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Tex McIver wants out of jail; Millionaire charged with wife's kidnapping; Womb raider suspects in court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two.
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Speaker 1: Text mcgiver admits that he shot his wife Diana as
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Speaker 1: they drove near Pimon Park. He was accused of murdering
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Speaker 1: his wife last September as they drove home from their
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Speaker 1: Plutnam County ranch. He says it was a terrible accident
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Speaker 1: when he was sitting in the backseat of his suv
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Speaker 1: holding a pistol. Ship. Absolutely was an accident. Perhaps the
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Speaker 1: best proof of that is me, I am dying a
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Speaker 1: little bit every day. A long time printing confident of
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Speaker 1: miss mcgiver says she's certain that text mcgiver had fallen
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Speaker 1: asleep and was asleep while holding his weapon. He had
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Speaker 1: asked Diane for it because he was concerned about him
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Speaker 1: driving down the street where homeless people were hanging out.
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Speaker 1: He says it went off and shot his wife Diane
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Speaker 1: in the back. Atlanta millionaire text mcgiver says he was
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Speaker 1: in the back seat of his SUV when he fell
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Speaker 1: asleep and woke up startled, afraid he was about to
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Speaker 1: be attacked by protesters in Black Lives Matter, and whoops,
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger on the gun he had in his
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Speaker 1: lap and shot his wife dead, who was sitting in
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Speaker 1: the front seat as the car was being driven along
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Speaker 1: by a family friend. Okay, so many things stink about
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Speaker 1: that story. I mean, I hardly know which way to turn.
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Speaker 1: In addition to that, the wife isn't cold in the
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Speaker 1: gray before. He has an estate cell look more like
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Speaker 1: a garage cell to me, where he got rid of
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Speaker 1: all of her clothing, her purses, her her designers shoes,
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Speaker 1: you name it, to the tune of about a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he held onto anything for sentimental reasons.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it. To top it all off,
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Speaker 1: the prominent Atlanta lawyer makes bond. Okay, he's out walking
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Speaker 1: free when a search warrant is conducted in his home
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Speaker 1: for papers relating to the death, and guess what they
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Speaker 1: find a gun in his sought drawer. M hm m mmmmm.
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Speaker 1: So text mc ivor, renowned attorney goes back to jail. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the latest straight out to defense attorney Renee Rockwell,
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Speaker 1: who practices in that very courthouse. Renee, now he wants
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Speaker 1: out again, what's happening? He is gonna ask the court again,
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Speaker 1: may he be released on fond? Uh? He asked last
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Speaker 1: week to go visit his mother who was in hospice
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Speaker 1: dying in Texas, and now he wants to be released
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Speaker 1: on bond to attend the funeral. Now. Uh, many would
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Speaker 1: speculate that Judge mcferney is not going to allow that.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, if the funeral is actually held in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: there is a way for the Sheriff's department to carry
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Speaker 1: him over to the funeral home and at least attend
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Speaker 1: the way. Okay, hold on, if this was not a
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Speaker 1: rich lawyer who is a partner in a big law
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Speaker 1: firm and rubs shoulders with all the judges and everybody
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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Bar Association, and goes to the right
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Speaker 1: country club and is seeing at the right restaurants and
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Speaker 1: get togethers. If he's just a regular person like everybody else,
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't even be talking about this. It's just just
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Speaker 1: no in Oh, he should have thought about that before
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Speaker 1: he put a gun in his sock drawer, Renee, Well,
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Speaker 1: there's some question as to whether he put the gun
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Speaker 1: in the sock drawer a brother left it there, but
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Speaker 1: who what what what? There's some question as to whether
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Speaker 1: or not his brother may have left the gun in
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Speaker 1: the sock drawer. Uh that was enough for Dug McBurney
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Speaker 1: to return him to the jail. Renee. Now, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to get too personal with you, but how often
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Speaker 1: do you change your socks daily? Okay? That's good to know. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Uh So if the gun is in his sock drawer,
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Speaker 1: and we can assume he changes his socks at least
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Speaker 1: once a day, you don't think he would see it?
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Speaker 1: What thirty eight sitting right there? I believe I would
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Speaker 1: notice if I looked at my underwords drawing there was
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Speaker 1: a thirty eight sitting there. I think I noticed, Renee. Well,
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Speaker 1: it could up been hidden under all the socks, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: hidden under the socks. You know what. That's why you're
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Speaker 1: so successful. And I bet, even though I can't see you,
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Speaker 1: I bet you said it with a straight face. The
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Speaker 1: gun was hidden under the socks. Okay, Um, good luck
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Speaker 1: with that. Let's go back to the time of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: Itself before we fast forward to whether he's going to
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Speaker 1: get out to go to his mom's funeral. He's, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to be around this guy.
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Speaker 1: Everybody drops dead around him. He's going to a lot
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Speaker 1: of funerals lately. Let me go out to crime stories.
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Speaker 1: Contributing reporter Drew Nelson, Drew, take me back to the
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Speaker 1: moment that his wife, who was extremely successful, and there's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of speculation that she was the cash cow,
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Speaker 1: she was the money maker in that family. Tell me
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Speaker 1: what happened to night she's shot dead. It was September
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Speaker 1: of Uh. They've just gotten off the interstate in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Who was and hey, this is Claude tech class. That's
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Speaker 1: his legal name, Claude mckebor. He goes by the name
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Speaker 1: text text mc ivor and his wife Diane. Uh, they're
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Speaker 1: being driven in an suv Limo um By. They have
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Speaker 1: their driver with him, and they get off the interstate
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Speaker 1: near a homeless shelter and text mc iver He's he's
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Speaker 1: worried about their safety, is what he's saying. And he's
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Speaker 1: there's been black lives matter. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute. I cut down by that homeless shelter
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Speaker 1: every day. When I would leave the courthouse once in
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Speaker 1: a while, there are people standing out front waiting to
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Speaker 1: get something to eat. That's what he was a right,
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Speaker 1: that's why he had to pull out his gun. Now,
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Speaker 1: they were worried about the many several Black Lives Matter
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Speaker 1: protests that have been in the area recently. Well, was
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Speaker 1: there a protest happening that night? Not that, Oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right, but this was what the spokesman said at
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Speaker 1: the time. So he pulls his his gun. It's a
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Speaker 1: it's a revolver. Apparently he had it in a grocery
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Speaker 1: bag in the car, and he's in the back seat.
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Speaker 1: She's in the front seat. Um, and there he is
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Speaker 1: protected by his revolver, falling asleep in the back seat.
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Speaker 1: When he says they hit a bump, the gun discharges.
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Speaker 1: Diane mckeber is shot in the back. Now, hold on
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Speaker 1: right there, hold on, hold on. Drew back to Renee Rockwell, Renee,
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Speaker 1: I will never forget. There's two lines of thought about
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Speaker 1: easy access to weapons. I will never forget the first
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Speaker 1: time I ever went in your home bathroom and I
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Speaker 1: came out and went, Renee, you know you got a
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Speaker 1: shotgun by your commode, and you're uh huh. I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: because up until then, and this is well after I've
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Speaker 1: been prosecuting, I didn't know about anybody other than Oprah's
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Speaker 1: they kept a gun by their and the mob of
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Speaker 1: course that kept a gun by their commode in playing view.
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Speaker 1: So apparently with Texa mc ivor, it's just fine and
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Speaker 1: Danny to be driving along with a gun in your
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Speaker 1: Kroger bag, sitting in your lap. To me, what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is your know that doesn't make sense and it
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Speaker 1: won't make sense to a jury. That's well within his right,
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Speaker 1: Nancy to be in possession of the gun. He's not
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Speaker 1: a felon now. He is someone that once he was
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Speaker 1: friended Bond, I think, surrendered approximately seventeen firearms to the
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Speaker 1: sheriff down in South Georgia. Okay, hold on, I was
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Speaker 1: trying to fight back the laughing here seventeen guns for what?
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Speaker 1: And yes, I know it's your right under the Fourth Amendment,
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Speaker 1: right to bear is it the Fourth Amendment? I lost
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Speaker 1: my mind. Well, I know it's your right to bear
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Speaker 1: arms under the Constitution. I get that, But okay, all right, fine,
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Speaker 1: you tell that to a jury full of school teachers
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Speaker 1: and librarians and accountants and bankers. You go on and
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Speaker 1: tell him that that he needs a gun in his
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Speaker 1: croaker sack in the backseat of the car with his
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Speaker 1: finger on the trigger. All right, go ahead, drew. What happened?
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Speaker 1: Then they were in the he was in the back
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Speaker 1: seat and he says he was falling asleep. As Um,
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Speaker 1: the gun goes off and he missed something. Wait, he's asleep,
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Speaker 1: and you act like the gun just went off all on,
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Speaker 1: all on its own. The gun didn't just go off.
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Speaker 1: Guns don't just go off. Somebody has to pull the trigger.
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Speaker 1: And what he is claiming is that they hit a
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Speaker 1: bump and it went off. Okay, Renee with me veteran
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Speaker 1: defense attorney Renee Rockwell. Renee, Um, how many times have
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted and you defended? Not on the same case,
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Speaker 1: I might add, never, never, never, where gun went off
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Speaker 1: and nobody knows what happened. How often does that happen
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Speaker 1: in court? Nancy? It happens all the time, or at
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Speaker 1: least that's what people say happens all the time. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there minding my own business, and whoops,
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Speaker 1: the gun went off. It just went off for Nae,
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Speaker 1: and it happened to hit his wife in the back.
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Speaker 1: That's certainly a cowinkie dink that's right, Nancy, and she
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Speaker 1: died from those injuries. But if he's asleep in the
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Speaker 1: back seat with the gun on low ready or in
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Speaker 1: his lap with his finger on the trigger and falls
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Speaker 1: asleep and it and the car hits a bomb and
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Speaker 1: he accidentally shoots r in the back, that's his defense.
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Speaker 1: But Renee, how can that happen If he's sitting in
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Speaker 1: the car, in the back seat and he's asleep with
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Speaker 1: a gun in his lap, how can it be that
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Speaker 1: it is suddenly pulled and pointed upright at his wife
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Speaker 1: and then the trigger is pulled if he's sitting I
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Speaker 1: hope somebody's going to do a recreate, a recreation on this.
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Speaker 1: If he's sitting in the back seat asleep with the
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Speaker 1: gun in his lap, it seems to me the gun
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Speaker 1: should have shot through the driver's side door, not into
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Speaker 1: his wife's back, who was sitting in front of him.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me. I mean, the the pattern,
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Speaker 1: the travel pattern, the trajectory path of the bullet. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. With his story. It doesn't gee haws,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't fit together. So you know what, that's his
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Speaker 1: story and he's sticking to it. Renee, let me just
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Speaker 1: ask you about the yard sale. Excuse me, the private
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Speaker 1: estate sell for all of his wife's belongings. That's not
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Speaker 1: a good look. Well, Nancy, he um apparently fold these
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Speaker 1: items um and probably blie in an effort to raise
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Speaker 1: in cash. Uh. Maybe he thought he would need some
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Speaker 1: money for an attorney down the line, even though he
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Speaker 1: is a lawyer. What is more amazing to me is
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Speaker 1: that he sat down the possibility of these charges being
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Speaker 1: levied against him and talked and talked and talked to
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Speaker 1: the police. Speaking of money, Back to Drew Nelson, Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories contributor, tell me about the money and the family.
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Speaker 1: Diane mc ivor was uh an executive with a large
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Speaker 1: advertising firm in Atlanta. After she was killed, her picture
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Speaker 1: went up on digital billboards. Uh, remembering Diane mc ivor.
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Speaker 1: And as you were saying, text, mc ivor may have
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Speaker 1: made money, as you know, he worked for one of
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Speaker 1: the big law firms. But Diane McIver was an executive.
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Speaker 1: She was bringing in the money. And that's what makes
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Speaker 1: you wonder why he sold all of her stuff all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden. And remember, guys, they are separate. They've
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Speaker 1: always kept their finances separate. And there's some idea that
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Speaker 1: the motive was because he owed her money. The amount
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Speaker 1: of money we're talking about is millions of dollars, and
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Speaker 1: there are reports mcdiver owed his wife nearly a half
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Speaker 1: a million dollars. It's also my understanding, renewe, that they
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Speaker 1: kept their finances completely separate. How does that figure into
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Speaker 1: the scenario is if that's to me, Nancy, I think
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Speaker 1: that the state is going to put forward as the
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Speaker 1: motive that Tex mdiver owes his wife allegedly some grand
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Speaker 1: amount of money half a million under thousands to a
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Speaker 1: half a million dollars for uh some potential um improvement
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Speaker 1: on some property that they have, and that that's the
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Speaker 1: reason that he's killed her. I sure hope that the
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Speaker 1: state does not try to put that motive up in
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Speaker 1: front of a Fulton County jury, because they're gonna have
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Speaker 1: a problem with that as a motive. Well, to me,
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Speaker 1: half a million dollar sounds like a motive, a money motive.
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Speaker 1: But to what we're talking about right now, um renee,
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Speaker 1: give me a yes, no, with the funeral likely occurring
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Speaker 1: in Texas. Is tex Macayvor going to be released from
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Speaker 1: an Atlanta jail to go to his mom's funeral? Not likely, Nancy. Not.
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Speaker 1: If it's in Texas, that could change if it's in Georgia.
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Speaker 1: What is going on in Cajun Country right now? I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing reports that a multimillionaire allegedly orchestrates his wife's kidnap
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Speaker 1: and has her tortured. What don't they know about d
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Speaker 1: I V O R C E. I mean, sy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Does it never end? Just get
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Speaker 1: a divorce? This guy is a multi millionaire. Can't he
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Speaker 1: afford to just slice it down the middle? But instead
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Speaker 1: we are hearing reports that he allegedly orchestrates his wife's
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Speaker 1: kidnapping and has her tortured in the midst of a
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Speaker 1: divorce battle. I'm talking about Lawrence Michael Hanley. He's just
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Speaker 1: forty nine years old. This is four days after his wife,
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Speaker 1: who was gorgeous, is allegedly kidnapped at gunpoint. What now
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Speaker 1: we're learning that there are allegations the husband orchestrated the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. Joining me right now is a veteran trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: my k Agian friend Renee Rockwell, veteran defense attorney. Also
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Speaker 1: with me is Drew Nelson, reporting on the story, Renee,
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Speaker 1: what is going on in Cajun Country? Don't? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: know you all are functioning under the Napoleonic code still,
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Speaker 1: but um, don't you have divorce? We have divorced down there, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But apparently twenty five million was not enough to split
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Speaker 1: down the middle. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, Renee,
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Speaker 1: hold on twenty five million. You certainly turned my head. Renee.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when you and I were were king
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Speaker 1: in the Fulton County Courthouse together and I was prosecuting
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Speaker 1: felonies and you were defending dopers left and right, and
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Speaker 1: we were so broke that we would kind of sneak
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Speaker 1: into the Jurard cafeteria and we would get a giant cup,
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Speaker 1: like a super slurpie cup of homemade soup from the
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Speaker 1: cafeteria and all the crackers we could we could put
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Speaker 1: in our fists and have that for lunch because it
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Speaker 1: was ninety nine cents. I wouldn't even get a drink.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I think I'll put that out
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Speaker 1: of my mind, Nancy, But anyway back to the that
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Speaker 1: good that was some good eating Renee. That soup was homemade.
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Speaker 1: You don't remember that. I do remember it, and I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I'm a couple of steps away from that cafeteria as
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Speaker 1: you speak. And they've got twenty five million dollars and
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Speaker 1: they can't split it down the middle. Really, um, Apparently
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Speaker 1: he was the owner and treatment facility, and that facility
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Speaker 1: was sold out. Wait a minute, I couldn't hear you.
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Speaker 1: He was the owner of a what drug treatment facility
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Speaker 1: and opioid treatment facility and sold that for the grand
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Speaker 1: tune of probably somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty five million.
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Speaker 1: But in Louisiana, which is a community property state, everything
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Speaker 1: belongs to the husband and the wife equally, So I
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Speaker 1: guess he did not want to split that down the
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Speaker 1: middle and had some fantastic uh plan to have her
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Speaker 1: kidnapped and uh not for ransom. Nancy just kidnapped and
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Speaker 1: now hold on, tortured, tortured as well. We are looking
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Speaker 1: at just revealed court documents that detail this horrific kidnapping. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Two kidnappers allegedly gets the woman. They have bought all
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Speaker 1: the necessary items to kidnap, bind, torture and abuse her.
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Speaker 1: And this guy, I mean, how don can he b Renee?
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Speaker 1: He charters an airplane to evade capture, like talk about
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Speaker 1: leaving a trail a mile wide charter and wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, isn't one of your brothers. Don't they fly?
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Speaker 1: Don't they fly private? He's a pilot. Now, how do
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Speaker 1: you go in and charter a plane without getting giving
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Speaker 1: I d you just go to any FO, any free
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Speaker 1: base operation and say hey, I need to rent a
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Speaker 1: plane to go from here to there. Um. What's also
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Speaker 1: amazing man as he is? They now have witnesses that
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Speaker 1: say he was the one that actually rented the van
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Speaker 1: that was used in the kidnapping. Let's start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Hold on with me as veteran trial lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction but actually tries cases all across the country,
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Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, also with me as reporter Crime Stories contributor
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Speaker 1: Drew Nelson. You know what, start at the beginning, Okay, Drew?
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Speaker 1: What happened? Well, these two guys who were allegedly hired
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Speaker 1: by Mr Hanley, Lawrence Hanley. Uh, this is white and
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Speaker 1: in depth. You know, what. I don't want to hear
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Speaker 1: those in depth. I want to hear it in a nutshell.
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Speaker 1: This is what I know. There's twenty five million dollars
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Speaker 1: on the table. They're getting a divorce, and the wife
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Speaker 1: is stripped, tortured and abused, threatened with rape and murder
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Speaker 1: en route to be dumped to her husband, button naked,
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Speaker 1: tortured and abused. If this is true, he's going to jail. Now,
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Speaker 1: Did I miss any facts? Drew? And this very complicated scenario.
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Speaker 1: The new information we've learned is that these two men,
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Speaker 1: uh they the police say they posed a salesman. The
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are now saying that these two guys posed a
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Speaker 1: salesman to try to trick and they ended up tricking
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Speaker 1: Lawrence Handley's wife in uh into letting them take her hosta,
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Speaker 1: take her captive. As you were saying, uh later on
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Speaker 1: in the day, these guys, wait a minute, back it up,
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Speaker 1: Back it up. So these two guys that the has
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Speaker 1: been allegedly hires pose as salesman, and they trick the
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Speaker 1: wife and they get her in the van Renee. This
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Speaker 1: is your neck of the woods. What can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about this area? I'm looking at the home and
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Speaker 1: it looks like a millionaire lives there. It's huge. What
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Speaker 1: I can tell you, Nancy, is two men in a van,
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Speaker 1: rant shirt, dark pants roll up to the house looking
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Speaker 1: like some salesmen. What individuals in the home are able
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Speaker 1: to say is that they hear the wife saying answering
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Speaker 1: the door, saying no thank you, I already have a company.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they ask, is this a is
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Speaker 1: this some kind of a company that's going to exterminate
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Speaker 1: for test? What? What is? At any rate, she tells
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Speaker 1: him no thank you. They kicked the door in force
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Speaker 1: her into the van, handcuffed other individuals in the house,
22:52
Speaker 1: everybody but the the juvenile was handcuffed and take off
22:57
Speaker 1: allegedly down it and heading towards slidell, which is where
23:02
Speaker 1: there to meet um the husband. This is what else
23:07
Speaker 1: I know. Um. These two guys, two Mississippi guys, were
23:12
Speaker 1: apparently hired by the millionaire, Lawrence Michael Hanley, to kidnap
23:16
Speaker 1: the wife. They posed a salesman, as Renee is telling you,
23:19
Speaker 1: they gained entry into this millionaire's home. They then forced
23:23
Speaker 1: her into the back of this van we're talking about.
23:26
Speaker 1: The van was rented in Baton Rouge, according to documents
23:30
Speaker 1: we have just obtained now. The affidavit goes on to
23:34
Speaker 1: say that the husband tried to call his wife two
23:39
Speaker 1: days before the kidnapping, and they think maybe responsible for
23:45
Speaker 1: multiple threatening text messages she received just before the wife
23:49
Speaker 1: is kidnapped. You know, Renee, there was a day at
23:51
Speaker 1: a time that it was very difficult to trace. For instance,
23:57
Speaker 1: um paying your cell phone recover em el was recovered texts.
24:01
Speaker 1: But now any threatening text this husband sent his wife,
24:05
Speaker 1: they're going to be recovered, Renee, they are, But Nancy
24:08
Speaker 1: considered this. He's also charged with him online impersonation. So
24:14
Speaker 1: he may have had some type of an app where
24:17
Speaker 1: he's disguising who is actually himself as actually the one
24:21
Speaker 1: sending the text messages are the threatening messages, So for
24:26
Speaker 1: that he's also charged. It's just okay, can you back
24:29
Speaker 1: it up just a little bit, Renee, What do you
24:31
Speaker 1: mean he was disguising himself online? You can get apps
24:36
Speaker 1: on a cell phone, Nancy, where it does not appear
24:40
Speaker 1: that these text messages are actually coming from your phone.
24:45
Speaker 1: It can be a spoof or another number where he
24:49
Speaker 1: may be threatening her, but she's not actually able to
24:53
Speaker 1: pinpoint that the threats are coming from him. He may
24:57
Speaker 1: have done that in an effort to try to throg
25:01
Speaker 1: a police off to make it look like it was
25:03
Speaker 1: not him that engaged in the kidnaps. Well, they're in
25:09
Speaker 1: it now because apparently these two guys allegedly hired by
25:13
Speaker 1: the husband, use semi automatic handguns and pointed them at
25:18
Speaker 1: everybody in the home, including the child, including the wife
25:22
Speaker 1: before they forced her into a white van. And Renee,
25:26
Speaker 1: it's interesting the way they this all came to police
25:30
Speaker 1: attention because everybody was handcuffed in the home and couldn't
25:33
Speaker 1: get to the phone. As you say, police notice the
25:38
Speaker 1: the vehicle, the white van, driving along and they get
25:43
Speaker 1: up on the shoulder of I ten during a traffic backup.
25:47
Speaker 1: WHOA that that certainly attracts the attention to the police
25:50
Speaker 1: when you're up driving on the shoulder. Uh, nothing can
25:53
Speaker 1: make them happier. As I recall, Renee, Um, you and
25:56
Speaker 1: I were very dear friends with a motorman on the
26:00
Speaker 1: a p D. Nothing makes them happier than a blatant
26:04
Speaker 1: violation of traffic rules. It's an easier rest. Bam, they're
26:09
Speaker 1: up on the shoulder. Of course they're gonna get pulled over, Renee. So, Nancy,
26:13
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking. They're probably in panic mode and obviously, um,
26:18
Speaker 1: the band gets stuck in the mud. What do we
26:20
Speaker 1: know about the husband? I understand he had been holed
26:23
Speaker 1: up in a motel for three or four days while
26:25
Speaker 1: all this went down. And that's hn slide down, Nancy,
26:28
Speaker 1: on the way to New Orleans or east bound, not
26:33
Speaker 1: far from the New Orleans Airport. My I'm my dad. Well,
26:38
Speaker 1: the good news for the husband is that the wife
26:42
Speaker 1: lived to tell the tale because when these two adgets
26:46
Speaker 1: go up on the shoulder of the road, the police
26:52
Speaker 1: go after them, and they managed to save the wives
26:56
Speaker 1: of life. But this has a twist to a Renee.
26:59
Speaker 1: The two kidnapped. What became of them? Well, Nancy, they
27:02
Speaker 1: were running in an effort to escape, they jumped into
27:06
Speaker 1: the inter Coastal Canal, which is not far from the roadway,
27:10
Speaker 1: and they have both drowned. Now wait wait, wait, wait,
27:15
Speaker 1: wait wait what they jump into the inter Coastal Waterway first,
27:19
Speaker 1: they get the white van stuck in the mud as
27:21
Speaker 1: they're trying to get away from police. They bail. They
27:24
Speaker 1: leave the woman in their stripped naked handcuff beaten abes
27:29
Speaker 1: threatened with rape. She's still in the van. They take
27:32
Speaker 1: off running. They jump into the inter Coastal Waterway and
27:36
Speaker 1: they both drowned. Did I am I getting this right?
27:40
Speaker 1: You got it right, Nancy. You know what I see, Renee?
27:44
Speaker 1: That millionaire Handley, he better get ready because I see
27:50
Speaker 1: the possibility of two felony murder charges. He's about to
27:54
Speaker 1: catch two felony murder charges. Now, I know what you're
27:57
Speaker 1: gonna say. You're gonna say the death of the two
28:00
Speaker 1: kidnappers have nothing to do with him. But he was
28:04
Speaker 1: in the commission of a felony, which is kidnapping, and
28:08
Speaker 1: two deaths occurred. You know the law his co conspirators.
28:14
Speaker 1: That's like you and I go in a bank and
28:17
Speaker 1: nobody's supposed to get hurt, and suddenly I pull a
28:20
Speaker 1: gun and go crazy and you end up getting shot
28:23
Speaker 1: by the security guard. I can be charged with your death, Renee,
28:28
Speaker 1: because I'm in the commission of a felony and a
28:30
Speaker 1: death occurred. I think this guy, I'm not sure about
28:33
Speaker 1: the Napoleonic Code. I don't know what's going on in
28:36
Speaker 1: New Orleans and in Louisiana with the law, but I
28:39
Speaker 1: know this and the rest of the country. That's felony murder.
28:42
Speaker 1: Renee absolutely party to a crime. But Nancy, he has bond. Oh,
28:48
Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, how did he make bond? No, no, no,
28:51
Speaker 1: he hasn't made bond. I can't. I have not confirmed that.
28:55
Speaker 1: But because he's charged with this kidnapping in this online
28:59
Speaker 1: in person a nation, he has a two hundred and
29:01
Speaker 1: sixty six thousand dollar bond which is obtainable, and he
29:06
Speaker 1: could probably make it. That's nothing for him. That's twenty
29:09
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars. Oh, he's gonna make it. That's twenty
29:13
Speaker 1: six grand. That's twenty six large for him. He's out
29:16
Speaker 1: of there. Uh uh if he can get a private
29:20
Speaker 1: charter plane. Uh. Under other circumstances, he can certainly get one.
29:24
Speaker 1: Now they better watch him draining his assets and hauling
29:28
Speaker 1: booty out of the country right now. The judge was
29:30
Speaker 1: wise enough to put a freeze on the assets or
29:33
Speaker 1: restraining order on him anyway that he can't touch it.
29:35
Speaker 1: But I don't put anything past this guy. Right now,
29:39
Speaker 1: we're on it. A gorgeous young woman, Savannah gray Wind,
29:43
Speaker 1: goes missing. She's twenty two years old at the time.
29:47
Speaker 1: She goes missing. She is eight months pregnant, repeat, eight
29:54
Speaker 1: months pregnant. Then kayakers discover Savannah's body wrapped in plastic,
30:06
Speaker 1: caught in a limb in the water of the Red River.
30:12
Speaker 1: Now we know, of course that that is no accident,
30:14
Speaker 1: nor is it a suicide. She can't kill herself or
30:18
Speaker 1: have an accident and then get wrapped in plastic and
30:21
Speaker 1: thrown in the water, So this is clearly a homicide. Now,
30:26
Speaker 1: to complicate matters, her two day old newborn baby girl
30:34
Speaker 1: has been found in the possession of thirty eight year
30:38
Speaker 1: old Brook Crews and her boyfriend William Hone. They insist
30:45
Speaker 1: this is their baby. The case has now been um
30:52
Speaker 1: titled womb Raider, capitalizing on a once secure phenomena of
31:02
Speaker 1: people kidnapping a pregnant mom cutting open her stomach to
31:08
Speaker 1: get the baby. That's right straight out to Alan Dee
31:14
Speaker 1: on the story. I want to first talk about the woman.
31:17
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Savannah gray Wind, eight months
31:20
Speaker 1: pregnant mom who's discovered in the Red River. What do
31:23
Speaker 1: we know about how she goes missing and how she
31:26
Speaker 1: was discovered? The two year old lived in the same
31:30
Speaker 1: building as these people that you were talking about. The
31:33
Speaker 1: people the baby was later found with. This is what
31:36
Speaker 1: the suspects were telling the police. They say that gray
31:40
Speaker 1: Wind came to their apartment and ask for help. She
31:45
Speaker 1: wanted some tips on how to induce labor early, and
31:49
Speaker 1: that she got that information. She left and then returned
31:53
Speaker 1: a few hours later with the baby and gave them
31:56
Speaker 1: the baby. So they say, this is our baby. By
32:00
Speaker 1: so you're telling me that these two tell police that
32:04
Speaker 1: gray Wind, who lived downstairs from them, came over and
32:10
Speaker 1: was trying to self induce birth, or why in the
32:13
Speaker 1: world would you do that? That she came back two
32:17
Speaker 1: days later at three thirty a m. In the morning
32:21
Speaker 1: and handed over her baby girl. But now we're getting
32:24
Speaker 1: conflicting reports, Renee, that they're claiming that this is their baby.
32:30
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're claiming it's their biological baby
32:32
Speaker 1: or not. But Renee, wouldn't it be a simple matter
32:36
Speaker 1: of a medical examination to determine if brook Crews, the
32:41
Speaker 1: upstairs neighbor, had given birth, well, obviously, Nancy, if she
32:45
Speaker 1: gave birth to the baby naturally, or even uh, you know, uh,
32:50
Speaker 1: if somebody had some kind of makeshift midwife operation. It
32:55
Speaker 1: would look like one thing that autopsy would look could
32:59
Speaker 1: be so shown. Renee, This woman that was Savannah gray
33:03
Speaker 1: Win's neighbor says the baby is hers. Now, one option
33:09
Speaker 1: is that she's claiming she gave birth to the baby,
33:13
Speaker 1: but pursue it to a court order. Wouldn't that be
33:16
Speaker 1: a simple matter of a physical exam to determine whether
33:20
Speaker 1: she had just given birth. That's a yes. No, yes,
33:24
Speaker 1: that would be simple. Now there's the other option that
33:28
Speaker 1: she could be claiming the mom handed over her newborn
33:32
Speaker 1: baby and just gave it to her. That sounds a
33:35
Speaker 1: little far fetched, doesn't it. That happens all the time, Nancy,
33:39
Speaker 1: it does. I've never seen it happen, have you, people
33:42
Speaker 1: giving their children up. Perhaps she didn't feel like she
33:45
Speaker 1: could take care of just handing it over to your
33:47
Speaker 1: next door neighbor, okay, and then going missing and you're
33:53
Speaker 1: found in the Red River, Okay, all right. According to
33:57
Speaker 1: Savannah gray Wind's parents, she visited the neighbor for a
34:01
Speaker 1: dress fitting, a dress fitting, and then suddenly quit answering
34:08
Speaker 1: her phone. Allen, I don't know if you're familiar with
34:11
Speaker 1: this phenomena of womb rating, but this is would not
34:16
Speaker 1: be the first time it's ever happened. No, and typically
34:19
Speaker 1: experts say it happens when someone had faked a pregnancy
34:24
Speaker 1: and then wanted to prove that yes, they were pregnant,
34:28
Speaker 1: and so they go and seek this. We've seen cases
34:31
Speaker 1: where they find a very pregnant woman and they cut
34:35
Speaker 1: the baby out just to put it the just be
34:39
Speaker 1: blunt about it. And by the way, we have just
34:42
Speaker 1: found out preliminary autopsy results have been handed over to investigators,
34:46
Speaker 1: so very soon we should know if there was some
34:48
Speaker 1: sort of impromptu surgery done to Miss graywin Well. A
34:53
Speaker 1: case like this just went to trial about one year
34:58
Speaker 1: ago in Colorado. That woman was accused of cutting an
35:02
Speaker 1: unborn baby from the mom's womb, and the jury determined
35:07
Speaker 1: that this attack on the mom, Michelle Wilkins occurred. I've
35:12
Speaker 1: covered it several times to the point where I had
35:16
Speaker 1: one case where the pregnant mom went online to buy
35:20
Speaker 1: some used baby clothes and then she went to the
35:24
Speaker 1: seller's home and the seller killed her and got the baby,
35:29
Speaker 1: cut the baby out of her, and the mother actually
35:32
Speaker 1: lived to tell the tale. So it is not unheard of, Renee,
35:37
Speaker 1: this has happened before, not unheard of it all. Nancy.
35:41
Speaker 1: Now this idea about a faked pregnancy. I don't know
35:45
Speaker 1: if that's playing into this or not. But the baby
35:49
Speaker 1: in this scenario lived, but Savannah gray Wind did not.
35:54
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what the problem is. Even with
35:56
Speaker 1: this story of this couple, the next re neighbors that
36:00
Speaker 1: she gave them the baby. Even if you choose to
36:03
Speaker 1: believe that, which I do not, the coincidence that she
36:07
Speaker 1: ends up dead within the next couple of days is
36:10
Speaker 1: just I can't buy that, No, Nancy, And it's going
36:13
Speaker 1: to all come to light when the autopsy is revealed.
36:17
Speaker 1: Take a listen to them in court, Mr Hayne, you're
36:22
Speaker 1: being charged with three counts. Count one, s charged is
36:25
Speaker 1: a double A felony punishable by up to late imprisonment
36:29
Speaker 1: without parole. The state alleges that you conspired with Brooke
36:32
Speaker 1: Lynn Cruise to murder Savannah Marie La Fontaine gray Wind.
36:37
Speaker 1: Count two, as charged out, is a Class A felony
36:40
Speaker 1: punishable by up to twenty years in jail and the fine.
36:45
Speaker 1: The seat alledges that you conspired with Brooke Lynn Cruise
36:48
Speaker 1: to kidnap the infant child of Savannah Marie La Fontaine Grayland.
36:54
Speaker 1: And then finally, Count three, also an a felony punishable
36:59
Speaker 1: by up to twenty years in jail and a dollar fine.
37:02
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Count three is an a misdemeanor, possible by
37:06
Speaker 1: up to one year in jail and a three thousand
37:09
Speaker 1: dollar fine. The state alleges that you provided false information
37:12
Speaker 1: to police during an investigation on a missing purchasing which
37:15
Speaker 1: you knew to be false and materially misled the investigation.
37:18
Speaker 1: Do you understand the charges as I've had them, as
37:20
Speaker 1: well as the maximum possible penalty. Thank you, Thank you,
37:26
Speaker 1: Mr Him. Because two of these charges are felonies, we
37:30
Speaker 1: will not take Please for me today whether this matter
37:33
Speaker 1: will be set on for a preliminary here that will
37:36
Speaker 1: be a tool for sure at nine in the morning.
37:40
Speaker 1: I've read your application for a public defender, Sir that
37:45
Speaker 1: you all unemployed, you do qualify for a public defender.
37:51
Speaker 1: Mr Stormy Vickers will be appointed to represent you. To
37:54
Speaker 1: get his card from the deputy there the jail, you
37:58
Speaker 1: should make arrangements to contact him at your earlious convenience.
38:02
Speaker 1: That is your obligation to find from lastly today was
38:06
Speaker 1: martious We need to make a decision about bail. Do
38:09
Speaker 1: you have a recommendation for the court yes, the state
38:12
Speaker 1: is aware of a prayer child neglect, an abuse a
38:15
Speaker 1: B flony and two thousand twelve out of Grand Forks County.
38:19
Speaker 1: Also in two thousand eleven possession of drug paraphnalia, and
38:22
Speaker 1: finally in two thousands sixteen simple assault domestic violence UM.
38:27
Speaker 1: As indicated in the charging document, the state alleges that
38:31
Speaker 1: Mr Hayne was uncooperative and in fact misled the investigation.
38:35
Speaker 1: In addition, the state has information that there were UH
38:39
Speaker 1: Internet searches that would lead a reasonable person to believe
38:43
Speaker 1: that they were looking at staying somewhere else. They were
38:46
Speaker 1: searches for things like travelocity and and different locations in
38:50
Speaker 1: which to stay elsewhere. Based on that information, the state
38:53
Speaker 1: is asking for two million dollars cash only. Mr hanis
38:58
Speaker 1: to the issue of barriers like, yeah, million dollar cash only.
39:05
Speaker 1: Is UH set at such a high level to be unattainable? UM,
39:12
Speaker 1: I would request that we do something along the lines of,
39:16
Speaker 1: you know, being able to use avail lines. Man, if
39:19
Speaker 1: that is a possibility, if you, I don't know that
39:24
Speaker 1: that possibility to me, But I know that two million
39:28
Speaker 1: is unattainable for any regular person. That's not reasonable, man,
39:34
Speaker 1: It's martius as your's a cash order recommendations this time
39:41
Speaker 1: I well said there are two million dollars cash only.
39:44
Speaker 1: I would suggest you talked it over with your attorney
39:47
Speaker 1: and build a letter back before this court if you
39:50
Speaker 1: wish to ad anything else that concludes an again any
39:54
Speaker 1: back in court on Attwober of four, two thousand seven,
39:56
Speaker 1: Team at ninety and curse stay left Coda versus Brooke
40:01
Speaker 1: when cruise zero mine two thou sevent CR three six
40:06
Speaker 1: seven three his cruise appears baery of my TV from
40:09
Speaker 1: the Cans County jewel was Martinez is here on behalf
40:12
Speaker 1: of the state those cruise Were you present in the
40:15
Speaker 1: room there when the video was played? In your rights?
40:18
Speaker 1: Will reb do yes? We under stay on those rights, Yes, sir,
40:24
Speaker 1: thank you. Um it was Martinus rescue to read the
40:27
Speaker 1: charges and abilities associated with them please and you'rena this information.
40:32
Speaker 1: We have the same issue. Will be filing an amended
40:34
Speaker 1: information removing some of the language. It does not change
40:37
Speaker 1: the level offense and I will read the full two
40:39
Speaker 1: will language as it will be following the amendment. This
40:43
Speaker 1: craizy be in charge with three counts. The first one
40:46
Speaker 1: is conspiracy to commit murder The state alleges that you
40:49
Speaker 1: conspired with William Henry Hayne to murder Savannah Marie la
40:53
Speaker 1: Fontaine gray Wind, as charged out, this is a Class
40:57
Speaker 1: double A felony punishable by life imprisonment with pearl. Count
41:01
Speaker 1: two conspiracy to commit kidnapping. The state alleges that you
41:04
Speaker 1: conspired with William Henry Hayne to kidnap the infant child
41:07
Speaker 1: of Savannah Marie Lafontaine gray Wind, as charged out, this
41:11
Speaker 1: is a Class A falty punishable by up to twenty
41:14
Speaker 1: in jail and a twenty dollar fine. And finally, count
41:17
Speaker 1: three false information a law enforcement as charged out as
41:20
Speaker 1: a pas am demeanor carnish balled by up to one
41:23
Speaker 1: year in jail and the three thousand dollar fine. Do
41:25
Speaker 1: you understand the charges as I've read them, as well
41:27
Speaker 1: as the maximum possible penalty. Man, Thank you. We will
41:34
Speaker 1: not take please for me today whereas cruise, but rather
41:37
Speaker 1: the matter will be sent on for periminarly here before
41:41
Speaker 1: Judge Frank Racy that will take place on September two
41:45
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen at one thirty in the afternoon. I led
41:50
Speaker 1: your application for a public defender, and I find what
41:53
Speaker 1: you qualify. I'm appointing Mr Monty Mertz to appoints you
41:58
Speaker 1: represents you in this may. Please give his card from
42:01
Speaker 1: the deputy there in the jail and make contact with
42:05
Speaker 1: mister Mertz. Um. There's Martinis, do you have a bill recommendation?
42:12
Speaker 1: Yes yet know we're aware of some bad checks. It
42:16
Speaker 1: looks like back in the early two thousands, and also
42:19
Speaker 1: an assault that occurred over in Minnesota that ultimately conditions
42:23
Speaker 1: were matt and the charge was dismissed. Um. Same information
42:28
Speaker 1: applies here. We believe that there were efforts to look
42:32
Speaker 1: for at place to take flight, and so the state
42:35
Speaker 1: is asking for two million dollars cash only. There's cruise
42:40
Speaker 1: anything you wish to have on the issue of bail
42:44
Speaker 1: good sir, thank you. We'll set two million dollars cash
42:49
Speaker 1: those times. Please remember my admilation and suggest Martin that
42:53
Speaker 1: you get in touch with mister Morts at your early convenience.
42:56
Speaker 1: That's all for today, thank you. So bell is that
43:00
Speaker 1: two million dollars each? Four thirty eight year old brook
43:03
Speaker 1: Lynn Cruz her boyfriend thirty two year old William Henry Hone,
43:07
Speaker 1: both charged with conspiracy to commit murder. The case is
43:10
Speaker 1: being investigated in two states. And both Fargo, where Savannah disappeared,
43:15
Speaker 1: and in Cass County, Minnesota, where her body was found
43:18
Speaker 1: in a river. Now, let's hear a part of the
43:20
Speaker 1: police news conference, starting first with Fargo Police Chief Dave Todd.
43:25
Speaker 1: Savannah was a victim of a cruel and vicious act
43:29
Speaker 1: of depravity. Lieutenant Jason Nelson is here to answer questions
43:34
Speaker 1: regarding the investigation. I will be very limited in what
43:37
Speaker 1: I can answer, but I am willing to take some questions.
43:40
Speaker 1: What brought you to the farm deady to bake SEARCHERSI
43:43
Speaker 1: ultaneously started about the question was what brought us to
43:47
Speaker 1: the farmstead? UM that may be a crime scene? Uh,
43:50
Speaker 1: that area was being searched by citizens after we had
43:54
Speaker 1: asked for help. We had no indication through the investigation
43:57
Speaker 1: that that maybe crime scene, but through searchers were there,
44:01
Speaker 1: they called with some suspicious items and that's what prompted
44:04
Speaker 1: Clay County to respond to that area. I'm the question
44:11
Speaker 1: was what were the suspicious items. I'm not going to
44:13
Speaker 1: get into that scene about the dead. The question is
44:17
Speaker 1: is if this area was the scene of Savannah's death.
44:22
Speaker 1: I can't answer that at this time. UM currently B
44:25
Speaker 1: C A and Clay County and Fargo PD are working
44:28
Speaker 1: together to try to determine that is the crime fetal abduction?
44:32
Speaker 1: What was the natural earth? Uh? The question was was
44:35
Speaker 1: this natural birth or fetal abduction? Again? UM, I can't
44:39
Speaker 1: get into that because of an investigation. But else, do
44:42
Speaker 1: you believe there are any other suspects? Are you? Will
44:44
Speaker 1: you bring any other people in involve Your question was
44:47
Speaker 1: do we believe there's any other suspects? At this point,
44:50
Speaker 1: we have no indication that there's any other suspects involved
44:53
Speaker 1: in this crime. Is there any indication from the state
44:55
Speaker 1: of the vigage body that the Davy had been mad
44:58
Speaker 1: by a cesarrean session? Uh? The question was whether or
45:01
Speaker 1: not the baby was delivered via C section. Um. At
45:05
Speaker 1: this point I can't comment on that. The Savannah is
45:08
Speaker 1: UH down in St. Paul at this time awaiting an autopsy.
45:12
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll turn it back over to the Chief
45:14
Speaker 1: Chief birge Berdick. One last thing, I for a matter
45:20
Speaker 1: of perspective, you you have seen Lieutenant Nelson here be
45:23
Speaker 1: rather circumspect about the facts he's sharing with you. I
45:26
Speaker 1: need you to understand that there's a reason for that,
45:28
Speaker 1: which is under the professional rules for prosecutors, we need
45:32
Speaker 1: to be very careful about sharing information with the public
45:36
Speaker 1: other than those things that are required to bring the
45:39
Speaker 1: case to the courtroom. H and extrajudicial statements are are discouraged.
45:47
Speaker 1: We passed that along to the police department as well,
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Speaker 1: because that's our responsibility to do it. So there are
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Speaker 1: things that I know that they would like to share,
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Speaker 1: rich view, and things that you would like to know,
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Speaker 1: if that's understandable. But there are reasons why we were
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Speaker 1: careful about what we share at this point. And I
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Speaker 1: wanted you to understand that. Thank you, brother Prepas are dying.
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Speaker 1: Like I say, what we know. We're from that team
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Speaker 1: that we're searching that when they went to the house,
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Speaker 1: they saw some things that they thought was very very
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Speaker 1: suspicious and that's what brought us there. And and I
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Speaker 1: want the b C either. We also know that hone,
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Speaker 1: the man implicated in this, tells cops he comes home
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Speaker 1: to find his girlfriend Cruise cleaning up blood in their
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Speaker 1: bathroom that she says, this is our baby, this is
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Speaker 1: our family, and shows him the baby girl. Now wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Renee, so he's now pointing the finger at her.
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Speaker 1: The two are clearly turning on each other. He's laying
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Speaker 1: all the blame on the girlfriend, Brook Cruise, absolutely and
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Speaker 1: even tells the bloody details like you didn't know anything
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Speaker 1: about it. So you know what I always like, Renee,
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Speaker 1: is when you get co defendants, unless you're seeking the
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Speaker 1: death penalty and they've got to be tried separately, I
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Speaker 1: like trying them together and letting the jury just look
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Speaker 1: at them sitting there staring at each other at the
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Speaker 1: same council table, just you know, you can feel the hatred,
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Speaker 1: the seething animosity in the courtroom. And then of course
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Speaker 1: you know they're trying to blame each other in front
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Speaker 1: of the jury. I say, let them go to trial
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Speaker 1: and stew in the same pot together, Renee. Prosecutor just
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Speaker 1: puts it out there, and then the defense attorneys essentially
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Speaker 1: make the case for the state. Another thing, Renee, and
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Speaker 1: if they put any moms on this jury, because according
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Speaker 1: to this couple, the boyfriend and the woman say that
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Speaker 1: they teach her. They teach Savannah Graywin how to self
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Speaker 1: induce birth by breaking her own water, I can only
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Speaker 1: imagine how they did that. You really think anybody on
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Speaker 1: a jury is gonna believe that, Renee Nancy Again, it
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Speaker 1: all is going to go back to the autopsy. If
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Speaker 1: somebody just split her throat and then cut her belly
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Speaker 1: open and pull the baby out, that's gonna be hard
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Speaker 1: to explain once. They probably didn't count on the body
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Speaker 1: being discovered, oh you know it the way that it
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Speaker 1: was so um practically hermetically sealed and thrown into the
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Speaker 1: Red River. Okay, they have had their first appearance in
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Speaker 1: court and we are waiting to determine whether or not
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Speaker 1: the state will seek the death penalty. Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story is signing off Goodbye friend,