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Something Strange is Afoot: The Salish Sea Feet Mysteries | Rainy Day Rabbit Holes · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  [Music]
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  Welcome to Rainy Day Rabbit Holes, a uniquely Pacific Northwest podcast.
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  I'm Shea, I'm Jody, and on each episode we will be sharing the mysterious, quirky,
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  and fascinating stories of PNW.
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  So grab your North Face jacket, strap on your TV as grab yourself a cup of Northwest
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  roasted coffee and let's fall down the rabbit hole.
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  Jody, what would you do if you found a human foot on the beach?
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  Be paralyzed with fear.
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  And then go in action.
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  Have I got a story for you?
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  The Pacific Northwest never fails to deliver on weirdness.
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  We've got a ton of serial killers, cults, and now disembodied feet on the beach.
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  It's creepy, it is.
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  And on today's episode, we're going to talk about the Salish Sea Human Foot Discoveries.
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  Okay, Jody, you ready to get into some weird stuff?
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  Oh, I love weird stuff.
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  This is why we got started on this.
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  I know.
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  I know.
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  I know.
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  Right here.
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  Weird stuff.
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  Weird stuff.
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  Okay.
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  Our story takes us up North to our much nicer neighbors in Vancouver, British Columbia.
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  Much nicer neighbors.
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  That's Canada.
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  Yeah, they are very much known for their niceness.
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  So on the shores of False Creek Bay, not far from Grandville Island, is a cobblestone
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  shopping plaza with a giant anvil art installation.
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  So you know an anvil, something that you would hit a hammer on.
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  It's giant.
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  It's like 20 feet tall.
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  It's huge.
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  Well, who's running that show?
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  Well, it's a run of that anvil.
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  It's an art installation.
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  Oh, okay.
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  It just sits there.
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  Here, you can sit and enjoy views of Vancouver Skyline.
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  Or admire the many sailboats in the Marina, the name of the shopping plaza.
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  Get this.
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  Leg in boot square.
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  Leg in boot square.
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  Leg hyphen in hyphen boot square.
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  I feel like somebody made the name up one day when they were trying to remind themself what
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  they were supposed to do in the morning.
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  I got to put my leg in the boot.
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  I got to put my leg in the boot.
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  I'm making a note of that.
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  Everywhere on first square.
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  And now it's the name, which makes you wonder how it came to be named leg in boot square.
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  Okay.
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  I have a feeling based on our intro.
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  It's not about putting one leg in at a time.
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  Nope.
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  It's not like putting your pants on one leg at a time.
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  It's not about putting one boot on at a time.
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  I have a feeling that's a whole different story.
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  It is.
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  So here's the story.
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  In the summer of 1886, our favorite time period.
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  I had no idea we go back this far.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Well, we started this journey.
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  Hey, for those that don't know, Shane, I don't tell each other our rabbit holes.
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  So literally what she is bringing to me, I am hearing for the first time.
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  Yeah.
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  I had no, I knew this story was coming.
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  I had no idea.
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  I went back that far.
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  Well, and we do seem to hang out a lot in the late 1800s in our podcast, don't we?
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  We did the Chinatown.
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  We did the beginning of the immigrants here in the Pacific North.
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  Yes, we really like we like that old history.
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  We like that night.
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  Or excuse me, 1880s time.
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  OK.
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  So in the summer of 1886, not long after the Great Fire that destroyed much of Vancouver,
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  a half of a human leg washed up on the shore of false creek, still wearing a knee high leather
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  boot.
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  They were female.
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  You know, they didn't at least the boot.
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  They did not say I'm assuming mail.
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  OK.
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  Because remember, they made skirt and high heels so that women couldn't run away.
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  Oh, right, right, right.
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  That's why I got a picture of a high heel boot or do I picture a dude heel boot?
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  I think it's a dude heel boot.
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  OK.
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  There was no sign of the rest of the body.
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  Vancouver police department constables were baffled.
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  But you know what?
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  Detective work is really hard.
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  You know, it's easier than actually pounding the pavement looking for answers.
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  Oh, can I guess?
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  Sure.
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  Making assumptions and going with it.
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  Or letting the answers come to you.
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  Oh, oh.
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  I've been watching too much ID channel.
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  At this time, the police station headquarters was a tent at the foot of Carroll Street, thanks
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  to the recent fire.
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  So they mounted the leg to a pole outside their quote unquote headquarters and just waited
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  for someone to come and claim it.
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  What?
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  Like you recognize this?
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  What?
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  Does this belong to you?
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  It's in the lost and found.
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  OK.
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  I had to do like digging through the lost and found through coats and water bottles.
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  I've been looking for this everywhere.
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  Oh my god.
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  I forgot I left this year.
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  Oh my god.
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  What?
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  OK.
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  And at what point does it stink?
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  Well, and they're at hung for two weeks rotting and stinking.
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  But it was the 1880s.
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  So everything probably smelled really bad.
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  So it kind of just blended in with the feces that were probably in the gutter.
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  And right, we used to let our livestock just roam the streets, let in there.
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  Well, and if a fire had burnt down and there's no sanitation, the gutters are flowing with
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  human feces too, I'm sure.
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  It was a real sexy time.
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  Let's go back there.
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  Let's make America great again.
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  You know, 1880s.
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  You know, sorry.
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  You're going to probably have to cut that, but yes, this is what I think every time somebody
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  says that, let's make America great again.
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  Make America great again.
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  Like for fucking who?
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  Right.
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  OK.
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  So not even you.
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  Like literally not even you.
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  You're in swimming and sewage right now.
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  Bathing was like once a week of air if you were rich.
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  OK.
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  All right.
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  So it was already in an advanced state of Decomp when they found it.
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  That's what I'm saying.
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  I can only imagine what it smelled like after two weeks in the summer sun.
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  Oh my god.
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  This was in the summer.
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  And it washed up on the shore.
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  So it'd been in the Sailor Sea, which I do love, but does have its own smell.
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  So it's already been decaying in the Sailor Sea.
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  And then they nail it up to a pole and let it sit there in the August.
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  Found, found January 24th on this beach.
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  Is this yours?
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  So when no one-legged man showed up, they just threw it away.
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  Some stories say they gave it to a dog, but I think that's a little sailor sea.
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  I think that's a little sailor sea.
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  I think that's a little salacious.
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  Salacious.
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  Salacious.
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  We start that over.
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  So like, they gave it-- so one rumor is they gave it to a dog to like eat.
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  I'm assuming it was just one.
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  I mean, it was just one.
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  One blurb.
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  OK.
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  So that story--
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  That story.
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  I'm like, this is a three-legged dog story that may not be completely accurate.
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  I found accounts that discredit this story possibly.
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  Like the whole story.
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  Well, not just the dog part.
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  But there was telling that perhaps they found more than just the leg that they didn't
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  hang it out on a pole for two weeks.
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  It may not be completely accurate, but it was a good enough of a story to name this shopping
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  plaza after it.
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  Well, it's a legend now.
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  And that was true or not.
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  It's a legend.
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  It makes a great story.
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  Yeah.
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  And that was not the last time a disarticulated foot was found on Vancouver shores.
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  Wow.
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  But first, we're going to take a little bit.
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  A break.
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  Because I want to share with you a podcast that I discovered this week.
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  Oh, wow.
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  It is quickly becoming one of my favorites.
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  Because you know, I love messed up stories in history.
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  Right.
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  And I think that our listeners, you too, I mean, that's where they're here, right?
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  Yes.
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  They're not just here for vanilla history, right?
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  They want to know the weird, the wacky, and the best up.
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  And this podcast delivers just that.
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  It's called "Fed Up History."
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  It's E-F-F-E-D-F-T-Up History.
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  It's hosted by Christina Yeager, who is a historian specializing in the early modern
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  which trials.
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  We're talking like 1700s, 1600s, 1700s.
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  That is very special.
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  That is very special.
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  Salem type.
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  Exactly.
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  The podcast tells stories from history and myths that are super F-Depth.
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  I really, really love this podcast because she gives hilarious commentary on these messed-up
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  tales.
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  She's sarcastic and she goes on her hands with lots of swearing.
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  Love it.
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  It's perfect for me.
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  Yes.
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  Perfect.
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  Yes.
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  I'm a fan.
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  She's got episodes covering not only the Salem witch trials, but stories about the mythologies
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  of the zodiac, cryptids, Hamilton, the tutors, Norse gods, Troy, you name it.
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  And you can find her podcast on Spotify and all the things wherever you get your podcasts.
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  You can even go to her F-Depth History website to listen to the episodes there.
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  And that's F-Depth History starting with an E.
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  E-S-F-E-D.
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  F-F-E-D.
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  F-D-Up History.
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  It is definitely one of my favorite podcasts to listen to right now.
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  I love her commentary.
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  She's fantastic.
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  So definitely go listen to F-Depth History herself.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  Well, we should get back to the Salish Sea human foot discoveries.
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  What do you think?
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  All right.
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  Let's do it.
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  I'm so glad you dived in because I was like, what is this?
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  Why?
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  And how?
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  And why is it not a bigger deal?
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  Please tell me.
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  Okay.
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  So first off, I want to let you know that I am keeping account of all the feet we're talking
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  about.
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  So at the end, we will wrap it up.
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  Excellent.
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  So we've already talked about foot number one, which when you read about--
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  Oh, big.
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  When you read about this online, it often does not include the two feet that that were
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  found before 2007, but I'm including them here.
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  Okay.
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  Because I think it's a good part of the history.
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  All right.
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  So according to a Wikipedia page dedicated to this mystery, which is literally just called
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  the Salish Sea human foot discoveries.
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  It's very thorough.
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  And this was the source for much of this episode.
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  The Vancouver Sun reported on July 30, 1914 that another leg in a high boot was discovered
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  on a beach near the mouth of the Salmon River.
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  All right.
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  Fast forward to the summer of 2007, so almost a hundred years later.
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  On August 20, a little 12-year-old girl was walking on a beach on Jebedaya Island in
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  British Columbia with her family.
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  She came across a blue and white Adidas-- or excuse me, as my brother says, an Adidas sneaker.
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  Of course he does.
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  She came across a--
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  She came across a blue and white Adidas sneaker.
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  And as many curious kids do, she peaked inside.
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  She was horrified to discover that it contained a man's right foot.
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  It was a size 12 and was later identified as belonging to a missing man who had been suffering
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  from depression.
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  Size 12.
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  How tall was this man?
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  Well, that's not that.
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  I mean, that's a pretty normal size.
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  As we will see.
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  I'm going to keep going.
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  As we will see.
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  S-E-A.
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  Oh, dead joke.
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  All right.
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  And you're not even one.
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  Oh my god, nailed it.
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  All these six days later, another man's right foot in another size 12 white re-bok was discovered
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  by a couple of Gabriola Island in British Columbia.
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  Police were stunned to being found in such a short period of time as suspicious.
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  How far apart again?
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  Six days.
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  Six days, wow.
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  So, quote, "To being found in such a short period of time as suspicious."
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  "Gerry Cox."
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  Of the Royal Canadian Mountain Police.
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  I'm going to put a shoe size 12.
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  Because the foot, the core is fun to the sides of the Gary Cox.
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  Okay, I'm a nurse.
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  I'm telling you, it's hands.
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  No.
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  And hands do.
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  So, Bigfoot should have a, okay, 100%.
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  We've talked about this before.
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  You'll be able to get that special episode of Beatrie-O.
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  So, Gary Cox said that two being found in such a short period of time is suspicious.
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  Finding one foot is like a million to one odds.
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  But to find two is crazy.
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  I've heard of dancers with two left feet.
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  But come on.
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  Oh.
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  But, um, bump.
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  King of the dad jokes.
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  On June 16, 2008, a man's left foot now in a size 11 high top shoe was found on West Ham Island.
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  High top.
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  More foot.
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  Exactly.
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  It was later determined that this was the match to the foot found on February 8th on Valdez Island.
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  Both feet now.
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  Yes, it is bonkers that both feet were not only found but found on different islands.
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  The remains were later identified as a 24 year old Surrey man who had been reported missing
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  four years earlier.
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  That's insane.
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  So like both feet, both feet, different islands, different areas.
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  There were four years after he had been reported missing and they think that it was a death
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  by suicide.
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  Dang.
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  But nothing else about this man has been found just his two shoes.
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  I couldn't find anything.
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  I didn't see anything.
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  I didn't look very hard though either.
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  Okay.
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  On August 1st, 2008, a right foot inside a man's size 11 black shoe was discovered in seaweed.
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  It was covered in seaweed on a beach near fished Washington.
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  Are you familiar with P Y S H T fished.
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  I've never heard of fish.
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  I live in Washington.
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  It's a noise.
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  Have you ever heard of fished?
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  No.
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  I've lived here my of weird names in Washington.
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  All but two years of be the weirdest.
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  All but four years of my life.
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  The first two and a couple two in the middle.
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  I've lived here my whole life and I've not heard that.
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  The area is in the straight of Wanda Fuka, which is a body of water between Van.
• 17:02
  I wrote a bloody of water.
• 17:04
  Oh no.
• 17:05
  It can be.
• 17:06
  There's orcas and shirts.
• 17:07
  I know.
• 17:08
  There's a lot of blood in that water.
• 17:09
  It is between Vancouver Island and Washington State and it is the main outlet for the Salish
• 17:14
  Sea into the Pacific Ocean.
• 17:16
  Shay, it is literally one of my favorite places to be.
• 17:21
  If you haven't been there yet.
• 17:22
  Well, go around in the straight of Wanda Fuka.
• 17:24
  100% I've done it on my boat.
• 17:25
  I've done it on a kayak.
• 17:26
  Wow.
• 17:27
  Absolutely.
• 17:28
  Why is it your favorite?
• 17:29
  There is something majestic.
• 17:31
  When you're up there and you're in that water, it is overwhelming and majestic.
• 17:37
  And every time I see it, I am overwhelmed by the beauty and there's something about it
• 17:42
  that's just it encompasses your soul.
• 17:45
  Now that I know about the feet though, might change my opinion.
• 17:48
  Well, I mean, let's we'll get to that.
• 17:51
  You'll be fine.
• 17:52
  Real quick, for those of you who aren't in the Pacific Northwest or maybe just don't know
• 17:57
  about this area of it, maybe 11.
• 18:00
  I know.
• 18:01
  Right.
• 18:02
  Where I go, I know.
• 18:03
  Why would you know about the Salish Sea?
• 18:05
  Or the California.
• 18:06
  Okay.
• 18:07
  So you probably know in Alaska.
• 18:08
  So the Salish Sea is one of the world's largest inland seas.
• 18:12
  And it is named after the first inhabitants of the region, the Coast Salish.
• 18:17
  It encompasses the Puget Sound, the San Juan Islands and the waters off of Vancouver, BC.
• 18:24
  So we've got the straight of Juan de Fuca and we've also got straight George.
• 18:28
  It has 4,642 miles of coastline, 419 islands and a sea surface area of about 6,535 square
• 18:39
  miles.
• 18:40
  And we will include a map of this on our Instagram and Facebook page.
• 18:44
  So you know, deep it is.
• 18:45
  I did not put that down, but I did read it.
• 18:47
  It's pretty deep.
• 18:48
  It's really deep.
• 18:49
  I think there was like 20, it was like 2600 feet.
• 18:52
  Right.
• 18:53
  Yeah.
• 18:54
  I remember kayaking and our guide told us that I liked that and I was terrified and I'm like,
• 18:57
  "Jody, what does it matter if you're 10 feet?"
• 18:59
  Yeah.
• 19:00
  It's a little bit deeper than you really like, which is about 2000 feet deep.
• 19:04
  Okay.
• 19:05
  So on November 11th, 2008, a woman's left foot was discovered floating in the Frazier
• 19:11
  River in a new-balanced sneaker.
• 19:13
  Later it was.
• 19:14
  What's our count now?
• 19:15
  9.
• 19:16
  Wow.
• 19:17
  This is the 9th foot.
• 19:18
  Wow.
• 19:19
  Later it was determined that this was the match the foot found on May 22nd on Kirkland Island.
• 19:22
  Feet went quiet for about a year.
• 19:26
  They were just tipped away.
• 19:28
  Shhh.
• 19:29
  It was dumb.
• 19:30
  That was real bad.
• 19:31
  No, I loved it.
• 19:32
  I mean, I don't know why, but I'm thinking about like what was happening in late 2008, early
• 19:40
  2009.
• 19:41
  The only thing I can think is that when we were starting to get really into the recession.
• 19:44
  Right.
• 19:45
  These are so far suicides when we've been able to identify, right?
• 19:49
  I think causing people to think that.
• 19:51
  I think mostly it's been people who have drowned on purpose.
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• 20:31
  So on October 27th, 2009, a man's right foot in a size 8.5 Nike running shoe.
• 20:37
  I keep it keeps auto correcting to show.
• 20:41
  Oh.
• 20:42
  Why?
• 20:43
  A running show was found on a beach in Richmond, BC.
• 20:47
  The foot was later identified as belonging to a Vancouver area man who was reporting missing
• 20:52
  in January of 2008.
• 20:55
  And then another good chunk of time goes by on August 27th, 2010, a woman's or child's
• 21:01
  right foot was found without a shoe or sock on would be island.
• 21:04
  Now we're in Washington.
• 21:06
  It had been in the water for about two months and was never identified.
• 21:10
  A right foot belonging to either a child or a small adult was found in Tacoma, Washington
• 21:15
  on the title flat.
• 21:18
  The foot was in a boy's size six Ozark Trail hiking boot and it was found on December
• 21:23
  5th, 2010.
• 21:25
  Boys.
• 21:26
  Oh, wow.
• 21:27
  I don't remember hearing this one.
• 21:28
  I don't either.
• 21:30
  On August 30th, 2011, a foot of undeterminable sex was found in a man's white and blue size 9
• 21:36
  runner.
• 21:37
  Next to the Plaza of Nations Marina back in good old false creek BC.
• 21:43
  This Marina, this was interesting, is almost directly across the bay from where our very
• 21:48
  first foot was discovered in the 1800s.
• 21:51
  The leg and boot.
• 21:52
  Huh?
• 21:53
  Directly across the bay.
• 21:54
  Wow.
• 21:55
  Also, it wasn't just a foot.
• 21:59
  The lower leg bones were attached.
• 22:01
  Again.
• 22:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:03
  So, but this was in a shoe, not a boot.
• 22:05
  Yet the whole leg stays maintained.
• 22:08
  It is coincidence, but it is an interesting coincidence.
• 22:10
  Yes, for sure.
• 22:12
  At Sasamott Lake in BC, I may be saying that wrong.
• 22:17
  The right foot of a local fisherman who had gone missing in 1987 was discovered by campers
• 22:26
  on November 4th, 2011.
• 22:28
  Oh, you believe that?
• 22:29
  That's like a retro shoe right there.
• 22:32
  I know.
• 22:34
  That's crazy.
• 22:35
  That's so, probably, see.
• 22:37
  So he probably had drowned.
• 22:40
  His body was at the bottom of the lake and then his foot finally came detached and finally
• 22:45
  floated up.
• 22:46
  Popped on it.
• 22:47
  Yeah.
• 22:48
  So, what lake was this?
• 22:49
  Sasamott Lake.
• 22:50
  So, so not related to the Salish Sea.
• 22:53
  I don't know.
• 22:54
  Or is it off of Salish Sea?
• 22:56
  Or is it off of Salish Sea or not?
• 22:58
  It may be unrelated, but it's a foot.
• 23:01
  All right, on December 10th, and I'm not laughing about the feet, it's just the whole thing
• 23:06
  is a little bit bizarre.
• 23:08
  It's morbid and bizarre, which sometimes all you can do is like, why feet?
• 23:12
  Why feet?
• 23:13
  Why not hands?
• 23:14
  Why not?
• 23:15
  Right.
• 23:16
  Well, there's a reason.
• 23:17
  Yeah.
• 23:18
  Okay.
• 23:19
  Most we will get to.
• 23:20
  All right, right.
• 23:21
  On December 10th, 2011, we head back to Washington.
• 23:23
  A human leg and foot were found in a black plastic bag under the ship canal bridge in Lake
• 23:29
  not to suicide. - Use suicide.
• 23:31
  - No, okay.
• 23:32
  You don't.
• 23:32
  - You're like, come across the body. - I watched you.
• 23:34
  - I watch you, I watch ID channel.
• 23:36
  The Owl bodies come in plastic bags.
• 23:38
  Garbage bags, by the way, from the side of the road.
• 23:40
  - Oh, plastic bags.
• 23:41
  - On the side of the road.
• 23:42
  - Or any random place.
• 23:43
  If you see a garbage bag, a black garbage bag,
• 23:45
  - I always think there are bodies in there as a body.
• 23:47
  - Right, that's how I always think.
• 23:48
  And this time it was just a lake.
• 23:49
  It was never identified.
• 23:53
  I had to have been foul play because you don't come across
• 23:56
  a suicide.
• 23:57
  I'm gonna wrap my leg in a plastic bag
• 23:59
  before a kill myself.
• 24:00
  Just to mess with people.
• 24:03
  Oh my God, I might actually.
• 24:04
  If I get to that point, I might mess with people.
• 24:08
  - All right, so so far we have talked about 15,
• 24:15
  kind of 15 disarticulated feet found
• 24:18
  in the Salish Sea greater area,
• 24:20
  spanning over 100 years.
• 24:22
  And we aren't done.
• 24:24
  - Wow.
• 24:25
  - There are still more of foot.
• 24:26
  - Oh, shit.
• 24:28
  - I cannot believe you're not a father.
• 24:31
  All signs point to you being a real dad.
• 24:36
  I'm a great dad.
• 24:39
  I mean, if your jokes are any indication,
• 24:43
  fantastic, world renowned.
• 24:46
  - So when I finally get my dog,
• 24:48
  you're gonna be like, she's a dog dad.
• 24:50
  - Yeah.
• 24:51
  - You're really like,
• 24:52
  - Why do you call her a dog dad?
• 24:53
  - She is like, she is the best dad jokes.
• 24:55
  I'm so bad.
• 24:56
  - That's freaking happening.
• 24:57
  - All right.
• 24:58
  All right, so a boot with human bones inside
• 25:02
  was found on January 6th, 2012,
• 25:05
  in the sand along the water at a dog park in Vancouver.
• 25:08
  Now this did not mention if a dog found it.
• 25:11
  - No, yeah.
• 25:13
  - Walks up with it.
• 25:14
  - Hi, look what I put under the beach.
• 25:16
  - That's where the mouth is.
• 25:17
  - That's where you got it.
• 25:18
  - Is that worse than having to pull
• 25:20
  desiccated cat turds out of your dog's mouth?
• 25:24
  - No, because this is definitely more intriguing.
• 25:27
  Like at least there's a mystery on the other end.
• 25:29
  - There's a mystery about the desiccated cat turds.
• 25:31
  - No, the cat turds are just like,
• 25:33
  "God, dad, I heard you."
• 25:34
  (laughing)
• 25:35
  The legs are like,
• 25:37
  "Prow, what is, what the heck?"
• 25:40
  - I had a prize,
• 25:41
  - Jaws'o.
• 25:42
  - I had a prize that I was open to get the cat turd out.
• 25:44
  It was like desiccated and he was like,
• 25:46
  "Oh, it's gonna leave in forever."
• 25:48
  Okay, this happened to me once I had a pit bull
• 25:50
  and I did this and I get it out of his mouth.
• 25:52
  It's a fucking rabbit and I mean,
• 25:55
  it is powdery decayed in my living room.
• 25:59
  I'm like, "Oh my God, no."
• 26:01
  I'm like, I kept going,
• 26:02
  so I actually walked by it like 24 times going,
• 26:05
  that stuffed animal needs thrown out and God, it stinks.
• 26:09
  And so far,
• 26:10
  I'm like, "I'm like now."
• 26:13
  (laughing)
• 26:14
  It's so crazy.
• 26:16
  - It's so cruel.
• 26:17
  This is a bunny from long ago.
• 26:20
  - It's so disgusting.
• 26:21
  - And dusty.
• 26:22
  (laughing)
• 26:25
  - Oh God, that's pretty bad.
• 26:26
  It's so bad.
• 26:28
  (laughing)
• 26:30
  Either way, you go and you brush your dogs teeth.
• 26:34
  - Yeah.
• 26:34
  (laughing)
• 26:36
  All right, moving on.
• 26:38
  So we're gonna go fast through these next several.
• 26:41
  I'll be here by myself.
• 26:43
  - All right, a foot in a white new balance was found
• 26:46
  on the shoreline of Centennial Park in Seattle, Washington
• 26:49
  on May 6th, 2014.
• 26:51
  - Okay, hold on.
• 26:52
  I have to say a white new balance.
• 26:53
  This was a 50, right, it was bought at Costco.
• 26:58
  This is a 55 year old white male.
• 27:00
  - Right.
• 27:00
  (laughing)
• 27:03
  - Hey, do not shit on buying your clothes at Costco.
• 27:06
  This is from Costco.
• 27:07
  This is from Costco.
• 27:09
  These socks are from Costco.
• 27:12
  Is that from Costco?
• 27:13
  So I don't go to Costco.
• 27:15
  I end up buying all the clothes.
• 27:16
  - Damn it, #CoscoFashionEestime.
• 27:19
  - Yeah.
• 27:21
  I am very comfortable right now.
• 27:22
  Thank you very much.
• 27:23
  - That's really nice.
• 27:24
  - I'm fine.
• 27:25
  I really started to give up caring
• 27:26
  what I looked like to other people
• 27:27
  as long as I'm comfortable.
• 27:29
  Okay.
• 27:30
  On February 7th, 2016,
• 27:32
  Hikers found a foot in a sock
• 27:34
  and running shoe on Botanical Beach on Vancouver Island.
• 27:37
  Five days later,
• 27:38
  it's mate washed up near Port Rindview
• 27:41
  close to the prior location.
• 27:43
  December 8th, 2017.
• 27:46
  Remains of a leg and foot washed up near Jordan River
• 27:48
  on Vancouver Island.
• 27:50
  On May 6th, 2018,
• 27:52
  a hiking boot with a human foot inside
• 27:54
  was found on Gabriola Island.
• 27:55
  We're back to Gabriola Island.
• 27:57
  A size nine and a half light gray Nike
• 27:59
  with a foot inside was found on the shore
• 28:01
  in West Vancouver.
• 28:03
  On January 1st, 2019,
• 28:05
  a foot in a boot was found on Jenny Island
• 28:08
  near Everett, Washington.
• 28:10
  It was later tied to a man named Antonio Neal
• 28:13
  missing since December 2016.
• 28:16
  So almost three years.
• 28:19
  Almost there.
• 28:20
  We're staying in Washington on November 21st, 2021.
• 28:24
  A size seven Brahma work boot was found
• 28:27
  washed up on Locust Beach near Bellingham.
• 28:30
  December of 2021,
• 28:32
  a size eight new balance washed up on the mouth
• 28:34
  of the Elwa River in Port Angeles, Washington.
• 28:37
  They later tied it to Jerrelyn L. Smith
• 28:40
  who went missing from squim in January of 2018.
• 28:45
  For all of you out there who don't live in the Pacific,
• 28:48
  Northwest, squim is another one that is commonly
• 28:50
  pronounced because it is spelled sequim.
• 28:53
  Sequim. Sequim. Sequim.
• 28:55
  Sequim?
• 28:56
  Last but not least,
• 28:59
  the 26th foot in our story was found on July 23rd, 2023.
• 29:04
  Ooh, ooh, on Gonzales Beach in Victoria, BC.
• 29:11
  Wow.
• 29:13
  Now, so why do we keep finding these grisly bits
• 29:16
  to flot some on our beaches in the Pacific Northwest?
• 29:19
  I want to hand an arm, something, nothing, just feet and shoes.
• 29:22
  I mean, is it a serial killer who's in defeat?
• 29:25
  Is it a playing crash in the nearby ocean?
• 29:29
  Drowning victims that have been trying to cross the border?
• 29:32
  Well, that I was thinking about people
• 29:34
  like getting on cargo ships trying to get here.
• 29:37
  That's one theory.
• 29:39
  But authorities and scientists have concluded
• 29:43
  that the reason we keep finding feet is for a few reasons.
• 29:46
  Oh, few.
• 29:47
  First, when a body is in the sea,
• 29:50
  scavengers go for the more tender exposed bits.
• 29:54
  Often this is the ankle where the skin is thin.
• 29:58
  And there is not much actually holding your foot
• 30:01
  onto the rest of your leg,
• 30:02
  just some ligaments and tendons, right?
• 30:04
  Right, right.
• 30:05
  And those bones are, there's like several little bones, right?
• 30:08
  So, Sebastian the crab.
• 30:12
  Is picking away at this new--
• 30:15
  Is he speaking in an accent?
• 30:16
  Yes.
• 30:16
  All right.
• 30:18
  At this floating buffet, suddenly this is not weird
• 30:20
  and creepy anymore and it's entertaining and fun.
• 30:23
  Like hearted and trial-like.
• 30:25
  And pretty quickly, the foot is disartaculated from the leg.
• 30:29
  So in 2007, a study by Simon Frazier University
• 30:34
  showed that a corpse could be reduced to a skeleton
• 30:36
  in as few as four days by all of the hungry critters in the sea.
• 30:42
  And is that at the bottom of the sea,
• 30:44
  we're talking about crustaceans or do they just
• 30:45
  float and something?
• 30:47
  A pig's carcass, under something that would keep it submerged,
• 30:50
  but it was still floating.
• 30:52
  Oh, okay.
• 30:52
  As far as I can see.
• 30:53
  So it wasn't sitting on the bottom.
• 30:54
  So the crab was also about--
• 30:56
  Okay.
• 30:57
  Yeah, there's somewhere near the bottom,
• 30:58
  but they're not sitting necessarily.
• 31:00
  You've got these big beds of seaweed
• 31:02
  and sometimes animal carcasses will get caught in that.
• 31:05
  And so scavengers will just hang out and eat
• 31:07
  on the stuff that's in there.
• 31:09
  So why doesn't the foot sink to the sea floor?
• 31:13
  Well, there has been a big change in sneaker design
• 31:17
  since the early 2000s.
• 31:19
  So modern athletic shoes utilize a lot of lightweight foam
• 31:23
  that has been injected with air, making the shoes
• 31:26
  and the feet inside of them more buoyant.
• 31:29
  So this is why it's more of a recent issue
• 31:32
  that it's more fluid.
• 31:33
  Notice this mostly is happening since the 2000s.
• 31:37
  So what you're telling me is before the 2000s,
• 31:38
  we just have a lot of shoes on the bottom of the floor.
• 31:41
  Sure for sure.
• 31:42
  They just need to make it up.
• 31:43
  Yeah, they're most likely now to float up
• 31:45
  to be able to be washed ashore to be discovered.
• 31:47
  That part's a new phenomenon.
• 31:49
  So the unique currents of water movement
• 31:52
  within the Salish Sea also has something to do with it.
• 31:56
  So according to oceanography professor Parker McCready
• 31:59
  of the University of Washington in an interview to Vox,
• 32:03
  he said things that float at the ocean surface
• 32:05
  move with the currents, but are also pushed a bit
• 32:08
  by the wind and this can be significant in getting them to shore.
• 32:12
  The prevailing winds here are west to east.
• 32:15
  And so floating stuff in this part of the Pacific
• 32:17
  gets blown to the coast effectively.
• 32:20
  So the large and complex body of water of the Salish Sea
• 32:24
  acts as a trap.
• 32:25
  So another factor why we're finding all of these feet
• 32:29
  may be a phenomenon called frequency illusion,
• 32:32
  also known as the beta minehaw phenomenon.
• 32:35
  Frequency illusion was coined by Stanford linguistics professor
• 32:40
  Arnold Zwicky.
• 32:41
  I love that last name.
• 32:42
  It's wiki.
• 32:43
  It is essentially a cognitive bias in which a person notices
• 32:47
  a specific concept, word, or product
• 32:50
  after recently becoming aware of it.
• 32:53
  So when you buy a Cadillac, all the sudden you see Cadillac
• 32:55
  everywhere.
• 32:56
  OK, so that's the what phenomenon, the beta minehaw
• 33:00
  or frequency illusion.
• 33:01
  OK, gotcha.
• 33:02
  That happens to me a lot.
• 33:04
  I'll be like, oh, Applejacks.
• 33:06
  Oh, now I see Applejacks everywhere.
• 33:08
  And I haven't talked about Applejacks since 1984.
• 33:10
  Exactly.
• 33:11
  Got ya.
• 33:12
  So for the Pacific Northwest, there
• 33:14
  were several news pieces about feet being found on beaches.
• 33:18
  So now everyone on the beach looks for shoes
• 33:21
  and then looks inside of them to see if there's a foot,
• 33:24
  where before maybe you just thought it was a piece of sea trash.
• 33:28
  So perhaps instead of the frequency of feet being
• 33:33
  washed up on shore, increasing, it was just increased awareness.
• 33:37
  So it's a mix of selective attention,
• 33:39
  keeping an eye out for something, and confirmation bias.
• 33:43
  More feet have been found, so more feet are being washed up.
• 33:45
  Got it.
• 33:47
  How about our time with that?
• 33:48
  So it's just a--
• 33:49
  It's a cognitive bias.
• 33:51
  Like, does that mean we didn't used to look in shoes?
• 33:54
  Because I think everybody always would have been curious
• 33:57
  finding a foot in a shoe.
• 33:58
  Are we in a shoe?
• 33:59
  Well, I think we're more curious now about where we're
• 34:01
  in the shoe.
• 34:02
  Because there's the awareness that people have been
• 34:04
  finding feet in shoes.
• 34:05
  Now we're going to be looking for it.
• 34:06
  Instead of just walking on the beach,
• 34:09
  now you're looking where at the shoreline,
• 34:11
  and then when you see a shoe, you're going to look inside it,
• 34:13
  where maybe before you're like, it grows,
• 34:15
  and you stay away from it.
• 34:16
  Well, that's the same thing as my black plastic bag,
• 34:19
  my garbage bag.
• 34:19
  I've never ever--
• 34:20
  I'd be like, it grows, who dumped their garbage.
• 34:22
  And I'm like, oh my god, there's a body over there.
• 34:24
  Exactly.
• 34:25
  So that's the same sort of thing.
• 34:26
  Yes, gotcha.
• 34:27
  Yeah.
• 34:28
  Well, anyways, that's the case of the Salish--
• 34:31
  Wow.
• 34:31
  So it's not as mysterious as it seems.
• 34:34
  There's answers behind these.
• 34:36
  Many of these have been identified.
• 34:37
  I didn't know that.
• 34:38
  For some reason, in my recollection of the story--
• 34:41
  Right.
• 34:42
  --of deep into it.
• 34:43
  --a lot of them tied to missing persons.
• 34:45
  And most of those people, they think,
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  were probably suicides.
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  Gotcha.
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  I didn't even know that they tied them back to anyone.
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  I just thought they'd been found and never identified,
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  but a lot of them have been tied back to suicide.
• 34:57
  And the Salish Sea is--
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  I mean, it's a swirly-- I mean, as a boater, Keith,
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  and I used to have a boat.
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  We had no business being out there.
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  I don't know why.
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  You cannot leave a car a lot without a driver's license.
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  But you can go by a boat.
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  In fact, one that's way too big for somebody who's never
• 35:12
  owned a boat or a Ben and Sea.
• 35:14
  And just--
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  You can just wrap that.
• 35:15
  They gave us an hour-long session on how to drive this.
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  I'm not even lying.
• 35:18
  So running into docs everywhere and said, now you're good.
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  And go to the San Juan's, like you've always dreamed.
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  And we did.
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  And we are alive by the grace of God.
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  And then also realized, maybe this was
• 35:29
  a great idea because it costs $1,000 every time we take the boat out.
• 35:32
  Anyway, because of gas.
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  Anywhere.
• 35:34
  Yeah.
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  And your friends are like, oh, can we take out your boat out?
• 35:36
  And they're like, well, buy some beer.
• 35:38
  Yes.
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  A six pack of beer, a case of beer on good days,
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  wouldn't show up.
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  And I'm like, yeah, the gas was $400.
• 35:44
  But things-- I'm not thirsty now.
• 35:46
  Thanks for spending $24 on that case of PBR.
• 35:49
  Right.
• 35:50
  Here we go.
• 35:52
  That's just the gas.
• 35:53
  Let's talk about the cost of the boat,
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  the insurance, the maintenance, the fact
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  that we had to store it in a slip because it was too big
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  to bring home.
• 36:02
  So my grandfather had a little sign on his desk that said,
• 36:05
  a boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood
• 36:09
  into which one pours money.
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  Yes, 100%.
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  That's all it was.
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  Now wood.
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  Now it's fiberglass.
• 36:14
  Fiberglass.
• 36:14
  But still.
• 36:17
  So my main source was the Great Wicapedia page,
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  the Salish Sea Human Foot Discoveries.
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  And there was also a great article on all that's interesting.com.
• 36:27
  There's lots of articles out there.
• 36:29
  I also listened to an episode on Stuff You Should Know,
• 36:33
  which is a great, great podcast.
• 36:35
  Not a whole lot of mystery, really.
• 36:37
  About them.
• 36:38
  Is there any other theories out there
• 36:39
  that we could run with that are exciting?
• 36:41
  Well, there was a theory for a while.
• 36:43
  There's a serial killer that was in Canada.
• 36:45
  I think his name was Robert Picton.
• 36:47
  And he--
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  Is he the one that fed his--
• 36:50
  Victims is pigs.
• 36:51
  --to his pigs, and then would feed people the pigs?
• 36:53
  Yeah, yeah.
• 36:54
  He was like a modern Hannibal at the time.
• 36:56
  Yeah, I would like to do a piece on him at some point.
• 36:59
  Where we get into--
• 37:00
  --the--
• 37:00
  Yeah.
• 37:02
  But for now, there's not a whole lot that's--
• 37:07
  So they thought maybe he'd been toss and feed.
• 37:09
  Yeah, but no, they just--
• 37:11
  It's modern, secret design.
• 37:12
  It's the Salish Sea's special properties,
• 37:15
  and then it's that cognitive bias.
• 37:17
  So there's real answers to this mystery?
• 37:20
  Yes, there is.
• 37:20
  But it still is mysteries.
• 37:22
  And if you're walking on a beach in the Pacific Northwest,
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  you find a shoe.
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  Especially near the Salish Sea.
• 37:28
  We aren't all near Salish Sea in the Pacific Northwest.
• 37:30
  If you are in the Salish Sea, keep your eye out.
• 37:32
  First, me, please.
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  Look at that shoe.
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  You're walking the rocks.
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  If you see a shoe, keep your eye out.
• 37:36
  Well, I mean, if you keep your eye out.
• 37:37
  If you don't want anything to do with that,
• 37:39
  don't look in a shoe.
• 37:40
  You don't know.
• 37:42
  Probably all you're going to find is a crab and some seaweed,
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  mostly.
• 37:46
  I will post.
• 37:47
  I have a fantastic photograph of a shoe on a beach
• 37:52
  that I took at my happy place, Harstein Island last summer.
• 37:57
  And it was--
• 37:58
  But there's no foot in it.
• 37:59
  There's no foot in it.
• 38:00
  But it was covered in seaweed.
• 38:01
  And it's just a great photograph.
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  So I will post that on our social media.
• 38:05
  It's so good.
• 38:05
  But I definitely looked inside of it
• 38:07
  because I thought of this immediately.
• 38:09
  See?
• 38:10
  This is living with the illusion.
• 38:11
  Yeah.
• 38:12
  Spurred this entire adventure, really, me, rabbit hole.
• 38:16
  What was Harstein Island?
• 38:17
  And talking about this specific topic as well as others.
• 38:21
  But this did come into our hey, there's
• 38:24
  so many weird things in the Pacific Northwest.
• 38:26
  This was on the top of the list.
• 38:28
  So thank you so much for--
• 38:30
  Because I've always wondered and never put a lot into it.
• 38:32
  Because I've--
• 38:33
  It's just one of those mysteries.
• 38:34
  It's a mystery out there.
• 38:35
  And I'm always looking into other mysteries
• 38:37
  and never made it to this one.
• 38:38
  So thank you for answering this for me.
• 38:41
  I'm not exactly happy that it's not that much for mystery.
• 38:43
  I mean, you may have ruined it.
• 38:45
  It's something more nefarious.
• 38:46
  I did want a ferris.
• 38:48
  I mean, it could have been aliens.
• 38:49
  Hey, Bigfoot could have been just eating everything but the foot.
• 38:52
  And--
• 38:52
  He doesn't know.
• 38:53
  But no.
• 38:54
  He doesn't know how to work.
• 38:56
  Just the Salish Sea and modern sneaker design.
• 38:59
  Thanks, Shay.
• 39:00
  Bigfoot only has Velcro sneakers,
• 39:04
  because he does not know how to work.
• 39:05
  She does do laces, right?
• 39:06
  So if you're in laces, your feet are safe, but you are not.
• 39:09
  No, that's not what came from this story.
• 39:11
  So if you were the old man who buys his Velcro,
• 39:15
  get some new balance, your feet--
• 39:18
  will probably never be found, because--
• 39:20
  No, because that Bigfoot can handle the Velcro sneakers.
• 39:23
  They're just not safe.
• 39:24
  We're just never going to find any part of you if you're
• 39:26
  wearing Velcro.
• 39:27
  So if you wear Doc Martins, though, I bet your feet would never--
• 39:30
  Oh, shoot.
• 39:30
  --because they will sink.
• 39:31
  Those things are heavy.
• 39:32
  Yep.
• 39:33
  Let's wrap this up.
• 39:34
  So guys, thank you so much for being here.
• 39:37
  Thanks for listening.
• 39:38
  And please, again, go and follow us on Spotify,
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• 39:44
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• 39:45
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  with your friends and family.
• 39:50
  And anybody you know, your coworkers--
• 39:52
  Anyone you know.
• 39:53
  As long as they won't be offended by titty shack.
• 39:56
  Right.
• 39:57
  We've got to have some sense of humor.
• 39:59
  Yeah, you've got to have a sense of humor.
• 40:00
  So maybe not your church group.
• 40:02
  I mean, just saying.
• 40:03
  I mean, maybe.
• 40:04
  I don't know.
• 40:05
  Well, we will see you next time.
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  And until then, see you down the rabbit hole.
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