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US to Livestream Execution of Traumatized Soldier | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Hey there, it's Friday, October 9th, 2026. Thanks
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for joining us here on DeProgram with Ted Rall
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and Jamarl Thomas. Here's what we've got today.
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Some kind of outlandish news, in case you've been,
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you're just waking up. The defense secretary,
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Pete Hegseth, says that the firing squad execution
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of Nidal Malik Hasan will be live streamed.
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You heard that right. Your kids can watch. Make
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sure they tune in on December 3rd. Obviously,
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we'll get into that. Unidentified ICE agents
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using unmarked cars surrounded a Dominican man
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and his five-year-old son in his car in the
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Marble Hill section of the Bronx and shot him
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multiple times. Chaos in the Bronx right now.
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There's protest demonstrations. Mayor Mamdani
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called President Trump to demand that ICE withdraw
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completely from New York City. Obviously, that's
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not going to happen. Meanwhile, the Pentagon
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has developed plans to start up the war against
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Iran in earnest. They say they're going to go
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after Iran's drone and missile arsenal. What?
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They didn't do that before? Anyway, but Trump
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keeps kicking the can down the road. If anything's
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going to happen, the word is it won't happen
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until after the midterms. Meanwhile, the Houthis
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have struck Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, with ballistic
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missiles. Explosions were heard at the
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airport, so if you're delayed flying
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into Riyadh, you'll know why. Also, a new report
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shows that there's something to what Chris Murphy
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is saying about there being a cover-up. At least
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81 U.S. military aircraft, drones, and choppers
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were lost or damaged to the Iranians so far since
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the conflict began in late February.
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Last but not least, the Trump administration is
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going after tech companies for abusing the green
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card H-1B visa programs to do what J.D. Vance
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calls replacing American workers with effectively
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foreign indentured servants. Also, the administration's
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going after major universities and colleges like
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Harvard, Yale, and Stanford, saying that those
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institutions are abusing and misusing a program
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that was meant to simply let people into the
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United States to study and then go back home.
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Please like, follow, and share the show. We're here
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for two hours. It's Friday. It's nine o'clock
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right now. We're going to go to 11 o'clock. At
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11 o'clock, DMZ America podcast with me and
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Scott Stantis, except Scott's out today, so just
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me. Guest will be Steve Breen of the San Diego
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Union-Tribune, two-time Pulitzer winner. Okay,
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that's a handful. Good morning, Jamarl. How are
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you? Oh, you are muted, I think. Yeah, I'm okay.
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I'm not bad. Okay, good. It's like when I leave
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my show and if anything happens on my show, it
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screws with me for the show. Did anything happen?
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Yeah. So I was supposed to have a guest on the
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show, and usually I do this stuff on my own.
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There's not really a middleman, and so it's inelegant
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when there's a middleman and the guest doesn't
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get the link for the show. And so it's kind of
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like you have to do the show on your own for
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the entire time frame, and you weren't what you
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have to do. It's fair enough, but it scores with
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you. It's like you have a thing in mind and it
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bugs you. Totally, totally. It's okay. Hopefully,
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I guess, come back on at some point. Yeah, I guess
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it's not showing up. It's just sort of, it just
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happens. It used to happen even on,
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I had a show on a major station,
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so I don't take it personally. Now I'm
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like, oh, maybe they're just seeing my podcast.
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People would flake out on KFI radio, and it served
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15 western states, and it was a powerhouse. People
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just not show up. Sometimes there's just
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tech issues, or they can't get home on time, or
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whatever. Well, to be fair, the guests didn't
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flake out. The person who was booking the guests
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didn't send them. Oh, didn't get all the
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logistics straight. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That happens.
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Getting the links where they need to be and all
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that stuff. It's inelegant when there's a middleman,
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but it's okay. It's one of those mistakes. They happen,
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but it still works. But otherwise, the world is
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good. Shocking news, though. So Nidal Malik Hasan
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is the Fort Hood shooter. He's an army major.
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He shot and killed 13 of his colleagues at Fort
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Hood Army Base back in 2009. When
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this was all happening, amid the chaos,
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he was shot and is paralyzed from
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the waist down. He's in a wheelchair now. Pete
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Hegseth says he'll be executed by firing squad
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on December 3rd, and this is going to be live
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streamed. I decided to look up when was the
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last time there was a public execution in the
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United States. The public execution was
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1936. So this happened. A guy named Rainey
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Bethea, a Black guy, was hung in Owensboro, Kentucky.
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There was a huge crowd, 10 to 20,000 people
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estimated. Apparently, the guy who ran the trap
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lever was drunk, according to local newspapers.
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It was such a fiasco that the state of Kentucky
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repealed the statute that had kept public hangings
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legal. And so basically, he was found guilty
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of rape, even though there was a murder involved.
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It was a younger Black guy who was convicted
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of raping, and he wasn't convicted of killing,
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an old white widow who was 70 years old.
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She was found raped and strangled.
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Historians generally believe he was probably
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guilty, but the trial was a complete nightmare.
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So it was three hours before an all-white jury.
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His court-appointed lawyers didn't call a single
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witness, made no closing argument. Jury deliberations
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didn't even last five minutes, four and a half
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minutes. Prosecutors only
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went after him for rape rather than murder because
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they wanted to have a public hanging, and
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Kentucky law did allow a public county hanging
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for rape, but murder meant that he would be electrocuted
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inside the state prison at Eddyville. So they
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wanted to have a big spectacle here. Lawyers argued
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that he hadn't gotten a fair trial. Obviously,
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that's pretty true. It's generally viewed as
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a Jim Crow legal lynching in form, even though
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he may well have been guilty. That happened 90
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years ago. It's the last time there was a public
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hanging. I've got to say, I've mentioned
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this before, Jamarl. I do think that it is not,
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there's any number of criminals in
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the military justice system as well as in the
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normal criminal justice system who could be
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chosen for a public execution. And the fact that
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they're choosing a guy who is Muslim is not lost
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upon me. It seems very racially coded. I
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think this is on purpose. It goes with all the
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messaging that we see every single day by the
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president and his allies on social media. If you
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watch, you read X every single day, as I do, you're
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constantly seeing stuff about Muslims
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are evil, Muslims must be deported, Muslims must
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go. To me, this is all part of a messaging plan.
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But there's a lot more to say about it, but
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I want to hear what you have to say. I got
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the video. It's in the bottom of Hegseth, and the
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level of glee and excitement that is coming out
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of Hegseth should not be lost on people in this
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moment. Let's play the clip, Robby. Okay, Robby,
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can you hit play on this thing? One last question.
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I know you got to run. We all have to run. I
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don't believe that they are circling. Yes, yes.
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He doesn't mean the birds. I don't believe anyone's
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asked you on air about this yet. And so I
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wanted to get you on the record. Major Hasan,
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huge news that came out. One of these people,
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Joe Garza and I have, is another federal one who's
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got the death penalty that we were sort of waiting
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on, but he's not military. But Major Hasan,
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this news that came down regarding firing squad.
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Can you tell us about how that came about and
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what led to that decision process? No-brainer.
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Execution by firing squad. Army major betrays
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his country. Radical Islamist kills a bunch of
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Americans at Fort Hood. Of course, we're going
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to do it at Fort Hood and do it on a Thursday.
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We're going to do it at one o'clock, which is
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when he did it. And it's going to be soldiers
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with rifles executing the firing squad. It hadn't
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been since World War II since we've done that.
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Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in
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World War II, which was win, which was understand
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when the enemy attacks you, you stand your ground.
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So it was a radical Islamist terror attack. Remember
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what Obama called it? Workplace violence?
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That's what we're up against. That's the worldview
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we're up against, is workplace violence, CVE.
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We know what it is. It was a radical Islamist
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attack in uniform inside the ranks. And so he's
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going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it
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should be. And we'll make sure that people are
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able to watch it, that it's public, because people
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need to understand that there's serious consequences
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for these types of things. Has Major Hasan made
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any final requests, reached out to the president,
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anything like that, to your knowledge? Don't care.
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We'll see him on December 3rd. December 3rd,
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Fort Hood. Ladies and gentlemen, Secretary of
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War Pete Hegseth. Thank you very much. Thanks
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for coming with us. Appreciate it. First member
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of the media, whatever you want to call him,
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to ever do PT with us as well. I was surprised
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about that. Nobody's asked. Nobody's asked. Well,
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not everybody can cut it. Like Jack. Hey, I thought
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it was just something to do. I was trying. Okay.
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Thanks, Ryan. So, look, first point. I agree
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it should be public. I agree it should be public
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because, like I said, if we're going to kill
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people, this is a measure of the state. All executions
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should be public. Yeah, it should be public.
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We shouldn't be sanitizing this. If the state
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is going to kill somebody, the state should kill
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someone, right? And it shouldn't be something
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where the state makes it look as if, yeah, we're
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going to kill people, but we're going to sanitize
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it to the point where it's like a person has
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gone to sleep. No, you're killing somebody.
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That's not a trivial thing. And the glee that
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Hegseth gets out of this, it's a little disturbing.
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I get it, it's a machine process, right?
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You have a trial, you convict the person, and
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the machine now dispenses quote-unquote justice.
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And in this case, justice is a firing squad.
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Okay, I get it. He killed 13 people. I thought
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it was 18, but he killed 13 people. I get it.
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He's clearly guilty of sin. If you're going
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to kill anybody, this would be the poster boy
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for the person that you kill. What I don't like
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is Hegseth's excitement. Actually, I'm not going
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to say he's clearly guilty. He killed
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them, but I think an insanity
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defense would have
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withstood scrutiny in a civil court.
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In a criminal, in a
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military tribunal, they're not going to do that. In a
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court-martial, but the fact is he was insane.
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Okay, so the point is he suffered PTSD by proxy.
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There's no doubt about that in my mind. He was
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an army psychologist. He was dealing with people
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who were coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq
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who committed all sorts of war crimes and witnessed
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other war crimes and witnessed terrible things
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happen to their colleagues. And they were very
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messed up. It's well established that psychologists
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who deal with a lot of that kind of trauma often
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find themselves traumatized themselves, according
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to his colleagues at the clinic where he worked
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on base. He was already catatonic and psychotic
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and was suffering a psychotic break before the
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shooting. A lot of people brought this,
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his mental state, to the attention of their superior
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officers. They were all dismissed, ignored, brushed
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off. I think the guy snapped. He lost
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his mind. This isn't about, so was he,
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radicalized after the fact? The way
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that Hegseth and other people in the military
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are portraying this right now is as if this guy
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snuck in as a sleeper agent from another country,
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got himself into the military, worked
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his way up to major with a view toward one
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day I'll have my big shot and I'll shoot up a
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medical clinic inside an army base. That's not
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what happened. This guy joined the military as
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a patriotic American, worked his way up through
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the ranks, became a major. That's, very
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few soldiers ever get that far, and then
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found himself basically losing his mind,
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didn't get any help that he needed, snapped, and
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had a psychotic break in an environment where
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he and everyone else has easy access to weapons.
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I think an insanity defense would
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have been appropriate here. Execution is,
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it's crazy. If you're going to
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execute him, I agree. Do it in public. They're
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going to live stream it. I hope every
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child sees it because this is the true nature
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of this country. It is a full reflection of the
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American experience, every bit as much as NASCAR,
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apple pie, baseball, and the Pledge of Allegiance.
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It's who we are. We're mean. We're cruel. We
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have no sympathy whatsoever for other people
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when they break. We're assholes. And so we need
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to make sure that everyone knows we're assholes.
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And so thank you, Pete Hegseth, who is not gay
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and does not like other men and does not think
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about what they would feel like in his arms when
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he works out with them. Thank you, Pete Hegseth,
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for telling us, for making this decision, because
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it's going to force us to confront who we are.
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Well, that's why I think it should be live. It
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forces us to confront who we are. And ultimately,
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the public can make a choice. Full
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agreement. No sarcasm at all. Yeah. But,
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but Ted, did he know what he was doing was wrong?
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I don't know. I think that's the thing. I don't
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know. Okay, but that's the crux of the issue, and
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he killed 13 people. There are 13 people
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that no longer exist. I understand. Look, I
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agree with you, and he injured other, and he injured
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over 30 more, some of whom I assume
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are still, many of whom I'm sure are still not
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the same people as a result. An argument
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could be made, right, that he is a result of America's
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policy abroad, and I agree with you on that, that
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this idea of culpability. Hegseth is making
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this speech as if, except who's head of a military
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organization has sent those people over there
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to commit crimes and commit mayhem. You
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heard what he said, right? This is, we
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have to win. Okay, where's the win here?
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Major Hasan, it was not
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an enemy of the United States. Okay, he's not
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an enemy. He's one of our own. And he snapped
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and killed a bunch of people. That's the truth.
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It's not about winning. Who are we defeating?
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Did we take out an Iranian agent? He's not Iranian.
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Did we take out... Ted, it just boils... There
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are 13 people that no longer exist. Right. They
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have family members. They have connections. They
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were real people, right? Yeah. Despite the fact
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that they were American soldiers. Yeah, they
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were just waiting to see a doctor. Yeah. I have
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a question for you, Ted, and I mean this sincerely.
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I've been thinking about this a lot. First, how
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do we know he snapped? How do we know that he
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did not choose his... I think that JT's right.
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No, the United States is there in the Middle
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East. It's a wedgie war against Muslims. We're
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killing a million people in Iraq. We just got
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occupying Afghanistan, doing all this crap, right?
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So I don't think you can say that he snapped.
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Maybe he decided his allegiance to his religion
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and to the Islamic Ummah was of a higher loyalty
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than the oath to the nation in which he served.
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Or he thought we were wrong. Or maybe it's both.
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Meaning all the people came back and reported
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stories about how they were killing other Muslims,
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for lack of a better term. But I guess the point
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I'm trying to make is, if you snap, that means
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that you're out of your mind and you're out of
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control. Whereas if you sit down, if you reason
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this thing through, you decide, I am going in
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my own way to stop as many American servicemen
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from killing my Muslim brothers and sisters as
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I possibly can. That's not crazy. That's you
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making a choice. I think you guys are missing
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the point here, or at least I'm failing to articulate
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this well. No, you explained it very well. What
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I'm trying to say is I don't think that,
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okay, so when I say that the guy snapped, snapping
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doesn't mean that there's no internal logic.
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Snapping doesn't mean the person goes, blah,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and just basically
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loses their mind and starts eating their own
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tongue. I guess that kind of thing does
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happen. But there's an internal logic within
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psychosis that draws upon the real world. For
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example, there was a spate of paranoid schizophrenic
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homeless people pushing Asian women off subway
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platforms in New York City, right around the
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time that Trump was saying that all the stuff
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about China and Chinese people and how China
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was spreading the coronavirus in the United States,
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right? Why? So there's a correlation.
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Were those people crazy? Yes, but they're
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also drawing from stuff that's happening in the
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real world, in the news and in current events,
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that it's entirely possible that a guy
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might, who's, he might just draw, be
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like, the psychosis might prompt him to say,
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I'm Muslim. I've got to stop these Americans
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from killing my co-religionists. The two things
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are not in conflict necessarily at all. They're
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not in conflict, but that's a rational act. It's
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like crime. It's an irrational act drawing from
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rational occurrences. That's the thing. That's
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why you should have a trial. I can't imagine
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he had a fair, that guy couldn't have a fair
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trial. Is it a rational act? Well, yes. It could
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be. If you're Hamas, you have nothing to fight
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with and you are resisting, then yeah, the situation
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that you're in could push you to strap a bomb
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on yourself and blow up something. But some suicide
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bombers are psychotic and suicidal anyway, right?
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Maybe they're suicidal, but the situations that
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they're in, they see it as a rational act. And
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I can't necessarily say they're wrong, considering
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they're fighting an enemy. Well, the question
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is not whether they see it as a rational act.
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The question is whether it is a rational act.
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Here's the difference. What do you think? Whoa,
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whoa, whoa. If I do something crazy, but I think
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it's rational, of course I think it's rational.
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The question is, objectively, would a jury of
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12 presumably sane Americans think that I
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did a rational act, right? He did, but I guess
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what I'm saying is people come back, they relay
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their stories, and if his response is, I'm going
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to kill Americans as a result of what I've heard,
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I don't know if that's a break. I don't know
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if that's a psychological break. That's irrational,
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and they may say, well, he was radicalized. I
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would say he heard story after story after story.
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Maybe it's both. Maybe it's both. He was radicalized
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and he was made psychotic, and maybe the psychosis
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is what led him to the radicalization. These are
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a lot of things. There's no way that guy, kind
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of, let me put it this way. There's no way I believe
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that guy could get a fair trial after,
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in a military court, in a court-martial, after
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killing a bunch of soldiers. I don't see how that
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guy got a fair trial. Well, the standard of justice
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is different. He killed 13 people and wounded
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tens of soldiers, whatever that number is, 50,
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60, 70, 80. That is a lot of people to hurt and
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injure and then to go along with it. It's a bloodbath.
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A bleeding heart case for the killer. I'm not
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saying that. I'm just saying that I don't
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want to be, look, the main point here is, of
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course, we should focus on the live streaming
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and the execution itself. But I just don't want
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to be too quick and say, oh, he's clearly guilty.
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I'm not, I don't think, I don't really believe
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he's really guilty. Okay, let's say he clearly
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did it. Yeah, he did. You agree with that part,
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right? There's no question about that, yeah.
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Okay, and there are 13 people who had lives,
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family members and everything, that no longer
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exist. And there are tens of others that are
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wounded maybe for life. You agree with that part?
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100%. Your issue is, is he psychotic? And I guess
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I'm saying, I don't know if he's psychotic. Look
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at his fucking face. Seriously. He's
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not going to tell me anything. I'm saying somebody
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killed a lot of people. And my bias, I got to
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be honest, is towards the people who were murdered.
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Yes, I have. I accept that he was damaged
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by the people who came back and relayed stories
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and everything else. But I also have to put that
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into context of the number of people that he
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killed and wounded. Those people aren't
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nothing. And for whatever particular, put it
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this way. It feels, and I'll just say feels, it
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feels like there's a bleeding heart for the killer.
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That's what it feels like. Oh, for me? Yeah. I'm
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just interested now. Not really. I'm interested
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in fairness. I've always been interested in fairness,
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and so I don't really,
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I don't stand up at night thinking I had much
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more of a bleeding heart for someone like John
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Walker Lindh, who was literally sent
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to prison for 20 years for carrying an AK-47
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that he could have bought at a store near Robby's
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house for a few hundred bucks. Okay.
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That, I seriously have, I have bleeding
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heart for him. That's bullshit. It's not like
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I don't want him to have a fair trial. I don't
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think he had a fair trial. I don't think he had
22:56
a fair trial. I don't think he's been treated
22:58
fairly. I think that, I think
23:01
it's a tragedy. I think that there's
23:03
14 murders, 14 deaths, not 13, from Fort Hood, and
23:07
he's one of them. I think it's like,
23:09
I don't think the military handled
23:13
him well. I don't think that, I think
23:15
this all could have been avoided if the warnings
23:18
to his supervisors had been heeded and paid attention
23:21
to. I think it's a bunch of cold-ass, stupid, rules-
23:26
following idiots who let this happen. That may
23:29
be true. I guess the part that I don't
23:35
understand is, first, how can we know that the
23:37
guy is crazy when it could just be a matter of
23:40
allegiance? And let me give you an example I
23:43
think that fits better. We should know one way
23:44
or the other for sure before we firing-squad
23:50
a guy on the international internet. Ted, you can
23:53
never know exactly what is in another person's
23:56
heart or what is in their mind. Case in point,
23:58
in 1861, there are an awful lot of people who
24:03
made a conscious choice that their allegiance
24:05
to their home state was worth
24:09
more than the allegiance to the United States
24:11
military. We call those people Confederates.
24:14
What I'm saying is that Hasan could have
24:17
made that exact same choice. He could have decided,
24:20
in a completely rational mind, in
24:23
the same mold as Jeb Stuart or A.P. Hill, that my
24:26
allegiance to my faith. I'm totally open to that
24:30
possibility. But you're making, but you're saying
24:33
he's psychotic. The burden of proof is on the
24:35
prosecution. This is the United States. The burden
24:37
of proof is on the prosecution. Did he kill 13
24:41
people, yes or no? Yeah. There you go. But they
24:45
have to also show that he was in a, the prosecution
24:48
also has to show that he was of sound mind to
24:50
do so. If the argument is we can never know what's
24:53
in his mind, then we can never execute anybody.
24:55
No, but we can be 90%. We're supposed to be 90%
24:58
sure or more, right? That's the standard. Okay,
25:02
Ted Rall is not 90% sure or more. Let's put
25:06
it that way. Did they even have this case in
25:08
the open? It was in a military court,
25:09
right? No, it was in a court-martial. So we
25:14
don't know. So they try him and they convict
25:18
him in secret, but they kill him on the internet.
25:23
Yeah, he should be convicted on air also. We
25:27
talked about this, right? All trial procedures,
25:31
including military processes, should all be live
25:34
streamed and stored on the internet. All public
25:37
meetings should be live streamed. All cabinet
25:40
meetings should be live streamed. All meetings
25:42
in the Oval Office should be live streamed. I
25:45
mean, this is the government. We pay for it.
25:47
If it's representative democracy, then unless
25:51
we're talking about matters of
25:54
extreme national security, it should all be public, and
25:57
it's not. Things that you can't do public,
25:59
like there's certain conversations you can't
26:02
have public as a president, or as well, that could be argued, but I think that
26:07
the default mode should be transparency, and
26:10
then you can move to exceptions
26:12
for secrecy. We have the opposite. Everything is,
26:15
the default mode is secrecy. I guess
26:18
the thing is he's in the military, and because
26:20
he's in the military, he's sold. He's not a free
26:24
person. No. If that makes sense. No, you're basically
26:29
property. Yeah. And look, it's going to be, so
26:33
let's do some comments and then we'll get back
26:36
to this a little bit because it is a fucking
26:37
amazing story. FUSO, why just live stream
26:41
executions when we can go full dystopian capitalism
26:43
and make it a game show like in Running Man?
26:46
Right. By the way, I've now seen both versions
26:49
of the movie. Right. The remake is not bad. FUSO
26:53
also says we should go full Logan's Run and go
26:55
to Carousel at 30. Yep. A question for me.
27:01
Philip Blair, did, have you read what Casanova
27:05
himself wrote about his disgust at witnessing
27:08
a public execution in France? If not, check it
27:10
out. Casanova wrote it in French. I have not read
27:13
it, but lots of people, it should be disgusting.
27:15
A person is getting killed. Disgust should
27:18
be right, the default. They still have to decide,
27:23
right? Whether they're going to, he's in
27:24
a wheelchair. Are they going to strap him up
27:26
to a post, or are they going to shoot him in his
27:29
chair? Keep him in a wheelchair. The
27:33
public should see it. If we're going to
27:35
do it, the public should. We do it. It's our
27:38
money that pays for it. The public should see
27:40
it. I couldn't agree more. And again, I think
27:42
our children should be forced to watch it in
27:43
school. If they, well, it's going to
27:47
be public. So it's public. They should, people,
27:50
kids should know what kind of country they're
27:53
growing up into. They should know what their
27:55
country does, what it's like. The glee,
27:59
the video that you showed there, Jamarl, from
28:02
Pete Hegseth. He's about to have an orgasm.
28:05
He's so excited. By the way, are we getting conned
28:10
here? Is this just a distraction? We're going to be talking about this for the
28:14
next month instead of the elections. And
28:17
this is just an attempt
28:19
to have us only, because this is,
28:22
the timing is pretty suspect.
28:25
The dude's been sitting there since 2009, right?
28:27
But I don't think they get anything out of it,
28:30
meaning I don't think anybody watches. Maybe
28:33
his base, like, yeah, we get to kill a
28:36
Muslim. Maybe some, but I don't know how many people
28:40
look at that and think to themselves, now
28:43
that we get to kill a Muslim, I'm going to vote
28:44
for Trump. Yeah, I know. Does that work that
28:47
way, or is it no? If you're Trumpy and you were
28:52
on the fence and now you're like, oh, definitely,
28:54
I'm back in line. Let us know. He's killing Muslim
28:56
lives. God damn it. I'm going to vote for him.
28:58
That's my president. Hey, if I knew he was going
29:01
to kill a Muslim on the internet, I totally would
29:05
vote for my Republican House. I don't understand
29:07
why they're doing this after the midterm elections.
29:10
The smart political play would be to do it before
29:12
the elections. Yeah. I don't know. December 3rd,
29:16
right? December 3rd, right. Yeah, just
29:20
in time for the holidays. It's clearly
29:23
not a political stunt. There's no value in it.
29:27
True, yeah. Yeah, I agree. I don't know what
29:30
the value would be. But it's the choice of this
29:33
guy. We could kill a Muslim on air. No, listen,
29:37
I am a supporter of the death penalty. I'll be
29:40
making the case later on today at 2 o'clock
29:41
Mountain Time with Ted. But here's the thing,
29:44
though. Someone who legitimately enjoys the idea
29:48
of killing somebody should never have that power.
29:51
Yeah, agreed. Never. If you get your rocks off
29:56
of the idea of killing another person, you are
29:59
not the person to have that power. It should
30:02
definitely be more in sorrow than in anger, right?
30:04
Always. Oh, for sure. Why do you think they're
30:07
live streaming this? Yeah, that is the question.
30:11
I'm fascinated by that. Nobody told him to do
30:13
that. They decided to do that. Because American
30:16
society is in love with the idea of killing and
30:18
death. But I don't think this is American society.
30:21
I don't think anybody in American society said
30:23
to themselves, hey, what we really need to see
30:25
is to kill somebody live on air. Listen, the
30:27
most popular shows that are on TV, and by TV
30:31
I mean Netflix and stuff, are going to be
30:33
your violent action thrillers and stuff. It's
30:35
going to be your political thrillers. It's going
30:37
to be war movies. What do those have in common?
30:39
Killing people. True, but it's one thing to kill
30:43
people sanitized on TV, and murder
30:46
and stuff like that. People like that stuff,
30:48
sure, intellectually. I don't know if they're going to
30:52
like, I don't know if people are going to watch him
30:53
get shot and think to themselves, yeah, I need
30:55
more of that. Oh, I think they would. I
30:58
think there's a segment of the population that's
31:00
going to be like, I want this. How is this going
31:02
to play on December 4th? What are people going
31:07
to be saying? Are they going to be saying that?
31:10
Obviously, it's going to be a mix. But what's
31:13
the overall take going to be like? Well,
31:16
that was disgusting, or that was necessary,
31:19
or that was great. What is the... They may say,
31:23
probably disgusting but necessary, or disgusting.
31:25
I don't. Thanks for the ten dollars. James Kelly
31:29
says, I fear it's an attempt to quell dissent
31:31
in the ranks. Also, I remember seeing the beheadings
31:34
on YouTube, and it made me feel like the terrorists
31:36
were monsters. It will create bad propaganda.
31:39
Yeah, I remember I saw the beheadings on YouTube
31:41
too. Yeah, I think so too. Who looks
31:45
at somebody, chops off a head, and thinks to themselves,
31:46
yeah, I need more of that in my life? Or the
31:49
helicopter pilot who was set on fire. Exactly.
31:53
And a firing squad is not that far away from
31:56
that, right? It's still, you're basically
31:58
shooting somebody on air. I don't, look,
32:03
there may be people in the population that Hegseth
32:06
and Trump believe that they are messaging by
32:08
doing this, and by being so excited about, we're
32:11
going to kill a Muslim on air, because that's
32:12
what it boils down to. I agree with you. It's not,
32:14
we're killing a soldier on air. We're killing a
32:16
Muslim that was in the ranks that snuck in somehow
32:20
and all of a sudden killed all of these American
32:22
troops. That's the way they're running with this,
32:24
right? And even in the British thing, what did
32:27
they say? Iran, the Muslims were doing this. They're boosting this up, and there's something
32:33
gross about that. If you said very gross on air,
32:37
that would have never been. People would
32:39
take serious issue with it. Interesting that he
32:41
said it was a no-brainer. I don't want
32:45
the decision to execute someone on
32:50
international television effectively to be a
32:53
no-brainer. I'd like to think that this was carefully
32:55
considered. Well, yeah, I want him to get a fair
32:59
trial before the execution. But again, I keep.
33:01
How do you think this came up?
33:05
Obviously. What was the thinking process?
33:08
First of all, there's been, obviously,
33:11
there's no rush here. President
33:14
Trump has been president for five
33:17
or six years during which this guy was in custody,
33:21
and they could have done this. They chose not
33:24
to do it. He's been in there for 19
33:27
years, right? Sorry, no, I'm lying, 16
33:32
years. But the point is, the guy's been in the
33:36
clink for nearly two decades. Why now, and why
33:40
firing squad, which hasn't been done since World
33:43
War II, and why public, which hasn't been done
33:46
anywhere for 90 years? And the last time it was
33:49
done, it couldn't have been more racially coded,
33:52
right? It was basically a Jim Crow event
33:55
in the South. Now, this is all,
34:00
it's all signaling, right? It's vice signaling, not
34:03
virtue signaling. Well, it's also racially coded.
34:05
He's leaning into the fact that the
34:08
guy's a Muslim. Yeah, he didn't need to. He should,
34:11
he didn't need to even mention it. He could have
34:13
just said this guy betrayed his country. He killed
34:16
his colleagues. Yeah. So, for one
34:20
thing, it's the military, so I'm not shocked that
34:22
the military is going to kill somebody that killed
34:24
13 people and wounded X number of soldiers. From the military's point of view, this is justice,
34:30
right? And hence, that's what Hegseth is trying
34:33
to project. This is justice. This is justice.
34:36
But it's weird justice because, again, who asks
34:39
for public execution? The firing squad, again,
34:42
it's the military. I get it. It's a valid organization.
34:45
But also, they haven't done that since World
34:47
War II in the military, right? They've
34:50
used lethal injection. Injection,
34:53
military too? No, he wants us to be public, and
34:56
he wants to be a spectacle, and I think part of
34:58
it is, this is what happens to you when you, it's
35:00
kind of like after January 6th, and they put all
35:02
those people in prison, and they were putting
35:04
those people in the 20 years, and
35:06
harsh sentences, keeping them in. Yeah,
35:09
involuntary, sending a message. Yeah, they were
35:12
sending a message. If you don't fuck with the
35:14
state, this is what happens. No quarter given, right?
35:18
On some level, Hegseth is doing that. The wild part
35:22
about it, though, is he's doing it public. And
35:24
that's the part that I don't get. That's
35:26
the part where I'm very curious. Obviously,
35:29
it has everything to do with the political space.
35:31
They must believe on some level that this gains
35:34
them points. Otherwise, why do it public? There's
35:37
no reason not to. Yeah, there's no reason to.
35:41
He's going to be, do you think they'll back out?
35:44
Do you think they'll back off? Trump
35:46
does back off on things. He threatens things
35:48
and then doesn't do it. They're doing this. No-
35:52
brainer. Yeah, if Hasan has anything he needs
36:01
to take care of, he should take care of it in
36:03
the next few weeks because that's it. In fairness,
36:07
Hegseth is the one pushing for this. He should be
36:11
the one pulling the trigger. Agreed. Well, maybe.
36:15
I don't know. No, I'm serious. I wonder if they'll
36:17
ask for, will the soldiers who do this, carry
36:19
this out, will they be ordered to do it, or will
36:22
they ask for volunteers? I think it would be
36:24
cool if Hegseth joined in. I agree with you, Robby.
36:27
The more I think about it, I agree. He knows
36:29
how to use a gun. But that's even more spectacle,
36:31
though, which makes it a little weirder. And
36:34
would Hegseth do it? Hey, why not get Trump in there
36:37
too? Commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
36:40
They were very amped up about it. Why not? Why
36:43
not? But that's the problem with government, though.
36:46
They sit back and they press a button and somebody
36:49
dies. And you never necessarily have any consequences
36:51
from the button that they press. Meaning, if there's
36:54
negative consequences from it, they don't take
36:56
the hit for it. The people who carry that stuff
36:58
out take the hit. And that's the sad part because
37:01
it means that they're insulated from the choices
37:02
that they make. George Bush is finger painting
37:05
right now, despite the fact that he started a
37:06
war. They got all those people killed. The consequences
37:09
never really hit George Bush, despite the fact
37:11
that George Bush is the one that is marshalling
37:13
the money and the time and the manpower, et cetera,
37:15
in order to do the violence. It's so screwed up,
37:17
meaning there's no incentive for George Bush
37:20
not to do it, just like there was no incentive
37:21
for Obama not to do it, just like there was no
37:23
incentive for Trump not to do it. If they had
37:26
incentives, meaning if they had to fight the
37:29
war, they would never do the shit. Just a reminder,
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Amex bill. Appreciate that. Okay, so anything
38:04
else to say before we move on to ICE in New York
38:07
City? No, I don't think so. We always live upstream
38:14
from chaos, meaning from bad choices. We live
38:18
upstream from those bad choices. And oftentimes,
38:20
when we're dealing with the results of it, you
38:22
can't really do anything about the results of
38:24
it because it's a horrible choice that initiated
38:26
it. It's almost like you have to go to the source.
38:29
And the reality of it is, you have a point, even
38:31
though I may disagree with you in the context
38:33
of this guy, and whether this is a clean kill.
38:36
I don't like the way that sounds, but I think
38:39
you get my point. A clean case, a clean case,
38:43
and even then, as you point out, it may not be
38:46
a clean case because we don't know what was in
38:47
his mind. But either way, he killed a bunch of
38:49
people. He wounded a bunch of others. He's in the
38:52
military. The military is a violent organization.
38:54
They're going to do what they do, right? But
38:58
the issue, if you're right, has more to do
39:02
with the fact of the wars. The man is downstream
39:06
from the wars, meaning people are going out and
39:09
committing violence. Those people are damaged.
39:12
So we've damaged people in the process of the
39:14
wars. These people who claim, rah, rah, the troops.
39:16
I support the troops. But what they mean is, I
39:19
support the troops going out and killing people
39:20
abroad, which is outrageous. But it's what they
39:23
say. Supporting the troops, to me, is keep them
39:26
at home. I want my cousin at home. I don't want
39:28
my cousin fighting a war. I don't want him damaged
39:30
by killing somebody, nor do I want him damaged
39:32
by getting hit by anything. Support the troops.
39:34
Keep them home, yeah. Keep them home if you love
39:36
the troops. That's not what they mean. That is
39:38
not what they do, especially when they're in
39:40
Congress. When they say support the troops, what
39:42
they mean is support the war. They support the
39:44
wars. They support the wars. How much
39:47
time do people who say support the troops agitate
39:49
for raises or better working conditions for the
39:53
troops? They don't. Or better VA. They
39:57
support the wars. They support those troops.
39:59
Better retirement benefits, whatever. Yeah. And
40:02
I guess my point is, it's the wars that's the
40:05
issue. It's the wars that fucked up the troops.
40:07
It's the wars that those people came back and
40:10
expressed the things that they did when they
40:12
were abroad, or the things that they saw when
40:13
they were abroad. It's those things that influenced
40:16
him to do what he did. The issue is the wars.
40:19
Let's just hope that people who watch the execution
40:23
on live stream, let's just hope they don't
40:26
get traumatized and lose their minds and go on
40:29
a mass killing spree, so we'll have to kill them
40:31
on national TV too. Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's,
40:36
also this, God, it's also, it's so cheesy
40:40
and grossly, oh, we're going to execute him at
40:43
the same place, at the same time of day, on the
40:46
same day of the week as the killings took place. Could
40:51
you be any cheesier, Pete? Really trying to make
40:55
a point. It's like the Treaty of Versailles,
40:59
right? Or like when Germany had to sign a surrender
41:02
and they had to, what, in a French phone booth or
41:04
a French rail car, right? Hitler made them do
41:09
that at that rail car. Or Biden wanted to end
41:11
the Afghan war on the anniversary of 9/11. Yeah,
41:14
yeah. I hate that. I think it's what they
41:17
do. It's really cheesy of politics, symbolism of
41:21
politics. I don't think it's, well, this case is
41:24
cheesy just because they are being very dramatic
41:26
about the way they're doing it in relation to
41:28
killing somebody. Pete Hegseth is like such a shrill
41:31
girl. Really. We're going
41:34
to do this, we're going to do that. Okay, Pete,
41:38
calm down. I can't believe he's the Secretary
41:40
of Defense. Every time I see him talk, I think
41:42
to myself, how is this guy the Secretary of Defense?
41:46
I know. Right. Literally, he's in charge
41:49
of the... He's literally the biggest employment
41:52
manager on the planet. He literally supervises
41:55
the organization that hires the most people.
41:58
That guy. That fucking guy. The Fox weekend host.
42:03
That's not in any way gay and is not in any way
42:06
like men. No. He has eyes only for attractive
42:10
women, with breasts and everything. He's working
42:20
out next to the sweaty, muscle-bound hunks.
42:24
He's only thinking about tasty, delicious, white,
42:28
non-Muslim women. Okay. So there was a shooting
42:37
yesterday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon here
42:39
in New York. Yesterday. ICE in unmarked vehicles
42:43
surrounded the car of a Dominican guy. He was,
42:48
he had his five-year-old boy in the back seat.
42:50
This happened in the Marble Hill section of
42:54
the, which is better known as sort of South
42:56
Riverdale in the Bronx, which is a nice area
42:59
of the Bronx. People who are not familiar with
43:02
New York City might be thinking of Fort
43:04
Apache, the Bronx, and the old movies from the
43:07
'70s and '80s, but this is not that. This is a very
43:10
quiet, very pretty area right at the confluence
43:15
of the Hudson and Harlem rivers, and right
43:19
next to a commuter rail station. And anyway, they
43:22
surrounded him. It looks, details are still
43:25
coming out, but it looks like he was scared and
43:28
may have tried to leave. In New York
43:31
City, when masked goons in unmarked cars
43:36
try to surround you and try to keep you from
43:39
leaving, you generally are right to assume that
43:42
you're about to be carjacked. And so,
43:45
I wouldn't blame the guy at all for trying to
43:47
leave. There's mixed reports as to whether or
43:50
not he was a real criminal of any sort beyond
43:54
being undocumented. Some say yes, some say no.
43:59
Mayor Zohran Mamdani called President Trump, asked
44:03
him to let this guy go and also to kick
44:08
ICE out of New York City. Obviously, that's not
44:11
going to happen, but there's going to be, there's
44:13
going to be protests today. It's going to be a
44:16
spicy weekend in the Bronx, I think. Yeah, I saw
44:20
him surround the car. In fact, I even put the video
44:22
up of them doing it, shooting a guy, because
44:27
I thought they shot the guy. They shot him. He
44:29
went, he's in the hospital now. Yeah, he's in the
44:31
hospital, yeah, and his kid was in the back seat
44:33
of the car, meaning they were going to snatch
44:35
the guy. What were they going to do with the kid
44:36
when they snatched the guy? I don't know. He's
44:40
five years old. Five years old. And I love how
44:43
they said, oh, he's unharmed. Oh, yeah, I'm sure
44:47
he's fucking great. He had a fucking awesome
44:49
Thursday. You talking about the kid? Yeah, the
44:52
kid. Unharmed. I was like, oh, thank God the
44:54
kid is unharmed. Oh, how was your day? Eh, nothing
44:57
much happened at school today. Oh, oh, right.
44:59
Armed goons shot my father almost to
45:04
death while he was driving my car. Oh, right,
45:06
that happened. Otherwise, I'm good. Yeah, the
45:10
kid is perfectly fine after his dad got shot
45:12
by thugs. And even saying, well, the kid's not
45:16
harmed. Well, good, right? The kid shouldn't
45:20
be harmed, right? It shouldn't be a situation.
45:23
That's a win, I guess, as Pete Hegseth would say.
45:25
That's like people saying, well, I take care
45:27
of my kids. Well, they're your kids. You're supposed
45:29
to take care of them. You're not getting any
45:31
credit for that. That's your job, right? Your
45:33
job is not to harm a five-year-old child as
45:36
you go about snatching somebody out of the car.
45:39
They probably would have sent the kid to child
45:40
protective services, I would imagine. Yeah, unfortunately,
45:43
yes, as opposed to him being with his father. Yeah,
45:46
there has to be a better way to do this.
45:48
This is just an outrageous way of doing this.
45:50
And again, I don't even know if the guy was guilty
45:53
per se. I don't even know if the guy's undocumented.
45:55
Is the guy even undocumented? You can't believe
45:57
a word that comes out of this
45:59
administration. But after the way they
46:01
lied about Alex Pretti and Renee Good,
46:04
who can believe anything these have to say?
46:07
Robby, can you do me a favor and play that
46:10
video for us? Oh, right, right. Okay. Yeah, this
46:16
was the scene after they shot the guy. Hi, guys.
46:55
You see it happening here. You see it. NYPD fighting
46:58
with protesters. They're trying to put the barricades
47:00
up. Protester on the ground. He's being taken
47:10
away. This is one of those rare times when I
47:26
feel sorry for the cops. NYPD, New York City
47:29
is a sanctuary city. It does not cooperate with
47:32
ICE. It's not allowed to under both Democratic
47:35
and Republican mayoralties. And the NYPD was
47:38
not involved in this, and they did not coordinate
47:41
with ICE. But they have to go. So ICE comes in,
47:44
fucks up a perfectly quiet neighborhood in the
47:47
middle of a quiet, normal day, and now you
47:51
have civil disturbances, and it's up to the NYPD
47:53
to have to handle it. Yeah, that car. I think there
47:57
was a car in another video. They're ramming the
48:01
people to try to get out. The people are
48:04
trying to stop the car from leaving after they
48:05
shoot the guy, and the police car
48:08
or the ICE car is pushing and pushing and pushing,
48:11
and people are trying to put their bodies
48:13
on the car. And I look at that and I said to myself,
48:18
I said, that's great. I love New Yorkers. New
48:20
Yorkers are awesome. That's how people should
48:21
respond. If random
48:25
goons went after, do you remember, I forget the
48:28
city that took place where they raped the guy,
48:30
or they raped the woman in the back. And instead
48:33
of people doing it, they videotaped it. And it's
48:35
like, what the fuck is this? Right? That's not
48:38
a human response. Don't go for your phone. It's okay to video. We
48:44
know the videotaping is incredibly
48:47
powerful, but we also need people to put their
48:49
bodies between right and violence of the state
48:53
and the people. Yeah, when you see this kind of
48:56
deranged goons snatch people
49:03
out of their cars, shoot people in the middle
49:05
of the street. Yeah, that's a normal reaction to
49:09
me. That's how people should behave. It's
49:12
outrageous that they act this way. And if there
49:14
was more pressure from the public, obviously
49:16
the ICE person was terrified because they got
49:18
in the car and was literally at the point of
49:20
running people over in order to get away. They
49:22
were terrified. They should have been terrified.
49:26
They should be terrified. This stuff
49:28
is outrageous. And the only thing that stops
49:32
it, or the only thing that's somewhat of a restraint,
49:34
is the public. Do you know what I don't understand?
49:37
Why there's so much anger about this.
49:42
The dude was shot. Yeah, but did y'all
49:50
see what I shared with y'all on the chat yesterday
49:52
about how they could have probably just
49:54
knocked on his window and been like, sir, can you
49:56
roll down the window? We'd like to talk to you.
49:58
They could have. They could have worn uniforms,
50:00
and they could have had a marked car. They could
50:02
have just, 99 times out of 100, people cooperate,
50:06
and they just go. Of course, though, I get that.
50:09
Letter to go to court. Here's my question. This
50:13
guy's getting the protest. Fair enough. Where
50:16
are the protests about the Trump administration?
50:18
I don't know if you saw the articles I sent y'all
50:20
about 250,000 visas being revoked by the
50:25
anti-Semitism czar. And these people are going
50:28
to be sent home. And the crime that they committed
50:31
was they came into the country legally to go
50:35
to school. And because they oppose a genocide,
50:39
are getting kicked out. But yet you have these
50:41
people here who are tearing up the city because
50:46
a guy who may or may not be illegal, I have no
50:51
idea, was shot by law enforcement. Of the two,
50:57
what our government is doing with the attack
50:59
on free speech is much worse. But there's not
51:02
a word about it. Robby, we could talk about
51:05
both. I know, but I'm not talking about you and
51:08
Ted. I'm talking about the man on the
51:10
street. No, we know. We just saw these people out
51:14
there, calling the NYPD fascists and all this
51:16
other stuff. Fair enough. So where are those same
51:20
people when our government is directly attacking
51:23
the First Amendment and the freedom of speech?
51:25
There's nothing, right? Wait, wait a minute, Robby.
51:27
These people saw somebody get shot. I get that.
51:31
Somebody gets snatched and put into a car, and
51:33
they're in the moment responding to what they
51:35
saw. So you think that's the difference? That's
51:37
the difference. Yeah, I think there's a difference
51:39
because it's happening in the moment. If you
51:41
talk to them outside of this, say you meet them
51:43
at McDonald's and be like, hey, how do you feel
51:45
about this? They may agree with you. They may
51:47
say that's outrageous that the state is doing
51:50
that. They probably would. Politically, they're
51:52
the same people, yeah. Yeah, I get it. But why
51:55
does one get a protest and the other one doesn't?
51:57
Of the two, the attack on free speech
52:00
is so much worse. I guess I'm trying to make
52:02
the point of, they just watched somebody get shot.
52:05
That's it. And they are responding to the facts.
52:07
And by the way, this is... Well, in politics,
52:10
optics are everything. But it's also kind of
52:12
like... I don't want to bring up my ex again,
52:15
but I will bring it up. There is a certain person
52:17
that she would bring up that would annoy the
52:18
hell out of me. And she would say innocently,
52:21
well, I just want to have a conversation about
52:23
this. It's like, but dude, we've had this conversation
52:25
for years. This conversation has never
52:27
gone well. And the conversation is not just the
52:29
conversation that we're having. It's kind of
52:31
that with ICE, right? It's like, we've seen
52:34
you kill people in other states. We've seen you
52:36
snatch people off the street in other states.
52:38
It's outrageous that you're doing it. And we've
52:39
just watched you kill somebody in New York. It's
52:41
not about this individual. It's about the totality
52:44
of it. I agree with you. And yeah, as I pointed
52:47
out, these people will probably agree with you
52:48
about the free speech stuff. It affects many,
53:05
many more people. It's about an even more important
53:10
principle, which is the principle of free speech.
53:13
But the point is that it's abstract. A bunch
53:18
of people got emails and letters saying that
53:21
they were going to have their visas revoked.
53:23
That's not the same thing as you went to the
53:27
deli to get a sandwich and armed goons shoot
53:30
a guy in front of his little kid. That's
53:32
just, it's just, it's not
53:34
necessarily, I don't know, rational. It's not
53:39
either/or. You can have rage for both.
53:42
They're responding to something that happened
53:44
in the moment. This is something that is happening
53:47
in their neighborhood, right, in front of them.
53:50
It's in front of them. It's just in front of
53:52
them. But it's not like they disagree. Robby's
53:53
not wrong. Right. It's not like they disagree
53:55
with Robby in this. They probably would agree.
53:57
It's New York. Yeah. And in terms of,
54:00
both deserve the protests, of course, obviously.
54:05
All right, so... He's absolutely right about
54:10
that. That's outrageous. We have a First Amendment,
54:13
and they are completely raping the First Amendment.
54:19
John Doe's asking me, do I not believe in the
54:21
death penalty? Well, I believe the death penalty
54:23
exists, but I don't think we should have one.
54:27
Because I don't think the state should
54:29
set that low standard of behavior by killing
54:32
people, even though they, in many cases, deserve it.
54:35
Also, do I think our country should have a military?
54:37
Yes, we should have a military large enough to
54:40
defend our borders, no bigger than that. We can,
54:45
if we need more, we can raise one. But yeah,
54:48
we should have a purely defensive military.
54:51
Let's see. Five dollars from James Kelly.
54:56
Thank you very much. I agree he should be taken
54:58
out, just taken out. To stream it should not, to
55:03
stream it should not happen. I guess basically,
55:05
kill him but don't stream it. Why not? Whoa, wait.
55:10
I had a conversation with my mom about this last
55:13
night. Yeah. I don't think it should be live, and
55:20
my thing was, why not? Why sanitize it? If
55:23
indeed the state is going to do it. What was
55:25
her answer? It's just that it's, as Robby said
55:27
before the show, it's ghoulish, which it is.
55:29
It's protest. Yeah. It's just the idea of murder.
55:32
That's why I want it to be public, because it
55:33
is ghoulish. And that's exactly why I want it
55:35
on public also, because it's happening anyway.
55:38
Yeah. It's ours. We should own it. Daniel, do
55:45
you guys believe that soldiers who fragged their
55:47
officers in the genocidal Vietnam War should
55:50
have been executed too? No. That's an interesting
55:54
question. Well, I don't believe in the death
55:55
penalty, so no. But that's a fascinating question.
55:59
But I can't say that under that system, they
56:03
didn't deserve to be punished. Obviously,
56:06
they deserved to be punished under
56:09
that system. But are they also
56:13
heroes? Yeah, they were heroes, too. You
56:17
can be a hero who deserved to be punished. When
56:19
people are doing horrible things, meaning we
56:24
are the bad guys in Vietnam. We weren't the good
56:26
guys, right? No. And somebody kills the officer.
56:29
It's a guy doing a good thing for killing the
56:32
officer, considering we were the bad guys. Question
56:36
I have. Some people in the chat asking what I'm
56:38
talking about, about Trump's anti-Semitism czar.
56:41
Y'all mind if I play the clip real quick, please?
56:43
Okay, just one second here, because this is,
56:49
this is a place where everyone should be able
56:51
to come on and agree about how bad this is.
56:55
You were the one where I saw this from. I was
56:57
like, I know that story. And I couldn't remember
57:01
why I know this story. You're the one who put
57:03
that up there. Let me see if I can make it work.
57:07
God damn it. That train is weird. There's no
57:22
audio. Well, let's just pretend like we know
57:26
what he's saying. I'll have the Quarter Pounder
57:28
with lettuce, tomato, mayonnaise. What? He said
57:33
Quarter Pounder? While you're doing that, Macadamia,
57:38
thanks for the dollar. Give Pete Hegseth a break.
57:41
Killing Iranian Muslims is turning out to be
57:43
harder than I expected. Let him have this. So
57:49
true, right? We got to take our wins where we
57:51
can get them, right? The Muslim thing is very
57:55
disgusting. It's grotesque. It goes to the thing
58:01
of why. Well, it's like, why are they making
58:04
this live? And are they making this live because
58:06
they think they can get some political benefit
58:08
out of it? And that would be the only reason
58:10
that I think they would do it live. And then
58:11
it's like, okay, but what's the political benefit
58:13
that you're getting out of this? There's a good
58:17
suggestion here from Philip Blair that we should
58:19
bring on Margaret Kimberley, that it would be
58:22
interesting to watch Robby and Jamarl debate
58:25
me and Ted. Her and me. I think, yeah,
58:31
I love Margaret. By all means, if we
58:34
can get her, we should have her on just for whatever
58:35
reason. Who is she? I don't know her. Oh, she
58:40
runs Black Agenda Report. She is fantastic. She's
58:42
the editor of Black Agenda Report. If you were
58:46
suddenly surrounded by masked, heavily armed
58:49
men, wouldn't you go into action hero mode? TV
58:52
didn't train you for this moment? Yeah, I would.
58:56
No, let me just say, to the extent that this
58:59
63-year-old guy can do that. Yeah, no,
59:02
if, when I was a cabbie, Brooklyn
59:08
was a very dangerous place in the '80s. And I
59:11
didn't like to go to Brooklyn because it was
59:13
a very dangerous place. And you'd end up with
59:15
an empty cab coming back because nobody ever
59:17
took cabs from Brooklyn to Manhattan. Anyway,
59:19
one time I took, I made a mistake and I took
59:23
someone to Brooklyn. I forget what neighborhood.
59:26
Anyway, the point is there were three or four
59:29
guys blocking the road, all with
59:32
two-by-fours, and they were basically like,
59:34
stop, get out of the car, and give us your money.
59:37
And I was fully cognizant of
59:40
the fact that I was driving a 2,500-pound vehicle,
59:43
and they were just three or four guys with
59:46
boards. So I rolled down the window and I was
59:49
like, get the fuck out of the way or I'm running right
59:52
over you. And then I just gunned it and went. They
59:56
worked good for everybody, including the damage
59:59
to my car. They jumped out of the way, and I
1:00:01
was on my way back to Manhattan. But my point
1:00:04
is, I would never have lost any sleep over killing
1:00:07
those guys. And it's like, that's, if
1:00:12
armed masked men surround you, even
1:00:16
Mayor Mamdani, to his credit, said this yesterday.
1:00:19
He said there's no difference between random
1:00:21
unmarked, between ICE and random goons. They
1:00:25
are the same because they don't carry ID. They
1:00:28
don't present. They don't identify themselves.
1:00:31
In New York City, if random assholes in vans
1:00:34
and cars surround you, it is reasonable for you
1:00:37
to think that very bad things are about to happen
1:00:40
to you and that you should defend yourself. Yes.
1:00:43
I think that's reasonable anywhere. But in New
1:00:45
York City, it's really reasonable. I think they're
1:00:48
missing your point. Your point is you don't want
1:00:49
the state doing this. If you have to defend yourself,
1:00:52
that's different. Totally. I think I've got to
1:00:55
work. I'm not a pacifist at all. I am not a pacifist.
1:00:59
Just one second. I got it to work. Okay, great.
1:01:03
Perfect. We have withdrawn from international
1:01:07
bodies, and we have reinvigorated hate crime
1:01:12
prosecutions, and we have worked in an unprecedented
1:01:18
manner, unprecedented measures. He signed an
1:01:23
executive order and protected the students on
1:01:28
college campuses. On drugs, that anti-Semitism
1:01:32
is something that cabinet officials can deal
1:01:34
with. If you have trouble falling asleep, we've
1:01:37
implemented a rigorous visa vetting process. Over
1:01:42
250,000 visas have been revoked. We have worked
1:01:48
with countries to educate in their curriculum
1:01:52
to not hate. We have withdrawn from international
1:01:56
bodies. Okay, we heard that part. And we have reinvigorated
1:02:01
hate crime prosecutions. I wouldn't know what
1:02:04
hate speech is. And we have an unprecedented...
1:02:09
The idea that the only hate that they're
1:02:12
talking about is obviously against Jews, while
1:02:18
I assume that there is some hatred for Jews. The
1:02:22
idea that this is out of the blue is nonsense.
1:02:24
Israel is committing a genocide. They call
1:02:28
themselves a Jewish state as they commit that
1:02:30
genocide. Some people, not entirely paying attention,
1:02:33
may conflate Judaism with the genocide. What
1:02:38
was taking place on the college campuses, although
1:02:40
far fewer than you would expect given the situation.
1:02:43
Yes. Agree. Meaning it's not like
1:02:48
people were getting beat up at college campuses
1:02:49
in the way that these people are talking about.
1:02:52
Nonsense. There's literally, there is
1:02:55
no, let's move this way. I don't want
1:02:58
to sound like the people who say there is no
1:03:00
genocide, because there's certainly a genocide,
1:03:02
but there kind of is no campus anti-Semitism
1:03:08
surge. Yeah, there may have
1:03:12
been some. There may have been some incidents
1:03:13
here and there, but there's certainly no trend
1:03:16
toward greater anti-Semitism on American college
1:03:19
and university campuses. That's just not true.
1:03:22
Yeah, I know. By the premise, I agree. Agree. I don't
1:03:25
doubt that random events happen, but they're not
1:03:28
systemic, and it's not like there's this massive
1:03:31
swath of people going after Jews. I don't buy
1:03:34
that. Not enough to justify any change in policy
1:03:37
or behavior. Let's put it that way. Yeah, those
1:03:40
schools should afford it, as opposed to just
1:03:42
kind of bending over and acquiescing to it. They
1:03:43
should afford it. But you've got to remember,
1:03:45
this is obviously not America First. They're
1:03:50
literally, just like Robby said, going after
1:03:52
free speech of people who may have said something
1:03:55
about a genocide. I don't like the fact that
1:03:57
they're murdering women and children. All right,
1:03:59
we're going to stop you and revoke your visa.
1:04:00
You've got to remember, they're using the ADL's definition
1:04:03
of anti-Semitism, which conflates criticism of
1:04:08
the state of Israel. They say it is the
1:04:11
Jewish state, and if you criticize the Jewish
1:04:13
state, by virtue of that criticism, you're
1:04:17
an anti-Semite. That's where this is coming from.
1:04:19
True anti-Semite, like a neo-Nazi and all that.
1:04:23
I'm not so sure they need to get a visa
1:04:25
to come here as a tourist or as a student,
1:04:28
but I would say the same thing about someone
1:04:30
who expressed any kind of ethnic hate of any
1:04:33
kind, anti-Black, anti-white, anti-Hispanic,
1:04:37
whatever. It's like, I don't really know if we
1:04:39
need those people, but there's no special exception
1:04:43
for anti-Semitism, and I also, and anti-Zionism
1:04:46
does not count. I want to see mass protests over
1:04:51
crap like this. That's what matters, because this
1:04:54
is an attack on every single person in this country.
1:04:57
If you have free speech, you've got nothing at
1:05:00
that point, and that's what this is. But those
1:05:03
people aren't Americans. Those people need visas
1:05:06
to come here. Yeah, I know. And they anticipate,
1:05:10
this point, multiple times. You have the right
1:05:13
to constitutional protections in this country.
1:05:16
And one of those things is to be able to say,
1:05:19
I oppose this. This is wrong. You do not get
1:05:23
to go through and kill 140,000 people. Robby,
1:05:27
to get people to show up to a protest demonstration,
1:05:30
as you know, whether you're on the right or on
1:05:32
the left, it's arbitrary. You can lead
1:05:36
a horse to a protest, but you can't make him
1:05:39
show up, right? You had one last night of a Dominican
1:05:41
guy getting shot. Don't feed me that. Well, that
1:05:44
was not an organized protest, okay? That's not
1:05:47
one of those things where, hey, next Saturday,
1:05:50
everybody go, 10 o'clock, be there, be square.
1:05:54
This is a spontaneous eruption on the streets
1:05:57
of a densely populated city. That's not,
1:06:01
it's not the same thing. So if you go on Facebook
1:06:04
or you put flyers up in the neighborhood and
1:06:06
you say, everybody, hey, let's protest
1:06:09
the 250,000 visas denied to people who were
1:06:13
critics of Israel, you might get millions of people
1:06:16
to show up. You might not. It's like,
1:06:18
just people who, street organizers who
1:06:22
are engaged in this, they know how hard it is
1:06:25
to get people to show up. And so,
1:06:30
it's like, you can say, well, people, I have all sorts
1:06:33
of issues that I think people should be up in
1:06:35
arms about, not least of which would be
1:06:38
the fact that there's no health care in this
1:06:39
country, but they're not. What
1:06:42
Ted Rall wants is good. Well, that'll
1:06:44
get one person there. Maybe that's about it.
1:06:48
So you get two, I'm sure. Maybe two. All right.
1:06:52
Thank you, JT. I appreciate you. All right. So
1:06:55
we're in the second hour here. We go to 11
1:06:57
o'clock. It's 10:07 here on the East Coast. So
1:07:00
we're now sort of in the Q&A part of the show.
1:07:03
We're going to continue to bring you up to date
1:07:06
on the news. And thank you so much for joining
1:07:07
us. But questions, particularly the paid ones,
1:07:12
are going to get priority here. That would be
1:07:14
the Rumble Rants and the Super Chats on YouTube.
1:07:18
And we'll take a few questions and we'll move
1:07:20
on to this story about the latest
1:07:25
from the Iran war. So, okay, let's see what we got
1:07:28
here. If you were, oh yeah, you already got that
1:07:32
one, Robby. I want you to notice this. Bad Cookies,
1:07:35
your xenophobia is what causes this iteration
1:07:38
of ICE. There are others like you, Robby, in the
1:07:43
USA who love that ICE is offing Americans. They
1:07:48
call those victims traitors. Probably you deserve
1:07:51
the right to answer that. I have nowhere to start
1:07:56
because I have said multiple times, Trump is doing
1:07:59
the right thing the wrong way. I support mass
1:08:02
deportations. I oppose the ICE is doing, and I oppose
1:08:04
the militarized police force. So, Bad Cookies,
1:08:08
I don't know what you're smoking, but you may
1:08:10
want to up your dose. Okay, then. All right.
1:08:18
The Pentagon has been asked by Donald Trump to
1:08:21
develop a three-day plan to bomb Iranian drone
1:08:27
and missile and energy facilities as well as
1:08:30
military targets. But whenever they get close
1:08:34
to doing it, they don't do it. And Trump just
1:08:37
decides like, okay, well, okay, maybe later.
1:08:40
Also, the Houthis have been hitting Riyadh. And
1:08:44
it turns out we've lost a lot more. As you know,
1:08:47
Jamarl, you've mentioned many times here on the
1:08:50
program, there's been a lot more damage to
1:08:53
American facilities, including military aircraft
1:08:56
and drones and so on, than has been previously
1:09:00
uncovered, revealed. Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat
1:09:03
of Connecticut, says that the Pentagon is covering
1:09:07
things up, slow-walking the reports, trying to
1:09:09
minimize the damage, even downplaying the number
1:09:12
of U.S. casual, physical casualties that we're
1:09:14
suffering among servicemen and service-
1:09:17
women. So what is this? What do you think
1:09:22
is on the president's mind? Clearly, he knows that
1:09:25
the war is wildly unpopular. Eight out of ten,
1:09:29
America, sorry, seven out of ten Americans are
1:09:31
against it. That includes a lot of Republicans.
1:09:35
You can see people turning against the Republicans
1:09:38
in the midterms in large part because of this
1:09:40
war that's taken all of his attention while he's
1:09:44
ignoring the affordability crisis. Why is he
1:09:49
kicking this can down? Well, first of all, is he
1:09:52
really going to kick the can down the road toward
1:09:55
the midterms, or might he decide, could this be
1:09:58
deflection, and then there'll be a sneak
1:10:00
attack? And hasn't he already hit everything?
1:10:04
That he's going to hit. This war has been going
1:10:06
on for months. U.S. and Israel's been bombing
1:10:09
the hell out of Iran. What did they forget? Something.
1:10:13
Did they leave something for later
1:10:15
on purpose? How does this make any sense?
1:10:17
Well, there are other schools. There are other
1:10:20
weddings. So, yeah, good point. Other targets.
1:10:24
I do, look, I think Trump will
1:10:29
start bombing back. They're wildly apart in regards
1:10:32
to any kind of deal, any kind of agreement. And
1:10:34
the fact of the matter is, how could Iran trust
1:10:36
anything coming out of Trump's mouth? The U.S.
1:10:42
can't even make deals with countries that are
1:10:44
equals, right, that Donald Trump actually respects
1:10:48
on some level, like Russia or China. He's not
1:10:51
going to make a deal with a country that he doesn't
1:10:53
respect, right? And from Trump's point of view,
1:10:56
we spend a trillion dollars on the military.
1:10:58
They spend a fraction of that. They're a smaller
1:11:00
country. They should be able, we should be able
1:11:03
to win that. That's the way he looks at it. And
1:11:05
so he's doing everything by hook or by crook
1:11:07
to try to get some kind of advantage and try
1:11:09
to, quote, win it. The problem that he's having
1:11:12
is there's no military solution, right? So it's
1:11:16
like, okay, there's no military solution. So
1:11:17
what do you do as Donald Trump? You started a
1:11:19
war. You don't want to back out of that war because
1:11:21
everybody's going to scream that you lost. And
1:11:24
so you keep being engaged. In one sense, you
1:11:27
try to back away from it. But Iran is still hitting
1:11:31
ships as the ships are trying to transit the
1:11:34
Strait of Hormuz. And it makes you look very
1:11:37
weak. It makes you look like you've lost the
1:11:39
war. And so he just stays still. You can't go
1:11:43
forward. Coming backward doesn't seem to be an
1:11:45
option. Standing still ultimately kills your
1:11:48
economy. You have to do something. And so Donald
1:11:51
Trump, who is not going to accept the MOU, is
1:11:55
probably going to go back to bombing, despite
1:11:56
the fact that bombing wasn't a solution that
1:11:59
solved the issue. In fact, it just made the issue
1:12:01
worse. And knowing full well that if he goes
1:12:04
too far, Iran's response could be withering.
1:12:08
So what is a president to do? And I suspect he's
1:12:12
going to go on a bombing campaign that tries
1:12:13
to minimize... Well, we'll see. He's definitely
1:12:17
going to go on a bombing campaign again. The
1:12:20
catch becomes, what is the extent of that bombing
1:12:22
campaign? Because if he goes too far... And the
1:12:24
timing. And the timing of it. Yeah. But I think
1:12:28
it's going to happen. It's just a matter of when.
1:12:30
He may be dithering now because he realizes, or
1:12:34
probably realized, that there's no military solution
1:12:36
to it. And he may even on some level think, maybe
1:12:39
if I wait for the midterms, maybe if I wait for
1:12:42
the midterms, they won't turn out to be that
1:12:44
bad. But I think he has the, well, to be honest,
1:12:47
I don't know what's in his mind. Rational man
1:12:50
would understand. Does he know what's in his
1:12:54
mind? Well, there's that too. I'm not
1:12:58
even kidding. Pursuant to our conversation earlier
1:13:01
about the death penalty and Hasan, if Donald
1:13:05
Trump picked up a gun and went on a rampage in
1:13:08
the White House and killed a bunch of people,
1:13:11
I'm not sure he should be convicted because I
1:13:15
think he is insane now. You know what's funny
1:13:18
about that? Lawrence O'Donnell was doing a monologue.
1:13:22
And Lawrence O'Donnell says the president is
1:13:24
insane. The president is out of his mind. People
1:13:26
should say the president is out of his mind.
1:13:28
And yet nobody would say the president is out
1:13:30
of his mind. And that should be the biggest story
1:13:33
in the world, that the president is out of his
1:13:35
mind. And I thought to myself, he's right. Dude, you are one of these people backing Joe
1:13:41
Biden, the Democratic Party. The Democrat
1:13:46
is making that argument. In fact, I was going
1:13:47
to cut that clip to do a video on that clip.
1:13:50
That's how, wow, to me, that's right now. But
1:13:52
the problem is he has no standing because he
1:13:55
has no standing. That's why nobody does it. Do
1:13:58
you know how much abuse those of us who are complaining
1:14:02
about Joe Biden's lunacy for four years,
1:14:06
from the left, how much abuse we got? I
1:14:09
mean, it was like, oh, what, you want Donald
1:14:12
Trump? Is that what you want? And I was like, the
1:14:15
man is insane. I would say the same thing about
1:14:18
if Bernie Sanders got in there and was behaving
1:14:21
the way Joe Biden was acting, I would have said
1:14:24
the same thing, that he should be removed under
1:14:26
the 25th Amendment, that he was insane. It's
1:14:30
like, integrity calls for putting your country
1:14:33
and your party above. You're like,
1:14:36
well, this is my team. And yeah, he's
1:14:38
got a few advisors in there who are really running
1:14:40
the show. It's insane. And I
1:14:43
said this at the time, Democrats are
1:14:46
going to lose their standing to criticize a future
1:14:48
Republican president who's incapacitated. And
1:14:51
here we are already. Yep. And you were absolutely
1:14:55
right. Because I watched the video and I thought
1:14:57
to myself, who the hell are you? I just thought
1:15:00
about something. He is right. It should be the
1:15:04
biggest story in the world, like it should have
1:15:06
been in 2021. Yes. Yeah. I was amazed by that
1:15:10
argument because I'm sitting there like, dude,
1:15:12
you guys protected Joe Biden like nobody's business.
1:15:16
And now Donald Trump is in there clearly insane.
1:15:20
Yeah. And it's very hard for anybody to say it
1:15:23
because saying it is immediate hypocrisy of the
1:15:26
previous administration. It's just wild to hear
1:15:29
him make that argument. Yeah, he's right.
1:15:31
I have a question for y'all. Do y'all think
1:15:34
that Trump and his administration is more pissed
1:15:36
off about Iran holding the world economy hostage,
1:15:39
or about the Lego videos? Of the two, which one
1:15:43
do y'all think? Serious question. Which one
1:15:45
pisses them off the most? Probably the Lego videos.
1:15:48
It's the Lego videos. Oh, 100%. Yeah, he doesn't
1:15:52
care. I think you're right. It's all about ego
1:15:55
with them. He cannot admit that he lost the war.
1:15:59
That's exactly it. It was hilarious. Marco Rubio's
1:16:03
like, keep making those stupid Lego videos. He's
1:16:05
like, oh, it's under your skin. It's under your
1:16:08
skin. Yeah, yeah. The Lego videos are awesome.
1:16:12
Oh, my God. He learned to fly on television.
1:16:20
Oh, my God. All right, so. Again, we're taking
1:16:25
your questions. It's the Q&A portion of the
1:16:27
show. Okay, here we go. We need all of your contributions.
1:16:33
Philip Blair, Robby is speaking out of economic
1:16:35
fear. Bad Cookies, Robby is based, except when
1:16:40
he speaks out of fear. Fear blocks thinking,
1:16:42
fear blocks compassion. Fear is the mind-killer.
1:16:48
I agree with, generally, that fear is very bad.
1:16:52
Fear. I will let fear pass through me. I will
1:16:55
not be uncomfortable. Oh, that's Bene Gesserit.
1:16:58
Bad Cookies. Oh, I agree. It's that fear that
1:17:02
feeds his xenophobia. It's that fear the system
1:17:04
uses to enact their Gestapo. Hence, Robby should
1:17:07
own it. It's his people that gives ICE credence.
1:17:10
Okay, we've been through all that. Okay, there's
1:17:13
more put back and forth on Robby. Poor Robby,
1:17:16
having to defend himself here, but he can handle
1:17:19
it. I love being psychoanalyzed by people on
1:17:22
the internet. It's always funny. It's
1:17:28
awesome. Well, the thing is, does fear play a
1:17:32
part into it? Yeah, because if there is an economic
1:17:35
collapse, and if you have a country of 360 million
1:17:38
people, and it falls apart, what happens then?
1:17:43
A lot of people are going to die. A lot of people
1:17:45
are going to die. And one of the ways that we
1:17:48
have, one of the tools that we have to fix that
1:17:50
problem is increasing wages so it keeps up with
1:17:54
the cost of living. As long as you have mass
1:17:57
immigration, both legal and illegal, you are
1:18:00
never going to have a wage increase to match
1:18:03
the cost of living. That's not me being xenophobic.
1:18:07
That's math. The math is a racist. So, yeah, is
1:18:12
there some fear there? 100%. I
1:18:15
have an 18-year-old daughter and a 17-year-old
1:18:17
son. You bet your butt I'm afraid. I'd have no
1:18:21
idea what kind of country would be, that
1:18:22
they're going to inherit. I don't know the country's
1:18:24
going to exist. And if it does, I don't, be split
1:18:27
apart with a bunch of warring tribes. That's the
1:18:30
last thing I want. So, yeah, am I worried? You bet
1:18:35
your sweet butt about it. But it's not about xenophobia.
1:18:38
It's about the mismanagement of our country and
1:18:40
the fact that our government puts every other
1:18:43
special interest group on this planet first over
1:18:47
the American people. You bet your butt. Okay,
1:18:53
then. So, just a reminder, and we do need your
1:18:59
support, so if you are so inclined, blah, blah,
1:19:01
blah. Okay, the Trump administration, and I suspect
1:19:06
Robby will have things to say about this, is
1:19:10
going after H-1B visa holders. And I think there's
1:19:12
more to this story than just the usual immigration
1:19:14
debate. J.D. Vance is basically the talking point
1:19:18
on this. He said that companies like Adobe and
1:19:23
Microsoft and IT outsourcing firms are abusing
1:19:28
the green card, H-1B, and the H-1B visa programs
1:19:32
to replace American workers, quote, with what
1:19:35
is effectively foreign indentured servants. Also,
1:19:38
at the same press conference, Vance and other
1:19:42
officials announced investigations into nine
1:19:45
major universities like Harvard, Yale, and Stanford
1:19:47
that they said basically were bringing people
1:19:53
in to study, allegedly, like, hey, you're welcome
1:19:56
to come here for two or three or four years or
1:19:58
whatever, and then basically setting them up
1:20:01
to work rather than sending them back home afterwards.
1:20:06
This is all true. This is absolutely all
1:20:10
true, and Vance is right about all this. And
1:20:14
I don't know how much political resonance
1:20:17
it has, but it's all true, and it's disgusting
1:20:21
at a time of high unemployment and underemployment
1:20:23
and systemic underemployment. I thought
1:20:27
we have to talk about the reality
1:20:30
of it. We have to talk about the politics of it
1:20:33
too. I was thinking, Vance is now looking
1:20:37
ahead towards his presidential campaign, right?
1:20:40
And the question is, what is he going to have
1:20:43
to point at? I think this is that. I think that
1:20:47
he's going to try to position himself as much
1:20:50
as he can under the shadow of Donald Trump as
1:20:53
the America First reset. He's the heir of MAGA.
1:20:58
But he's more suspicious of the foreign entanglements
1:21:02
and the neoconservatism of people like Marco
1:21:05
Rubio. And this is all about signifying. This
1:21:09
is why he's at the microphone. We're doing this.
1:21:13
We're going after the H-1B, people who are taking
1:21:15
American jobs. We're going after these giant
1:21:18
corporations, which are exploiting American workers,
1:21:22
as well as foreigners who are coming to work
1:21:24
for too little. I think it's a pretty smart play,
1:21:30
personally. Yeah, agree. He's doing
1:21:36
what he said, or he's doing what Trump said he
1:21:38
was going to do, kind of like this is an America
1:21:40
First policy that is being effectively led by
1:21:45
J.D. Vance. They used to do it in
1:21:48
the Biden administration. They tried to with
1:21:49
Harris, where she was like, the border czar. That
1:21:52
was supposed to be her thing. Right. And that's
1:21:54
what they do. They set up the VP in order to
1:21:56
be able to run later on. Hillary Clinton, in
1:21:58
her case, was secretary of state, but she was
1:22:00
also set up to run. She did her two years. She
1:22:04
had an 80 approval rating while she was
1:22:05
the secretary of state, and then she runs, and
1:22:08
of course it goes into the toilet. But Obama set
1:22:11
her up to run also. This is kind of what
1:22:13
presidents do. So this is kind of a signal that
1:22:16
J.D. Vance most likely is going to run for the
1:22:17
presidency at the end of Trump's term. And
1:22:21
it's a good policy, right? In fact,
1:22:24
it's kind of a good policy. It's a good policy
1:22:27
if you had free college for Americans, or if you
1:22:30
had college that was deeply reduced in
1:22:34
costs, or if you had public colleges
1:22:36
where people can go for inexpensive or not much
1:22:39
money. Then the reason why I say that is, ultimately,
1:22:41
what you want is Americans taking those jobs.
1:22:43
But if you want Americans to take those jobs,
1:22:45
Americans have to be educated to take those jobs.
1:22:49
And if Americans are not educated to take those
1:22:51
jobs, then there will be holes in those jobs.
1:22:53
It's like, okay, well, how do you get Americans
1:22:54
to be educated for the jobs? Well, you have to
1:22:56
make college affordable in a way that they will
1:22:58
be able to get the slots to get the education
1:23:00
to get the jobs, as opposed to just saying, well,
1:23:04
we're just importing indentured servants. Right.
1:23:07
You can't have it both ways. There will be shortages
1:23:10
in positions if indeed you don't have a decent
1:23:15
education system to get people in a position
1:23:16
to be able to take the positions that you need
1:23:19
them for. And so it's not that I disagree with
1:23:22
the position. I just, I agree what he's doing. Americans
1:23:25
can do those jobs in a position to be able to
1:23:28
do them. I agree with everything you just said,
1:23:32
and I would add also as a supplement that
1:23:35
there could be some tax incentives for
1:23:38
corporations to train workers. A lot of times,
1:23:42
it's not like colleges don't
1:23:44
really train people to do a lot of jobs. They
1:23:47
educate them, but they don't train them. But,
1:23:50
seriously, I would have no problem with
1:23:53
giving companies tax breaks to
1:23:56
fund paid internships and apprenticeships
1:24:00
and so on to bring people on. Like, hey, this is
1:24:03
a training program. You'll work here for a year.
1:24:06
You're acknowledging the fact that while
1:24:08
a company is training someone, they're not really
1:24:11
getting a lot of productivity out of them. So,
1:24:13
we'll make it worth your while. I'd
1:24:15
certainly rather spend money that way than on
1:24:18
Israel. Yeah. I'm not against that, I
1:24:26
suppose. But I want people to be able to go to
1:24:29
school if they want to go to school. For
1:24:32
example, a tech company. A tech company, there's
1:24:34
a prerequisite of knowledge that you require
1:24:37
in order to be able to get, let's say, a tech
1:24:39
job. Okay, I want people to be able to get that
1:24:42
prerequisite of knowledge. And I don't necessarily
1:24:44
want to entirely leave it up to the company to
1:24:46
create school in the company to do it. I
1:24:48
don't know. Your point. A lot of what you learn
1:24:53
in software is on the job because each company
1:24:56
does it slightly different. They use different
1:24:57
tools. One company will use VB.NET. Another
1:25:00
company will use... And tech moves so fast that
1:25:02
what you learned two years ago, even at a great
1:25:05
college, is obsolete by the time you graduate.
1:25:07
True. Kind of, kind of, but not the skills. Can
1:25:11
be. For example, if you lost, if
1:25:15
you learn basic software and the company switches
1:25:19
to a new software platform, you
1:25:22
probably can learn it because the logic is going
1:25:24
to be the same. The language and syntax is going
1:25:26
to be different. The objects might be different,
1:25:28
but the logic is the same. The logic is what you
1:25:31
learn in school. The other stuff is what you learn
1:25:33
in the company when you take on the job in the
1:25:35
company, if that makes sense. We had a guy
1:25:37
who came on to, I used to work in a company
1:25:40
here in Richmond that was an automotive company,
1:25:43
and the guy came on. He knew nothing about the
1:25:45
software. He understood software. He did software
1:25:48
in the past, but he knew nothing about the new
1:25:50
language, and it took him, God, took him months
1:25:52
to get up to speed on the language. But the company
1:25:55
trained him in the language, even though he knew
1:25:58
the basics of software. That makes sense
1:26:00
to me. But if he had to come on fresh and didn't
1:26:03
know anything, that'd be rough. Yeah. When I worked
1:26:07
at the bank, I only had a,
1:26:10
I didn't even have a bachelor's degree at the
1:26:11
time, and I didn't study economics anyway. But
1:26:14
they hired an MBA from Wharton, and I was assigned
1:26:18
to train her, and I just thought that was hilarious.
1:26:21
Really? Three years. Three years of, well, because
1:26:23
I've been actually working as a banker. She
1:26:27
just went to Wharton. That's not the same thing
1:26:29
as working in banking. Right, right. But she had
1:26:32
basics. She had prerequisite knowledge. Not
1:26:35
really. Not really. She was dumb. It was... No, she
1:26:39
wasn't dumb. It's just that her education was
1:26:41
completely irrelevant to the job. I see. So,
1:26:45
okay. Well, I would agree with you. And I guess
1:26:47
it would depend on the job. Software is a little
1:26:49
bit different. I've never worked in a bank. Yeah,
1:26:52
again, banking is always changing. There's
1:26:55
always new financial instruments. There's always
1:26:58
new things. Whatever. Thom Tillis,
1:27:02
this is just breaking on the Hill, Republican
1:27:04
of North Carolina, became one of the first respondents
1:27:09
about this live streaming of Fort Hood shooter
1:27:13
Nidal Hasan. So this is a Republican from North
1:27:17
Carolina, probably not a big socialist, a democratic
1:27:20
socialist. Thom Tillis says, Hasan should face
1:27:24
the death penalty, but making his execution public
1:27:27
and streaming it, beyond disgusting. Public executions
1:27:31
are what oppressive dictatorships like Iran and
1:27:35
Afghanistan do. It should not be happening in
1:27:38
America. And Saudi Arabia. Yeah. It was like,
1:27:43
let's not put out a U.S. ally. Right, right,
1:27:48
right. Exactly. Yeah, Saudi Arabia had a guy
1:27:50
chopped over the bone saw. Are you serious right
1:27:51
now? You can say it wasn't public. No, it was
1:27:55
sneaky, even though it was recorded sneakily
1:27:58
by the Turks. Look, why is it that, okay, why
1:28:08
is it that oppressive governments, as he pointed
1:28:10
out, and he's using oppressive as a negative, oppressive
1:28:13
governments, well, I guess oppressive government
1:28:15
is a negative by definition, but oppressive governments
1:28:17
do this, but rational governments don't? We just
1:28:22
kill them in private. Okay, what's the difference?
1:28:25
Oh, here's Chris Murphy. Yeah, he's trying to make
1:28:28
the argument that Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut,
1:28:31
who we talked about in a different context earlier,
1:28:33
said, what is Trump mimicking ISIS executions?
1:28:37
I understand in this country we have
1:28:39
the death penalty, but public execution is medieval.
1:28:43
This is just absolutely extraordinary, galling.
1:28:47
No matter whether you support or oppose the death
1:28:49
penalty, public hangings and executions, that's
1:28:52
what America has become. That's what America
1:28:55
has always been. Is it okay to kill somebody in
1:28:58
private but not in public? That's the question.
1:29:02
Because you're still killing them. And I guess
1:29:05
my argument is it's because you want to sanitize.
1:29:07
You want to act like murder is not murder. I
1:29:10
would say the same thing about
1:29:12
processing meat. I think everybody who's
1:29:15
into animal rights would agree with me that we
1:29:18
should have that, factory farming, all of
1:29:20
that, the execution of cows and pigs. That should
1:29:23
all be something that's available on video for
1:29:25
people to watch. And we should know
1:29:28
how our food is processed and created and grown
1:29:33
and killed. We should know these things.
1:29:36
It's really crazy. Okay, so say what
1:29:40
you want about a quote-unquote oppressive dictatorship,
1:29:42
but in a country like
1:29:47
Afghanistan, you do know where your food comes
1:29:49
from because you've seen it. You've seen it being
1:29:51
killed. You do know about life and death. You've
1:29:54
seen dead bodies. It's possible in this country
1:29:57
to live 80 years and never see a dead body.
1:30:01
It's really, really, we live in a strange
1:30:04
society. Well, it's almost like you're trying
1:30:07
to filter out pain in a weird way. But there's
1:30:12
no way to filter out pain. There's no such thing
1:30:15
as safety, right? But it's like the state doesn't
1:30:18
want people to see the state committing murder,
1:30:20
and it's like the issue is the murder then. It's
1:30:23
not. Meaning the issue is not that it's public.
1:30:27
The issue is the fact that you're killing somebody.
1:30:29
Let's call it what it is. It's like, oh, this
1:30:31
is grotesque. It's like, what's grotesque? Killing
1:30:35
in public. It's like, so killing them in private
1:30:38
is not. If killing them in private wasn't grotesque,
1:30:42
then publicizing it would not be a problem. If
1:30:45
something is happening in private, let's say
1:30:48
a meeting of the U.S. Cabinet, okay, and then
1:30:52
you decided to put a camera in there. You wouldn't
1:30:53
say, okay, well, now putting a camera here is
1:30:56
grotesque, because after all, all you'd see is
1:30:58
a bunch of boring white guys in suits sitting
1:31:01
around drinking coffee and talking quietly. Right.
1:31:03
That's not grotesque. It's the act that's grotesque.
1:31:06
And that's what they're effectively saying. And
1:31:09
the mere fact that we're seeing it, I couldn't
1:31:12
agree more. Yeah. It's like still killing. That's
1:31:16
right. But showing it as the problem. And it's
1:31:19
like, are you serious right now? I remember when
1:31:21
Tulsi Gabbard went to Congress and one of the
1:31:23
Congress members basically said to her, paraphrasing
1:31:26
the conversation, so you went to Syria. Yes.
1:31:32
And Tulsi Gabbard makes a point. We were supporting
1:31:36
terrorists. And he made the point to her. I get
1:31:39
that. But why did you say anything? Right. The
1:31:43
issue is not that we were supporting terrorists.
1:31:44
The issue is that we were, that you said something
1:31:46
about it. And that always blows my mind,
1:31:49
when somebody says so. It's like you're in trouble
1:31:52
not because what you said is true. It's because
1:31:54
you said it at all. And the death is the same
1:31:57
way, right? The issue is not that we're killing
1:31:59
him. The issue is that you're showing it. It's
1:32:02
like, no, dude, right? It's like revealing. I
1:32:04
get that there's so, yeah, right. Look,
1:32:08
it's like Jeffrey Toobin masturbating
1:32:10
on his, right, on his... Now, why is that outlandish?
1:32:16
Let's... It's not just the fact that he showed his
1:32:19
wee-wee to his colleagues accidentally. It's
1:32:23
because masturbating is kind of unseemly, as
1:32:27
we talked about previously. It just is. And so
1:32:30
when people see it, it's unseemly.
1:32:34
It reminds me of when Dick Cheney
1:32:37
cursed on the Senate floor and people were like,
1:32:40
you and I both know that. People in the
1:32:42
corridors of power, they all curse like the day
1:32:44
is long, from the president all the way down.
1:32:46
They're all like, fuck this, fuck that, blah,
1:32:48
blah, blah, blah, blah. They sound like me, basically.
1:32:52
And so they all do. Bill Clinton did. LBJ
1:32:57
did. Nixon did. They all did. Expletive deleted
1:33:00
in the Watergate tapes over and over and over
1:33:03
again. Right. Expletive deleted. It's like, okay.
1:33:07
So the shock is not the fact that people are
1:33:10
cursing. It's the fact that Dick Cheney did it on the Senate floor
1:33:15
in a public forum where people could
1:33:18
hear it. It's silly. Either maybe he should
1:33:21
just not be. The outrage should be that he's cursing,
1:33:24
maybe not that, if there's going to be outrage
1:33:27
about that, not the fact that he's doing it in
1:33:29
public. Yeah, it's just, well,
1:33:32
it's like, we can't have the public see these things. And
1:33:35
I get it. I want to sanitize Congress,
1:33:39
kind of. Meaning, I like my right honorable
1:33:42
gentleman. They do that because they don't want
1:33:43
to start fistfights in Congress. It's not like
1:33:47
in Taipei where they do it in the Taiwanese,
1:33:49
in certain countries they have fistfights.
1:33:52
Yeah, Turkish parliament, they like the fistfights
1:33:54
all the time, right? No, he's my right honorable
1:33:57
gentleman. You treat people a particular way
1:33:59
with the hope that form, function follows. That's
1:34:04
part of my problem with John Fetterman, is that
1:34:06
he doesn't have respect for the office that he
1:34:08
holds and or for the institution that he serves
1:34:10
in, or the people of the state of Pennsylvania,
1:34:13
and he dresses like a slob. And look, you and I
1:34:16
both know you behave differently when you dress
1:34:19
like you are right now as opposed to
1:34:22
dressing like Robby does. It's like, what
1:34:26
is? If I go out into the world
1:34:29
wearing a suit, I'm a more civilized person than
1:34:33
if I'm just wearing shorts and a T-shirt. It's
1:34:35
just true. I feel more civilized, and I feel like
1:34:39
I'm sure you do. 100%. Yeah, it's like, I feel like
1:34:43
I dress right. I feel different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:34:46
It's like, I have, shout, I take my shower in a
1:34:48
suit. Sorry, Robby, to use you as an example. Listen,
1:34:52
I'm wearing my Bad Neighbors Make Good Fences
1:34:54
sweater, so it's perfectly fine. I guess the
1:34:58
thing is, is it a comfortable sweater for the
1:35:01
winters of Montana? Oh, man, it's awesome. Me
1:35:03
and Kizzy, on Monday, Monday through Wednesday,
1:35:06
we're going to be camping over Glacier Park.
1:35:08
It's going to be in the 20s and snowing. Very
1:35:10
cool. It's going to be nice and cold. I guess,
1:35:15
Ted, I've thought a lot about this. And I guess
1:35:21
one of the reasons why I dress the way that I
1:35:22
do, and me and Kizzy's talked about this, is
1:35:24
wherever we go, unless we're going to church,
1:35:27
you just dress like some hick. I said, it's true,
1:35:32
and I thought a lot about it. It's because I don't
1:35:34
want people to think I am civilized. Wait, said
1:35:38
it again. You don't want? I don't want
1:35:40
people to think I'm one of those pull-up, one
1:35:43
of those people in polite society, one of
1:35:46
those good civilized people. Well, I
1:35:50
don't know. Well, no, here's where it comes
1:35:55
from, because no, back when I
1:35:57
was a kid, I was homeless. I went to a church on
1:36:02
Highway 29 there in Escambia County, Florida,
1:36:05
sat in the back, and an usher from the church asked
1:36:10
me to leave because my appearance wasn't adequate,
1:36:13
and I stunk because I was homeless and eating
1:36:15
out of dumpsters. So I went to a church to hear
1:36:18
about Jesus, and I was asked to leave. And I made
1:36:23
the, unless there is a dress code for a job that
1:36:27
I'm involved in, I will never. I will never dress
1:36:31
to impress another single soul. Take me as I
1:36:34
am. No, I accept that. And so it's not under
1:36:39
normal circumstances. Oh, yeah, no,
1:36:41
yeah, no, I get it. Not mad. I think I get it.
1:36:43
You're the sharpest myself, but look, for me, for me, it's a statement. I
1:36:50
don't want ever someone to look at me and make
1:36:53
the mistake to think I'm one of these
1:36:55
upper crust. No. Republican suit-wearing sacks
1:37:00
of crap who have done everything they possibly
1:37:02
can to make people's lives a living hell for
1:37:06
profit. Yeah. I am my own billboard. You're like,
1:37:13
it's like the lyrics of Johnny Cash, is the man
1:37:16
in black. Well, it's just, I guess like Bernie
1:37:19
Sanders, the dude's never met a comb. I'll take
1:37:21
it. Well, yes, I feel for him because, like him,
1:37:27
I have flyaway hair, very fine. The slightest
1:37:30
breeze, it just goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd
1:37:34
be riding a car and your hair flaps. Don't do
1:37:36
the comb-over, though. Just don't do the comb-
1:37:38
over. I'll go short. I'll go like Robby, shave
1:37:41
it all off, before I let it get to that.
1:37:47
So, yeah, let's see if we have any comments here.
1:37:52
Okay. Philip says, I think we'll win Robby over
1:37:58
eventually. Robby's a good egg. Contemplative
1:38:01
Christian practice usually leads people out of
1:38:04
hate. Under Enolo says, all Trump voters should
1:38:12
lose the right to vote for good. Whatever, it's
1:38:15
not a punishment. Voting doesn't matter. Dual
1:38:18
Purpose, how about CEOs like Carol Tomé, who
1:38:22
F's workers for a better profit margin? It ain't
1:38:27
the government which suppresses wages. Well,
1:38:30
the government plays a role. That's entirely
1:38:32
true. Even Sanders believes in
1:38:35
borders, right? And he believes in borders for
1:38:38
the exact same argument that Robby makes. It
1:38:40
does depress wages. For example, when unions
1:38:46
are able to get increases in wages, it usually
1:38:49
raises all of the other wages. By the same token,
1:38:52
if things are depressing wages, then other wages
1:38:54
by definition will also be depressed. I don't
1:38:56
think it's a contradiction. I think both are
1:38:59
true. A company is only going to pay you,
1:39:02
ideally, what they can get away with paying you.
1:39:07
Because workers are a problem for companies,
1:39:09
because there's a contradiction in the fact that
1:39:12
you have to pay them in order to get the profit
1:39:15
from the company itself. And the company is always
1:39:17
wanting to pay the worker as little as possible.
1:39:19
And so, yeah, if you can get away with it, they
1:39:21
try to get away with it. But I don't think it's
1:39:23
as straightforward as it's just the company.
1:39:26
I think it's both. By the way, minimum
1:39:29
wage, right? When the government sets a
1:39:31
minimum wage, companies are going to orient around
1:39:33
the minimum wage if the minimum wage is higher.
1:39:35
So it's not straightforward, just the company.
1:39:38
It's both. I'm drafting, Robby. I have to go
1:39:43
pee. I'll be right back. Okay. Go pee, Ted.
1:39:46
Wait, before you go pee, what was the other story?
1:39:48
Oh. I was going to see what was the other story,
1:39:50
but he was kidding. Yeah. Or do we have any comments?
1:39:55
Let me see. I think it's just a lot of just psychoanalyzing
1:40:00
Robby. So here's one. So Dual Purpose asks,
1:40:06
Robby, how about CEOs like Carol Tomé who screws
1:40:10
workers for a better profit margin? It ain't
1:40:12
the government which suppresses wages. It's both.
1:40:17
By definition, it's both. Government open-ups
1:40:20
to borders allow the people to come in, whether
1:40:22
legally or illegally, that depresses wages. That's
1:40:27
why, in terms of illegal immigration, I recommend
1:40:30
sending people home, not put them in camps, don't
1:40:35
do what Trump's doing, don't go around shooting
1:40:37
people at a DoorDash in front of a Mexican restaurant.
1:40:41
And by the way, H-1B visas makes the point
1:40:44
that much clearer. Right, of course it does. It's
1:40:47
an economic thing. Pay him, I don't know, 15 bucks
1:40:50
instead of paying him 30 for the job an hour
1:40:53
that he's doing. Okay, what does it mean for wages
1:40:55
for other people who could have been making the
1:40:57
30 bucks? Means those people aren't going to make
1:40:59
that money, and it means that from the standpoint
1:41:01
of the industry itself, wages go down. Correct.
1:41:05
That's why they do it. A hundred percent. And
1:41:09
what would I do to the CEOs who do this
1:41:11
kind of stuff? I've said it repeatedly. I'll
1:41:13
say it again. I would exile them to Barrow, Alaska,
1:41:17
where they would live out the rest of their
1:41:19
mortal lives in the comfort of the Alaskan
1:41:23
wilderness. I would go full Russian style. Aurora
1:41:26
Borealis. Yeah. Just give them a sledgehammer.
1:41:30
They go just chop rocks all day. Seriously. This
1:41:33
is not lost on me. That's a good, Alaska is not
1:41:37
that bad. That's not like Siberia. Me
1:41:43
and Kizzy, once the kids are grown and graduated
1:41:46
and stuff and gone, me and Kizzy are actually
1:41:49
talking about maybe moving away from Montana
1:41:51
and going up to Alaska. I've been looking at
1:41:53
Anchor Point. Now, why Anchor Point? Why Alaska?
1:41:58
It's right there on the Pacific. I grew up in
1:42:01
the Redneck Riviera there on the Florida Panhandle,
1:42:04
which is getting a little baby hurricane now,
1:42:06
which is good on them. Go play in the wind. It's
1:42:09
fun. But no, just...
1:42:13
It's category three right now, by the way. No, Montana is just...
1:42:16
It's getting too full. We just have too many
1:42:18
people coming here. And Alaska is nice, big,
1:42:20
and empty. And that's what I want. And I was
1:42:24
thinking about taking a... I ain't thinking about
1:42:25
taking a vacation. I hadn't said anything, but
1:42:27
I'm thinking about taking a vacation. Always
1:42:30
a good idea. I don't know where. I thought about
1:42:33
Fairbanks, Alaska, to see the aurora borealis,
1:42:36
sitting in the middle of a campground watching
1:42:38
the borealis. I want to be somewhere by myself
1:42:40
in the middle of nowhere. That's what I want.
1:42:42
I would prefer a cabin by a lake. Tell you what,
1:42:46
JT, you come here. What I will do is I'll take
1:42:49
you to the amphitheater there at Lake McDonald.
1:42:52
And you can see it because it's a panoramic view.
1:42:56
So you got the mountains and you have this massive
1:43:00
lake. And you can see the Milky Way.
1:43:03
There's no light pollution. And so don't go to
1:43:06
Alaska. Come here. You can stay with me. I will
1:43:10
give you the 50-cent tour, and that'll take you
1:43:13
to the Huckleberry Patch and feed you the best
1:43:15
huckleberry ice cream you've ever had in your
1:43:17
life. It'll slap your brains out with your tongue.
1:43:20
Montana. I hadn't even thought of Montana. Come
1:43:22
to Montana. Oh, Montana is stunning. I even thought
1:43:26
of Utah. Utah has the... is it the desert
1:43:30
or somewhere? But Utah's cool, but
1:43:34
it's not pretty. It's more
1:43:38
rugged and obviously dry and barren. But
1:43:43
Montana is sweeter. Yeah, but
1:43:47
just reiterate, and I'll go away. The illegal immigrants,
1:43:51
I'm not mad at them. Listen, I get it. You're
1:43:54
coming here for, I understand. I'm not that much
1:43:57
of a heartless dick that I don't understand why
1:43:59
they're doing what they're doing. Heartless dick.
1:44:02
My contempt. My anger. My anger is for the people
1:44:08
who enable it and then exploit these people.
1:44:10
The politicians and the CEOs, they are the ones
1:44:13
who I would exile to the tender arms of Barrow,
1:44:17
Alaska. The migrants just get to go home. They
1:44:21
get to go home. Okay, so Bad Cookies. Man, it's
1:44:29
all about Robby today. Robby, you're telling
1:44:32
me that if you were invited to the White House,
1:44:34
you wouldn't wear a suit? Not even invited under
1:44:35
a Trump administration presidency. Just any president
1:44:38
invites you to the White House. Are you wearing
1:44:41
a suit? Are you? Are you? I'm pretty sure that
1:44:44
I said if the dress code required. For
1:44:51
example, later on, I don't have any kind of specifics.
1:44:56
I'll go ahead and y'all get some breaking news
1:44:57
now. Ted is going to be doing an interview with
1:45:01
Dinesh D'Souza and some other people. And these
1:45:04
interviews are going to potentially be live and
1:45:07
in person. Depending on the venue, you have to
1:45:10
dress professionally. If I go... Debate? I thought
1:45:13
it was a debate, not an interview. No, you're
1:45:17
going to... Oh, yeah, I'm going to be online.
1:45:19
Oh, I didn't know you were going to be online.
1:45:21
Where is it going to be? Don't know yet. Ted
1:45:23
is going to be debating Dinesh D'Souza. Anywhere,
1:45:26
anytime. Because I am representing an employer
1:45:32
or someone that I work for, of course, I'm going
1:45:34
to dress accordingly to the decorum that the
1:45:36
job requires. I'm talking about going down the
1:45:39
street. I'm not going to go and dress like some
1:45:42
kind of a snob to try to impress some prick who
1:45:46
I do not know. And lastly, if I was invited to
1:45:50
the White House. Only impress pricks who you
1:45:52
do know. A hundred percent. And if a president
1:45:55
was ever dumb enough to invite me to the White
1:45:58
House, I can assure you I would be escorted out
1:46:00
after I called him a war criminal and confronted
1:46:02
him on what they have done. That would be my
1:46:05
first and last time ever going to the White House.
1:46:07
I do believe that. Is it going to be in New York?
1:46:10
Don't know yet. Because if this is, I kind of
1:46:13
want to come. I doubt it'll be in New York because
1:46:15
it's a very expensive place to get
1:46:17
a stage. So I guess the question is. I hope it's
1:46:20
not in New York. I want to travel. I want to
1:46:21
go somewhere. Okay, is there any ideas for venues
1:46:25
so far? None that I'm able to release. But
1:46:30
we are working on this, and one of the things
1:46:32
that the Freedom First Network is working on
1:46:34
doing is having more in-person debates because
1:46:38
they're just simply, well, they're better. They're
1:46:41
better. They're more engaging. No, Jeff will be
1:46:44
kind of, he'll be moderating, because some people
1:46:46
like Dinesh are in love with the sound of their
1:46:48
own voice and try to filibuster. So he'll make
1:46:50
sure that that can't happen, so that way he controls
1:46:54
the argument. Moderator will make or break an
1:46:56
event like that. For sure. But no, it
1:46:59
will be that. Wherever it is, let me know
1:47:02
where it is. I want to. Ted Rall, your favorite
1:47:04
communist, will be on stage, well dressed for the
1:47:09
occasion, I promise, who is arguably one of the
1:47:12
dumbest people in the Republican Party,
1:47:15
and I'm looking forward to seeing Ted eat his
1:47:17
breakfast. Yeah, you better eat him alive. I will
1:47:20
take him seriously even if he doesn't take himself
1:47:25
seriously. Okay, by the way, what's the debate
1:47:29
on? Do y'all know yet? It's on geopolitics
1:47:33
in general, right? Yeah, about the role of America
1:47:35
in the world. Not in general. It's specifically
1:47:38
about Israel, the value of the Israeli alliance
1:47:44
to the United States. We can put that one to
1:47:48
bed quickly. So basically, is the alliance with
1:47:51
Israel in America's interests, or is Israel an
1:47:54
albatross around the neck of the United States?
1:47:56
Duh. And Dinesh is an arch-Zionist. He's kind
1:48:00
of like a confused Catholic who thinks he's a
1:48:02
Calvinist because he has no idea what the hell
1:48:04
he is, except an idiot. And Ted is going to crucify
1:48:08
him, and it's going to be amazing. So I, verbally
1:48:12
and intellectually, it will be a death penalty.
1:48:14
I will be cheering in the audience because I
1:48:17
think, this, when Jake Uger went on, I forget
1:48:20
where they were. I think he was at a Republican
1:48:21
event, or I forget the name of the event, but it's
1:48:24
like the Young Turks is in the audience. They're
1:48:27
posting. But he's going to debate.
1:48:30
I want to. No, no, definitely need that. Also, real
1:48:35
quick before I go away again, today at 1 p.m.
1:48:40
Eastern time, because even though Jeff Dornik
1:48:44
is a right-winger, he's like me. He's a free
1:48:47
speech absolutist and really going out of his
1:48:49
way to try and build a network for independent
1:48:51
media who have been silenced and shut down by
1:48:54
Republican and Democrat administrations. Manila
1:48:58
Chan, former RT host and co-host of the TMI
1:49:01
show, will be interviewed by Jeff Dornik about
1:49:06
the censorship that she has faced professionally
1:49:08
and publicly by YouTube, the government, and
1:49:14
everything else. So tune in for that. Freedom
1:49:17
First Network is only on Rumble because YouTube
1:49:19
will censor the hell out of it. Man, we're busy.
1:49:25
We're busy people today. I don't know what you
1:49:29
said, JT. Sorry, I kept talking over you. Sorry,
1:49:31
go ahead. Oh, I thought Jeff was on Pickax.
1:49:34
Yes. He's the CEO of Pickax, but he's also started
1:49:38
what he calls the Freedom First Network. And
1:49:41
he has a sweet deal with Rumble. And so he's
1:49:44
putting his money where his mouth is. He's not
1:49:46
keeping it at all. He's investing in the network.
1:49:48
He's bringing people who have been silenced.
1:49:50
JT, he actually wants to interview you about
1:49:52
aliens. I was down for it. Oh, about aliens.
1:49:55
Oh, geez. Aliens. Because you hit me up and then
1:49:58
you said he changed the date on it. I wasn't
1:50:00
ignoring you. I just didn't see the message until
1:50:02
later. No, you're good. Just because someone's
1:50:09
to your right or just because someone's to your
1:50:11
left does not mean that person is your enemy.
1:50:12
There's a lot more that unites us than divides
1:50:14
us. So don't fall for that lie. I've always felt
1:50:18
that. I felt that way for a long time. So, yeah,
1:50:23
so a lot going on, right? This morning,
1:50:25
there was Jamarl Solo, which you could still
1:50:27
watch and stream. There was this show, and then
1:50:30
we've got DMZ coming up in nine minutes
1:50:34
with, it'll be me hanging out with Steve
1:50:37
Breen, and then one o'clock, Manila's on with
1:50:40
Jeff, and then four o'clock, Robby's declaiming
1:50:45
Bible studies. So with, and I'll be hanging out
1:50:48
with that. So it's a big Friday. A lot going on.
1:50:53
So hope you check out all or some of that. Thank
1:50:55
you for doing that. Thank you for your support
1:50:57
and all that. Yeah, for the Bible study, do
1:51:01
it on the gaming channels. Just go to West Glacier
1:51:03
Gaming over on YouTube, and it'll be 2 o'clock
1:51:05
Mountain Time. Yeah, 2 o'clock Mountain Time,
1:51:07
4 Eastern. That'll be fun. Yeah, what's the topic
1:51:11
again? Oh, it's not controversial at all. I'll
1:51:15
be making the biblical case for the death penalty.
1:51:18
Mm-hmm. The Old Testament case, not the biblical
1:51:22
case. Fuck the New Testament. No, Ted, I'm going
1:51:28
to save it for that, but you, sir, are wrong.
1:51:30
The New Testament. First time for everything.
1:51:33
Well, listen, Ted, since I am married and you
1:51:40
were married, we both know that as married men,
1:51:42
you're wrong more often than not. Only if you're
1:51:46
married. Only while you're married. Then you
1:51:48
get the I'm occasionally right badge back as
1:51:52
soon as you get divorced. They hand that to you
1:51:54
with your divorce papers. You would treat three-
1:51:57
quarters of an inch of your penis. It's really
1:51:59
nice. I am so looking forward to going camping
1:52:04
with Kizzy because it's just going to be her
1:52:06
and me. We're going to be out in the middle of
1:52:08
nowhere, taking a couple of rifles in case a bear
1:52:11
comes up. No cell phone service. Going to be
1:52:15
epic. I'm still looking forward to it. It's going to
1:52:18
be nice. It's a little scary about the no phone
1:52:21
service, though, right? Of course, obviously,
1:52:23
there's, there was no cell phone service before
1:52:25
there were cell phones anyway, right? Yeah, but
1:52:28
I just kind of like, it is, it's a little
1:52:30
unnerving nowadays when you're somewhere where
1:52:33
it's like, oh, if a bear were to come, not
1:52:37
that, by the way, anyone's going to come on time to
1:52:39
save you from a bear anyway. But it's
1:52:42
like, oh, there's a large creature here. Where
1:52:45
are you? I'm near trees. I see mountains. Well,
1:52:51
really, the whole reason why we're going
1:52:52
someplace without cell phone service is because
1:52:54
of me. In a lot of ways, I'm a workaholic.
1:52:57
I don't stop working. And so the only way I can
1:53:00
make myself stop and just pay full attention
1:53:03
to her is either A, leave the phone at home,
1:53:07
or go someplace where there's no cell phones,
1:53:09
where there's no service. And here in northwest
1:53:11
Montana, that's easy to do. I have a question
1:53:14
for both of you. When there's no cell phone in
1:53:18
the room. I have a question for both of you, though.
1:53:22
So if you guys had, if you could have an all-
1:53:25
expense-paid vacation anywhere in the world,
1:53:28
let's say two weeks, three weeks, what would
1:53:33
it be? What was your question? I'm sorry. I was
1:53:37
reading the comments. I didn't hear you. If you
1:53:40
were gifted a two- or three-week vacation anywhere
1:53:43
in the world, all expenses paid, all you have
1:53:45
to do is show up. Visas are all taken care of.
1:53:48
All you got to do is show up. Where would you
1:53:50
go? If it was me and Kizzy together, probably
1:53:55
go to Europe. If it was just me by myself, I
1:54:00
would go to the most rural village in Kazakhstan
1:54:03
or China that I could and just be there for two
1:54:04
weeks and just see how, just live there. That's
1:54:11
good. We're in Europe. Russia. Oh, yeah, for
1:54:17
me, 100% Russia. And for you, Russia? Yeah,
1:54:22
I've never been. It feels weird working at Sputnik
1:54:25
and never going to Russia. Yeah, and I will not
1:54:28
lie, it's great. The thing is also, though, it's
1:54:32
Russia is so massive and so diverse that
1:54:35
it's kind of like... Which part matters? Where
1:54:37
really matters. It's like saying, oh, I'm going
1:54:39
to the United States. Yeah, but where? Moscow,
1:54:40
St. Petersburg. I would hit the big spots. I
1:54:45
would, and to be honest, even the war zone, because
1:54:48
I want to see it. Yeah, I wouldn't go to the
1:54:50
cities. I'd bring the war zone without seeing
1:54:51
the war. I wouldn't go to the cities. I would
1:54:55
take Kizzy to central Russia, one of the smaller
1:55:00
towns. Yeah, just some place. I want
1:55:04
to see the real country. I don't see Moscow. I
1:55:06
don't want to go and see these
1:55:08
big, if I went to China, I wouldn't go to
1:55:09
Nanjing or wouldn't go to Shanghai or Beijing,
1:55:12
because that's the ornament. That's the trophy.
1:55:16
But I want to see the people. And so that's right.
1:55:19
They're both, yeah, they're both important, I think.
1:55:23
If I could, if I went to China, if it was just
1:55:27
me, I would grab Mr. Li from the Rumble chat.
1:55:29
I said, two weeks, take me on a tour. You may enjoy
1:55:35
that too. It's like I'm seeing, oh, what is the
1:55:39
thing? Angkor Wat. Thank you. Angkor Wat. And
1:55:43
you get to see the countryside also.
1:55:46
When I was there, I saw Angkor Wat that
1:55:49
morning. And then I took a bike ride with a guy
1:55:53
to see the countryside, people selling stuff
1:55:56
just in the boonies of the place. It's wild.
1:56:00
They have actual villages where people
1:56:02
are sitting in huts selling food and candy.
1:56:07
Totally. It's wild. I would love to do the Trans-
1:56:10
Siberian Railway. Always wanted to. How long
1:56:16
is that? Because that trip is like a month or
1:56:18
something on the train. I looked into this. It's
1:56:21
about two weeks. And there's two different ways
1:56:23
to do it. There's a spur that, it's an option
1:56:28
where you can go off and it leaves you in western
1:56:31
China. A lot of people do that. Then the other
1:56:34
spurs, it keeps going all the way to Vladivostok.
1:56:38
I would prefer the Vladivostok approach. Bad
1:56:44
Cookies said go to Ukraine. Here's what the tourism
1:56:46
is, bombing there. That's what you're doing there.
1:56:49
And Blake contributed $5 to your titty fund,
1:56:52
Ted. Oh, man. We have to have a thermometer that
1:56:58
shows how close we're getting. Getting there
1:57:00
ever so slowly. Keep it coming, Blake. You're
1:57:04
going to get your rocks off. You and Pete Hegseth
1:57:09
will finally get to see what you've been wanting
1:57:13
to see all these years. I've got to start to
1:57:15
wrap up because I've got to prepare for a DMZ.
1:57:18
DMZ America podcast coming up at 11 o'clock
1:57:21
with guest Steve Breen. Scott is unfortunately
1:57:26
off today. He's doing, I can't say what, but
1:57:29
he's doing grandparent stuff. So it's very cute.
1:57:31
I'm very jealous. I can't wait to become a
1:57:33
grandparent. I keep telling my son, condoms
1:57:37
are, condoms are gay. Don't, just,
1:57:41
don't be irresponsible. We need, I
1:57:45
need those grandkids. Just, whoever,
1:57:50
choice of mom, not important. Mom used
1:57:54
to say, just have the kid. I'll take it. That's
1:57:58
kind of like how I feel. Yeah. Horses Are People
1:58:01
wants to know when's the next podcast coming
1:58:03
out. Today at 2 p.m. Mountain Time. Me and Ted,
1:58:07
we'll be talking about the death penalty. The
1:58:10
next podcast, the Bible podcast. Yeah. Oh, by
1:58:13
the way, Robby, we need a, you don't have a
1:58:15
logo for it. Do you? No. Can you, can I, do you
1:58:19
mind if I take a shot at designing it?
1:58:21
No, go ahead. Because I'm telling you,
1:58:23
stick figures for me are hard. So I can do a
1:58:26
little better than that. Yeah. Okay, cool. All
1:58:30
right. All right, guys. All right, we're going
1:58:32
to go ahead and raid into DMZ America. Thanks
1:58:36
so much for joining us. Have an awesome weekend.
1:58:39
It's almost 11 o'clock Eastern time. Tune in
1:58:43
to Manila at 1 with Jeff Dornik. Tune in to
1:58:46
Robby at 4 on Rumble and YouTube. And go check
1:58:52
that out, and I'll be tagging along for that.
1:58:54
We'll be back Monday at 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. for
1:58:59
the full two-hour program. No, that's actually
1:59:01
a lie. We have Monday off because of Columbus
1:59:04
Day. No federal holiday, old Sputnik rules. So
1:59:09
we'll see you Tuesday at 9 a.m. And there's
1:59:12
no TMI next week. No TMI whatsoever next week.
1:59:15
So skeleton crew next week. So don't miss it.
1:59:19
All right, guys. See you later. Ciao. Bye, y'all.