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The Late Debate | 17 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait Wait, gentle man, Welcome to the Wait tour base.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the late debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: Macpherson with Freelitch and Caleb Bond. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We'll give you our take on the newly minted shadow
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  Speaker 2: Cabinet as Angus Taylor built a government in waiting or
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  Speaker 2: just a waiting room. An unusual cheating scandal threatens to
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  Speaker 2: engulf the Winter Olympics. There's concerns that male ski jumpers
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  Speaker 2: are injecting their nether regions to make them larger, creating
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  Speaker 2: a greater surface in their ski suit to generate lift.
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  Speaker 2: Can you believe it? And is this the death of Hollywood?
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  Speaker 2: A Chinese AI application takes just seconds to create a
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  Speaker 2: movie scene featuring Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise that is
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  Speaker 2: so good you'd never know it was fake. We'll get
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  Speaker 2: to all of that and more shortly. But first, if
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  Speaker 2: we're serious about social cohesion, shouldn't we insist that children
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  Speaker 2: speak English at preschool? Teachers have complained in an online
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  Speaker 2: chat group that increasing numbers of kids US speaking foreign
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  Speaker 2: languages at kindy excluding white children and creating racial enclaves
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  Speaker 2: in the playground Now, literacy experts disagree that this.
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  Speaker 3: Is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: They say bilingualism is a gift in the Australian Early
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  Speaker 2: Years Learning framework actually encourages teachers to sprinkle mother tongue
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  Speaker 2: vocabulary around the classroom. But I would have thought teachers
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  Speaker 2: should be insisting that kids speak English, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: set them up for success in Australia, where, after all,
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  Speaker 2: these kids live and English is the national language. By
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  Speaker 2: encouraging migrant children to speak languages other than English, aren't
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  Speaker 2: we setting them up for failure and setting the nation
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  Speaker 2: up to become one of parallel Society's Caleb.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I understand that if you've got young kids and
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  Speaker 4: they're speaking another language at home and they're going to
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  Speaker 4: school with their maides who speak the same language, they
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  Speaker 4: may will want to do that and probably feel quite
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  Speaker 4: naturally that that is something they would do. But I
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  Speaker 4: think the broader point, which was correctly raised by a
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  Speaker 4: woman who raise this online, is that surely, if you
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  Speaker 4: go to a school in Australia and English is the
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  Speaker 4: national language, then the first thing you should be doing
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  Speaker 4: is speaking English. And is it not somewhat ironic that
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  Speaker 4: we say, in the name of inclusion, you must let
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  Speaker 4: people speak another language at a school that is then
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  Speaker 4: necessarily exclusive for a number of other kids in the
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  Speaker 4: name of inclusion, but that makes other kids feel excluded.
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  Speaker 4: It's not as though three four year olds going to
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  Speaker 4: kindergarten who may also speak a foreign language don't also
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  Speaker 4: know English. And unless they're literally fresh off the boat
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  Speaker 4: and don't know any English, these kids have probably been
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  Speaker 4: born in this country and raised with English at home
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  Speaker 4: as well as whatever their mother tongue is, so they
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  Speaker 4: have the ability to speak English. And surely you can
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  Speaker 4: explain in those circumstances to the kids that actually, in
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  Speaker 4: the name of inclusion, it would be nice if you
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  Speaker 4: in the playground spoke a language that the rest of
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  Speaker 4: your classmates understand because.
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  Speaker 1: We're in Australian and we speak English.
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  Speaker 5: I actually disagree with you. I don't think a lot
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  Speaker 5: of these kids would even be able to speak English.
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  Speaker 5: When you look at the rise of households who exclusively
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  Speaker 5: speak foreign languages, there are parts of Sydney and Melbourne
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  Speaker 5: capital cities where it's a growing proportion of households. And
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  Speaker 5: so if you're a three year old child, you've had
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  Speaker 5: very limited exposure to the world outside of your immediate family.
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  Speaker 5: There is every possibility you are having children showing up
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  Speaker 5: at childcare at preschool who cannot speak English. But that
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  Speaker 5: actually increases the importance of enforcing English in preschool because
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  Speaker 5: it is a lot easier to learner language when you're
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  Speaker 5: a young child. The older you get, the harder it becomes.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't enforce English standards starting at daycare and preschool,
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  Speaker 5: when will these children be expected to learn English? And
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  Speaker 5: it will only get high If these kids that.
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  Speaker 4: Are rocking up to preschool and daycare or whatever, we
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  Speaker 4: know English whatsoever?
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  Speaker 1: How do they understand anything? Like you get?
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  Speaker 5: I mean you kind of you pick it up, you
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  Speaker 5: do well.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it means you've got to go a step
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  Speaker 2: further back again and really tighten up the criteria for
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  Speaker 2: people coming into this country with regards your ability to
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  Speaker 2: speak English. There's got to be some level of competency
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  Speaker 2: to come into Australia on a whatever sort of visa
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  Speaker 2: that people are issued, so that you don't have these
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  Speaker 2: ongoing generational problems that, let's face it, are not good
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  Speaker 2: for the kids because it's going to be very hard
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  Speaker 2: to function at primary school and high school if you're
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  Speaker 2: not good with English. That came from someone who's good
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  Speaker 2: with English. So you're doing a disservice to these kids
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  Speaker 2: in the name of kindness and compassion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean we were talking the other night, were
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  Speaker 4: about to I forget what triggered us to talk about
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  Speaker 4: this particular case, but someone in the UK who was
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  Speaker 4: threatened by police that they would be accused of a
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  Speaker 4: hate crime if indeed they had said to someone, speak English,
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  Speaker 4: and they will. Actually I said, speak up, because I'm
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  Speaker 4: hard of hearing. But we've reached this point where people
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  Speaker 4: are afraid to vocalize the fact that in a country
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  Speaker 4: where English is the nation's language, that we should expect
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  Speaker 4: people to speak that language. Of course, you have different
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  Speaker 4: standards for tourists, but I wouldn't imagine that if I
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  Speaker 4: moved to France, or I.
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  Speaker 1: Moved to Germany, or I moved to.
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  Speaker 4: Japan or wherever it might be, that I would just
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  Speaker 4: expect them all to go, oh, yeah, old mate over
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  Speaker 4: there speaking English and that's fine, and we'll just change
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  Speaker 4: the way we do things in order to accommodate him. Well, no,
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  Speaker 4: I've gone to their country. Therefore I have to learn
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  Speaker 4: their language if I want to be a productive member
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  Speaker 4: of their society.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Caleb, you need to take a trip to France
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  Speaker 2: and expect them to address you in English and see
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  Speaker 2: how you go.
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  Speaker 3: It will not go well.
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  Speaker 4: Indeed, and we should take more of that attitude ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: While we're talking about schools, there is this Friday apparently
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  Speaker 4: is going to be school students for Palestine's where are
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  Speaker 4: kefea to school day?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 4: This is a group they exist on social media. I
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  Speaker 4: think school students for Palestine that is, and they are
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  Speaker 4: encouraging students to rock up to school this Friday, as
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  Speaker 4: I said, wearing their kefeas.
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  Speaker 1: All over the shop.
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  Speaker 4: And look, you've got teachers for Palestine, now you've got
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  Speaker 4: school students for Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm glad to see.
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  Speaker 4: Today our Education department secretaries and the CEO of Catholic
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  Speaker 4: schools in New South Wales saying no, this is not on.
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to allow it. And good on them
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  Speaker 4: for doing so. The Secretary, I said of the New
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  Speaker 4: South Wales Education Department, said that schools were not a
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  Speaker 4: place for political activism. It has no place in schools,
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  Speaker 4: he said, and that schools should deal with this if
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  Speaker 4: it happens apriately, ie, you don't wear a kefa to school.
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  Speaker 4: The Catholic Schools New South Wales chief executive Dallas mcannooney.
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  Speaker 4: She said it was a putrid campaign to visit the
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  Speaker 4: continuing trauma of the Bondai massacre onto New South Wales
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  Speaker 4: school children. Look, I'm glad to see leaders in the
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  Speaker 4: education sector saying that there is no place for political
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  Speaker 4: activism in schools. I'm just wondering where they've been the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the time when political activism has been going.
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  Speaker 1: On in schools for a very long time. Glad they
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  Speaker 1: finally decided to draw the line, but maybe if they
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  Speaker 1: said this a little more often, we'd take it a
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  Speaker 1: little more seriously.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the New South Wales Education Department good
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  Speaker 2: on them for saying this is not on, but I
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  Speaker 2: think they need to go a step further. They have
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  Speaker 2: said kids who turn up wearing a kefia on Friday
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  Speaker 2: will be regarded as breaching the uniform policy. I think
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  Speaker 2: you've got to be a bit stronger than that. This
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  Speaker 2: is not you know, like you're wearing Nike sneakers when
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  Speaker 2: you're meant to have black school shoes. This is not
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  Speaker 2: just a political protest but it's a highly racially charged
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  Speaker 2: and very aggressive protest against Jewish students. If a kid
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  Speaker 2: rocks up wearing a kefir on Friday as part of
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  Speaker 2: this protest, they should be suspended, not issued with a
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  Speaker 2: breach of uniform.
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  Speaker 5: And I also think another punishment you could add to
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  Speaker 5: that could be a perhaps five thousand word essay on
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  Speaker 5: why exactly they are protesting, because what is it that
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  Speaker 5: they're protesting. I mean, there's a ceasefire, the hostages are back.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen new data around the actual number of civilians
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  Speaker 5: that were killed in Gaza, way less than was reported
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  Speaker 5: in a lot of the media. The majority of casualties
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  Speaker 5: were Hamas terrorists. So I would actually encourage these schools
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  Speaker 5: to make these kids who think they know everything about
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  Speaker 5: the world, do some research and come up with some
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  Speaker 5: actual reasons as to why you're doing this, and hopefully
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  Speaker 5: a bit of critical thinking will dissuade them from future activism.
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  Speaker 5: But when I was in school, the school strike for
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  Speaker 5: climate was the big issue of the day, and I
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  Speaker 5: remember everyone stormed out of class and marched down to
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  Speaker 5: the town Hall square in Sydney and they all thought,
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  Speaker 5: you know, this was the civil rights movement, of our generation.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, eight years on, no one cares anymore.
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  Speaker 5: They've all moved on to Palestine. This is kind of
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  Speaker 5: just what kids do, drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Kids did think it was a civil rights issue of
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  Speaker 2: their generation?
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  Speaker 3: Or was it an afternoon of math and geography?
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  Speaker 5: I think there was the core lefty protesters who even
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  Speaker 5: back then were getting primed for their use in socialist days.
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  Speaker 5: They definitely thought it was a noble cause.
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  Speaker 2: So schools have a legal obligation as part of their
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  Speaker 2: registration to provide a safe and secure environment for students
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  Speaker 2: to learn. If one of these protests went ahead and
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  Speaker 2: the school failed to take appropriate action to shut it down,
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  Speaker 2: would parents have legal recourse to sue the school for
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  Speaker 2: failing in their legal responsibility to provide a safe learning
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  Speaker 2: environment for their child.
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  Speaker 4: You probably have to ask a lawyer that question, but
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  Speaker 4: they could try it on.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see why not. I mean you would you would.
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  Speaker 4: You would take it as as a threat to Probably
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  Speaker 4: if you were a Jewish child, you would to see that,
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't you, particularly in the com and.
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  Speaker 3: As a Jewish parent, you would be outraged.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing that really annoys me is that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, even if you've had concern about civilian life
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  Speaker 4: in Palestine or whatever, just have the decency right now
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  Speaker 4: to say, this is not the time when we've got
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  Speaker 4: to cease fire by the way, in Palestine, it's just
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  Speaker 4: not the time to be carrying.
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  Speaker 1: On like this.
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  Speaker 4: Show some decency to your fellow human beings. Stop treating
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  Speaker 4: this like a political football. And let's look at the
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  Speaker 4: people around us. And if children can't get that through
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  Speaker 4: their heads, and you know, it's often not the children's fault.
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  Speaker 4: It's the fault of either parents or those who are
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  Speaker 4: pulling other strings, including in schools, to get.
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  Speaker 1: Into children's minds. But if you can't get that.
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  Speaker 4: Message through them, into them win their children, then you'll
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  Speaker 4: never get it through them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's right. Unfortunately, though, in a lot of
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  Speaker 5: these cases were relying on teachers in these schools to
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  Speaker 5: actually stand up for what's right. It's one thing for
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  Speaker 5: the heads at the Department of Education to set the
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  Speaker 5: right tone, but it's another thing. You've got two thousand
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  Speaker 5: public schools. Is this really going to be enforced? Well,
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  Speaker 5: let's hope. Let's change your gears a little bit and
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  Speaker 5: go down to Canberra. Today. Angus Taylor released his new
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  Speaker 5: look shadow cabinet, and there were definitely some winners here.
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  Speaker 5: Tim Wilson promoted to Shadow Treasury, Jane Hume who's now
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  Speaker 5: the Deputy Leader. She'll be Shadow Minister for Employment and Productivity.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Hasty brought back to the front bench in industry.
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  Speaker 5: I personally think that is an incredible move. Just Into
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  Speaker 5: Price brought back into the fold. James Patterson now in Defense.
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  Speaker 5: But some of the losers we have to acknowledge as well.
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  Speaker 5: Alex Hawk, who was the key numbers man and factional
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  Speaker 5: operator behind Susan Lee, he has been dumped. Andrew Wallace
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  Speaker 5: was Shadow Attorney General under Susan dumped. Paul Scartt Shadow
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  Speaker 5: Immigration dumped. Karen Little and Scott Boucholtz also both dumped. Overall,
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  Speaker 5: I think Angus Taylor has done a very good job
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  Speaker 5: here in terms of balancing the moderate and conservative wings
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  Speaker 5: of the party, which is important. He doesn't want his
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  Speaker 5: leadership to be bogged down by factionalism. He has clearly
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  Speaker 5: elevated people on the basis of merit rather than just
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  Speaker 5: personal loyalty. But to those people who were very factional,
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  Speaker 5: like Alex Hawk, he stood up to them and said
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  Speaker 5: sorry not going to be involved in my leadership team,
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  Speaker 5: which is the right call that you have to make
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  Speaker 5: as a leader. Naturally, he was asked about you know,
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  Speaker 5: these people who got dumped, but he said he wants
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  Speaker 5: a healthy environment of competition.
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  Speaker 7: I want a culture healthy competition, the kind that.
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  Speaker 4: Lifts us out, lifts us all to deliver for Australians
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  Speaker 4: and to hold a bad government to account.
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  Speaker 5: And that's exactly right. Too often these appointments are made
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  Speaker 5: on the basis of personal relationships, factional allegiances, who backed who,
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  Speaker 5: when and how, and not on the basis of merit.
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  Speaker 2: And you can afford to do that when your primary
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  Speaker 2: vote is not at eighteen percent, But when you're at
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  Speaker 2: eighteen percent, you have got to put your best foot forward,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of who likes who and who owes who what
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  Speaker 2: I reckon pound for pound, this looks all right. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: you've got just Center Price matching up in small business
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  Speaker 2: with Anne Ali.
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  Speaker 3: I like that matchup.
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  Speaker 2: You've got Andrew Hasty versus Tim Ayres in industry, that's
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  Speaker 2: a good matchup. Jane Hume takes on Amanda Rishworth and employment.
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I particularly love Claire Chandler going up against Katie Gallagher.
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  Speaker 2: That is going to be wonderful to watch as they
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  Speaker 2: discussed the country's finances. We could go on Sarah Henderson
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  Speaker 2: against Erdika Wells and communications. That's a good matchup. And
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  Speaker 2: I love James Patterson on defense. James Patterson has been
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  Speaker 2: one of the star performers through the last number of
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  Speaker 2: months and has been able to hold his head up high.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you'll do very well in defense against
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  Speaker 2: Richard Marles and God knows we need some help in
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  Speaker 2: defense right now.
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  Speaker 4: At the risk of damning him with faint praise, I
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  Speaker 4: will say that James Patterson for the coalition now is
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  Speaker 4: kind of what Scott Morrison was before he was Prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: He was a very effective operata.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that too, I know, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 4: But Scott Morrison before he came Prime minister, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it was largely involved in stopping the boats that whole
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  Speaker 4: prosss in home affairs and whatever. He was an excellent minister, effective,
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  Speaker 4: got done what needed to be done, articulated the point well,
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  Speaker 4: was able to take the fight up to labor and
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  Speaker 4: that's very much what James Pattison has proven himself able
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  Speaker 4: to do and it signals putting him in defense that
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  Speaker 4: this will become and Taylor himself alluded to this on
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  Speaker 4: Friday when he took over the leadership. The defense will
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  Speaker 4: be one of the major planks of the party platform
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  Speaker 4: going forward, because of course we've seen what's happened in
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  Speaker 4: Europe and with NATO and how Trump has convinced them,
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  Speaker 4: of course up their military spending. They're clearly going to
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  Speaker 4: try and prosecute the same argument.
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  Speaker 1: Here as well. They should.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll note that last Thursday night I said Tim
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  Speaker 4: Wilson was going to put his hand up for shadow treasurer,
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  Speaker 4: and of course here he now is, and I think
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  Speaker 4: he will be excellent in that position.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, he comes from the moderate side of.
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  Speaker 4: The Liberal Party, but again he's a good operator for
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  Speaker 4: the fight.
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  Speaker 1: He'll get down and dirty.
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  Speaker 4: He'll take it to labor, he'll do the stuff and
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  Speaker 4: say the staff is that a lot of other people
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  Speaker 4: are unafraid, Oh sorry, I are.
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  Speaker 1: Afraid to do.
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  Speaker 5: The interesting one for me was Ted O'Brien taking on
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  Speaker 5: foreign affairs. I know he speaks Mandarin and he spent
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  Speaker 5: a fervative time in China, but I didn't realize he
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  Speaker 5: had much of an interest in foreign affairs because he
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  Speaker 5: was Energy and then Shadow Treasurer under Susan Lee. The
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  Speaker 5: other thing I think we should watch is they've now
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  Speaker 5: got a Policy Development Committee that is being co chaired
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  Speaker 5: by Zoe McKenzie and Simon Kennedy. Zoe McKenzie obviously she
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  Speaker 5: put her hand up for Deputy Leader. I think her
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  Speaker 5: and Simon are that next generation of future talent. They
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  Speaker 5: are both two MPs that we should definitely watch and
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  Speaker 5: I think in the future will take on growing leadership roles.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll watch over the coming weeks and months to
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  Speaker 2: see if this new team can finally put some heat
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  Speaker 2: on As Angus Taylor calls it a very bad government.
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  Speaker 2: How many days do you reckon it is since the
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  Speaker 2: Bondi terror attack?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Geez to be precise, no, but it's a touch
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  Speaker 4: over two months.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty five days since an alleged Islamic attack on Jews
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  Speaker 2: at Bondai Beach by two gunmen who allegedly had an
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  Speaker 2: ISIS flag in their car. Can you believe just sixty
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  Speaker 2: five days after that, the government is contemplating allowing people
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  Speaker 2: who went to the Middle East to support ISIS to
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  Speaker 2: come back into this country. Thirty four Isis brides and
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  Speaker 2: associated family members on their way back to this country.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony alban Easy gave a press conference today where I
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  Speaker 2: feel like he tried to.
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  Speaker 3: Sound tough while saying nothing. Have a listen. My mother
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  Speaker 3: would say, you make your bed, you lie on it.
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  Speaker 3: But we are not repatrioting these people.
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  Speaker 8: How well you seek to stop them from coming to Australiam, Well.
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  Speaker 3: We're not repatrioting them.
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  Speaker 6: We use, for example, the opposition suggestion of the temper.
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  Speaker 1: Exclusion or not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what we will do are national security issues as
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: we deal with it appropriately upon our bus. Well, you've
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: had advice from your mum. If you make your bed,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you lie in it. So they've made their bed, that's
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: where they lie. They don't come back to cozy, comfy
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: beds in Australia. He's really playing games with the media
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and with the public, isn't he When he says we
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: will not be repatriating them, and when asked well, so
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: what are you going to do to stop them getting here,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: he simply repeats we won't be repatriating them, which means
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing at all. And as for his comments later
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: in that pressor where he says that they will face
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the full weight of the law. That means absolutely nothing,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: and we know it. The last lot of isis Bride
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: who returned to Australia didn't face any significant penalties that
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I'm aware of, So his words are just meaningless. And
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in this country believes that Anthony
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Albanezi or Tony Burke in particular will do anything other
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: than probably race out grab some flowers and chocolates so
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Tony Burke can meet them at the airport.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Indeed, and we must remember, of course, it's not just
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: his playing games on this point today about repatriation. He's
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: been playing games since it was first revealed by Lea
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Mendez and The Australian. The government was very clear in
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: question Time the following day when they were put under
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: pressure by Susan Lee about whether or not any of
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: this was correct. No, no, he just simply dismissed it
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: out of hand.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: There's no way, no involvement of the government not happening.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And then the very.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Next day the New South Wales Police confirmed that they
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: were in discussions with the federal government about how they
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: will deal with this. When they came back to Australia.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: So the federal government was aware of it from the beginning,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: and yes, it may be technically correct to say that
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: the government itself is not repatriating them, because it is
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: not putting the flights on and paying.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: For the flights. It has known and it has been
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: involved in.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: We know of the meetings that Tony Burke was having
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: about this matter. They've known from the beginning what was
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: going on here, and they have done nothing at all
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: to try to stop it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I understand that they are Australian citizens and so they
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: are technically allowed entry back into the country, but we
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: should take every measure possible to prevent that from ever happening.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Concerned, the moment you leave Australian territory and head overseas
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: to join a terrorist organization, you have voluntarily ceded your
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: right to be a.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Part of this country.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, what else can you do to without physically
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: signing a piece of paper to say I no longer
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: want to be an Australian citizen. What else can you
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: do to say I don't want to be an Australian citizen.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: You don't get to go and be a part of
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: a foreign terrorist organization and then later say, oh, I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: very sorry, I didn't know what was going on and
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: while have been over there being knocked up and now
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: want to bring my kith.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So why why is that so obvious to all of
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: us and yet apparently not obvious to Anthony Albanesi.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Well, I think we have to ask who's making the decisions.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Who is the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke who has
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: known about plans in the Muslim community to bring these
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Isis brides back as far back as mid twenty twenty
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: four Tony Burke. So maybe it was true when Alberizi
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: was in question time he personally was not involved in
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: any of these plans. He personally did not know the details.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: But I guarantee you there were others in his government
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: that knew what was going on and either chose or
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Albanize didn't want to know the details so he could
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: get up and not mislead parliament, or those details were
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: purposefully withheld from him because they knew the political blowback
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: of bringing back Isis brides and their children would be
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: in enormous. But you've always got to ask in politics
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: who benefits from this and Tony Burke benefits from this.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of labor ministers who have high
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Muslim populations in their electrics, right so, and.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Key Tony Burke backer Jamal Reefy I think his name is,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: is someone who is behind this plan, who started a
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Friends of Burke group. He woreried jumper supporting Tony Burke
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: when he was on Sky News.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm really surprised Jamal riff is involved in it,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to be honest, because Jamal Riffy has always Doctor Jamal
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Riffis has always been sort of the face of the
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: moderate Muslim.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Movement in Australia. And why he wants to get caught
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: up in this I do not know. Now.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether you have been watching the Winter
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Olympics at all. Of course, over in Milan, a couple
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: of interesting odd things going on at the Winter Olympics
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: in Milan. It should be noted they've made a film
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: about it, in fact, and we have an exclusive excerpt
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: to show you from this film about some of the
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: odd goings on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: One Swedish made penis in larger pump, that's not mind.
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: One credit card receipt for Swedish made penis in larger
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: signed by Austin Powers.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that was Austin Powers.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying anything about the Swedish in particular
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: here it should be noted, but there is a case
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: of penis enlargement at the Winter Olympics, allegedly. Now, this
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: all started a few weeks ago and there was a
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: newspaper out of Germany that reported that ski jumpers were
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: having their penises orgmented, the sizes of them augmented in
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: order to increase the size of the suits they were wearing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: And now this became a bit of a media flurry,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: as you can imagine, but they couldn't actually track down
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: anyone that they knew of who had done this.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: It was just sort of an errant claim.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I wanted to admit to it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, funny about that is good Ward has said they
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: would look into it, but it didn't go much further
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: than that until there's now in a doctor tracked down
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: by USA today who apparently specializes in augmenting the sizes
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: of penises, and he does so by injecting them with
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: hyaluronic acid. And he has confirmed that within the last
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: month he has injected a ski jumper with hyaluronic acid
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: to increase the size of his manhood.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Now you might be.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Saying, okay, what's that got to do with ski jumping?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Very simply, Apparently, the larger the surface area of the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: suit you wear while you are ski jumping, the better
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the aerodynamics you get. And so if you increase the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: size of your manhood, it means you get to wear
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: a larger suit. Now, apparently, for every two centimeters in
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: suit size circumference that you add, it means you get
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: a five percent increase in lift, which is then equal
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: to another five point eight meters in distance that you
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: can achieve in the jump.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And we be mad not to So we now.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Have a doctor on record saying he has done this
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: for a ski jumper.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: The ski jumper.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Apparently said that he did it because he was embarrassed
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: about the size of his manhood when he went.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Back to the change rooms after jumping.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: And it has nothing apparently to do with the size
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: of the suit he gets towere.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But what an incredible theory.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Can ask a question, mister Bond, Yes you can, James.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Is it a sale or a runner? What's the I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: trying to understand.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know I don't know.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Look, if you told me that having your little fella
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: injected with hyaluronic acid you had a better chance of
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: winning a gold medal at the Olympic Games, the Winter
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Olympic Games, I would have said you were mad. But
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: apparently someone's worked this out and they may be giving
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: it a go.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: My question is, actually I have so many questions I
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: don't know if I really want the answers to most
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: of them. But one question I have so hyaluronic acid
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: is not a questions to Kayla, to Caleb, who's the
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: expert on enlargement. Hyaluronic acid is not a banned substance.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: If they did say we're going to crack down on
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: penis enlargement at the Winter Olympics, how would they enforce that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Would they have to measure everyone before and taken.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: For mere getting into dangerous chater? I don't know, Because,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: of course, the argument is that the substance itself, hyaluronic
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: acid is not He's not banned, so.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It is technically it's not performance correct in.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And of itself.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: It's not like you know, taking EPO or something that
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: would improve the blood flow. But if it is, then
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: resulting in a performance enhancement. In another way, I guess
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you could perhaps not ban the same substance, but ban
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the use of the substance in certain forms because it
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: then gives some sort of performance enhancement.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I should point out there were two Norwegian ski jumpers
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: last year who were suspended for three months after they
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: had not manipulated their bodies, but they had manipulated the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: seams in the groin area of their suit to make
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: it large, to try to get more surface area to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: become more aerodynamics. So this has been happening in various forms,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: but this is an extreme if you forgive the pun
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: length to go to to try and win a gold medal.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Well, athletes do train hard and yeah, I guess they
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: will stop, but nothing to get the gold medal. Let's
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: move on. Now, you know nothing is safe in pop
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: culture anymore. Everything is at risk of cancelation because it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: not politically correct enough. Well, one of the best movies
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: of the nineties, Silence of the Lambs, is now being
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: criticized by it's star Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: the serial killer in the movie, for apparently being transphobic
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: and villifying trans people. It's the thirty fifth anniversary of
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: the film's release, and he said there are certain aspects
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: of the movie that don't hold up too well. We
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: all know more and I'm a lot wiser about transgender issues.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: There are some lines in that scripted movie that are unfortunate.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: It's just over time and having gotten aware and worked
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: with trans folks and understanding a bit more about the
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: culture and the reality of the meaning of gender, it's
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: unfortunate that the film vilified that, and it's effing wrong.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: And you can quote me on that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: What he's referring to is in the movie, the serial
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: killer would kill young women and then use their skin
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: to dress up as a woman. But in the movie,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Hannibal Lecter explicitly said that Buffalo Bill is not a
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: real transsexual. It was clear that wasn't the intention behind
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: the movie. So for the star whose career was made
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: from this movie to turn around and criticize it like this,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: it's just a joke.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Well, Ted Levine, in the same interview where he says
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that you know this was terrible for trans people, he
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: says that he never played the character as a gay
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: or trans person.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: He played the.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Character as a sort of a mentally disturbed heterosexual man.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So the actor says, by his own admission, it wasn't transphobic.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The script itself says that the man was not trans
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and it was at a very different time when trans
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: issues received nowhere near the attention that they do now.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Just to refresh your memories for some who have forgotten
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the movie, he's a brief portion of it. That's Ted
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Levine playing the villain in the movie. It seems to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: me like Ted Levine has said one of those stupid
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: but necessary things that Hollywood actors must say if they
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: want to get work next year.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: But they don't have to, like, just don't open your mouth,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: don't go.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Anywhere near it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter because, as you said, the film explicitly
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: says that it is not a transsexual character. And that
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: is done so because because the character of Buffalo Bill
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: is basically playing out a fantasy of wanting to look
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: like a woman.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But it is.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Explained in both the book and the film that that
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: is because he's psychotic. It's not actually because he's going
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: through genuine feelings of gender dysphoria.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It's a completely different thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: It's also in the script of the film that there
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: is quote no connection between being transsexual and violently Like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: how much more do you have to do to make
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: it clear that this was not a commentary on transsexual
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: or transgender people. But it's once again a case of
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: taking something from another time and trying to.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Apply today's standards to.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: It, as though we can't all see that it was
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: done many years ago.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It's like the is the episode of Faulty.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Towers, you know, the Germans where Basil Faulty. You know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I mentioned the war once, but I think I got
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: away with it, and he does the funny walk and whatever,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: And now they put a little thing at the start
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: of the episode to say some viewers might find this incentive.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness sake, get over it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think the actor Ted Levine really believes that
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it was offensive to trans people. I think thirty five
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: years ago he was playing to an audience when he
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: played that character, and today, making these statements, he's still
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: playing to an audience. Maybe the best thing we can
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: do is get rid of actors all together. Think how
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: much better the Grammy Awards would be if we weren't
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: being lectured by actors and actresses and we wouldn't have
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to put up with statements like the one we've just
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: talked about. Well, the good news is now we can
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: literally get rid of actors have Look at this clip
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of a movie coming soon starring Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You killed Jeffrey Epstein. He was a good man.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: He knew too much about our Russia operations. He had
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: to die and now you die too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Now that's not actually a movie coming soon. That's a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: fifteen second clip.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: You mean those words didn't come out of the mouths
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: of bread.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I would actually watch a movie that had that scrat
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I wanted to know where it was going to go.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: That clip was generated by AI, the Chinese platform Seed
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Dance comes from the makers of TikTok, and what's astonishing
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is not only how real it seemed.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: But how quickly it was put together.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: The guy who created that using the AI platform says
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: he literally used a two line prompt to the II
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: generator and was able to create that scene.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Makes you wonder what we're paying for when they can.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Create clips that good that quickly. The Screen Actors Guild
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: have complained to the Chinese company. I thought the complaint
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was interesting. They accused the Chinese company of disregarding the law,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: disregarding ethics, disregarding industry standards, and disregarding basic principles of consent.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: So basically, they accused the Chinese company of being a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Chinese company.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Very fair point, now, but you know, if you're using
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: AI to generate a graphics or animations that don't use
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the likeness of a real person, that's a different kettle
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of fish.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But you can't unless you are licensing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Your face and your body or your voice or whatever
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: to be used in a film for commercial purposes like that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: it does raise huge ethical concerns. I mean, I wonder now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I was a court reporter at one point. Often, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you have evidence that it is admitted to the court,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: that is video evidence of things. If you can generate
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: AI content that good.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Who's to say.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: That in a court room when you're looking at evidence,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: or if you're working at a newspaper And I used
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: to have to you know, people had send in stuff
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: all the time and I'd have to sort of assess
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: this this reel or is it not the job of
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: doing that now is going to become so difficult if
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: the capabilities are that high.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Disney also issued a cease and desist letter
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: to this company saying that they had used Disney films
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: without license to train the AI model. So it's not
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: just the likeness of the actors, which you could reasonably say,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: your image, your voice, your brand belongs to you. You
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be able to just have an AI generated version
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: of it, but also all the other components that go
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: into generating an AI clip like that had to come
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: from somewhere, and Disney's alleging came from their films, indeed
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: very quickly.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Before we get to a break, Europe is now talking
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: about the idea France in particular of increasing their nuclear armory.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: They've sniffed the wind.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: They've obviously noticed that Donald Trump has put the wind
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: up them and said you need to start thinking about
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: your own defense. And Emmanuel mccrond, president of France, has
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: now said that within the month he will come out
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: and give a speech in which he will basically outline
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: more or less how Europe could come up with its
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: own defense on the basis of small nuclear weapons that
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: they could use so that don't have to be so
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: reliant on the UK to step in in a situation
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: or the US to step in. I mean, it makes
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of sense. One of the great things Trump
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: has done in this space is to encourage other countries.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: That they have to look after themselves. And this would
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: seem like an obvious way to get involved in your
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: own pretense.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: It's never going to happen.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Why because European countries would have to give up the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: welfare state to afford nuclear weapons.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And there's no way in hell they're ever going to
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I know. But we should be looking at this in Australia.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: If we were actually serious about standing on our own
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: two feet, why don't we have nuclear weapons? This is
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: the ultimate deterrence, the ultimate insurance policy. We can't always
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: just rely on the United States to come to our aid.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: And the stronger we are as a nation, the stronger
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: our alliance will be with the United States.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: All Right, On that note, we're going to go to
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: including private health insurance premiums about to rise again.
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  Speaker 3: That's coming up after the break.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. And Freyer in Adelaide. It's all
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: about the continuing search for missing Gus.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Lamont, exactly right. It's very sad. The headline is Gusses
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Aerial Angels. A police helicopter searching for missing four year
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: old Gus Lamond was deployed to a national park on
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Tuesday morning to scour difficult to access terrain next to
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: the station where the little boy mysteriously vanished. Four police
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: cadaver dogs trained to detect human remains searched more mind shafts,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: tunnels and an outhouse on the family's Oak Park station
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: where fresh cement was recently laid. However, Task Force Horizon
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: detectives confirmed no new evidence had been found during the
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: fresh two day search for the missing youngster, who disappeared
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: from the station in September last year. It's just tragic,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: but no new evidence and they're still searching, so you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: we can only hope that they find something soon. In
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  Speaker 5: the Australian Tomorrow, nine in spin on seven hundred thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars to witness. The nine spin machine was cranked up
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: and working over time as the media giant declared nothing
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: to see here after it lost its bid to suppress
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  Speaker 5: a seven hundred thousand dollars payment to a witness in
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: the Ben Robert Smith defamation case. Nothing new emerges from
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: the expiring of the non publication order. Nine claimed in
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  Speaker 5: a statement on Monday as the midnight deadline loomed that
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: certainly wasn't what it had been saying. Is it fought
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: tooth and nail in the federal court to keep the
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: mammoth payment and the deed of settlement secret for fifty years?
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is the obvious question. You were asking
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: for a suppression order for half a century that obviously
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: was not granted, and now you go, ugh, it's all good, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure about that, calib you're a former reporter.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Does this surprise you which element of it, the fact
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that they paid the money or the nine is spinning it?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And I'm very surprised they paid the money, and no
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: wonder they wanted to keep its secret.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, once you've got the egg on your face,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: you kin'd have to pretend you've not got the egg
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: on your face and wipe it away, which is what
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: they're attempting to do now. But the reality is, you
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: don't ask for a fifty year suppression order on a
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: piece of information unless you think it would be a
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: real problem for people to know that you had done it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Thank Heavens, the court didn't buy into that in the end,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: and it raises serious questions about the veracity of what
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: they were doing around Ben Roberts Smith. I mean, that
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: is a hell of a lot of money to spend
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: on a witness in a case like that.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, the reason.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: They wanted it suppressed beyond the fact that it is embarrassing,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: is that it raises all of those questions and this
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: is not going to go away.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite part of the article is where it says
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: they fought to have the submission against the suppression be suppressed.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: So there you go. There's a lot of sup should't.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Happening, a lot of suppression. Also in the Australian Tomorrow,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Arts Veterans slams indifference towards the persecution of Jews, Archibald
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: and Solomon Prize winning painter dom Storia has accused cultural
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: leaders and artists of callous indifference and a lack of
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: moral courage over the sector's rising and widespread anti semitism.
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  Speaker 5: In a provocative address to the Sydney Institute think tank
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: to be delivered on Wednesday Night. Storia says he is
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: deeply concerned by what I see as the increasing marginalization
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: of Jewish Australians within significant parts of our cultural life.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: He says the culture industry, the industry culture is increasingly
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: driven by ideology and identity politics rather than by esthetic judgment,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: adding we have arrived at an unfortunate alliance of convenience,
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: the woke LGBTQA plus indigenous feminist progressives and radical Islam.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: And I believe that this culture of hatred, in this
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: culture hatred of Jews has emerged sadly yet again.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: I mean to hear an artist, a very celebrated artable
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: prize winning artist, speaks so clearly about what Jewish artists
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: and cultural figures have been saying, but just calling it
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: out directly and saying, hang on, art shouldn't be about politics.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: It should actually be about aesthetics. What a breath of
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: fresh air?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And I think you're right.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: This is not new in the sense that we all
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: know this has been going on, but he's called it
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: out in very plain language and when you read it
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that plane and that roar, it's quite confronting. And so
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: it should be because it's been absolutely horrific what's been
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: done to Jewish people generally and more particularly in the arts.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Herald's Sun.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: We all know Victoria's got a major crime problem. Well,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: here's a possible solution. Road to Hope, reads the headline.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: A radical new initiative involving reformed young criminals mentoring youths
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: on bail or just released from jail, is being heralded
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: as a key to tackling Melbourne's crime scourge. The Herald
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Son can reveal that the bold new program, backed by
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the Police Chief Commissioner Mike Bush, has been trialed with
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: three ex offenders working with as many as twenty young.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Recidivists with huge success.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: They haven't really defined why it's been hugely successful. I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: guess the recidivists are no longer recidivising.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: What's the word I'm looking at for? Been a word
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: much easier. I should have just gone for that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: It makes sense to use people who have been there,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: done that, seen the error of their ways as mentors.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Young people who have gone off the tracks probably aren't
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: going to listen to mum and dad. That's why they're
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: in trouble. They're certainly not listening to law officers. Maybe
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: they'll respect someone who's been on that side of the tracks.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: And reformed, someone who can in effect speak their language,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I suppose, and understands what they're talking about and can
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: talk about the era of their ways. And obviously this
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: is at the moment a small trial. We'll see what
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: happens as it is rolled out on a broader scale.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, something tells me.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: That if you've got three people working with twenty youth
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: criminals in Victoria, it ain't going to turn the dial.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: It's something and if it works, glad to see it
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: rolled out. But you know, they can't think this is
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: the panacea.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I know this might be cynical, but I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: this is probably just just into Alan looking at the
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: polls and realizing she's screwed and they need to try
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: anything and everything to get some positive headlines.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I think you might be right about that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the other story that's interesting on the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: front page of Tomorrow's Herald's Sun.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Health costs skyrocket.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Private health insurance premiums will rise at their fastest rate
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: in almost a decade after the federal government approved a
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: whopping four point four to one percent average hike from April.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Health mister Mark Butler said the above inflation increase reflects
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: right and costs of providing medical and hospital services, which
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: jump five percent last financial year. About fifteen million Australians
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: have private health insurance at a time when most people
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: are really struggling with rent and or mortgage and or groceries.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: This is the last thing a lot of people need.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: But what do you do. You've got to have health insurance.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: This is the effect of inflation. I mean, you know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: the thing that has nothing to do with government spending.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Of course, when you get your large bill this year
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: for private health insurance, it's going to four point four
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: one percent. You can put the blame at the door
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: of Jim Charmers, and I wonder what he has to
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: say about that. Nothing to do with him, I suppose
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: on the front of the Canberra Times tomorrow, if you
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: want a friend, get a dog, great advice. Andrew Bass,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: his labor and the Greens are obviously not friends anymore,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: responding to an attack on his ministry by accusing Shane
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Rattenbury and his party of quote secretive behind the scenes
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: talks to claim government. The hostilities between the former coalition
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: partner has deepened amid revelations the Greens were quote building
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: the plane as we were flying it in their talks
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: with the Liberals.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So I just I love that. You know they often
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: saying in politics, if you want a friend, get a dog.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: But it's a sad day when the Labor Party isn't
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: even getting on with the Greens anymore because they've been talking.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: To the Liberals. What a strange turn of events.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, let's go to a break. When we
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: come back.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: A New South Wales business owner's unusual solution to phelic
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: art graffiti on his lawn.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: We'll tell you about that in just a moment.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the late debate. All right, a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: very unusual story in New South Wales. Business owner Caleb
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: had some unsavory graffiti, but he's got a solution.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Indeed, Rick Smith of Havenwood Tiny Homes at Jambaroo in
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: New South Wales, he builds these tiny homes that is
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: used for eco tourism. Basically, you go and stay in
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: one of these things and you feel good about the
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: environment because they're carbon neutral law something but something not
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: so tiny has been burnt into his grass and he
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: has the solution.
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: So check this out. We've got a big penis in
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: our front yard. I don't know that that's really gonna
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: cut it with our egoduruisim. It's not really the look
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: we're after. So we're gonna have a competition. I want
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: the mister Squiggles of the world to come out of
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: the woodwork and say, RICO, I can turn that into
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: some that's probably more more adaptable to your ecotourism. So
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: check this out, Penis forth. So, I don't know, maybe
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: some flowers, maybe some big rocks.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Weather nuts are I don't know, Silja Regged, I mean
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: master marketer, this fella.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: If you want to get your brand out there, he's
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: offering come with a can a round up and burn
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: some more of my grass and you can have a
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: free holiday, he said in the caption of the post.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Don't get shafted by missing out.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: There's a guy who knows how to turn lemons into lemonade.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: And here we are talking about it on the Telly
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: and the clips going viral online. You know he's taken
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: a bad situation in his team.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I got to say he's quite the character isn't he
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: He is wholly entertaining and he's a hard worker.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Cleanly took get on him.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: That's one way to do things well. Logan Paul has
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: sold one of the rarest Pokemon cards in the world,
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: I should say. Logan Paul is an American influencer and YouTuber.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: He's sold this Pokemon card of Pikachew for sixteen point
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: five million US dollars. Now that might seem extraordinary, but
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: it gets more extraordinary when you realize he bought this
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: card for just five point two million dollars in twenty
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: twenty one, So it's appreciated from five point two to
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: sixteen point five million dollars in just five years. Not
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: a bad return on investment.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I never knew that Pokemon could be so incredibly prosperous.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: You know, there are antiques, there are fine works of art,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: there are bottles of.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Wine that are hundreds of years old, and there's someone
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: out there paying sixty million Australian dollars for a pro Pokemon.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Forget buying antiques, Kaler Pokemon cards are much better.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: In fact way they've been saying that about Lego for
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: ages too.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: You buy Lego sets unopened and they appreciate like nobody's.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: All right now.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Kaler,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: but your state of South Australia is in all sorts
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: of trouble. The main pool at South Australia's Aquatic and
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Leisure Center has been closed down for a deep clean
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: after a highly infectious parasite was found in the pool.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Authorities are pleading with swimmers, don't swim if you've got diarrhea.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Now this is not the first time.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Just the other week the Adelaie Aquatic Center was closed
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: down with the same problem. That was the day after
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the toddlers pool was closed down because of a floater
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: or a submarine or an unsinkable speakable it was in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the pool. And that comes only a few days after
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a swimming carnival at Bellaclava War Memorial Pool had to
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: be shut down because they found an electric current was
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: running through the water where four hundred kids were swimming.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is about South Australian pools,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: but the ocean is a lot safer than your average
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: SA pool.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: My theory is it's a bunch of liberals who are
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: crapping their decks about the upcoming state election.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Very good.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That's it from US stick Around. Coming up in just
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a moment is the Reader Panety Show, Good Night,