, they want to lose in
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Kansas, so wants to offer all these things.
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I'll take a trip. They all run together for me.
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What about that one? Oh.
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Yeah, I got a doe and a buck the same night in Kentucky
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back-to-back. That was probably the funnest
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thing I've ever done prior to spot and stock hunting.
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That was cold. I sat a spot a couple of times
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and didn't see anything and moved to a field that was on
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private. Property though, it's kind of
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like a girls trip that she did annually and chose a different
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set of girls every year. And so Brittany had went the
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year before and shot her Kentucky buck.
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And then I got to go the next year and ended up deciding to
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switch tree stands and went to a different one.
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And I could hear him behind me to my right.
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And sure as anything, I just see him kind of Was that like a
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pinch point or crossing point in the roads?
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So like a paved trail, like home roads or not roads or trails.
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And he came out of the, the, the forest and just went up to the
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trail, started, you know, raking a tree and waited for him to
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stop breaking the tree. And he was broadside.
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And I shot him and he wheeled backwards and ran about 20 yards
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and I could see him go down right on the edge of the road,
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so I could still see him. And then a doe came out right
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behind him, literally went and sniffed the same tree that he
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was just raking about 10 minutes earlier.
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Shot the doe in the exact same spot.
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She ran the other way, continued down the trail.
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She died about 40 yards. She ran into the trees a little
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bit. And so then I sat there, 'cause
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I was waiting for everything to calm down.
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And then? Sure as anything you wish you
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always had more than, you know the tags that you have.
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But a monster came out probably double the size of the Kentucky
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buck that I have, came out and did the same exact thing and I
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had to let him walk because I had filled all of my tags for
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the trip in that one sit. So then luckily the person who
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helped manage their property offered to let me go hunt his
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property. So I went and sat.
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Very fancy. I don't even know what you call
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them. They're like.
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Tripods, but then it's a blind up in the air.
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It's like none of those big hard plastic ones because it snows
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and gets cold there and they have heaters and chairs and
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that. It's very nice.
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Someone said that, saw some doughs and whatnot but wasn't
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going to shoot a dough. And yeah, that was Kentucky.
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I absolutely love Kentucky. I think it's a beautiful state.
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I would live there. I would retire there, sat in the
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middle of nowhere. There's wonderful minus the
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snow. Does it snow a lot there?
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In. In certain parts, Yeah.
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Yeah. Interesting.
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All right, so that's pretty cool. 22 deer in the same day is
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pretty, pretty awesome. I seen those videos on YouTube
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where guys in like Atlanta will get like 5 those in the same
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sits. Oh yeah.
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They have, like coals, though, essentially because there's too
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many deer. Yeah, it's wild.
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I couldn't. It's just so much different than
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what I'm used to where you get like 1 tag, you know, it's a lot
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different, but really cool. All right?
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And then, you know, you went to, you know, you went over and
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haunted out West, gave that a try.
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You got the Coos deer. What was that like, you know,
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coming not, you know not doing something like that to do in
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that. Like what was that adjustment
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like? Or just like the the experience
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of showing up for the first time?
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Well, I think it's probably in one of the maybe the Arizona
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video from last year and you kind of talked about it, but you
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and Matt put me through the ringer the first day.
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What did we do? Is it 15?
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I don't know. It was a lot, yeah.
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It was 12. Somewhere between 12 and 18
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miles is what I remember, and that was a lot.
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I've learned to stay upright for the most part on mountains now,
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but I probably took like 50 spills that trip.
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Cactus cert. I love cactus cacti, but other
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desert plants I hate, I've learned that.
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But ultimately, just obviously night and day different from
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Easter hunting, you know you don't have the topography on the
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east for the most part that you do vastly on the West.
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So really spot and stop in most areas is going to be your best
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bet. The coups of that one was a
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little different, like we had spotted him and then had the
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ability to be able to. Take the Ranger closer and then
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get out and stock in. I'd say there were stocks that
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you and I did that were much more challenging as far as
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climbing things goes, but it's just different because like, you
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know your heart's racing when you're in your tree stand, but
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then add the, you know, out of breath.
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If you were hiking up, you know straight up a mountain like the
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one Coos that we went in for you, or like having to sit there
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for 2 1/2 hours knowing that you know the Bucky wants only 200
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yards away and you can't just walk into it.
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I've never realized how much wind plays a factor.
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Like I don't know what it, what it was, maybe it's just that
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Florida there's some a lot of wind or something, I don't know.
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But it never bothered me. Like I never felt like I needed
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to try winding dust in my stand or like turn my stand a
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different direction cause the wind was coming from behind.
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Or with a climber, you know, you just pick it up and back around
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the tree. But never felt like I needed to
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do it as much here. If I were to sit a tree, it
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would play a big factor in where I am so.
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Just completely different. Everything about it, style, the
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amount of energy it takes, the type of knowledge you need to
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have. Not that you have to have more
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in one or the other, but it's just a completely different set
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of knowledge. Yeah, definitely different.
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And you know, it's a lot more. I just feel like when you're
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when you're ground level with the animal and trying to move,
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there's so many more variables than sitting which.
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Is for sure you're 20 feet up in a tree.
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Like, I'm not saying it's easy and they can still.
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I mean, I'm sure it's probably happened to you.
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It's happened to you before. When you just get this, you
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know, they're staring right at you.
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You can still get busted in a tree, but like, I think it's
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just so much easier to get busted.
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When you're at eye level with them, well plus what you
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mentioned too, like the physicality is obviously a lot
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different. You know it's just it's
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different. But what now that you've kind of
24:43
done both styles a bit, is there like, is there one that you
24:47
prefer or a style of hunting that you kind of like prefer if
24:50
you had the choice? I would prefer spot and stock
24:56
for sure. I think it's way more
24:57
exhilarating. Obviously, like you are stalking
25:00
after an animal, every little thing and movement and breath
25:05
you take where you step makes a difference whether you're going
25:09
to harvest or not harvest this animal.
25:12
But I'd like to say I think that because I'm like impatient and I
25:18
think maybe it's faster to get something spawn stock, but
25:20
that's not really true. I feel like that's a, what do
25:23
you call it? Like a myth or a oxymoron.
25:27
Like, it's not faster to get something spot in stock.
25:30
Could he maybe have more opportunities because you can
25:33
glass miles on end if you're in the right area and go on
25:37
multiple stocks a day? Sure.
25:39
But if you're moving too quickly because oop, I saw a buck, let
25:43
me go. Oop, I saw a buck, let me go.
25:46
You're more likely to bust them out and then have to repeat that
25:50
cycle and over and over again. And still end up not getting
25:54
something just as much as sitting a tree.
25:56
So it takes, I think, just as much patience to do both because
26:02
we've explained this like I wanted that Coos up on that
26:07
mountain in Arizona. And both you and Ted told me,
26:10
like, I think when we packed up, you guys both made sure to tell
26:14
you like, you understand why we're not going after that one,
26:16
right? Because the reality is, not
26:19
every buck is in an approachable spot.
26:22
Yeah, most aren't. Yeah, most aren't.
26:25
It's really. But if you don't spook them,
26:27
like, what you've taught me is that there's a very good chance
26:31
he's going to be in the area tomorrow.
26:33
Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.
26:35
I think that I see a couple really, really common mistakes
26:39
when I go, like, stalking with people for their first time or
26:42
even guys who've stalked a lot but, like, maybe aren't, like
26:45
the best at it. People always go way too fast.
26:51
I constantly have to slow people down when I'm going with them,
26:55
go slower, go slower. Like you got to creep along.
26:59
Unless it's a time that calls for speed, but that's pretty
27:02
uncommon. Most of the time you want to go
27:03
real, real slow. And also another big mistake is
27:07
I think a lot of people, when they glass something up, they
27:12
just go, oh, I got to go right now, I see something, I got to
27:14
go after them right now. But in reality, you'd be better
27:18
off watching them for an extended period of time and
27:21
really having a good, solid game plan to put in an effective
27:25
stock, not a quick stock. So like take your time, make
27:29
sure it's proper to even go, and then once you go, know that
27:33
this, your first chance is going to be your best chance to get it
27:36
done. So make sure you try not to
27:38
rush, don't get too excited, do anything rational and if it's
27:42
not panning out when you're in there and you go I'm at 150,
27:45
there's no way I can get to 50 just back out or or sit down and
27:49
wait and see what happens. But a lot of people push too
27:53
hard and are too aggressive, and this leads to a tremendous
27:57
amount of blown stocks that. Was like the one we did earlier
28:01
this year. And we probably could have
28:07
waited another day. Seen him again in the same spot,
28:12
but I said no, let's go. Turns out we got down there and
28:15
walked through about 500 yards of straight bushes of poison
28:21
oak. I didn't get hammered with
28:23
poison oak though, which is I. Surprisingly, didn't either.
28:25
Yeah, it was very surprising. That was nice though.
28:28
It was a nice little surprise. Fresh, ripe, very ripe Euro
28:35
shell on the on that oak but. Yeah, I went in there and
28:39
couldn't see. And I'm going to need you to
28:43
open my beef jerky. Well that's another thing too is
28:45
you know your terrain and your your size like all so many
28:49
factors play into it but like you know certain stocks that
28:52
might work for me, you know at my height 6 feet you know what
28:56
I'm saying? It might not work for you at 5
28:59
feet you know. So it's like important to know
29:03
your size like your skill set too and like adjust.
29:08
Not everyone can hunt or approach something the same way.
29:12
So it's like you got to be self aware and also not be too
29:18
arrogant to if something's like you can't do it or it's a very,
29:21
very low chance that you can to sit, sit, sit the play out.
29:27
And I think if you can learn to do that and be OK with it, live
29:32
to fight another day, I think people's chances would increase
29:36
a lot. Yeah, well, that's what you
29:38
know. So I hate to ever be like, oh, I
29:41
hate that hunters do this or whatnot.
29:43
I like how people hate on dog runners or, you know, another
29:45
style of hunting or whatnot. But that is the one thing I
29:50
think I have learned to be the most patient with and understand
29:55
is that. I'm 51.
30:00
I can add as much poundage as I want to my bow, but at the end
30:04
of the day my draw is 24 1/2 inches so I naturally am not
30:10
going to be able to shoot as far as you or someone 6 foot tall
30:15
who has a 30 inch draw plus can draw £75.
30:19
And you hear people talk about how, oh, I just.
30:25
You know, I launched one out there.
30:27
I threw it out there like, you know, oh, I hit it in the ass.
30:31
But it's OK. When is that OK?
30:35
You know, like we want hunting to be around for as long as it
30:41
can possibly be around, but when you tell stories like that,
30:46
you're creating a narrative for people to use against you and
30:52
the community. Or not you, and specifically,
30:55
but you know what I mean? That's one of those things and
30:59
can get me on a soapbox because I can't stand when I hear
31:02
stories like that. But you know, it is what it is.
31:05
But I I do think that everybody should know what their realistic
31:10
limit is for shooting when they go out into the field.
31:14
And then it changes. Like with wind versus no wind.
31:18
What's, you know, realistically an ethical shot for you.
31:23
Like I knew on the elk hunt, realistically 40 yards was going
31:28
to be it for me to be able to feel comfortable that I would
31:33
get enough penetration to be able to ethically harvest
31:37
something. Could I shoot further than that?
31:41
Accurately? Yes.
31:43
But should you do it to harvest an animal?
31:46
No. So just because someone can
31:48
shoot their target bow to 100 or 120 yards, does that mean you
31:51
should launch an arrow at 100 yards to an animal?
31:55
No. But that's anyway soapbox
31:58
jumping off of it. Now that's just one thing you
32:00
said and made me think of that. So, well, I mean, you know, to
32:04
touch on that a little bit, you said, you know, elk hunting.
32:07
I was 40 was my Max. And I can shoot further.
32:10
Yeah, you can shoot further on flat ground at 0 elevation.
32:14
Not winded, you know, with perfect conditions.
32:18
Your feet are on flat ground, the target's on flat ground.
32:21
But could you shoot that same distance that you can shoot
32:24
practice in down a steep hill next to trees, You're winded,
32:30
you know, it's the elevation's higher.
32:32
It's like, there's so many factors.
32:35
But yeah, effective range is super important.
32:37
This is something I've talked about for years is like, know
32:39
your effective range. And you know, a test I like to
32:43
do is set out a regular paper plate.
32:45
And if you could put 9 out of 10 arrows in the plate at a given
32:49
yardage to me, that's in your effective range in those
32:53
conditions, right? So for me that might be 80
32:57
yards, for you that might be 40. So for someone else that might
33:00
be 20. But it's important I think to
33:02
know that and do those tests so that way you you can do the
33:05
shots that are ethical for you. Because some people are better
33:10
shooter, some are worse shooters, so their effective
33:12
ranges are not the same. So some people be like Oh no
33:15
Archer should shoot past 30 yards and or or they'll say you
33:20
don't ever, you know, just launch it like you said.
33:23
But I think it's it's it's an individual topic.
33:27
It's not it's not a it's not a one-size-fits-all and equipment
33:32
factors into that too what what's even possible but yeah
33:37
really important and and then another thing I wanted to touch
33:42
on we we touched on the elk hunt a little bit.
33:45
I don't think we really need to dive in there too much, but I
33:48
was curious what, you know, just generally being a hunter, as you
33:54
have been for seven or eight years or whatever it is, how do
33:59
you feel like being a woman, like an attractive woman?
34:03
Also, in hunting or in archery, do you feel you get kind of like
34:10
maybe judged or looked at differently than like me as a
34:13
dude, would you say and if so, how?
34:17
Disclaimer, I am not a feminist disclaimer.
34:23
I'm not a feminist. With that said, yes, I do.
34:30
I know everybody hates to hear things like that, like, oh,
34:34
you're just saying that because you're a female or or whatnot.
34:39
But and it goes both ways. You got males, You say, oh,
34:43
you're just, you know, getting the attention because you're a
34:46
female. Or, you know, vice versa.
34:48
You have women hating on you and saying like, oh, you know.
34:52
People only like these videos because you're good looking.
34:57
Well, no, I think there's some success in what I can do.
35:00
I'm not sitting there Tooting my own horn.
35:02
You've seen me get mad when I go to shoots.
35:05
That's a bad habit I have and I will work myself into shooting
35:09
poorly because I get mad at how I shoot.
35:12
But I'm out there doing it. Yeah, I just.
35:18
I think the sport, the sport short.
35:20
Sport. Sport.
35:24
I think the sport should be equal no matter what.
35:26
I don't think that you know, you need to fit a stereotype of, you
35:32
know, being a hillbilly woman because which is fine too, by
35:38
the way. Absolutely is.
35:39
How many times do you catch me? Sorry, do you catch me wearing
35:42
shoes outside in San Diego where I could step on the needle and
35:46
get a disease any day of the week?
35:49
I am. Not the most feminine lady in
35:52
the world, but because I choose to put makeup on sometimes,
35:57
because that just makes me feel good about myself and I like it.
36:04
Then it's like, oh, you're getting dolled up for the camera
36:07
or, you know, oh, you're wearing a tank top.
36:10
I'm sorry. I don't know.
36:11
We'll just give you cancel. I'm sorry my boobs aren't
36:13
smaller, you know. Just because they're not flat
36:18
chested, that means I can't wear a tank top.
36:22
So, like, how conservative does that sound?
36:28
You know, so only women who don't have boobs are allowed to
36:31
wear tank tops, but women who do have them should cover them up.
36:36
I'm sorry, I don't want a farmer's tan.
36:38
Or I'm sorry, I don't want to sweat and smell like a.
36:42
Butthole like Elvis sometimes. Like, why is it fair that
36:47
because I have them, I should have to wear an oversized shirt?
36:51
I just explained the logic to me.
36:54
And if, like, I can't, even. There's many ways people could
36:57
think about it. But like, you know, Oh well,
37:00
it's not fair for you to, you know, be able to show them off
37:03
to get more views than somebody who doesn't have them.
37:07
Well, I'm sorry man, but if that's the case, then maybe you
37:09
should stop looking at thumbnails with boobs in them.
37:12
Like, well, it's also kind of goofy too, because like if if
37:17
the argument that some people make is like, oh, you know
37:20
you're doing this for attention, it's like, well, you're also
37:25
commenting, saying that, so are you doing that for attention?
37:28
But also, like, do you, are you doing something because you want
37:34
attention or because you are passionate about it and want to
37:39
get better? Or like, actually are good at
37:43
something and post up results? So, like, some people might hit
37:47
me with that and say, oh, you know, you're always filming
37:49
stuff. You just love attention.
37:51
OK, well, whatever. Yeah, sure, it's probably
37:53
somewhat true. You know, I think that's
37:55
probably true for anyone, whether they say it or not.
37:57
But. Especially in the production
37:59
world. But The thing is, it's like, no,
38:02
I I'm actually posting up results year after year after
38:06
year for decades. You know, it's like does that
38:10
just garner some attention on its own?
38:12
Regardless of what you look like, I think the the, the, the
38:16
success in anything, whether you're really good at tennis or
38:20
really good at golf, you're probably going to get attention
38:23
for just being successful at those things.
38:26
Yeah. Now can you shortcut it?
38:29
I suppose you can, and that's a. Lot.
38:31
And lots of people say women do because, oh, you know, your
38:35
channel or wouldn't be so big, or you wouldn't have as many
38:38
followers or you wouldn't get as many, you know, product deals if
38:42
you weren't a female. That's probably true.
38:46
It probably is. But there's nothing wrong with
38:48
that though, because people have to think about it too, from a a
38:51
brand's perspective, right? If that's what.
38:54
You're full. Well, if that's what you want is
38:57
sponsorships, right? I've been down that road before
39:00
bike and I, you know, you tried to talk me into it all the time.
39:03
I don't really have an interest in doing sponsorship deals.
39:06
I I, I've done it before, don't really want to do it again.
39:09
And we may, you know, you might talk me into it, but it's not
39:12
something that like really calls out to me, right?
39:16
But for some people that's like their entire goal is to get
39:20
deals. And if it is, you're very smart
39:24
to get higher numbers, because then you're more likely to get
39:28
the deals that you want to get. So if you're complaining about
39:31
not having sponsors, but you're intentionally not doing things
39:36
that will help you get more viewership, then you're
39:39
literally just shooting yourself.
39:41
But I'm going to put a disclaimer on that.
39:43
Your own goal. I'm not saying that a woman and
39:48
now you could have been talking about anybody, but I was, yeah,
39:50
because we went down this road because of being a female.
39:53
But. I'm not saying that you because
39:55
you're a female, you're doing yourself much.
39:58
You see this thing? It's just, it's dripping all
40:00
over the place. I'm not saying you're doing
40:02
yourself a disjustice or injustice because you don't put
40:07
on makeup or wear tight fitting clothes or what.
40:09
I'm not saying that. What Just don't?
40:11
Complain about Yeah, But what I'm saying is don't hate on the
40:14
people who do. I don't have to wear baggy
40:17
hunting clothes. Personally, I think it's
40:19
uncomfortable. And when you're wearing baggy
40:22
clothes as A51 sized person and you try to take a step up a
40:27
mountain and your knee gets stuck on where the kneecap
40:30
should be, but it's not because your pants are too big.
40:34
I think that's a horrible decision.
40:36
I'm going to wear stuff that's fitting, so I feel comfortable
40:40
when I'm hiking 12 miles a day. It's just, you know, and you
40:45
can't say I do it all the time. See, there are plenty of videos
40:48
out there. Go find them, that I don't have
40:50
eyelashes on or I don't have makeup on or I didn't do my hair
40:55
that day or I wore a sweater. So it's just, I just wish people
41:02
would just be happy for watching the content.
41:06
You'll like it or you don't like it, but at least from my
41:11
perspective, I don't put on a tank top just to get views.
41:16
If you check out my following on Instagram, it's not giant.
41:20
Granted it's grown through you, but it's not giant.
41:23
So it's if you know, if it were, you'd see me out there posting,
41:27
you know, one to two posts a day in a story, a day, constantly in
41:31
a tank top shooting and short shorts or jeans, shorts that are
41:34
ripped and, you know, wild stuff.
41:37
But I don't do that. I barely post as it is.
41:40
Last one was probably about three weeks ago to a month did.
41:43
You just look at your wrist. I did, Yeah, that's my fake
41:45
clock. I do that regularly.
41:48
But you know, just like the content for what it is or don't
41:51
like it if you don't. And I'm not telling you, you got
41:53
freedom of speech. So I can't speak.
41:56
Comment on what you thought you want to comment on, but don't
42:01
hate on people because they're pretty.
42:03
Don't bash people if you think they're not just like the
42:07
content or don't like the content.
42:09
Yeah, I mean, it's free too. Like, you know, the videos on
42:12
YouTube are free. And like, like you said, I mean,
42:16
there's so many people that make videos and anything you want to
42:20
watch literally just today is on YouTube watching videos about
42:24
how to fix a dishwasher. You know, like there's plenty of
42:27
videos. So if you don't want to watch
42:30
motorcycles, that's fine. But some people, it's actually a
42:34
fact if you go read about it. If you, like, are a hater,
42:38
you'll actually watch the content more religiously because
42:42
it's like, oh, I got to watch it.
42:44
Yeah, but it's a real thing and I think that, you know, put a
42:49
bow on it a little bit. It's it's important to notice
42:52
who trolls are, who the haters are, because usually it's
42:56
someone with 0 posts or a private page with like 4
43:01
followers that are probably just miserable or.
43:05
There's it. It's my point is like you don't
43:09
see winners leaving hate comments or like people out
43:12
there who are supportive of others leaving hate comments or
43:15
or talking shit behind your back.
43:17
You just, that doesn't happen when you're like trying to
43:20
accomplish your own goals, whatever that is.
43:22
You know, because you're trying to support.
43:26
It's not just a single person. You're just supporting a
43:29
community, whether that's a hunting community, a sporting
43:31
community, a, you know, acting community, whatever the
43:34
community is, you're just trying to be supportive to continue,
43:39
you know, it being there. It goes back to like, not
43:43
wanting to get the community cancelled because you're telling
43:46
bad stories about shooting things, you know, in the ass or
43:48
something. Like just want to be supportive.
43:51
Now, not saying be supportive of someone doing something really
43:55
heinous or stupid that does give the sport a bad name, but you
44:01
know, it's like if people want to hate on you for putting
44:05
females in thumbnails, well, if we added them all up, honestly,
44:08
it's about 3% of the thumbnails. I kind of want to do the math
44:12
after this and find out how many actions.
44:15
I don't know. You had, how many, you know,
44:17
videos prior to two years ago. Two years ago, I think was like
44:21
your first. You had Jenna right and a TAC
44:25
video shout out to her and you had the channel three years
44:29
before that. So I would be sure to say it's
44:34
not, it's less than 10%. Well, plus, like I always talk
44:38
about, I mean that. Having the females in in the
44:42
videos and in the thumbnails has increased the female viewership
44:46
viewership, which I think is really, really cool and actually
44:49
like motorcycles.com does pretty good with people with females
44:53
buying merch or straps or whatever.
44:56
I mean, I told you, you've seen it when like, I had a woman come
44:59
up last year, maybe it was this year, I don't remember come up
45:02
from Australia that said, you know, I bought the Eva Shocky
45:06
because I watched one of your videos or, you know, you see the
45:09
comments and it's like it's inspirational as a female to
45:14
see, again, not a feminist, but what a sport is primarily
45:17
dominated by men. And it's not that you want to be
45:21
the most competitive. Like, I know I have learned to
45:25
accept the fact that, like in hunting situations at least,
45:29
like could I always get better at Target shooting?
45:32
I'm sure plenty of women could be a man, a man at Target
45:36
shooting. I'm sure it happens.
45:37
I personally don't enjoy like target shooting for competition.
45:41
But could I do it? Sure.
45:43
Could I get better? Sure.
45:44
But do I know that in a hunting situation like my shot, you
45:49
know, my yardage is always going to be different from yours?
45:53
Yes, like it's just a factor of my physical being.
45:57
But it's inspiring to see women or husbands in comments who say,
46:02
like, you know, I'm going to buy my wife a bow after this, or a
46:07
woman who comments and say, like, I I went out and got a bow
46:10
after watching this. Or like, it's good to know that
46:14
there's a bow out there for short females.
46:18
Like, just good to know you're growing the female community of
46:23
the sport. But I would love to see more
46:26
women do it, especially kids. Like, I think it's great to get
46:29
them outdoors and like doing something that's not playing a
46:31
video game. Yeah, I mean, you get comments
46:35
like that all the time. It's really cool.
46:37
Same with kids, too. A lot of kids like to watch the
46:40
channel, and I'm proud of that. And also proud of the women
46:45
watching, which is, you know, a lot because of you, obviously,
46:49
and Whitney and Jenna or whoever else has been in the videos.
46:54
Rebecca, I don't want to forget any girls.
46:55
I'm sure I did. But shout out to all the girls,
46:58
Krista. Yeah, I mean, there's been a
47:00
bunch, right? And they all.
47:03
All the all the women I just named like it's cool because not
47:08
only do all of you guys shoot bows, but you all hunt too.
47:13
Other than Caitlin, I think has never haunted, but I know she'd
47:16
love to. All those other girls are like
47:18
actual hunters. Because you know what I love
47:20
about I don't think I ever thought about anything literally
47:23
right now. So if you look at every single
47:26
one of those women, every single one of them is vastly different,
47:31
Whether it's the type of job they do, whether it's if they're
47:34
girly or not, girly or more of a tomboy or haunted more, haunted
47:38
less or vastly different jobs. I don't know if I said that one
47:41
or not, but like, we're all extremely different.
47:45
Like, again, I think that's a testament of like, why should we
47:50
shit on the fact that there are females in thumbnails?
47:54
What we should be doing is excited to see that, like
47:59
anybody can do the sport. You don't have to be a cowboy to
48:04
shoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:07
And I I agree with that. I used to always say that, like,
48:11
our channel was cool because, you know, it's OK that that the
48:17
joke is, is like, if you could, you can listen to Drake and be a
48:20
hunter. You don't have to listen to, you
48:23
know. Waylon Jennings only, which I I
48:26
like both of them, right? But it's OK to like.
48:29
That's fine, right? But like you, you don't have to
48:32
fit the same stereotype to be a hunter.
48:34
Anyone can be a hunter, and you know that.
48:38
Or or. Just or just Archer.
48:40
And this this one I I would love to touch on because some people
48:46
will be like, oh, you know why? Why are you guys just shooting
48:50
like playing beer pong like you shouldn't?
48:53
That's not good hunting. I'm like, well, we're not
48:55
hunting. Like, I it's not hunting season.
48:57
It's June and like, I'm playing with my buddies in the yard
49:01
where there's no danger. Like there's no one around.
49:04
Just our group. And it's a fun game.
49:07
You know how many people on TikTok and Instagram tag me that
49:10
they went and played after that? Like a whole bunch of people
49:13
loved it. It gives you something fun to
49:14
do, makes it more of a a social thing, you know, a marketing
49:18
event, a networking event. That's awesome.
49:21
But there's a difference between shooting your bow for fun and
49:26
when you're out hunting. It's it's different things.
49:28
But guess what? When you're shooting your bow
49:30
for fun more, you're going to be a better shooter, 'cause you're
49:34
shooting more when you go hunting.
49:37
So it's like it's so goofy to and there's like there's no
49:40
correlation to the fact that like say you do play archery,
49:44
beer pong. Does that directly correlate to
49:47
oh, you you drink when you go hunting?
49:49
No. No, I've never once drained.
49:53
I mean, it is like there is never a time in the middle of
49:58
the day between your morning and afternoon set that you pick up a
50:01
drink. Never.
50:02
I, in your schedule is a rock star in the morning, sometimes a
50:05
rock star in the afternoon before your afternoon hunt.
50:08
And then maybe it's a beer at dinner time.
50:11
Before bed. Yeah, yeah, it's.
50:13
So it's just a wild thought to even like think that the two
50:17
correlate together. Yeah I think I think the biggest
50:21
thing I've been seeing this a lot on on Cam Haines page is
50:25
like you know he'll kind of make like tongue in cheek jokes about
50:29
how like oh you know gotta love how supportive the the hunting
50:33
hunters are and he'll like post a screenshot of just like people
50:36
shitting on them which is that's.
50:39
That's that's not that fun for someone like him, you know, he's
50:43
given a ton of growth to the sport and got so many people
50:47
into it, and he's an elite hunter.
50:50
All he does is promote at living a healthy lifestyle, working
50:53
hard, being a good hunter, all positive things.
50:57
But because he's successful and has a big platform, people hate
51:01
on him, which is so goofy. Because if your goal is to.
51:05
Save hunting and have it be around in 100 years.
51:10
You need more people in it to sign your petitions and vote,
51:16
but then you're knocking the guys who get more people into
51:20
it. It doesn't make sense because if
51:22
the sport stays smaller then the odds of it getting eliminated
51:28
through legislation, which is very possible.
51:32
The odds go way up if there's less people to support it.
51:37
So you need the nucleus to grow. But then the people that are
51:42
jealous hate on the people who get the most people into it.
51:47
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
51:49
Yeah, but I think just hating on things in general doesn't make.
51:53
I don't. Doesn't make.
51:55
Sense. But I think ultimately it really
51:56
does come down to jealousy most of the time, but going back to
51:59
the women thing like. I think mostly, you know, I I
52:04
think that you, you know, you're people support you for the most,
52:07
like 95% probably or higher, which is like what I say, the
52:11
support that Bo disciples gets as well.
52:13
It's very high, but it's easy to focus on the 5% that are haters.
52:16
But of the people that you feel have, like treated you poorly,
52:22
'cause you're a girl, would you say that it's more men or more
52:26
women? Oh, that's a tough question.
52:36
Or equal My I would probably say equal.
52:42
And then what I think is more unfortunate than like directed
52:47
towards me is when I see women out there in the hunting
52:54
community. I guess I would say it's equal.
52:56
But what bothers me more, again, that's why I'm not feminist.
53:01
It's not men that say it that bothers me, It's women.
53:06
And I think, again, that stems from, I don't want to say
53:10
jealousy because again, I don't think I'm anything to be jealous
53:13
of, but it doesn't just happen to me.
53:17
It happens to other women too. But so it's when you see women,
53:20
whether big or small, in channels or popularity or
53:23
whatnot, hate on women who, you know, wear tight fitting clothes
53:29
or or put makeup on. And I'm like all you're doing is
53:36
shaming people out of wanting to do the sport.
53:40
Like why would any woman hate on another woman?
53:45
I'm going to be excited for anybody who goes out there and
53:48
picks up a bow or tries to shoot, or tries to go hunting in
53:51
whatever shape and form, whether that's a gun, rifle, shotgun,
53:54
dog running, still hunting, recurve bows, compound bows.
53:58
I don't care what you want to do.
54:01
If you go out and you have fun doing it, I don't give a flying
54:04
flip what you look like or how much makeup you put on that day.
54:07
If you get up early enough, which sometimes I struggle with,
54:10
and you want to put on your face before you go hunting, 'cause
54:13
you feel more comfortable, I'm going to set that alarm clock
54:17
for you, but I'm never going to hate on you for doing it.
54:20
So yeah, I think to answer your question, probably 5050 of which
54:27
ones do it most, I think typically how the comments will
54:31
go is like women will direct it directly to you.
54:36
Men will make it a consensus of like, you know, whoa, women
54:42
just, you know put their knockers out to get views or
54:46
something. But the one that bothers me most
54:52
is women doing it just because that.
54:55
Makes sense? Yeah, yeah, I know.
54:58
That makes a lot of sense. And like I said, I don't want to
55:01
harp on this and make it sound like there's like a ton of
55:03
haters, because there's really not.
55:05
Some people would like to make it seem that way, but it's just
55:07
that it's false. There's a ton of support, which
55:10
is really, really cool. And I think just what it shows
55:14
is passion for the sport and passion for what you or other
55:19
people like you do. So it comes off like, again,
55:23
like what I'm ranting about women or you know, putting on
55:25
makeup and things like that comes off like I've experienced
55:27
this a lot. Again, like you said, it's next
55:31
to nothing, whether it's comments or things like that.
55:35
But what I I think it seems like you know, you get more of it
55:44
than you really do because you're so passionate.
55:48
Where I am in that topic area, passionate about it, like there
55:53
would be nothing to talk about, to seem like there's issues in
55:57
the community if we just all supported ethical people.
56:04
Yeah, yeah, I. Mean.
56:05
That's the best way to put it, yeah.
56:06
However you want to hunt if you want to be.
56:09
A vacation hunter or go super hard or whatever.
56:12
All that's great. So long as you're doing things
56:14
legally and ethically. Then it's like however you want
56:17
to float your boat, go, go ahead.
56:19
You know, I'm going to say it's cool with me.
56:21
You know, I might like you and I might.
56:22
Not hunt with you, with you. Because maybe it's like I don't
56:25
want to vacation on. I want to go super hard, but
56:28
then they don't want to hunt with.
56:29
That's OK, but I still support them, want to hear their
56:31
stories. And yeah, do we, like, make,
56:34
like, jokes and jabs about, like, how we called it a
56:36
Princess palace? Like, did I bring a cot with a
56:39
foam mattress with my sleeping bag and a fan?
56:43
You know, battery operated and LED?
56:46
Yes, I brought all of that with me to go hunting.
56:49
But did I still show up every mostly every single day except
56:53
for two mornings? Couple times a couple it.
56:58
So not everyone has to hunt the same.
57:00
Would I still go out and do a backpacking trip and, you know,
57:04
strap everything to my back and go hike in and not come out for
57:06
a week? Abso freaking lutely.
57:09
But do you have to hunt that way?
57:11
No. Would I also go camp because we
57:13
do it too, And where I stay in a hotel because it makes the most
57:16
sense, Yes. So if you want to be a weekend
57:19
hunter and only have the weekends, not everybody's job
57:22
again, that's another one. Is the oh, you're lucky, you
57:26
know, whatever. Not all of us get that time, and
57:30
that is OK. Like, again, I think you make
57:34
the point all the time. Like, will you choose the job?
57:36
Yeah. Well, sometimes people like, for
57:38
whatever situation can't always choose the job.
57:41
They would want to be able to do their sport.
57:44
Now, could you, if you really wanted to, dump your life into,
57:46
like, there are people out there on YouTube who, like, lived in a
57:49
car for a while, so they didn't have bills, so they could, you
57:52
know, do their day job and go travel and hunt during hunting
57:56
seasons? Yeah, it's doable.
57:59
Do you have to do that? Absolutely not.
58:02
So if you like the job you have, you get satisfaction out of both
58:06
of them. Your world doesn't completely
58:08
revolve around hunting. Then what's wrong with being a
58:12
weekend warrior? Absolutely nothing.
58:15
I mean, life's about choices and doing things, you know, You make
58:18
choices that dictate where your life goes, what options you
58:21
have, and do you have a job that makes it capable of doing that.
58:26
I mean, you made your bed, so you got to sleep in it.
58:28
Whatever you chose to do, you know, you got to kind of, I
58:31
don't even like that saying, though, because that saying
58:33
sounds like it sounds negative. No.
58:35
Yeah, I don't. I don't mean the same way, but
58:38
it's just a saying. Yeah, yeah, I I I get what
58:41
you're saying. But like, I think that like that
58:43
saying once comes with a negative connotation.
58:45
Like you got to sleep your bed or you made your bed.
58:47
Now you get a lie in it or whatever, but it's just like you
58:57
can have you. This is a better one.
58:58
You can have your cake and eat it too, like if you like the job
59:02
that you have and it affords you the opportunity to still hunt
59:07
and make enough money to hunt and live.
59:10
Or do anything surf or what? A mountain bike.
59:12
I just talked about hunting because this, you know, hunting
59:14
archery is what we do, but you can do both.
59:21
Yeah. Oh, we got a growler.
59:22
So what would you say, what is the most positive thing you've
59:26
gained in your life from archery and or or hunting or boat?
59:33
Like whether it's like a a work ethic you've gained or some sort
59:38
of knowledge or whatever, whatever.
59:40
No, I would say yeah, there you go.
59:45
Not that because you said it, but I was trying to find a way
59:47
to pray, phrase it, which I would phrase as community.
59:53
I don't think many people. I call myself an extrovert,
59:57
introverted extrovert, extroverted introvert.
1:00:01
It is forced for me to be an extrovert, not forced.
1:00:06
It's just I have to really try to sit out there and talk to
1:00:11
strangers and be social. It's not that I don't like
1:00:15
talking to you. I have fun while I'm doing it.
1:00:18
It's just like. Maybe I got a slightly like
1:00:22
mental issue or something, but like, it's just like it takes
1:00:26
everything out of me to like create a conversation.
1:00:29
I feel very awkward trying to do it, like on my own side.
1:00:33
Not because I think the person's awkward or whatnot, they seem
1:00:36
very natural. I feel like I'm the most awkward
1:00:39
human being to talk to. So doing archery and hunting,
1:00:47
especially through this channel, like I've met Elizabeth on the
1:00:53
East Coast, you know, Whitney and then the people out here in
1:00:55
this community and Matt and Ted and Nick in Utah.
1:01:00
You know, being able to just like, call mom and be like, hey,
1:01:02
I need a place to stay, 'cause I, you know, I got another 8
1:01:04
hours to drive and they're like, absolutely come on over.
1:01:09
That's been, I think it's literally just the best part to
1:01:15
me because I, you know, don't like making lots of friends nor
1:01:20
do I have, like you know some people have like 20 of these
1:01:24
like very loose not close friends, but that they could
1:01:28
call and go and hang out with them.
1:01:30
I'm just not interested in that at all.
1:01:33
Like it's just not fun to me. Like you don't truly, I think
1:01:37
know those people well and sure maybe some of them do and that
1:01:40
is absolutely awesome if you do. But to feel like you have these,
1:01:43
like natural friends around the the country that you could just
1:01:49
call up or go hang out with or go spend a week with in another
1:01:52
state, very good for me, I think.
1:02:00
I think. I think mental health I think is
1:02:02
more important than if you could argue this one.
1:02:04
I think it's more important than physical health, because without
1:02:07
mental health, are you going to go out there and create physical
1:02:10
health? Probably not.
1:02:12
Yeah, I think, I think, I mean, I think that's a great one.
1:02:15
You know, a sense of acceptance or, you know, comfort or feeling
1:02:22
at home with people I think is really cool.
1:02:25
And I think that, you know, like you said, there's many people
1:02:29
you just named who now you, you know, you could reach out to for
1:02:33
help or for whatever you need, which is really, really cool.
1:02:37
And yeah, super blessed. That's one really cool part
1:02:40
about having the channel and having it continue to grow.
1:02:45
Jenna out there, Who's the, you know, sweetest sweetheart?
1:02:47
I love Jenna. You get her a crown the next
1:02:50
time you see her. I love Jenna.
1:02:51
I love her. So part of it I.
1:02:53
Love her so much, but yeah, I mean like all those people I
1:02:56
wouldn't have met if I wasn't doing the videos, probably
1:03:01
because, you know, by doing the videos it.
1:03:05
Just gives more excuses I guess to reach out to people and and
1:03:08
make connections and they all have happened real organically
1:03:12
How I Met all all the all those people.
1:03:14
So it's really cool that not only are those my friends but
1:03:17
are also yours and and that's really, really cool and I think
1:03:21
yeah, I I love that aspect. I'm really grateful to have
1:03:27
built a platform that I think is is a community builder for sure.
1:03:32
I actually I know that it is. And I'm really proud of that and
1:03:35
I think that it's neat because so many people message me from
1:03:40
all over the world and I always message back by a little
1:03:43
conversation or whatever and I think that's super neat.
1:03:46
And you wouldn't have that without, you know, Archery and
1:03:51
hunting and and and the channel for that matter.
1:03:53
So it's really cool and I think this podcast, Studio Two is
1:03:56
actually going to continue to grow that because you know,
1:04:00
we'll have. Sometimes there will be four of
1:04:02
us in here, other times there will be two or three or
1:04:05
whatever. And I think that all those,
1:04:08
although you're filming and putting out content of it,
1:04:11
you're also just in these conversations learning about one
1:04:15
another as well and growing those relationships deeper and
1:04:18
same with with the audience by doing these.
1:04:20
So I think that's really cool and we're going to keep keep
1:04:23
doing it. Thanks for coming on the show.
1:04:29
Appreciate you coming on the show.
1:04:30
So how we thank you for coming on the show.
1:04:33
You've been the best guest that there could possibly be, buddy.
1:04:37
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