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Ep: 61 Why America’s Best Workers Are Quitting & No One Wants to Work Anymore · The Sense and Senseless Podcast

• Bryan: you ready for the next one? Jason: Yeah, run it. Bryan: Hey everybody, welcome back to the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I am Brian. Jason: I think I'm Jason. Bryan: He thinks he's Jason tonight. If this is your first time joining us, he thinks he's Jason, and welcome to the family. We're just two guys discussing shit in a way everyone can understand. This episode, we're going to discuss why are there millions of job openings that nobody wants to feel while we keep hearing AI is taking all the jobs. How do we go from workplaces where men held each other to real standards to offices full of meetings, feelings, and managers who's never touched a wrench? Jason: Thought you were fixing the save men that held each other. I haven't held you in a long time, Brian. I've been missing it, but I haven't. Bryan: man, I've been missing you. Jason: Sorry, dude. I guess I'm in a mood tonight. Bryan: We're talking the death of peer accountability while your best workers are burning out and going quiet. What inclusion actually did to blue collar America and whether we've created a whole generation that's allergic to sweat and calluses. Please like, share, follow, and subscribe. We appreciate every one of you. Jason? Got anything? Jason: No, go ahead. Bryan: All right. So I want to start this off with something I hear quite often, but I don't see how it's helping us. 18 trillion. Trump keeps citing these figures of ranging from 17 to 21 trillion in secured investments. He's been saying this shit since taking office. All right. And and when he first started talking about this shit, I was like, damn. You know, this motherfucker bringing some some clout. You know, he's getting some investments in this country. Jason: Mm-hmm. I'm not seeing it. Bryan: No, I'm not saying it either. Even though the White House on tracker shows a fraction of that. That's at nine point six to ten point six trillion. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And even that's still based off of speculative agreements and not actual contracts. The actual measured foreign direct investment was just two hundred and thirty to two hundred and seventy billion in twenty twenty five. Roughly one to two percent of the claim figure. Now, I'm not saying that he's not getting some people to say, Hey, look, or some countries to say, Hey, look, you know, we're gonna invest in the United States. But I'm not seeing it. I don't think Have you heard of any big manufacturing plants popping up? Jason: Well, they bit they b did build a big paper mill plant in in the county above me or north of me. Northeast, yeah. there was already one up there, which was funny, 'cause my brother in law works at the other one. It's like, do we really need the thing's huge too? but no, not not on a huge scale. Not saying that there isn't manufacturing going on, but not like he's talking about. I mean, I'm not seeing it. I'm not hearing about it. Bryan: No, they said so they said job growth has cooled through twenty twenty six. June added just fifty seven thousand jobs, down sharply from May's hundred and twenty nine thousand. Jason: Uh-huh. Bryan: manufacturing employment, the sector central to the factories coming home story, is Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: essentially flat, roughly three thousand to five thousand jobs in recent months that it added. And then we have the headline unemployment rate of four point two percent. Looks stable, but then the improvement is mostly people leaving the work for force, not new hiring participation dropped and household employment fell by over five hundred thousand in June alone. What the wage data actually shows, manufacturing wages hit a milestone, thirty dollars and ten cents per hour for production workers, a genuine data point in the positive column. But economy wide posted wage growth was two point four percent and is running behind full inflation at three point five percent. So the the reticret describes a historic investment boom reshaping the economy. The data shows a cooling labor market and wages losing ground to inflation. Individual project announcements like Toyota and Yamaha, they feel real but aren't showing up yet, as the broad base lift for working and middle class households. I just wanted to go through this because I don't see this materializing at our level. Again, I believe these countries are probably telling them exactly what he wants to hear, you know, and they we're gonna invest it. We're gonna invest in your country. if you think about it, all they gotta do is wait four years. They can tell him whatever the fuck they wanna tell him. He's not gonna be in office in four years. Jason: That's right. Bryan: Words mean nothing without actions with these people. But I just want to go through that. But he does know what we do want. All right. So this is what we do want. Everybody wants them data centers in their backyard. If you don't want you're a fucking loss. You know, I'm You're Jason: Yeah. You're not a good community. Bryan: not a good community. How can you sit there and I mean I don't know anybody that wants data centers around I really don't. Even for the jobs, I don't know anybody that wants that around them. Jason: No. Bryan: I mean they might go work on the data center, but I don't think they want to live around that shit. Jason: okay. Just take up for different stuff like YouTube, even some Chat GPT stuff. If it can find me my information really quickly, I'm down with that. YouTube, if I can find a video that shows me how to r fix something on my vehicle that I can do myself instead of paying a mechan and I'm sorry for taking it out of the mechanic's hands, but sometimes I just don't have the time and the money. right for that. So if if it can if I can watch somebody do something and be like, that's not that hard. I'm down with that. But why do we need what they're trying to build? W Bryan: I don't know. Something nefarious, I would assume. Or they they know something a lot of something we don't know. Yeah. Jason: Something's coming. Something, yeah. Something's coming down because of these like I told I've got a buddy that runs a a lawn or lawnmower shop. it's a pretty nice one. He's got a lot of nice inventory and does repairs, new sales, all that stuff. And he's got a team that's mowing solar panel farms. And they do it all summer. And he he pays you good money to do it. But why do we need that? Why why is this going up like it is? That it just scary. Something's fixing Bryan: Dude. Jason: Yeah. We were talking about freedom in our first show. I mean, it's might be losing that stuff pretty quick. Bryan: yeah. They gotta have all them data centers. Jason: Why? Nobody can explain why we gotta have them though. Bryan: AI. That's all they gotta tell you. It's kinda like COVID. You know, it's like, why I gotta wear this mask? Science. Why I gotta take that shot? Science. But I don't want, but science. Why I gotta have all these data AI? But I don't AI is AI. That's all you need to know. Jason: AI still sure requires a l of for it being wicked fast and smart and all it sure requires a lot of resources to have that. That's kind of weird. Bryan: Well, when you're the biggest brain in the world, it's gonna take a lot of resources, man. I'm not taking up for Jason: Okay, okay. what Bryan: it, but think about it. Jason: what was what was the movie with the black women that were doing all the figuring for the NASA the calculator or the I don't know if you've seen that one. Bryan: You know I have it now. Jason: Gosh dang. Whatever. How about how about computer mainframe computers back in the seventies and the sixties? They were huge. They took a whole damn room. Bryan: huh, yeah, when it when it took up a whole room. Yeah. Jason: Now, I mean, if I pan my camera over to my PC over here, this thing here would put any of those computers to shame. And this is just run well, it's not run of the mill. I spend some money on it, huh? Yes. My phone Bryan: Your f your phone would your phone would put that to shame. It Jason: would. Bryan: yeah, it doesn't take much. Jason: So why do we need these data centers that require the water and the electricity for a decent sized town to run it? Bryan: It ain't to run it, it's to keep Jason: Why do we need that? Bryan: it's to keep it cool. That's why you need the water. Jason: And the electricity? Yeah, but they Bryan: You need electricity to run it. You need the water to keep it cool. Jason: said that the amount of electricity one of these data centers uses would would power a thous a hundred thousand homes. That's crazy. What are Bryan: yeah, it'd be a hundred thousand w yeah, a hundred thousand homes, yep. It is crazy. Jason: you running in there? And we're putting a ton of these things up, not just one or two. What what I forget what your numbers were on one of our podcasts. 4,000 of them. Why do we need Bryan: It was like f it was like four thousand or some dumb shit like that. Yeah, it was a it was a fuck ton of them. Jason: that many buildings? There's not that much data out there. I don't understand. Something's Bryan: It's the afterworld. It's the aliens. It's all it's all it's all them agents. All them agents. Jason: It probably is. It's probably demonic. Agents. Some little green people walking around with their E T phone home. Bryan: See they they want you to think that they green people 'cause they all look like us. So if you think that yeah, since you think that That's right. They all look like Jason: They probably do. Yeah, like the Rowdy Roddy Piper movie. Yeah. You gotta wear the that's why we wear our glasses. It allows us to see alien people. Bryan: It might, it might. So we we hear all this talk about how AI is taking jobs and how A as AI is gonna be the end of our civilization. Right? And I won't Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: argue either of those cases because I have no idea what AI is gonna bring. I know it's it's gonna replace jobs, it's already happening. But that happens with all technology as we become more efficient. Jobs are lost, but also more jobs are created. I mean, think about the television repair man. I mean, he don't no longer need it, right? But The phone screen repair man became a fucking huge thing. So I mean some things go and some things, you know, come and replace it. And I'm not gonna say robots aren't gonna replace us at some point. Again, I don't know. But right now there's a demand for skilled workers that isn't being filled. Some will say that is due to people not wanting to work. That is a fucking problem. I I know that. I won't deny that. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: But we did we did build this society of people, you know, these the society of people that don't want to roll up their sleeves and get dirty. Yeah, not wanting to go out and just sweat a bit. It's it's weird. When people start sweating, it's like they want to stop. They don't understand, especially here in the south. You sweat and then once you get fucking full of sweat, you still start to cool down, you know, Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: because you actually have something on you to help yourself cool down. But people wanna stop as soon as they say, man, I'm already sweating. It's like, Are you serious? You gotta get to the soak. You ain't done nothing to Jason: Mm. Bryan: you. Jason: Till you get that swamp ass dude, stop. Keep going. Bryan: That's right. You're damn right. Jason: Push yourself until you get tingly. Then when you get tingly, then go get shade. But you got about Bryan: Y you gotta do it. Jason: five minutes in between that two, the soaking the tinglies. Ryan Bryan: We we build a Jason: trying to give people heat strokes and shit out here. Bryan: I ain't trying to get him. He's stroke. That's what you gotta just drink a lot of water. Jason: Get your ass out there. Bryan: We built a corporate take high quality H2O. Jason: Hydrate two o Bryan: man. All right. So we we build a corporate mentality where everybody wants that cushy job. A society where everyone tells others what to do. Even when they have no idea Jason: What's wrong with that? Bryan: even when they have no idea how to perform the job that they're asking someone else to do. See, at least you can perform Jason: And Bryan: the job. And you know what's even worse than that? And we wonder why service sucks. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: You know, we we have people leading people that have no idea what the people they're leading does. It makes Jason: Yep. Bryan: no motherfucking sense at all. Never in the history of life has anybody survived by following the motherfucker that didn't know what the hell they were doing. Ever. In the history of life. Jason: Hey, I had this, I had this director come Bryan: Ha ha ha. Jason: talk to me in another department and said, Hey, I got a manager's job coming available. Are you going to put in for it? I said, I said, no. He goes, why not? I said, because I don't know that side. And he goes, Well, you did some of this and some of this. I said, it's changed since I touched that stuff. I said, I don't know what they're doing now. He goes, you don't have to. You just know you need to know I I I said, No, that's not my mentality. If I'm gonna go into something, I need to know what my guys do and how to do their job to better help them do their job, right? Isn't that how that Bryan: Yeah. Jason: works? Bryan: That's how it should work, but evidently not no more. Corporate America, Jason: Yeah. Bryan: if you can manage people, it doesn't matter what they're doing. Jason: You know what? The the the stuff my guys are doing right now, that upgrade I told you were doing, I went to the class with those guys to learn how to do that stuff. Even though I'm not doing it, I still went to the class so I know what they're supposed to be doing out there. So when they try to say, well, I didn't know that's not what we learned in class, you you're supposed to do this. Yeah, I forgot you were in there. Bryan: That's right, bitch. I was in there Jason: bit. Bryan: I know. Jason: Don't make me crack that wheel. Go ahead. Bryan: No, I I work in service too. And you're lucky to have a handful of good guys. You know, you just are. I mean, majority just know enough to get by. But they're paid, at least in our company, as as they're the best. And that that puts a lot of stress on your top guys. Your your top. Jason: Right. Well I got my guys nitpick each other, but I got a good group of guys. I'll I'll I'm blessed with that. Bryan: I your top guys have to be dependable at all costs. Your middle tier, lower tier guys, they're not held responsible f for much of anything. But they all collect check. You know? And so when there's no standard, because you can't set a standard, or in some companies you can't set standards. And you can't set standards because you single people out and God forbid you require them to reach the same fucking standard as everyone else. Yeah. And at one time companies and corporations had something special and they didn't realize it. When when I started working, I mean like when I was like 16 and I forgot my first real job, Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: you had expectations of you. If you weren't meeting expectations, your coworker would make sure that you knew you wasn't meeting expectations, right? Because they were not gonna pick up your slack. Period. You know, everyone was hard on each other. We we policed each other. We we didn't want anybody's slack. And it was nothing for a company to get rid of you. It was slacking because somebody else wanted your job. When when I got older and I joined the Marine Corps, same fucking progress process, but at a much higher fucking level, as you can imagine. And you better pull your own weight or they're gonna call Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: you out, you know? Jason: Mm-hmm. We did, didn't Bryan: And Jason: we? Bryan: yeah, and you yeah, and your leaders didn't have to do that. Your Jason: No. Bryan: peers made you do everything. They held the fucking expectations. They held the standard. They held the line. You know, and everyone had to meet the that fucking standard. And this and the fact is that the standard was the low end of the bar. You know, that that's the sad part. That Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: was the bare minimum, is your standard. Jason: We were only as good as our worst person. That's what we were always told. Bryan: Yeah, and but today if you if you only as good as your worst person or your worst, whatever you working with, most of us suck. Because we don't have the means to pick everyone up, you know. And because like even when I came into the mechanic world, it was the same shit. The older guys made sure you were holding your own. Even as a younger guy, though, you wanted to pull the weight of the older guy. You didn't want him not to do the shit. You wanted to learn. You wanted to show him you can do the work. You know, you'd push Jason: Right. Right. Bryan: him out the way. Jason: Right. Bryan: Now today with all this inclusion shit, I mean, companies hurt themselves. I mean we have more managers managing people. They they have no idea, like we were saying earlier, of how to lead. Or even worse, know your fucking job. You know? Jason: Well, I got guys that have been in my department for six months that are like, I can't believe you gave me all this type of work, but you didn't give him like hold up now. I said, and I'll tell them this. I don't care. It's it ain't happening with me. Now if if somebody comes to me from higher up and says, hey, we gotta I'll I'll have I'll be like, no, w these guys need to learn, you gotta earn your key. I still got that mentality and I let my my senior guys, Brian, I let them correct my younger guys. Bryan: I'm the same way. Jason: But they gotta do it th they gotta they gotta be professional. They can't old school that stuff. But but I'll tell they're like, Well man, he's I said, then say something to him, just be respectful. Coach him. And it works, dude. I'm telling you, it works a lot better than if I had to tell because they look up t I've got that going right now, and I'm just blessed to have that, right? But Bryan: Mm-hmm. Jason: sometimes my younger guys wanna like, well, why Why do I have to do this? And he d but he's been doing it for five years. You've been doing it for six months. What's the difference there, homie? You're a new hire for at least two years in my department. And you're gonna earn your keep. I told one of my older guys the other day, I said, You know, I told you about bucket trucks and stuff. If it was up to me, these guys would stay in a r van or a regular vehicle with a ladder only and no bucket for the first year. And show me you want this job. Because that bucket makes it a lot easier, right? When you can just climb in that thing and boom up there. Bryan: Yeah. Jason: And you got to get that twenty-eight foot or thirty-two-foot ladder off and pack it on your shoulder and go pole to pole to pole to pole. That's shit, that sucks. Or on hooks, you know, the gaffing where you climb the pole with the hooks. That sucks when you got to do that stuff. You do that for a year, you're showing me that I really want to do this job. And he goes, damn, you're an ass. And I'm like, I'm tired of people coming in here thinking it's it's all all I can I don't have to go under houses and go in attics and do this and that. I get to stay out in a bucket truck all day. It's not all rainbows and Skittles. It sucks. We work up work a lot of hours and we're out in the weather all the time. And they get a taste of that and then they're like, I don't want to do this. Like, well, you're stuck. And I'm stuck dealing with it. You know what I'm saying? So it'd be nice to force to do that. I guarantee they quit pretty quick. The guys that don't really want to be in here would quit. Like you said, they they make us do all this other stuff, dude, and you you can't whittle the the trash out. You know what I'm saying? Bryan: No, they had something good. I mean, the the people were doing now, I know they stopped it probably because people were complaining and, you know, everybody was becoming a pussy and shit. But I mean, it it helped a lot. You know. Even if you're the manager, it's hard to fucking correct people. I mean, you could correct them. I if you know your people, it's not so bad. But I mean, if you gotta really like Hey, look, we got a serious problem. We got you got so many documents and shit you got to fill out. It's like, because if you don't, then they go to HR saying, well, so-and-so talk to me. What did they document? Like, my God, why don't we sit here and cover up everybody's ass just because this son of a bitch has no fucking motivation, you know? Now Jason: Yep. You gotta document everything. We're told that all the time. Document, document, document, document. Because if you don't, it never happened. Bryan: And it's stupid. This you know, and that's because you can't trust nobody. You know, and so but when you do tell the truth, people don't believe you, and if they do Jason: Because you got all these lawyers on these damn billboards driving down the damn road, not just the injury ones, but you got the wrongful termination Bryan: termination or whatever? Jason: s lawyers and all that crap that sue the crap out of these companies. HR's got their hey, I'll take up for R HR. I love her to death. I don't know if she's ever caught this show before, but love you, not mention your name, but I thank you for your I mean, she's she's done a lot for me. She's she's consoled me. She's Giving me good counsel. You know what I'm saying? So, and and I can talk to her in private and confidentiality without pushing a subject, right? And and that goes a long way with me because I'm just trying to get some direction of where I can go because I'm still wanting that old school mentality. But like you said, you gotta you gotta tiptoe that stuff. But she Bryan: Yeah, because Jason: she's honest with me and tells me, Jason, you have to document every little Bryan: But even if your guy corrected someone else, at least in my experience, and that person got offended just because of some words, even though it's the person that knows how to do the job is telling the person that don't know how to do the job how to fucking do the job and he felt a certain way, that's still a problem. Because that has to come from a manager, a manager that might not even be on the site. So how the hell can I correct them when Jason: Yeah. Right. Bryan: you work in remotely? No one's there and The senior guy is the one watching over you. They can't correct it it's Jason: Well, okay, I'm sure this happens with you or or has happened with you. You'll have a guy come in and talk about another guy. And you're like, Okay. And so you're running through your mind, how do I handle this? And you look at that guy and you say, Listen, I'm not trying to get out of handling this, but you know what's gonna happen. I'm in here, you guys are out there in the field. I can't be around y'all all the time. And if I was out there, he probably wouldn't do that, right? They're not gonna do it when you're there. Maybe sometimes they'll slip up, but more mainly they're gonna be on their best behavior. So if I go talk to this dude. He's gonna know where it came from. Then that starts that up. You know what I'm saying? Bryan: Yeah. Jason: So I look at the guy, I say, listen, I'm just drawing it out for you. Do you really do you is it this big of a deal? And sometimes it is. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care if they know I said something. It needs to stop. Okay. And I'll go handle it. Now, if they'll give me time, I'll get out there and try to catch them doing it. You know what I'm saying? And then then I can address it without whatever. But no, you're right. I mean, it it needs to be wide open where you can just let employees correct other employees. Bryan: Yeah, I think it's it's sad that you can fucking lose your job for trying to make the people around you better. Now, don't get me wrong. There there's Jason: Yeah. What's wrong with that? Bryan: yeah, there is some spots where people will go the fuck overboard, you know, still today. You know, it's like they just Jason: Yeah. Bryan: know that's assault, you know, that what you're doing is really not trying to help people. But the majority of people, yeah. But a Jason: Or bullying and stuff like that. Yeah. Bryan: majority of people just trying to help someone else because the I always looked at the more you know, the less I have to do. You know. Jason: Or go in those meetings with your guys and shut that door and just let go at it, like mouth. Like let say, Hey, I am sick and damn tired of having to pull twelve hour shifts and do this and come in on the weekend. And every time it damn trickles rain or gets a little hot outside or gets cold, you take off or have some random ass illness. That just, my back hurts. I can't work for six months. Yeah, it's kind of convenient. It's right during the heat or the the the extreme cold that we you know what I'm saying? You're a fair weather worker, and that's all you are. And we gotta Bryan: In in Jason: cover your shifts, we gotta cover your on call, we gotta cover that. And I'm sick and tired of it. If everybody gotta voice their opinion to the guys doing that, I'm telling you, the shit would stop. It would. They'd either leave or it they would. Because nobody wants to get called out in front of everybody like that. Bryan: No, but if even if you did that, say you went in a room, you shut the door and you did that, Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: and somebody passed by that office and heard that and they were offended, you could still lose your fucking job. Yeah, that's that's what I'm getting at. Well Jason: That's what I'm saying. If we if if they would get rid of that rule and just allow it to happen, there was no hands thrown. There was no disrespect. Bryan: No, I I agree with you, but my whole point is is the way it is today, we have no choice but to sit below standards because you can't correct people. You just can't. And this creates just Jason: Yeah. Or Bryan: mediocrity, mediocrity or whatever you say. That how you say that word? Jason: Mediocracy. Bryan: Mediocrity. Meteocracy. It it creates all these yeah, it's all the algorithms. It's all the these mediocre people. Jason: It's like logarithms or logarithms for me, algorithms. Yeah, for people w listening and watching, they're like, they're probably like, okay, I'm not listening to this no more. These idiots can't even pronounce words. We're not the sources and freaking encyclopedias and dictionaries, but anyways, they're like, How these guys even lead people? We don't use big words like that. We keep shit simple. Where it's Bryan: That's right. I don't use the big word. I go to shoe. Jason: We ain't in the medical field. Shit. My mom and sister were and they'd use words like, if you can see my fingers this long, I'm like, can you not condense that down for a dumb person? You got diarrhea. Okay, thank you. Why did it have to be eight words to tell me I got diarrhea from eating Taco Bell? Bryan: All right, I'ma condense it down. They doing I'ma dumb it down. All right. They doing the bare minimum for a paycheck. That's what I'm talking about right there. That word, the meteoraucracy doing the bare minimum. Jason: Yes. Yes. Yes. The the threes. They meet. They successfully meet and that's it. They they're not exceeds and they're not exceptional. But I have to t br I'm sorry, I was looking at the clock. I'm I have to tell my other guys that. My fours and fives, we got a tiered system. You got a five is exceptional, four is exceeds, three is meets. Two is sometimes meets and one is does not meet. And I've got threes and ups. But my four my my especially my higher fours and then my fives, they don't care for the threes all the time. Bryan: They racist? Jason: But no, it's not right. Well, yeah, and work work for it it is a racist. It is. If you wanna, if you wanna narrow it down, it is. It's not against color. It's against work ethic. It's a racism against work ethic. The definition of a three in my company is is succeeds, successfully meets expectations. You meet our expectations. You're you're the you you sh you show up to work every day on time, you clock in, you do your job, you go home on time. You don't do anything more, you don't do anything less. You're right in the middle. Then you got your guys, your fours that go above and beyond. Then you got your Michael Jordans or Tiger Woods. Or your Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady's, right? Your that's your fives. Those are your guys that like you don't even need a supervisor. I mean, this dude's just he's a dog. You call him dog. You know what I'm talking. You got guys like that. And those are the guys you lean on and those are your workhorses. And you have to explain that to And at the end of the year, Brian, they get rewarded on their end of year review. They get a better ranking and they get a better race. They do. Bryan: I agree with that, Barson. They do get that. But they still have to take the majority of the work. You know. Jason: They're getting that because they're doing a majority of the work. They're staying late. They're d they're pulling the overtime, the extra on calls. Bryan: But but but they would those type of people would do that regardless. They don't need to pull the weight of someone else. They have the work ethic. So right. You can't Jason: No, because they got the work ethic. They got the dog mentality. You can't teach that. You can't Bryan: but it it's still not fair to them. And what that does is that just demoralizes the strongest guy. If you have some weak players and Jason: Yeah. Bryan: you have these guys that's pulling these extra hours, even though you giving them the w the highest rating. Jason: But your company'll tell you you can't fire a three. Bryan: Well, that that's the problem. That just demoralizes people. I agree with you what you're saying. Jason: Well, that's how they get out of it, Brian. That's how they get out of handling those people is they create a system that ranks people. Bryan: Well, it's not well no, I think you should rank people. I really do. Jason: Well, fours and fives aren't the standard. A three is the standard. Fours and fives are you You know what Bryan: Well I I I understand that. Jason: well one of our higher higher ups says a five is a unicorn. When's the last time you seen a unicorn, Brian? I've heard of Never seen one. Why would you even Bryan: Well he's never seen a father. Jason: have that ranking if you're gonna call it a unicorn? 'Cause a unicorn, Bryan: As they care. Jason: it is. But guess what? There was a couple guys got it this year. And thanks to big, you know. big paragraphs of why they deserved it, it went through. So I guess we finally did see a couple of unicorns. Bryan: But those guys have to even next year they're gonna have to push Exactly. Jason: They gotta break their neck just to get that. Bryan: And you still have guys that are getting threes that are still getting a check. That the check Jason: Yes. Bryan: might not be as good as that other one, but it's pretty fucking close. Jason: It yeah, it's not it's not like it's not miles different. It's it's feet. It's like foot feet. Bryan: Yeah. It's it's not worth all the headache that the that you you had guys are having to take all the time when they're looking to these guys fuck off. And I'm not saying that guys should lower their standards by no means, but it is demoralizing. I know I've been there, I'm sure you've been there, you know. Jason: Yeah. yeah, 'cause I I talked about it. I'm just gonna s go in and just give them the bare minimum, but I can't. It's against Bryan: Yep. Jason: my moral. Bryan: Well, it brings that fucked up mentality we have today. Why I keep push why do I have to push myself? You know, what I ex we built that way. But that guy over there ain't gotta do none of that shit, you know. Jason: Why do we? Cause we're built that way. Some of us are built to push our workselves. I know. Sometimes I envy that, and that's a bad thing to do. But I I Bryan: I always envy that. Jason: w I wish I could come up to work and be fine just doing the bare minimum. I mean, damn, dude, you ought to pay for the damn air you breathe. Bryan: Yeah, and and that mentality that that makes your best employees start to question themselves. You know, and that and Jason: It does. Bryan: that's sad, you know. And they don't care. You know. Jason: I always said if as a supervisor, if I could have came in and picked my guys and built my team like an NFL coach does. Dude, you I and hey, sometimes you got some dogs on a team, right? On an NFL team, but it he just does not match that coach's style. And they put on hey, we're gonna put you on waivers. You're a hell of a team or or you're a hell of a player. You don't you just don't fit my defense or my offense. You'll you'll get picked up by somebody, but not by me. I not everybody meets your your style of you managing. They might be a good worker too, Brian, but they don't they don't mesh with you, the what you're trying to build. Does that make sense? If if Bryan: That makes sense. Jason: companies would allow us to do that, if you trust me enough to lead a team, let me pick my team. As Bill Parcells told Jerry Jones, if you're gonna have me cook the dinner, let me buy the groceries. Bryan: I'm gonna tell you why we got to that place. Jason: Okay. Break it down for me, Haas. I'm Bryan: It's because Jason: a Bryan: all that shit causes the morale to go down, right? So when you Jason: Yes. Bryan: morale goes down, you need to have more leaders when they bring in more managers. So now you got more managers. So now you have Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: to have more meetings. So now you have to spend more money. All because they took the manhood out of the fucking workplace and replaced it with diversity and role clarity. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: They replaced all these things that don't fucking matter in the grand scheme of things. And What they had was good for It didn't cost anything. They were taking care of ourselves. You know, we were pushing ourselves. Now, this is from my viewpoint, you know, as a blue-collar worker, other areas may be different. Corporate America did not realize that they had a group of guys that managed their own people. You had lead guys and foremen that handled bringing everyone up to standard. It might not have been pretty, but it worked. And most men in the trade understood this. You didn't need a fuck ton of managers. You can have a manager that knew to work. Someone that worked his way up through the ranks. They they they did everything that you do now, so they know what you need and how to do your job efficiently. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And you had a group of guys that could train other guys. Again, it might not be pleasant all the time, but they knew what the fuck was expected of them. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: They knew what the fuck the standards were. And they said that saved that company a lot of money. But since somebody complained because their pussy got hurt, the companies had to bring in all this other dumb shit. You know, and in my opinion, this hurt the best workers. It costs companies more money. And and the sad part is it's either people are too fucking stupid to realize it or they don't care. You know, it ain't that hard to think about. It's pretty fucking simple. Jason: You you wanna know another one? Is when I was when I wasn't a supervisor, I was a tech out in the field. We had a new guy come in and, you know, he rode around with me for a while and then the manager or the supervisor pulled him away from me to put him with another guy. And I said, Hey, I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but that dude ain't that good. I'm I mean, why why are you putting him with that dude? You don't want him learning from him. And he's like, I was told I had to. I said, What do you mean you were told you had to? Well, he asked if the new guy could ride with him, and I told him, No, I'm gonna let Jason train him up or whatever. Jason's been in the area, knows the area better, does a real good job, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just want him one person learning. And he ran to HR and said something. HR said I had to be fair and let him ride with everybody. Bryan: Pussy gutter. Jason: You see what I'm saying? So that that whole inclusive, I meant if if you're not picked to mentor somebody, probably 'cause you're not a good mentor, maybe look yourself in the mirror, clean your shit up and then then you can mentor. So therefore now what do we do? We just expose this guy to what you can get away with and still get a paycheck 'cause we put him over here with this dude. And then we wonder Bryan: Yeah. Jason: why at the end of the day, wonder why this guy isn't pulling his weight, wonder why he's not in a you know. Well, 'cause you Bryan: Yep. Okay. Jason: put him with the ass bag over here. That's why. Well, we don't understand. Bryan: Steadily creating problems. That's what I said. They they're either too fucking stupid or they don't care. This is Jason: And why would they want more managers? You I never knew that. I didn't do those that's w Bryan: Well yeah, y you never Jason: higher payer that's higher paying jobs. Bryan: You ain't never looked at what middle management looks like in corporate America today? Jason: It's over stacked. They need less Bryan: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Jason: of them and more of a Bryan: That's why they need more managers because when you don't know somebody's job, it it creates more people to have to work. Jason: But that if you Bryan: Look, if if if you doing a job, all right, and I don't know your job and you quit, more than likely Jason: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: I'm gonna have to put in some most cases you gotta put two people to start the help with that job because one might be good at one thing and one might be good at the other. But that person was good at everything. So Jason: Right. Right. Bryan: you can't replace them with just one person. So you have to put two people in. And that's how that shit keeps to grow keeps growing because you have people that never did the work. You know, they don't Jason: Well Bryan: have the sweat equity. They don't understand the incubacy, so however you say that word of the fucking job, you know. All they know is what they've seen behind the scenes. So they know nothing. Jason: Yeah, but you think a business analysis would tell that business, hey, this isn't a good way to run your business because you guys got a lot of higher paid people that if you just hired Bryan: it's ridiculous. Jason: the lower paid people and and trained them up well, you wouldn't have to have all these higher paid people making Bryan: Well, Jason: decisions. Bryan: are you always staffed at what you need? Have you ever heard of anybody in in up above you being short staffed? Fucking amazing, ain't it? You know, you you'll you'll Jason: And how does the Bryan: see these motherfuckers up there in these offices. And you know, they they talk about these meetings they have, and you always hear about how, you know, make sure you take your time off during the holidays and enjoy your family and all this other shit. And you just working your ass off and you're seeing these emails come through, and you're like, Are you fucking serious? You know. Jason: Dude, it's Friday night and were you not on the phone earlier with one of your guys? They're still on site, aren't they? Bryan: Yeah. Yeah. Jason: Are they not or do they not get to spend time with their family, do they? Bryan: No. No, but they don't they don't see that. You know, but that's the teeth of people that's making the decisions for the people that work like this. You know? They think everybody's life's like that. It's the same way that we always talk about the politicians and elites are out of touch with who we are. We don't understand them no more than they understand us. Period. Everyone says, Well, you just don't know what it's like to be that. You really think he knows what it's like to be me? You know? No. Yeah, I don't want to hear. Well, all right, let's keep going. So d this is Brian Gross. I have a few videos for him this week and this is discussing work related issues. Here's how management creates mediocrity if I can find it. There we go. Jason: Mediocracy. Mediocracy. Bryan: What he said. Pretty good, Jason: Dude that I'm sitting there like Bryan: That's me. Jason: What's I'm gonna look at dude up. I'm gonna see if he's in our directory. Bryan: Like Ron Weiss say whenever he was listening to Tele Evangelist at three in the morning, drunk in his beanbag chair eating Cheetos. That's me. Why Jason: Yeah. Yeah. How do you know? Bryan: don't you go ahead and give me a thousand dollars? Well, well, thought it was me because he ain't talking to me. Jason: Be yeah. Do you ask for that? No, he's a hundred percent right. I mean I and I as a supervisor I took that the wrong way. I I felt Bryan: What's that? Jason: like guys were defiant. And you know what? Some other people will tell you those guys, even though they're real good and they're all this and they're you're they're toxic 'cause they're not team players. Bryan: yeah, they yeah, they will turn it on. Jason: And you need to get rid of those people. Even if they're your best person, get rid of because they're they'll cause cancer. Bryan: But the problem is is they're they're not the cancer. The cancer is all around them. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: But when you have that much cancer, you don't see what's actually good. Jason: Yeah. They're trying to make the business better. Bryan: Yeah, when you have Jason: And Bryan: people that treat especially big companies like it's their own, you know, trying to do their best to save a dollar. Yeah, you Jason: Yeah. That's special. That's special. Bryan: you need to hold on to that. I I I watch guys do that all the time at our branch. And it's like Jason: Yeah. Bryan: no one cares. You know, you see these other branches just just deling out money, you know, like they don't give a shit. It don't matter. And you trying Jason: Right. Bryan: to pinch every penny for this company, and no one cares. I can't say no one. No one above my manager gives a shit. You know Jason: Yeah. Bryan: what I'm saying? All they care or they care that we spent one more dollar than we should have, you know. They care about that, but the majority of it they don't give a shit about. Just turn in your profits. We're good. Jason: Yeah, it's like they got a line drawn somewhere in their big corporate offices that says no shit beyond this 'cause you can't give a shit. So you're not allowed to take any shits past this line, so you don't Bryan: That's right. Jason: have one to give. Bryan: No. All right. Let's visit old Mike Rowe. He's gonna tell us about the job openings here in the United States. Catch all that? Jason: i e bananas. I gonna start singing that Gwen Stefani song. Bryan: yeah. Jason: B A N N A N A bananas or however the hell she'd say that. Everybody's Bryan: So Jason: out there Shut up Bryan: we we created a culture Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: of basic ass people to work with, you know, nobody's gonna overachieve anymore. And now we got seven point two million able bodied men, according to Mike Rowe, that aren't even looking for jobs. Jason: You know, I wanna make the comment, but I gotta watch like I said, I try not to bring up my work and all that stuff on this podcast because I'm not trying to get myself in any pickle. But I told you what happened, I think it was l last week. Not this last week here, but the week before, where I came in that one night, went to go meet one of my guys, and then I came back and I get an email from one of my my new guys, and he just left. Now, in all our faction, I even told my guys at work, I was like, Yeah, my Marine buddy that I do my podcast with tried to took a take up for this bastard. They just shook their head. Like, this dude's gotta be messed up in the head if he's trying to this Bryan: Ha ha Jason: is a good paying job. And it's not that hard. Now, I just told you earlier, yeah, we we go through a lot of stuff with like the weather and all that stuff, the elements, but you're giving like car hearts stuff. You know what I'm saying? You're giving plenty of free stuff to keep you semi comfortable. And there's some stuff we do, like last night them guys got their butts tore up on that cut. It it whipped everybody's butt. I mean, they were just demoralized this morning. And it that happens too, but for the most part, our our business as usual stuff is not that complicated and not that hard. And it pays really well. Our company takes care of you. All the perks and all that stuff are really good with this company. It's been good to me for 26 years. And this cat just he's a young dude with with a with a shared daughter, and he he just bounces. And one of the big bounces was is because I was going to require him every other week or every two weeks for two weeks at a time to go from go stay at another city. And then he could go home on the weekend and come back and then he would be in his area for two weeks, two weeks on, two weeks off, back and forth. And it's only a couple hours in between the two, right? Hour and a half, two hours. I drive that. on any given night I'll go to those areas. And it's the same thing for me. So to make this quick, the the this younger, it's getting worse. Now you said maybe they're the smart ones. We've talked about this maybe right? Are they Bryan: Yeah, maybe the older smart ones. Jason: the smart ones that they're not going to put up with a bunch of bull crap and they'll just leave knowing that you're not I'm I you don't own me. Bryan: That's right. Jason: The company store, right, doesn't own me. So But at the end of the day, you gotta be able to survive. You're not gonna find find a lot of good paying jobs around our area. Coal mines, electrical workers like the the utility guys and then the lower utility people like phone and cable and things like that. The a lot of your factories don't pay a whole lot of money, Brian. And it's boring ass hot work. I mean, just yeah, factories are horrible. I I I would if I had to survive, but it'd be my last choice. I think I'd rather go work at Taco Bell or McDonald's than I would a factory. Okay. Bryan: Okay. Let me let let's play this out real quick since you brought that up. Why do you need so much money to survive? Jason: 'Cause everything's expensive as hell. Bryan: Okay, all right. Why is everything expensive? Jason: Price oil. That's what I get told because of the gas the if the gas is up th then the foods go up and everything else. Supply and demand. Okay. Bryan: Because of okay. I mean, let no, yeah, but let let's just take this whole let's take this year out, right? Supply and demand. Okay. So if I'm a young person, right, and I have this mentality, and I'm not saying these young people have this this mentality I'm about to talk to, but they have this mentality about jobs. What if they're minimalists and they don't need as much shit as we've all seem to accumulate? Maybe they don't need to have storage shits. They don't need to have, you know, shit stacked everywhere because they minimalist. So in theory, if they buying less shit, and I'm not saying that they are, but if in theory, if they would buy less shit, that means they would consume less, right? So you would need less shit. So the demand, the supply would go up, which would drive the demand down, so things would get cheaper, so you wouldn't need as much money. The corporations wouldn't make as much money, but In theory your shit wouldn't cost as much either. You would almost have to reverse the small town mentality that way. You know, the the younger generation quits going to Walmart. They start shopping at the the local store, you know. Yeah, they they quit Jason: The shore, yes. But Bryan: going to Lowe's and they start going back to the the community. You know, they start doing shit like that, you're not gonna need as much money because there ain't gonna be as much as demand. The only reason there's so much of demand for everything out here is because we think we gotta buy everything. Everything. I mean. Jason: Hey, Bryan: Fuck. Jason: something as simple as an electronic grill brush that I'd seen on TikTok, and I was like, man, that would be so good to clean my damn smoker and my charcoal grill. Dude, I've fired my smoker up like three times this year. I told Holly, I gotta have it. She'd spent like 60 bucks on that thing. It may be ruined. It was in a bucket on my grill and it's r it's rained, and there was like three inches of water in that bucket. So that thing got wet. It ran, but I don't know how long it'll run. You're right. I buy. spontaneous buying of something that I think would be really cool and I use it once or twice and then forget about it. Because I I'd live so long without it that Bryan: Exactly. Jason: I really have a need for that. Bryan: But I mean, we just became a society of that. We just buy shit. Maybe the younger generation don't end up being like that. Hopefully they're not and they can turn this shit around. But and and again, I could be completely wrong about why those people quit their jobs. I'm just saying it could get cheaper if they be they are minimalists. They are thinking more like, fuck the man, you know, we going back to rage against the machine. You know, you know what I'm getting at? Jason: But looking at that young man's age and how I was at that age with my kids, no, I put up with a lot of shit because I was gonna provide for my family is what I'm saying. Bryan: No, I agree with you and I'll be honest with you. You're more than likely right. Jason: If he was single with no kids, I would have like, Yeah, go do you. I under I totally understand. This kid's got it or got a kid. Bryan: I I you're more than likely right. I'm not gonna argue that. I'm just showing you that there are other sides, you know, and it could be, I don't know. Yeah. That was my long way of saying, okay. Jason: Yeah, I I would have just appreciated, man, that was screwed up. And Brian's like, Well, ps you blame him? I'm like Bryan: Man, I was fucked up. I can't believe that dude did that shit to you, bitch. I mean, fuck. Want me to go get him? I get him. I get him. Jason: Y y yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get your ass up here. Bryan: That makes you feel better. I got you. Man, I got you. I was not even supporting Jason: Man, you didn't even support you didn't even support me that night. You're like you were supporting some cat you didn't even know. Bryan: him. I was trying to think how he would thought. I don't know. I mean, why would you leave a good job? That's the only reasons I can think of. No, I like to well, yeah, I like to think other shit. Jason: You're weird like that. You're weird like that. I'd be like, man, this dude just killed this guy over here, and you be taking up for the dude that killed the dude. You be like, maybe he did something that deserved it, Jason. You ever thought of that? It's like I'm like looking at you like, did he just say that? Well, you don't know what that dude was going through. Bryan: No, I'm not taking up for I'm trying to understand the other side of it. Why wouldn't you want to know both sides? We might have. You don't. I say that all the time about people, you know, they they start blowing their horn and all and just like you ain't gonna say nothing. Why? I mean I don't know what that person's going through. They might be having a bad day. Just because they're having a bad day don't mean I'm gonna have a bad day. You know? Jason: You seen that Russell Crowe movie where he flips out on the road, chases that woman for two hours, invades her house, tries to kill Yeah, he was fat too. Bryan: Yeah, I forgot about that movie. See, you don't fuck with people. Yeah, I forgot about that. All right, back to No, there you go. All right. Jason: You don't watch movies. Yeah. If you'd watch more movies, you'd you'd have more insight on that shit. Like go ahead. Bryan: So let's let's see about these job openings. How fucked up is that? Jason: You wearing a nightgown? Bryan: See, I I kept I I wanted to ask you that 'cause that's like the third time I watched that video and every time I watch it, I'm like, is she in a nightgown? Is that a blouse? I don't know. That fucks me up too though. I'm glad you said so. 'Cause that been fucking me up ever since I seen it the first time. Jason: That's that's scary me and you both thought that's like I don't I don't even hear what the hell she said. I was just wondering if she was in her pajamas. You're one of them people. Bryan: Yes. Jason: Now, hey, I support what she says. Do I think companies are patting and making it look like they got a lot of openings? Maybe it helps Trump say that we got the biggest workforce and blah, blah, blah. And I've heard of a lot of people applying for a lot of jobs and not hearing nothing back. But also COVID Bryan: They bo hold on. Jason: pushed a lot of people to not a wanna go back to work because they were paying these people to stay at home. You know what I mean? So there it she's Bryan: No, well, I think one thing that she's hinting to also though is if you show that you have a lot of job openings, that shows that your business is growing. And that Jason: Yes. Bryan: that also helps with your stock and all this other shit, you know? Jason: Well, I can look at it two ways. Either your business is growing or you got a lot of turnover. And if you got a lot of turnover, yeah. Bryan: I I always look at it like a lot of turnover, but a lot of people won't look at it like that. Jason: Yeah. I look at it that it's more to me, not not that we're getting we're growing. I meant my company just merged with another one and that could open some more opportunities. Now the problem is is the one that they're merging with, there's that company's nowhere near me. So it's not gonna open up any Opportunities around here per se, but it will if you want to travel within the the United States, right? To another area. We just got a lot bigger. But in the same fact, we if you go into our career thing and look, there's a lot of job openings. Do you want to travel? Do you want to take this? Do you want to do this? A lot of people don't want to work anymore. And I see Bryan: You're right. Jason: that with as a supervisor with some of the younger people, they just don't want to. We had another cat up there that got hired by somebody else. I was in on that interview and I was like, Man, this dude's a goal getter. He ain't now. He ain't now. Bryan: Well, I mean Jason: He's got that look of I regret the decision I made. It's like Bryan: It's fucked up. I I mean I understand, you know, the Jason: They come sell themselves in that interview, Brian, and then they get in there and they can't they can't handle what you and you clearly tell them exactly what they're gonna be doing. And they're able to talk to the guys that are doing that. And they're telling them, dude, you might want to rethink this. You know, this is I know it looks cool what we're we gotta drive around and blah, blah, blah, but it's not exactly what you think it is. no, man, I w I'm ready. I'm ready. And then you get them in there. And it's It's Bryan: But do you have a high turnover? Jason: We've got more than what we used to. Used to you had to wait for a guy to retire or die to get one of our jobs. And I shit you not. And and Lord help if it was the l the later of the two and we did have that happen a few times. Bryan: I think we have a high turnover too, but I get told that we don't. And and I get told that we don't because the people that leave, they wasn't any good. And in some cases, that's the truth. But I can't believe that everyone that leaves wasn't, you know, gonna cut it. I start wondering what could we have done to help them be better? I mean, did we do everything we need? Did we give them all the training? Did we give them the attention? What are we missing? What what could we learn from this? What do we miss? Why why is this guy wanting to leave? But w we don't get that feedback. I think if we had that feedback, we'd know what we could be doing wrong also. It's not always the employees' fault. Jason: It it it takes yes, it takes a lot to get rid of an employee for performance unless Bryan: Yes. Jason: they just up and quit. Because you have to train and retrain and retrain and document and document and document and spend all this time. It it's it's a it's a hard thing. The other thing is is yes, we w have we kept hold of people we should have got rid of along. Yes, we did. You know why? Because we had good guys that retired or found something different and good good for them, hey, or or went on to be a supervisor. You know what I'm saying? And that's what we want. I like to see people grow and and and expand themselves or or or or go for something that they wanted. And guess what? You get that dreaded call. hey, just letting you know we're not we're not backfilling that position. Like, what? Yeah, we they ran some numbers and you guys aren't y y'all don't have enough Bryan: Yeah, y yeah, you don't need that head count. Jason: work going on for for that haycount. We're gonna move that body over here. Bryan: Treat your employees like fucking inventory. Jason: So yeah, we need we yeah. Well we need to we need the tools and the truck. Just put the tools on the truck and we're gonna send two supervisors from over there to come pick that truck up and bring it for their they're getting that headcount over there. You know, so when I would have guys come in and shut my door, man, we gotta get rid of this dude. We gotta get I said, okay, do you you wanna pull extra on call? They're on an on call rotation in most areas. In in these little areas, because we don't have enough headcount to cover twenty four seven, right? So we don't have every shift covered. So the gaps have to be covered by on call guys. So you're like, Do you wanna pull pull extra on call? Well, no. Do you want to do this? No. Do you want to pull extra holidays? No. Then guess what happens when I let go of this cat and they don't rehire? That gap has to be filled. And they look at you and I'm like, what do you want me to do? Never mind. And they walk out the door and they put up with it. And it just drives morale. It it puts it in the dirt. And the guy knows it. The shipbird knows that. He reads the room. Bryan: They don't care. It doesn't matter. He learned the game. Jason: Well he did. Bryan: We we still have it. That's the problem. I I I hate to even say that. It's like we're the ones that's still bailing out this sinking ship. You know, the people that jumped off this motherfucker living a good life. I I can't say good life, but they're not stressed like you are or like I might be, you know, on our jobs. Cause if it gets to that point, fuck it. Why the hell I gotta keep doing this? And then they likely the next job they're gonna get is go pay more because they left this job. They I don't think they've ever had the experience. I can't say that either, because they said it's hard to find jobs now. But you know, when is when jobs are tight and it's really hard to get a fucking job and you need a job, you know, when you experience that enough, you know that hey, look, maybe I don't want to switch jobs. You know. Or they know that You don't get rewarded for staying at your fucking company majority of the time. Majority of the time if you leave and come back, you get paid more than if you know, if you just stayed there. And Jason: My next job will be something like Walmart or like stocking shelves at Walmart. Or I guess if I'm old enough, the door greeter, 'cause that's al always an old dude or an old woman. Or Menards or Lowe's or Home Depot. You know what I'm saying? Or or our local hardware store. I I I'm too I say I am. I'm too old to learn another crap and I'm too old to get into th some of these newer Like coal mines, I'm not going down in the mines and shoveling coal and running a pinner and all that. I'm too old for that. I'm I'm too out of shape. I'd even if I started working out, Brian, I'd fall apart. I'm I'm just I'm not I'm not going and starting a new career at fifty one years old. I might go mow lawns for my buddy or something like that. If I just need, you know, I'd like to get my house paid off and I I don't own a lot. my house is my only payment right now. I'll put that out there. I don't care what people know. My truck, my car, it's all paid for. It's not something elaborate. You've seen my vehicles. They're not elaborate. They're used. I've never bought a brand new vehicle. Never have bought a brand new vehicle off a lot. I've always bought used. Couple years old, gently used. But if I could pay my house off then and don't need all that, you know what kills me is insurance. Bryan: I think that kills just about everybody. Fucking that insurance. Jason: If I didn't have to have the medical insurance and then Holly's past with the cancer and all that stuff and no telling what I'm gonna get when I get a little bit older from all the shots and crap I've had and sp Bryan: You don't you don't need insurance. You just need insurance if you want to live. Jason: No, 'cause y well, no no. You know what I'm hearing? Some people are telling me that when you don't have insurance Sometimes it's cheaper when you tell the hospital or the doctor's office you don't have insurance. I don't know. We'll we'll have to do some research on that. That'll be another show, but continue on. Sorry. Bryan: There you go, we Jason: I'll I'll do some damn figuring. I'll talk to my damn mom and sister with their medical jargons. I'll be throwing Bryan: All right. There we go. Jason: words at you, you be like Bryan: That's right. There you go. As long as you can pronounce I can't pronounce them big words. All right. Here you go. Let's Jason: Ask Siri, she'll tell you. Bryan: check this one out. This is sucking off the government. Jason: Mm. Bryan: The able bodied people are sucking off the system. Jason: I'm not trying to rush this podcast but next, I don't even wanna talk about section eight and all that. I'm being serious. I'm trying to be Bryan: Ha ha ha. Jason: respectful, dude, because it ne it is needed for some people. It is. Bryan: no what I was getting at was Can we we have all these jobs that open, right? And then Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: we have all these able bodied people that are in government assistance. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: I don't understand how we can't mesh these things together. It doesn't make any sense to me, you know, that we we're constantly shelling all this money out and then we gotta bring illegals in. Jason: Damn, we're gonna end up having a two hour podcast on this tonight. Because you pick good stuff. Bryan: fuck. Jason: but sometimes there's some stuff that is just like in your head that's has a hard time penetrating mind, but this is hitting I think you do this, maybe. Bryan: No, I thought you would enjoy because this is just blue collar shit. Jason: I'm enjoying the hell out of it. And it's and it's actually like like when we go to do our little clips and stuff like that for the internet, a lot of times there's a lot of man, that was all Brian. That was all Brian. That was all Brian. Because some of the stuff that you talk about is deep, deep, deep, deep. Like Bryan: Yeah. Jason: all up in your stuff. And and all you hear from me on it is, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But tonight, dude, is like you've got me like all like wrapped up in this stuff because I deal with it. I see it. I've been in it. I've, you know, in my profession, in and out of homes and stuff. You know what I'm saying? And you see, you can't cut it off. I say it needs to be cut off, but you can't. You will starve the shit out of people. I ain't kidding. People will die. Kids will die. It's that damn deep, Brian, that you can't shut off Section Eight and welfare. Or people will die. Bryan: Yeah, I don't think that you could shut it off, but d y you gotta find a way to start weaning. You know? We have to. Jason: How you gotta wean the kids off. You gotta get the kids trained. Like maybe push some of that money or get some of that damn defense money we were talking about earlier, how the defense gets all this money and never Bryan: Yeah. Jason: passes it on. Borrow some of them billions and trillions that they get and put towards teaching these kids a skill. These, these kids who And target them. I'm sorry, you're gonna get targeted. If your family's on welfare and has been on it for a long time, you're gonna be made mandatory to go to these to learn how to weld or learn how to do electrical or to learn how to do this. We have to get you into the workforce and get your damn family off of this shit. The family that's already on it, dependent on it, if we shut it down right now, they're gonna starve and so are the kids. They am I d am I line? Bryan: No, I I I don't think that we should cut it Jason: They're they're too far gone. Bryan: Yeah, I think there has to be reform. We have to do reform on this somehow. You know, how I don't know, but we have to I think it has to be Jason: That's what's that look like? Bryan: I think it looks more like first I think you have to go in and train. You you have to bring good education to these areas. You just have to. I Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: mean, I know we have public schools, but we just have to bring investments and stuff like that. And I'm talking about all poor communities. Not just the ones with section eight, you know, all poor communities, they should be bringing this information and and the more you give this information out, the more chance that these people can survive on their own. The problem is the government don't want that. They don't want these people to get better. Jason: Well w what did we say? If they're dependent on the government, the government has control. Bryan: Exactly. They have their votes. They don't want these people to get better. And and these people I'm not blaming them. I mean, they they found a life to where they can support themselves and that's just how they live. That's how they learn to live, right? Jason: I wish I still had this. It was I don't it may have been on Facebook because TikTok wasn't a thing then. Or or maybe it was My Space or No, it wasn't MySpace. That's where people just shared stuff. Facebook comes up with other stuff. There was a breakdown of how a husband and wife could work the government by getting a divorce but still love each other and and stay it's just paper. It's just that can't be together on paper. We can be together in person, but we can't be together on paper and make over eighty thousand and this was when eighty thousand was good money. You could make over eighty thousand a year doing this. Bryan: So what you just said right there means that they teaching people that lying is profitable. Jason: Yes. Bryan: And we wonder today why no one's trusted. We created a world of liars. Jason: Yeah. People that learn how to manipulate the system. Bryan: Yes, that you benefit more from manipulation than you do just being straightforward. And Jason: That's right. Bryan: that's probably why the corporations are like that, because I always said the biggest thief is the one that's always thinking you someone's stealing from them. You know, someone that always thinks somebody's stealing from us because they a fucking thief. Everyone I've been around has ever been a thief always thought somebody was stealing. It's like motherfucker, you the only one that steals anything. You know? Jason: What was the joke in the Marine Corps? There was only one thief. Everybody else was just trying to get their ship back. Bryan: That's right. Jason: One dude was the first one that took something from somebody, then that person had to take something from somebody else to get his back and then so on, so on. It started with one person doing it. Bryan: Yeah, so I think now we just we just created that fucking lying world. Jason: Well, we're all thieves and law breakers at some point in our lives, are we not? Bryan: Yes, just some are very good at it and some are very re repetitive. Jason: what about the questionnaire we had to fill out for that VA consultation thing? Have you do you break the law? If so, how often? I had to call my Bryan: Yes. I put once a week. Jason: wife in there and say, are they talking about major laws or are they talking about breaking the speed limit? Bryan: I was the same. No, I I I went as small as speed limit. That Jason: Yeah. Bryan: was my thought pattern anyway. Jason: Yeah. And she goes, I think they're talking about law is law, honey. Kind of like sin is sin. Stop categorizing. Law is law. That that speed that posted speed limit is not a suggestion. It is Bryan: It's the law. Jason: it's the law. Now you can go under it, but you can't go you're not supposed to go over it. Bryan: And even some spots you can't go under it only so much and then it can still pull you. Jason: Yes, they will put a they'll put minimum speed on the bottom. I've seen that. Bryan: I got pulled over for going too slow in Interda on Interstate. Jason: Yeah, look at you, slow bastard. Bryan: I know. I was I didn't know why they would pull me over. Jason: Dude, I thought I was doing a hundred. Jeez. Bryan: I was going to work. I was going to work. I was falling asleep actually. Jason: geez. Glad you were going slow. Thank God you made it there. Bryan: He said he said, you know why I'm pulling you over? I said, I have no idea. He's like, you going 45 and a 60, and I was in the fast lane. Jason: Okay. Bryan: He said, Is there any reason why you're going so slow? I said, I ain't in no hurry to get to work. I didn't want to tell him why I just woke up. Jason: Said you wanna come to my job, you'll see. Bryan: Yeah. Jason: Come spend a day with me. You'll see why I'm taking my sweet ass time. You should have Bryan: well. They ain't not letting me go. Jason: said shit, I meant to go slower than that. I can't believe I'm in a hurry. Bryan: I think what it was, Jen was riding with me because sh she worked at the same place. And she was like, I thought you seen him behind you. I was like, No, she said he'd been trying to get around you, so he was probably just pissed off cause I was fucking holding Jason: yeah. Bryan: him up. So he threw his lights on. No well. Alright, so Jason: But that that that isn't a good good good video title though. People sucking off government benefits. Bryan: When you first when you first see it, you're like, yeah, I bet you can suck off government. Jason: She says, you know, I work with section eight. I guarantee she can work a section of eight inches. I'm glad my mom bought my Bryan: All right. Here's who benefits from the taxpayer money. Jason: mom don't listen to this. Go ahead. Bryan: But Flee Sim. Jason: I see you fine. I'm just thinking. 'Cause Bryan: Ha ha. Jason: I liked what he said at the end. He said they know the government never runs out of money. So why if they never run out of money, why do we have to pay? Bryan: That's a good question. Why do we have to pay taxes? Jason: It's a g it's a form of control. Bryan: Yeah. Where does that money go? Jason: Okay, listen, listen. You were talking about your daughter came and stayed with you. And I guarantee you would have opened your house to her as long as she needed a place to stay, correct? 'Cause I know my buddy. Same here with mine, but we we gotta put a cap, you know, me and my wife would have to draw a a a timeline, like they gotta be out by hand. But I'm not gonna watch my kids suffer. I afford my house with my daughter here or not. Right? I don't need her money to pay my house and my r and my damn utilities and all that. And if she came and stayed, other than groceries, but my water and my electricity isn't really gonna be affected. I got LEDs, my whole house is LED'd. I don't run regular bulbs, right? So throwing a light on doesn't really pull that much electricity. She's not gonna cost the heat and air anymore because unless she's in and out of the door all the time. She's not gonna be in and out the more than I am. So a lot of my stuff isn't gonna be affected with her staying here. But most people would charge her rent. Why? Bryan: 'Cause it's not their family. Jason: No, I've known family that would be like, Yeah, you can come stay with me, but I hate to say you're gonna have to pay some rent. You're not just Bryan: You serious? Jason: gonna mooch off me. Bryan: Bamley would actually do that? Jason: I've s yeah, I've heard of it. It's a control thing. When you look at people that that require somebody that need like if you needed somewhere to say you're not blood family, Brian, but you're you're you're you're one of my well, you you are my best friend, other my wife. If you if you caught up and said, dude, we got to get out of here, blah, blah, blah. Come on. I ain't kidding. I'll cons I'll take the I'll turn my office. Holly won't give up hers, because that's just how she is. We'll figure something out and we'll give Bryan: Yeah. Jason: you and Jen a place to stay. And I'm not going to charge you rent. But there's people that would charge you rent because, dude, if you're going to stay in my house, you're going to play by my rules and you're going to pay some rent. You're going to help with the utilities. You're going to help with the You're gonna pay a little bit of rent. You're gonna pay on groceries. Now, groceries I could understand because that Bryan: Yeah. Jason: could be affected, but like the utility and shit, water, you don't pay hardly shit for water. Seriously. Go go do the gallons to whatever you pay. It ain't much. It's like twenty-five, not even that, probably one cent a gallon or five cents a gallon. I'm not I ain't gonna die over you taking a shower or washing your hands. But people will charge you it's a control mechanism. It's more control. Bryan: Could be. Jason: Dude, they just keep printing it anyways. The dude just said that. They know the government will never run out of money. they're gonna, yeah. My my mind's so screwed up right now because we don't even care about our debt in the United States. They don't. They don't give a shit about our debt. They keep Bryan: That's been a while. No. Jason: throwing it out there, but they don't give it, they just keep blowing it. Bryan: No, we're gonna give another half a billion to the Defense Department and we're gonna put Israel in with you know. Jason: What a we every week you almost bring up some kind of fraud that they found. Bryan: Yeah, that it's all it is is fraud. Jason: So why do we pay taxes? Bryan: To launder money to somebody else's pockets, I don't fucking know. Evidently evidently they printing money to run our country and we're paying taxes to the people that actually run the country. So the people that actually run the country are pocketing our money and they're just printing what they need. Jason: Why don't they just leave our shit alone? We'll just go out and work and just let me have that that extra what is it, thirty percent? It's a control. Bryan: Because you see they 'cause they're gonna get their money first and they're gonna invest their money into gold and then they're gonna give us just the paper money back that's worthless. Jason: It's shackles and chains, dude. It's shackles and chains. Bryan: You're right. Jason: You can't tell me any different now after especially I seen that TikTok video earlier this week too. That I I dealt I watched it all and the guy's like, a hundred and fifty million dollars a minute or an hour. Can you believe that? And they're just sitting there talking about it. Do something about it. Who is Bryan: They don't Jason: that Congress or man or senator that was talking? Bryan: I Josh Hawley. Jason: Okay, Josh, get d say, okay, this enough of this adjourned, we're gonna go stop this shit. No. Are you telling me? Are you telling me I see him on videos all the time questioning Bryan: Do you think any of them politicians want to stop anything? Jason: No. But he acts like he's Bryan: Now when it comes to Jason: concerned, and now you got that younger dude that looks like Clark Kent off of Superman. Who's Bryan: Well. Jason: that dude? Bryan: I don't know. What are you talking about? Jason: Yeah, there's there's some younger cat that look I ain't kidding. If you if if I see him again, I'll send it to him. You'll be, yeah, you're right. That dude does look like Clark Kent from the first super Christopher Reeves back when he was younger. And he had that gelled up black hair, like kind of feathered Bryan: Yeah, but it Jason: over and twisted. Yeah. I don't know. There's some there's some congressman or senator that's in those hearings too that talk or that questions people. And he smiles the whole time he's going at Bryan: They all question people. Jason: I know but I'm talking like they're I think they're Republicans and they're questioning fraud and the crap that's going you know, the sexual exploitations and things like that and That but they don't do nothing about it. They have these hearings and they don't do not that nothing comes of Bryan: That's why it does it doesn't matter what they say, what they do. And they don't do a lot. It this don't change. We could probably go back the last twenty years and they probably was saying the same shit. We just wasn't paying attention to it twenty years ago. You know, it might have been on a smaller scale or something, but Jason: Let's make think we're doing stuff up here. Yeah. Bryan: Yeah. Hey, we haven't ran this play in a while. Jason: I bet you it's Aaron Rodgers DeJordy Nelson again. Damn, how'd you guess that? Bryan: Damn they're catching on to that one, Bill. Well go ahead and change Jason: Yeah yeah. Bryan: it up. Run the double reverse. Run the double reverse. Jason: Alvin Kamara. I betcha yeah, I betcha they hand off to Alvin Kamara or throw to him out of the flat. How'd they know that one was good? How'd you know that, dude? You're Bryan: Yeah. Jason: a genius, like. Didn't see that one coming. Bryan: All right. Well we lost I w I wanna play a couple more videos before we get out of here. So they got Jason: No, go ahead. Bryan: this next one and it explains basically where we at as an employee and a owner. The leader. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: The leader should be the one. I don't think either side's ever gonna figure this out until something collapses. It's he makes a lot of sense. I mean it is on both Jason: Yeah. Bryan: sides, but Jason: Yeah. And there's another guy that I've heard that says stop expecting your employee to have the same buy into your company that you do as the owner. Because they're not the owner of the company. That you're the owner. Stop expecting them to have the same drive and the same not priority. What it what's that or sense of urgency that you have because they're just an employee. that shows up to do a certain thing for a paycheck to go home. You know, unless you're gonna invest your your employees in to where they're part owners of that company. Now that would be cool. I don't know, to work for a company like that where you got paid depending on the profit of the company. Bryan: Yeah, it would and no it wouldn't at the same time. Because you're gonna end up with you're gonna end up with Jason: Yeah, th they could go either way. Yes, yep, you're right. Bryan: the same shit and you gonna be the one busting your ass and that guy over the Jason: Yeah, but if those employees that don't bust their ass, does does that give you a little bit more ability as that that structure? You know, Bryan: Well Jason: they're gonna keep the guys busting their ass because they're profit in the company and they're gonna get rid of the anchor, boat anchors is what we call them, because they're dragging the company down. You think that the the company leaders would be like, yeah, since we pay provided off profitability and and what you're doing, yeah, you gotta go. 'Cause you're you're you're holding us all back 'cause I even the leaders get paid based off of the profit. You see what I'm saying? Bryan: Yeah, and until it becomes that he's there's gonna be a point to where he's gonna be too efficient at that level. So you have too many guys making the most, right? So Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: if if you got X amount of guys that are excelling all the time and and you y you your profitability's going up, but now it's kids steadily going out to these guys, right? It's going up. Well now you know what? If you get some guys that you can cut that Profitability maybe down a little bit, but yet you paying out a little less. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Does that give you more money on your side? And I can see people just scheming it like that. You know, it's always gonna work Jason: I don't know. Bryan: out to the other guy. Jason: I think you'd have to work for a small company in order Yeah. Bryan: It w it would have to be a very small company to do something like that. Jason: When you do a corporation you're just you're gonna be like a cow in the out in the field. Bryan: And even on a smaller company, I think some people will work hard, but they're never gonna Jason: they will. Bryan: they're not gonna work as hard as the owner. I mean the owner, like you said, has more incentive. You know, this guy, okay, yeah, look, I just gave you twenty four hours, man. Yeah, but look, if we just do look, man, I just gave you twenty four hours straight. You know, I need a break. You know, and the owner might be wanting to go a little bit longer. I mean, I get that, but there there's that You know, give and take. You you don't want to let your boss down, but damn, man, you know. I this ain't safe for any of us. You know, we why are we pushing ourselves like this? I'm not gonna get nothing extra out of this, But this is leads right into this last video I'm gonna show. It's called The Hardest Workers I Know. Jason: You're talking to him. Bryan: Think about that. Jason: I agree. Bryan: So maybe we are wrong. Jason: But man, that dude talking about working two jobs. Bryan: No, what he's saying is instead of working twelve hours for one job, you know, you might be able to be smarter to put more effort into more things, you know. Jason: Yeah, that's more jobs. So instead of Bryan: Not if you do. Jason: working twelve hours for one, go work six hours here for this one and six hours over here for this one. Bryan: Yeah. Or or not even working for someone else, doing shit for yourself. You know? Jason: Yeah. Still it's some kind of side hustle or something, but Bryan: However you wanna do it. However you wanna do it. Jason: I was thinking about selling feet pigs, but them footsies Bryan: You know them footsers. All them futzers. Jason: just chase my wife around the house and just just hold still. Gotta pay the damn Bryan: All right. Jason: rent, woman. Bryan: I just thought that was a good way to wrap it up. Jason: No, it is yeah. Yeah, I hope people if you I gotta figure out how to throw that in on our little clips of telling people to go watch the full show, you will get a lot out of this. If not, you'll just cause a bunch of retards and we're fine with that. Bryan: We're fine with that. It's as actually Jason: But I am gonna get a doll and point where you hurt me at though. I'm gonna just start p I'm gonna get a hurt doll. Think I'm Bryan: I appreciate it. I if if you don't mind though, I want you to mark it because I want to see how many times I could hurt you in different spots. All right. Put put some Jason: I'm gonna put a little ba or a little sticker everywhere, like the Brian Hurt sticker. Bryan: fucking push pins in it like it's a well voodoo Jason: Voodoo doll. Bryan: doll. All right, man. You got anything else? Jason: Yeah. Hold on. Yeah. Sorry. My paraplegic basketball. No, it was the first one, so Bryan: Was that from this episode or the last one? Okay. Jason: sorry for any hopefully you're watching all the episodes and y'all catch the humor if not. We'll go back and watch the episode before this. And please don't cast me to Hades for that one. Bryan: you got anything else? Alright. Jason: No, that's it. Bryan: Thanks everyone for joining us tonight. It was a pleasure spending time with you. Until next time, this is the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I am Brian. He is Jason. Peace. Jason: No, no, I am Jason. Peace.