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UK Column News Podcast 3rd March 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the third of March twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerrish. Delighted to be joined by
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Speaker 1: Diane rasmuson mckennie from Scotland and also Ben Rubin who'll
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Speaker 1: be joining us on the live link from London. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want to say it's a beautiful day here in Plymouth,
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Speaker 1: which always helps the mood. And if you're a viewer
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Speaker 1: that spends a lot of time researching, watching the UK
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Speaker 1: Column getting into very heavy material, I'm going to say,
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Speaker 1: take some time out to enjoy some of this beautiful sunshine. Now, luckily,
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Speaker 1: due to our illustrious Prime Minister, we are on the
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Speaker 1: path to peace. And how do we know, Well the
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Speaker 1: BBC tells us, and of course that is a reliable
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Speaker 1: source of the truth apparently, so this was the headline.
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Speaker 1: Starmer is helping to shape talks on Ukraine. But the
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Speaker 1: path to peace could be long, and I've added to
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Speaker 1: that that, of course, the path to peace that Starmer
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Speaker 1: is engineering is on the back of more public cash
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Speaker 1: for weapons, which is actually going to prolong the war
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Speaker 1: and make more profits for the military industrial complex. So
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Speaker 1: what else has been happening. Well, of course there's been
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Speaker 1: the great and the Good meeting at Lancaster House. Luckily
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Speaker 1: they are securing our future, whether we wish this to
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Speaker 1: happen or not. But this text from the BBC did
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Speaker 1: bring a smile to my face because apparently the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister was determined to be an honest broker between two allies,
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Speaker 1: America and Ukraine. And is it possible that we've got
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Speaker 1: an honest prime minister? Personally? I don't think so, but
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Speaker 1: if we can just put that one back on screen,
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that everybody could see
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Speaker 1: the top of the table there, because we've got Starmer,
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Speaker 1: Macron and Zelenski themselves, and the fact that the French
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Speaker 1: have got a seat at the top of the table
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Speaker 1: I find very interesting. Will come on to that a
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Speaker 1: little bit more. But of course BBC, well, Zelenski is
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Speaker 1: now almost a British politician because his face appears. The
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Speaker 1: BBC simply quotes what he or his henchman say that
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Speaker 1: is regarded as truth. There's no real fact checking of it.
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Speaker 1: So the British public at the moment are to believe
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Speaker 1: what Zelensky has to say. And as we'll cover in
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Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes, we've got this one hundred
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Speaker 1: year packed with Ukraine which has been conjured up by
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Speaker 1: our politicians without any proper debate in parliament. But the
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Speaker 1: BBC agenda is a mixture of Zelenski and of course
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Speaker 1: the Oscars. And if you have look at the BBC
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Speaker 1: website today you'll see how this blend of manipulation of
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Speaker 1: people's minds work, because you're talking about Zelensky, Laura Kuzenberg,
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Speaker 1: Selensky bruised but upbeat after diplomatic whirlwind, and then in
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Speaker 1: pictures styles turn on the style for the oscar red carpet,
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Speaker 1: while I would presume that Zelenski will be on that
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Speaker 1: carpet in due course. But just to make sure we're
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Speaker 1: paying attention to the propaganda put out by the BBC. Now,
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Speaker 1: what is the good news on the path to peace? Well,
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Speaker 1: the good news is that the government is going to
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Speaker 1: spend more of our money in order to give Ukraine
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Speaker 1: more weapons in this clay, in this case short range
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Speaker 1: lightweight multi roll missiles. And this is a two billion
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Speaker 1: dollar deal. Where is this money going to be spent? Well,
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Speaker 1: actually it's going to be spent with the French factory Talas,
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Speaker 1: which is, amongst other places in the world, based in
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Speaker 1: Northern Ireland. So here we get the headline, very excited
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Speaker 1: Belfast factory to supply Ukraine with five thousand missiles in
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Speaker 1: hugely significant one point six billion pound deal. Now, if
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Speaker 1: this was all going into a UK company, we could say, well,
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Speaker 1: we don't like the fact it's more weapons and munitions
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Speaker 1: for the war in Ukraine. But the reality here is
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Speaker 1: that it's going into a French owned company. So we're
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Speaker 1: just going to effectively end up with the crumbs off
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Speaker 1: the table and it's going to be Talis that rakes
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Speaker 1: in the cash in order to supply this contract. But
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Speaker 1: don't worry. Presumably Keir Starmers discussed with somebody that he's
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Speaker 1: going to use more public money to ramp up the
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Speaker 1: war sorry the route to piece in Ukraine. But that money,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, some of it will
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Speaker 1: go into all the island. The rest of it will
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Speaker 1: go into the profits of a French firm. So not
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Speaker 1: really surprising with Macron sat alongside him. Now, what sort
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Speaker 1: of company is this vast French arms manufacturer. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: very big, but it's also full of controversy, which even
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Speaker 1: the BBC has to admit. He is the headline fraud
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Speaker 1: probe launched into defense firm Talas, And if we look
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Speaker 1: into that ourselves, what we find is that there's actually
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Speaker 1: been investigations into fraud in many of their contracts. They're
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Speaker 1: operating in fifty six countries. They've got a turnover of
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Speaker 1: sixteen billion euros, but there's been fraud investigations in South Africa, Taiwan,
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Speaker 1: Brazil and even Russia in that they were providing the
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Speaker 1: Russians with aviation technology after the Russian invasion into to
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Speaker 1: the Crimea. But of course, if you're a defense industry contractor,
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Speaker 1: you're not really interested in who's fighting. You're only interested
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Speaker 1: in where you can get those weapons and munitions in
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Speaker 1: order to get the maximum profit out of the death
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Speaker 1: and carnage. But we should also remind ourselves that we've
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Speaker 1: got some pretty devious people in the background. So it
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Speaker 1: took the Guardian to produce this bit, which was pushed
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Speaker 1: out on X. Peter Mandelson criticized after saying Ukraine should
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Speaker 1: give unequivocal back into Trump's plan. So, oh dear, we've
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Speaker 1: got one of the old girls in the background, and
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Speaker 1: I just found this a fascinating picture because if we
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Speaker 1: feel that we might not be able to trust Keir
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Speaker 1: Starmer in what he's doing, I wonder how many people
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Speaker 1: feel that Peter Mandelson would be the man to trust
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Speaker 1: in politics. But as I mentioned earlier on in the segment,
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Speaker 1: probably this is one of the most serious things that
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Speaker 1: we should all be paying attention to, and that is
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Speaker 1: the one hundred year packed with Ukraine which appeared out
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Speaker 1: of nowhere. Now I've got to thank one of our
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Speaker 1: viewers who sent me a very interesting email because they said,
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Speaker 1: watch out because the UK Parliament is calling for evidence
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Speaker 1: at the moment. Let's just pop that up on screen.
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Speaker 1: So basically, the International Agreements Committee is calling for evidence
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Speaker 1: for people to make comment with regard to this one
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Speaker 1: hundred year partnership, and the deadline is very close. It's
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Speaker 1: the tenth of March. So if you're not aware that
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Speaker 1: we've gone into bed with Ukraine for one hundred years,
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Speaker 1: and you will have some concerns as we do, then
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Speaker 1: we've only got until the tenth in order to get
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Speaker 1: comment in. But one of the things our viewer pointed
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Speaker 1: out was the fact that in the documents that have
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Speaker 1: been signed six pages, sorry, initially sixteen pages with some
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Speaker 1: additions which take it up to about twenty two pages.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two pages in order to go into one hundred
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Speaker 1: year partnership. But basically what this astute viewer picked up
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Speaker 1: on was the fact that it included a fact that
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Speaker 1: the British government and the Ukrainian government are going to
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Speaker 1: implement countermeasures against individuals who oppose Ukraine. Just think about
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Speaker 1: that one hundred year packed but if you dare criticize
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Speaker 1: Ukraine or its government, you're in for trouble. And against
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Speaker 1: that serious background, we'll just add here that of course
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Speaker 1: the BBC is not interested in the fact we're being
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Speaker 1: locked into one hundred year partnership with a pretty ruthless
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Speaker 1: state involved in major conflict. They preferred to actually have
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Speaker 1: a huge banner all about the oscars. So let's leave
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Speaker 1: that section there, Ben, Let's bring you in because of course,
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Speaker 1: for many people what I've just described they would believe
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Speaker 1: is what's really happening in the political system. But we
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Speaker 1: know rather the better because whilst the politicians are talking,
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Speaker 1: there only the puppets. So take us into the deep state.
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Speaker 2: Yes, good afternoon, everybody.
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Speaker 3: The politicians are out front giving us a show, but
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Speaker 3: actually the real business is happening out the back, and
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Speaker 3: actually we've already migrated to a single system of global
9:39
Speaker 3: governance has been pioneered here in the UK. It runs
9:42
Speaker 3: on advance to digital technologies, especially artificial intelligence. We're going
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Speaker 3: to be governed by artificial intelligence. Apparently it massively increases
9:51
Speaker 3: the power of the state in a completely unprecedented fashion.
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Speaker 3: It's been delivered through a public private partnership which meets
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Speaker 3: the definition of fascism, and it's being run largely by
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Speaker 3: female leaders as far as I can ascertain. In the
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Speaker 3: British Civil Service, also known as I believe the deep State.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a very accurate way of describing it.
10:13
Speaker 3: Before I get into all of that, let's go back
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Speaker 3: to March twenty twenty four, or look at what happened
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Speaker 3: at the Global Government Forum at the Business Design Center
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Speaker 3: in Islington, North London.
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Speaker 4: We are at Public Service Day to live at the
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Speaker 4: Business Design Center.
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Speaker 5: In my one big takeaway here is to really think
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Speaker 5: bold and to think big, to have a really firm
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Speaker 5: vision around how we can do more with data and AI,
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Speaker 5: but to stay focused on the priorities and the things
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Speaker 5: that make a real difference for our citizens and businesses.
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Speaker 6: It's really good to be at Global Government Forum.
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Speaker 5: These events are really important for the public sector, a.
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Speaker 3: Great chance to meet new colleagues, read old colleagues, catch
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Speaker 3: up on the common challenges we're all working on a
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Speaker 3: start to talk about all of our common solutions.
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Speaker 4: The breadth of what we do in the civil service, and
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Speaker 4: he turned the public service is huge, and so it
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Speaker 4: ends like this really shining lights on that.
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Speaker 7: We're all about how we get more value from data
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Speaker 7: for the public sector, driving productivity and be really focused
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Speaker 7: and purposeful.
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Speaker 1: On how we adopt data and AI to deliver public value.
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Speaker 7: The opportunities to make good use of R and data
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Speaker 7: to benefit citizens by better digital services to free up time.
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Speaker 4: I think to hear from such a wide range of
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Speaker 4: government officials around how data and AI is implemented in
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Speaker 4: their different spheres, so look at the common themes that
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Speaker 4: run throughout them, but also their own individual challenges. Though,
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Speaker 4: it was really interesting to have that oversight by.
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Speaker 1: Bringing industry and you know, it's a great great fertivity
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Speaker 1: of ideas.
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Speaker 5: That private public partnership working can actually add real value
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Speaker 5: to the way that we.
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Speaker 8: Do when it comes to serving citizens.
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Speaker 4: My highlight, Scott to be just wandering around.
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Speaker 8: Here speaking to all the exhibitors.
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Speaker 9: I've really enjoyed it getting them to tell me what
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Speaker 9: they do, what their companies do.
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Speaker 8: That's been a real.
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Speaker 1: Treat for me.
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Speaker 10: What cal Listle said at the end of the day
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Speaker 10: on mission vice Government and the need for data to
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Speaker 10: drive the output that's needed was really topical and something
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Speaker 10: that everyone in the room can pick up on. And
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Speaker 10: the future for data is very, very bright.
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Speaker 3: Gosh, it all sounds so optimistic and so harmless, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: What are they there to talk about? They're there to talk.
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Speaker 3: About global government, right It's the Global Government Forum at
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Speaker 3: the Business SOCIGN Center in Islington, that's what they're building.
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Speaker 3: And it's full of UK civil service types, including importantly
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Speaker 3: the NHS. This is Ming Tang who is the Chief
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Speaker 3: Data and Analytics Officer for NHS England. She started in
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Speaker 3: that role in early twenty twenty one. So this role
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Speaker 3: was created in the midst of the COVID situation and
13:04
Speaker 3: importantly the vaccine roll out, so these technologies were deployed
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Speaker 3: as a response to the pandemic. Importantly, this is the
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Speaker 3: great reset in action, essentially the complete transformation of governance
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Speaker 3: in response to the scenario that was constructed around COVID.
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Speaker 3: And we've got NHS Scotland and there as well. This
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Speaker 3: is Albert King, he's the Chief Data Officer there, which
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Speaker 3: is by the way, an extraordinarily important role. Chief data officer.
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Speaker 3: That means you look after all data and all information
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Speaker 3: across the whole of the system. And interestingly, in one
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Speaker 3: of the reasons why these systems probably shouldn't exist. I've
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Speaker 3: heard recently from Alex Thompson channel on telegram that someone
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Speaker 3: in NHS Scotland found out that the NHS had been
13:49
Speaker 3: using their personal health record as a starz E type
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Speaker 3: record of them as a political dissident. Right, So the
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Speaker 3: NHS is kind of operating most like a communist system
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Speaker 3: in the background of the country. Really really concerning. They're
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Speaker 3: talking on stage there about common Solutions. You see at
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Speaker 3: the bottom there it says common Solutions. This is about
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Speaker 3: a whole of government approach to technology and basically integrating
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Speaker 3: everything into a single technology platform. This lady here, that's
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Speaker 3: Sarah Mundy. She's the Permanent Secretary at the Department for Science,
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Speaker 3: Innovation and technology, which is absolutely central to the digital agenda.
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Speaker 3: And before that she spent fifteen years at McKinsey, the
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Speaker 3: global consulting firm World Economic Forum Strategic Partner, where she
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Speaker 3: was responsible for strategy and corporate finance. In sisting these
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Speaker 3: he's also got Ppe from Oxford. She's generally really bad news.
14:45
Speaker 3: People go Ppe from Oxford means they think they know
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Speaker 3: a lot about stuff, but actually they don't really. I'll
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Speaker 3: come back to her later. We also saw this lady
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Speaker 3: from the Cabinet Office and she he talked about public
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Speaker 3: private partnership, which actually said private public partnership, which is corporatism.
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Speaker 3: That's fascism, so that meets Mussolini's definition of fascism.
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Speaker 2: He called it corporatism. We talked about that a lot.
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Speaker 3: Essentially what this system is and that integration of the
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Speaker 3: market in the state is best exemplified by this guy
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Speaker 3: who opened up the video, Craig Suckling, right, and that
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Speaker 3: was shot in twenty twenty four, March twenty four, and
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Speaker 3: he had just become the Chief Data Officer for UK government,
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Speaker 3: so he'd basically taken on that central data and technology
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Speaker 3: role for the whole of the UK government and he
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Speaker 3: joined from Amazon right. So before that, he just spent
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Speaker 3: three years eight months mainty four years as head of
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Speaker 3: Data in AI Strategy.
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Speaker 2: Worldwide at Amazon.
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Speaker 3: Right, and he joined the UK government saying that the
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Speaker 3: potential for data and AI to transform how government adds
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Speaker 3: value to our UK citizens, industries and the communities we
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Speaker 3: live and work in is vast. He then went on
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Speaker 3: to say at the bottom paragraph, we are in a
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Speaker 3: moment of unprecedented this continuous change with data in AI,
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Speaker 3: and we need to move fast. This continuous that means
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Speaker 3: is a clean break between the past and the future.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: This is essentially this new global order that we're talking about. Right,
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Speaker 3: he's there to implement it from Amazon on the back
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Speaker 3: of nearly a billion pounds worth of contracts eight hundred
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Speaker 3: and ninety four million pounds in cloud spend across three
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Speaker 3: contracts with the UK government. They were signed on one
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Speaker 3: day and that's not all of the contracts they're delivering.
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Speaker 3: That's just one day's worth of contract signed in late
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three under the Tory government but still now
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Speaker 3: being delivered under the Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Right. When we talk about.
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Speaker 3: Deep state civil service operating in that fashion, politicians, the
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Speaker 3: Guard may change out front, but actually the infrastructure in
16:54
Speaker 3: the back end and the technology programs they run belong right,
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Speaker 3: And Amazon's making a huge amount of money there, And
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Speaker 3: Craig Suckling he would have overseen those contracts, right, he
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Speaker 3: was the head of AI and he's then gone in
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Speaker 3: to implement that platform as the chief data officer inside
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Speaker 3: the UK government. Has gone from Amazon into the top
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Speaker 3: job in the UK state really importantly. And what do
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Speaker 3: people like that do when they get into government. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's hear now from Diego Centini, who is the outgoing
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Speaker 3: chairman of a political foundation who we speak about a lot,
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Speaker 3: who are spearheading this AI governance program in the UK,
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Speaker 3: and he spent seventeen years as a senior vice president
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Speaker 3: at Amazon delivering government programs, and we're going to hear
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Speaker 3: him describing his experience of doing that inside the Italian
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Speaker 3: government under Mateo Renzi.
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Speaker 6: I can go back with my experience with the Italian government.
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Speaker 6: And it's funny enough that both Robbing and Lisa was
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Speaker 6: mentioning the most common answer they're getting is to know.
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Speaker 2: You can do it.
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Speaker 6: No, it's not possible. It is the fact that you
18:02
Speaker 6: always want to go one or two or three layers
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Speaker 6: below the first answer. And I used to be a
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Speaker 6: detaining government. We wanted to start the program. Oh no,
18:11
Speaker 6: you cannot do that. Why Oh for privacy reasons? Why
18:18
Speaker 6: it didn't take the famous five hye rules. Just the
18:21
Speaker 6: second way was enough to find out that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they just steamrolled or all of the objections
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Speaker 3: out of the way, is what they do. So a
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Speaker 3: company like Amazon goes into the state and says, are
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Speaker 3: we going to do this? Civil servants say, well, you
18:35
Speaker 3: can't do that or why because of privacy or national
18:39
Speaker 3: security or.
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Speaker 2: Any other number of reasons.
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Speaker 3: The organization like Amazon shouldn't be building integrated data platforms
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Speaker 3: inside the government of the UK or Italy or wherever
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Speaker 3: it might be, right, But these people they don't care.
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Speaker 3: They've got an agenda, they've got a program they want
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Speaker 3: to deliver, and they think that they can operate in
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Speaker 3: the government in the same way that they operate in
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Speaker 3: the market, and they are doing that exactly your's happening, right,
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Speaker 3: So that's what's been going on. That's I'm sure what
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Speaker 3: breaks up thing has been doing inside the UK government
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Speaker 3: for the past eleven months, and then two weeks ago
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Speaker 3: that he's leaving right. So he's been in there for
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Speaker 3: under a year in the top top, top top job,
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Speaker 3: on the back of a billion pounds worth of contracts.
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Speaker 3: Plus he's overseen a bunch of legislation. I won't read
19:24
Speaker 3: all this stuff out, will provide links to it, right,
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Speaker 3: But he's overseeing the introduction of a number of different
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Speaker 3: pieces of legislation, a number of guidelines about how AI
19:33
Speaker 3: is deployed, how data should be structured, that are being
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Speaker 3: used across the whole of government and completely reorganized the
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Speaker 3: Government Digital Services, which is the key function for the
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Speaker 3: digital transformation of the state.
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Speaker 2: And then he's left.
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Speaker 3: That's how they do it. They sell the big contract,
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Speaker 3: go in, transform everything, and then leave. And then who's
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Speaker 3: left running it? Well, civil servants are still in there, right,
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Speaker 3: And actually, let me just dwell on this point for
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Speaker 3: a second. This is really important because GDS already existed,
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Speaker 3: you know, Government Digital Services and the transformation of government
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Speaker 3: services has been going on for quite a long time,
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Speaker 3: the migration of things to websites to mobile applications.
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Speaker 2: But the AI bit is new.
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Speaker 3: And the Chief Digital and Data Office, the Central Digital
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Speaker 3: and Data Office, sorry, the Geospatial Commission, the Government Digital
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Speaker 3: Service and the Incubator for Artificial Intelligence dot AI have
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Speaker 3: now all merged to create the new Government Digital Service
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Speaker 3: and the Digital Center of Government, part of the Department
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Speaker 3: of Science, Innovation and Technology. So the GDS now leads
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Speaker 3: the government digital and data function for government.
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Speaker 2: So it's all a bit of a mouthful, but.
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Speaker 3: Essentially they've transformed not just government but the digital function
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Speaker 3: within government. And that happened from April twenty twenty one
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Speaker 3: through to January twenty five, and it was delivered, certainly
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Speaker 3: the pointy bit at the end here by who worked
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Speaker 3: ultimately for Amazon and for corporate interests, right, And it's
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Speaker 3: being done for the benefit of well, supposedly for the populace,
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Speaker 3: but I don't think that that's what's happening at all.
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Speaker 3: It's being delivered and run now by these women.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So this is Sarah Mumby or I spoke about earlier,
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Speaker 3: the former McKinsey partner. This is her announcing the introduction
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Speaker 3: of the new gedes which appears to be being led
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Speaker 3: by these ladies. He would seem right. And actually we've
21:28
Speaker 3: already spoken about a number of senior leaders, senior female
21:31
Speaker 3: leaders earlier on in this peace and in fact with
21:36
Speaker 3: one lady I didn't mention who I came across actually
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Speaker 3: just in the past of half an hour or so,
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Speaker 3: is a lady called kat Little who's the chief operating
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Speaker 3: officer for the whole of the Civil Service. She was
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Speaker 3: actually on stage in that video that we watched earlier.
21:47
Speaker 3: I'll probably come back to her in the next few weeks.
21:50
Speaker 3: And we've also seen this lady who was running the
21:54
Speaker 3: AI dot AI, so the AI Innovation Unit. This is
21:57
Speaker 3: Laura Gilbert. She ran that for four years. She's now
22:01
Speaker 3: just gone off to run AI for government at both
22:05
Speaker 3: the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change and at the
22:08
Speaker 3: Ellison Institute for Technology in Oxford. Right, so it's basically
22:11
Speaker 3: doing the job for the Tony Blair and for Larry Ellison,
22:15
Speaker 3: who's Tony Blair's main benefactor.
22:17
Speaker 2: Right. So those two peas in a pod.
22:20
Speaker 3: And then there's a final point, just to show quite
22:24
Speaker 3: how mucky this whole thing is and inappropriate, this popped
22:28
Speaker 3: up I saw over the weekend pointing out that Peter Kyle,
22:32
Speaker 3: who's the Science Minister who oversees GDS that lives in
22:35
Speaker 3: his department, was paid thirty six pounds last year for
22:41
Speaker 3: technical expertise and policy research by a company called Faculty AI,
22:45
Speaker 3: who are in this ecosystem, who he is subsequently awarded
22:49
Speaker 3: a two point three million pound government contract to. And
22:52
Speaker 3: they end by saying, smelly is an understatement.
22:54
Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely.
22:55
Speaker 1: Correct, Ben, Thank you very much for that. You took
23:00
Speaker 1: us through that segment. What I was thinking was about
23:03
Speaker 1: the sheer size and effectively the power of the civil
23:06
Speaker 1: service in UK, thousands of people employed. Let us not
23:10
Speaker 1: forget that it was the political charity Common Purpose that
23:15
Speaker 1: buried itself into the civil service in order to break
23:19
Speaker 1: down barriers and reframe the way people thought. And I
23:24
Speaker 1: think it's getting easier and easier to see that that
23:26
Speaker 1: was effectively a trojan horse to enable this new generation
23:32
Speaker 1: of leaders, that's what they called themselves, future leaders, to
23:38
Speaker 1: distance themselves from the idea that they were loyal to
23:42
Speaker 1: a nation state and to move into a world where
23:46
Speaker 1: they're globalists and they need this immense AI technology and
23:51
Speaker 1: ITT power in order to make that happen. Perhaps we'll
23:54
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit more in extra time now. Diane,
23:58
Speaker 1: Welcome to the News today. The subject is free speech.
24:02
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's much left in this country, although
24:05
Speaker 1: UK column is on the waves today for the news.
24:10
Speaker 1: But what have you got for us?
24:13
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks Brian and hello Ben. Happy to be here today.
24:17
Speaker 8: And no, we did not have free speech. And as
24:18
Speaker 8: a friend said to me last week in an event
24:21
Speaker 8: I'm about to discuss, if we had free speech, we
24:23
Speaker 8: wouldn't need to be talking about speech, which we were
24:26
Speaker 8: doing at the event. So this was the event. I'll
24:29
Speaker 8: come back to this a bit later after some updates.
24:31
Speaker 8: But there was a Newcastle Politics and Pubs event that
24:34
Speaker 8: I attended last week and the professor Dennis Hayes, who's
24:38
Speaker 8: the director of Academic's Academic Freedom, was the main speaker.
24:41
Speaker 8: But before I get to the details of that event,
24:43
Speaker 8: I'd like to cover a couple of events first that
24:46
Speaker 8: happened last week, particularly the case of doctor al mcgado,
24:50
Speaker 8: who has been fighting the Open University, just as Professor
24:54
Speaker 8: Joe Phoenix did for a very long time. She was
24:57
Speaker 8: dismissed from her job in twenty twenty two November twenty
25:01
Speaker 8: twenty two as a lecturer. She was teaching criminal law
25:04
Speaker 8: and what she said was that using pronouns that did
25:07
Speaker 8: not reflect the biological sex of people that were being
25:10
Speaker 8: discussed in law cases with in doctrinate students and gender
25:13
Speaker 8: identity theory and potentially even sort of confused the cases
25:18
Speaker 8: that we're saying, for example, that it was actually a
25:21
Speaker 8: biological man who raped someone, and you're using she her
25:23
Speaker 8: pronouns because that's their preference, and that could potentially have
25:26
Speaker 8: an impact on the case. So, just as I was
25:29
Speaker 8: when I was going through my situation in academia before
25:33
Speaker 8: I broke free, she was guilty of gross misconduct according
25:37
Speaker 8: to the university, particularly because of her posts about gender identity,
25:41
Speaker 8: saying that criminal law tutors were described as serious and
25:45
Speaker 8: subordination because of what she was saying, and her comments
25:49
Speaker 8: amounted to serious bullying and harassment just for pointing out
25:52
Speaker 8: the reality of biological sex. So last week it was
25:56
Speaker 8: announced by the Committee for Academic Freedom and others who
25:58
Speaker 8: have been working with her, included Academics for Academic Freedom,
26:01
Speaker 8: which is a separate organization. They confirmed that she had
26:05
Speaker 8: settled the tribunal that she was going to face through
26:07
Speaker 8: the Open University. They had settled just a few days
26:10
Speaker 8: before the hearing was about to take place. So this
26:13
Speaker 8: is a major u turn for the university because they
26:15
Speaker 8: had vowed previously to quote vigorously defend its positions, saying
26:19
Speaker 8: that she was guilty of gross misconduct and she deserved
26:23
Speaker 8: to be dismissed.
26:24
Speaker 2: From her job.
26:26
Speaker 8: So going on to Professor Dennis Hayes, he was also
26:29
Speaker 8: interviewed by TB News when he was up here up
26:32
Speaker 8: North and Newcastle this week and put the link in
26:35
Speaker 8: the show notes there's a larger gb news article talking
26:38
Speaker 8: about the issue of universities and things that are causing
26:42
Speaker 8: academics to become canceled. It's becoming more and more common
26:45
Speaker 8: because of things like transgender activism of course, the push
26:48
Speaker 8: to decolonize or destroy the curriculum, destroying British knowledge, destroying
26:53
Speaker 8: our history, and how these things are being real to
26:56
Speaker 8: suppress true freedom of expression. And what Professor Dennis Hayes
26:59
Speaker 8: said in this article is he talked about, for example,
27:03
Speaker 8: his band List of Academics for Academic Freedom, which is
27:05
Speaker 8: on the website. I am a proud member of that list.
27:08
Speaker 8: I believe it's a badge of honor these days. He
27:11
Speaker 8: said that the groups deals daily with these kinds of
27:13
Speaker 8: grievances in case work of academics like what I went
27:15
Speaker 8: through in my experience, who have been disciplined or threatened
27:18
Speaker 8: for speaking their minds in captured universities, and that these
27:23
Speaker 8: anonymous compleats lead to disciplinary actions and the university authorities
27:27
Speaker 8: will knock on the doors of these people who are
27:30
Speaker 8: sharing their views based on anonymous complaints, and of course
27:33
Speaker 8: that the process is the punishment, as I also experienced.
27:36
Speaker 8: And he had an interesting quote that was in the
27:38
Speaker 8: article where he said, why don't you ask all the
27:40
Speaker 8: vice chancellors in the country, is there one vice chancellor
27:43
Speaker 8: who dares say that biological sex is real? And that
27:46
Speaker 8: their management, human resources and all of their EDI equality,
27:49
Speaker 8: diversity inclusion networks would turn against them if one of
27:52
Speaker 8: them did that, as seems to be what he believes.
27:55
Speaker 8: There has been a long standy case going on about
27:58
Speaker 8: the Higher Education Freedom of Speech Act, which was supposed
28:00
Speaker 8: to come into a formal law, but it didn't happen
28:05
Speaker 8: because what Bridget Phillipson when she came in as Education
28:08
Speaker 8: Secretary and Labor Party silenced it. Sorry for the pun
28:13
Speaker 8: and the Free Speech Union has been working against this.
28:16
Speaker 8: They had threatened a judicial review against Labor's so called
28:20
Speaker 8: war and free speech as they called it. Last summer
28:22
Speaker 8: after Labor came into power in the country. But basically
28:25
Speaker 8: they've been going back and forth and she's agreed to
28:28
Speaker 8: maybe back off a little bit on canceling it. So
28:30
Speaker 8: there's a review that will still be pending potentially later
28:34
Speaker 8: in the summer. So those are just some quick updates.
28:38
Speaker 8: So going back to the event on Thursday night in
28:41
Speaker 8: Politics and Pubs, Dennis Hayes was there. There was a
28:44
Speaker 8: chair of the event. He's an Associate Professor of Criminal
28:48
Speaker 8: Evidence and Criminal Law at the University of Northumbria Law School.
28:51
Speaker 8: Chair is he has his pronouns on x are listed
28:54
Speaker 8: as free stroke speech. So let's hear let's want to
28:58
Speaker 8: play this video. I talked to Dennis just a bit
29:00
Speaker 8: after the event was over.
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Speaker 11: Den, thanks for your talk this evening and thanks for
29:06
Speaker 11: answering the questions and creating all the interesting conversation that
29:10
Speaker 11: we've had there this evening through this Politics and Hubs events.
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Speaker 8: The title of this event was free speech, no ifs,
29:17
Speaker 8: no butts. What does that mean to you?
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm the director of Academics for Academic Freedom.
29:23
Speaker 7: And we believe in free speech, no if, no buts
29:27
Speaker 7: in academia, but also in why the social life. So
29:30
Speaker 7: I think if you believe in free speech, you believe
29:34
Speaker 7: in yourself, you believe in your ability to change the world.
29:38
Speaker 7: Who actually believe that the speech matters and as we
29:41
Speaker 7: invialce un portunate and most people don't do this. So
29:45
Speaker 7: people will have always had a butt, so they will
29:50
Speaker 7: say I believe in free speech, but not over then
29:53
Speaker 7: there's a least of people that they're disagreeing. What I
29:57
Speaker 7: always say is that, but really, what's the first part
30:01
Speaker 7: leans they do not believe in free speech? Just guess
30:05
Speaker 7: why don't they just speak.
30:06
Speaker 12: Honest and say I don't believe in full speech.
30:08
Speaker 2: So this is the battle they have to have. So
30:11
Speaker 2: lots of.
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Speaker 7: People who pretend though favor of speech speech, but there's
30:14
Speaker 7: not particularly in the university.
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Speaker 8: Thanks very much for that, Dennis.
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Speaker 11: Let's follow up further on on u K Colm News.
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Speaker 11: This is a really important issue for us that you know,
30:24
Speaker 11: we've made censorship as well as independent media, and I
30:27
Speaker 11: really think that we need to be working together, all
30:29
Speaker 11: of us who are free speech apps. Let us So
30:32
Speaker 11: thank you very much to your time and I know
30:33
Speaker 11: we'll be doing something reporting with you again in the future, so.
30:35
Speaker 8: Thank you again. I really enjoy it.
30:38
Speaker 2: Thank you.
30:42
Speaker 8: So we've heard his position there, and basically he had
30:44
Speaker 8: questions around things like, well, what if there's an incitement
30:47
Speaker 8: to violence through speech, And what he said was, well,
30:49
Speaker 8: there's a difference between speech and action, and just because
30:52
Speaker 8: you talk about violence doesn't mean that you will do it.
30:54
Speaker 8: And anyway, if you did take the action of being
30:57
Speaker 8: violent against someone, then you are personally responsible. And it's
31:00
Speaker 8: not the words. There's quite a bit that we talked
31:02
Speaker 8: about in the debate which I think is good for
31:04
Speaker 8: extra so I will leave that for now. I've also
31:07
Speaker 8: linked to some resources and websites and so on that
31:10
Speaker 8: he mentioned in his speech that will be linked in
31:13
Speaker 8: the show notes later on today. I just want to
31:16
Speaker 8: end the segment with a little bit of a meme
31:18
Speaker 8: I guess you would call it that has been circulating
31:21
Speaker 8: through leftists, especially on Facebook and lots of people that
31:24
Speaker 8: I know in person, where they're saying, well, here are
31:28
Speaker 8: news sources to follow, and as UK Collins copy editor
31:32
Speaker 8: as well, I have to point out the typepost because
31:33
Speaker 8: they can't help myself. So whatever a facust is, facusts
31:37
Speaker 8: not fascists, will always censor. So the best way to
31:40
Speaker 8: combat this is to get new from other countries countries
31:44
Speaker 8: as well, can't even say that correctly. I'm really surprised
31:48
Speaker 8: to see that the BBC was number nine. I would
31:51
Speaker 8: have expected them to be number one, as the primary
31:54
Speaker 8: news source in the entire world of course, right. And
31:56
Speaker 8: also Harold H. E A R LG. So really able
32:01
Speaker 8: to see that whoever it made this meme is a
32:03
Speaker 8: really reliable source because they can't even spell the names
32:05
Speaker 8: of the papers or write a correct sentence. And what
32:08
Speaker 8: I would like to know, Brian, is why UK Colum
32:10
Speaker 8: didn't make the list. Do you have any idea why
32:12
Speaker 8: we wouldn't be up there?
32:14
Speaker 1: Well, because we're a unique and special organization and sometimes
32:17
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32:21
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32:24
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32:29
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33:50
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33:54
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34:15
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34:17
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34:38
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34:40
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34:45
Speaker 1: going to be an extremely interesting speaker, and I'll also
34:49
Speaker 1: say today that I'm going to be making a short
34:53
Speaker 1: speech or presentation at that conference as well. So I
34:57
Speaker 1: think it's going to be an absolutely fascinating event and
35:00
Speaker 1: we really hope to see you there. And at the
35:04
Speaker 1: end of the day in the bar, we're going to
35:06
Speaker 1: try and lift the mood a bit. If you play
35:09
Speaker 1: a musical instrument and would like to give us a
35:12
Speaker 1: few bars, then bring your guitar or flute or mandolin,
35:16
Speaker 1: whatever it is along and we will see what happens. Okay,
35:20
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that. Now I'm going to
35:23
Speaker 1: move on to the serious subject of child snatching child
35:28
Speaker 1: stealing by the UK state, and I'm going to say
35:30
Speaker 1: that over the last couple of weeks, I've been contacted
35:34
Speaker 1: by a significant number of parents, mainly mothers, who've been
35:40
Speaker 1: through this terrible procedure, and we've done some follow up interviews.
35:45
Speaker 1: I'm just going to show you a couple of clips
35:47
Speaker 1: from two of the interviews that I did recently. Let's
35:50
Speaker 1: have a look at a child snatched as an experienced
36:04
Speaker 1: Carara or inverted Comma's mother for your grandchildren. You see
36:11
Speaker 1: that that youngest child is being abused within the care
36:17
Speaker 1: system itself.
36:19
Speaker 13: Yeah, terrific every week. And then it was found also
36:23
Speaker 13: that it wasn't just when I was seeing her once
36:25
Speaker 13: a week, it was actually being lockdown in the foster
36:29
Speaker 13: care of records that she was also being armed during
36:32
Speaker 13: the week as well. It's the needle marks as well
36:36
Speaker 13: that were kept seeing in her and just the way
36:39
Speaker 13: she presented, didn't stand up, can't speak this and turret
36:45
Speaker 13: or disorientated. We took video for each other, We took
36:50
Speaker 13: photos off the bruising every week and then we were stopped.
36:55
Speaker 13: We were told we had to sign what I call
36:58
Speaker 13: a draconian on right to say that I would not
37:03
Speaker 13: take my phone in there, I would not try and
37:05
Speaker 13: change her nappy or try and take any of the
37:07
Speaker 13: clothing off due to them telling me that I was
37:12
Speaker 13: making militias delegations and police and the child police story,
37:18
Speaker 13: the child protection officers are covering up the child sex
37:21
Speaker 13: abuse or the abuse on our children. And that is
37:24
Speaker 13: the evidence that I have.
37:28
Speaker 1: So there we are a testimony from a lady. Look
37:32
Speaker 1: out for the full interview which will give you plenty
37:35
Speaker 1: of notice of well what is she talking about? Children
37:38
Speaker 1: snatch taken by the UK state, by social services and
37:43
Speaker 1: then those children being abused within the care system. And
37:48
Speaker 1: the irony is that in many cases these children are
37:51
Speaker 1: being taken from loving parents and put in abusive situations.
37:56
Speaker 1: So that was one mother. Let's have a look at
37:59
Speaker 1: another interview clip that I did recently.
38:03
Speaker 8: So obviously, as soon as the children were in the car,
38:06
Speaker 8: they sped off at lightning speed, like I'm talking super fast.
38:11
Speaker 8: It was like something out of a movie.
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Speaker 2: Can you leave now? No, you need to leave now.
38:17
Speaker 8: You are kidnapping the children. This is kidnapping.
38:21
Speaker 4: You can't kidnap children from their mother.
38:23
Speaker 7: That's evil.
38:24
Speaker 8: There's no official course.
38:29
Speaker 2: Definitely to go with the children. That would.
38:46
Speaker 1: I look today's audience in the eye, I say, I
38:49
Speaker 1: know these videos are very, very hard to watch, but
38:52
Speaker 1: this is the reality of what is going on in
38:55
Speaker 1: the UK. So while we're busy mesmerized with what Zelenski
38:59
Speaker 1: is saying or Keir Starmer is talking about on the
39:02
Speaker 1: world stage, the reality is that nobody's children are safe
39:07
Speaker 1: within this country because any one of us could have
39:10
Speaker 1: a knock on the door. Police and social services are
39:13
Speaker 1: there and they will take our children. And as we've
39:18
Speaker 1: heard from these grandmothers, but there are plenty of other
39:22
Speaker 1: mums coming forward. Now we have the really bad situation
39:26
Speaker 1: that even when the children, when the children are taken,
39:30
Speaker 1: they're not safe within the so called protection of the
39:34
Speaker 1: child protection teams. That's from social workers or the police.
39:39
Speaker 1: So these are really critical interviews because if you value
39:43
Speaker 1: your future, in the future of your family, you need
39:46
Speaker 1: to understand that nobody's children are safe because these authorities
39:52
Speaker 1: are out of control and they are stealing children. I'll
39:56
Speaker 1: leave you to think about that now. Thank you to
39:59
Speaker 1: another one of our viewers who pointed out this news
40:02
Speaker 1: report from the Lancaster Guardian and it was talking about
40:07
Speaker 1: a new project Hope. It was giving hope and Teddy
40:12
Speaker 1: Bears to mothers who've had their newborn babies taken away
40:16
Speaker 1: from them by the British state. Now I know that
40:19
Speaker 1: this article was sent to me in good faith, but
40:22
Speaker 1: if we get deeper into what this whole thing was about,
40:25
Speaker 1: we can start to ask some really important questions. So
40:29
Speaker 1: this is part of the Hope project, giving hope and
40:33
Speaker 1: minimizing trauma, and it aims to minimize the trauma experienced
40:37
Speaker 1: by mothers and babies who are separated close to birth
40:41
Speaker 1: due to safeguarding concerns. With regard to Sam Nass that
40:46
Speaker 1: I interviewed, her baby was taken within a matter of
40:49
Speaker 1: minutes of being born. So these are really really serious things.
40:54
Speaker 1: But if we get into what the university's been up to,
40:57
Speaker 1: it's been working with the Center for Child and fath
41:00
Speaker 1: Family Justice Research. And if we start to look through
41:03
Speaker 1: who is operating this, we have a mixture of people
41:06
Speaker 1: from social services backgrounds. So these very child protection teams
41:12
Speaker 1: that the mothers are now exposing as being grossly negligent
41:18
Speaker 1: or actually calculating in what is actually happening to the students,
41:23
Speaker 1: to the children. But also, as you can see here
41:26
Speaker 1: as our partners come up, we've got adoption and fostering
41:30
Speaker 1: agencies and alliances and companies in CAFCASS. These are all
41:35
Speaker 1: people that make their money and make their profits out
41:40
Speaker 1: of children being taken into care and taken for adoption.
41:45
Speaker 1: And I believe that the public, the wider public, need
41:48
Speaker 1: to be asking a lot of questions about exactly who
41:51
Speaker 1: these people are and what these university surveys and experiments
41:56
Speaker 1: are about. This is one of the key ladies from
41:59
Speaker 1: that particular program. Now, of course we're not suggesting that
42:02
Speaker 1: she has personally done anything wrong. What we're asking is
42:07
Speaker 1: how is it that the agencies that are failing are
42:11
Speaker 1: brought in to work with Lancaster University in order to
42:15
Speaker 1: research this incredibly traumatic and difficult area about young children
42:20
Speaker 1: being taken by the state. And if we get into
42:23
Speaker 1: more detail, this is some of the documents here, So
42:27
Speaker 1: we've got born into care towards best practice guidelines when
42:31
Speaker 1: the state intervenes at birth. Remember what the two grandmothers
42:35
Speaker 1: are talking about child stealing by the state, but here
42:39
Speaker 1: it's called intervention at birth and this is all being
42:42
Speaker 1: funded by the Nuffield Foundation. If we have a look
42:46
Speaker 1: at some of the comments, they're talking about the research
42:49
Speaker 1: project devising and testing evidence informed best practice guidelines designed
42:55
Speaker 1: to inform practice when the state intervenes to protect infants
43:00
Speaker 1: birth through care proceedings. But there are increasing national international
43:05
Speaker 1: concerns about the volume of newborns in care proceedings and
43:10
Speaker 1: safe and effective and ethical practice. The two videos that
43:14
Speaker 1: you've actually seen earlier were about children being taken from
43:19
Speaker 1: loving homes and then put in the position where they're
43:23
Speaker 1: being abused within the care system. But it appears that
43:27
Speaker 1: this university at least has little idea that this is
43:31
Speaker 1: actually taking place. So the document went on and said,
43:35
Speaker 1: given the vulnerability of infants and their mothers in the
43:38
Speaker 1: immediate post natal period, issuing care proceedings at or close
43:42
Speaker 1: to birth is fraught with moral, ethical and legal challenges,
43:48
Speaker 1: and without effective, timely assessment and support during pregnancy, intervention
43:53
Speaker 1: of birth is likely to be poorly planned and can
43:56
Speaker 1: result in instability for the new baby, huge distress for
44:01
Speaker 1: family members. Well, you've seen some of that distress on screen,
44:05
Speaker 1: and we'll just end with this last comment here. It says,
44:09
Speaker 1: despite the complexity surrounding this practice. There is scant reference
44:13
Speaker 1: to either pre birth assessments or removals at birth in
44:19
Speaker 1: national statutory guidance. A total of twenty seven papers were
44:23
Speaker 1: published between nineteen nineteen and twenty eighteen were included in
44:27
Speaker 1: the final review of the work that was done, and
44:31
Speaker 1: the studies were primarily conducted in England and Australia, but
44:35
Speaker 1: also in Canada, USA, Northern Ireland and Scotland. So this
44:40
Speaker 1: is international work, but it's failing to get to the
44:43
Speaker 1: basics that we have state organizations involved in the stealing
44:49
Speaker 1: and abuse of children. Meanwhile, the BBC has focused today
44:54
Speaker 1: on TikTok profiting from sexual live streams involving children. Where's
44:59
Speaker 1: this occurred, Well, don't worry, this is in Kenya. The
45:02
Speaker 1: BBC can't get to the number of the matter in UK,
45:06
Speaker 1: but three women in Kenya spoke and talked about their
45:11
Speaker 1: involvement in sexual material produced over TikTok. And if I
45:16
Speaker 1: just include this other graphic from the BBC report, you
45:21
Speaker 1: see the warning contains details of a sexual nature. So
45:25
Speaker 1: the BBC has got its very prim and proper hap
45:28
Speaker 1: on with respect to Kenya. But of course, what's it
45:31
Speaker 1: going to deliver to the UK column. Sorry to the
45:34
Speaker 1: UK audience, it's going to deliver this which is from
45:39
Speaker 1: BBC Eyeplayer. It's called The Dope Girls. It contains strong language,
45:45
Speaker 1: sexual content, violence and upsetting scenes. So my point to
45:50
Speaker 1: the audience is that of course the media within UK
45:56
Speaker 1: cannot investigate what's really happening with children being stolen by
46:01
Speaker 1: the state and abused with the resulting cover up, but
46:05
Speaker 1: we can put out this sort of material in order
46:08
Speaker 1: to distract the public. Diane, let's bring you back in
46:13
Speaker 1: because of course children are not safe at home, but
46:15
Speaker 1: they're also not safe in the education system.
46:20
Speaker 8: Now definitely not in England for sure. Brian and I
46:23
Speaker 8: would like to say to the audience that if you
46:25
Speaker 8: do have young children around watching the news, please make
46:29
Speaker 8: sure that you are aware that there will be some
46:32
Speaker 8: graphic content that I will present in this segment. This
46:35
Speaker 8: comes from an interview that I did last week with
46:38
Speaker 8: Kathy Mudge of Protect and Teach. We had a very
46:41
Speaker 8: successful interview. It was very difficult for both of us
46:44
Speaker 8: to do. This is a very difficult topic for me
46:47
Speaker 8: to cover. The interviews seems to have had several thousand
46:51
Speaker 8: views on Twitter, Slash X the last few days and
46:54
Speaker 8: it's been shared many times, and so we can start
46:56
Speaker 8: to see, just as Brian is hearing from mothers, that
47:00
Speaker 8: there are people that are increasingly aware that there are
47:02
Speaker 8: issues going on and we need to do something about them.
47:05
Speaker 8: So please check out the interview with Kathy if you
47:07
Speaker 8: haven't done so already. And my question was thinking about
47:11
Speaker 8: this over the last few days. Why is this happening
47:14
Speaker 8: in the schools. Why is there so much sexual content
47:17
Speaker 8: and other types of inappropriate content being introduced to young children?
47:20
Speaker 8: And I had some discussion with this over the weekend
47:22
Speaker 8: as well with Martin Edwards, who's one of the writers
47:25
Speaker 8: for UK column who is a kind of a specialist
47:27
Speaker 8: in globalism. And because of some of the resources that
47:30
Speaker 8: he shared and things that I found myself, it does.
47:34
Speaker 8: It goes back to the twenty thirty Agenda. It goes
47:36
Speaker 8: back to global education. So here's something from MUNESCO saying MUNESCO,
47:41
Speaker 8: as the United Nations Specialized Agency for Education, is entrusted
47:45
Speaker 8: to lead and coordinate the Education twenty thirty Agenda, which
47:48
Speaker 8: is part of a global movement to eradicate poverty through
47:51
Speaker 8: seventeen sustainable development goals by twenty thirty. Education essential to
47:55
Speaker 8: achieve all of these goals, has its own dedicated Goal
47:58
Speaker 8: number four, which aims to quote ensure inclusive and equitable
48:02
Speaker 8: quality education and promote lifelong opportunities for all. So Education
48:06
Speaker 8: twenty thirty from Minesco is called the global multi Stakeholder mechanism.
48:11
Speaker 8: So multiple stakeholders, what does that sound like to accelerate
48:15
Speaker 8: progress towards Sustainable Development Goal four pality education. In the
48:19
Speaker 8: October November last year, there was a Global Education Meeting,
48:22
Speaker 8: so Globalism Education resulted in what's called the Fort Lesa
48:26
Speaker 8: Declaration because it was held in Fort Laser, Brazil. I
48:30
Speaker 8: Unlocking the transformative power of education for peaceful, equitable and
48:34
Speaker 8: sustainable futures. There is a report aligned with SGG four
48:38
Speaker 8: which has one hundred and thirty nine pages long, which
48:40
Speaker 8: was actually previously mentioned on UK column back in twenty twenty.
48:43
Speaker 8: Very briefly, it is mostly through UN based organizations, but
48:48
Speaker 8: the World Health Organization was also one of the authors,
48:51
Speaker 8: and so we can see here that this is the
48:53
Speaker 8: International Technical Guidance on Sexuality Education and Evidence informed approach.
48:59
Speaker 8: There are eight areas as within the Sustainable Development Goal four.
49:02
Speaker 8: I'm going to focus mostly on four point seven, which
49:05
Speaker 8: is around sexuality and sexual behavior. And what four point
49:09
Speaker 8: seven says in particular is that by twenty thirty, ensure
49:12
Speaker 8: that all owners require the knowledge and skills needed to
49:15
Speaker 8: promote sustainable development, including, among others, through education for sustainable
49:19
Speaker 8: development and sustainable lifestyles, human rights, gender equality, promotion of
49:23
Speaker 8: a culture of peace and non violence, global citizenship, and
49:26
Speaker 8: appreciation of cultural diversity and of culture's contribution to sustainable development.
49:31
Speaker 8: I have a short clip here from Minesco telling us
49:34
Speaker 8: a little bit more.
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Speaker 12: CS aims to ensure that all young people develop the
49:39
Speaker 12: knowledge and skills to make conscious, healthy and responsible choices
49:44
Speaker 12: about relationships and sexuality. CS has always been a part
49:48
Speaker 12: of many cultures. Often faunily members taught young people about puberty,
49:53
Speaker 12: sex and relationships. Now, as societies change, the responsibility is
49:58
Speaker 12: increasingly shared with health workers, teachers, and schools. CS in
50:03
Speaker 12: schools is led by trained teachers and professionals. It focuses
50:07
Speaker 12: on the development of practical skills and knowledge that is
50:10
Speaker 12: scientifically accurate and comprehensive. CS starts in primary school with
50:15
Speaker 12: age appropriate content and builds on topics gradually as the
50:18
Speaker 12: child grows older. And develops. It looks at human development
50:22
Speaker 12: throughout every phase of life, including physical, psychological, social, and
50:28
Speaker 12: spiritual dimensions. CS gives young people a chance to think
50:33
Speaker 12: critically about gender and about their role and their culture
50:36
Speaker 12: and society. It teaches about tolerance, nonviolence, respect, equality, and empathy.
50:43
Speaker 12: CS shapes values, attitudes, and decisions about relationships, including healthy
50:48
Speaker 12: sexual relationships when the time comes. With his knowledge and
50:52
Speaker 12: these life skills, it's easier for young people to decide if, when,
50:56
Speaker 12: and with whom to have sex.
51:02
Speaker 8: So I'll leave that there. Going to the World Economic
51:05
Speaker 8: Forum because anytime you see something from the UN or
51:07
Speaker 8: the WHI, you also have to check the WEF. And
51:09
Speaker 8: I did find an article and several articles. Actually, this
51:12
Speaker 8: is a quote from one from twenty nineteen that said quote,
51:15
Speaker 8: Like critics of LGBTQ iplus education, opponents of comprehensive sexuality
51:20
Speaker 8: education seek to justify their stance on cultural, religious, social,
51:24
Speaker 8: or even political grounds. Leaders worldwide must stand up for
51:27
Speaker 8: comprehensive sexuality education. So we see the leaders being expected
51:31
Speaker 8: to follow what Davos tells us to do. With accurate information,
51:34
Speaker 8: the public is far more likely to accept sexuality education.
51:37
Speaker 8: So there's your nudging on your messaging. That's an article
51:41
Speaker 8: from the twenty nineteen The UK government has statutory guidance
51:46
Speaker 8: on teaching Relationships and Sex education called RSE, and that
51:50
Speaker 8: that can all be seen in the show notes, essentially
51:52
Speaker 8: basically saying that we are required, or teachers in England
51:57
Speaker 8: are required to teach education. Parents can withdraw from it
52:01
Speaker 8: for primary school students in some cases, but they cannot
52:04
Speaker 8: withdraw from it in secondary school. And of course it
52:06
Speaker 8: just gets more more graphic as the students progress through school.
52:09
Speaker 8: This includes the LGBT in doctrination, gender identity. All that
52:14
Speaker 8: stuff is mandated in this part of what is now
52:17
Speaker 8: the official curriculum. I went back to see how far
52:20
Speaker 8: this went. I found a report from Ofsted which was
52:23
Speaker 8: back in written in twenty twelve, where they did a
52:26
Speaker 8: critique of education in schools related to relationships, sex education
52:31
Speaker 8: and so on. And in twenty twelve they were saying
52:33
Speaker 8: this was not yet good enough, and eventually they submitted
52:35
Speaker 8: written evidence to Parliament and it was discussed in the
52:38
Speaker 8: House of Lords as early as twenty sixteen, and I
52:41
Speaker 8: just sort of accelerated from there and then became a
52:44
Speaker 8: mandatory in twenty nineteen twenty twenty. So Protect and Teach
52:49
Speaker 8: what the organization that Kathy works with that I mentioned.
52:51
Speaker 8: She has a lot of information on her website about
52:54
Speaker 8: they've attempted to start to change the guidance to be
52:57
Speaker 8: a little bit safer for children, but it hasn't happened
52:59
Speaker 8: yet because of the fact that essentially there's no the
53:05
Speaker 8: sort of labor came in, I think you could say,
53:08
Speaker 8: and the discussion about making safeguarding for children stopped at
53:11
Speaker 8: that point. There was a report from the University College
53:14
Speaker 8: London called Good Practice GUDE for Teaching Relationships and Sexuality
53:17
Speaker 8: Education that was published in twenty nineteen. The links in
53:20
Speaker 8: the show notes there's some absolutely shocking things in there
53:23
Speaker 8: in terms of the visuals and the graphics and so on. One
53:26
Speaker 8: of the things that they recommended is called the gender unicorn,
53:29
Speaker 8: and this is one of the things where it shows
53:32
Speaker 8: that basically the spectrum of gender in gender ideology and
53:36
Speaker 8: gender identity and so on, which of course is as
53:39
Speaker 8: you can see with the cartoonish unicorn, there is meant
53:42
Speaker 8: to be presented to very young children, very complicated information there.
53:46
Speaker 8: Even for grown ups it's difficult to comprehend. I'm not
53:49
Speaker 8: sure how they would expect a child to comprehend this.
53:52
Speaker 8: There's an organization called the PSH Association in the UK,
53:57
Speaker 8: which is kind of the professional association that gordon all
54:00
Speaker 8: of these efforts with the schools and with the government.
54:04
Speaker 8: One of the companies I want to focus on here
54:06
Speaker 8: at the end of the segment is a company called Jigsaw,
54:09
Speaker 8: and Kathy told me about this organization as part of
54:12
Speaker 8: her work and Protect and Teach. They are an outsourcing
54:15
Speaker 8: company that provides PSC education and content and materials related
54:19
Speaker 8: to sex education for children of our ages in England.
54:23
Speaker 8: And I have a video clip here from a webinar
54:26
Speaker 8: that was presented on twenty first to February twenty twenty
54:29
Speaker 8: five to kind of show a little bit of the
54:31
Speaker 8: internal discussion that they're having with the teachers who use
54:33
Speaker 8: Jigsack curriculum.
54:36
Speaker 9: So as you're all aware, I'm sure there was the
54:40
Speaker 9: RSK guidance set out in twenty nineteen, which schools then
54:45
Speaker 9: went ahead and implemented alongside the complications of the COVID
54:51
Speaker 9: nineteen the pandemic, and then this year there has been
54:57
Speaker 9: a consultation on draw new draft guidance which has although
55:03
Speaker 9: has not become the guidance as things stand, it has
55:07
Speaker 9: meant that there has been quite a lot of confusion
55:10
Speaker 9: in messaging around ensuring that we remain compliant. So that
55:17
Speaker 9: can be a real worry for us as teachers, is am,
55:21
Speaker 9: I are we still compliant? To be really clear, everybody
55:27
Speaker 9: should still be following the twenty nineteen guidance. There has
55:30
Speaker 9: been no change to that as things stand.
55:36
Speaker 8: So you can hear that she's even uncertain about what
55:38
Speaker 8: she's saying, or that's how I hear it, but do
55:39
Speaker 8: you hear the compliance and you are expected to do
55:42
Speaker 8: this Jigsaw is funded by a right of sources. One
55:46
Speaker 8: has one sources called Thincats, which has given them i
55:49
Speaker 8: think two million pounds back in twenty twenty three. They
55:52
Speaker 8: are a funding facility. They work with the British Business Bank,
55:55
Speaker 8: which is the government's economic development bank, and of course
55:58
Speaker 8: the Business Bank is is committed to net zero economy
56:02
Speaker 8: and all of these sort of sustainable development goals issues.
56:05
Speaker 8: So we see all of the globalism being tied back
56:07
Speaker 8: up into what actually relates to the curriculum that's put
56:10
Speaker 8: in front of children. And I'm going to put these
56:12
Speaker 8: briefly on the screen. I found this on a school website.
56:15
Speaker 8: This is some of Jigsaw's curriculum. Again, please take your
56:18
Speaker 8: children away if you don't want them to see this.
56:20
Speaker 8: We see diagrams of male and female reproductive organs. We
56:24
Speaker 8: see visuals of sperm and eggs, and we also see
56:27
Speaker 8: and this is for children ages eight to nine, by
56:29
Speaker 8: the way, lists of vocabulary terms related to reproduction. And
56:35
Speaker 8: we see again this is all being put right in
56:38
Speaker 8: front of our children with very explicit terminology. Why someone
56:42
Speaker 8: who's eight years old needs to know how babies are
56:44
Speaker 8: made and all of the words to relate to that,
56:46
Speaker 8: I'm not sure at all, but I think it really
56:49
Speaker 8: has to do with the STGs and the larger rather
56:52
Speaker 8: evil agenda, globalist agenda that we're seeing right now at
56:55
Speaker 8: this point in time.
56:56
Speaker 1: Brian, Joanne, thank you very much for that lot to discuss,
57:01
Speaker 1: which we'll say for UK column Extra in a couple
57:04
Speaker 1: of minutes time. Ben, let's bring you back on. We're
57:07
Speaker 1: going to end on the subject of farming, and of
57:10
Speaker 1: course the globalists have got their fingers well into the
57:14
Speaker 1: farming pie now.
57:17
Speaker 2: They certainly do.
57:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's attacking the farmers, Well, it's these people that
57:22
Speaker 3: are attacking the farmers. And this is going to be
57:24
Speaker 3: slightly enraging but also completely ludicrous when we get into
57:27
Speaker 3: the back end of it. So I've spoken to you
57:29
Speaker 3: about a Founders Forum group previously. It's run by this guy,
57:32
Speaker 3: Brent Hoberman CBE, who's on, amongst other things, the advisory
57:37
Speaker 3: board at GDS, who I spoke about earlier. And he's
57:39
Speaker 3: also a World Economic Forum young global leader and he
57:43
Speaker 3: runs Founders Forum. Who brought TechNation right so technician founders
57:48
Speaker 3: for him, same thing. And they've got this climate Growth program.
57:51
Speaker 3: This is all about introducing startups to investors and radically
57:56
Speaker 3: transforming the food and the energy system, right really you know,
58:00
Speaker 3: fundamental stuff. I'm going to have a little look at
58:03
Speaker 3: what they're up to this year. So they have got
58:06
Speaker 3: a cohort of startups that they're bringing together this month.
58:10
Speaker 3: They're going to introduce them to a bunch of corporations
58:13
Speaker 3: who are operating in this space who might buy from
58:16
Speaker 3: or invest.
58:16
Speaker 2: Them in them potentially.
58:18
Speaker 3: They're going to introduce them to people like Ed Milliband
58:20
Speaker 3: you can see there, who's driving the climates tech policy agenda.
58:24
Speaker 3: And then also do some investors in June who could
58:27
Speaker 3: potentially seed or put some venture funding into what they're
58:30
Speaker 3: doing basically, right, it's very very well put together. They've
58:33
Speaker 3: got a whole committee who are overseeing this thing. Founders, investors,
58:39
Speaker 3: other leaders running businesses. There's thirteen people on that committee.
58:42
Speaker 3: It's been going since twenty twenty twenty. Sorry, So the
58:45
Speaker 3: past four years they've done quite a lot. Actually, one
58:49
Speaker 3: point five billion raised for people on the program, a
58:52
Speaker 3: thousand connections made, sixty plus mentors work with one hundred
58:57
Speaker 3: and forty up plus climate tech startups supported. Right, so
59:01
Speaker 3: this is actually having a material impact on the system.
59:04
Speaker 3: But then when you actually sort of dig into what
59:06
Speaker 3: does it actually manifest and who are the people involved
59:09
Speaker 3: in this and what does that actually look like, you
59:11
Speaker 3: end up coming across stuff like this, right, And this
59:14
Speaker 3: was an event that they ran last week in the
59:16
Speaker 3: barbecue with this lady who is Arizona Muse, who is
59:21
Speaker 3: a model and a sustainability consultant.
59:26
Speaker 2: And there's a little quote here, I won't read it
59:28
Speaker 2: all out.
59:29
Speaker 3: Put a link to this post, but she basically describes
59:31
Speaker 3: this event as a transformative forum where we combined agriculture, fashion,
59:38
Speaker 3: investing in nature embodiment. I'm sure that is and a
59:43
Speaker 3: sprinkle of spirituality into a comprehensive program. Right, so fashion
59:49
Speaker 3: in farming, this is what they're looking to replace the
59:54
Speaker 3: existing agricultural system with these sorts of people tech fund investors.
1:00:01
Speaker 3: And look at this, they've got some dirt on a table.
1:00:07
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, none of these people have ever
1:00:09
Speaker 3: had any dirt under their fingernails. I'm absolutely sure of it.
1:00:13
Speaker 3: And then just finally it's it's given comical. I can't
1:00:19
Speaker 3: quite get my head around it. The only thing I
1:00:21
Speaker 3: can think of is that is this idea of impact
1:00:23
Speaker 3: investing is essentially if we collapse the system and destroy everything,
1:00:29
Speaker 3: then we can take everyone's assets. And it feels to
1:00:32
Speaker 3: me like these young women and people that these founders'
1:00:36
Speaker 3: forums event are leading the charge on that front. So anyway,
1:00:39
Speaker 3: a little glimpse into what's going on in the farming industry.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: Okay, they all look happy, and this one as well, Ben,
1:00:45
Speaker 1: So clearly they are on something and maybe we need
1:00:49
Speaker 1: a bit of it, maybe we don't. We must end there.
1:00:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Diane and Ben, thank you both
1:00:55
Speaker 1: very much for joining me on the news today. I'll
1:00:58
Speaker 1: also say to the audio, to the wider audience, if
1:01:01
Speaker 1: there's anybody out there who is experiencing trouble with social
1:01:07
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1:01:10
Speaker 1: contact with the UK column. We're doing our best, but
1:01:13
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people contacting us and it's very interesting.
1:01:18
Speaker 1: There does seem to be some legacy media interest in
1:01:24
Speaker 1: what we are now talking about, so we'll see how
1:01:26
Speaker 1: that develops. But we must leave the news there. Thank
1:01:29
Speaker 1: you all for joining us. If you're a UK column member,
1:01:32
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