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Resist Mass Surveillance by Embracing Linux — Hakeem Anwar | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. You sound epic with that reverb
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that's on your voice. So for anyone who's wondering
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why your reverb is on me doing it.
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Thanks for drawing attention to that.
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Actually, at the end of the show, Jeremy and I have planned
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a little little singing audition.
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So that's why, you know, we want to spice it up a little bit.
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You know, these talk shows are so boring.
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People just talk and talk and talk, you know?
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We were just talking a moment ago, Hakim.
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So above phone was kind enough to send me this quantum.
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What do you call it? Laptop notebook?
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I don't know what the correct term is.
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It is a beast of a machine. It runs Linux, your version
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privacy orientated. It's completely secure.
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I mean, it's a great machine. Jeremy yeah.
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And you're, you are our first South African customer.
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I want to say. Yeah, you probably are.
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And yes, so our our privacy notebook, a privacy laptop, one
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that's fully equipped to do local AI, so you can run really
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large AI models on that machine. And some people might be
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resistant to that. Some people might be excited
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about that. We could, we could talk about
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that. But it's essentially like a
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gaming laptop with a privacy oriented operating system that
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we wrote. It's based off of Arch Linux for
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for those of you that use Linux, that's the one where, yeah,
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what? I mean, what do you think about
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it, Jeremy? Well I love the the fact that
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you got NVIDIA and AMD. What are those Ryzen?
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I don't know what any of this stuff is because I work mostly
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on Apple, but I'm guessing this is all good quality stuff.
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Definitely. And I mean, it's kind of, you
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know, it's kind of was a good play in our book because we, we
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were, we've been develop, developing this laptop since
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back in September. And you know, we, we made the
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acquisitions and now the prices for graphics cards and, and
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solid-state drives and RAM is just skyrocket.
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I mean, it's, it's crazy. It's like going vertical because
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of this AI data centre grab. So it's like Jerome, you got to
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carve your own slice. You got your own personal data
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centre right there before they all get bought up so well.
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You mentioned AI. Yeah, you mentioned AI.
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I'm quite a fan, I think. I think the unbridled paranoia
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is is probably unwarranted because like anything that's
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tech based Hakim, it's a tool can be used for good and for
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bad. 100% I, I couldn't, I couldn't agree more.
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And I think we just got to get in that habit, which I, I think,
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I think when you connect with your audience, you, you try to
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get them to see the nuance and things.
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And there's a lot of nuance with, with AII mean it could, it
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could really take care of a lot of monotonous work.
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Now, the problem is most people don't know this, but every time
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you run a cloud AI query through Google or Open AI, there's been
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analysis. There's was a Stanford study
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here in the US showing the water usage every time you run that
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query that uses up about a bottle of water this big, like
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literally it costs that bottle of water.
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So there, there are some supreme consequences too for using the
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AI and we should just know that getting into it.
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So This is why we encourage people to use local AI or
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there's no water being used. When you use a local AI on your
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computer, it's blowing, it's it's handling the heat with air
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and it's pushing it out with a fan.
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There's no water involved, right?
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So there's this little difference that happens.
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Well, you asked me what I think of it and it is quite a beast.
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I have played with it. The battery's run flat and I
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can't charge it. Why?
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Because you sent me an American plug.
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You're giving me a moment of self reflection here and it's
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like we should really offer an international adapter for
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people. We really should just do it.
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I'm glad, I'm glad you got it. I'm glad it came in one piece.
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And that must have been quite a feeling, right?
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You're like getting into the laptop.
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You're using it and then it's like I'm going to die.
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The plugs make so much more sense to me.
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I was just telling you a moment ago.
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It's smaller. This is way better than whatever
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we use. I think we use some sort of
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British. I don't know what is this?
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What do we use in South Africa? It's like a British European
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hybrid. It's very big and clunky.
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Your. Plugs are.
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So much better. We should, we should name and
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shame the person who came up with a 240 Volt standard.
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Like I'm, I'm honestly curious. I've spent some time in the UK
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and it's like, yeah, it's like you look at the plug in a room
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and it's always front and centre.
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Like it's like the showpiece of the room.
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It's that. It's huge.
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It's like wall art. Your your plug is similar to
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what I saw when I was in China. China's got two different plugs
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depending on where you are in the country and it uses this
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same kind of what do you call this?
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Like this, these thin little things, these these two bottom.
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Prongs. Prongs are thin.
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That makes more way more sense. Yeah, but you said they had two
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kinds. So how do you know which
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electronics to buy in in China like?
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I just got both. Yeah, I had both with me.
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I, I want to go to China this year.
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By the way, Jeremy, we should talk about that affair, but I, I
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want to go check it out. Yeah, if you go, I'll go with
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you. It is.
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It's an incredible country. But if we're talking privacy and
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China, this is a, this is a very complicated conversation to
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have. But having said that, having
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said that, privacy actually is a complicated conversation
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everywhere in the world, which is precisely why you guys have
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brought out privacy driven tech. Oh, I mean, I, it's, it's a
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really golden moment for me, Jeremy, because it's something
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I've been warning about since the beginning of 20/20/2019.
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And I think people were kind of dismissing it.
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And now it's like the, you know, what do they say?
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Chickens come home to roost. It's like, yeah, it's like, it's
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like everywhere. It's in our cars.
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Our our cars are spying on us and reporting to our insurance
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providers. We have a unified surveillance
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system here in the US Recent big news is that the Ring doorbells
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from Amazon, you know, the little doorbells that watch you
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when you come. So those are now plugging in
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with the Flock camera system, which is in almost every town in
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the United States. So now those two companies are
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sharing data together at this new era of unified surveillance.
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And it's yeah, it's I'm like, Yep, told you so.
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But what the good news is that a lot of people are waking up to
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it and interested in privacy. Now we were talking, we just
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mentioned local AI and I, I know a lot of people have mixed
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feelings on AI. Even my own following, when I
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decided to do this webinar empowerment with ethical local
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and Private AI had a lot of messages that came out saying,
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are you going to talk about how it's destroying children's
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minds? Are you going to talk about how
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it's destroying the environment? I said, yes, let's, let's, let's
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talk about it actually. So I, I think you'll appreciate
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that there is a lot of nuance here, right?
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All these, these data centers, which are gigantic, how they are
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going to impact your life, how AI is truly going to impact our
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life. And even with that being said,
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to still find a way to use it as a tool to still find a way to
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use it to benefit your life. After all, so much money was was
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poured into this. If there is a way to get some
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benefit out of it, we should know how.
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So you can find this webinar on learn.abovephone.com.
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It's free. All I ask for is your e-mail and
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you could watch all these clips. So definitely do that and maybe
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that'll get you prepared to get the same awesome workstation
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that jeremyisusing@abovephone.com/germ.
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Well, I'm not using it. I'm not using it right now
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because the battery's flat. Maybe, maybe if you yeah, go
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ahead. No, I was going to say, so I'm
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looking at your icons on your screen there and I that is your,
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that is your sort of visual design also.
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Yes, we can't take all of the credit the so the themes are so
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this is a really cool thing about the software we we've
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chosen for above book this this is based on Arch Linux and the
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reason why Arch Linux is is cool is because it has something
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called the Arch user repository, which is a single place that
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anyone can package software for other people to use so.
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It's like it's like the App Store.
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It's like the App Store, but instead of Apple or Google
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trying to nickel and dime everyone to use it and having
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control and everything, it's just regular, every regular
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nerds publishing software for the people.
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So it's like if you if you look up software on here, you're
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going to find it like, so you might think that on Linux, I
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can't use Spotify even, you know, even though that they
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protect Israel's crimes and, you know, censor activists on their
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platform. But you could if you really
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wanted to. You might think that I couldn't
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get Microsoft Teams. Oh hold on, you can't get
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Microsoft Teams. You just have to know what to
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search. Portal for Teams, here we go.
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Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux.
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So a lot of people port software so that it can be used on Linux,
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and Arch Linux is the easiest way to actually use it.
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You say Arch Linux, but I mean Arch Any.
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If anybody knows anything about about Linux, Arch is one of the
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more complicated, what do you call it?
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Distros. Yeah, it isn't.
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It isn't. It is if you, it's just so
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different than other distributions.
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So it's like usually when you start your Linux journey, you'll
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start with a Ubuntu or something Debian based, which is uses a
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long term release model. And what that basically means is
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the the core packages on the system, they only get updated
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once every few years. And it's a it's a massive
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change. So when it's time for that new
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long term update, you actually go through this process of
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migrating everything and updating to the next version of
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the OS. That's kind of scary for people.
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Arch Linux is different it seems.
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It seems more complex at first, but really it's a rolling
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release sistro. So all the software on the
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computer gets updated at one time.
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That includes the apps too. So the beauty of using Arch
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Linux and our our version of Arch Linux called above OS is
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that every single one of the programs on the computer is
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constantly getting updated. It's getting better.
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If you want to update, you can also choose not to update.
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But this means things gets fixed, things you're getting new
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features all the time and things just get work.
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Things work. So it's it's a really great
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experience. And it's fast.
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It is fast, man. Yeah, I mean, and so you're,
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you're a Mac world. What, what would you say kind of
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the responsiveness feels like a Mac versus this, this, you know,
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to it's a very nice highly equipped Linux device, but what
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would you say, how would you compare it?
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No, it certainly seems on par speed wise.
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It look, it takes getting used to because the, you know, the
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way in which you operate is different, but I think the
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principles are the same. And you know, you know that
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there's no spyware, nothing can tap into the machine, and
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there's a lot of security. There's so yeah, one of the
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first things you have to do when you get your computer is, is you
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actually change your encryption password on your computer.
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And and I know there's a lot of smart people following Jeremy.
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So I know a lot of you guys know about full disk encryption.
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So I'm saying this for the people who don't know about it,
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but if you don't have full disk encryption on your computer, if
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someone gets their hands on your computer, they can literally
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pull everything off it. They can literally log into your
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account. It's it's actually not that hard
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to do so at at the very least your computer needs full disk
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encryption. And so when you get the above
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book, the first thing you do is you change your full disk
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encryption password so it is secured from other people and
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hands on stuff. There's another thing I wanted
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to mention. There's a lot of really small
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beautiful things. My team showed me this one the
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other day. Check the set room.
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So I'm trying to tell you the temperature in the United
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States. I can literally say, what is it
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today? It's like pretty cold.
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It's 40 in Celsius Celsius. Yes, because you Americans use
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the imperial system. This is so funny.
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It's a brand new feature. It's a brand new feature.
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So. So I'm going to have to update
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this demo laptop that I didn't, that I haven't updated for quite
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some time. Yeah.
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Americans, we use Imperial. It makes sense to our brains.
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It's the foot. We actually measure feet.
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I would put my feet on camera to show you feet are roughly the
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same size as foot. I'm just kidding.
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They're not. I don't know why we do that.
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It would make sense if there was consistency.
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So in the metric system, if something is 0°, it's freezing
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cold and anything below 0 would be below freezing.
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But what is freezing in Fahrenheit?
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It's 30 degrees 00. Hey, it's not that.
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It's not that bad. Wait, wait, wait.
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What is boiling? What is the?
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What is? What is inside in?
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In metric it is 100°. I know that's so simple.
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It's so simple. It's at 212° and.
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Well, why wouldn't it be? Look, I don't have to worry
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about that if I'm using my kettle.
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I just crank that baby all the way up, you know, all the way
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until and and, you know, I think that's bit of American
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mentality. We just crank it all the way up.
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I mean. Look to be fair though in the
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inches. Inches is a weird one.
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I think the only time inches really makes sense is is when
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you're, you know, talking about the size of your junk.
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Then you don't want centimeters or millimeters.
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Exactly. I think, I think the whole world
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should adopt inches. Me personally, inches and feet
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to talk about our heights. There's no more.
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Let's not do this, all right? Yeah.
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My, my homie is 180 centimeters. You're making your homies sound
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small centimeters. Or you can use decimeters.
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Like honestly. So, Hakeem, one of the
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advantages of using Linux is so I know that you said Linux, but
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I can't wrap that around saying Linux.
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I just said Linux because it's, it's, it rolls off the tongue a
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little bit easier. One of the advantages is that it
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has become simpler over the years.
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I mean, it was a horrible, horrible experience 10 years
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ago. I remember using Ubuntu around
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2012 and, and it was, there's a lot of marketing around it, you
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know, in the, in the geek community, but it was still very
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broken. It required a lot of tinkering
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and and it just for me became frustrating at the time.
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Yeah, I I was just quickly looking up.
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Linus would be probably closer to the correct pronunciation
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because the Linus Tory Waltz, who created Linux, was named
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after a cartoon character in Peanuts.
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So, you know, Charlie Brown was named after a character.
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So just wanted to say that. And you're right, Linux has been
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traditionally a lot harder to use.
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But things started changing around 10 years ago where
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developers started to hit their stride.
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There's all these, you know, technology was evolving so fast
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and I think we reached a level of stability where a lot of
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developers at the time decided to put their time into to Linux
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as a passion project. So you had all these amazing
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desktop environments, which actually this is, this is what
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you're seeing. An above book is all the stuff
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that won me over to Linux. For instance, things like
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virtual desktops they had over 12 years ago.
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Microsoft added this in the like the in the past two years.
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It's crazy how far behind Microsoft was because the open
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source community, they're just far more creative.
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They're just, they're, they're more creative.
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There's more features. Their focus is on use, putting
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developing things they'd actually use instead of spyware
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and things for corporations and things that can remotely manage
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your computer. So that's a night and day
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difference and you feel it. And because it is just focused
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on creativity and nice features, there's less bloat.
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So if if you have a older computer at home, it might be
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something to try. It's kind of looking like it's
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on its last legs. You might try installing Linux
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on it and you'll see it'll it'll come into a new form.
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I have a article on our educational initiative, Take
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Back Our Tech. If you look at the operating
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system section, Installing the Linux from Scratch to Save the
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World, which is actually Linux from Scratch is actually a
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distribution. And people, people who know it
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hate me for for titling this tutorial this way.
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They're like, it's not Linux from scratch.
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Well, it is Linux from scratch. So you can go through and and
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install. It just walks you through the
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process. All you need is the USB drive
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and you can install Linux. On any of your computers.
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Why would I use Linux? Well, there's, you know, there's
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push and pull factors. One of the things is Windows
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Update, I'm sure. I think everyone that has at
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least one story where they were working on something important
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and Windows just started updating on its own.
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You know, especially in the last few years where you don't even
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have a choice anymore. And it's like update now or
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update in four hours and you're, you're kind of hostage.
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So, yeah, this, this computer doesn't stop randomly, right?
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It's, it's doing what you tell, tell it to.
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There's no agenda that is following.
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You're in control. You're you are in control.
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Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
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And so you're in control and that's the security.
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You know, there's a big security measure in there.
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It's not just privacy. It's also security.
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Because if Microsoft wanted to roll out a new update where
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they're watching you at all times, they do it.
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There's nothing you can do about it, right?
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So your computer computing experience can change
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dramatically. And it has, you know, Cortana,
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Copilot, all of these things came as a result of forced
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updates. So it just cuts you off from a
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dark future ahead for computing. Yeah.
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And you and I have spoken about the dark future head, I mean
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digital ID surveillance and and the other thing is the
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subscription model, I mean that doesn't really exist in Linux,
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does it? Yeah, absolutely.
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Where you have own, go ahead, you own your software.
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You own your software and in many cases on Arch Linux, you're
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actually building your software from scratch.
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You're building your software. So so just to explain what that
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means, you know, most of the time you download yeah, so so
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you build your own software as well on above book, which
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basically means you take it from its raw code and perform the
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steps necessary to get it to become a usable program on
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different operating systems like Microsoft and or Apple.
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You're buying pre built packages.
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So you have no idea what those programs actually do.
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They're pre built, someone built it for you.
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And and so it's just shift from absolving all of your
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responsibility to Microsoft or Apple, who then charge you for
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the privilege of buying software like 5 bucks or maybe 5 bucks a
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year. And they're slowly trying to
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push you in this direction where you owe nothing and you'll be
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happy. And the the RAM shortages we're
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experiencing right now perfectly plays into that.
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Powerful computers are about to, they are going up into price.
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They already have already. What does that mean?
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We're all going to be using things on the cloud.
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So people who have built gaming computers in the past, this was
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one of my pastimes when I was a teenager.
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They might not be able to do that again.
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They might have to sign into a Microsoft gaming account to play
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video games. And all of that processing
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happens on a cloud data center, not on their computer.
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They don't own. They don't even own the right to
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game anymore. It's very, very sad.
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But cloud computing is not necessarily bad either.
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I mean I don't want to have my laptop stolen or my phone stolen
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and lose all my data. Yeah.
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Well, so yeah, it's, it's it's, it's interesting is if you can
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trust your cloud provider, it thinks you know.
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Would you create your own cloud though?
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You can create your own cloud. You can, you can, you can create
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your own cloud and that's, and that's the safest way, right?
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Because it's in this day and age, there's always going to be
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data compromises and even the biggest companies have these.
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So if you're, if you're hosting something important like a
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password vault, you just have to know that.
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All right, if I'm saving this to the cloud, there it is.
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I hope nothing happens to that company on on above book.
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There are ways to do everything local first.
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So we have a password manager built in which integrates with
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the web browser. It's really easy to use and that
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is saved on a file on your computer.
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Now you can use different pieces of software like there's this
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one called sync thing to sync it between your phone and your
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computer and you can do that on your own.
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And this requires no third party.
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So as as these institutions begin to fail more, I think I
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think people will step into the self responsibility of of their
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tech. And that's really what we want
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to champion. We've been focusing on laptops,
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but I mean phones actually are used more than laptops.
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They are. Are you also on an iPhone,
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Jeremy? I am.
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Has there anything been that's been like weird to you over the
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past few years that kind of like rubbed you the wrong way or
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interfere with your life at all? Or mainly shell.
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I don't like, I don't know if this has to do with the iPhone
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per SE, but I don't like the fact that you get ads popping up
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depending on where you go on the Internet and somehow they're
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connected to a conversation that you had.
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So you're noticing that you're noticing that it's listening to
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you. Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, that's, that's one of the the worst things about
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phones is that, you know, could, because these things are so
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close to us. There's these massive
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advertising networks and they're tracking you on your phone.
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They're tracking the conversations.
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You know, we, we get to hear from our customers and, and most
26:15
of our customers who switched to above Phone were sick of this.
26:19
They're sick of getting the really personalized ads and so
26:23
on. Above phone, which is our
26:25
privacy phone project, there are no ads.
26:29
There's literally no ads the because it's not running Google
26:34
Services, which is the entity responsible for serving ads on
26:38
Android phones. There's just no ads.
26:40
If you go on a website, you may see ads if the website has put
26:44
it there, but there's no phone wide advertising system.
26:48
And boy, that is such a lift to your stability of mind.
26:52
It gives you Peace of Mind and I think every device should be
26:55
like that, right? Ads should never be forced on
26:57
people. But you can also remove those a.
27:01
100 percent, 100% you can and we, yeah and and there's you can
27:08
use browser extensions and and so on above book you'll see it
27:11
is doing that, which is really nice on our on our VPN, we offer
27:18
AVPN as as well. It's through our suite of
27:21
privacy services. If you use that VPN, we're
27:24
blocking 10s of thousands of different advertising and
27:28
tracking websites as well. So, so there's multiple layers
27:32
of protection. That's the theme you'll find on
27:34
all of our products. There's multiple layers that are
27:37
protecting you. How easy is the above suite?
27:42
How easy is the above suite? Well, on our devices it's it's
27:46
quite easy and you know, things have been integrated nicely so
27:52
they they fit in seamlessly. I'd say, I'd say it's quite easy
27:58
and there is documentation for pretty much everything.
28:02
You can get a little hint as to how it all works if you go to
28:06
kb.above.in and and there's a lot of different services.
28:12
This is kind of was our, was our SAS offering as you might call
28:18
it. It's a cloud offering.
28:19
All of these services run in the cloud, but the kind of the
28:23
difference is, is it's only cloud for the things that
28:26
actually need cloud messaging. You, you want to have some sort
28:31
of service out there running it for you because when your phone
28:35
or computer is online, it needs to save them and, and deliver
28:37
the messages to you. And the beautiful thing about
28:40
our messaging system is that it is end to end encrypted.
28:43
And so even when these messages are sitting in the messaging
28:46
server, we can't read them. So end 10 encryption is a really
28:51
great feature on our messaging. We also have the video
28:54
conferencing just also end 10 encrypted.
28:57
It's using the software Gypsy. Some of your viewers might know
29:01
about it. And there's all these different
29:03
features, I think services 9 and 9 in total that people can use
29:08
to replace the reliance on big tech communications.
29:11
One of my favorite things is giving the above book to
29:17
children. Why?
29:19
Because they completely customize it and they they make
29:22
their own operating system on it.
29:24
One of our team members, she has an above book and she got an
29:29
above book for her kids and it doesn't resemble the original
29:33
above book anymore because everything is customizable.
29:36
Like, let me just show you. So this thing, you know, these,
29:41
this, this taskbar, you can change every single part of
29:44
this, whatever icons are showing up down here, even even the
29:48
themes like the colors of the windows, like for instance, if
29:52
you wanted to, I, I left some little Easter eggs here, but
29:55
when you shake the windows, you might notice they're a little
29:58
bit jiggly. You can modify how jiggly the
30:01
windows are. That's, that's, that is the
30:04
level of customization. So, and Andrew, so I, I, I
30:07
updated the computer and so check this out.
30:09
So I want to say it's cold as heck today here in the United
30:13
States in Celsius. No.
30:17
OK, check out. So 50 Celsius, where is it?
30:23
No, it's converting it. It's converting it to, did I say
30:27
50 Fahrenheit? Oh, OK. 50F.
30:31
OK. So if I type in 50F, it
30:33
automatically converts it to 10°C.
30:36
So that's cold. It's pretty cold, right?
30:42
How big is South Africa? South Africa, I mean, that's
30:46
hard to answer. I think it's the 24th or 25th
30:51
largest country geographically in the world.
30:56
So I think a whole bunch of European countries can probably
31:00
fit into South Africa, but we're not as, I mean, maybe we're the
31:05
size of Texas. I mean the US is huge.
31:09
You're probably much bigger. Well, yeah, it's arguable.
31:12
But yeah, it's like the I learned a few months ago, Africa
31:16
is like ridiculously huge. I mean, it's like it's not
31:20
portrayed accurately on the map. It's like bigger.
31:25
Africa is very huge. If you want to fly across the
31:29
continent from where I am, which is at the bottom and you want to
31:33
fly to the top to say I don't know Dubai, that flight is 9
31:38
hours. Wow.
31:43
Yeah, no, it's not far at all. Yeah.
31:48
I hate, I hate long flights, so I I I feel bad.
31:53
But hey, at least there's a lot of different biomes in Africa.
31:57
Hey, you know, I was in Hawaii recently.
31:59
This was interesting. One of the Queens of Hawaii, she
32:04
treated her one of her islands, Kauai, as a garden for the
32:08
world. And so when she would have
32:10
diplomats visit or people from different countries, she said,
32:13
bring your seeds and plant them into the ground.
32:15
And so you have these African trees like everywhere on this
32:20
island and in Hawaii. They're like, they look like
32:23
they're from the Serengeti. I don't know, you probably know
32:25
the name for them, but they're kind of like they're flat or how
32:30
do I describe them? They're flat and they're kind of
32:32
sparse, kind of geometric, more more boxy than trees normally
32:38
are. They have like layers to them.
32:41
But anyways, you see like this amalgamation of trees from
32:45
everywhere. I thought that was really cool.
32:47
Now, yes, and you mentioned Africa, yes, an interesting
32:50
thought. Linux devices actually make a
32:53
lot of sense. On the African continent, where
32:55
there is a lot of poverty, costs can be quite a lot lower and
32:58
then therefore the the barrier to entry is much lower.
33:04
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And naturally developing
33:10
countries are using Linux. Like when you look at the
33:15
numbers of people using Linux and Linux is market share, it's
33:18
the biggest. And in fact, in some countries
33:21
there's been like this, the snowball effect you have
33:26
countries like that are jumping to 40% Linux usage and which is
33:32
really wild to think about. You also it's, it's also just
33:35
spreading now from from developing countries where cost
33:38
was a factor to gaining independence from the American
33:45
big tech oligopoly. You know, I'm, I'm, it's, I
33:48
think it's, it's not Denmark, it's Germany is shifting their
33:52
entire IT stack away from Microsoft.
33:56
There's a few other European countries doing that as well.
33:59
And they're shifting to things like Next cloud, for example, or
34:04
LibreOffice. So big moves are are being made
34:08
right now and in computing and hopefully we'll we'll equalize
34:11
the playing field. People who are locked into the
34:14
Apple ecosystems or the Microsoft ecosystems find it
34:19
very difficult to break out, and if your starting point is
34:22
something decentralized and open source like Linux, then your
34:27
journey ahead is a lot easier. Yeah, sure.
34:31
Make a really good point. It's like to do it in a easy,
34:35
stressful way when there's not a lot of pressure on you, you know
34:39
there's not a deadline or you're still figuring out how it is the
34:45
way you work. Switching to Linux at that point
34:47
of time is is much, much better than spending years on a
34:51
platform that is corralling you into its walled garden and
34:56
getting you dependent, getting you dependent on how it works.
35:00
Unfortunately, that's what happens mostly.
35:03
Microsoft's pretty bad but, but for, for people who work in
35:07
enterprise OR corporations, but it's really Apple that get
35:11
people bought in to their ecosystem and make it very hard
35:15
to leave. And, and so for things like
35:17
FaceTime and iMessage and AirDrop and all of these cool
35:22
things, you know, I can't deny that they're cool, but the
35:26
problem is, is that they're only Apple things.
35:30
And once you're not paying into Apple's game, you don't get to
35:34
use them. So getting independence from
35:38
that early on and having a parallel tracked for how you do
35:43
things. And, and again, there are
35:44
alternatives to everything I mentioned.
35:46
It's easy to share files between your phone and computer.
35:51
And there's even tools coming out for the phones to that'll
35:55
make it easy to share, share files with strangers too.
35:58
But the, The thing is, is we need a network effect of enough
36:02
people using this technology to, to have its impact.
36:06
Because if there is some sort of game changing app or, or game
36:10
changing information that comes out, big tech phones are not
36:13
going to allow you to share that.
36:14
They're going to censor it right away.
36:16
This is just like in in China. When people, do you remember
36:21
this story where they were using AirDrop as a, as a form of
36:25
activism? What was the story?
36:30
They were they were using AirDrop.
36:33
Oh man, so there was, I'm trying to remember what they were
36:38
rallying about. I think it was a bank run
36:43
protesters. Oh yeah.
36:47
And and you know, this is if this was the zero COVID
36:51
restrictions, so the really bad COVID restrictions of the CCP,
36:58
they were, they were being censored on social media.
37:02
So they were starting to use iPhones AirDrop to send each
37:06
other documents. Like they would sit on the train
37:08
and one person would send a document to everyone there.
37:11
They'd get a notification. And then Apple quietly added
37:15
restrictions showing that, you know, preventing Chinese people
37:19
from using it and preventing just an easy file sharing.
37:25
So this is what happens, you know, when you try to use tech
37:29
to resist or to even share knowledge or try to help others,
37:35
they can just cancel your ability to do that.
37:38
So see. Yeah, before Apple's update,
37:44
Chinese activists could use AirDrop allows users to so many
37:48
anonymously send files directly using their Bluetooth, as long
37:52
as recipients have their devices set to be discoverable.
37:55
Before, Chinese activists could use AirDrop to disseminate
37:59
information to strangers without revealing their own personal
38:01
details. Now only they won't be able to.
38:05
You will actually have to set your discoverability to everyone
38:10
for 10 minutes before they switch back to contacts only.
38:13
Now if Apple had left this feature on, it would be it would
38:17
be kind of an instrument for social change.
38:20
You know, it's to sharing of information.
38:22
It's a good thing. It goes back into like saying
38:24
clouds, not necessarily a bad thing.
38:26
AirDrop is not necessarily a bad thing.
38:29
But when big tech gets its tentacles and everything, even
38:34
when it starts to work out well for people, it can, it can just
38:37
be shut off. And that is, that is the danger
38:39
of using these centralized abuse of big tech systems.
38:43
That's why we've got to figure out open source solutions.
38:45
That's a ramble there, sorry. The great thing with Linux is
38:48
that it is truly decentralized. Yeah, like we were saying
38:54
earlier, you know, it it has, it has a greater capacity to be
38:59
decentralized. It it is decentralized in the
39:02
sense that there's no one single body developing the core
39:06
software. It's not just Microsoft
39:08
Corporation that does Windows, it's it's several competing
39:13
organizations with their own flavor of Linux, all using the
39:18
Linux kernel, which is the lower levels of the computer that
39:22
supports the the various hardware and drivers of of the
39:26
computers you might use. So yeah, it's, it's a community
39:29
based decentralized model that is kicking ass.
39:34
I mean, where where is where is does does Windows have an
39:39
automatic way to convert? What?
39:43
What do you want to convert, bro?
39:44
I want to convert 5. Nine.
39:47
Yeah, bro, I'm, I'm, I'm five. I'm 5 feet tall actually.
39:50
And I'm, I'm, I actually know that's 1.524 meters.
39:54
Look at that. Those of you just kidding, I'm
39:59
messing with you. No, I'm not actually 5 feet.
40:02
I almost thought you are but. Now would that be sad?
40:07
That would be sad. I'm not actually 5 feet.
40:09
Let's see, I'll put in my. I feel uncomfortable putting my
40:13
real height in. What's my?
40:14
I'll say I'm 511. I'm one point.
40:17
See, This is why. This is why metric is inferior.
40:20
You really want me to say I'm one point 8.03 or 4 meters?
40:27
When you're talking about digital ID and pushing back
40:30
against surveillance and basically all the Agenda 2030
40:36
tentacles that are finding the way into our personal lives,
40:43
then you, you kind of want to go down this road, don't you?
40:49
Yeah, absolutely. There's we all.
40:52
We all have a very difficult choice to make.
40:56
And this is a choice that is mirrored in every facet of life,
41:01
whether it comes to your food, whether it comes to your
41:04
children's education. And that is inconvenience versus
41:09
freedom, inconvenience versus freedom.
41:13
And honestly, the tech, the tech space is the easiest choice you
41:17
have to make because all you have to do is move around and
41:20
click stuff, tap stuff on your phone.
41:22
And it's not, it's not hard work.
41:24
But the choice comes down to, are you going to play by your
41:29
own rules and maybe jump through a few hoops because you have
41:33
privacy, or are you going to be completely bought in to the
41:38
system and let it track every single aspect of your life?
41:43
I don't think people realize there is no limit to the
41:47
surveillance we thought they might be satisfied at just for
41:51
listening to our microphones on a 24/7 repeat loop and showing
41:57
us personalized ads. No, it's going to go farther
42:00
than that. People are now talking about
42:03
this even though it's a four year old patent, but they have
42:06
patents for the Airpods, the little Bluetooth earbuds that
42:10
people use on iPhone that can literally listen to your blame
42:14
brain waves using electrocephalogram sensors.
42:19
And so just giving you a hint, this is not going to stop.
42:22
They would like to read your brain waves.
42:24
There. There are Meta and another
42:28
company is actually working on tech that will take your brain
42:32
waves and convert it into sentences.
42:35
They've they've already started that work.
42:37
And so anytime you support one of these companies, you're
42:41
investing into that future with your time and your attention.
42:45
There's also the opportunity cost of not contributing your
42:49
time and attention to free and open source software.
42:53
And so this is a very important decision that needs to be made.
42:57
Do you? Think that there is a sense of
43:02
overt paranoia creeping in also. Or for for the public at large,
43:08
or for for my sphere or. Well, let me say it like this.
43:16
There are so many millions of people who are being tracked and
43:20
traced that you're not that important in in many ways.
43:26
They don't know actually that you exist.
43:29
Your information is just some long information string.
43:35
Yeah, so, so I, I I like the direction you're going.
43:38
It's like the counter argument is like, well, I'm using, I'm
43:45
using the big tech phone. Do they, are they really looking
43:49
at everything I'm doing on my phone?
43:51
Are they really looking? No, no, people aren't looking.
43:54
Probably not, but AI is looking and and inferencing your
44:00
behavior and your reaction into a group, into larger groups,
44:05
sets of millions and millions of people to do do world
44:11
simulation. What is the world's reaction?
44:14
For example, when Trump postures like he's going to annex
44:20
Greenland, What's the public response to that?
44:24
And people unwittingly don't realize they're in this, they're
44:27
in the system and it's a two way St.
44:30
It's not only that they're monitoring the global emotional
44:35
reaction of people through their devices, but it's also
44:39
controlling your emotions through through what you see on
44:43
your phone. And I think that's the more
44:44
insidious part of it is, is stealing your attention and life
44:48
force from what is presented on your phone.
44:51
And so I'd say that that's, that's even, that's a bigger
44:54
danger than the privacy in, in my opinion.
44:58
So by the time you go to abovephone.com/germ, which I'll
45:02
put up right here, you Scroll down to the laptop section, you
45:08
will see the quantum here. Now the quantum is our nice
45:14
nicest locally enabled. It's what germ has got and and
45:19
it's it's, it's a beast, right? It's it's, it's bigger, it's 15
45:23
inches. And then our older laptops here
45:26
they they run the same software. They do run the same software,
45:31
but they're that's just less powerful.
45:33
And I'll let you read into the specs, but you can you can get
45:36
an older laptop, but if you want the laptop germ has, then look
45:39
for the quantum. You can also get phones from
45:43
this page as well. And what's really cool too is
45:47
the 9 Pro XL. Anything that has 9 should be
45:51
able to run the same local AI, which is which is nuts.
45:56
But let's say you don't want to run local AI.
45:59
But let's say you don't want to run local AI.
46:00
You've still got very good devices and they are not being
46:05
tracked and traced. Yeah, exactly.
46:09
You're spot on. It's like you're, you have the
46:12
security of this operating system which is protecting you
46:18
at low levels by cleaning out data every time it doesn't need
46:22
to use it inside your apps and and protecting you in this way.
46:25
And you can still have a very an excellent experience on these
46:30
these newer devices and the older devices.
46:35
Wow, that was that. I know it cut me off.
46:40
And you can still have these experiences on these newer
46:44
devices and the older devices. So, you know, you could be on an
46:48
encrypted call while navigating using your offline map.
46:53
You know, you could be downloading YouTube videos
46:56
directly from YouTube privately. So they're on your phone and you
46:59
have them forever. There's a lot of cool things you
47:01
can do. OK.
47:03
So then, that's the Segway. So can the lay the layman do
47:09
pretty much everything? Yeah, it's, it's, it's like 95%
47:14
of things you can do. And for the other 5%, there's
47:17
workarounds, right? Just to give people, yeah, give
47:21
people visibility into things they may not be able to do.
47:25
If they have a very, very big bank and they want to use the
47:28
app on their phones, it's possible that the bank will want
47:33
to, they'll want to enforce that you have a Google licensed
47:37
operating system because they want to be able to.
47:39
It's for security, right? It's actually not for security.
47:42
It's just for supporting the oligopoly.
47:45
For those people, they may have to use a web browser to access
47:49
their bank. And there's also a lot of banks
47:52
that are supported by this. So there, there are tiny things
47:54
like that. There's the, if you use big tech
47:59
features like iMessage, that's not a thing on this phone,
48:03
right? So you'll be using alternatives
48:06
and we'll point you to everything that you need to
48:08
know. Also, if you buy any device from
48:11
us, a phone or a laptop, you get a free call with a real live
48:16
person like myself. We have an amazing support team
48:21
of support engineers and we'll sit with you for an hour and
48:24
help you migrate and help you make these decisions.
48:26
What am I going to do for this app?
48:28
We'll help you migrate over so you can use your phone.
48:31
Where people might have a few hiccups is with their banking
48:35
apps. I think that's a very, very good
48:37
point. Yeah, And you know, I don't want
48:41
to mislead anyone into the experience, but this is just,
48:45
it's not, it's not anyone's on on the the Google site.
48:50
It's not the fault of the operating systems developers or
48:53
any of these open source developers that are trying to
48:55
make you more secure and private.
48:57
It is literally Google trying to enforce seeing that this
49:00
technology is getting popular. They're seeing this technology
49:04
is getting popular and trying to quash it.
49:06
They're trying to quash it. In fact, this is very big news,
49:09
but they're so scared about open source apps that people are
49:14
using and and that there are going to prevent you from
49:19
installing open source apps in 2027 on official Google devices.
49:24
So these are these are phones that have partnerships with
49:28
Google. We're talking Samsung, we're
49:29
talking Xiaomi, OnePlus, anyone who has a license deal with
49:34
Google. They were they were prepared to
49:37
prevent you to from installing apps outside of the Google Play
49:41
Store. They were ready to do that by
49:43
2027. Now they've walked back a little
49:46
bit, but just to tell you that they were going to lock down
49:50
this ecosystem. So with above phone, you're not
49:53
you're not impacted by that at all.
49:55
You can install apps from anywhere on the Google Play
49:57
Store, off Google Play Store. It's pretty great.
50:01
Yeah, you have to have your pros and cons.
50:04
Like which hill do you want to die on?
50:06
Something like maps? There's a big one.
50:07
Also maps. Yeah, we're, we're pretty happy
50:10
with our our mapping solution. So it actually it's 2 apps, it's
50:17
not just one. So we're using an app called Co
50:21
Maps and it's a really beautiful mapping app.
50:25
So it does turn by turn navigation.
50:28
You can save points on the map. And then and the most important
50:32
part about it, as you can download maps of your country or
50:36
the entire world, and once you've downloaded them, you can
50:38
navigate offline, right? You can put your phone on
50:41
airplane mode and travel around simply because it can do the
50:45
routing on the map locally. You don't need an Internet
50:48
connection. So we combine that with a web
50:51
wrapper of Google Maps because Google still has a monopoly on
50:56
points of interest. So you use this private
51:00
web-based wrapper that doesn't save any cookies or save any
51:04
information to Google. You get the address, you share
51:07
that with Co maps, and then you can get to where you're going
51:11
and it's great. And then over time, you start to
51:13
build your own, your own library of places in your hometown and
51:18
you can like organize them by food or whatever, and you start
51:23
to learn the town. That's, that's kind of the
51:24
beautiful part about this phone. It sets you up to use your own
51:30
authority and your mental faculties.
51:32
You you kind of think about it and you learn better instead of
51:34
just trusting Google. So the browser that that comes
51:39
with the laptop and the phone that that comes from from from
51:45
you guys, what what browser is that?
51:47
Is it Chromium? His base.
51:50
It's based on chromium. It's called Vanadium and it's a
51:55
it's a highly secure browser. It's using lower level hardware
52:01
features. Actually that's it's, it's set
52:03
up to use hardware features like memory tagging extensions, which
52:09
is just a fancy way of of saying the phone is very strict on
52:15
which apps or which processes use what memory on the phone.
52:19
So it's a very secure browser and it's developed by the
52:23
Graphene OS developers. So it's the main browser on
52:26
above phone. It's Chrome based like you
52:29
mentioned there. You can also install Firefox
52:32
browsers if you want. You can also install other
52:35
Chrome based browsers like Brave if you want.
52:39
But this is also a little bit of a trap because the browser might
52:44
be great, but what search engine is the user going to use?
52:52
That's a great question. It depends on on what they would
52:56
like to use by default. What do?
52:58
You use. Well, I use our own search
53:01
engine. This is a meta search engine.
53:05
So what's really cool about this?
53:07
It's a search engine that searches other search engines.
53:11
So it's not just searching Google.
53:16
You can go into its engines and actually configure which search
53:20
engines. I've used that.
53:22
Yeah, I've used that. What's it called?
53:24
So it's called search X is the software.
53:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so we run a private instance
53:30
of search X that's just highly optimized.
53:33
And it's the there's no logs on on our search engine.
53:37
And so yeah, you can, you can do really cool things like turn the
53:41
engines on and off here. So, right, if I don't like the
53:45
results I'm getting from Google, I'll take Bing.
53:47
You know, Bing's are the worst. I'll take mojic and and pre
53:51
search, right. So you have control over that.
53:53
And there's really so much like check this out.
53:55
There's like there's Baidu search down here for I know Germ
54:01
would would maybe use one of these Chinese search engines.
54:08
Just kidding. So yeah, lots, lots of lots of
54:12
choice. I actually use Kogi KAGI and
54:18
I've been using it for about two years. corgi.com, I think it's
54:22
Japanese for liberty or freedom or something to that effect.
54:26
It is a premium search engines. You do have to create an
54:29
account, but do you have a favor?
54:31
Before you knee jerk, just look them up.
54:33
The guys behind it are very privacy orientated.
54:36
One of them, I think one or two of the guys comes from Brave
54:40
MIT. They are just driven by privacy.
54:44
They've got no idea what I'm searching apparently at least.
54:48
But their whole setup is is very driven by the community.
54:51
I strongly recommend them as a search engine also, And I mean I
54:57
I've customized my search results using using Cargi.
55:00
So I don't get anything from CNN or Fox for example at all.
55:04
Like nothing, I I've pushed Wikipedia results down to the
55:08
bottom for I can have them entirely removed.
55:13
But you can, you can rank your own search results and adjust
55:16
your your search. That's that's very, very cool.
55:19
Really cool. So you're telling me in your
55:21
searches you're like took the mainstream media outlets and
55:24
you're just like, all right, don't, don't bring them up
55:25
again. Genius.
55:27
That's genius, right? I mean, it's, it's really cool
55:29
because if you're a researcher and you're researching a very
55:34
controversial issue, you're going to have all this fact
55:38
checking come up. You could just literally block
55:42
all those fact checking domains and get to what you're searching
55:45
for. This is really cool.
55:47
I mean, you, you kind of turned me on to this.
55:50
And I don't think some of the features you mentioned are that
55:54
hard to build. So we might, we might be
55:57
inspired enough to, to bring some of these into our own
56:00
search engine. But that is really cool.
56:03
I like, I really love about those.
56:05
The reason why I brought it up is because so you've got your
56:08
privacy orientated devices, but the the trap is that you'll end
56:12
up using Google or some other big tech search engine and you
56:18
don't want to do that. Right, right.
56:21
It's this final layer of computing that you also have to
56:25
figure out. You're figuring out what you're
56:26
using on your computer, but also what are you connecting out to
56:29
the Internet to use. So service like Caggy is great.
56:33
And by the way, this important part of our technology, it is in
56:36
no way limiting anything you're doing.
56:38
You want to set Caggy as your defaults, your institution, by
56:41
all means do it. You can do it for Google.
56:43
You can use big tech stuff or alternate stuff if you want.
56:47
You have the complete freedom to, but it's your choice.
56:50
At the end of the day, you're not limited by any third party.
56:54
So super, super cool man. Thanks for sharing that.
56:57
OK, well let's come in for landing.
56:58
Hakim give me basically a summary of this discussion.
57:06
All right, so the imperial system is the best, hands down,
57:13
feet down. Just kidding.
57:20
Yeah. Jeremy.
57:20
Well, it's a pleasure to be on here with you.
57:23
And so today we talked about a lot and we talked about how
57:29
these AI data centers were actually hinting at how they're
57:33
about to change the face of computing to where in the
57:36
future, you won't even be able to buy a powerful laptop that
57:41
it'll just be set up to use cloud gaming services or cloud
57:45
AI services. You're going to rent your
57:48
compute power. And so one of the best things
57:51
you can do right now is to get yourself a reliable open source
57:55
computer like the above book. And if you want to go to
57:59
abovephone.com/germ, you can learn more about our computers
58:04
and that there is this new decentralized software movement
58:08
that is happening. And to, to it's very important
58:11
for you to start and to get technological literacy in this
58:14
area because it's going to come a point soon in the future where
58:18
your computer will be spying anyways just as much as your
58:21
phone is. I mean, it already is to degree,
58:23
but with things like digital ID could easily be integrated into
58:28
the computer. In fact, it already has some
58:31
countries that use digital ID. So to just be aware of this
58:36
ever, ever approaching surveillance grid and to carve
58:40
out your own piece of solace of, of, of quiet and where you can
58:45
do whatever you want and you won't be bothered by forced
58:48
updates. So if you want to learn more,
58:51
actually I think I think there are two places to start and that
58:56
would be both on learn.abovephone.com, you can
59:00
check out the Rise Above device and ecosystem overview.
59:04
And there's actually, so I talked about here, I give a
59:07
whole view. You just need to put in your
59:10
e-mail and you'll be able to see this and I'll give you an
59:15
overview of everything, the problems that these devices are
59:20
dealing with and actually what the experience is like on these
59:23
devices and answer a bunch of questions.
59:25
It's really great. So that's Rise Above the rise of
59:29
love webinar on learn.abovephone.com.
59:32
Then also check out Empowerment with Ethical Local and private
59:35
AI, which is how to use local AI on your devices and use it to
59:40
help you and also to understand the nuance of it.
59:43
So check those things out. And again, if you get a phone or
59:48
laptop from us, you're getting a free hour long call with a real
59:52
live person. They're there to help you 24
59:57
you're getting e-mail and chat support five days a week, 9 to
1:00:00
5. And this is this is our job.
1:00:03
This is our passion. This is what we're here to do.
1:00:06
Everyone in our company is, is part of the movement.
1:00:09
And this this is, I won't say a life or death mission to us, but
1:00:13
it's, it's very, very important. So we will if you are ready to
1:00:17
take the step, we're we're here from you.
1:00:19
I. Mean this is a great way to push
1:00:22
back against Technocracy. It is it.
1:00:24
Because they count on our own compliance, they count on us
1:00:29
picking out the two devices that are offered on the store.
1:00:32
They never expect us to go our own route.
1:00:34
And this is what the this age that we're about to step into to
1:00:38
get spiritual for a second. I do think there's a massive
1:00:41
shift that's about to happen where instead of going from this
1:00:45
oligopoly, where there's all this planning and coordination
1:00:48
and these big behemoths of companies and entities were
1:00:51
stepping into the age of, of self authority.
1:00:54
And so this could be a little step in your journey of self
1:00:58
authority. And another thing that comes
1:01:02
with. Your above book and well, your
1:01:05
above book is, let me remind you, an American plug.
1:01:11
Yeah, so. So thank you for that.
1:01:13
Let me make a note of this international adapter for
1:01:19
everyone except Germ. Because Germ already bought an
1:01:22
international adapter, we don't need to.
1:01:24
Give him one but. And is coming from China.
1:01:30
How funny is that? There should be a South.
1:01:34
African startup. There's a joke in there
1:01:37
somewhere. There's a joke in there
1:01:38
somewhere that. China is China is saving us.
1:01:47
All right, Hakim Anwar, thank you for joining me in the
1:01:51
trenches. Blessings.
1:01:53
Thanks Jeremy for having me.