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Sharri | 4 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Life sho.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, well first tonight to the Albanezy government's humiliating
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Speaker 2: back down in Parliament today.
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Speaker 3: It was sparked by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Allowing the most woke left wing government in the Western
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Speaker 2: world to dictate his foreign policy. Remember when Jacinta Ardourn
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Speaker 2: was applauded by the Canbra bubble for giving Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: a slapdown about his immigration policy.
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Speaker 4: This is corrosive to our relationship.
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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison, Cobbs and a dern Burn.
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Speaker 3: Do not deport your people and your problems. Once you've
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Speaker 3: done your time, we send you home.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: The coalition's policy was that if there's a criminal migrant,
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Speaker 2: say a murderer or a child rapist, and they're a
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Speaker 2: citizen of another country, well then they should be deported.
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Speaker 2: But desperate to appeal to drt a widely popular young female,
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Albanesi capitulated to her demand.
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Speaker 3: Absurdly.
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Speaker 2: He was proud of the fact he was weakening Australia's
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Speaker 2: immigration policy and our national.
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Speaker 3: Security approach to appease New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: The changes meant that thousands of criminals who held New
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Speaker 2: Zealand citizenship would now be able to stay in our
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Speaker 2: country instead of being deported. It was an announcement Albanizi
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Speaker 2: made to much fanfare when he became Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: A Minister Adurn has certainly not been backward in raising
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Speaker 6: these issues. I can assure you from our very first meeting.
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Speaker 6: Where you have a circumstance where someone has lived their
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Speaker 6: entire life effectively in Australia with no connection whatsoever to
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Speaker 6: New Zealand, then common sense should apply and we'll act
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Speaker 6: as friends and we'll work through those issues in a
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Speaker 6: common sense.
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Speaker 4: What we've been seeking is common sense and the spirit
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Speaker 4: of friendship, and that's what Prome Minus to Albinizi has
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Speaker 4: spoken to today.
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Speaker 2: An Immigration Minister Andrew Giles boasted to refugee advocates about
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Speaker 2: the changes that he said would appease New Zealanders in
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Speaker 2: this video obtained today by rhiannon Down at The Australian.
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Speaker 7: One of the big issues that we have built with
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Speaker 7: as a government is to have regard to the ministry
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Speaker 7: or direction that operates in respect of cancelized Region, and
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Speaker 7: have had close regard, particularly on the basis that discussions
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Speaker 7: with their friends in New Zealand about how this can
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Speaker 7: operate in a way that better reflects our obligation to
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Speaker 7: people who've spent the majority of their lives in Australia
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Speaker 7: as opposed to another country.
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Speaker 2: Well, when he said there, reflects our obligation he's speaking about,
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Speaker 2: reflects our obligation to criminals, to criminals who don't have
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Speaker 2: Australian citizenship and who should be deported. This from the
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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister, whose job is meant to be to protect
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Speaker 2: the safety of Australians. But this is what happens when
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Speaker 2: you appoint a refugee lawyer to the position of immigration minister.
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Speaker 2: Even the ABC has acknowledged that and I quote the
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Speaker 2: former refugee lawyer was never a natural fit for the
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Speaker 2: immigration portfolio. The fact Albanese won't sack him after the
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Speaker 2: litany of disasters that have seen Australians attacked by detainees
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Speaker 2: shows a deep problem with the Prime Minister himself. As
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Speaker 2: The Australian pointed out today, it's been zero days since
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Speaker 2: Giles's last blunder. Well, you'd want a Prime minister to
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Speaker 2: demand a high standard from his team, but what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing is Albanese's willingness to accept not even mediocrity, but
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Speaker 2: poor performance. He's made a judgment that so called stability
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Speaker 2: of his front bench is more important than competency, which
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Speaker 2: in this case means community safety. Albanizi is choosing the
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Speaker 2: political outcome that is best for himself and his political
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Speaker 2: advantage and not putting the community first.
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Speaker 3: And thus this ongoing.
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Speaker 2: Saga reflects equally poorly on Alberzi himself as it does
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Speaker 2: on his failure of an immigration minister. All right, well,
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Speaker 2: Former Treasurer Josh Fredenberg has said that he's not going
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Speaker 2: to run in Kouyong, his old seat.
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Speaker 3: But this idea that he shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Be allowed to run because a woman has put up
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Speaker 2: her hand is identity politics gone too far? Of course,
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Speaker 2: we need more women in politics, and not just politics
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Speaker 2: but public life. We need women at the top of
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Speaker 2: companies boards and in all leadership positions.
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Speaker 3: One thousand percent.
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Speaker 2: And personally it's controversial, but I actually support gender quotas
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Speaker 2: I think it does fast track change. But the idea
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Speaker 2: that any woman should be chosen over any man, irrespective
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Speaker 2: of his experience or merit or talent is nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Yet that has been the suggestion.
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Speaker 8: He can make it comeback if he wants. There's a
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Speaker 8: number of seats that are still open for pre selection
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Speaker 8: of Victoria, and he should absolutely consider going for one
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Speaker 8: of those. But demanding that pre selections reopen in seats
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Speaker 8: that have already closed, where we already have candidates in
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Speaker 8: the field is quite frankly ludicrous. Amelia Hamer is a
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Speaker 8: brilliant candidate.
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Speaker 9: I think that there might be some Josh Friedenberg fans
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Speaker 9: that's got a little bit of a rash of blood
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Speaker 9: to the head when they saw these boundary changes. But
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Speaker 9: you know, quite frankly, our focus as a party should
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Speaker 9: be on keeping Higgins.
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Speaker 2: Your editor and journalist Christopher Dare wrote a brilliant and
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Speaker 2: cutting piece in The Nightly, and in it he said,
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Speaker 2: the idea that Josh Fridenberg, a relatively young moderate deputy
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Speaker 2: leader and successful former federal treasurer, should somehow cede to
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Speaker 2: an inexperienced, hopeful, articulate and educated as she may be,
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Speaker 2: simply because she is a woman is ridiculous, he said.
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Speaker 2: To suggest moving aside the untested thirty one year old,
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Speaker 2: albeit with a great liberal name, to make way for Freedenburg,
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Speaker 2: would somehow be a liberal hate crime against women is absurd. Now,
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Speaker 2: one of Fredenberg's personality traits is that he's loath to
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Speaker 2: upset anyone.
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Speaker 3: He's a decent human being.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he wants to spend time with his family, and
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Speaker 2: he is making a great contribution to Australian life from
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Speaker 2: outside politics, as we saw with his documentary recently. But
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Speaker 2: also presumably he wouldn't like to be criticized for asking
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Speaker 2: a woman to step aside. But look at the bigger
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Speaker 2: picture here. Peter Darton has a massive uphill battle to
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Speaker 2: win the next election nineteen seats. He needs to form
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Speaker 2: majority government and he admits that this task would go
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Speaker 2: against the grain of history, even though.
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Speaker 10: The first term government hasn't lost since nineteen thirty one,
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Speaker 10: that the best outcome from a Labor Party perspective is
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Speaker 10: that they could form a minority government which would include
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Speaker 10: the Greens and the Tills and potentially, as you say,
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Speaker 10: Muslim independent candidates from Western Sydney or perhaps elsewhere in
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Speaker 10: Melbourne for example. The reality of that is that yes,
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Speaker 10: they would be compromised even further in terms of their stance,
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Speaker 10: and I think as we saw during the period of
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Speaker 10: the Gillard government, where there was formal compact with the Greens,
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Speaker 10: there was a drag to the left and I think
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Speaker 10: that is at odds with where most Australians are. At
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Speaker 10: Most Australians, regardless of their religion or their location in
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Speaker 10: the country, that they want a safe environment for themselves,
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Speaker 10: for their kids, They want to work hard provide for
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Speaker 10: their family. They want a good health system, a good
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Speaker 10: public transport, good transport system, and they want to buy
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Speaker 10: a good house and make sure that their kids and
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Speaker 10: grandkids can enjoy more than what they've been able to enjoy.
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Speaker 10: I don't think it gets much more complicated than that.
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Speaker 2: And that was Peter Dutton on Sunday night. Well Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott won fourteen seats in the landslide of twenty thirteen
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Speaker 2: after the Guillard Rudd era of leadership chaos. For Dutton
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Speaker 2: to wear nineteen seats is a massive ask for him
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Speaker 2: to even have a shot at wedding seats back not
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Speaker 2: only from labor but also the till he needs the
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Speaker 2: strongest possible candidate in every seat. Josh Fridenburg clearly has
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Speaker 2: the best chance of winning Coujong from the disastrous Monique Ryan.
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Speaker 2: The idea that Fridenburg wouldn't run or couldn't run simply
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Speaker 2: because it would be ungentlemanly to ask a woman to
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Speaker 2: step aside because of her gender, the idea that he
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Speaker 2: wouldn't run because of identity politics, Well, this reason is
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Speaker 2: clearly not in Australia's national interest now. Chris Daor in
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Speaker 2: The Nightly urged Josh Fridenburg to have courage in politics
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Speaker 2: because the path to the lodge is paved with the
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Speaker 2: remains of those who tried and failed, all those who
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Speaker 2: didn't try hard enough. Christopherdor writes, Josh Fridenberg needs to
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Speaker 2: look no further than the limp and lackluster leadership ambitions
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Speaker 2: of Peter Costello, a fellow Melbourne Liberal with a lofty
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Speaker 2: regard for his own talent, encumbered by destiny, incapacitated by
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Speaker 2: debilitating desire, and at least one major personality flaw.
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Speaker 3: He was gutless to.
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Speaker 2: The great amusement of John Howard. Costello never struck him down,
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Speaker 2: didn't even try. Howard waited for the day it never came.
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Speaker 2: Angry and entitled, Costello will never live that down, spooked
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Speaker 2: by his own hapless brand of Hubris.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: The comparison with Costello, though, does have its limits.
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Speaker 3: Costello is now chair.
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Speaker 2: Of nine, and I would note the judging by Costello's
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Speaker 2: leadership of nine during the sexual harassment crisis at the
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Speaker 2: network doesn't seem like Australia missed out.
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Speaker 3: And much by not having him as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 2: Also coming up on the show tonight, how Anthony Albanese's
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Speaker 2: agency tasked with increasing the housing supply has spent thirty
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Speaker 2: million dollars on executive and on consultants and executive salaries
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Speaker 2: without building a single home. Thirty million dollars and not
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Speaker 2: a single home built. This breaking news tonight. It's a
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Speaker 2: farce and Penniwog refuses to rule out recognizing a Palestinian
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Speaker 2: state even if Harmas still has a role governing Gaza.
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Speaker 2: This is surely a confusing position for a feminist, given
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Speaker 2: Hamas has raped girls, beheaded babies and slaughtered children in
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Speaker 2: cold blood. Petty Wog is quickly developing a reputation as
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Speaker 2: the worst foreign minister Australia has ever had. More on
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Speaker 2: that with my panel later, plus drugs, alcohol and holidays,
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Speaker 2: the ndis rots costing tax payers billions of dollars a year,
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Speaker 2: and in an almost comical opening statement, Anthony Fauci denies
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Speaker 2: trying to cover up the COVID publigue theory. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to that with my panel in a minute. I'm a
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House. Bronin Bishop our National MP Keith
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Speaker 2: Pitt joined me. Now, welcome to you both. Look, let's
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Speaker 2: start now with what I spoke about at the start
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Speaker 2: of the show. Immigration Minister Andrew Giles had to get
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Speaker 2: up at the start of Parliament today and say that
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Speaker 2: he's spoken to his New Zealand counterpart to tell him
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Speaker 2: that he'd make changes, changes that ALBERNIZI was so proud
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Speaker 2: of making in a press conference with Jacintha dern Keith,
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Speaker 2: What did you make of this admission in Parliament today?
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Speaker 12: How many more mistakes does this minister have to make? Firstly,
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Speaker 12: it wasn't the fault of the change of director of
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Speaker 12: ninety nine. Then it was the fault of direction ninety nine,
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Speaker 12: and then it was the fault of the department, and
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Speaker 12: then it was the failure of the dry and monitoring
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Speaker 12: that didn't exist. And now we find that it's exactly
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Speaker 12: what the opposition said. It looks like there was a
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Speaker 12: deal done with New Zealand because they demanded it and
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Speaker 12: the Australian government rolled over. Now, no matter what side
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Speaker 12: of politics you come from. There is one fundamental role
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Speaker 12: and that is to keep the nation and it's people safe,
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Speaker 12: and they have failed miserably. And I think mister Giles
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Speaker 12: his position is completely untenable.
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Speaker 2: I mean, bron went, you know the whole idea in
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Speaker 2: the first place. And this is part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: This was Anthony Alberesi's decision to change the immigration policy
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Speaker 2: to appease Jacinda r Dern, to keep more criminals in
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Speaker 2: the country even though they're not Australian citizens. I mean,
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Speaker 2: is it a surprise that incapitulating to the most woke
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Speaker 2: government that we've got in the western world, it was
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Speaker 2: going to end up like this.
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Speaker 11: Of course not.
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Speaker 13: But the problem for Albanesi is that is his problem.
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Speaker 13: He did it and he used a Jiles to implement it.
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Speaker 13: So if Giles goes, shouldn't Albanesi go also?
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Speaker 11: That's his problem.
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Speaker 13: But here here, and there's another problem in there, of course,
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Speaker 13: and Keith.
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Speaker 11: No doubt you started to see it or the Labor Party.
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Speaker 11: Indians are starting to get restless. They are feeling the
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Speaker 11: mess that they're in.
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Speaker 13: There's no leadership, there's no direction, they're not achieving anything.
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Speaker 13: For the nation, and as they look at the problems
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Speaker 13: that are engulfing the government, they're starting to look at
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Speaker 13: alternate leadership options. And who do you think leap the
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Speaker 13: story about a speech right for Bill Shorten? I mean
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Speaker 13: it's going to be an internal hatchet job because he
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Speaker 13: sees himself as being the leader that should have been
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Speaker 13: elected Prime minister. But there are a lot of others
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Speaker 13: in there who think they are too. So perhaps I
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Speaker 13: use an unfortunate analogy in saying using the term I
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Speaker 13: use to describe the backbench of the Labor Party, but
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Speaker 13: restless they are and concerned for their own seats, and
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Speaker 13: the redistribution won't be doing them all favors either.
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Speaker 2: Well, Bill Shotton is dealing with some controver your topics
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Speaker 2: at the moment. Of course, the speech writer three hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: A year for two years.
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Speaker 2: Also revelations at Senate Estimates last night that NDIS money
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Speaker 2: is being used to fund things.
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Speaker 3: Like drugs, alcohol and holidays.
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Speaker 2: Here's what NDIS Head of Fraud and Integrity, John Datto
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Speaker 2: said last night.
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Speaker 14: And then you have participants where they've not understood what
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Speaker 14: they can and can't agree to with a provider, so
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Speaker 14: they're accepting things that they shouldn't be. Examples, just in
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Speaker 14: the last week, a twenty thousand dollars holiday, at ten
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Speaker 14: thousand dollars holiday, we had a participant that bought a
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Speaker 14: car brand new seventy three thousand dollars. I have spoken
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Speaker 14: to very recently a participant to would meet the provider
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Speaker 14: at the ATM. The provider with withdraw cash and provide
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Speaker 14: that cash to the participant for her to source of
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Speaker 14: this at substances.
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are extraordinary revelations, Keith. We know that
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Speaker 2: there's a massive blowout of NDAs. I mean, it's on
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Speaker 2: track to be the largest component of the federal budget.
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Speaker 2: And yet then we hear revelations last night from the
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Speaker 2: head of the Integrity Unit that money.
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Speaker 3: Is being spent on holidays. What do you think about
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Speaker 3: this shary.
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Speaker 12: The trajectory for spending on indiis is just completely unsustainable.
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Speaker 12: I mean, if we even thought about it or spoke
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Speaker 12: about it briefly when we were in government, the Labor
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Speaker 12: Party just tore us apart. Now what we see here
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Speaker 12: is this money is being wasted on things which are
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Speaker 12: just not necessary. Secondly, they appear to me to be illegal.
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Speaker 12: And thirdly, guess who's missing out. It is those individuals
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Speaker 12: who have the most desperate and die need the ones
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Speaker 12: that need the support because this money is being wasted
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Speaker 12: on things like new cars for individuals that should be
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Speaker 12: fined another way to pay for them. And this is
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Speaker 12: Bill Shorten's issue. Not only has he got a really
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Speaker 12: expensive speech writer, it appears that inside the NDIS there's
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Speaker 12: some very expensive habits.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, most people would support an NDIS scheme,
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Speaker 2: but what we're seeing here is just a waste of
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funds.
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Speaker 11: Brinwin, Yes, it is.
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Speaker 13: Look, the problem is that Bill Shorten designed it, and
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Speaker 13: he has to fix it because what he left was
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Speaker 13: really badly designed. Look the sorts of problems that have
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Speaker 13: to be looked at seriously are You will hear people
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Speaker 13: who were not on before the NDIS existed were paying
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Speaker 13: save for particular service, say one hundred and twenty dollars
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Speaker 13: for that service. As soon as the NDIS came in,
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Speaker 13: they will paying two hundred and fifty dollars for the
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Speaker 13: same service.
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Speaker 11: And that's happened right across the board.
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Speaker 13: So there are a lot of people out there making
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Speaker 13: a lot of money out of the NDIS, and they
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Speaker 13: have to start to look at caps, they have to
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Speaker 13: start to look at redesigning it altogether. Now Bill shortened
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Speaker 13: it was his design. It's up to him to fix it.
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Speaker 13: But equally, I can say, I mean, I've worked all
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Speaker 13: my life helping in various charities. And I have a
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Speaker 13: particular friend who is very badly affected by cerebral palsy,
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Speaker 13: but she's got a great brain, and she said that
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Speaker 13: the NDIS has made dramatic change in her life, and
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Speaker 13: I can see it in her. She can speak now
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Speaker 13: more clearly. She has someone with her who's she's got
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Speaker 13: a lot more. It's a lot of good, but when
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Speaker 13: you hear the stories that we're hearing, it makes it
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Speaker 13: hard on those people. It's unfair for those people for
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Speaker 13: whom it was really to be desired. Plus, the states
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Speaker 13: have now it totally pulled out of delivering disability services
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Speaker 13: and said federal government, it's your problem.
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Speaker 2: So it's a lot a lot of work there and
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Speaker 2: to a very.
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Speaker 11: Expensive speech writer, it's not going to fix it.
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Speaker 3: No, that's true.
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Speaker 2: I mean the coalition says it works out to something
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Speaker 2: like twenty two thousand dollars speech.
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Speaker 3: You hope that they are good speeches.
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Speaker 2: Now, Chris Bowen has declared that the next federal election
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Speaker 2: will be a referendum on nuclear power. Well, it's going
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Speaker 2: to be a referendum on cost of living, I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you that. But nonetheless, Chris Bowen writes in The Australian
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Speaker 2: that pro nuclear facts are being asserted with confidence that
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Speaker 2: beaur little relationship to reality. Keith, this is your one
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Speaker 2: of your areas of expertise.
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Speaker 3: What's your response to Chris Bowen?
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Speaker 12: Well, you should find Chris Balen's piece in the OS.
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Speaker 12: I think from memory it was on the top right.
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Speaker 12: Ignore it and move to the bottom left. There's a
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Speaker 12: piece there from Jerdah Sloan and it is absolutely on
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Speaker 12: the money. It is a ridiculous proposition from labor. The
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Speaker 12: idea that we can run this country on intermittent supply
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Speaker 12: is just nonsense, and nuclear provides an option that works.
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Speaker 12: It works around the world, it's used in other places.
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Speaker 12: But Chris bon seems to have some sort of ideological
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Speaker 12: opposition unless it's in a submarine. So how is it
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Speaker 12: possible for labor to argue against nuclear on but for
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Speaker 12: nuclear in submarines, against nuclear everywhere else? Because apparently you'll
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Speaker 12: get three odd fish that you say on The Simpsons,
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Speaker 12: but not in a nuclear submarine which will get every
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Speaker 12: major port in the country. It's a ridiculous proposition, mister Bowd.
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Speaker 12: He should just wake up to himself, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is going to be an issue at the election,
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Speaker 2: but probably not in the top five, i'd say. Now,
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Speaker 2: Dr Anthony Fauci, we've covered him a lot on this program.
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Speaker 2: He faced quite a sensational grilling at Congress today. To
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Speaker 2: hearing he denied allegations that he covered up the theory
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Speaker 2: that COVID nineteen may have leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at how this unfolded.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the concept of there being a lab
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Speaker 1: leak is inherently a conspiracy theory. What is conspiracy is
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Speaker 1: the kind of distortions of that particular subject, like it
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Speaker 1: was a lab leak, and I was parachuted into the CIA,
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Speaker 1: like Jason Bourne and told the CIA that they should
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Speaker 1: really not be talking about a lable.
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Speaker 3: Thank you now, Bronwin.
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Speaker 2: It would be impossible in the space of time we
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Speaker 2: have here to recap my investigative journalism that I've done
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Speaker 2: in this area, but leedless to say, there were conversations
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Speaker 2: and I've interviewed the other health official on camera that
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Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci had the conversations with where they did decide
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Speaker 2: to publicly downplay the lablique theory. There's also email evidence
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Speaker 2: that points to this because they wanted cooperation from China.
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Speaker 3: That's one reason.
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Speaker 2: Another reason is that Anthony Fauchi's agency was actually funding
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Speaker 2: the gain of function research in Wuhan. An emails show
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Speaker 2: that he was worried he may have funded the research
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Speaker 2: that led to the pandemic.
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Speaker 13: Well, first, let's say your book was a very important
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Speaker 13: part in opening up the lies that have been told
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Speaker 13: during COVID, and any cold eyed view of.
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Speaker 11: What happened is clearly came out of the lab.
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Speaker 13: And clearly when we say increasing the function, we're talking
22:06
Speaker 13: about making it more lethal.
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Speaker 11: That's what That's what was happening.
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Speaker 13: And then, for some reason, against all the preparations this
22:13
Speaker 13: country had made, we followed the Chinese model of lockdown,
22:18
Speaker 13: as has happened in so many other countries. So we
22:22
Speaker 13: desperately need his testimony. There adds to the conviction I
22:26
Speaker 13: have and many others have, that we need a proper
22:28
Speaker 13: royal commission here into what happened here, and the research
22:33
Speaker 13: that you did and made public made people understand that
22:37
Speaker 13: there was something rotten going on in this country.
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Speaker 2: Now, my issue with those grillings, and I think it's
22:44
Speaker 2: excellent to be able to get Anthony Fauci in the
22:47
Speaker 2: stand and ask questions, but my issue with those grillings,
22:50
Speaker 2: and most of them are the same in the US Congress,
22:53
Speaker 2: is that it's all about the particular congress men or
22:56
Speaker 2: women you know, wanting to go viral on the internet.
22:59
Speaker 2: It's about their question rather than actually eliciting real answers
23:04
Speaker 2: from the person they're questioning. In this case Anthony Fauchier.
23:07
Speaker 2: Wish journalists would be able to.
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Speaker 3: Do that instead.
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Speaker 2: Roman Bishop Keith Pitt. Thank you both very much for
23:13
Speaker 2: joining me. Now, another big story today, Labor is planning
23:18
Speaker 2: to expand the eligibility criteria to allow foreign citizens to
23:23
Speaker 2: join our Defense FOSS. This is apparently to make up
23:27
Speaker 2: for a lack of recruits. No one wants to join
23:29
Speaker 2: the eightf anymore. New Zealanders would be the first foreigners
23:33
Speaker 2: to be able to join, and then there could be
23:36
Speaker 2: from January next year other countries as well. There's been
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Speaker 2: mixed messaging from Labour today about exactly who will be
23:44
Speaker 2: eligible to join our defense.
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Speaker 3: Foss have a look.
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Speaker 15: As of the first of July, we will be enabling
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Speaker 15: New Zealand citizens who have been permanent residents of our
23:58
Speaker 15: country for at least a year. We will be allowing
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Speaker 15: those people to join our defense.
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Speaker 13: Folts.
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Speaker 10: It goes well beyond New Zealand citizens, as you will know,
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Speaker 10: and as broader application. Perhaps the Minister could provide us
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Speaker 10: with the actual detail.
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Speaker 15: What we learn, mister Speaker, from the question that has
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Speaker 15: been asked by the Shadow Minister and from the interjection
24:18
Speaker 15: of the Leader of the Opposition now, is there are
24:21
Speaker 15: no bounds that they won't cross in order to run
24:24
Speaker 15: a scare campaign and blow any single whistle that they
24:29
Speaker 15: can find.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty joins me. Now, Andrew, thank
24:35
Speaker 2: you for your time. This is a big story today,
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Speaker 2: your Shadow Defense What are your concerns about Labour's policy, Charry?
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Speaker 16: This is a half baked, ham fisted policy. It was
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Speaker 16: all over the place today. You had three separate ministers
24:53
Speaker 16: giving different information. There was no clarity around it, and
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Speaker 16: it wasn't until this afternoon where they started to give
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Speaker 16: us some clarity, but even so there are huge questions
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Speaker 16: about how this will operate. New Zealanders can become citizens
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Speaker 16: through the ADF from July one, and then January one,
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Speaker 16: permanent residents from any country can join our ADF and
25:13
Speaker 16: then within ninety days be given citizenship. This is the
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Speaker 16: biggest change to defense recruiting since federation, and the Australian
25:20
Speaker 16: people deserve to know how this will be done, what
25:23
Speaker 16: security processes will be followed, what return of service obligations
25:27
Speaker 16: will be imposed on people, And we need to know
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Speaker 16: because these are the people we are entrusting to defend us,
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Speaker 16: the most difficult and sacred task. We can ask of
25:38
Speaker 16: people who serve in our uniform.
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Speaker 2: Well, what are your specific concerns about having foreigners and
25:45
Speaker 2: they might be from five ised countries like minded nations,
25:49
Speaker 2: what are your concerns about foreigners joining the ADF.
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Speaker 16: There's a number of reasons why we are concerned. The
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Speaker 16: first is Director General of AS Mike Burgess has said
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Speaker 16: numerous times over the last few years that espionage and
26:04
Speaker 16: foreign interference is at unprecedented levels in this country, exceeding
26:08
Speaker 16: that of the Cold War, and we are about to
26:11
Speaker 16: attract a lot more espionage and foreign interference because of
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Speaker 16: what we're embarking on with Orcus. And so we need
26:17
Speaker 16: to know that the people joining our defense Force are
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Speaker 16: people who believe in Australia, who uphold our values, and
26:23
Speaker 16: who are working in our best interests. And so this
26:26
Speaker 16: will impose a big cost in terms of security making
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Speaker 16: sure that people who join the ADF are legitimate and
26:33
Speaker 16: it requires us to verify their backgrounds. And so this
26:37
Speaker 16: is why we need more than just a drop to
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Speaker 16: the media this morning. We actually need a debate. We
26:42
Speaker 16: need a discussion, and they need to explain how they're
26:45
Speaker 16: going to roll this out. They've done none of that.
26:47
Speaker 16: They've absolutely done none of that, and it really is
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Speaker 16: shameful the way they're just treating this as just another
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Speaker 16: run in the mill policy poorly executed.
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Speaker 2: There have been reports that you personally suggested perhaps have
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Speaker 2: some of our allies join the ADF.
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Speaker 3: Is this correct? And do you think you will reject
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Speaker 3: Labour's policy?
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Speaker 5: Sure?
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Speaker 16: Yes, Look you know I've got an open mind about
27:12
Speaker 16: these things. And we have a recruiting and retention crisis, Sharry.
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Speaker 16: We're five thousand people short in the ADF and we're
27:18
Speaker 16: going backwards because we're not hitting our recruiting targets every
27:21
Speaker 16: year and we're losing people every year. So I'm open
27:23
Speaker 16: minded about how we boost our ADF numbers. We already
27:27
Speaker 16: do lateral transfers. In twenty twenty one, Sharry I board
27:30
Speaker 16: a Collins class submarine. The captain of the boat was
27:32
Speaker 16: a Canadian officer who transferred from Canada. So we already
27:36
Speaker 16: do lateral transfers with five eysed nations, and I'm open
27:40
Speaker 16: minded about five eyed countries as well joining the ADF,
27:44
Speaker 16: as long as they meet all the stringent security requirements.
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Speaker 16: But the government has gone far beyond that, and they're
27:49
Speaker 16: suggesting that we'll take anyone from anywhere in this world,
27:53
Speaker 16: and I think that has a huge bit clear.
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Speaker 2: You would support it if it was limited to five
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Speaker 2: yes countries.
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Speaker 16: Potentially. This is what we're going to explore tomorrow in estimates.
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Speaker 16: This is what we're going to explore. We're going to
28:07
Speaker 16: ask questions of the government and find out exactly how
28:10
Speaker 16: they're going to roll this policy out. We're doing our
28:12
Speaker 16: due diligence.
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Speaker 1: Chrry.
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Speaker 16: You never rush into these things, and like I said,
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Speaker 16: I've got an open mind but the way they've operated today,
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Speaker 16: the way they've announced this, does not fill me with confidence.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's been a lot of criticism of defense leadership.
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Speaker 2: You know, one very well known example the suggestion that
28:28
Speaker 2: metals should be returned even though the soldiers had nothing
28:31
Speaker 2: to do with any allegations of war crimes. Do you
28:35
Speaker 2: think that these sort of issues have had an impact
28:38
Speaker 2: on recruiting levels?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: I think the ADF has had a huge morale problem
28:44
Speaker 16: for some years now, a political correctness, a sense of
28:49
Speaker 16: procedural fairness not being upheld. There's a range of reasons
28:54
Speaker 16: why morale is low. But under this lab government, under
28:57
Speaker 16: alb and Easy government, we've seen Army slashed in terms
29:02
Speaker 16: of funding and capability. And our diggers aren't stupid. They
29:07
Speaker 16: know when the government doesn't believe in the mission and
29:10
Speaker 16: they're seeing that with the cuts to capability. So there's
29:15
Speaker 16: a number of reasons why morale is low and our
29:17
Speaker 16: task is to get it back up and get our
29:20
Speaker 16: men and women believing in the mission.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, there's also the fact that Prime Minister failed to
29:24
Speaker 2: stand up for our defense personnel when they've been injured
29:27
Speaker 2: or nearly injured in a couple of recent incidents with
29:31
Speaker 2: the Chinese. I mean, you know, on both occasions the
29:34
Speaker 2: Prime Minister said.
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Speaker 3: He'd raised it at the highest levels.
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Speaker 2: In the one instance he saw the Chinese president, she
29:40
Speaker 2: personally didn't raise it. The next there were no count
29:44
Speaker 2: There were no ministerial conversations at all. Again, do you
29:48
Speaker 2: think this where the Prime Minister can't defend even verbally,
29:53
Speaker 2: people who are literally putting their lives on the line
29:56
Speaker 2: for our country. Would this also act as a disincentive
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Speaker 2: joining the ADF?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 16: I think our national leadership has to be as tough
30:07
Speaker 16: as the men and women who take the risks on
30:10
Speaker 16: our behalf. And we saw our divers experience the sonar
30:14
Speaker 16: attack from the Chinese destroyer last year. We saw that
30:17
Speaker 16: Navy Seahawk have flares fired at it by a Chinese fighter.
30:20
Speaker 16: On both occasions, the Prime Minister did not pick up
30:23
Speaker 16: the phone and go into bat for those ADF personnel.
30:25
Speaker 16: And that sends a signal to every single person in
30:28
Speaker 16: uniform that our Prime minister isn't making that a priority.
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Speaker 16: And I think that has to have an impact on morale.
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Speaker 2: All right, Andrew Hasty, thank you very much for your
30:39
Speaker 2: time this evening. We've got a lot more coming up
30:42
Speaker 2: on the show tonight.
30:43
Speaker 3: We're going to look at.
30:44
Speaker 2: Pennywong's outrageous comments about Hamas, plus local companies say they're
30:49
Speaker 2: being hurt by labours Free for All class action laws.
30:53
Speaker 2: Senator Jane Hume would join me to discuss.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back Well.
31:01
Speaker 2: Australian businesses are being targeted by international law firms with
31:05
Speaker 2: major class action lawsuits. In one example, a UK law
31:10
Speaker 2: firm Pogast Goodhead has started a seventy billion dollar class
31:14
Speaker 2: action against mining giant BHP after twenty fifteen dam burst
31:19
Speaker 2: causing a giant mud slide in southern in southeastern Brazil,
31:23
Speaker 2: killing nineteen people.
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Speaker 3: The class action comes.
31:27
Speaker 2: As BHP spent more than eight billion dollars in an
31:29
Speaker 2: effort to rebuild affected communities. But it doesn't end with BHP.
31:35
Speaker 2: One of the founders of this fom, Thomas Goodhead, told
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Speaker 2: the ABC that they would keep pursuing Australian companies for
31:42
Speaker 2: environmental crimes.
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Speaker 17: Do you plan to launch new claims against Australian corporations?
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Speaker 18: Yes, I mean it's something that we've been studying a
31:53
Speaker 18: number of cases. I mean we were contacted, I was
31:55
Speaker 18: contacted a couple of years back by communities in Papua
31:57
Speaker 18: New Guinea. Until these companies stop committing environmental crimes, then
32:01
Speaker 18: there's a role for firms such as mine to be
32:04
Speaker 18: seeking to hold them to account.
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Speaker 2: And the Australian Financial Review talks about the firm's explicit
32:10
Speaker 2: intent to target local multinational companies by investing their time
32:15
Speaker 2: in high return class actions, which can be worth hundreds
32:19
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars. The coalition says the laws around
32:23
Speaker 2: class actions need to be tightened to protect Australian businesses
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Speaker 2: or to discuss im Joined now by Shadow Finance Minister
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Speaker 2: Jane Hume, Jane, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Look, we've seen that this law.
32:37
Speaker 2: Firm is currently going head to head with BHP. Do
32:41
Speaker 2: you think this is a case that shouldn't be pursued.
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Speaker 9: This is a problem that's been going on for a
32:49
Speaker 9: while in Australia, Sherry, and it's been going on because
32:53
Speaker 9: of loose regulations, light to touch regulations around class actions.
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Speaker 9: But I'll say this out on the outset said, I'm
33:00
Speaker 9: no lawyer. I've never worked in a law firm, but
33:02
Speaker 9: I have worked at a fund management at a fund manager,
33:05
Speaker 9: and I know that fund manager will always go to
33:08
Speaker 9: where the money is. So, of course, these large overseas firms,
33:13
Speaker 9: backed by large overseas fund managers are now coming to
33:16
Speaker 9: Australia having identified that there is money to be made
33:20
Speaker 9: here through waging warfare against the ASX. They are essentially
33:26
Speaker 9: profiting from other people's misery, using our justice system, clogging
33:31
Speaker 9: up our courts, delivering very little for those that are
33:35
Speaker 9: parties to the class action, and more importantly, sending that
33:39
Speaker 9: money offshore overseas to big law firms and big fund managers.
33:45
Speaker 9: And they're being quite explicit about it. They're even boasting
33:48
Speaker 9: about it on social media, and that is unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: So how is this a political issue?
33:55
Speaker 2: You know, what laws do you think need to be tighted?
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Speaker 9: Well, the number of class action lawsuits in Australia now
34:04
Speaker 9: is out of control. There were fifty three new class
34:07
Speaker 9: action lawsuits just last year alone. That's a two hundred
34:11
Speaker 9: percent rise on ten years ago. Now, of those new
34:15
Speaker 9: class action lawsuits, a large number were run by just
34:21
Speaker 9: one firm, just one firm, and that was Marics Blackburn.
34:24
Speaker 9: Now Morris Blackburn is also responsible for six members of
34:28
Speaker 9: the ALP, Stephen Jones, Mark Drefus, the Attorney General Murray Watt,
34:33
Speaker 9: and three others that are not on the front bench.
34:36
Speaker 9: So you can see how this one firm that.
34:39
Speaker 3: What do you mean they're responsible?
34:41
Speaker 2: What do you mean they're responsible for those labor politicians.
34:45
Speaker 9: Well, those labor politicians have worked for Marris Blackburn and
34:49
Speaker 9: before they entered parliament. And indeed Marics Blackburn has now
34:52
Speaker 9: delivered two new Fair Work commissioners just in the last
34:55
Speaker 9: twelve months alone, so you can see why this is
34:58
Speaker 9: a favored firm of the Labor Party. The Labor Party
35:01
Speaker 9: has no incentive whatsoever to reform this space. Moreover, Marics
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Speaker 9: Blackburn has been responsible for around one and a half
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Speaker 9: I think many will be two and a half nearly
35:11
Speaker 9: two and a half million dollars worth of donations to
35:14
Speaker 9: the Labor Party since two thousand and nineteen, So you
35:17
Speaker 9: can see this very cozy relationship between class action lawyers
35:20
Speaker 9: in Australia and.
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Speaker 3: The Labor Party.
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Speaker 9: The worst part of this, though, sharing is that these firms,
35:27
Speaker 9: whether they be overseas firms or Australian firms, are clogging
35:30
Speaker 9: up our court system. They're grinding our businesses to hold,
35:34
Speaker 9: They're costing shareholders, they're costing tax payers and essentially they're
35:38
Speaker 9: profiting out of our justice system.
35:41
Speaker 3: That's despicable.
35:43
Speaker 2: Now, Jane, just before you go, you made some comments
35:47
Speaker 2: relating to Josh Friedenberg in the seat of coup Yong.
35:51
Speaker 2: I spoke about this issue at the start of the
35:53
Speaker 2: program and said that, you know, I'm all for I
35:56
Speaker 2: support gender quotas, but the idea that an untested thirty
36:00
Speaker 2: one year old can't be asked to stand aside for
36:03
Speaker 2: the former Treasurer of Australia should he decide to contest
36:08
Speaker 2: his seat again, that's absurd.
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Speaker 9: Well, Sherry, I think you've missed the point here, which
36:14
Speaker 9: is that that's a decision for the Liberal Party in Victoria.
36:18
Speaker 9: We desperately wanted Josh to come back. We begged him
36:21
Speaker 9: to come back, and he chose not to contest that
36:24
Speaker 9: preselection Emilia Hamer, who is a highly qualified.
36:27
Speaker 3: Young but he's open to change his mind.
36:30
Speaker 2: The preselections could reopen if there is a redistribution. The
36:34
Speaker 2: idea that he's been shut down and told that he
36:37
Speaker 2: can't even consider this because there's a female standing, isn't
36:42
Speaker 2: this pure identity politics.
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Speaker 9: I don't think that that's what he's been told. I
36:47
Speaker 9: think that he has if he has been told, and
36:50
Speaker 9: I haven't spoken to Josh, I'm not.
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Speaker 3: Saying be told privately.
36:52
Speaker 2: I'm saying that is the message that's emerged publicly by
36:55
Speaker 2: you and some others.
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Speaker 9: I don't think that that was the message that I delivered, Sharry.
37:00
Speaker 9: In fact, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. The message that
37:02
Speaker 9: I delivered was that you can't reopen a pre selection
37:06
Speaker 9: based on boundaries that are draft. Now, when those boundaries
37:10
Speaker 9: become confirmed, well then that's something for the party to consider.
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Speaker 2: But you'd be open to reopening the pre selections. You'd
37:16
Speaker 2: be opening having an untested thirty one year old stand
37:19
Speaker 2: aside and having the former treasurer re enter Parliament again.
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Speaker 9: It's a decision for the Liberal Party. It's not a
37:27
Speaker 9: decision for Jane Hume. What I would say, though, is
37:29
Speaker 9: that Emilia Hamer contested that pre selection against three other people,
37:34
Speaker 9: one of whom was akc, one of whom was a surgeon,
37:38
Speaker 9: the other with whom was a fund manager. It was
37:40
Speaker 9: a hard fought pre selection and she won it fair
37:44
Speaker 9: and square. The idea that you would then step aside
37:48
Speaker 9: is a big deal. She's been campaigning for very successfully
37:51
Speaker 9: for a number of months now. She's doing a great job.
37:54
Speaker 9: So I think that there is another side to the coin.
37:57
Speaker 9: We would love Josh to come back. We've been saying
37:59
Speaker 9: that for my but he chose not to. He chose
38:02
Speaker 9: not to. Now, if there is changes to the boundaries
38:05
Speaker 9: that would be significant enough to reopen those preselections, that's
38:09
Speaker 9: a decision for the Victorian Party, but not until the
38:11
Speaker 9: boundaries are confirmed. In the past, draft boundaries have changed
38:15
Speaker 9: quite significantly to the or final boundaries have changed quite
38:18
Speaker 9: significantly to final to draft boundaries.
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Speaker 2: All right, and still an open question the seat of Higgins.
38:24
Speaker 3: So you're saying it's still an open question of Higgins.
38:26
Speaker 2: Depending on the final redistribution boundaries, you might still reopen
38:30
Speaker 2: the pre selection process are change and that.
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Speaker 9: May well be a chance. But I don't know when
38:36
Speaker 9: those draft boundaries will be confirmed. It could be as
38:40
Speaker 9: late as October, and we could be facing an election
38:43
Speaker 9: as soon as November. It could be as soon as August,
38:46
Speaker 9: and frankly, if the economic outlook is as bad as
38:51
Speaker 9: it seems to be is we've discovered in estimates, it
38:53
Speaker 9: may well be sooner rather than later.
38:55
Speaker 2: We're out of time. Jane Hume, thank you. Very much
38:58
Speaker 2: for joining us. The Prime Minister has made clear though
39:00
Speaker 2: that he does intend to serve the full term, which
39:03
Speaker 2: is until next year.
39:05
Speaker 3: All right, coming up.
39:06
Speaker 2: Pennywong refuses to rule out recognizing a Palestinian state even
39:10
Speaker 2: if her Musk still has a governing role in Gaza.
39:14
Speaker 2: Plus the eye watering amount housing Australia has spent on
39:17
Speaker 2: consultants without building a single poem.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned, welcome back well.
39:27
Speaker 2: In an alarming development, Foreign Minister Pennywong would not unequivocally
39:32
Speaker 2: rule out Australia's support for Palestinian state even if Hermas
39:36
Speaker 2: retained a governance role in Gaza. The Foreign Minister said
39:40
Speaker 2: this insenate estimates.
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Speaker 4: So when you say there is no role for Hermas
39:45
Speaker 4: in a future Palestinian state, that's what I mean. So
39:49
Speaker 4: there will be no recognition by Australia if Hermas remains
39:53
Speaker 4: in any position of governance.
39:56
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be drawn into.
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Speaker 17: Questions of detail around negotiations around which we are not
40:04
Speaker 17: Party two.
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Speaker 2: She also refused to say whether the decision to support
40:10
Speaker 2: the UN motion to recognize the Palestinian State had been
40:14
Speaker 2: through cabinet. Well, there's a reason she couldn't say that.
40:17
Speaker 2: It's because, as I exclusively revealed at the time, it
40:21
Speaker 2: was a captain's call by Anthony Albanesi. The PM made
40:26
Speaker 2: the final decision on that it should hardly come as
40:29
Speaker 2: a surprise, seeing as he has been a pro Palestinian
40:32
Speaker 2: activist since his very early days in Parliament. Here was
40:37
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberesi yelling into a megaphone during the Second into
40:41
Speaker 2: Fada when there were suicide bombings killing bus loads of
40:45
Speaker 2: innocent civilians in Israel at the time.
40:52
Speaker 11: Israel tru.
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Speaker 2: Ing well, he was an MP at the time. This
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Speaker 2: is a morally corrupt government led by a Prime Minister
41:11
Speaker 2: who supported Palestinians during the Second into Fada and a
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Speaker 2: foreign minister who may support recognition of a Palestinian state
41:20
Speaker 2: even if Hamas is still in control. Let's bring in
41:27
Speaker 2: tonight's panel, Sky News host Kayler Bond and Sky News
41:30
Speaker 2: contributor Sam Crosby. Kyleb Pennywong is the worst foreign minister
41:36
Speaker 2: Australia has ever had.
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Speaker 3: What do you think I mean?
41:41
Speaker 5: This is so weak, isn't it you?
41:44
Speaker 9: Head?
41:44
Speaker 5: Last week, the Prime Minister on Josh Frodenberg's documentary on
41:49
Speaker 5: anti Semitism, saying all the right things, and if you
41:52
Speaker 5: had not heard a word that had come out of
41:55
Speaker 5: his mouth till that point, and you hadn't heard a
41:57
Speaker 5: word that had come out of Penny Wong's mouth until
42:00
Speaker 5: that point, you might have come away from it thinking, Gee,
42:02
Speaker 5: where's this Prime minister's gang ho on all this anti
42:05
Speaker 5: semitism stuff. He agrees that it's a real problem and
42:08
Speaker 5: something should be done about it, but we know that
42:12
Speaker 5: this government has flipped on this issue more than a
42:16
Speaker 5: kid working on the burger line at McDonald's. One minute
42:19
Speaker 5: there sucking up and saying, yes, yes, anti Semitism is
42:23
Speaker 5: a problem. Next minute you have us over at the
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Speaker 5: UN agreeing that there should be a road to statehood
42:29
Speaker 5: for Palestine, and then the Foreign Minister saying this week,
42:34
Speaker 5: sure you know that there may be a way that
42:36
Speaker 5: there could be a Palestinian state recognized by Australia with
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Speaker 5: Hamas still in power. The statement she made there that
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Speaker 5: you showed that, oh, I'm not going to get bogged
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Speaker 5: down in the detail of negotiations to which we are
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Speaker 5: not party. That wasn't the question. The question was whether
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Speaker 5: Australia would give recognition to a Palestinian state. If Hamas
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Speaker 5: still had a life of power. The answer to that
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Speaker 5: should take abou zero point five of a second to
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Speaker 5: come up with, and it's no. We're all committed if
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Speaker 5: we believe it, We're all committed to getting rid of
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Speaker 5: Hamas for a two state solution. There is no two
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Speaker 5: state solution with Hamas still in.
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Speaker 3: Power, Well said, Caleb Well said. Now.
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Speaker 2: In a breaking news story on The Australian, Simon Benson,
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Speaker 2: the Political editor, reports that Housing Australia has spent thirty
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Speaker 2: million dollars on consultants and executive salaries without building a
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Speaker 2: single home. He writes at the agency task with delivering
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's ten billion dollar affordable housing fund for low
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Speaker 2: income families paid more than twenty four million to external
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Speaker 2: consultants and six million in annual executive salaries last year
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Speaker 2: despite not having yet delivered a single completed house under
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Speaker 2: the scheme. Sam Crosby, you work with homeless people. There
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Speaker 2: is a housing prices. This is an outrage.
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Speaker 19: It's hard to defend, Shari, It's hard to defend. And
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Speaker 19: I say that, yes, obviously I work at Buddy's and yes,
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Speaker 19: obviously I'm the husband of the new South Wales Housing Minister.
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Speaker 19: So I'm a little bit conflicted here, but I think
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Speaker 19: it's hard for any federal government to defend setting up
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Speaker 19: a thirty million dollar bureaucracy, the vast majority of which
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Speaker 19: is spent with external consultants. You know, each of the
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Speaker 19: states have their own housing bodies already set up, already
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Speaker 19: ready to go, already delivering thousands of units and dwellings
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Speaker 19: each year and homes each year. So I just don't
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Speaker 19: know why you wouldn't have a very small team of
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Speaker 19: economists dividing up the money according to whatever the formula
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Speaker 19: is and getting the money out the door into the community.
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Speaker 3: Sam.
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Speaker 2: I went to the city in Sydney the other weekend
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Speaker 2: and I saw a homeless man sitting on against a building.
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Speaker 2: You had a little girl, maybe about six, sitting on
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Speaker 2: his lap.
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Speaker 3: It was absolutely devastating.
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Speaker 2: How common is this that children are now out of housing?
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Speaker 19: Look, thankfully, not that common at all. There are many,
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Speaker 19: many programs that exist to ensure that no one has
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Speaker 19: to be homeless for any time. There are phone numbers
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Speaker 19: that you can call state government phone numbers. There are
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Speaker 19: housing providers like Saint Vincentabule that will ensure anyone, especially children,
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Speaker 19: especially children can get a house in a bed tonight.
45:41
Speaker 19: If you're out you can call you know and get
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Speaker 19: seen too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Caleb.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry we only got to you once tonight. Your
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Speaker 2: comment was worth its weight in gold, though, and Caleb
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Speaker 2: will see you back at ten o'clock tonight. Sam Crosby
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Speaker 2: Caleb on, thank you both very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Now after the break, Just Center will join me on
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Speaker 2: why she says Australia needs major reform. Stay tuned, Just
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Speaker 2: Enterprice Live, welcome back. Well, let's bring in now Shadow
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Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians, miniesot Just Enterprise, who is leading call for.
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Speaker 3: Reform of Native title. Great to see you. What needs
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Speaker 3: to change here?
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Speaker 17: Look in terms of Native title, while it was well
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Speaker 17: intended and it's all very nice to be able to
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Speaker 17: have access to your land as a traditional owner to
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Speaker 17: fish and hunt, it was very narrow in terms of
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Speaker 17: what else Indigenous Australians could do so ideas such as
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Speaker 17: economic development, economic independence, the opportunity to generate wealth from
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Speaker 17: one's own land, it was very limited scope to be
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Speaker 17: able to do that to begin with, and I think
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Speaker 17: it's why we have some of our most marginalized Indigenous
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Speaker 17: Australians exist in you know, in remote places like the
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Speaker 17: Northern Territory. So I truly believe when inform when it
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Speaker 17: comes to Native title and in terms of the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 17: the Land Rights Act is also is requiring reform as
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Speaker 17: well to provide these opportunities that are really needed for
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Speaker 17: many of our most marginalized.
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Speaker 2: Have you started this conversation yet with Linda Bernie, your
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Speaker 2: counterpart in the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, I've had these conversations certainly with my counterparts
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Speaker 17: within the Senate, with Melanderry McCarthy. I've made it very
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Speaker 17: known publicly that these are issues, of course that I
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Speaker 17: think require reform. I've always said that traditional owners, you know,
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Speaker 17: well the land rich and dirt poor and need to
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Speaker 17: be able to be job creators in their own right
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Speaker 17: on country instead of continually but being dependent on well
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Speaker 17: found on government to go out and create supposed jobs
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Speaker 17: out in communities, but you know, effectively land locked in
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Speaker 17: how we can and cannot.
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Speaker 3: Use our land.
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Speaker 2: And do you think the government is open to having
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Speaker 2: this conversation and looking at reforms working with you to
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Speaker 2: do so.
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Speaker 17: Look, I welcome the fact that the government has decided
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Speaker 17: to put five hundred thousand dollars toward reviewing native title itself.
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Speaker 17: I would happily work with the government toward that, and
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Speaker 17: I would also encourage them to take a really good
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Speaker 17: look at the Land Rights Act within the Northern Territory
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Speaker 17: as well. I know that many traditional owners across the
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Speaker 17: country feel it's time that we looked at how native
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Speaker 17: title is or isn't working to its best, to its
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Speaker 17: best for the opportunities for traditional owners.
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Speaker 2: An important conversation to have Disne Enterprise. Always love having
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Speaker 2: you on the show. Thank you for your time, and
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Speaker 2: I reckon Arry would probably pick you as his Prime minister.
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Speaker 3: And here's poor here's Paul Murray.
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