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CHARLIE KIRK KILLER DEATH PENALTY, FAMILY FEUD OVER MALE "LOVER" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The Charlie Kirk killer suspect death penalty announced.
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Speaker 1: This as a.
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Speaker 2: Family feud emerges over the suspect's male lover. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Tyler James Ronson Cala one as you made of murder
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Speaker 3: can two fellow discharged the fire arm causing serious fility injury.
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Speaker 3: I am finally a notice.
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Speaker 4: Of intent to see the death tactic because the fat
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Speaker 4: his belief believed to have target and Charlie Kirk based
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Speaker 4: on Charlie Urg's political expression and then so knowing the
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Speaker 4: children were present and.
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Speaker 1: We witnessed the second death penalty is the death penalty?
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Speaker 1: Is the death penalty. They loaded him up. That's right.
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Speaker 2: With so many alternative counts, it will be hard for
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Speaker 2: a jury to find him not guilty.
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Speaker 3: Listen, I am filing a criminal information Jurny Tyler James Robinson,
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Speaker 3: age twenty.
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Speaker 5: Two with the following crime.
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Speaker 6: Cal one hag remated murder a.
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Speaker 3: Calital events or intentionally we're knowingly causing the death and
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Speaker 3: Charlie heard under circumstances they created a great.
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Speaker 6: Risk of death to others.
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Speaker 3: Count two fellay discharge of the fighter arm causing serious
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Speaker 3: fody injury, a first degree.
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Speaker 1: FELA legal term. They ain't playing.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we're learning in the courtroom. Straight out to Randolph
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Speaker 2: Rice joining us, former felony prosecutor, now criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 2: joining us at Rice law. Randolph Rice charging in the altarative.
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Speaker 1: I've done it a million times.
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Speaker 2: If I got a case and the grand jury had
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Speaker 2: not indicted in the alternative, I would either a send
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Speaker 2: it back to the grand jury and represent it myself
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Speaker 2: to get those alternative counts, or have the judge charge
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Speaker 2: the jury with the alternative counts. What I mean by
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Speaker 2: that is, you shoot Jackie, you plan to shoot Jackie.
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Speaker 2: It's malice, aforethought, it's premeditated murder.
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Speaker 1: Murder one, So I charge you with murder one.
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Speaker 2: But I'm worried, So then I charged you with voluntary
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Speaker 2: manslaughter murder two, involuntary manslaughter if I'm desperate. In other words,
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Speaker 2: there is no way you are walking out of that
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Speaker 2: courtroom if I have anything to do with it without
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Speaker 2: a conviction. They loaded him up, explain in a nutshell Rice, nutshell.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy you did a great job and explain that,
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Speaker 7: because if you don't get that top count, the most
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Speaker 7: serious count, you've got the back. But the problem here is,
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Speaker 7: and there is a problem, is that I think that
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Speaker 7: they may be reaching on this aggravated murder.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 7: They may be using this as leverage to force him
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Speaker 7: or try to get him to take a plead. But
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Speaker 7: the aggravating circumstances at this point I think are very very.
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Speaker 1: Sough, head blowing off.
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Speaker 8: Are you.
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Speaker 1: They're reaching? Are you serious?
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Speaker 9: This guy?
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Speaker 2: According to the state, this guy steaks out in the place,
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Speaker 2: and I believe they're going to end up with video
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Speaker 2: showing that was not his first trip to the top
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Speaker 2: of that roof. He stakes it out, he plans it
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Speaker 2: in advance, even a wardrobe change. A lot of forethought
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Speaker 2: goes into this. He targets someone because of their freedom
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Speaker 2: of speech. I don't care if you agree with Kirk
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Speaker 2: or disagree with Kirk. I really couldn't care less doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: He targeted him for his freedom of speech. And that
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Speaker 2: is a major, major aggravating circumstances, akin to shooting a judge,
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Speaker 2: or shooting a political figure like the president or the
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Speaker 2: vice president, or shooting a prosecutor or shooting a cop.
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Speaker 1: You go after them.
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Speaker 2: Because of what they represent that you don't like, and
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Speaker 2: you actually, you know what, you really know how to kick.
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Speaker 1: It off wrong, don't you. I bet you're a super
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Speaker 1: downer at a party.
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Speaker 2: You come in to crime stories and blurt out the
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Speaker 2: state is reaching what.
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Speaker 1: Could be more aggravating, well, Mancy.
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Speaker 7: The problem is is that they're trying to rely on
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Speaker 7: the fact that there were children president or that the
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Speaker 7: crime could have hurt somebody else, and again, that seems
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Speaker 7: to be a physical shrimp creature.
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Speaker 1: Show him the crowd here there you go.
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Speaker 2: Look, look at that he shot from a little under
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Speaker 2: two hundred yards away, and you're saying nobody else was
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Speaker 2: in danger.
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Speaker 1: Rice, look at your monitor.
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Speaker 7: No body else is in danger in this situation, at
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Speaker 7: least from Again, I'm arguing the defense here, and I
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Speaker 7: think that the state has a good argument. But in
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Speaker 7: the defense's argument, they're going to say this was a
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Speaker 7: single bullet that had a single target that ultimately killed
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Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk, and it didn't endanger the other people in
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Speaker 7: the crowd. And that's where there may be a problem
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Speaker 7: for the prosecutor's office in trying to seek the charge
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Speaker 7: that seeks the death pilting.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Randolph, you come in, you plot down in
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Speaker 2: the studio, and you first say the state is reaching.
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Speaker 1: They can't prove it. Did I not hear? You just
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Speaker 1: say the state has a good argument. So which one
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Speaker 1: is it? Does the state have a good argument? I
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Speaker 1: say they do?
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Speaker 2: Or are they overreaching? You know that's a very sad
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Speaker 2: second verse, same as the first. Is there any defense
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Speaker 2: attorney that doesn't say, in a murder case, you're overreaching?
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Speaker 7: Oh no, every single case. Every defense attorney says that
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Speaker 7: you're overreaching. I do it in all the cases that
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Speaker 7: I defend, because that's their job. Their job is to
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Speaker 7: challenge the prosecution to say did you try to get
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Speaker 7: too much?
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Speaker 8: Here?
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Speaker 7: And again, this is a tactic that the prosecutortion is
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Speaker 7: using to try to get the defendant to take a
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Speaker 7: police saying, hey, look, did you actually.
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Speaker 1: Say the P word? Plea? You think there's going to
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Speaker 1: be a plea?
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Speaker 2: You think they're going to pull a coburger with the
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Speaker 2: whole world watching them. You don't think they're going to
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Speaker 2: take this to trial and seek the death penalty, whether
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Speaker 2: they get it or not.
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Speaker 7: I thought Coburger was going to go to trial, and
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Speaker 7: look what happened there. I think that this is something
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Speaker 7: they're trying to push him into, is to take a place.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, that's the first thing you've said
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Speaker 2: so far to me, Randolph, Rice, that makes any sense.
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Speaker 2: But actually, actually, now that I think about it, you're
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Speaker 2: absolutely correct. The number of counts could be a tactic
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Speaker 2: to make the defendant plea guilty, because there seems to
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Speaker 2: be no way out with all these alternative counts.
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Speaker 1: I don't see it happening though. I don't see a
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Speaker 1: plea going down in this case.
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Speaker 2: But again, you're right, we didn't see one coming in
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Speaker 2: Coburger either.
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Speaker 1: But put them up one more time, Randolph. Guys, let
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Speaker 1: me to mind you. Rice is a.
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Speaker 2: Former very successful felony prosecutor. He's won a lot of cases.
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Speaker 2: Now he is a criminal defense attorney, civil attorney. So, Randolph,
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Speaker 2: the aggravating circumstance you mentioned was just that other people
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Speaker 2: were endangered. It's not like you shoot Jackie in the
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Speaker 2: studio and it's just the two of you. This is
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Speaker 2: a shooting with a throng of people, thousands of people.
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Speaker 2: If that bullet had gone the wrong way if there
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Speaker 2: had been a gust of wind, who knows. But they
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Speaker 2: included another aggravating circumstance that this murder occurred in the
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Speaker 2: presence of children. Now, that is aggravating a violent felony
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Speaker 2: that occurs in the presence of children. How are you
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Speaker 2: going to get out of that, Randolph Rice.
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Speaker 7: Bringing jow shild in there that actually saw the murder.
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Speaker 7: They're going to have to prove that in court that
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Speaker 7: a child actually saw it, was affected by it, and
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Speaker 7: therefore that's the aggravating circumstance. And so I don't know
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Speaker 7: if they've got that right now. You know, it just
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Speaker 7: might be tough for them on that account.
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Speaker 2: You're right, that's an element of proof. They will have
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Speaker 2: to bring in a child witness to prove it. Guys,
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Speaker 2: a lot has happened since these charges were announced formally
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Speaker 2: in court. Now what that was was an arrayment, an
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Speaker 2: arrangment where the defendant is brought in because you cannot
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Speaker 2: stay behind bars over seventy two hours without being told
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Speaker 2: what you're charged with by typically a magistrate. I believe
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Speaker 2: this is going to beat the trial judge from here out.
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Speaker 1: But we're also.
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Speaker 2: Learning not just the charges but how the murder went down.
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Speaker 2: Listen at approximately.
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Speaker 3: Eleven to fifty one am. The suspect of her campus
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Speaker 3: from the north. You seen wearing a lave shirt with
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Speaker 3: an American flag in the center, a darter baseball gut,
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Speaker 3: and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his
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Speaker 3: head down and rarely raises his head enough to get
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Speaker 3: a clear image of his face as he proceeds across
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Speaker 3: the campus. He's seen walking with.
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Speaker 8: An unusual day.
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Speaker 7: The suspect was with very.
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Speaker 3: Little vandy in his right leg, consistent with a rifle
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Speaker 3: to be hidden in these pants.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now, Harmonia on Rodriguez, she if you as
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Speaker 2: reporter Daily Mail, Harmonia, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: So that explains.
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Speaker 2: Hey, let's see that TMC video we have of him walking,
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Speaker 2: because I can see what the prosecution is talking about,
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Speaker 2: especially if they play this in promo.
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Speaker 1: Harmonia, explain what they're talking.
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Speaker 10: About, right, So, officials gave us more insight about the
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Speaker 10: hours before this shooting last week. As we can see
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Speaker 10: on the screen, the suspect was seen arriving on campus
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Speaker 10: about four hours before the shooting, and there he is limping.
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Speaker 9: Now, this made the public wonder why this person was limping?
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Speaker 9: Do they have a limp?
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Speaker 10: Yesterday we learned that actually he had hidden the rifle
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Speaker 10: that he used in one of his pant legs, and
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Speaker 10: that's why he's limping the way we see him on screen.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of bold. What about it?
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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonnald joining US director Coldcase's Foundation Former Homicide to
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Speaker 2: take a start of the interview room on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Who has gone to this scene, to the home, to.
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Speaker 2: The shooting scene, through the neighborhood. You know that's pretty bold,
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Speaker 2: is he?
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Speaker 8: Is?
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Speaker 1: He not heard of ring doorbell cams because they catch
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Speaker 1: him going door to door to door to door.
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Speaker 2: They've got almost an uninterrupted path of him walking.
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Speaker 1: Through the neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: And don't tell me mcdonaughhe didn't case this out, Like
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Speaker 2: where am I going to park? How am I going
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Speaker 2: to get away? This has been at least at least
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Speaker 2: days in the making.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely Nancy, And what I've learned is she did have
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Speaker 11: that vehicle up there and it was parked about a
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Speaker 11: mile away from the crime chine, and he walked in
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Speaker 11: to the crime chine to casehit out initially before the
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Speaker 11: situation went down, and then later. I've also learned that
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Speaker 11: he turned his phone off for a short period of
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Speaker 11: time and then turned it back on after the homicide.
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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough speaking of walking through the neighborhood to his
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Speaker 2: the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Where did he park his muscle car?
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Speaker 11: The muscle card Nancy was parked approximately a mile away
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Speaker 11: at a church parking lot, an LDS church parking lot.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Professor Forensis jacksonvill State University,
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Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star
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Speaker 2: of a hit new podcast series, Bodybags.
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Speaker 1: With Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott really did he pull a coburger slash morphew
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Speaker 2: where they both think they've outsmarted everybody by turning their
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Speaker 2: phone off.
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Speaker 1: There it's like my teen children. They're seventeen, believe it
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Speaker 1: or not.
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Speaker 2: The phone is constantly on, even right down to zero
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Speaker 2: one percent. Okay, they will not turn it off even
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Speaker 2: when they charge it. See that is a pattern or practice.
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Speaker 2: So when you just coincidentally turn your phone off at
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Speaker 2: the time of the incident, I mean, think about it,
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Speaker 2: Jo Scott.
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Speaker 1: If it weren't for the murder.
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Speaker 2: The mo modus operandi method of operation would be laughable
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Speaker 2: because you see the pings leading up to a certain
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Speaker 2: spot and then poof the phone goes off, the murder occurs,
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Speaker 2: then poof, the phone goes back on, and you see
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Speaker 2: the return back to your home nest.
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Speaker 6: Right, It's just yeah, yeah, you're right, and welcome to
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Speaker 6: the real world here, because these phones are the modern
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Speaker 6: crime scene. Because it seems like every case that we cover,
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Speaker 6: you know, I think most famously to this point Coburger's case,
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Speaker 6: you go to these patterns of behavior. This was spoken
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Speaker 6: a lot, spoken about quite a bit in that particular case.
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Speaker 6: We have established patterns, why are you going to turn
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Speaker 6: it off at this particular time? And look, the case
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Speaker 6: is not proven simply based on that, but it's another
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Speaker 6: element that can be integrated into this from a behavioral standpoint.
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Speaker 1: This video from our friends I've wat the Independent speaking
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Speaker 1: of the rifle. Listen.
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Speaker 3: The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towel were sent for forensic processing.
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Speaker 3: DNA consistent that Robin Knock was a defendant was found
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Speaker 3: on the trigger, other parts of the rifle, the fire cartridge, casing,
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Speaker 3: two of the three how to fire cartridges, and the towel.
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Speaker 3: Law enforcement was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so
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Speaker 3: the published photos of the shooter from the UBIU surveillance
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Speaker 3: cameras and asked for the public's help to identify it. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: law enforcement continued to trying to identify the shooter.
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Speaker 1: Through other means, joining us.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall now Psychoalysis out of the LA jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She is the author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her now on peacock and she said,
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Before you launch into the whole furry.
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Speaker 2: Connection, I want to hear your thoughts on a guy
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Speaker 2: that comes from a loving home, very loving. We've heard Wow,
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Speaker 2: he was afraid to tell his parents he was dating
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Speaker 2: another guy that was transitioning. The family knew, and I'm
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Speaker 2: going to tell you about that in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: So he comes from a very loving home. He was smart.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall got a scholarship at the top one
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Speaker 2: percent of I believe it was this act exam almost
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Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars of scholarship.
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Speaker 1: Goes to college, doesn't like it, leaves college, comes out,
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Speaker 1: pursues Listen.
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Speaker 7: To this thirty two thousand dollars. This scholarship is available
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Speaker 7: for forty years or a semesters.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're supportive, they love it.
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Speaker 2: My bottom line here is what went wrong, And I'm
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Speaker 2: not talking about his relationship with a guy. That's irrelevant,
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Some people say right, some people say wrong,
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Speaker 2: don't care. But what I'm talking about, Bethany, is how
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Speaker 2: do you go from a loving home when the parent's
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Speaker 2: like you're the apple of their eye to becoming a
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Speaker 2: psycho shooter?
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Speaker 12: Because Nancy, he seems to me to be what we
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Speaker 12: call narcissistically vulnerable, meaning he gets the thirty two thousand
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Speaker 12: dollars scholarship, but then he drops out of college and
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Speaker 12: studies to become an electrician. And what that tells me,
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Speaker 12: if he were my patient, is that he cannot tolerate
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Speaker 12: being with his peers. He doesn't feel intact or good
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Speaker 12: enough about himself. He doesn't have a strong ego. So
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Speaker 12: the risk factor for shooters is that they often feel
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Speaker 12: insulted by society. They feel that they are in a
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Speaker 12: one down position, that everybody's bullying them, everybody's acting like
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Speaker 12: they're better than them, and they hold on to every
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Speaker 12: little grudge until they have some kind of a profound
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Speaker 12: loss in their life, and in this case it may
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Speaker 12: have been dropping out of college, and they become even angrier.
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Speaker 12: And when they decide to shoot, they don't just walk
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Speaker 12: through the crowd, Nancy. They're always on the top of
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Speaker 12: a building. Have you noticed that about school shooters? I mean,
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Speaker 12: one we covered many years ago was a guy who
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Speaker 12: stood at the top of a staircase after having locked
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Speaker 12: all the doors so the students wouldn't get out. We
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Speaker 12: call it like the fish in a barrel kind of
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Speaker 12: moo of the shooting. So that's the reversing of the
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Speaker 12: feeling of being powerless. Now he's in a powerful position.
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Speaker 12: He's like the big man on campus, literally whizzing bullets
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Speaker 12: over children and families' heads, talking about getting an erection
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Speaker 12: which is inscribed on the bullet, and feeling powerful for
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Speaker 12: the first.
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Speaker 1: Time in his life.
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Speaker 12: So he's trying to reverse a feeling of being powerless, helpless,
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Speaker 12: and at the bottom of society.
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Speaker 7: To receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah City University.
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Speaker 11: The value of this scholarship is approximately thirty two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 7: This scholarship is available for forty years or a semesters.
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Speaker 3: You see are in a live shirt with a Murgan
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Speaker 3: flag in the center, a data baseball down in large sunglasses.
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Speaker 2: He arrived on campus in different clothing, change into what
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Speaker 2: we see in those surveillance images, then changed back into
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Speaker 2: the other outfit.
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Speaker 1: He shoots, and then he's off the buildings in four days.
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Speaker 1: Then we see him limping as he's walking through.
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Speaker 2: He had a conscious objective formal charges read in open court,
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Speaker 2: but I'm more into those charges in my mind were predictable,
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Speaker 2: although the state did get creative in the aggravating.
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Speaker 1: Circumstances that they charged.
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Speaker 2: It's not just murder, it's aggravated murder with quote aggravating
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Speaker 2: circumstances and the significance of that.
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Speaker 1: In order to see the death penalty, you have.
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Speaker 2: To include aggravating circumstances. Just murdering somebody is not enough. Now,
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Speaker 2: there has to be aggravating circumstances. And to Randolph Rice
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Speaker 2: joining us vetteran trial lawyer, they vary, but in every
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Speaker 2: jurisdiction across our country, you have to have aggravating circumstances
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Speaker 2: to seek the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: In Coburger, it was mass murder more than one body.
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Speaker 1: It's mass murder.
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Speaker 2: Here explain the significance of them putting in the indictment,
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Speaker 2: in the charges, the aggravating circumstances, they have to be proved,
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Speaker 2: just like every element of the crime.
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Speaker 7: Nanth You're exactly right. You've got to prove every single
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Speaker 7: element because what happens is the jurors are going to
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Speaker 7: get a jury instruction at some point in time, and
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Speaker 7: it's going to have all these different elements and it's
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Speaker 7: going to say unless you find beyond a reasonable doubt
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Speaker 7: that every single element has been met, then you can't
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Speaker 7: find them guilty of that charge. And so there is
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Speaker 7: the issue with does the state meet these aggravating circumstances
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Speaker 7: that gets them to the conviction, that gets them to
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Speaker 7: the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: So, for instance, in every prosecution, and we'll just go
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Speaker 2: with murdersys or that's what we're talking about tonight, you
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Speaker 2: have to prove who is the victim, that the indictment
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Speaker 2: has the victim correct, You have to prove the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: You have to prove malice of forethought, even if it's
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Speaker 2: malicet lasts for a moment, the between twinkling of an instant,
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Speaker 2: the blink of an eye qualifies as time to prove intent.
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Speaker 2: But when you seek the death penalty, you have to
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Speaker 2: include these aggravating circumstances and then they become an element
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Speaker 2: of proof. You have to prove them each element beyond
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Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt. Like you said earlier, Correctly, they may
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Speaker 2: have to bring in a child to prove a child
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Speaker 2: was in harm's way. So we'll see how the state's
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Speaker 2: going to prove it. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Another thing we are learning about how the defendant was recognized. Listen.
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Speaker 3: On September eleven, five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's
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Speaker 3: mother saw the photo and the shooter in the news
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Speaker 3: and data. Shooter looked like for a seven Robinson's father
20:37
Speaker 3: called hers and asked him where he was. He said
20:45
Speaker 3: he was at home sick, and then he had also
20:48
Speaker 3: been at home home second on September.
20:51
Speaker 2: Tenth, hold on just a moment, her money Rodriguez joining
20:54
Speaker 2: US Daily Mail.
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Speaker 1: He said he was home sick. What did he add?
20:58
Speaker 1: The dog ate my homework. I'm sick. That's weak.
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Speaker 10: These were details that I mean, we're really harrowing if
21:04
Speaker 10: you imagine what these parents went through. As we just
21:07
Speaker 10: saw official saying apparently the day after the shooting, this
21:11
Speaker 10: mother looks at the images released by the FBI as
21:14
Speaker 10: they were hunting this person down.
21:16
Speaker 9: She thinks it looks like her son.
21:18
Speaker 1: Calls him.
21:19
Speaker 9: He says he's at home sick for the second day
21:22
Speaker 9: in a row.
21:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Joscott Morgan, what about it?
21:26
Speaker 2: If I saw my son or daughter in a baseball
21:29
Speaker 2: hat and a pair of sunglasses, I would still know
21:32
Speaker 2: it's them.
21:32
Speaker 6: Of course you would, Yeah, all of us would. There's
21:35
Speaker 6: no way that you're not going to recognize your child.
21:38
Speaker 6: I think the big thing here, you know, probably for
21:42
Speaker 6: this mother, and this is more of a doctor Bethany issue,
21:45
Speaker 6: But what do you do with that information? You know,
21:49
Speaker 6: how does it because you've been with him his entire life,
21:52
Speaker 6: so you know, again she's going to call him up.
21:55
Speaker 7: She wants to confirm it.
21:56
Speaker 6: You know, do I believe my lying eyes? And it
21:58
Speaker 6: turns out that her we're not lying in this case?
22:01
Speaker 2: And answer you know what, You're right, doctor Bethany Marshall.
22:04
Speaker 2: How will this affect the parents going forward knowing.
22:08
Speaker 1: They turned their son in?
22:12
Speaker 12: You know, Joe Scott Morgan and I were talking on
22:13
Speaker 12: the break and that sound where he has the thirty
22:16
Speaker 12: two thousand dollars scholarship. Do you notice that his affect
22:20
Speaker 12: is very flat. He doesn't seem excited, So it's the
22:25
Speaker 12: mother that goes oooh, and then he kind of mimics
22:28
Speaker 12: the woo in a less sharp tone or less elevated tone.
22:32
Speaker 12: So I'm going to guess that this mother has a
22:35
Speaker 12: long history of trying to pump her son up to
22:39
Speaker 12: act normal in society. So when she sees this image
22:43
Speaker 12: of him, I don't think is as much of a
22:45
Speaker 12: shock as you and I might think.
22:47
Speaker 1: I would guess.
22:48
Speaker 12: You know how parents know their children that they've always
22:51
Speaker 12: known something is wrong, and they're always waiting for the
22:55
Speaker 12: other shoe to drop. She sees the image, it's confirmed,
22:59
Speaker 12: she calls dad, Reality meets internal fearfulness, and now she's
23:05
Speaker 12: the one who has to turn him in. Maternal guilt, Nancy.
23:09
Speaker 12: She's going to feel maternal guilt not only that she
23:12
Speaker 12: turned him in, but that she gave birth to somebody
23:15
Speaker 12: who could have done this, and she'll blame herself for
23:18
Speaker 12: having raised him in the wrong way. Although we know
23:21
Speaker 12: these kinds of disorders are very biologically based, it is
23:25
Speaker 12: not the parent's fault.
23:26
Speaker 1: Okay, I understood about fifty percent of what you said. Okay.
23:32
Speaker 1: I think what you said is.
23:35
Speaker 2: The mother has likely spent her whole life trying to
23:39
Speaker 2: present to the world and to herself and her son.
23:42
Speaker 9: Is normal.
23:43
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that he's mentally insane, because he
23:45
Speaker 2: clearly knew what he did was wrong. He planned it,
23:48
Speaker 2: he concealed it, and he covered it up afterwards as
23:50
Speaker 2: evidence of guilty conscience.
23:52
Speaker 1: He knew it was wrong.
23:53
Speaker 2: But mom compensating, saying, Look, he won a scholarship, He's
23:58
Speaker 2: so smart. Look this he, you know, is a boy scout.
24:01
Speaker 2: Look he sings in the choir. He's awesome, he cuts
24:04
Speaker 2: the grass. I love him, He's wonderful, all the while
24:08
Speaker 2: knowing something is off. That's a lifetime of compensating. Dr Bethany.
24:14
Speaker 12: Yes, this mother has her own lifetime sentence. And I
24:18
Speaker 12: obviously I haven't met this guy. I don't know if
24:20
Speaker 12: he's associate path, but let's see. Theoretically, if he was,
24:24
Speaker 12: the mother would likely have noticed many things.
24:26
Speaker 1: Look, look, Bethany, look at your screen. Look at your screen.
24:30
Speaker 2: I grew up on a red dirt road, as everybody knows,
24:33
Speaker 2: and I always wonder I look at people with like
24:36
Speaker 2: a six bedroom home worth over a half a million dollars.
24:39
Speaker 2: They're all going to college, they have great jobs.
24:42
Speaker 1: What's not to be happy about. I don't get it,
24:45
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany. Maybe I've set the standard too low.
24:48
Speaker 2: But you know, I got a family, I've got a home,
24:52
Speaker 2: I've got a job for right now, we're all healthy.
24:55
Speaker 1: I'm on top of the world.
24:58
Speaker 12: I don't get it, Bethany, But we know that this
25:01
Speaker 12: guy was supremely unhappy. He was so unhappy he couldn't
25:05
Speaker 12: even follow through with a scholarship, so unhappy that he
25:09
Speaker 12: can't even smile when he gets the scholarship. Nancy, this
25:13
Speaker 12: has nothing to do with his upbringing or his family.
25:16
Speaker 12: I can say that fairly confidently, even without knowing them.
25:20
Speaker 1: This type of.
25:20
Speaker 12: Disorder is what we call psycho biological, meaning, to break
25:25
Speaker 12: it down, there's something wrong with his brain. If you
25:28
Speaker 12: did a brain scan, you would probably see that there's
25:31
Speaker 12: a there's a quieting in the part of the brain
25:34
Speaker 12: that's responsible for empathy. You might even see like a
25:37
Speaker 12: coburger syndrome of bullying other people and wanting to be
25:41
Speaker 12: in a one up position.
25:43
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not going to let you go
25:46
Speaker 2: down the Aaron Hernandez route where they claim the defense climbs.
25:51
Speaker 2: He kills so murdered so many people because there was
25:54
Speaker 2: something wrong with his brain. When he function completely normally
26:00
Speaker 2: and excelled. It was a multi millionaire blew it.
26:05
Speaker 12: No no, no, But as he does like going to
26:08
Speaker 12: be on defense, this guy was not functioning normally. He
26:11
Speaker 12: was on top of that building sweating, depositing all this DNA.
26:16
Speaker 12: In the text we read that he wants to take
26:19
Speaker 12: the secret with him till old age, so.
26:22
Speaker 1: He actually thinks he's going to get away with this.
26:26
Speaker 1: That is something seriously wrong with rise. Please get her
26:31
Speaker 1: back in the middle of the road and out of
26:32
Speaker 1: the waves.
26:33
Speaker 2: All criminals think they're the smartest one in the room
26:36
Speaker 2: and they're not going to get caught.
26:38
Speaker 1: They all think that sure, it's not special.
26:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why it's been proven that definitely doesn't work,
26:43
Speaker 7: because it's not a to term for people to not
26:46
Speaker 7: commit crimes because they don't think about I'm ever going
26:49
Speaker 7: to get caught, so their final to worry about getting
26:51
Speaker 7: shot at a firing squad.
26:53
Speaker 13: Mister Robinson, I also wish to inform you of your
26:56
Speaker 13: rights against self incrimination anything that you say in court
27:00
Speaker 13: today could be used against you, and we want to
27:03
Speaker 13: protect your constitutional rights. Mister Robinson. At this time you
27:08
Speaker 13: will remain in custody without bail.
27:11
Speaker 3: Robinson's mother expressed a concern to her husband that the
27:15
Speaker 3: suspect shoot low life Robinson. Robinson's father a group. Robinson's
27:21
Speaker 3: father explained that over the last year or so, Robinson
27:24
Speaker 3: had become more political and had started to lean more
27:29
Speaker 3: to the left.
27:30
Speaker 2: As if somehow being left wing means that you're gonna
27:36
Speaker 2: gun somebody down at long range. I think the significance
27:41
Speaker 2: of the mom saying the allegedclator had become more political
27:46
Speaker 2: and left leaning was it was a departure from the family.
27:50
Speaker 1: Values and what he had been his whole life up
27:52
Speaker 1: until that point.
27:54
Speaker 2: Now, we heard last night that a relative of the
27:58
Speaker 2: roommate blames the roommate for radicalizing the defendant. But the
28:07
Speaker 2: reality is is it doesn't matter who persuaded him. It
28:12
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. He did this shooting of his own volition.
28:17
Speaker 2: Many people have wondered did his parents know of his
28:21
Speaker 2: relationship with his roommate.
28:24
Speaker 1: Yes, they did.
28:25
Speaker 3: Listen, she said that Robinson began and day in his roommate,
28:29
Speaker 3: a biological mal whose present transitioning generous. This resulted in
28:36
Speaker 3: several discussions with family in person, but especially between Robinson
28:40
Speaker 3: and his father, who had very different political views. In
28:45
Speaker 3: one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Curry
28:50
Speaker 3: would be holding an event and you need you, which
28:54
Speaker 3: Robinson said was a stud ataman for the advantage Robin.
29:00
Speaker 3: She's heard of spreading the page.
29:03
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how a murder of a loving
29:09
Speaker 2: father of two, a husband has turned into an argument
29:14
Speaker 2: about furries and trans Sidney, So I'm joining me, crime stories,
29:19
Speaker 2: investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: None of that matters. It doesn't matter.
29:25
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if he's straight, if he was gay,
29:27
Speaker 2: if he was by, if he was trans. None of
29:30
Speaker 2: that bears on the elements of proving a murder case.
29:34
Speaker 2: How did that take center?
29:36
Speaker 8: Stave si Well some interesting bullet engraevings, and we're learning
29:42
Speaker 8: more about those. So at first we maybe thought that
29:45
Speaker 8: this was a reference that Robinson was a furry, was
29:50
Speaker 8: part of one of these counter culture groups. But it
29:54
Speaker 8: seems like now based on his text to his boyfriend,
29:59
Speaker 8: that Robinson was just making a giant joke. So his
30:04
Speaker 8: references to the furry group notices bulge Uwu ooh wu.
30:12
Speaker 8: It was just a joke and it didn't mean anything.
30:15
Speaker 8: So that's why this took such a big part of
30:18
Speaker 8: this was we thought that he was making some kind
30:21
Speaker 8: of statement with these bullet inscriptions.
30:24
Speaker 1: Are you saying the inscriptions on the bullet were just
30:27
Speaker 1: a joke? Sydney Summer.
30:28
Speaker 2: According to Robinson, that's what he told his roommate, Sydney.
30:32
Speaker 2: The engravings that you are suggesting are just a joke.
30:35
Speaker 2: We're on the bullets used to murder an innocent person.
30:43
Speaker 2: So I don't know who's claiming you know that's a joke.
30:48
Speaker 14: Listen, remember how I was engraving bullets. The messages are
30:53
Speaker 14: mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge uwu
30:58
Speaker 14: on Fox News, I might have a stroke.
31:01
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That
31:04
Speaker 1: really sucks.
31:06
Speaker 14: Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine.
31:10
Speaker 1: I don't know.
31:11
Speaker 14: I think that was a two thousand dollars scope. Delete
31:15
Speaker 14: this exchange.
31:16
Speaker 2: So this is an exchange that the legis shooter, the
31:21
Speaker 2: Kirk shooter is having with the romantic partner, as the
31:26
Speaker 2: roommate is being described. Okay, remember how I was engraving
31:32
Speaker 2: the bullets? Whoa, whoa Wait a minute, number one, what
31:36
Speaker 2: psycho engraves the bullets? I guess this guy in Luigia MANGIONI.
31:40
Speaker 2: But that says to me, Randolph Rice, the roommate was
31:44
Speaker 2: there when Robinson was engraving the bullets.
31:48
Speaker 1: Hello, accomplice codefendant.
31:51
Speaker 5: The problem, Nancy, They need that roommate in their case
31:55
Speaker 5: because that roommate is so important to connecting the Kirk
31:59
Speaker 5: killer Kirk shooter to those text messages.
32:02
Speaker 7: They need to keep that roommate, that love interest happy.
32:05
Speaker 7: They need to keep them close because that's going to
32:07
Speaker 7: be probably one of their first witnesses.
32:10
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying, Randolph, the two are
32:15
Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive.
32:17
Speaker 2: You can get his testimony and charge him as an
32:20
Speaker 2: accomplished murder at the same time. In fact, m let
32:26
Speaker 2: me guess, does your wife do all the cooking in
32:28
Speaker 2: the home.
32:28
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of meat tenderizer? I would let
32:31
Speaker 1: the roommate have a few months behind.
32:34
Speaker 2: Bars to see if that jogs his recollection, so he
32:39
Speaker 2: can be a co defendant and a witness at the
32:43
Speaker 2: same time.
32:44
Speaker 1: What about that thought he can.
32:46
Speaker 7: But remember, you've got to put this in front of
32:48
Speaker 7: a jury. And how does the jury see that? Because
32:52
Speaker 7: under your scenario, if you put him in jail and
32:54
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, the defense train says, hey, you've
32:57
Speaker 7: been sitting in jail. The prosecutor puts you there, so
32:59
Speaker 7: you feel you're forced to tell his story. That doesn't
33:02
Speaker 7: look good in front of the jury.
33:05
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you can argue that till you're blue
33:09
Speaker 1: in the face. Randolph Rice.
33:12
Speaker 2: The fact that he would be arrested as a co defendant,
33:15
Speaker 2: and again, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in
33:19
Speaker 2: a court of law. That said, of course, the code
33:23
Speaker 2: defendant goes to jail. That's not unique. That said, what
33:28
Speaker 2: do you make of that text? My original question before
33:31
Speaker 2: you went off with your pity party about the roommate
33:34
Speaker 2: going to jail, That shows me that he was there.
33:37
Speaker 2: The roommate was there and would recall the defendant engraving bullets.
33:43
Speaker 2: And don't you imagine me, go, Hi, Tyler Robinson, why
33:48
Speaker 2: are you engraving bullets?
33:50
Speaker 1: I would so are you telling me now he had
33:53
Speaker 1: no idea what was happening?
33:54
Speaker 7: No, I think you're right. He did have a knowledge
33:56
Speaker 7: of what was going on, and I think that there's
33:58
Speaker 7: a potential that the roommates charge, and you're exactly right
34:01
Speaker 7: on that. I'm looking at it from an optical perspective.
34:04
Speaker 7: But if you wanted to charge the roommate, I think
34:06
Speaker 7: you certainly had that ability to charge them with knowing
34:09
Speaker 7: what was going on beforehand. The problem becomes can you
34:12
Speaker 7: charge them what happened after? And then the text messages
34:15
Speaker 7: that becomes another sort of sticky, sticky situation.
34:18
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what you have to do,
34:22
Speaker 2: Chris McDonough to actually engrave a bullet. It sounds like
34:26
Speaker 2: trying to thread three needles at once. How do you
34:28
Speaker 2: engrave a bullet? Well, there's a couple of ways of
34:31
Speaker 2: doing it, Nancy. You can use, you know, a handheld engraver.
34:35
Speaker 2: But let's also take a hard look at the messaging
34:39
Speaker 2: here as right, you just happened to have a hand
34:41
Speaker 2: held engraver in your tool pocket.
34:45
Speaker 1: Who would in your hand held engraver?
34:49
Speaker 3: You know what?
34:50
Speaker 1: Step back and punt. You have anything else for me, Yeah,
34:52
Speaker 1: you can.
34:53
Speaker 11: You can buy that really simple at home depot. But
34:57
Speaker 11: also recognize that he says most mostly the FN messages
35:02
Speaker 11: were mostly a big mean I e. There's another messaging
35:07
Speaker 11: in the showcasing or the the cartridges that were recovered.
35:12
Speaker 11: They only recovered the well. They didn't find any showcasing
35:16
Speaker 11: on the on the roof, so that means a it
35:19
Speaker 11: was either left in the bolt of the of the weapon,
35:22
Speaker 11: and then the three in the magazine show. The fact
35:26
Speaker 11: that he was engraving a message on those cartridges tells
35:32
Speaker 11: us there's a bigger story.
35:40
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Jess gott Morgan.
35:48
Speaker 2: This is why we discussed cases before we take them
35:50
Speaker 2: in front of the jury. As I'm sitting here, Jackie
35:52
Speaker 2: says she's got a handheld home engraver. You know, the
35:56
Speaker 2: things you learn about people in a dark studio. But
36:00
Speaker 2: since McDonough dodged the question, if you don't happen to
36:03
Speaker 2: be one of those people that have a home hand engraver,
36:08
Speaker 2: then how would you do it with a knife?
36:11
Speaker 1: How do you do that? And it's got to be
36:13
Speaker 1: legible because these were easily read.
36:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does have to be legible. And the fact
36:18
Speaker 6: this struck me from the beginning, you know, because we've
36:21
Speaker 6: had a couple If you remember the Minneapolis shooting at
36:24
Speaker 6: mass a few weeks ago that individual wrote these kind
36:28
Speaker 6: of cryptic messages on the magazines themselves, but that was
36:32
Speaker 6: with a marker, like an ink marker. In this case,
36:36
Speaker 6: you have to get something that is you know, I
36:39
Speaker 6: think I mentioned maybe yesterday in the Morgue, we use
36:42
Speaker 6: what referred to as diamond engravers to mark the basis
36:46
Speaker 6: of bullets, and this works on a metallic surface as well.
36:50
Speaker 6: You have electrical engravers. I don't know if he went
36:53
Speaker 6: that far.
36:53
Speaker 2: And the problem is, wait, wait, I was about to
36:56
Speaker 2: mock you about the diamond engraver, but wait a minute.
37:00
Speaker 1: Didn't he work as an.
37:01
Speaker 2: Electrician nor as an electric electricians Well.
37:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, that tool he very well might, or he could
37:08
Speaker 6: have some semblance of that.
37:10
Speaker 1: That would be.
37:10
Speaker 6: What you have to have is a metallic body that
37:14
Speaker 6: will mark on brass, because this is brass. That's one
37:17
Speaker 6: of the softest metals that's out there, and people doing grave,
37:21
Speaker 6: you know, soldiers have been doing it for years and years.
37:23
Speaker 6: I wonder where you got this idea from. But you
37:26
Speaker 6: know what, I'm more interested in, Nancy, not just the engraving.
37:30
Speaker 6: I'm fascinated by the fact that this guy, according to
37:34
Speaker 6: the pressor not only left engravings to mark these rounds,
37:38
Speaker 6: but he also left his DNA on specific components within
37:43
Speaker 6: the weapon, even the trigger. Nancy, this guy's leaving signatures everywhere.
37:48
Speaker 2: When you say within the weapon that you're right, where
37:52
Speaker 2: did authorities find DNA?
37:55
Speaker 1: And they found a lot of it.
37:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm thinking, well, first off, they mentioned specifically the
37:59
Speaker 6: trigger housing, and I say housing actually on the surface
38:03
Speaker 6: of the trigger, so that's probably going to be touched
38:05
Speaker 6: DNA where you're pulling the trigger. However, this weapon has
38:10
Speaker 6: what's referred to as an internal magazine. It's not like
38:13
Speaker 6: the classic magazine kind of drops out and you have
38:15
Speaker 6: to feed it back in. You literally, Nancy, have to
38:18
Speaker 6: take your thumb and press these rounds into that in
38:23
Speaker 6: dwelling magazine. So any of those surfaces around there where
38:27
Speaker 6: you're trying to leverage this thing, even on the surface
38:30
Speaker 6: of the bolt, the handle of the bolt, any of
38:33
Speaker 6: these areas you can deposit DNA. And let's face it,
38:37
Speaker 6: he had to sing wrapped in a towel. He's got
38:39
Speaker 6: to sing in kind of a pristine condition he's left
38:42
Speaker 6: it in. So you know, they had a field day
38:44
Speaker 6: when they got their hands on the sing in the lab.
38:46
Speaker 3: Police kariny rob in sudden roommate a file one of
38:51
Speaker 3: your gull now was involving a romantic relationship with Robinson.
38:57
Speaker 4: The roommate all police that the roommate.
38:59
Speaker 3: Received that such for a while, and I said about
39:02
Speaker 3: the shooting, and he did provide those messages to police.
39:07
Speaker 14: I can get close to it, but there's a squad
39:10
Speaker 14: car parked right by it. I think they already swept
39:13
Speaker 14: that spot, but I don't want to chance it. I'm
39:15
Speaker 14: wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon
39:17
Speaker 14: as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
39:20
Speaker 14: old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
39:24
Speaker 14: I don't even know if it had a serial number,
39:27
Speaker 14: but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince.
39:30
Speaker 14: I had to leave it in a bush where I
39:32
Speaker 14: changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring
39:36
Speaker 14: it with I might have to abandon it and hope
39:39
Speaker 14: they don't find Prince. How though, will I explain losing
39:43
Speaker 14: it to my old man.
39:45
Speaker 2: I think he needs to get his priorities straight. He's
39:48
Speaker 2: worried about his dad being mad he lost the Grandpa's gun.
39:54
Speaker 1: What about the death penalty? That what is he thinking?
39:59
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethanny mar And.
40:01
Speaker 2: Did you notice this is a recrey of all of
40:05
Speaker 2: the texts the alleged slator sends to the room. If
40:09
Speaker 2: you notice roommates not answering, He's like, what, But the
40:14
Speaker 2: guy's worried about losing Rampa's.
40:17
Speaker 1: Gun, Nancy.
40:17
Speaker 12: I'd love to talk about the idea that he thinks
40:20
Speaker 12: that what's on the bullets are a meme. A meme
40:24
Speaker 12: is a joke, so he's already minimizing the severity of
40:28
Speaker 12: the alleged crime. A meme is something that goes viral
40:32
Speaker 12: and everybody sees it. So there's this fantasy of being famous,
40:36
Speaker 12: like being some kind of a hero. The reference to
40:41
Speaker 12: the bulge, I take all of this seriously.
40:44
Speaker 1: None of it is a joke.
40:45
Speaker 12: The bulge is getting an erection while you are shooting somebody.
40:50
Speaker 12: If he were my patient, I would ask him what
40:53
Speaker 12: is sexually exciting about shooting somebody and whizzing the bullet
41:00
Speaker 12: over a crowd of family and children. Is it that
41:03
Speaker 12: sadism is exciting? Having power over people as exciting. I'd
41:07
Speaker 12: want to try to get to the root of that,
41:09
Speaker 12: to understand this guy's mind.
41:11
Speaker 1: You know what, There's so much happening in this case.
41:14
Speaker 2: Remember the old guy at the get go that claims
41:18
Speaker 2: he was responsible for the shaving.
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Speaker 1: I did it. I did it, raising both hands now.
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Speaker 2: Saying that he was just trying to give the real
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Speaker 2: shooter a chance to get away. Okay, listen to what
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Speaker 2: the alleged shater says about that.
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Speaker 1: I thought they caught the person.
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Speaker 14: No, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone
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Speaker 14: in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle
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Speaker 14: from my drop points shortly after, but most of that
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Speaker 14: side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough
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Speaker 14: to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.
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Speaker 1: Why why did I do it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 14: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
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Speaker 14: negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen,
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Speaker 14: I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to
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Speaker 14: retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't
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Speaker 14: seen anything about them finding it.
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Speaker 1: How long have you been planning this?
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Speaker 14: A bit over a week, I believe.
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Speaker 2: So much for the insanity defense, he had this thing
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Speaker 2: planned out cold. But my point is George Zen, the
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Speaker 2: one that threw investigators off at the beginning, claiming he
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Speaker 2: did it. He was arrested. Now everybody's trashing the FBI
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Speaker 2: director for arresting him.
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Speaker 1: He said he did it.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a sad sack right there. Okay, bombshell, Harmonia Rodriguez.
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Speaker 2: George Zen has caught a few charges himself, hasn't he.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, this has been another incredible part of the story.
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Speaker 10: As Hugh said, right after the shooting, this man was
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Speaker 10: film saying I shot him.
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Speaker 9: I shot him.
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Speaker 10: Now, apparently he has told police that he wanted to
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Speaker 10: give the actual shooter time to get away. We have
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Speaker 10: learned that he is someone who has previously caused trouble
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Speaker 10: in the area, and he's now charged with child pornography.
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Speaker 2: That just tribled off your tongue. Did you a child pornogracy?
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Speaker 9: Correct?
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Speaker 10: After he was taken into custody right after this shooting.
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Speaker 10: Days later, he has been charged with this crime.
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Speaker 13: So, mister Robinson, you have a right to an attorney.
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Speaker 13: If you cannot afford one, the court can appoint in
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Speaker 13: turning to represent you. I have reviewed your declaration of
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Speaker 13: financial status and find that you are indigent. I'm provisually
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Speaker 13: provisionally appointing a rule a qualified attorney to represent you
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Speaker 13: on your case, mister Robinson, Along with their filing of
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Speaker 13: their appearance of counsel, the assigned attorneys must file declarations
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Speaker 13: with the court that outline their qualifications under Rule eight
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Speaker 13: and Rule eight C. I'm sorry under Rule eight B
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Speaker 13: and Rule eight C for council appointment in a case
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Speaker 13: where death may be a sentencing option.
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Speaker 2: As we go to air tonight, the state still building
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Speaker 2: its case against the alleged Charlie Kirk shooter.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know.
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Speaker 2: Anything about the case, regardless of whether you think it
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Speaker 2: is important or not, please dial eight zero one five
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Speaker 2: seventy nine fourteen hundred eight one five seventy nine fourteen
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Speaker 2: hundred or go to Tips dot FBI dot gov. Now
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Speaker 2: we remember an American hero trooper and Jerry Adamic, Texas
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Speaker 2: Department Public Safety killed in the line of duty, leaving
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Speaker 2: behind a grieving wife, Roxanne, and five children. American hero
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Speaker 2: trooper Jerry Adam ic Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,