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9-30 H3: Mirror Mirror on The Wall, Jordan Eberle Joins & Mirror Con't · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: If Jerry's spot needed to be filled, I'd like to
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: see someone who wouldn't have such a kung fu grip
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  Speaker 2: on the farm system and may be able to make
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: and swing bigger deals. As for manager, I'd like Jason Baratek.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he was part of a Red Sox team
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  Speaker 2: that played loose and fun, like I think this team
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  Speaker 2: wants to be like, but also was serious about their day-to-day.
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  Speaker 3: All right, he ran out of time, but we got
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  Speaker 3: the gist of it.
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  Speaker 1: I like those points.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, keep in mind, talk back. You got 30 seconds
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  Speaker 3: to get your point in. And again, let's keep it
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  Speaker 3: to mirror-mirror topic here, which is the DePoto specific. But
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  Speaker 3: he did give a good reason. And look, this is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everybody that thinks that I just defend Jerry.
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, Anders knows this firsthand, didn't even do the show.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky certainly knew it. Ashley certainly knew it. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that I criticized him harshly for. was
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  Speaker 3: you can't fall in love with all of your prospects. Now, look,
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  Speaker 3: I want to have a strong farm system. And for
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  Speaker 3: those that just want to trade away prospects because prospects
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  Speaker 3: are nothing, you are out of your minds. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers don't just trade away their prospects. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: have a great farm system right now. They just didn't
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  Speaker 3: spend all the way up to the trading deadline just
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  Speaker 3: getting rid of all their prospects. That's how you keep
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  Speaker 3: the engine purring. It's like, if you don't put Earl
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  Speaker 3: in your car, she ain't going to purr for very long.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Earl.
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  Speaker 4: Oil.
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  Speaker 3: To the engine is a strong farm system where you're
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  Speaker 3: constantly churning out cheap, good, young talent, and then you
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  Speaker 3: use your financial resources, you use your payroll, you use
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  Speaker 3: free agency, you use trades to fill in the gaps
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  Speaker 3: that you can't fill in yourself. So I want a
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  Speaker 3: robust farm system, but I do believe Jerry and Justin
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  Speaker 3: got to the point where they fell in love with
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  Speaker 3: all of their prospects. And so let's just start by saying, Anders,
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  Speaker 3: that it's great to have a lot of prospects. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: of course. So credit to Jerry and Justin for having
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  Speaker 3: rebuilt the farm system from the worst in the sport
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  Speaker 3: when they took over to first, then used that first
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  Speaker 3: top group to build a consistent winner, if not a champion,
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  Speaker 3: and now have rebuilt that farm system once again to
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  Speaker 3: maybe not number one, but it's top five. And we
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  Speaker 3: saw some of those players get called up this year,
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  Speaker 3: so that's weakened the ranking as it currently stands. But
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  Speaker 3: we give them credit for having that kind of a
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  Speaker 3: farm system. But yes, I do think that in the
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  Speaker 3: past they've been guilty of falling in love with all
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  Speaker 3: of their prospects. But I'll say this, man, they used
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  Speaker 3: Arroyo and Noelve Marte for Luis Castillo. Great move. They
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  Speaker 3: used Hopkins to get a Rosarina. Fantastic move. And they
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  Speaker 3: use Saint-G and Pete. And Pete's the one I was
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  Speaker 3: worried was going to become good. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: he's one of the hottest prospects right now in the
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  Speaker 3: game to get Brendan Donovan. So they have loosened their
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  Speaker 3: Kung Fu grip. I don't know if we'll ever get
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  Speaker 3: them to not. They're going to have a hard time,
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  Speaker 3: I think, the two of them moving prospects. But they
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  Speaker 3: have at least released their Kung Fu grip on their prospects. Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: You don't really see a ton of prospect for superstar trades.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of the prospect for good player, but
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  Speaker 1: you don't see the Tarek Skubal trade very much. And
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  Speaker 1: the only reason that happened is because he was running
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  Speaker 1: out of a contract, right? Mason Miller is probably the
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  Speaker 1: closest thing in recent years that I've seen to a
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  Speaker 1: prospect for a reliever.
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  Speaker 3: Juan Soto, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. I guess that's true. Yeah. But then
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  Speaker 1: they had to get rid of him again, the Padres.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's another one of those situations.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree with you. There's two steps to that.
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  Speaker 1: And the impressive part to Jerry's building up of the.
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  Speaker 1: farm system is a lot of the times teams that
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  Speaker 1: have bad farm systems that try to turn to good
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  Speaker 1: ones is you're trading away all your current players to
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  Speaker 1: then get prospects from other teams Mariners haven't really ever
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  Speaker 1: done that they've just been really good at drafting and
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  Speaker 1: developing to build that up and you haven't had to
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  Speaker 1: trade away your MLB talent to get to that point
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  Speaker 1: And now the second step of having, yes, you build
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  Speaker 1: the good firm system, number one, then you have to
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  Speaker 1: use it correctly, whether that is calling up the guys
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  Speaker 1: that you feel like can help the Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 1: team now or trading them away to help get someone
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  Speaker 1: who can do that.
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  Speaker 3: And another example of them releasing their kung fu grip,
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  Speaker 3: as you put it. is that they did trade for
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  Speaker 3: rental players, which is something they would never do. And
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  Speaker 3: they have now done that two years in a row
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  Speaker 3: at the trading deadline. Three different players that they brought
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  Speaker 3: in on a rental basis. And that's something that they
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  Speaker 3: weren't doing in the past. So I think that they
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  Speaker 3: have loosened it. But that's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: cutting edge sword because I do want a general manager
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  Speaker 3: who is keeping a healthy, robust farm system at all times.
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  Speaker 3: And they do check that box. But there does come
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  Speaker 3: a point where you can't become the Dallas McPherson angels
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  Speaker 3: once upon a time where they would never trade any
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  Speaker 3: of them. And then they ended up not working. One
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  Speaker 3: of the prospects worked out and that was Darren erstad
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  Speaker 3: once upon a time. So you can't be that team.
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  Speaker 3: You can't be that general manager, but I'd rather have
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  Speaker 3: the guy that can build a farm system than I would. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: even if it comes with, you know, maybe he does
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  Speaker 3: have a tendency to fall in love too much with
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  Speaker 3: his prospects. Let's go to another. What about maybe just
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  Speaker 3: new blood? Jerry lacks new blood. He doesn't have it.
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  Speaker 3: Hasn't had it in a decade. That might be nice.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: New blood. Like just you want someone new.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Is that what that means? Maybe he hasn't had
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  Speaker 3: new blood.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's talking about like with the coaching staff and
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  Speaker 1: made it like, which is what's happening this year, by
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  Speaker 1: the way.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, OK, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of the angle he was trying to take.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of think that makes sense. Yeah. If
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  Speaker 3: that's what if we're if Anders is interpreting that the
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  Speaker 3: right way. Yeah, I think that absolutely has to happen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even when you change from service to Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: you had a lot of the same guys.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're going with people you're familiar with, which is understandable.
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  Speaker 3: You're hiring somebody you want, somebody you're comfortable with. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want to have somebody come in and bulldoze everything
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  Speaker 3: that you think is working well just for the sake
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  Speaker 3: of change. But as Jerry pointed out in his press conference,
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  Speaker 3: we need somebody with new ideas. We need somebody with
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  Speaker 3: new philosophy on culture. I think they are seeking a
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  Speaker 3: new manager. And maybe that has been a criticism, a
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  Speaker 3: worthy criticism of Jerry to have hired two inexperienced managers
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  Speaker 3: in the past, one based off of a relationship that
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  Speaker 3: he'd had for 20 years and And then the other one,
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  Speaker 3: based off of a relationship that his organization had had
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  Speaker 3: for 30 years, and Dan Wilson, new blood? I think
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  Speaker 3: he copped to that. I think he said that in
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  Speaker 3: his press conference. We need to find somebody with some
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  Speaker 3: new ideas that can shake things up a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: that can make us look at things differently. So... If
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  Speaker 3: you're saying, because this is really about Jerry, you'd like
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  Speaker 3: to replace him with somebody that just doesn't have set ways? Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose is the argument. Or maybe not as loyal
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  Speaker 3: to his guys. I think I would want a general
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  Speaker 3: manager that came in and absolutely had a philosophy and
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  Speaker 3: had a short list of people that he thought married
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  Speaker 3: with that philosophy and didn't come in here just trying
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  Speaker 3: to like, this is the way I think. Let me
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  Speaker 3: go get a manager that thinks completely differently of me.
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  Speaker 1: And that kind of was what Dan Wilson was.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, but he, like he said, he'd interviewed him for
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  Speaker 3: 10 years for that job. He knew that they were
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  Speaker 3: mostly on the same page. So no, I want a
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  Speaker 3: general manager that wants somebody that wouldn't, but this is
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  Speaker 3: the case where after doing it this way for 11
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  Speaker 3: years and not getting that ultimate result for it, then
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  Speaker 3: maybe it is time for Jerry and Justin to feel
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  Speaker 3: uncomfortable about some of their philosophies and and bring in
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  Speaker 3: a couple of people that might fight them on a
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  Speaker 3: few things that they've been doing and it hasn't achieved
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  Speaker 3: the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: And I, my next text here kind of piggybacks off
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  Speaker 1: of that. I want a GM who can hire a
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  Speaker 1: better manager to get more out of the team. Seems
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  Speaker 1: like even in our winning windows, window now, we have
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  Speaker 1: more underperforming seasons than overperforming seasons. So yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: an indictment on the manager, but whose job is it
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  Speaker 1: to hire the manager?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a, yeah, yeah, for sure. And look,
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  Speaker 3: they failed with Dan. I don't think Scott Service was
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  Speaker 3: that much of a failure. It was time to let
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  Speaker 3: him go. But this is the team that was supposed
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  Speaker 3: to win the World Series. Dan almost rescued the team
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  Speaker 3: from Scott Service's grasp. And then last year, obviously, we
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  Speaker 3: had some success. But I still thought they underachieved last year.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. At least during the regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Even in the playoffs a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it looked like you were there and
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  Speaker 3: could have taken it and gone to the World Series.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, I mean, do you want some... I guess
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  Speaker 3: the statement is, I want somebody new to make that decision.
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  Speaker 3: He's had two shots at it.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think either one of them have been.
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  Speaker 1: Colossal failures.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you did get some results from Dan
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  Speaker 3: in the first year plus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But this was a colossal failure.
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  Speaker 1: This year.
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  Speaker 3: This season. for sure. So if you're saying, I don't
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  Speaker 3: trust him to make that next hire, I think he's
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  Speaker 3: earned that. I think he's got to wear that one.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I think he's got to go outside
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  Speaker 3: of his comfort zone in order to get somebody that
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  Speaker 3: will push back on his ideals and philosophies. going forward. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Here, how about this one? I want a GM that
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  Speaker 1: stays out of game day decisions. Build a team, then
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  Speaker 1: get out of the way. Your job is to get
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  Speaker 1: the players, not the day-to-day operation on the field.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: This has already been happening. I know. I mean, we
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  Speaker 3: talked about it yesterday. I've talked about it numerous times.
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  Speaker 3: Every organization in the modern era uses analytics, and every
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  Speaker 3: Baseball organization is going to continue to use analytics and
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: every organization has an analytics team. And that analytics team
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  Speaker 3: is to try and find through the numbers, cheat codes
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  Speaker 3: for what might give us an advantage on that given day,
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: on that next pitch, against that next pitcher that you
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: have to face or against that next hitter that you
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  Speaker 3: have to face. Every organization has a team like that.
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  Speaker 3: Every organization will continue to have a team like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then that team introduces on every single day the
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  Speaker 3: data that might help give the team an edge. And
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  Speaker 3: they present that. And every organization is going to have
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  Speaker 3: a general manager or president that's going to say, I
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  Speaker 3: think we should do more of that. I mean, Rich Moore,
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  Speaker 3: our boss, has suggestions for us every Monday on what
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: could be a good segment. But does he ever... make
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  Speaker 3: the decision for me what I put on the airwaves?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Never. And I'm not saying Jerry and Justin haven't on occasion.
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: Adam Jude wrote about this. They have on occasion said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'd really like to see Dom play today. Or I
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: really want to see Josh Rojas play today. We need
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: to see what we got in Josh Rojas. I know
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  Speaker 3: for a fact, well, not for a fact because I
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: don't have it, but I'm certain that That they, at
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  Speaker 3: one point, told Dan Wilson, we got to see what
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  Speaker 3: we have in Rob Refsnyder. He has a history of
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: hitting lefties. We got to see. We got to give
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  Speaker 3: him more chance. We got to see what he can do.
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  Speaker 3: So let's play Refsnyder. That's what we brought him here for.
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  Speaker 3: And then they stuck with him for too long. And
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  Speaker 3: then Dan kept taking him, pinch hitting for him way
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  Speaker 3: too early in games. But those were Dan's decisions. At
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  Speaker 3: that point, that was Dan's decisions. Every manager has been
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  Speaker 3: pointed out by the three people that cover this team
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  Speaker 3: on a daily basis, Adam Jude, Ryan Divish, and Daniel Kramer.
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  Speaker 3: The only three people who aren't hired by the Mariners
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  Speaker 3: who cover them on a daily basis. And they have
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  Speaker 3: all reported that Dan Wilson has had autonomy with the
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  Speaker 3: lineup and with his in-game decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So he's not a puppet. Jerry's not texting him in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of games. And although there are suggestions, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure sometimes, Anders, strong suggestions. Let's play this guy today.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, whose decision? At the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, the lineup and the in-game decisions
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  Speaker 3: were Scott's to make and Dan's to make and will
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: certainly be the next guy's to make. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually somewhat disagree. I think that the thought
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  Speaker 1: process is sound in saying, hey, you don't want someone
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  Speaker 1: who's going to be micromanaging everything with the manager, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he does. But just picking the roster
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  Speaker 1: and then staying out of it, I don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want a manager who, or sorry, a general manager.
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  Speaker 1: They should be involved. Yes. Like we talked about yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a fine line in being over-involved. 100%. And
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  Speaker 3: maybe they have crossed it at times. I don't know that. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But certainly, I've talked to Justin about it. I've talked
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  Speaker 3: to Dan about it. I've talked to Jerry about it.
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  Speaker 3: All three of them. And they've all told me, no,
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  Speaker 3: I have the lineup and I have the endgame decisions.
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  Speaker 3: That's more than what some people who have created the
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  Speaker 3: narrative that he's a puppet have done before. And trying
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: to find out the truth to this ongoing conspiracy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the reasons the Brewers, who everyone loves
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  Speaker 1: to applaud, are so successful is because their general manager,
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  Speaker 1: their manager, and all the players are like, they're on
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  Speaker 1: the same page in what their philosophy is, right? The
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  Speaker 1: general manager puts together the roster, but also is like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: with this roster, this is the kind of strategy we're
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  Speaker 1: going to employ. We're going to be a A contact-heavy team,
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  Speaker 1: very fast, good on defense. We're going to play the matchups,
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  Speaker 1: do all that stuff. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: it's Pat Murphy's decision every single day as to what
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  Speaker 1: to implement and how to implement that said strategy.
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  Speaker 3: And Pat Murphy does... manage with his gut. And Pat
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  Speaker 3: Murphy does do things no other manager, who he has
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  Speaker 3: yanked out his catcher from a game for not hustling.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: His catcher, who takes out their catcher in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of a game for not hustling. So I like that
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  Speaker 3: about him. There's a reason why a lot of managers
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  Speaker 3: don't do it today because players these days are a
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: lot more sensitive about that. Pat Murphy though, make no
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  Speaker 3: mistake about it. And he's the best manager going right now.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: He uses the hell out of analytics. But he also
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  Speaker 3: uses his gut.
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  Speaker 4: Both.
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  Speaker 3: And there are moments where you have to use your gut.
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  Speaker 3: And you know who invented that? Joe Maddon. And for
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: those that act like Joe Maddon is anti-analytics, you're out
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  Speaker 3: of your mind. He was the first manager in baseball
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  Speaker 3: to embrace analytics.
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  Speaker 1: The Rays.
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  Speaker 3: Which is strange because he was on the staff with
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Socia and the Angels when Socia used to throw the
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: analytics in the trash. And that's why Jerry DiPoto and
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Socia didn't get along. And yet Joe Maddon obviously saw
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  Speaker 3: the merits in that, went to the most analytic team
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  Speaker 3: in the entire sport, the Tampa Bay Rays, used the
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  Speaker 3: hell out of analytics, but also managed with his gut.
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  Speaker 3: I know what the numbers say, but I really got
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  Speaker 3: a feeling about this. And you better be good with
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: that gut. Otherwise, you're not going to stick around for
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: very long. But that's the marriage. That's the harmony. That's
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  Speaker 3: the balance that you're seeking in this new modern game
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  Speaker 3: that we have. If you're not using analytics, you are
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  Speaker 3: a dinosaur shivering in the snow. If you're using it
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  Speaker 3: too much and you don't have a gut feel for
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: a situation, or if you can see that a pitcher's
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: tiring but the numbers say I should stick with him,
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  Speaker 3: then you're a fool. There's got to be a harmony
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  Speaker 3: in those two things. elements. We do need a manager
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  Speaker 3: that uses analytics and we also need him to manage
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  Speaker 3: with his gut at times. That's the way it needs
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  Speaker 3: to work. Kevin Cash, Joe Madden, Alex Cora, Stephen Vogt,
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  Speaker 3: Alex Cora, they're all shining examples of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah. All right, we didn't get to as much
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  Speaker 3: as I wanted to. Coming up next, the captain, Jordan Eberle,
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  Speaker 3: joins us here on the eve of the Kraken season.
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  Speaker 3: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Good morning, Captain.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning. How are you guys doing?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: We're doing all right. What does a captain do before
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the big first game of the year? Because you've got
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: to make sure that you're setting an example for everybody else.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Do you take a melatonin so you're the most rested?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Do you make sure you have the biggest piece of
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: chicken so that you are the most nourished? I mean,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: you've got a lot of responsibility starting tomorrow.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: No, no, nothing like that. Um, you know, I think we've,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: we've had a, you know, we've had a long summer
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: off and, uh, obviously training camp went really great. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: think you're just, at this point, you're excited. Um, it's
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: always nice to start the season on the road, usually
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: get together as a group, uh, for dinner and, and
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: then guys go their separate ways, get ready, uh, get
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: some sleep and then we get ready to go. Um,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: you know, it's, it's not, it's not, it's not a
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: sprint in the NHL. It's a marathon. You got to
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: take it day by day, but You know, we finally
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: get a chance to get going tomorrow, and there's a
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: lot of excitement here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: How do you pronounce C-A-L-G-A-R-Y?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Like seagull?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: No, no. C-A-L-G-A-R-Y.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: C-A-G-L-G-A-R-Y. I don't even know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Is it Calgary? Is it Calgary in your vernacular?
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Calgary. No, Calgary. Calgary. Calgary, yeah. I lived there in
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the summertime, actually, Calgary. Yeah, no, Calgary is my second
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: home now to Seattle. It's always nice to start there
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: as well for me. I've got a lot of family
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: and friends that will be at the game.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I hear it's a beautiful city. Too bad you're going
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: to have to kick the snot out of their hockey
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: team tomorrow night, right?
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: That is the plan, for sure.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Jordan Eberle is with us right here on Chuck in
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the Morning. Let's talk about the offseason. We heard from
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Todd Laiweke, the entire organization, about this game plan first.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the offseason to turn over every rock, every stone to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: try to find out why we aren't having more success
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: as an organization on the ice. And yet very little
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: was done to change the roster. It surprised a lot
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: of fans, a lot of talk show hosts, maybe disappointed
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: some fans and talk show hosts that there wasn't much overturned.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But as a member of this team, as a captain
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: of this team, were you happy that there weren't many
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: changes to the roster and you guys get the chance
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: again to prove that you can produce different results this year?
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. I think anytime this season doesn't go well,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: the management and the organization is going to do an
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: audit just to figure out what they can do better.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: As a player, you let them do their things, but
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I'm extremely confident in the group that we have. It's
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: nice having the same coaching staff and a lot of
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: familiarity within the group and moving forward. I think that's
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: going to help us for sure. You know, I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: we have a lot of young players who obviously are
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: going to take huge steps this year. I think we
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: have older players who are, you know, continuing to grow
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and trying to mentor them, but also bringing their A game.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You know, like I said, the way that camp went
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and the way that this team is united right now,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I'm extremely confident and excited about what's.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Ahead of us. What might look different from Lane Lambert
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: to be able to play under the same coach for
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: back-to-back years for the first time in a while? Other
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: than the lack of hair gel that he seems to
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: be using this year, what's going to be different, do
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you think, in year number two of the Lane Lambert
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: experience for you and your teammates?
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Well, we tweaked a couple of things, our neutral zone
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and our forecheck a little bit. You're always trying to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: copycat league. Obviously, you see the Carolina Hurricanes who I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: had so much success in the playoffs last year. You know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you try to, you know, emulate a little bit of
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: what they did, but at the end of the day,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: you know, just having familiarity, guys know exactly what to expect.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: There's no gray area in our system. Everyone should know
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: exactly what they're doing. For us to have success, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: we need to be connected and we need to be
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: all on board and playing the right way. And I
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: think we will be. So, you know, like I said,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I think that guys are going to have some big years,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: take some massive steps. And just having the same coaching
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: staff and guys feeling a little bit more confident within
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: the group and confident with each other, you know, things
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: are going to grow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: If you could trust that they wouldn't hear it and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't go to their young heads, if you were
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to just whisper to us, some young player that you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: think is going to take a big step forward, as
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you can see it, who might that be?
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of names for sure. I mean,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Berkeley Catton, who got a year under his belt last year.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: He's a young kid still. He's only 20 years old.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: A guy we picked up from... From Florida, Mackie Semskovich.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a great young player. He's got a
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: lot of talent. He's going to get an opportunity here. Obviously,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Matty's still a young player. I know everyone thinks he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: been here for a while, but he's still a young guy.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: You know, we have a lot of good young players.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Riker Evans is going to take a step this year
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and And like I mentioned, I think at the end
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of the day, everyone just needs to be better. We
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: understand that. And I think on top of that, like
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I said, I think just like I keep reiterating the
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: fact that Lane's been here for another year. We all
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: know his messaging. We all know the details, the way
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: that we need to play. And now it's time to.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Get it done.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: You're coming off a 26-goal season, 55 points on the year,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: so still playing at a high level at age 36.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: But what do you do? What do you have to
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: adjust now that you've got a few years under your
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: belt in the National Hockey League to make sure that
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you stay on top of your game at this stage
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: in your career?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Well, the game has gotten so much faster since I
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: came in, you know, these, the kids, they, there's, there's,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I would say there's less hitting and it's more skill-based game.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It's faster guys. Everyone can skate in this league. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: know as you get older, you obviously have to maintain
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: your foot speed. I think that's priority one, but your
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: brain gets quicker. You figure out how to play this
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: game at this level. You know, you try to slow
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: things down in your head and use your feet to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: your advantage. So, you know, I've, I've obviously have a
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: lot of experience. I've played a long time. But things change.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: You have to adapt. I think that's the biggest thing.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: As you get older, you have to adapt. You have
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to figure out ways to score goals. You have to
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: figure out ways to be effective at an older age.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I love it. I enjoy this game probably more than
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I did when I was younger. I enjoy coming to
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: the rink. I enjoy being around the guys. That passion
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: for hockey for me is still there, and I'm sure
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: it will be for a long time.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Do you know your line mates, or does that have
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to stay under lock and key until tomorrow?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I do. Yeah, I'm sure it's under lock and key.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: I'm sure once morning skate hits tomorrow, it'll come out.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: If we just did a series of guessing, would you
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: cough when we're right? If I just rattled off a
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: bunch of players, would you just cough when we got
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to the right line mates that you're going to have
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: You know what? At the end of the day, I've
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: played with most of these forwards up front. I have
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: chemistry with all of them. So I know most of
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: their games. I know what to expect. Lines change throughout
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: the season, and I'm sure it will be no different.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: What is your expectation for this season? If you're talking
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: to a Kraken fan, what can we expect to see
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: out of this team in 2026 and 2027?
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I think you're going to see a team that competes,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: a team that we finish playing, teams we play against,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: we'll say that's a hard team to play against. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: think the ultimate goal at the end of the day
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: is to get the best out of this group. If
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: we do that in our division, there's a very good
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: chance we'll be in the playoffs. I've always been under
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the impression that you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: That's a long road ahead. I think we start tomorrow, obviously,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: with game one. You go from there and you build.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: We're no different. I know that there's a lot of
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: fire in this group, a lot of wanting to prove
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: people wrong and the expectations. I'm excited about that as well.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Do you have any opening day rituals that you do
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: every single year?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, none for me.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you hockey guys are the most superstitious
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: people on the planet, and you don't have an opening
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: day ritual at this stage in your career?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I'm superstitious. I'm definitely routine-based. I have
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: a routine that I've gone through for many years on
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a game day and stuck to it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right. Well, at least polish the C on
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: your jersey before the game starts. Give it a little
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: rub there. All right, man. Have a great game tomorrow.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Have a great season. Thank you so much for some
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: of your time here today.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: All right. Jordan Eberle joining us right here on Chuck
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: in the Mornings. Again, Kraken Hockey. It starts for real, though.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow against the Calgary Flames. Yeah, I know.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It's not Calgary. Yeah. I realize that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: You like pronouncing it that way.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I like it that way.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It's fun. It's just more fun that way.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Furness used to do the same thing. Is that right?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. See, if it's good enough for Furness, it's good
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: enough for me. There you go. 6.30 is the game
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: time tomorrow. Of course, Mike Benton on the pregame. Are
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: they going to do an extended? Is it like 5.30,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: like an hour pregame or anything tomorrow or normal?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Mike would love that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: We'll have to kind of find out. He would start
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: at 5 a.m.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: All right, so enjoy. We're going to talk to Al Kaneski.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: We're not done with Kraken Hockey today. We'll talk to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: him coming up at 9.30, and Everett's going to join
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: us tomorrow on actual game day. Coming up next, though,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: on the radio program, I was going to do something else,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: but there's just too much left unsaid about our previous
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Mirror Mirror topic, so we're going to dive back into
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: that for a few minutes on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: retweeted a quote from Jerry DePoto who said, multiple players
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: who've come through our system have referenced what they learned
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: in player development that got abandoned in the big leagues
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: this year. That should never happen. And it is. That's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: on Jerry's watch. Yes. And he should have authority over that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: For those that think that it's just puppetry, as has
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: been mentioned so often, then why would that ever happen
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: if it was just puppetry? That would never happen, would it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: If Jerry was calling all the shots, would he not
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: make sure that what he was teaching in the farm
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: system that Dan and Kevin Seitzer and the coaching staff
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: continued that once they got to the major league? So
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: that kind of blows that whole theory. I mean, I've
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: tried to blow that theory out of the water so
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: many times. People don't want to believe it. People don't
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: want to buy it. If that doesn't tell you, then
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know what does. The truth of the matter is,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Jerry probably erred on not involving himself enough with the
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: day-to-day operation of the team. Probably should have inserted himself more,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: but from what I gather, that was the negotiation when
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Dan agreed. He didn't want to be micromanaged. He wanted
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: to have autonomy on lineup decisions and in-game decisions. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: so if this doesn't hammer that home, then I don't
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: know what would.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it creates miscommunications and kind of a lack
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of identity for when you have a piggyback, good example, where,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like you said, everyone had basically agreed to it, but
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: because the manager didn't communicate that correctly with his players.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: That were going to be affected by.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Right it became a whole big deal situation where everyone
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is ticked off by it and jerry had.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: To fly into the city ask dan for permission to
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: talk to everyone And then once he explained it, everybody
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was in a better place with it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But that whole communication element of it just never happened.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It's as if Dan didn't want to tell Luis Castillo, hey,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I might take you out midway through the game. What
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: if he gets mad at me? Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It's not like I want my general manager or president
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: That hands-on where he's the one talking to the players 24-7.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Of course not. No, that's not what we're saying. Which
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: is what he's trying to avoid.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: But you want to be on the same page as
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: your manager.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: And it sounds like they weren't on the same page
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: because Jerry was trying to respect that boundary that they
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: had created before. And then he should have at some point,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: like I said at the All-Star break, obliterated that boundary
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and fired him and started over with somebody else.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: That's what he should have done.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: And that was a totally bogus comment by him two
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: days ago. Like, well, in-season managerial decisions are really... Those
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: are difficult.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Because three teams did it and got better immediately. Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: During the course of the season. Two of them are
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: still playing right now. That is just crap. That's just hogwash. Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: That was, you cherished the relationship with Dan so much
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that you couldn't do that to him. Yeah. Even at
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the expense of fixing the season. Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the negatives, I think, from the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Price Conference on Monday was.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think he overvalued that for sure.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: There was a suggestion that we talked about analytics that
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Dan only used analytics. I want to clear this up too,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: because this is... Lefty-righty platoons are not analytics. Lefty-righty platoons
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: have been around since Casey Stengel. That's the 40s, people.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I lefty righty platoons are used by every team in
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: major league baseball. That is not new school stuff. That
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: is old school stuff. That is Tony La Russa and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Whitey Herzog. Whitey Herzog would take his lefty reliever and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: he would pitch him to a lefty, then put him
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: in left field. Because a righty was coming up, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: he would bring a righty in to face the righty
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: and then go back to his lefty who's in left field.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Let's get through one at bat. That lefty-lefty matchup. Analytics
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: is something that says, hey, it's not as cut and
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: dry as this lefty gets lefty hitters out. Sometimes there
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: are things called reverse splits. So lefty-righty platoons are just
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: playing the percentages. I want a lefty, I want a
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: righty to occupy one spot so that when we do
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: face the Chris Sales of the world, I want a
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: righty to face the Chris Sale. But that's old school stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: The changes that Dan was making in-game, benching Luke Raley
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: in the third inning because, hey, we got a lefty in.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: We better put Rob Refsnyder in the game. That's not
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: That's not analytics. That's just faulty managing at that point.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: So that needs to be corrected, too. That's another narrative
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that is run wild out there. The Dodgers and the
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Rays use platooning more than anybody else, and they are
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the two most successful franchises. Right now in the sport, arguably.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: And so that's not analytics saying you've got to get
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: a lefty and a righty. That's old school management.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: The whole point of using data is to... have information
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that tells you what to do in situations or gives
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you suggestions on what would happen if you do something
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: other than just if there's a righty in the game,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we put a lefty at the bat. That's way too
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: surface level for any sort of data to back up.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: There are plenty of reasons where you would keep Dom
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Canzone in a game versus a left-handed pitcher.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Long before analytics. Long before analytics. We use numbers to
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: try and figure out. We use statistics. That's why we
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: keep these statistics. To try to figure out what gives
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: us the better chance to succeed. Not just for the game,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: but in that moment. That's what baseball is. Playing the percentages.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's been like that. Everybody listening right now, your entire lives,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: that's the way that it's been. Playing the percentages. Maybe
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: there's some people over 80 where it wasn't that way.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Most people that are listening right now That's the way
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: that the game has been played, trying to put the
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: right person in position to have an advantage in that moment,
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  Speaker 3: or to at least diminish their advantage in that moment.
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  Speaker 3: That's how the sport has worked. Analytics just gave us
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  Speaker 3: new ways of looking at where the advantages are and
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  Speaker 3: what can be taken advantage of from pitch to pitch,
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  Speaker 3: much less at bat to bat, much less inning to inning,
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  Speaker 3: much less game to game. People need to know when
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  Speaker 3: they're saying all we do is use analytics. That couldn't
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  Speaker 3: be further from the truth. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 3: that's another thing that probably Dan was guilty of. He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't using it enough. Or not using it correctly. Or
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  Speaker 3: not using it correctly. Yes, that's probably the answer. Was
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  Speaker 3: not using it correctly. All right. We have all off
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  Speaker 3: season to talk about this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We'll continue.
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  Speaker 3: We have all next segment to talk Huskies football with
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  Speaker 3: Cam Cleland on KJR.