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Police Discover A Mass Killer's Secret Hideout · The conspiracy

• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Back overlim unlock the doors open right here.
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  Speaker 2: This is Sarah Evans. She's just found the body of
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: her good friend Benny King, covered in blood inside his
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  Speaker 2: own home.
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  Speaker 3: There's a.
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  Speaker 4: There's all over a wall.
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  Speaker 3: On my guest the ladder.
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  Speaker 2: The killer, however, was nowhere to be seen, and every
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  Speaker 2: witness they had blamed somebody different.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I know you're a skinny guy about six foot
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  Speaker 5: six with a young guy, he said, young, like, did
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  Speaker 5: you start to still there?
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  Speaker 6: She's been taking all his money.
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  Speaker 2: Weeks later, another murder happened across town in exactly the
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: same fashion. They now had a serial killer on their hands,
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  Speaker 2: and they had to do everything they could to figure
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  Speaker 2: out who it was and where they were hiding out
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  Speaker 2: before they killed again. Was it all started on April
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  Speaker 2: eighth when Akron police received this phone call.
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  Speaker 3: Of your mercy no.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately police rushed to the scene.
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  Speaker 7: Mhm okay, we'n hang over there, force and you can
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  Speaker 7: have room to work here.
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  Speaker 2: The ground floor had been ransacked, but it was the
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  Speaker 2: scene upstairs that had terrified Sarah. Upstairs lay her good friend,
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  Speaker 2: sixty nine year old Benny King, and cops would find
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  Speaker 2: that he'd been stabbed thirty three times.
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  Speaker 3: Where's his injuries? Right?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I had not touched Henny.
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  Speaker 9: All I did was touch him and see if you
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  Speaker 9: would say, but he's stepping cold.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna move him.
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  Speaker 2: Initially, the cops had no idea what could have possibly
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: happened to Benny, but as they explored the house more,
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  Speaker 2: a clear picture would slowly be painted of exactly what
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: had happened. His bed was absolutely soaked in blood, and
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  Speaker 2: his walls were covered in it too. Police presumed that
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  Speaker 2: Benny had been attacked in his bedroom before he crawled
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  Speaker 2: into the hallway begging for his life, where the killer
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  Speaker 2: finished the job. The majority of the cuts were to
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  Speaker 2: his head, neck, and upper body, but there were a
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  Speaker 2: few wounds on his hands as well, indicating that Benny
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  Speaker 2: had courageously tried to fight back. The police don't know
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  Speaker 2: this yet, but in just a few weeks this exact
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  Speaker 2: scene would be found across town in an identical murder.
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  Speaker 2: For now, though, what police found in the kitchen was
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  Speaker 2: even more bizarre, and the idea can't find her.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't figure around too much there.
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  Speaker 7: I'm really not going to well because the way you
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  Speaker 7: called it said that all cabinets in the kitchen are open,
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  Speaker 7: and she chucked on one right raised and said, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know why that would be by that, by someone
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  Speaker 7: who goes in there looking for something, Like all the
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  Speaker 7: counters here are open, I mean, who does this?
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  Speaker 2: Oddly, Though nothing seemed to have been displaced or stolen,
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  Speaker 2: something very strange is going on. So the cops turned
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  Speaker 2: to the person that discovered Benny's body, Sarah Evans, who
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  Speaker 2: had some crucial information that would start to spiral this
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  Speaker 2: case into a complex mystery.
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  Speaker 7: Was it the back door that you found found open?
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  Speaker 5: No, when I come back to eleven three, this door
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  Speaker 5: was locked, okay, And.
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  Speaker 3: When when I called you, when I come back.
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  Speaker 10: Up, the front door was unlocked.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. So you actually hear this morning thirty and you
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  Speaker 7: spoke to him then, No, I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't seem that. I thought he laid down take a nap.
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  Speaker 7: And then you came back a little bit after one,
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  Speaker 7: and that's when you found the door open.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unlocked.
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  Speaker 11: The back door unlocked too.
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  Speaker 2: Did this He usually keep his doors locked, so said,
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  Speaker 2: he locked it.
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  Speaker 3: He goes take a nap, but as soon as he
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  Speaker 3: gets up in the morning, he unlocks it. Was it dog?
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  Speaker 2: How when when you got here?
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  Speaker 10: Oh, the doll was.
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  Speaker 12: And that's finally awareness the standover the dog in.
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  Speaker 3: The chair for one.
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  Speaker 2: Detectives then asked Sarah if she could think of anyone
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  Speaker 2: who had any issues with Benny. That's when she mentioned
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  Speaker 2: two brothers, Justin and Johnny, who were often seen visiting Benny.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah also told them that they had ongoing problems with
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  Speaker 2: Benny and were sometimes seen fighting with each other. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: their most recent argument resulted in Benny chasing them off
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  Speaker 2: his property with a shotgun. Justin also had problems with
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  Speaker 2: drugs and was always on the lookout for a way
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  Speaker 2: to make money fast, so it's rumored that he'd stolen
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  Speaker 2: something of Benny's and pawned it, causing all these arguments.
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  Speaker 2: The drug addiction, history of exploiting Benny, as well as
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  Speaker 2: the gun incident just days prior, meant that police figured
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  Speaker 2: they finally had their suspects. But that's when Sarah mentioned
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  Speaker 2: a suspicious vehicle that had been spotted outside Benny's house
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  Speaker 2: right around the time of his staff.
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  Speaker 5: That was up through here.
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  Speaker 13: Earlier today this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it sped away.
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  Speaker 13: They come back.
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  Speaker 10: It was earlier morning, I come back and sped away again.
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  Speaker 13: He said it was a younger white guy driving who
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  Speaker 13: said that.
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  Speaker 5: A guy I can't tell you because.
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  Speaker 1: He's in trouble that works.
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  Speaker 6: For I have no idea, so I'm just giving you
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  Speaker 6: that for I was getting.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this seems like vital information. But the only guy
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  Speaker 2: that saw it is quite literally on the run from
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  Speaker 2: the cops without standing warrants. So the officer tries to
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  Speaker 2: see if he can strike a deal.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, we'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 7: There's an detective comming. Okay, I understand the other friend
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  Speaker 7: has has some warns. If it's possible that we can
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  Speaker 7: see we're not arresting, not doing anything, would you guys
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  Speaker 7: can go ask us if you want to talk, talk
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  Speaker 7: to us.
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  Speaker 3: Then.
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  Speaker 2: Ordinarily a fugitive would never agree to a deal like this,
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  Speaker 2: but because Benny was such a nice and respected guy
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  Speaker 2: in the nameghborhood, he comes outside just a few seconds
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  Speaker 2: later to tell the cops everything he knows.
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  Speaker 14: How's going, brother, I was here on my parents porch
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  Speaker 14: and not saw this goldish older style hummer, big body
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  Speaker 14: hummer speed away from over here. I don't like I
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  Speaker 14: didn't hear no noises like gunshots or anything about what
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  Speaker 14: time was?
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  Speaker 13: What was that?
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  Speaker 15: Uh?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, ten thirty eleven ish I was up here, maybe twelve.
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  Speaker 1: I came up here.
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  Speaker 13: No, it had to be like I was up here
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  Speaker 13: at eleven thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it had to be ten thirty or something.
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  Speaker 12: Okay.
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  Speaker 14: So between streaming about something and all this happened, she
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  Speaker 14: discovered that I've not seen that.
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  Speaker 7: You've never seen that coming around here and nothing. Did
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  Speaker 7: you have to have her to see who was?
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  Speaker 5: Who is driving a white male? Okay, belondes, short hair, short,
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  Speaker 5: kind of crew cut like gears. Okay, I would say
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  Speaker 5: anywhere from his mid twenties thirty thirties. He sped around
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  Speaker 5: the corner so fast his tires were squealing.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: If the car had shown up around twelve that night,
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: that's right in between Sarah's two visits to Benny's house,
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  Speaker 2: the exact window where Benny was murdered, and with how
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: the car was allegedly driving, it really does seem as
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  Speaker 2: though this hummer has something to do with Benny's murder.
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  Speaker 2: They just need to figure out who was inside. And conveniently,
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  Speaker 2: a neighbor overheard this conversation and told the police that
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  Speaker 2: he knows a man in the neighborhood that drives a
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  Speaker 2: hummer exactly like the one described. Unfortunately, he doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: the guy's real name, only his nickname Jay Bird.
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  Speaker 3: You're just assuming j Bird.
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  Speaker 13: Being connected to a hommer crush.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know right now.
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  Speaker 10: I don't have any personal knowledge about that, but I
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  Speaker 10: know that I've seen him many times with them with
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  Speaker 10: a well color.
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  Speaker 3: Roughly, I say, you dussy, dussy gold.
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  Speaker 13: I gat so you've seen jay girl only trying this
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  Speaker 13: gold ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it sounded like this Jay Bird was a
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  Speaker 2: prime suspect, but nobody on the scene right now was
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  Speaker 2: able to tell them his real name. But before they're
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  Speaker 2: able to figure it out, they're confronted with a fourth suspect.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the last person that anyone had expected.
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  Speaker 2: This is Benny's daughter, Patricia, and as soon as she
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  Speaker 2: showed up on the scene, she seemed to already have
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  Speaker 2: her mind made up about who the killer really was.
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  Speaker 3: Away but.
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  Speaker 6: Did you start to it's down there. Let me say this,
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  Speaker 6: front me that lady down there has been paying his bills,
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  Speaker 6: and she's been taking all his money and not paying
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  Speaker 6: on his bills. So the gas bill I have not
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  Speaker 6: yet paid. I don't have a bill, so I don't
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  Speaker 6: have a bill to say, because she's not giving him
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  Speaker 6: the bills, she's keeping them. She's four, she is right
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  Speaker 6: on the receipt what she is supposed to.
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  Speaker 13: Pay versus what she really paid.
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  Speaker 6: And this has been going on for over three months,
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  Speaker 6: so she's never going all for three months. He's never
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  Speaker 6: had a bill that he never paid in full until
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  Speaker 6: this lady got the street decided that she was gonna
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  Speaker 6: help him. She took own herself to help him. And
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  Speaker 6: that's her way to get her drug fixed is by
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  Speaker 6: taking his money.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. She's talking about Sarah. Apparently, since she's taken
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  Speaker 2: over paying Benny's bills, they've all either been late or underpaid.
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  Speaker 2: Patricia is certain that she's been stealing money from Benny
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  Speaker 2: this way, and in fact, she thinks she might have
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  Speaker 2: stolen even more too.
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  Speaker 6: And his money's got to still be in there, because
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  Speaker 6: I know exactly where it's at. It's in a cabinet,
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  Speaker 6: in this kitchen and a coffee boat.
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  Speaker 3: That was cool.
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  Speaker 13: I'm tom, you should be at the body's normal.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be right back that.
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  Speaker 13: We're not referring out there.
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  Speaker 1: It was in here, So whoever did this knows exactly
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  Speaker 1: where he into money and she's won and Johnny, those
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  Speaker 1: are the two that come down here those who are
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  Speaker 1: the suspect.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you there's nobody else them too.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is starting to fall into place, and now makes
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  Speaker 2: sense why the cabinets were flung open. Whoever killed Benny
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  Speaker 2: was looking for money. And that's not even the biggest revelation.
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  Speaker 2: The cops were about to have not even clothes. Currently
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  Speaker 2: they have four suspects, and any one of them could
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  Speaker 2: be their killer. Each one of these could take days
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: to interview in process, but with every hour that passes,
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: the killer is getting closer to finding their next victim. Luckily,
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: after talking to another neighbor, they were given some vital
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  Speaker 2: information that cut down their search just a little bit
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  Speaker 2: and sent them in the direction of one man. In particular,
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  Speaker 2: they were able to discover that Justin, one of the
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  Speaker 2: suspected brothers from earlier, had a nickname Jay Bird. The money,
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  Speaker 2: the gun, the drugs, the hummer. Everything was lining up
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  Speaker 2: and in the cops' minds, this could definitely be their killer.
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  Speaker 2: So to ensure they had all the information possible, they
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  Speaker 2: started interviewing his brother Johnny, so that when they got
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  Speaker 2: around to Justin, they'd have no trouble getting him to
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  Speaker 2: confess all hell.
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  Speaker 13: Probably afternoon. I took my dog over there so you
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  Speaker 13: could see him, Me and my wife did. I had
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  Speaker 13: her take dog round back. Then I brought the dog
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  Speaker 13: in for a couple minutes he could pat it. He
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  Speaker 13: got pissed off about something, so we left. What what
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  Speaker 13: do you get pissed off about?
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  Speaker 3: He did?
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  Speaker 13: What did he get dog he's got? He don't like
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  Speaker 13: no other dogs, you know what I mean? Being around
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  Speaker 13: his little doll. Because he's praaded. The dog is gonna
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  Speaker 13: eat him. Do you do you go over and see
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  Speaker 13: him quite often? Yeh, sure do lodrin drink of beer,
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  Speaker 13: wouldn't just about every day?
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  Speaker 11: So you ast saw him yesterday about seven thirty.
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  Speaker 16: In the evening.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, what's this all about?
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  Speaker 14: He's dead.
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  Speaker 13: You gotta be kidding me.
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  Speaker 7: Damn, I'm not.
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  Speaker 13: Oh my god, I gotta go down there.
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  Speaker 2: The cops figured this reaction to be genuine, and as
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  Speaker 2: they talked to him more, they became certain that Johnny
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  Speaker 2: didn't know anything about the crime. But that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: his brother is innocent. In fact, what Johnny is about
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  Speaker 2: to say, actually makes the cops even more suspicious.
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  Speaker 17: Who is justin brother?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 17: Would he have seen him later than you?
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  Speaker 13: He ain't been a lot around down there. If somebody
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  Speaker 13: said they saw him down there, that wouldn't be true.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: I'm when I go down there, my brother ain't there.
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  Speaker 2: Usually Johnny and Justin would go and see Benny every
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: morning at around sunset, and that's been the case for
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  Speaker 2: the last three years since his wife passed away. Johnny
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  Speaker 2: can't think of a reason for Justin to be down
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  Speaker 2: there so early, especially not on his own without telling him.
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  Speaker 2: Johnny was even able to provide some extra details about
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  Speaker 2: the disagreement they had recently, proving to the cops just
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  Speaker 2: how heated it had gotten between them.
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  Speaker 13: He told, look, gets away from my house. Don't you
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  Speaker 13: ever come back again. I've loan your money four or
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  Speaker 13: five times on this bold junk stuff that you bring me.
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  Speaker 13: I'm on a fixed income here. I can't just keep giving.
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  Speaker 13: He physically pushed him.
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  Speaker 15: Oh yeah.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: By this point, the cops had already heard all they
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  Speaker 2: needed to hear. Nineteen hours later, they managed to track
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: down Justin and would bring him in for interrogation. Justin
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: was left in the interrogation room for around forty five
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: minutes before the interrogation began. This is a tactic used
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  Speaker 2: among many others to make Justin feel as uncomfortable as possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you are arrested for those lawrence we talked about.
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  Speaker 3: You got four lawrance on you? How you know it?
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  Speaker 3: What's your relationship with.
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  Speaker 4: You?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of take us to hear that. My brother he
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  Speaker 3: was more or less like a stepfather pretty much. So
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I should a stick at giving you a dollar or
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: cigarette or salty eat or you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Under the next door to him there for four or
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  Speaker 3: five months, and I had a warm which I went
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  Speaker 3: in my time and got it all taken care of,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So if you're asking, did
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  Speaker 3: I Q? No, I did not.
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  Speaker 2: Seems rather straightforward from Justin's perspective. He had exactly the
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  Speaker 2: same nice things to say about Benny and doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: stressed out or anxious about being here. He's leaning forwards
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  Speaker 2: towards the detective instead of instinctively pulling away. He's maintaining
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  Speaker 2: eye contact when he can, and his tone seems deliberate
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  Speaker 2: and genuine. Everything about how he's presenting himself is relaxed,
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  Speaker 2: as though he's just trying to give the detectives what
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  Speaker 2: they need and get out of there. But unfortunately, just
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  Speaker 2: saying you didn't murder someone isn't enough for the cops,
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  Speaker 2: so they decided to confront him with the evidence they've
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  Speaker 2: gathered against him.
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  Speaker 12: So, you know, we talked to.
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  Speaker 15: Everybody in the neighborhood. He said, for one person that
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  Speaker 15: they said he bagged from the house.
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  Speaker 3: Was yeah, he sent over money or what was that about?
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it was over money, but uh no, I
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  Speaker 3: it was my brother at to.
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  Speaker 15: Okay told me about Tell me sorry, did you say
• 16:43
  Speaker 15: anything about a shotgun?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? My brother. He's like, I should take my jack
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  Speaker 3: get down here. A couple of the twins in his head.
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  Speaker 3: He saidcast he never had a problem me money or
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  Speaker 3: anything on today or an out of his pocket. He
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  Speaker 3: was a good guy and Carl out.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Justin was banned from the house and there was an
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  Speaker 2: argument over money, but it doesn't seem like he held
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: that against Benny at all. But the detectives find this strange.
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  Speaker 2: All the signs pointed towards Justin being the killer, but
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  Speaker 2: now he seems like he had no issues with Benny
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  Speaker 2: at all, but they've still got their main piece of evidence.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Though his hummer was seen at Benny's house on the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: morning of the murder, that had to mean he was
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: lying this whole time, right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Uh, Droe? Or you used to grab a hommer, Homer?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: You ever grab a hommer in a neighborhood? That'll want
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  Speaker 3: to work on news.
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  Speaker 2: If you watch any interrogation where a guilty suspect is
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: confronted with a piece of valid evidence, their reaction is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: always very stiff and short. They try and deflect it
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: immediately by saying no, oh and explaining exactly why that
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  Speaker 2: could never be the case without showing a hint of emotion.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Justin is an ex convict that works various handyman jobs,
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  Speaker 2: jumping from place to place. He doesn't need to explain
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: why he doesn't own a forty thousand dollars SUV. His
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: facial expression when he's asked, alongside the way he laughs
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  Speaker 2: and jokes naturally about the concept, is enough to tell
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the detectives he was telling the truth. They still didn't
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: want to discount him completely as a suspect, but they
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: did figure that if he wasn't the killer, then he
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: might at least be able to help them out. So
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: they asked who he thought might have been responsible, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: his answer was someone they were very familiar with, Sarah.
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  Speaker 3: She knew she took.
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  Speaker 18: Fans Bright cards to the bank, foodstamps as well.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: My brother was felling me on the pall the other
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  Speaker 3: day and he thinks that she might have something to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: do with it. So I pulled a finger. I'd probably
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: checked her for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, he's talking about Sarah, and he's accusing her
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  Speaker 2: of exactly the same thing Patricia did earlier. And in
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: fact John had even mentioned this in his interview earlier
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that day too.
• 19:09
  Speaker 12: Anybody in that neighborhood or anybody have any problems with him,
• 19:12
  Speaker 12: or give him a rough down.
• 19:13
  Speaker 13: What's called down the street here's that I'm trying to
• 19:16
  Speaker 13: think of her name. She lives down at the end
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: of the road. She'd go over there and take his
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: money for Bill's well with the corner store, and I
• 19:23
  Speaker 13: was supposed to pay on all his bills. Will come
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: to find out she ain't been paying a full amount
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: on your bills. She's been only paying the half. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: I went over there one day, he said, after all
• 19:34
  Speaker 13: I've done for that kid.
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: Did they reconcile it or no?
• 19:37
  Speaker 13: He said, look, your thief, get the fuck out of
• 19:41
  Speaker 13: my house. Don't ever ask me for another time.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Quickly, the cops are starting to realize that Sarah wasn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the wonderful, trusted member of the community that they'd assume
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: she was. Now three people have claimed that she was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: exploiting Benny's trust to steal his money, and all are
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: saying that she could be the killer. To make matters
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: worse for her, He's also the only person left that
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: knew about his money stash in the coffee can. Things
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: are getting extremely complex, and the cops have already worked
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: tirelessly for days now. And the problem is the longer
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: this investigation goes on for, the longer the killer is
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: on the loose, meaning the higher the chances that they
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: might kill again. So now, six days after Benny's murder,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: detectives bring in Sarah for an interview. It was imperative
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that they either catch the killer right now or get
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: new information that brings them straight to them. If they don't,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: then they'll have no suspects, no leads, and a murderer
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: at large.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: You know that Carl got the Bards that we understand
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that he pays bills. About that, well, that's where we
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: had did not remember why I was still still that there.
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: In the interviews, similarly to Justin, Sarah doesn't deny the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: disagreement between them and fully admits that she took some
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: money from him to pay his bills, But again they
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: seem to make up and become friends again. This time
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: though the detectives aren't buying it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: Not win.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: So much is on the line we're hearing before we're
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: talking about. We're hearing what you're telling us, what we're
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: hearing from his daughter, and what is the best friends
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: telling us. Now we've been hearing it that he bandaged
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you from coming to his.
• 21:37
  Speaker 16: House too much, handling his bills or anything like that,
• 21:40
  Speaker 16: so much as the owner of the store calling him Sammy,
• 21:46
  Speaker 16: you're telling us that is not true.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: That's not true.
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: That is not true.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: It was up there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't go up there, so I had the forty
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: dollars I had to pay them.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Sarah is saying that all she took from Benny was
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: forty dollars, and she even paid it back. It just
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: been blown out of proportion as she wasn't able to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: get in contact with Patricia and Johnny to clear her name. Again,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: it's suspicious, But the detectives aren't going to get anything
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: more out of her on this front, so they decided
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: to ask her some more background questions. Usually these don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: end up solving the case, but this time one of
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: their questions provoked an answer that seriously piqued their interest.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: There's a lady who was smoking. She had like salt
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: hat as do you have any other children?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: The audio we received from the police department is censored here,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but Sarah tells the cops about her other kid, a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: boy named Jason, a boy who had just gotten out
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: of prison. According to the detectives, when they asked this question,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Sarah tensed up and seemed extremely closed off. She inhales
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: sharply and her whole body jumps when they bring up
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: this possibility. As far as the detectives are concerned, whether
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: intentionally or not, she just told them there is a possibility.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: That's all they are able to focus on. And it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: all makes sense too. She knew about the coffee can
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: full of money, so what if she'd accidentally mentioned that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to Jason. He'd just gotten out of prison for robbery.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And it made complete sense if he saw Benny as
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: an easy target and decided to try and steal his cash.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: That could even explain the Hummer too. It was a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: nice car that Jason might have jecked and used to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: get in and out of the scene quickly. Instantly, the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: hunt for Jason began, but no matter how hard they tried,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: they just couldn't track him down. But that when some
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: new information came to light, information that would change everything.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: An inmate of the prison Jason was staying at had
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: contacted police after hearing about the crime, claiming that he
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: knew who the perpetrator was and promised to reveal it
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to them in an interview so full he told one of.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: The deputies, you get some information about homicide. That's about
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the old guy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: I got stab yeah, his mother from the body, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: then I heard him from his mom art and love
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: the phone mob. It was go that far, uncus you
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: always going in the house quick enough when she didn't
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: know enough for years, everybody in neighborhood though he did it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: just nobody he.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Was speaking on it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Oh why the inmates said he'd heard Jason and Sarah
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: talking about the murder on the phone. After Jason thought
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: he'd hung up. The cops now had no doubt in
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: their minds who their new number one suspect was, and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: by this point in the investigation, it's likely Jason's cash
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was starting to run out. They had to find him
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: as soon as possible before he got the chance to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: kill again, but unfortunately they were already too late.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I can police in fire Canty, Ky.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: My name is George Bayliss. I'm bound and harder now,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: but my father's still up an accron.
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: We haven't been able to get ahold of him. And
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: some of his neighbors got a hold of me today
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: too and said they haven't seen him since that to day.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: They said there were some people over there they didn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: really recognize.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: All right, So we have it and we're going to
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: get some on over and check it out, and then
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: we can give you a follow up call.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: The police quickly initiated a welfare check on George's father,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Gary Ballas. When they arrived, they knocked on the front door,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and after receiving no response, the officers forced entry through
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a side door.
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: Heay Afrin police.
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: Here, it's affrom play.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: Yay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: On Thursday May twenty first, Gary Balas was found dead.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It was obvious he'd been dead for a few days,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and given the abundance of stab wounds, it was ruled
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a homicide. An investigation would turn up very little information,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: except for the fact that Gary's car was missing from
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the driveway, So next they started to talk to his
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: neighbors to see if they knew anything about what had happened.
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: Acer police just wonder if I could talk to you
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: a couple of seconds about your neighbor behind you. When's
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: the last time you saw.
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: Please?
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: Don't was anybody there with them?
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: He came over here?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: What did he say?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: He came over to pick flowers? Purple ones?
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: Relax?
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: Did he have anybody with him when he was there?
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: Did he have that car there? Tuesday?
• 27:13
  Speaker 18: I don't remember.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I was I was over here, right, Do you remember?
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: Do you know what kind of car?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: It is?
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: Blue station wagon?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Sup?
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: Yeah?
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: Anybody else live here that might have seen him? Just kid,
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: Have you seen your neighbor lately?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: No, last time I saw him?
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: The car was there when she took the flowers over?
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: Do you remember a week? Do you want to step
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: out here for one second?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: So Gary?
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: Gary is the season. It's looking suspicious. That's why I'm
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: asking you these questions. He hasn't mentioned anybody. You haven't seen,
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: you haven't heard any fighting, so obviously then somebody before.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It's a little odd for Gary's car not to have
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: been at his place for over a week, especially given
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Gary was still home. There's a chance that this family
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: could be misremembering, but the cops got exactly the same
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: information from each of the other neighbors.
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: Sir, are you familiar with the older gentleman that lives
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: at the blue house across the street?
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Gary, Gary? Yeah?
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: Sorry, Hey, dang, Gary, what's it? Cheers to help him out?
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: Jan's the baby saying his wife?
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: When's last time you've seen Gary?
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: Over days?
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: A couple of days?
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, like.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: You remember what day that was? Yeah? Monday, Monday, Yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: busy was cutting his grass?
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: Was you were investigating an incident at a clone over there?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The only issue was not a single one of the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: neighbors could tell the cops who might be driving that car.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Gary did have visitors over somewhat frequently, but they never
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: used his car. If the cops could figure out where
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the vehicle was and who took it, it seems like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: they'd have a pretty sure shot at finding the murderer,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and that's when they talked to this couple who claimed
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: they've seen a new guy around his house recently.
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: Excuse me, has anybody you've been over to talk to
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: you guys here?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 29:38
  Speaker 14: Okay?
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: You know I called called the police out here yesterday
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: and were in there.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Well, what did you call him yesterday for?
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: Because I haven'ttinued Saturday and it's not like him to
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: leave town. And I'm not telling me.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: If you don't see him since Saturday?
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: Door?
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: Did you said? You guys are positive though it was Saturday?
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: His grass?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: Have you seen a guy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: I've before?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It was the white of black, was younger.
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this car wasn't there.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But soon the cops were able to put together exactly
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: what had happened. It turns out Gary was never in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that car with the other man. When his car pulled
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: out of his driveway for the last time, Gary was
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: already dead, but at least they had a description of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: who they thought the murderer was, and even better, just
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a short time after, the cops received word that his
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: car had been seen at a gas station on a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: surveillance camera. Unfortunately, the camera quality was too poor to
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: properly make out his identity, but at least the cops
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: now know without a shadow of a doubt that if
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: they find that car, they can find the man that
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: killed Gary. But it turns out someone had already done
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that for them. An unnamed witness came forward and told
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: them that he'd seen that very car and knew precisely
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: who it now belonged to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: Jason came over seventday morning. He was gonna help me work.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: On the house I'm working on. Do you know Jason's last.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Name Shockley or I can't, how you want to pronounce
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: it something like that. Anyway, he came over. But I
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: had to go to Harvard.
• 31:19
  Speaker 13: Freight because I needed to grinder, and so I told him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: I said, I got to go to Harvard Freight.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: He said, oh, I take you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: And I said, wait a minute, Jason, I said, I'm
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: not getting the no hot car. I said that car hot.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: He said, no, the car's not HOTID will you no,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't do you like that. The car's not hot.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: The car this man is talking about is Gary's Subaru.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, he just mentioned the name of the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: man they believe killed Benny Jason Shockley. This was a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: shocking breakthrough in both cases. Not only have they essentially
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just solved Gary's murder, but now they're hot on Jason's
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: tail and have more evidence than ever to try and
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: track him down. Back on the scene, they'd also noticed
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that Gary's credit cards had been stolen, and this guy's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: story even lines up perfectly with that too.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: He said, my friend, let me use it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: He went to Florida.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: He gave me a credit card, told me to keep
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: gas in it and I could buy cigarettes and buy
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: me something to eat if I need it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: And I was kind of like it, not believing it,
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: but he said elsewhere.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It almost seemed too good to be true. So the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: detectives asked the witnesses to pick Jason out of a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: photo lineup, and he pointed straight at him. Instantly, Jason
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: was now the suspect of a double homicide, and two
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: citywide investigations had converged into one. Every single officer and
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: detective in the area knew they couldn't let Jason take
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: another life, so they had to act fast and hunt
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: him down. That's when police received one final phone call,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: this time from Sarah Evans Jason's mother on that call.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Knowing how dangerous he could be, she decided to give
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: up her own son and told the police the address
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: of his safe house.
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: I know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: Which houses It's the.
• 33:05
  Speaker 13: Second one, the one on the rights. Eighteen eighty seven.
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: Is there a way to do that?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:19
  Speaker 16: Yeah?
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: Orts there?
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: Four?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Chancel seven, what's happen?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Stating the house was abandoned, boarded up, and dirty. It
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was unclear if anyone was even inside, but the Cobs
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: have to be extremely vigilant, as they know Jason could
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be armed. After clearing the first floor, they moved upstairs
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: as a group and tried to figure out where Jason
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: was hiding. Only one door on this floor was fully
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: closed and every other room was empty. This is where
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: they think Jason is. Problem is, they've already made a
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: lot of noise, so whoever's on the other side of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that door could be prepared. That's why they decide to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: storm in.
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: Hands, don't roll over, bloom on the top of your head,
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: roll in your stomach, hands and behind your back. Let's go.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Is it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: Right?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: It's been like.
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: Maybe else in the house.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: That's say you know, I'm saying, really gonna be mad.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: Besides the n Yeah, alright, stand down, took picture?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: O ecuse me?
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: What CRUs you got shoes and white people go to
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: a girl?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Where do the shoes at? Where going in the back
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the right? Or you learn what a paddle you take him? Yeah?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: You learn a power?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You're in your tricks up at rything? Regular?
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: How old are you not?
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: Man?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Or you remember you was a kid?
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: Over there?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Man on hoous and block? Man?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Is this nail shutter?
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: Can you get this with Jason?
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Are you out there? The very coll alright? I don't
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: think so. I don't think we need to get.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Just as they'd hoped, Jason was found lying amongst rubble
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and trash on the second floor, attempting to hide away
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: from the very people who just put him in cuffs. Thankfully,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: he put up no resistance and a quick sweep of
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the house confirmed he was the only person here. Amongst
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the trash on the floor, the officers found multiple knives
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and a credit card belonging to Gary Ballas. After six
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: weeks of investigations, they'd finally caught him. He was then
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: taken out of the house and into the back of
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: a patrol car. But there was still one problem with
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: all of this, they still had no evidence that he
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: was the one who killed Benny all those weeks ago.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Sure the connection is strange and multiple people have accused him,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but there's nothing solid. That's what the cops wanted to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: change in the interrogation room and bring peace to Benny's
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: family almost two months after his death. Remember, Jason is
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: likely not aware of exactly how much the cops know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: All he knows is that he was arrested and now
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the cops are interrogating him. He might even think that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they don't know about the murders and that he could
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: get away with everything.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: How do you know, Mary Daylish.
• 37:59
  Speaker 19: I knew that you Like I said my cousin the
• 38:01
  Speaker 19: next door about my mind used to go over and
• 38:04
  Speaker 19: help him out a lot.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: You get it. He gets telling me about how he
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: hates uh, I will everything. He's a very's part.
• 38:14
  Speaker 19: Man.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's out there. He's a trip. Yeah, I see him.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You know that there'ld be a possibility if people live
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: his car so like so work stuff.
• 38:26
  Speaker 17: Okay, you know he's if you ordered for a second,
• 38:29
  Speaker 17: you know what I mean? He doesn't like pep using
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: his car and stuff. Right, he was like, I'm bes
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: I think. He was like, I want to see you.
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: I want to see you succeed, he said, I want
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: to see you like you know, you know that just
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: got to have a prison.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: So how you a carful?
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: And I've had his car for a few days. I've
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: known Gary for almost nine years. Oh wow, yet a
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: long relationship. I've stayed a night or two at his house.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Orders.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Everything up until this point is mostly the truth. He
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: did know Gary, and he had spent some time with
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: him recently. But remember he was found with Gary's stolen
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: credit cards in his stolen car just days after he
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: was murdered. This is shaping up to be a textbook
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  Speaker 2: interrogation where the detectives will have to catch him out
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  Speaker 2: in various lies in order to extract the truth, and
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  Speaker 2: they're about to start that process. Immediately.
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  Speaker 8: Told you what I have people that are in the
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  Speaker 8: area that see you and him together. He's been deceased
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  Speaker 8: since about the same time you see him. You guys
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  Speaker 8: hard in his credit cards. They told you he lends
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  Speaker 8: me just far well, why is his neighbors and his
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  Speaker 8: son and.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where. But all that on the outer door.
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  Speaker 2: He's claiming that Gary had lent him his car for
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: work and had used the credit cards he'd left in
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  Speaker 2: his car to just buy a few cigarettes. But clearly
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the cops don't believe him. In fact, this entire questioning
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: segment about Gary is more of a formality. They have
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: much more evidence about this crime than they do Benny's,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: so their plan is to try and have him confess
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  Speaker 2: to Gary's murder so that confessing to Benny's doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: like such a big deal. It seems like a clever strategy,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: but it won't work if Jason simply refuses to admit
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  Speaker 2: to anything.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with us. It's kind of weird that you're
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  Speaker 3: the last person with him. Yes, I find that weird.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: You know, I see what you guys staying with. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm not us. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: people don't know man, and sometimes you know and already know.
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  Speaker 3: If you know, nor no anybody then knows me will
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  Speaker 3: tell me that's not what I do. So what im right?
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  Speaker 3: I'm a smoker because I was ten years old, but
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  Speaker 3: know what I do?
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  Speaker 15: So stupid like that.
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  Speaker 3: At all?
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  Speaker 15: If you are a jury and you heard your story
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  Speaker 15: about a man who loaned you his car, who has
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  Speaker 15: been known not to loan his car to anybody. His
• 41:37
  Speaker 15: family says his name says so because if you don't
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  Speaker 15: help yourself, this could end up really bad for you.
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  Speaker 2: When confronted with the cold, hard facts, something changes about Jason.
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  Speaker 2: He loses his confidence. He's fidgeting with his hands to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: try and distract himself. He avoids making eye contact with
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the detective. However, he can with or be looking down
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  Speaker 2: at the table, up at the ceiling, or even at
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the wall next to him. He almost looks ashamed, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: that's no illusion. Pay close attention to what he does next,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: as it marks the beginning of a startling confession.
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  Speaker 15: Even if you did wrong and the judge and you
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  Speaker 15: meet to what happened and everything else, the judge takes
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  Speaker 15: that into consideration because it shows remorse.
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  Speaker 3: Want me turned off? Stops. I'm not raising anything. He
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: raised the first one. I'm not raising anything that that is.
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  Speaker 14: I can.
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  Speaker 3: Say, you bring one first one. Let's what you say.
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  Speaker 3: It's completely off.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Jason thinks that that audio recorder is the only thing
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: recording what he's saying right now. Somehow he doesn't realize
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the camera in the corner also has a microphone built in,
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  Speaker 2: So now that the audio recorder is off. He thinks
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: he's free to say whatever he wants.
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  Speaker 18: He's over there drinking all of this stuff. I guess
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  Speaker 18: I'm about twenty dollars and he's telling me about hisself.
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  Speaker 19: And then you have to be you know, okay, you
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: have to talking a little crazy, So you know what,
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: I gotta go think it leave in dos cut that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: And why he took his knife and twisting down and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: he dropped the night the night back into his chair.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: He said, shoes when you agreed.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It was a textbook confession, and the cops did an
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: incredible job at helping him through it and making him
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable. The thing is, they know this still isn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the whole truth, but it's all they need for now.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: They could disprove his self defense story later in court.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: What matters is that he admitted to it in some respect.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Now they can switch gears to Benny's murder, but he's
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: not going to make that one as easy.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: You probably aren't going to prove that he did, Benny.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: And you're definitely going to be looking at a capital
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: and I'll be looking at a capital case of or somebody.
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: Out of here to you told us about Gary had
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: to take the can and he said two cases are
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: lack of mirror.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Your lying about the cases being similar.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Despite just being finessed into admitting to murder, Jason suddenly
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: thinks he's the smartest person in the room. The cases
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: are almost an exact mirror of each other. But Jason
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: thinks he can escape liability for at least one of them.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: But he's dead wrong.
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: See here's another thing you just told us. So you
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: went through Barry's pants. He went to Ben's pants too,
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: because you know, as Benny was known to carry several
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: hundred dollars in his pants pocket, that I didn't think
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: everybody everybody I did.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: It, so Benny never pulled money out, and fancy most
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: moms are like, there's no way keeping it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: No, she she knows were the fact that I didn't
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: do that. I'm not saying about Benny.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: I'm just saying your moms freaking thinking it's possible.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: You know what we talked about just did we talked
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: about She's freaking out And as.
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: Far as me asking her if I thought it was
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: now kill now it was, Oh my god, I hope
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: not jes.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I told him about but Beaby was not me.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And despite all the pressure the cops put on him,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: this is the story he stuck to. It seemed he
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: thought he could maybe convince a jury of one self
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: defense charge, but two was simply too suspicious. But that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: didn't matter, as the cops figured they still knew exactly
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: what happened. Jason knew Benny through his mother and had
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: heard about the coffee can of cash he broke in
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: one morning in an attempt to steal the cash, accidentally
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: waking Benny in the process. They started fighting and Jason,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: fearing he'd call the police, stabbed him multiple times. Eventually
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Benny crawled out to the hallway where he bled out.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: They also started to discount his story about Gary's murder.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: They believed that it wasn't any form of self defense,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and in reality, it was simply a disagreement. Jason had
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: gotten irrationally angry after Gary refused to let him use
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: his car. In his rage, he shoved him to the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: ground and killed him in the same manner, before stealing
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: his credit cards and leaving in his car. These are
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the theories that the prosecution presented to the jury, and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: as expected, they believed them. Only one person was charged
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: in the murders of Benny King and Gary Ballas Justin, Johnny,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and Sarah were all ruled innocent, but Jason wasn't so lucky.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, he was convicted of both of
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the murders and sentenced to life in prison. If you're
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