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- 0:00[SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to Do Valley Deep Divers with Eric Trickle and Lance Sanderson Well, comes out of the hands of Newton.
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- 0:20[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome in everyone to another episode of the Divality Divers.
- 0:22[SPEAKER_00]: I am your host Eric Triple enjoyed me as always is Lance Sanderson Lance man.
- 0:27[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a not quite a week, but we we've Broncos football's back.
- 0:31[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't had a chance to talk about the game yet.
- 0:34[SPEAKER_00]: So quickly, just give me some thoughts about the game against the party Niners and then we'll basically jump right into the game against the Cardinals.
- 0:41[SPEAKER_00]: Broncos was back.
- 0:43[SPEAKER_03]: It's back, baby, and I'm excited about it.
- 0:45[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here for it, and quite honestly, my takeaway is about the first team offense where everyone was like super panicky about, you know, bone next, taking the safety and like a handful of misthrows.
- 0:55[SPEAKER_03]: I actually didn't mind what I saw from the first team offense.
- 0:58[SPEAKER_03]: RJ Harvey saw some, saw some daylight took advantage of balance and some runs to the outside.
- 1:02[SPEAKER_03]: I had a couple of nice games up front, the offense of lying away, like they were doing a pretty good job outside of some of the exotic blitzes that
- 1:10[SPEAKER_03]: Robert Sol was bringing in from the San Francisco.
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- 1:39[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's freaking out about it.
- 1:40[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, it's just tiny minor issues that they need to clean up.
- 1:44[SPEAKER_03]: The defense, the everyone's freaking out the first team defense got gashed by Matt Jones.
- 1:48[SPEAKER_03]: No, not really.
- 1:48[SPEAKER_03]: They got hit with a fifty one yard throw on the third play of the game.
- 1:51[SPEAKER_03]: Calm down.
- 1:52[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that big of a deal.
- 1:53[SPEAKER_03]: But then the depth of this team with my biggest takeaway is the depth of this team looks absolutely fantastic.
- 1:59[SPEAKER_03]: The two's went out there.
- 2:00[SPEAKER_03]: They moved the ball up and down the field a couple different times scored two touchdowns and like a minute and six seconds after the turnover.
- 2:07[SPEAKER_03]: The Jared Sidham looked like he was on point.
- 2:09[SPEAKER_03]: The couple deep throws there.
- 2:10[SPEAKER_03]: That was really nice on that two-minute drill.
- 2:13[SPEAKER_03]: The defense got what floor takeaways for interceptions.
- 2:16[SPEAKER_03]: Something like that.
- 2:17[SPEAKER_03]: Like this this team is
- 2:19[SPEAKER_03]: It's deep.
- 2:20[SPEAKER_03]: It's a high quality roster and quite honestly, the freak out from everybody in Broncos country about the first team offense and the first team defense and the struggles, air quote struggles that they had.
- 2:31[SPEAKER_03]: This is whatever to mean.
- 2:32[SPEAKER_03]: So first preseason game, they'll iron it out and it sounds like they had a really good practice the other day against the, against the Cardinals and joint practice.
- 2:38[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited to see what happens here on Saturday.
- 2:41[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to disagree with the fact that, you know, people are overreacting and there's no need to panic for it, but I will disagree with you by how the first and second team defense looked.
- 2:49[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there were far worse than you seemingly did.
- 2:52[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they gave up that big play.
- 2:55[SPEAKER_00]: Jake Juan Macmillan did.
- 2:57[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, there was that big run that led for the touchdown.
- 3:01[SPEAKER_00]: And the offense, the interior offensive line was absolutely garbage.
- 3:04[SPEAKER_00]: That includes equipment miners, the run blocking from the tight ends were like, well, it just was messy overall.
- 3:08[SPEAKER_00]: It was a effectiveness.
- 3:11[SPEAKER_00]: And it's what's, what is the thing that I like to say?
- 3:15[SPEAKER_00]: good result bad process that's kind of how it was got some good results but hey it is what it is no again no reason to panic not saying there is first preseason game they're working out the kings and everything like that due to scheduling and stuff like that they're not going to be playing most of the starters aren't going to be playing in this next game which kind of stinks I would like to see them get those reps
- 3:36[SPEAKER_00]: But hopefully they play in the third precincts game to really knock off that rush that they get ready for the regular season, which is when it all really matters.
- 3:43[SPEAKER_00]: As I've said multiple times in the morning shows, preseason is mainly about the evaluation process.
- 3:48[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into this previewing, the Cardinals game we first got to say hello to the chat.
- 3:51[SPEAKER_00]: We have only Mays come in as they go Broncos Country, Todd Austin Dorf saying good, hello Broncos Country Rodney Garcia, good evening Todd, happy Friday, happy Friday to everyone as well.
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- 4:44[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate those of you guys who are that includes flying anger, pig, also asking why won't the starters play in this game.
- 4:52[SPEAKER_00]: Drawing Peyton kind of highlighted it early on in the week.
- 4:55[SPEAKER_00]: There were issues with the flight out of San Francisco and the being delayed.
- 4:59[SPEAKER_00]: They got back late.
- 5:00[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of threw off their whole week.
- 5:02[SPEAKER_00]: And so just because of scheduling with it, the Cardinals aren't going to play most of the starters.
- 5:06[SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos aren't going to play most of the starters just because of scheduling everything like that.
- 5:11[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of stinks, but it is understandable.
- 5:12[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to risk injury to your starters.
- 5:14[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have film a glockling coming.
- 5:15[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good evening, Eric and Lance.
- 5:17[SPEAKER_00]: I am hoping Peyton keeps all the injury guys out this week and game three.
- 5:20[SPEAKER_00]: How many steps will the starter take?
- 5:21[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll estimate be on this team.
- 5:23[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm with you.
- 5:24[SPEAKER_00]: I hope the guys who have been dealing with injury, especially those starters aren't some of those few starters that they want to play.
- 5:29[SPEAKER_00]: That includes great green lot Alex single ten.
- 5:31[SPEAKER_00]: I'd even include some of the, you know, depth pieces that I've been dealing with in injury like Q Robinson.
- 5:36[SPEAKER_00]: He's been dealing with a bit maybe even Devon Bailey.
- 5:38[SPEAKER_00]: He's been dealing with a lower leg injury.
- 5:39[SPEAKER_00]: Guys like that, I would also sit out as for how many steps will the starters take in game three?
- 5:44[SPEAKER_00]: No idea.
- 5:45[SPEAKER_00]: It varies team to team.
- 5:47[SPEAKER_00]: Some teams like to play them for the full first half.
- 5:48[SPEAKER_00]: Some teams just the first quarter and other teams just a series or two.
- 5:53[SPEAKER_00]: So unsure on that, but will estimate be on this team?
- 5:56[SPEAKER_00]: Lance, what do you think?
- 5:58[SPEAKER_03]: Just to go back how many snaps with the starter taking game three Sean Peyton said eight to ten like the eight to ten snaps, maybe drive something like that.
- 6:05[SPEAKER_03]: That was one of the things for this game.
- 6:07[SPEAKER_03]: No, I just read the quote.
- 6:10[SPEAKER_00]: He was talking about the starters that play in this game will get eight to ten.
- 6:13[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I thought that he was talking about in the third game that he was going to get the starters in for like eight to ten snaps.
- 6:18[SPEAKER_03]: So I miss I'm just interested that there was a second part of that quote regardless back to object estimate.
- 6:23[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that is one of the players that I'm really keeping my eye on in this this preseason game and again in the preseason game in New Orleans next week.
- 6:33[SPEAKER_03]: How can you justify keeping a guy as a fifth round pick that has struggled, had fumbling issues, but didn't play in the playout game, got pulled for Tyler Badeh, who missed the majority of the season last year with a back injury, and Tyler Badeh only got to see two snaps or two carries in the game against the Buffalo Bills of the playout game.
- 6:52[SPEAKER_03]: That's the main seems to be on the outside looking here right now because the date is a much better pass protector.
- 6:57[SPEAKER_03]: He has the best vision of any running back on this roster right now.
- 7:00[SPEAKER_03]: Gillil McLaughlin brings a different skill set outside of the day outside of RJ Harvey as that slasher back.
- 7:05[SPEAKER_03]: He showed a little bit of chops as a receiver every now and again at the best, but at least you can show that you can do it.
- 7:10[SPEAKER_03]: And then Blake Watson's making it really hard to justify cutting him.
- 7:13[SPEAKER_03]: With his vision and burst through the hole, the speedy received the receiving back that he is out of the back field.
- 7:18[SPEAKER_03]: Estime is very much on the outside looking at he's going to need to have a big time rest of the preseason.
- 7:24[SPEAKER_03]: Specifically, it's the Cardinals and the New Orleans Saints in these next couple of games.
- 7:28[SPEAKER_03]: Or else he's not going to make this roster just quite like period.
- 7:32[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I did, you were correct that he does say at the end of his quote, he does add next week.
- 7:38[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to play those guys eight to ten plays.
- 7:41[SPEAKER_00]: But he's talking about specific people, not the full starters.
- 7:44[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 7:44[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about specific positions here.
- 7:48[SPEAKER_00]: And so it is, and then, so yeah, they'll play the starters in game three, just not sure how much, but they won't be playing this week, which is only game two for it.
- 7:58[SPEAKER_00]: Now, as for my answer for object estimate, I don't think he makes this roster.
- 8:03[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is very clear the lowest running back on this step chart.
- 8:07[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that can change.
- 8:09[SPEAKER_00]: There are still two games left.
- 8:10[SPEAKER_00]: There are still plenty of practices left.
- 8:11[SPEAKER_00]: So things can still change.
- 8:13[SPEAKER_00]: But I think.
- 8:15[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Jeluma Glock and Glawlin is still on this roster.
- 8:18[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are not overly excited about that.
- 8:22[SPEAKER_00]: But people don't really people often forget Lance and this is one big thing is.
- 8:26[SPEAKER_00]: Jule McLaughlin goes down easily.
- 8:28[SPEAKER_00]: He's can't break arm tackles.
- 8:30[SPEAKER_00]: He broke the most tackles on the Broncos running backslash year.
- 8:32[SPEAKER_00]: He forced the most missed tackles of the Broncos running backslash year.
- 8:36[SPEAKER_00]: He had more than double the number of broken tackles in the next highest running back, which was Giovanni Williams.
- 8:41[SPEAKER_00]: He had eight compared to four.
- 8:43[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those things where there's a lot that the coaches love about him in preseason game.
- 8:50[SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
- 8:51[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, you know, talking out both sides of your mouth here is I've seen a lot of people, you know, like us, we're not super concerned with the way this offense looked and not overly cause for concern.
- 9:03[SPEAKER_00]: And the Angela McLaughlin goes out there and he struggles and there's so much reason to worry.
- 9:07[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to lose a spot and all this.
- 9:08[SPEAKER_00]: Like kind of talking out both sides of your mouth here.
- 9:10[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, as coaches love him, coaches love like he brings.
- 9:13[SPEAKER_00]: He really came on strong last year.
- 9:14[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's making it.
- 9:16[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Tyler Bady and Blake Watson who have also been
- 9:21[SPEAKER_00]: vastly outshining Audrick Estime and are showing more explosiveness.
- 9:27[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Audrick Estime does have going for him to make this roster is that he is the only pure power back that they have.
- 9:33[SPEAKER_00]: He is the only short yard at situation.
- 9:35[SPEAKER_00]: So I wouldn't be surprised at all if they look at keeping them on the on the practice squad and then activating him early on.
- 9:42[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of what they do what they're going to do with Michael Burton putting on the practice squad, activating him using those callups and then going from there.
- 9:49[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of where I think that it's headed for Audrick Estamy.
- 9:53[SPEAKER_00]: And then Phil McGlock also says, I haven't heard how the running backs did in joint practice.
- 9:58[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a lot of people publicly, Lance, talking about the run game, not looking so good in the joint practices.
- 10:05[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say, I've talked to people who are there and a couple of them reporters, couple of them within the team.
- 10:11[SPEAKER_00]: And none of them understand why people are saying that the running game been look as well.
- 10:16[SPEAKER_00]: Was it great?
- 10:17[SPEAKER_00]: Was it fantastic?
- 10:18[SPEAKER_00]: No, but they all of them thought that it was quite good and multiple running backs had really good showings with the runs that they got.
- 10:26[SPEAKER_03]: Sean Payton actually kind of talked about this and the running game how it doesn't quite look as exotic and as explosive as what he kind of talked about with with a change to new more wide zone running and everything like that.
- 10:39[SPEAKER_03]: He also like his biggest point was you don't really get to see it in these joint practices or even in training camp because they're not going full tackle to the ground with these running backs.
- 10:48[SPEAKER_03]: It's all shut up, wrap up, keep everybody off the ground.
- 10:52[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going full contact.
- 10:53[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't get to see a guy like
- 10:55[SPEAKER_03]: J.K.
- 10:55[SPEAKER_03]: Dobbins who has some wiggle to it, you can actually break some tackles.
- 11:00[SPEAKER_03]: RJ Harvey is a guy that finishes runs going forward all the time, even object estimate.
- 11:05[SPEAKER_03]: Another, like you said, the true power back on this roster, he breaks a lot of tackles, you know, so to live with Lockup, again, out in space.
- 11:12[SPEAKER_03]: You're not seeing the big-time results because Sean Peyton says, you know, it's hard to evaluate it when you got a quick whistle in the run game.
- 11:19[SPEAKER_03]: So the referees are stopping the play early to keep players from getting hurt.
- 11:22[SPEAKER_03]: So you're not seeing these guys being able to bounce off these tacklers, you know, maybe extend the play a little bit longer to get that extra two or three yards.
- 11:30[SPEAKER_03]: But from everything that I have heard, it sounds like these running backs are getting three, four, five yards per touch, damn near every time they're touching the ball.
- 11:37[SPEAKER_03]: And Tyler Bade is the one that's really standing out in the Arizona Cardinals joint practice the other day.
- 11:42[SPEAKER_03]: He actually got runs with the ones with Bow Knicks at quarterback with the starting offensive line.
- 11:47[SPEAKER_03]: And it looked like he was really starting to shine and they were getting some really good traction in the running game against that starting Arizona Cardinals defense.
- 11:53[SPEAKER_03]: So give us some time.
- 11:55[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what happens in the actual game action.
- 11:58[SPEAKER_03]: I apologize for my dog's part.
- 11:59[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see it in some actual game action where we're seeing live bullets flying and not just these preseason games either.
- 12:05[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you'll see a little bit of it, but let's get to the regular season to really evaluate this running game in where it stands right.
- 12:12[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to throw in there that Tyler, but it wasn't the only running back who saw action with the ones and joint practices.
- 12:17[SPEAKER_00]: RJ Harvey and Julio McLaughlin, McLaughlin also did.
- 12:20[SPEAKER_00]: They rotated the running backs pretty heavily and joint practice against the Cardinals yesterday with the four of them all seeing some reps with it, which is a pretty good indicator that those are going to be the top four backs.
- 12:30[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just about to say like that's the that's the that's the damning issue with.
- 12:34[SPEAKER_00]: He was the one that did not see any reps with the ones that from what I was an object when object has to be in Blake Watson don't see time with the reps and the other four running backs do.
- 12:42[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good indication speaking of running backs.
- 12:45[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to carry this over into this topic, but leading into that we have running our see us and also be looking for which running back at geese for special teams.
- 12:52[SPEAKER_00]: But a and Watson and McLaughlin.
- 12:55[SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of talk about McLaughlin being another being the other kick returner opposite Marvin Mimbs and using him as that and a lot of focus for me especially has been finding that other receiver Courtney Jackson the undripped Fration has been one but it special teams does play a factor if you are not one of the top two or even sometimes three running backs you got to contribute on special teams Tyler Bade he's a decent special teamer like why said doesn't offer up a lot Jelima Glock McLaughlin we haven't seen him a whole lot um
- 13:25[SPEAKER_00]: So far, returning, I think he's had a couple opportunities throughout his couple years in Denver.
- 13:30[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's one of those things to watch who in this running back room continues to separate themselves.
- 13:35[SPEAKER_00]: Can McLaughlin bounce back and have a good game can beta even keep that good performance and carry it over to the next game can play Quats and build on it in a race.
- 13:44[SPEAKER_00]: He had a couple bad series.
- 13:45[SPEAKER_00]: He had a bad three play stretch against the Cardinals and joint practice and yesterday, including two fumbles, one of which was a botched handoff.
- 13:51[SPEAKER_00]: And can he improve that?
- 13:53[SPEAKER_00]: Can other estimate look vastly improved from what he's shown.
- 13:56[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of eyes on this running back room.
- 13:58[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be surprised if Dobbins and Harvey don't at least get a few snaps in this game, especially with Sean Peyton has talked about with wanting out of these running backs.
- 14:09[SPEAKER_00]: But these other four running backs, they're going to get the bulk of the touches.
- 14:11[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to get the bulk of the snaps.
- 14:14[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is a great opportunity.
- 14:15[SPEAKER_00]: If McLaughlin and Bady want to separate themselves, if Estime and Watson want to catch up, this is their opportunity.
- 14:22[SPEAKER_03]: I think the big thing here, you kind of touched on JK Dobbins and RJ Harvey.
- 14:28[SPEAKER_03]: I would kind of be surprised that JK Dobbins sees action in this game.
- 14:31[SPEAKER_03]: If you get it, it's like one carry.
- 14:34[SPEAKER_03]: with the with the veteran presence there and the injury concerns you already have with them just in my opinion this is my opinion that that speculation is my opinion.
- 14:43[SPEAKER_03]: I would put him on the shelf just get him healthy get him to week one hasn't earned it.
- 14:47[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 14:49[SPEAKER_00]: So my my reason why he showed is one he hasn't earned it.
- 14:52[SPEAKER_00]: And part of why he hasn't earned it is he didn't carry the ball at all week one.
- 14:55[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
- 14:56[SPEAKER_00]: like I would I'm not saying play him for you know multiple series first series whether it be three play three now or a ten play touch on drive first series and then you're done with him at least get him a couple touches
- 15:10[SPEAKER_03]: And that makes sense.
- 15:12[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's probably going to happen next week, but I don't disagree with your necessarily line of thinking.
- 15:16[SPEAKER_03]: It's just my opinion here is I would put them on the shelf at least until next week and then next week when they say, you know, we're going to get the stars, a select handful of starters, not all of them, you know, eight to ten plays, then that's the way you go.
- 15:29[SPEAKER_03]: This is the true evaluation game that you get four guys like RJ Harvey, get him a handful of touches, but then again, Jeliligloffland Tyler today, Blake Watson, obviously guys to make it those guys to pull through the touches.
- 15:40[SPEAKER_03]: Leave Domins out for this game.
- 15:42[SPEAKER_03]: RJ Harvey gives maybe the first series yank him out.
- 15:44[SPEAKER_03]: That's that eight to ten plays for your starter.
- 15:46[SPEAKER_03]: The guy that we consider a starter is what Sean Peyton said.
- 15:49[SPEAKER_03]: If those guys at that eight play stretch let him get out there and get his hands dirty a little bit, then just worry about the depth of the running background in general.
- 15:57[SPEAKER_00]: So with Dobbins with Rapidem up and you mentioned the injury history, it's kind of that double edge sword, right?
- 16:02[SPEAKER_00]: You play him, you risk that injury, you don't play him and his body may not be fully ready for it.
- 16:07[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go out next week and he pulls a hamstring or something like that.
- 16:10[SPEAKER_00]: So either way, it's a double edge sword, so I don't think injuries really matter, but it's again, he hasn't earned it.
- 16:15[SPEAKER_00]: Just go out there, not even like the full series, rotate him with Harvey on the first series and try to get at least each of them one carry and then pull them and rely on the other four
- 16:25[SPEAKER_00]: going to finish out that game.
- 16:27[SPEAKER_00]: But I am not, I'm not for resting starters unless they have earned it.
- 16:33[SPEAKER_00]: And no way shape before him has Dobbins earned it for me.
- 16:36[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I'll come in and say another other media sources have to do the last a lot to do to the unique skills and now return to abilities like you're in mentioned mentioned.
- 16:42[SPEAKER_00]: It's all for running back for and baby was able to make it to the practice squad last year.
- 16:46[SPEAKER_00]: He was, but baby helped himself with that Tampa Bay game last year.
- 16:51[SPEAKER_00]: the back injuries a little bit scary, but then he had that big game against the forty-nine last week.
- 16:57[SPEAKER_00]: And Sean Peyton kind of touched on this, not with Bady, but with McLaughlin, his rookie season where they thought they could really land him on the practice squad, and then he went out and had the hundred twenty-yard game against whoever the opponent was, and they were like, well, that scratch is that.
- 17:10[SPEAKER_00]: We can't no longer do that.
- 17:12[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to be able to sneak him through waivers and get him back on the practice squad.
- 17:16[SPEAKER_00]: So, baby might be at that point where they may have wanted to try to sneak them through waivers and back on the practice squad, but his performance may not allow it.
- 17:25[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just, it's one of those tough things.
- 17:27[SPEAKER_00]: It's how it's why a roster locks and all that are hard to really say and predict because there's so many changing variables in it.
- 17:37[SPEAKER_00]: And even last year, everyone thought Tim Patrick was a lock to make the roster and look what happened there.
- 17:43[SPEAKER_00]: But anybody else, we kind of talked about the running back room as a whole.
- 17:49[SPEAKER_00]: And with talk about Estime and his chances to make the roster, we've mentioned Watson here.
- 17:55[SPEAKER_00]: But last question lines, as we enter this game, how would you put the running back order?
- 18:02[SPEAKER_03]: Like the engine, like the guys make the roster that do the order I want to see.
- 18:06[SPEAKER_00]: Like breaking them for like in the regular season.
- 18:08[SPEAKER_00]: Like how you would like, yeah, that's the order of our regular season and all of them.
- 18:13[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so without seeing JK Dobbins and like like you know, like you said, maybe you had a couple of carries in this game.
- 18:18[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, you had a couple of carries in the New Orleans Saints game.
- 18:21[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what he looks like actually on the field.
- 18:23[SPEAKER_03]: So it's one A, one B, and either order RJ Harvey and JK Dobbins.
- 18:29[SPEAKER_03]: Then it's going to be Julia McLaughlin and then Tyler Badeh is the way that I would order it at least going into the season.
- 18:36[SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't be surprised to see Badeh take over because of his at least ability to step up in past protection.
- 18:42[SPEAKER_03]: He's not in great there yet, but he's getting better.
- 18:45[SPEAKER_03]: Something that you're you're starting to see with him and he does have at least good receiving ability because of the vision given the ball in space.
- 18:54[SPEAKER_03]: It's got burst and wiggle, you can make some guys miss.
- 18:57[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't surprise me to see, but they take over that RBF-three spot, over with Laughlin, and then have my Laughlin be primarily a kick or turner special teams guy, be a spellback, like that slash back that he typically is, but the overall well rounded skill set makes me the like Tyler, but they more as the season progresses.
- 19:16[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then would you have Watson over as the Majorist for the bottom two?
- 19:21[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would have lots of making the practice one and estimations of street free agent coming out of this thing.
- 19:27[SPEAKER_00]: So my thing is is with the running back position is I absolutely hate ordering the depth chart based on third down.
- 19:32[SPEAKER_00]: So when you talk about past protection, when you talk about receiving ability, that's third down.
- 19:35[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how many times running backs caught the ball on first and second down last year?
- 19:39[SPEAKER_03]: I actually don't.
- 19:41[SPEAKER_00]: In the NFL, there was about right around a thousand total catches.
- 19:45[SPEAKER_00]: Five hundred and seven hundred.
- 19:46[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the exact number, but it was something I would say.
- 19:50[SPEAKER_00]: Be conservative, it's about seven hundred and fifty total catches for running backs on third down or in total.
- 19:57[SPEAKER_00]: Less than ten of those came on first and second down.
- 20:02[SPEAKER_00]: or ten percent less than ten percent sorry of those came on first and second down.
- 20:06[SPEAKER_00]: I am not ordering my depth ordering my depth chart based on first and third down.
- 20:12[SPEAKER_00]: I think so I would say I would put Harvey and Dobbins one A then one B which either way there I get it that's fine whatever but Harvey brings more explosive ability to the running game that's what I would do.
- 20:23[SPEAKER_00]: And then with what McLaughlin can do as a running back with his slasher back fitting that role specifically that Peyton likes whereas Bade isn't a slasher back he doesn't fit that role.
- 20:34[SPEAKER_00]: And then Bade is that forked down guy because I think Bade also offers up a little bit more on special teams whereas McLaughlin's a returner.
- 20:41[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bade can also be a cover guy as well.
- 20:44[SPEAKER_00]: But
- 20:45[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.
- 20:46[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Payton will come out and have his order whatever it is.
- 20:49[SPEAKER_00]: And hey, we still have two more games left about it.
- 20:51[SPEAKER_00]: Now moving on to the wide receiver position, I don't expect Portland Sutton or Marvin Mimms to play in this game.
- 20:56[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
- 20:58[SPEAKER_00]: Now with that, that means we'll likely means, I would say, we're going to see a lot of melee even though I think they shouldn't wrap them up as you deal with them dealing with the lower leg injury.
- 21:08[SPEAKER_00]: Try Franklin and Pat Bryant.
- 21:11[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Troy Franklin, he had that one great catch against the Ford Niners, but was relatively quiet outside of that.
- 21:18[SPEAKER_00]: So the receiver I really want to see is Pat Bryant.
- 21:21[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he started off camp, he made some splash plays, but there were some rookie moments, but over, I would say over the last week to ten days, he's really found more consistency with his players receiver.
- 21:31[SPEAKER_00]: He's really gotten the chemistry down with Jared Stitham, and a lot of people out of talk with are saying that he's his, he is Stitham's favorite target.
- 21:39[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really keeping on Pat Bryant to see if he can build off his game against the Fortnite, which wasn't bad.
- 21:45[SPEAKER_00]: He had a bad penalty that ended up taking a big run about from McLaughlin.
- 21:52[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ended up taking a big run off the board for that.
- 21:55[SPEAKER_00]: But he still had two catches for twenty one yards and he still played quite well overall.
- 22:00[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really curious to see what he shows.
- 22:04[SPEAKER_03]: Likewise, this is the one player that I'm most intrigued about.
- 22:07[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, the running back battle is the one position group that I have my eye on going into this game alongside the safety depth.
- 22:13[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what the safety depth looks like.
- 22:15[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to that here on on it.
- 22:16[SPEAKER_03]: But the one player at this receiver room that I really want to get my eyes on again, and I thought that he actually played really well, the holding penalty on the player talking about
- 22:24[SPEAKER_03]: was at a twenty-one twenty-three yard run, something like that that we've often had.
- 22:29[SPEAKER_03]: It would have set the Broncos up inside like a three-yard line or something.
- 22:32[SPEAKER_03]: That's a bad penalty.
- 22:33[SPEAKER_03]: But he's out there doing exactly what you saw at Illinois.
- 22:36[SPEAKER_03]: Kicking ass is a blocker in the run game.
- 22:38[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a little grabby there towards the end of the play when we've often bounced into the outside.
- 22:43[SPEAKER_03]: It happens.
- 22:44[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have that.
- 22:45[SPEAKER_03]: But he showed the ability to get open.
- 22:47[SPEAKER_03]: He was open on multiple different other plays where he actually created a bunch of different separation.
- 22:53[SPEAKER_03]: The route running nuances that he has as a rookie right now are actually really impressive.
- 22:58[SPEAKER_03]: And he's showing that consistency again.
- 23:00[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't any double catches, the two touches that he did get.
- 23:03[SPEAKER_03]: He caught them firmly.
- 23:04[SPEAKER_03]: He got his feet in bounds.
- 23:05[SPEAKER_03]: He had another touch where I thought he actually got the tow drag in there and they ruled it out of bounds.
- 23:10[SPEAKER_03]: But he showed the ability to go and do that as well.
- 23:12[SPEAKER_03]: So with Pat Ryan,
- 23:15[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to get an extended run in the second preseason game.
- 23:17[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm all here for it, man, like I'm excited about what he could be as a player from his proclos team going in the future.
- 23:23[SPEAKER_00]: Now Rodney Garcia coming in and saying, I also don't forget what Philoplynsey said about estimates attitude and about his language in the locker room.
- 23:28[SPEAKER_00]: It's been bad.
- 23:29[SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of people who have shot down Philoplynsey's report.
- 23:34[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sit here and go into about my opinions on Philoplynsey or his report, but let's just say,
- 23:42[SPEAKER_00]: People I've talked with and plenty of other reporters have come out and shot it down and saying that it's not exactly accurate.
- 23:50[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, going on from that, which of the undrafted free agent, right receivers?
- 23:57[SPEAKER_00]: So walking Davis, Courtney Jackson, Kyrie's Rowan, I'll even throw Michael Bandy in there because even though he's not a rookie, he's the one of those guys, which of those bottom five receivers?
- 24:11[SPEAKER_00]: Sure one, Newton being the other one.
- 24:14[SPEAKER_00]: Are you most interested in seeing against the Cardinals?
- 24:17[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, it's, it's, it's, uh, walking Davis.
- 24:20[SPEAKER_03]: So, big, long, lanky, muscular frame, that got some good speed to him.
- 24:26[SPEAKER_03]: And I've heard nothing, but like high praise from most, well, different media members that have been at practice over the course of training camp.
- 24:33[SPEAKER_03]: We got a little bit of a look at him in the first preseason game.
- 24:37[SPEAKER_03]: It was fourth quarter, Sam Ellinger was in a quarterback there.
- 24:40[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember if you got a target or not, I have to go back and take a look at it.
- 24:44[SPEAKER_03]: But that's a guy that I'm really intrigued by.
- 24:47[SPEAKER_03]: Just the height, weight, speed, athleticism, combination that he brings.
- 24:52[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say it's incredibly rare because I mean, there's a lot of players like that.
- 24:56[SPEAKER_03]: But it is special.
- 24:57[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a special type of skill set with a length that he has in his arms.
- 25:00[SPEAKER_03]: He's talking to you guys in our group chat and I'm like, you know, when you watch him out there, the way he's built, he's a little bit thinner, but the guy that I really like in him to the way that he moves is Malcolm Floyd, a former
- 25:12[SPEAKER_03]: Wyoming cowboy who played for a long time with the San Diego Chargers.
- 25:17[SPEAKER_03]: They've got that similar skill set that similar we can take the top off the defensive we need to jump ball skills set that versatility to play on the outside also be kind of a dominating blocker for one of the tack if you need them to.
- 25:28[SPEAKER_03]: That's a guy who really have my eyes on and then you're one new and is the other one.
- 25:32[SPEAKER_03]: Those two guys I've heard a lot about those guys.
- 25:35[SPEAKER_03]: Courtney Jackson had the proper turn but those two guys specifically are the guys that I really want to get a good look at hopefully in the second corner of the second
- 25:43[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm walking Davis.
- 25:45[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy that I don't think is going to make the roster.
- 25:47[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's too tough and too deep right there at the moment, but he's definitely wanting to keep an eye on the practice squad.
- 25:53[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be curious to see if Sean Peyton is told in a Linger or Stitham.
- 25:59[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, don't target walking Davis.
- 26:01[SPEAKER_00]: Don't throw the ball of his way.
- 26:02[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to show him off because we want to try to sneak him through waivers.
- 26:06[SPEAKER_00]: What's your something that coaches do like if they if there's somebody they will intentionally not play them or intentionally go away from them or not use them in certain ways because they don't want to risk losing them on waivers But the one I'm really interested about as Courtney Jackson as you're on Newton is whatever to me I've heard he there's been some flashes, but he's also been like as many flash plays that he's had and camp in training camp and practices and practices
- 26:30[SPEAKER_00]: He said about twice as many bad plays, same with Kyrie's Rowan.
- 26:33[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a super inconsistent out there.
- 26:35[SPEAKER_00]: It's so it's those are tough.
- 26:37[SPEAKER_00]: According Jackson, I think because of what he can bring as a returner as well, it adds that intrigue, but he did have a fumble against the four and nineers, which I think Elinger jumped it, dove in there and recovered did something that can happen never would.
- 26:51[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm really intrigued by him, but both of those walking Davis and Courtney Jackson are really intriguing to me.
- 26:57[SPEAKER_00]: I would not be surprised at all if both of them end up on the practice squad out for this.
- 27:01[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think, again, I just think that the wider receiver room is pretty much locked with the six that we have as being those that make the fifty three.
- 27:09[SPEAKER_03]: going back to the court injection in the fast that he made a couple of bad decisions on the the punts that he was able to to feel the first one he had plenty of room call for a fair catch and you saw as soon as he caught him was like oh you could tell he was frustrated with himself for doing that and on the second one he held on too long kept his eyes up a little bit too long and damn here got killed
- 27:29[SPEAKER_03]: But he made the first two guys miss and had a really nice pot return, showing some lateral agility and some first coming out of his first break.
- 27:36[SPEAKER_03]: So I like the skill set there.
- 27:39[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.
- 27:39[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's something that you can add as dynamic aspect to the back end of this rosters at practice water player.
- 27:45[SPEAKER_03]: But when you have that decision making dude, because one, you had an opportunity to maybe actually take one even further than one you took.
- 27:51[SPEAKER_03]: And then two, the one you did take, you damn your back.
- 27:55[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 27:57[SPEAKER_00]: Quarterback we kind of skipped over it.
- 27:59[SPEAKER_00]: No reason to talk about it.
- 28:00[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Payton kind of talked about how they talked about keeping three quarterbacks.
- 28:03[SPEAKER_00]: Same mailinger has done nothing to deserve it.
- 28:08[SPEAKER_00]: Easy guy that they could probably sneak through the practice squad last year.
- 28:11[SPEAKER_00]: They kept three and they talked about this.
- 28:12[SPEAKER_00]: They kept three because they didn't feel like Zach Wilson would clear waivers and be able to be brought back.
- 28:17[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't see it with Sam Ellinger.
- 28:21[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he goes out there and shows something different, but hey, whatever.
- 28:23[SPEAKER_00]: They have a question and saying that, quite.
- 28:27[SPEAKER_03]: Just one quick question.
- 28:28[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember how the rule works.
- 28:31[SPEAKER_03]: So if you need that emergency third quarterback on game day, do they have to be on the actor?
- 28:35[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to be on the actor roster.
- 28:37[SPEAKER_00]: They did away with the role where the practice squad quarterback can work.
- 28:41[SPEAKER_00]: David coming in saying the writing is on the wall for the roster belief.
- 28:44[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I think there's about twenty five locks to make this roster and I would say on top of that there's about twenty guys that are probably most likely to make it.
- 28:53[SPEAKER_00]: Which is how it is that one's every single year right you typically have about.
- 28:56[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say about thirty eight to forty five players that are pretty much guaranteed to make the roster as well as some of them being guaranteed.
- 29:04[SPEAKER_00]: And then battles for the rest and it's just the kind of the same this year.
- 29:06[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of guys that are still fighting a lot of competition still going on in a lot of depth spots that still need to be revolved.
- 29:12[SPEAKER_00]: or be solved, especially on the defense side of the ball, which we'll get to here, get to after we talk about tight ends and the offensive line.
- 29:18[SPEAKER_00]: Tight ends, Nate Adkins, he's going to be missing time with an injury, which is unfortunate.
- 29:23[SPEAKER_00]: He was the best blocker.
- 29:24[SPEAKER_00]: I think Adam Trottman proved last week against the Fortnite, so he should not be trusted with blocking whatsoever.
- 29:29[SPEAKER_00]: You can directly fault two failed runs by RJ Harvey on Adam Trottman.
- 29:35[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's just going to feel my fire and my rage about Adam Trumpman as a run blocker.
- 29:39[SPEAKER_00]: He's awful guys.
- 29:40[SPEAKER_00]: He's awful.
- 29:42[SPEAKER_00]: Lucas Crow also an awful blocker.
- 29:45[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to get super hyped up about his wide open touchdown that he had where it was definitely a broken beverage.
- 29:51[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still waiting on somebody in the tidying room to step up.
- 29:56[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be anybody, but it's going to be Evan Ingram and then just locked for the rest of it.
- 30:02[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much.
- 30:03[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, when they've run twelve personnel, Evan Ingrams who need to split out widened, I don't think they're really going to run into the teeth of the defense with Adam Trauma and on the front side.
- 30:11[SPEAKER_03]: And you can't trust Evan Ingram to be on the front side of the outside zone.
- 30:15[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't trust him more than Dropman?
- 30:17[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, sure.
- 30:18[SPEAKER_03]: He really tries.
- 30:21[SPEAKER_00]: You have to run blocker more than Dropman.
- 30:23[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I played Titan.
- 30:24[SPEAKER_03]: And I was really about to do that.
- 30:26[SPEAKER_03]: I may only have a hundred pounds of the five.
- 30:27[SPEAKER_03]: I was to say, I'm a hundred and sixty five pounds.
- 30:29[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
- 30:30[SPEAKER_03]: But I could get out there at least go try.
- 30:32[SPEAKER_03]: I might get bullied in the run game, but at least I'm going to put the effort out there.
- 30:36[SPEAKER_03]: Game pre-swarme, the undrafted rookie Titan, caught a touchdown pass from Sam Hillinger, late in the game.
- 30:41[SPEAKER_03]: That's more camp-bodied.
- 30:42[SPEAKER_03]: But if you just run, you got to see a jumping in here on the chat.
- 30:45[SPEAKER_03]: So camp-bodied, I don't even know if he makes the practice squad to tell you the truth.
- 30:50[SPEAKER_03]: He's just a player.
- 30:52[SPEAKER_00]: There was a play where he was running a Titan wheel and it took him about five seconds to break up field.
- 30:58[SPEAKER_00]: He is so slow.
- 31:00[SPEAKER_00]: He is so slow.
- 31:01[SPEAKER_03]: He's big.
- 31:02[SPEAKER_03]: He's a big dude and he moved.
- 31:04[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he doesn't make up for it as a blocker.
- 31:06[SPEAKER_03]: He's up so.
- 31:08[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I got full of that now.
- 31:10[SPEAKER_00]: So it's rough.
- 31:11[SPEAKER_00]: The Titan room is rough guys.
- 31:12[SPEAKER_00]: Like it still is rough.
- 31:15[SPEAKER_00]: All hopes, all dreams, everything lies in Evan and Graham may he stay healthy knock on wood.
- 31:21[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 31:22[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to the offensive line.
- 31:23[SPEAKER_00]: Tackle don't need to talk about it much.
- 31:27[SPEAKER_00]: Matt here played really well as the backup love tackle.
- 31:30[SPEAKER_00]: Pelochesky seems pretty settled as the backup right tackle.
- 31:33[SPEAKER_00]: John Payne doesn't really do this wings.
- 31:35[SPEAKER_00]: Garbles, Mike McLeanchy, those are your starters.
- 31:37[SPEAKER_00]: Do they keep a fifth one?
- 31:39[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you see Frank from twenty yards down field in the end zone on the screenplay, getting called for illegal man down field, probably not.
- 31:47[SPEAKER_00]: The other backup tackles were nothing to write up about to.
- 31:52[SPEAKER_00]: So that in real quick, we have Charlotte coming to ask him about Caleb Bloner.
- 31:56[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Bloner is very clearly a project and shouldn't make the roster.
- 32:00[SPEAKER_00]: He's a project squad there.
- 32:02[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody would claim him.
- 32:05[SPEAKER_00]: And even if somebody did, it is a risk I'm worth taking.
- 32:09[SPEAKER_00]: He's had some moments in camp, but he's thirty seven snaps of college football.
- 32:15[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot that he's got to learn.
- 32:17[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to work with him on the practice squad.
- 32:19[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not wasting a valuable roster spot on Caleb Boehner personally.
- 32:24[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you on that.
- 32:25[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't pressed with his movement skills, though.
- 32:27[SPEAKER_03]: It was a little bit of a flash.
- 32:28[SPEAKER_00]: Former basketball player.
- 32:29[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 32:30[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 32:32[SPEAKER_03]: But to see it on tape though, you can go back and watch it again.
- 32:34[SPEAKER_03]: He there's some flashes there.
- 32:36[SPEAKER_03]: This dude belongs in the NFL.
- 32:38[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be two or three years before he's really a viable threat.
- 32:43[SPEAKER_03]: And if he does get a like a game day call up because someone goes down, Nate Adkins, for example, who had tight rope surgery on his ankle the other day, not going to get that whole process, but he's going to come back and it'll be fine.
- 32:55[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, late game day call-ups, I'm like that loaner could maybe be a player for you on like two or three snaps in the red zone.
- 33:02[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what's going to happen when he hits the field because he is that basketball player with jump ball ability and crazy athleticism.
- 33:10[SPEAKER_03]: You know that they're going to be looking his direction.
- 33:12[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to need to learn one how to run routes, two how to be a blocker and three just to be a better football player overall before he's really a viable option.
- 33:21[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 33:22[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and why, you don't need them when you have Lucas Cole the goat, right?
- 33:28[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 33:28[SPEAKER_00]: Some of you in chat.
- 33:29[SPEAKER_00]: I still remember how you were about.
- 33:30[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my goodness.
- 33:32[SPEAKER_03]: That quote, that quote will live in infamy is one of the dumbest things.
- 33:36[SPEAKER_03]: I think that ever came out of Sean Payton's mouth because people clomped on to that and ran with it for weeks.
- 33:43[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, back up tackle.
- 33:45[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're talking about, I think it's pretty settled.
- 33:47[SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised if the Broncos don't just keep four tackles, you know, paired and Poucheski back on up to two starters.
- 33:54[SPEAKER_00]: Interior offensive line though, this one's interesting, because the three starters last week, including Quinn Miners really struggled against the forty-nineers.
- 34:01[SPEAKER_00]: Khalia Davis of the four-nineers even survived basically lived in the Broncos backfield, multiple runs, absolutely owned Quinn Miners on one of them.
- 34:12[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that Alex Forsyth, he played a bad game, Xavier Tross, he played a bad game, played a bad game, played a bad game.
- 34:19[SPEAKER_00]: There were three guys.
- 34:20[SPEAKER_00]: I think Calvin Throckmorton was fine before he got hurt and had a leave.
- 34:24[SPEAKER_00]: But Nick Gardulo, fun fact, he was the only offensive lineman to play more than one spot last week for the Broncos.
- 34:32[SPEAKER_00]: He played left and right guard stepping, feeling moving over to left guard when Calvin Throck Morton left.
- 34:37[SPEAKER_00]: And he was probably the best offense alignment for the Broncos.
- 34:41[SPEAKER_00]: I've shared some comments that I've had said to me in conversations with him in the morning shows with Nick.
- 34:48[SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy that I'm keeping my eyes on as the Ben Powers replacement after this year.
- 34:52[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's pretty safe to say Ben Powers is in his final year with the Broncos.
- 34:55[SPEAKER_00]: They will come out for this season as a salary cap casualty.
- 35:00[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to give them an extension.
- 35:01[SPEAKER_03]: I've been saying that for the last three weeks.
- 35:04[SPEAKER_00]: You don't extend bad players who aren't worth their contract.
- 35:07[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways.
- 35:08[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Forsyth played bad, everybody else played bad, but the one center, and this is tough because he's like the bottom center, the third shrink center.
- 35:15[SPEAKER_00]: He's going against certain forestrying guys, but let me make sure I pronounce his name right here.
- 35:21[SPEAKER_00]: Got to find it for a second.
- 35:23[SPEAKER_00]: Mahalski.
- 35:24[SPEAKER_00]: Mahalski.
- 35:26[SPEAKER_00]: What's his first name?
- 35:27[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Mahalski.
- 35:28[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Mahalski.
- 35:29[SPEAKER_00]: He played quite well as well.
- 35:31[SPEAKER_00]: He is one that I'm keeping eye on.
- 35:33[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be able to move up the dev chart.
- 35:35[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pretty much cemented that you have Luke Wattonburg as a center, and then as a starter, then out the floor, south behind him.
- 35:41[SPEAKER_00]: But Malhowski is the one as the other one I'm keeping eye on.
- 35:43[SPEAKER_00]: Garjulo and Malhowski.
- 35:46[SPEAKER_03]: Do they keep ten?
- 35:49[SPEAKER_03]: Do they actually do they actually keep tend to do they keep force I found the roster again as that's true back up center.
- 35:55[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this even I kind of talked about it.
- 35:57[SPEAKER_00]: If they don't I will say if they don't I think they go go short on guard keep one true backup guard and then foresight because foresight can also play guard and center and then Paul Chesky can play garden center.
- 36:08[SPEAKER_00]: So they have that dual versatility.
- 36:10[SPEAKER_03]: That was something I brought up to before moving my life and you said, you know that that's kind of a discrumin about the backup swing tackle because they usually do keep you.
- 36:17[SPEAKER_00]: Or Sean Payne for Payne.
- 36:18[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
- 36:19[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 36:19[SPEAKER_03]: And I was talking because I was like, Calvin Throckorton, Nick Argylowe, those guys played pretty well.
- 36:24[SPEAKER_03]: I thought Throckorton played a little bit better and you did.
- 36:27[SPEAKER_03]: He did go down with he got dinged up, they pulled him out.
- 36:30[SPEAKER_03]: Then Garjou was swung over to the left side and played really well on the left side.
- 36:33[SPEAKER_03]: I actually thought you played better on the left than you did on the right.
- 36:37[SPEAKER_03]: But that was like my conversation.
- 36:38[SPEAKER_03]: Do you keep two guards in a backup center or do you keep two guards?
- 36:43[SPEAKER_03]: One guard at a backup center or two guards in a backup center making that roster match is a little bit more tricky because nine offensive live inverses ten that can take away from that six wide receiver.
- 36:52[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a six and six quarter back running back.
- 36:55[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
- 36:56[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
- 36:57[SPEAKER_00]: You pass a blind man.
- 36:58[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like there's a lot of different roster math here.
- 37:00[SPEAKER_03]: So to me, seeing what Darjula can do in this extended action playing on the right and left side to make Calvin Throck, or maybe a player that they need to move on from, or not needing to move on from, but potentially will move on from.
- 37:12[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I don't, I'm not sure he would make it.
- 37:14[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I'm not saying that Garjula would be the swing guard.
- 37:20[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't seem to be the thing of it.
- 37:21[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they would either cut Throckmore and put them on the practice quad.
- 37:25[SPEAKER_00]: Guard Ullo being your backup right guard unless he absolutely goes out and kills it on left guard.
- 37:29[SPEAKER_00]: I think six steps is what he played on left side against four Niners.
- 37:32[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a large enough sample size, but Pau Cheski.
- 37:36[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and foresight, those are the ones that make it comfortable, being able to play, well, foresight being able to play all three to your spots, and the guard tackle versatility from Pauchewski, though the question with Pauchewski is, can he play on the left side of the line?
- 37:50[SPEAKER_00]: He's in a switch from guard to tackle that is right to left, and I don't think Pauchewski's ever played on the left side of the line.
- 37:56[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he did in his rookie season.
- 37:59[SPEAKER_03]: He's unwrapped in free agent, and I thought he'd played a little bit on the left side of free season, and then he broke his hand.
- 38:04[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot on mine.
- 38:05[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's played love tackle in the preseason.
- 38:07[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about in regular season.
- 38:09[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
- 38:09[SPEAKER_03]: What did actually matters?
- 38:10[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 38:11[SPEAKER_03]: And Paul Shotski actually kind of struggled in that that first preseason game against the forty nine or so he wasn't necessarily greatest run blocker had ample of penalties in there too.
- 38:19[SPEAKER_03]: Like it wasn't a great showing for him.
- 38:21[SPEAKER_03]: I was a little bit disappointed.
- 38:22[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it's the first preseason game, not a whole lot to, you know, overreact to, but that's it.
- 38:28[SPEAKER_03]: That is something that goes into the evaluation.
- 38:31[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and looking up he has not played any snaps on the left side and often in regular season or preseason.
- 38:37[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
- 38:38[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he did play on the left side.
- 38:39[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
- 38:40[SPEAKER_03]: I'm wrong all the time.
- 38:41[SPEAKER_03]: You know this.
- 38:42[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the show is I'm always wrong.
- 38:45[SPEAKER_03]: So whatever.
- 38:47[SPEAKER_00]: We have David say coming in and saying you're correct.
- 38:49[SPEAKER_00]: My bad.
- 38:50[SPEAKER_00]: Really tired for medical.
- 38:51[SPEAKER_00]: Hope everything's good with the medical.
- 38:52[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 38:53[SPEAKER_00]: I hope in all as well.
- 38:56[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
- 38:58[SPEAKER_00]: So with the offensive line, we've talked about that defensive line.
- 39:02[SPEAKER_00]: This one's tough because I've been very outspoken about the game Jordan Jackson had.
- 39:06[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't good.
- 39:08[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
- 39:09[SPEAKER_00]: He had one great play against, I believe is on the second series of the four and honors and might have been the first, I can't remember exactly which one.
- 39:20[SPEAKER_00]: But he had a great play early on against the first unit, four and honors offense.
- 39:26[SPEAKER_00]: And then he disappeared until the third came in.
- 39:29[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a tough one.
- 39:31[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see more from him.
- 39:32[SPEAKER_00]: Sabion Jones had a great game as a pass washer, but my god was the liability against the run.
- 39:36[SPEAKER_03]: I was just about to say that.
- 39:38[SPEAKER_00]: Aoma was a wreakay.
- 39:40[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the hype that I had mentioned to me from practices.
- 39:44[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't see it on tape.
- 39:46[SPEAKER_00]: As in the rest of the defensive linemen, they were whatever.
- 39:49[SPEAKER_00]: There was one guy.
- 39:50[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like number seventy two on the defensive line.
- 39:52[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to pull up the roster who actually had like a couple good plays.
- 39:57[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this defensive line, you've got to look for somebody because you can't have Zach Allen play in two games worth a snap more than anybody else and having him miss a couple games at that like he did last year.
- 40:08[SPEAKER_00]: So you got really got to improve the depth on it.
- 40:10[SPEAKER_00]: You got to see more from saving on Jones.
- 40:11[SPEAKER_00]: So my eyes really are on saving on Jones and Jordan Jackson with no Allen and Franklin Myers those two are going to probably be the starters.
- 40:18[SPEAKER_00]: can they take advantage of it and can they show the improvements that they need to can they show the consistency in the case of Jackson to be possibly could even be the third defensive lineman as part of those you know defensive ends behind Allen and more break of Myers over Jones as Jackson has experienced from last year.
- 40:36[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's guaranteed that Jones is that third guy and Jackson this would be a chance for Jackson to earn it.
- 40:42[SPEAKER_00]: But on the flip side, this is also a chance for Jones to run away with it.
- 40:46[SPEAKER_03]: I completely agree with you.
- 40:47[SPEAKER_03]: When we were coming into this conversation, I was, you know, talking about some notes, just some players I wanted to watch.
- 40:53[SPEAKER_03]: You hit on all for it.
- 40:54[SPEAKER_03]: It's in the Omaha Water Regate, it's Sabion Jones, it's Jordan Jackson, those three guys.
- 40:58[SPEAKER_03]: And an underrated aspect of this conversation is the fact that Matt Henning's in Torres Achilles or is it, was it confirmed that he tore his keys?
- 41:06[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so that's another solid and reliable death piece of nothing else.
- 41:11[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a spectacular player.
- 41:12[SPEAKER_00]: He's a project.
- 41:12[SPEAKER_03]: I've been said, at least another death piece that you have for this roster.
- 41:16[SPEAKER_03]: Another guy can call up in the piece somebody gets hurt.
- 41:19[SPEAKER_03]: We really need to see more of Saviour on Jones especially as a run-of-enter.
- 41:22[SPEAKER_03]: He was a completely overwhelmed out there.
- 41:25[SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really bad.
- 41:27[SPEAKER_03]: The flash plays that he had, the padded, the padded, the padded pass that he had for life, scrimmage, I think that was in the second corner.
- 41:32[SPEAKER_03]: The follower recovery late, like those were all great.
- 41:36[SPEAKER_03]: And he did have some chops as a path for us.
- 41:38[SPEAKER_03]: We had a couple of pressures in there, I do believe.
- 41:40[SPEAKER_03]: I know he had the one swim move that was absolutely spectacular.
- 41:43[SPEAKER_03]: But as a run defender, even one on one, he was getting blown off the ball, like three, four yards downfield blown off the ball, completely open a giant gas.
- 41:54[SPEAKER_03]: Fortunately, you know, it was seven, two, and then who was the other defensive line?
- 41:59[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Jackson, at least strong enough, went back to Philadelphia, they had a good game.
- 42:05[SPEAKER_03]: But like,
- 42:06[SPEAKER_03]: Steven Jones, you draft him in the third round as a first player who is essentially the John Franklin Myers replacement going forward if they don't get a deal dealt with him.
- 42:15[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to develop way faster than he has and I'm kind of worried about that to tell you.
- 42:20[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what he looks like in the second game.
- 42:23[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most numbers number two is number seventy five of those Christian Williams.
- 42:27[SPEAKER_00]: He had a couple interesting plays only played it.
- 42:30[SPEAKER_00]: Where was he?
- 42:31[SPEAKER_00]: He only played fifteen snaps.
- 42:33[SPEAKER_00]: Ten of them as a pat as a pat, but he had one against the rod and where big heavy set dude chasing the ball carrier to the sideline.
- 42:39[SPEAKER_00]: And actually was avoiding blockers, which was kind of funny to watch.
- 42:43[SPEAKER_00]: As for the ad rushers,
- 42:47[SPEAKER_00]: What's the guy's name here?
- 42:48[SPEAKER_00]: Nelson is that the new running back or new adressor Garrett Nelson the guy that they signed Garrett wall Garrett no, that's a lineback or not a adressor Garrett Nelson number fifty nine Garrett Nelson.
- 43:05[SPEAKER_00]: He had a really good game on special teams.
- 43:06[SPEAKER_00]: He also had a really good pressure late in the game also playing fifteen saps.
- 43:10[SPEAKER_00]: He looked really good.
- 43:12[SPEAKER_00]: Only thing here is
- 43:14[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be don't expect don't make the need of the play.
- 43:17[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect John to the Cooper to play.
- 43:18[SPEAKER_00]: So the other edges, Q Robinson, again, I'd kind of rest him because he's been dealing with that knee injury.
- 43:24[SPEAKER_00]: I believe is what is some kind of lower body injury.
- 43:26[SPEAKER_03]: He's a person's knee.
- 43:27[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 43:28[SPEAKER_00]: So you have Don'try Tellman.
- 43:29[SPEAKER_00]: You have Garrett Nelson and Andrew Farmer.
- 43:31[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit rough to go through a game with only those three guys, but I would do that.
- 43:35[SPEAKER_00]: And because you got to see a lot more out of Don'try Tellman, he was really bad against the four and honors, absolutely owned as a run defender, which, hey, he was the best run defender of the group last year.
- 43:44[SPEAKER_00]: didn't show it at all and that sometimes he was getting owned by the second unit offensive line of thirty unit offensive line.
- 43:51[SPEAKER_00]: But Garrett Nelson, he actually had a really good games.
- 43:53[SPEAKER_00]: I'm intrigued by what he can do because in Jonah Ellis was probably one of the best defenders that they had on the field last year against forty Niners.
- 44:03[SPEAKER_00]: So Garrett Nelson, he's specifically in the edge room.
- 44:07[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one I want to watch.
- 44:08[SPEAKER_00]: New guy signed like ten days ago, twelve days ago, something like that, and made it impact quickly in not only practice, but in the game.
- 44:17[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 44:18[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it's, I want to see Joan Alice again.
- 44:20[SPEAKER_03]: And what he did last week, as the pass voucher has a run-offender, he's showing a big time step from your one year or two.
- 44:26[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the big things that I want to see with him was tying together more pass vouchers, which he didn't show a whole lot in that aspect.
- 44:32[SPEAKER_03]: But the one big move that everybody knows he had, everyone remembers me saying, you know, his spin move reminded me of the Marcus Ware.
- 44:40[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really what I was trying to say, but it's way, you know,
- 44:43[SPEAKER_03]: He did develop.
- 44:44[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a cross shop.
- 44:45[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a swim movie.
- 44:46[SPEAKER_03]: Show that a little bit in the forty nine hours.
- 44:48[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like he's showing a lot more in the precies and in training camp action as well.
- 44:52[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to see what he actually does.
- 44:54[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to get a good extended run in this game.
- 44:56[SPEAKER_03]: I think him and dog hair teller are going to get a lot.
- 44:59[SPEAKER_03]: Garrett.
- 45:00[SPEAKER_03]: Garrett Wilson.
- 45:01[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.
- 45:02[SPEAKER_03]: I said Garrett Wilson.
- 45:03[SPEAKER_03]: Garrett Nelson.
- 45:04[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't take much notes on him to tell the truth that the tail end of the fourth quarter got absolutely.
- 45:10[SPEAKER_03]: The tail end of the fourth quarter.
- 45:11[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get a chance to go back and watch out again.
- 45:14[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
- 45:14[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take a take notes on that and see what I can see here.
- 45:17[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
- 45:18[SPEAKER_00]: He had a great play on special teams early in the second half.
- 45:22[SPEAKER_00]: Literally caught my eye and then CNN.
- 45:24[SPEAKER_00]: He had a couple good rushes but had one, or he generated a pressure.
- 45:28[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good against run, a couple of plays against run.
- 45:31[SPEAKER_00]: But John Ellis, the big thing for him that he needed to improve on was his run defense.
- 45:34[SPEAKER_00]: He was great against the rod for the Fortniteers, which is really intriguing for him.
- 45:40[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with how little he's been able to really practice because he's been working back from that shoulder surgery.
- 45:45[SPEAKER_00]: Linebacker, no green lot, no singleton.
- 45:48[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are pretty safe beds.
- 45:50[SPEAKER_00]: Just since you're not looked improved against the forty-niners, which again, they didn't play all of their starters.
- 45:56[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't play much of their many of their starters.
- 45:59[SPEAKER_00]: Level Bailey.
- 46:00[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy that I've talked about a lot.
- 46:02[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of hopes in him.
- 46:03[SPEAKER_00]: My god was he bad against the forty-niners.
- 46:06[SPEAKER_00]: You have Karina Reed, who had one big play against in coverage, but hey, he didn't do much else and look rather bad against the against the run.
- 46:15[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you have Jordan Turner who looked really good against the run and had a couple big plays against the run, but look awful in coverage.
- 46:22[SPEAKER_00]: Linebacker is the one position that I think is completely wide open.
- 46:27[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Sanders probably going to land on injury reserve.
- 46:29[SPEAKER_00]: Probably one of those guys that makes the initial roster then goes on injury reserve so they can potentially bring him back.
- 46:35[SPEAKER_00]: Um, which is unfortunate because with the way this lineback room is unit is looking.
- 46:40[SPEAKER_00]: He probably had a good chance to, you know, make the, actually earn his place on the roster instead of getting hurt to land on it.
- 46:46[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 46:46[SPEAKER_00]: Um, despite me counting him out, but hey, this linebacker unit, it's bad.
- 46:52[SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying it's bad.
- 46:54[SPEAKER_00]: It's looking bad.
- 46:55[SPEAKER_00]: Well, someone, I don't care who it is.
- 46:57[SPEAKER_00]: Someone, please step up.
- 47:00[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the availability actually had a decent game.
- 47:03[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't great, but I thought he played, he played all right.
- 47:06[SPEAKER_03]: The current A read intersection, Carter Bradley just completely missed him sitting in a hook zone and threw it directly to him.
- 47:13[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he made a nice catch for sure.
- 47:15[SPEAKER_03]: It was a good play.
- 47:16[SPEAKER_03]: But that was about as easy as it gets.
- 47:18[SPEAKER_03]: There's literally pitching catch.
- 47:19[SPEAKER_00]: It was an athletic movement play where you showed his athleticism to bend exactly to get it with having to move a lot.
- 47:27[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was, it was a nice play for what it was.
- 47:30[SPEAKER_03]: This line back in the room.
- 47:32[SPEAKER_03]: So Mike play of the SPN.
- 47:33[SPEAKER_03]: I've, one of the mentioned this.
- 47:35[SPEAKER_03]: Mike play of the SPN did his position rankings in like ranking the NFL.
- 47:40[SPEAKER_03]: And he had this line back in room as number four in the NFL.
- 47:44[SPEAKER_03]: And the Broncos edge room is number twenty three.
- 47:48[SPEAKER_03]: I think he had a mix up here and he needs to flip those numbers because the edge room for his Broncos team is a hell of a lot better, even with Greenmont and Singleton issue starters, because the depth of this lineback room is absolutely horrendous.
- 48:00[SPEAKER_03]: It's not good.
- 48:01[SPEAKER_03]: We need somebody, anybody.
- 48:04[SPEAKER_03]: I really want to see, because there's been a lot of really good reports coming out of training camp with Level Bailey, and I was kind of underwhelmed.
- 48:11[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he played all right.
- 48:13[SPEAKER_03]: It was okay.
- 48:16[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't back and watch the game and again and again and again because you watched the game eleven freaking times I watched it twice I got halfway through I got halfway through a third time for watching but regardless quickly on Sanders yeah I don't think Sanders was on his way to make the roster and I don't think that the Broncos are willing to worrying about him getting claimed on waivers or not I think they were ready to move on the injury through obviously how he performed in camp would have could have been a variable on here but coming into camp before his injury
- 48:45[SPEAKER_00]: They were ready to move on.
- 48:50[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say that they were ready to move on.
- 48:54[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot going on behind the scenes, Nick and I in the mornings, we've really touched on it.
- 49:00[SPEAKER_00]: But I think with his injury, he's going to be around the Broncos this year.
- 49:04[SPEAKER_00]: The question is does he get put on injury reserve before the roster cutdowns was being said, he misses the whole year.
- 49:10[SPEAKER_00]: or do they wait, carry them over to the fifty-three men roster and then put them on injuries or to where they are eligible, then eligible to call him back off of it and activate them off of injuries.
- 49:20[SPEAKER_00]: That's the question of centers.
- 49:21[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be around this year because of the injury, but I don't think without the injury, barring him drastically being improved, he wasn't making it.
- 49:31[SPEAKER_00]: No, he wasn't released.
- 49:33[SPEAKER_00]: He just hurt.
- 49:35[SPEAKER_03]: There was a, it was a foot connective tissue injury.
- 49:38[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know exactly what that all entirely needs.
- 49:40[SPEAKER_00]: But something that's causing that's going to cause them to miss like four to eight weeks in the regular season.
- 49:44[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
- 49:44[SPEAKER_03]: And you, you touched on, they put them on injury reserves to go into the season.
- 49:50[SPEAKER_03]: That would force them to miss the entire year, but wouldn't that open up?
- 49:53[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much cap savings give you, but wouldn't that open up an injury by out?
- 49:57[SPEAKER_03]: And then he would be just released.
- 49:59[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they could, they could also then go the injury by out, which there's a whole lot of rules there.
- 50:04[SPEAKER_00]: You have to basically pay him for the X amount of weeks that they would project him to miss.
- 50:09[SPEAKER_00]: And from there after that, after that, after that term is done, so if they buy him out for eight weeks, after those eight weeks, he can then be free to sign somewhere else.
- 50:18[SPEAKER_00]: And then after two weeks after that, he would be free to resign with the Broncos as a teams who do the injury by out after weight a little bit extra longer or a little bit more time for that.
- 50:26[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be the other option as well.
- 50:29[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that you don't risk that and because of that extra time and if they wanted to keep them and they would put them on wait and put them on injury reserve later.
- 50:37[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was he on that.
- 50:39[SPEAKER_03]: And but again, what they said what for to eight weeks I thought was the report.
- 50:45[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, four to eight weeks of the regular season is what he's going to miss.
- 50:47[SPEAKER_03]: So it's short term.
- 50:48[SPEAKER_03]: I are candidate for sure, but there's multiple different options.
- 50:54[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
- 50:57[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then with Will Vel Bailey, um, get.
- 51:03[SPEAKER_00]: Dude didn't show the improvements against the Rhonda compared to last year.
- 51:06[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was awful on making reads.
- 51:08[SPEAKER_00]: I got a jump out of here.
- 51:09[SPEAKER_00]: I have a phone call from my mother who has currently has my daughter.
- 51:11[SPEAKER_00]: So I will pass this off to you and give her a call and be right back.
- 51:14[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's all good.
- 51:15[SPEAKER_03]: All right, guys, let's go to the the quarterback position.
- 51:17[SPEAKER_03]: There's a handful of different players on this roster.
- 51:20[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you're not going to see, you know, guys like Pastor Tan, you're not going to see Riley Moss.
- 51:24[SPEAKER_03]: My big question here is, how long does John A. Baron and Jacqueline are familiar with?
- 51:30[SPEAKER_03]: Like those are really the guys that
- 51:33[SPEAKER_03]: Those are your, you know, one A, one B, we consider them starters, but they're not quite starters yet.
- 51:40[SPEAKER_03]: So, how long do those guys see the field?
- 51:43[SPEAKER_03]: And then the big thing here is, how long does Chris Evans brain play?
- 51:49[SPEAKER_03]: What does he show?
- 51:49[SPEAKER_03]: He showed really well in the preseason.
- 51:51[SPEAKER_03]: He showed really well in the, in the game against the, the coordinators, like, he's a guy that is potentially a starter.
- 51:59[SPEAKER_03]: on what thirty one other teams in the NFL.
- 52:01[SPEAKER_03]: So Chris Evans, right?
- 52:03[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
- 52:04[SPEAKER_03]: So like, how long, like I said, I started the soft by saying, excuse me, how long do you see John Aperon?
- 52:12[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a very excuse me.
- 52:14[SPEAKER_03]: How long do you see the quantum field?
- 52:15[SPEAKER_03]: Those are your, you know, one A, one B, your nickel, slack eyes, guys that are like the tail end, not really tail end of the starters, but
- 52:23[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when I want to be, they're considered starters.
- 52:26[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, you know, like Sean Peyton said, they play eight to ten snaps.
- 52:29[SPEAKER_03]: How long do those guys play?
- 52:30[SPEAKER_03]: But before then you go on to guys like Perseverance Drain.
- 52:34[SPEAKER_03]: How does, what's the, the, the cadet will be interception?
- 52:39[SPEAKER_03]: What's his name?
- 52:42[SPEAKER_03]: Josh will pick it.
- 52:43[SPEAKER_03]: Like how far do you get between John A. Baron between Juquanic Mill and to see the other guys that can play the inside outside.
- 52:51[SPEAKER_03]: Josh will pick it comes to mind, Reese Taylor as well.
- 52:54[SPEAKER_03]: Like what does it say?
- 52:55[SPEAKER_00]: It's been done with an injury, so.
- 52:57[SPEAKER_00]: Now, fun fact with Chris Aventrine.
- 52:59[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how many catches he's allowed regular and preseason?
- 53:02[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how many catches he allowed?
- 53:05[SPEAKER_03]: I saw this number.
- 53:06[SPEAKER_03]: It was like three on thirteen targets last year and then one on four or something like that.
- 53:10[SPEAKER_03]: So it only allowed like four.
- 53:12[SPEAKER_00]: He has allowed eight total catches between regular season and preseason game.
- 53:16[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be in targeted twenty eight times.
- 53:20[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.
- 53:21[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty eight targets eight catches allowed between regular season and post season and the regular season last year.
- 53:28[SPEAKER_00]: He allowed only five catches on fifteen targets with an intersection in two passes being broken up.
- 53:37[SPEAKER_00]: Those are insane numbers.
- 53:38[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the guys that are hard to keep around just for depth.
- 53:42[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he's going to replace Riley Moss this year.
- 53:45[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect it, but if Riley Moss has another game I get it against Fort Natters, if he plays that opportunity opens up a little bit, especially with the injury history that Riley Moss has.
- 53:55[SPEAKER_00]: But the I'm not sure Chris A. M. Schrain would be great in the slot.
- 54:04[SPEAKER_00]: He's a boundary guy.
- 54:04[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's got the the size as a run defender to play in the nickel.
- 54:10[SPEAKER_00]: But he is a guy that I'm looking at as a potential mastery placement next year, because he is not showing a guy of we can keep him around his depth forever.
- 54:20[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if teams come calling for a trade for him after this year.
- 54:26[SPEAKER_00]: Then I did catch for how much time you'd play.
- 54:28[SPEAKER_00]: I would play as a day baron for a few series, probably most of the first quarter.
- 54:33[SPEAKER_00]: And I would start him over Macmillan.
- 54:37[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll put in Macmillan for a few series because you have a general idea what he is.
- 54:41[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to bust and lose coverage a few times, so he's going to give you a big play and return at some point.
- 54:45[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
- 54:47[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, Drew Sanders didn't get released.
- 54:50[SPEAKER_00]: He's just hurt.
- 54:52[SPEAKER_00]: Your Sanders didn't get released.
- 54:55[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where that's where that's coming from.
- 54:57[SPEAKER_00]: I think with how with how we're talking, it kind of came.
- 55:00[SPEAKER_00]: Why has got this, but I just want to make sure.
- 55:02[SPEAKER_00]: Dude's ended up not get released.
- 55:03[SPEAKER_00]: We're not saying he got released.
- 55:05[SPEAKER_00]: We're just saying that I think he probably would have had a knockout hurt.
- 55:08[SPEAKER_00]: No, the injury changes things for it.
- 55:11[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that injury happened early in camp, too, is even before the Matt Henningson tours Achilles the other day.
- 55:15[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, what was like on the second day of practice?
- 55:17[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like quite literally, it was one of those things where a lot of people in the media said, well,
- 55:24[SPEAKER_03]: As he's just getting that injury, injury, prone label is going to get thrown at him because he's like, that's kind of where it's at right now.
- 55:32[SPEAKER_03]: And with a player, Eric, you and I've gone back and forth with the tape that he showed playing, coming off the edge was not good.
- 55:45[SPEAKER_03]: You can say that if you want to.
- 55:46[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I know you've said it before.
- 55:48[SPEAKER_00]: It was dog poo.
- 55:49[UNKNOWN]: I put it that way.
- 55:52[SPEAKER_03]: with a player with upside like that with athletic upside length like he's got good size he's got to get him to figure it out between the earholes and the high behind those like that's that's where the big problem that Drew Sanders has and
- 56:06[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you guys touched on this.
- 56:07[SPEAKER_03]: I heard some things through the great fine.
- 56:10[SPEAKER_03]: He's not figuring that out.
- 56:12[SPEAKER_03]: That's the big problem.
- 56:13[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 56:14[SPEAKER_03]: It's not athletic.
- 56:15[SPEAKER_03]: Athletic, if you can do everything you need him to.
- 56:17[SPEAKER_03]: He's just never in the right position.
- 56:18[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't understand how to read his keys.
- 56:20[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know how to attack the football the right way.
- 56:22[SPEAKER_03]: It's like sea ball, chase ball.
- 56:24[SPEAKER_03]: Very, very, very much in his ass.
- 56:26[SPEAKER_03]: And so is there a spot for a player like that in the NFL?
- 56:30[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
- 56:32[SPEAKER_03]: on special teams, maybe.
- 56:34[SPEAKER_00]: Special teams in depth and hope he figures it out.
- 56:36[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a spot for him.
- 56:38[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, he was a guy that the Broncos really liked.
- 56:41[SPEAKER_00]: He's not clicked in form on defense.
- 56:42[SPEAKER_00]: That's with things that I've heard.
- 56:44[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think that they're ready to move on.
- 56:47[SPEAKER_00]: But we do have a question here.
- 56:48[SPEAKER_00]: We have flying anger pig before we get to the safety's asking about the Broncos signing a corner back.
- 56:53[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Abraham, I can't remember the exact name.
- 56:56[SPEAKER_00]: They signed Gregory Jr.
- 56:58[SPEAKER_00]: two days ago.
- 56:59[SPEAKER_00]: He ended up pulling a hamstring.
- 57:00[SPEAKER_00]: They waived injured him.
- 57:01[SPEAKER_00]: today to make room for them.
- 57:03[SPEAKER_00]: They just need another body.
- 57:06[SPEAKER_00]: Like they just need another body of it.
- 57:07[SPEAKER_00]: Restale has been dealing with an injury.
- 57:09[SPEAKER_00]: Another one of their depth corners has been dealing with something.
- 57:12[SPEAKER_00]: So they just need another body to kind of finish out the preseason and practices, not expecting anything more than that.
- 57:18[SPEAKER_00]: As for safety's.
- 57:21[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt we see who found that.
- 57:22[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt we see Jones.
- 57:23[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt we see PJ Locke as he's still working back from a back injury.
- 57:27[SPEAKER_00]: Jail Skinner.
- 57:29[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Franklin, Keidren Smith, Delare and Torneo.
- 57:32[SPEAKER_00]: One of those guys had a good game against the foreigners, the rest of them all looked like they don't belong in the NFL on defense.
- 57:37[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Franklin had a great game on special teams, but defensively he looked lost.
- 57:43[SPEAKER_00]: Jale Skinner had a great game against the two's and three's.
- 57:48[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that he's kind of pushing himself again to be that fourth, I guess safety, I do think that they end up keeping PJ Lock around at this point, depending on how things come back from the back injury, that really throws a wrinkle into it.
- 58:04[SPEAKER_00]: And I am hard pressed to keep another safety outside of special team.
- 58:09[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Franklin for special teams because the Laird tournament was awful.
- 58:12[SPEAKER_00]: Special team Z defense, key to Smith, not a special team's guy made the squad, made the roster last year because of his ball hockey ability had what three interceptions in a bumper recovery last year in the preseason or something like that.
- 58:23[SPEAKER_00]: Two in one game.
- 58:25[SPEAKER_00]: And that helped to make the roster and then he just wasn't viable as an active because he didn't play special teams.
- 58:32[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really tough.
- 58:34[SPEAKER_00]: Safety is like linebacker, but a little bit where you have one guy, stronada linebacker, skinner at safety that have kind of stepped up, but you still need somebody else to step up.
- 58:43[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, jails get her made it really hard to want to get him off this roster with with what he did in the first and second quarter on special themes.
- 58:52[SPEAKER_03]: He was all over the place he had three jackals.
- 58:54[SPEAKER_03]: It was I thought those I thought he had two tackles in the first and second quarter on special teams on kick on on special teams on special things.
- 59:01[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
- 59:01[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I thought you were saying deep.
- 59:03[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he said defense.
- 59:04[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, his special team's worth to it.
- 59:07[SPEAKER_00]: That was the best time of the last year.
- 59:08[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not surprised he's great.
- 59:10[SPEAKER_03]: He's doing it like, he's like, it makes it really hard to move on from a guy like that.
- 59:15[SPEAKER_03]: Even if he doesn't have a huge impact on defense, because you've got talent though, who Fonga, who plays a very similar role to what Jail Skinner would be within this defense, a guy that's going to play closer to the line of scrimmage, be kind of that rangey side to side line backward, not a player that's going to play with death and range on the back end.
- 59:31[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a coverage player.
- 59:32[SPEAKER_03]: But in terms of just running downhill, being a six foot four player with length and size and a heat-seeking missile is a tackler, you can't get much better than that from a safety as it special teeth player.
- 59:44[SPEAKER_03]: I really curious to see what he looks like this week on special teams.
- 59:48[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, if he does that again, I think he's some men's roster spot to tell you the truth.
- 59:54[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say safety three because I think like you said PJ Locke has that more versatility for the defensive side of the football, but he would easily cement himself a safety number four.
- 1:00:02[SPEAKER_03]: Sam Franklin, another player in that.
- 1:00:04[SPEAKER_03]: He had a dumb penalty.
- 1:00:05[SPEAKER_03]: Was that a, was it a passenger figure's penalty that he had?
- 1:00:09[SPEAKER_03]: It was a dumb penalty in the fourth quarter.
- 1:00:12[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's got way early on a patch.
- 1:00:16[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a passing experience with it didn't really matter because by that point the game was completely over, but like you said, another special team's player.
- 1:00:25[SPEAKER_00]: If you think that was the learning from the yellow, not right, not timeframe.
- 1:00:29[SPEAKER_03]: Was it turning yellow?
- 1:00:29[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I got my number.
- 1:00:30[SPEAKER_00]: Or Jason Robinson, one or the two?
- 1:00:32[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know there was a bad special team, a bad play from Sam Franklin specifically.
- 1:00:36[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember it.
- 1:00:37[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a penalty, but regardless, like if you got skaters that four safety, you open up, so what's that?
- 1:00:44[SPEAKER_03]: One, two, three, four, five, six quarterbacks if you keep the Larry Mathis potentially, and then four or safety or do you, is it, to Larry Mathis and Sam Franklin as that last piece of the Ross or Math in the tail end of the second area?
- 1:01:02[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's, that's the question with the safety position.
- 1:01:06[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to, who's going to do what?
- 1:01:07[SPEAKER_00]: How does it play out?
- 1:01:08[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, helping Sam, or helping Jail Skinner as well is with the role they have Tylenol for Tylenol, who fungus kind of this hybrid box linebacker safety that can be versatile.
- 1:01:19[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other safety on this roster that can do that besides Skinner.
- 1:01:23[SPEAKER_00]: And the way they use them is kind of show on that he can he can kind of fill that.
- 1:01:28[SPEAKER_00]: Special teams real quick as we have a question about Krasha is he proving his worth versus not pick one was going to have to.
- 1:01:33[SPEAKER_00]: He punted terribly, but not overly panic.
- 1:01:37[SPEAKER_00]: He's been doing great in camp.
- 1:01:39[SPEAKER_00]: Preseason could have been jitters could have been multiple things.
- 1:01:43[SPEAKER_00]: He's want to watch.
- 1:01:45[SPEAKER_00]: Well, lots the long snapper.
- 1:01:47[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have any competition for any of them.
- 1:01:49[SPEAKER_00]: So Krasha is still one to keep an eye on.
- 1:01:53[SPEAKER_03]: There's been mixed reporting coming out of at a Broncos training camp and it's, there's a certain radio head calling him Croshing.
- 1:02:04[SPEAKER_03]: because one out of every four or five punts is not very good.
- 1:02:08[SPEAKER_03]: But the four other punts that he has are just big, high booming, beautiful, long, big, yeah, big hang time, like touch of five seconds worth of hang time.
- 1:02:20[SPEAKER_03]: But the shanks are coming to like, too consistent in his ability right now.
- 1:02:28[SPEAKER_03]: As we're looking, Australian rules punters, let's be honest here, he's learning how to kick at the NFL level.
- 1:02:34[SPEAKER_00]: And with his evaluation as a rookie, what was the big issue for it?
- 1:02:39[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he can place here.
- 1:02:40[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he can boom it.
- 1:02:41[SPEAKER_00]: The issue was he struggled with consistency in both.
- 1:02:44[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
- 1:02:45[SPEAKER_00]: So if he is, you know, one out of four puns is shanked, not surprised because we kind of saw that in college football as well.
- 1:02:53[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and Darren Rizzi actually came out and talked about that when the coordinator spoke the other day saying, you know, it's like a golfer getting out there on a driving range where you hit four or five really good ones.
- 1:03:03[SPEAKER_03]: They all look long and pretty and then the next one, you just dump into the water like, people were taking that comment completely out of context and making it way worse than what it needs to be.
- 1:03:14[SPEAKER_03]: It's what it is.
- 1:03:15[SPEAKER_03]: It's a rookie punter.
- 1:03:16[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to deal with that.
- 1:03:17[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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- 1:05:43[SPEAKER_03]: No, just a game, guys.
- 1:05:45[SPEAKER_03]: Don't overreact to preseason games.
- 1:05:47[SPEAKER_03]: We always talk about this every single year.
- 1:05:49[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, you see the good reports from campus, you see the bad reports from campus, you see that this player X had great plays today and he struggles in the game.
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- 1:06:13[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get too low until you really get like major injury concerns.
- 1:06:17[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get here.
- 1:06:18[SPEAKER_03]: Major injury concerns or when things are looking absolute disastrous, then you can maybe start to take away some things and have it at that over reaction.
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- 1:06:39[SPEAKER_03]: And as always, go Broncos.
- 1:06:42[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of over reactions, Lance likes to overreact me and making fun of him.
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- 1:06:52[SPEAKER_03]: That's what the call was about, at least I kept a, kept us alive.
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- 1:07:01[SPEAKER_00]: I prefer soloshoes.
- 1:07:02[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that Joe hadn't do DVD by yourself on head.
- 1:07:06[SPEAKER_03]: Gee.
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