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Colorado Teen, 19, Accused of Killing His Parents in Murder-Suicide Plot · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So on February fourteenth, twenty twenty six, a mother named
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  Amanda logged onto Facebook to celebrate a milestone right her
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  son's birthday exactly. She posted this deeply affectionate, just incredibly
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  relatable tribute for her oldest son's nineteenth birthday. I mean,
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  it's the exact kind of thing you scroll past on
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  your own feed, hit like on and just smile at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally normal.
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  Speaker 1: The post read quote nineteen years of being a boy mom,
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  the ups and downs and in between. I hope you
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  know what I mean when I say I love you
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  always and forever.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes on, I am thankful for another trip
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  around the sun with you, praying for an amazing year
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  full of blessings. Happy birthday, son, and she attached some photos.
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  Speaker 2: It was basically a digital monument to maternal love.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. It painted a picture of a tight knit,
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  perfectly ordinary family. You look at it and there's just
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  no ambiguity about how she felt about her kid.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's a snapshot of genuine connection, the kind of
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  public declaration that leaves no room for doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But and this is where it just gets so hard
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  to process. Just eight weeks later, the physical reality of
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  that family shattered in a way that defies all logic.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: In the pre dawn hours of April fourth, Pueblo, Colorado
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  police received an automated alert for gunshots, followed almost immediately
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  by these panic nine one one calls, and when they
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  arrived at a neighborhood just east of Joplin Avenue, they
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  found Amanda dead. They found her a strange ex husband,
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  Glenn Allen Beeman Junior, dead as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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  Speaker 1: And then ten to fifteen miles away, that same nineteen
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  year old son, the boy from that birthday post, was
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  found dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to even wrap your mind around.
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  Speaker 1: The boy she prayed would have an amazing year full
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  of blessings, had without warning or prior criminal history, taken
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  her life, his father's life, and his.
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  Speaker 2: Own, which leads us staring at an absolute void. I mean,
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  how do you travel from a public declaration of unconditional
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  love to a double murder suicide in just fifty six days.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly the mystery driving today's deep dive. We
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  are working from a really soberin report titled system Failure.
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  The b man, family murder, suicide, and mental health crisis.
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  Speaker 2: It's a heavy one today.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And before we go any further, I actually
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  need to pause and speak directly to you, the listener.
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  We are issuing a very clear, very serious trigger warning
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  right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, please take this seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Today's deep dive involves detailed, really harrowing discussions of a
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  double homicide, suicide, severe mental health collapse, gun violence.
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  Speaker 2: And parricide, which is the killing of a parent by.
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  Speaker 1: A child exactly. We will be analyzing some graphic elements
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  of a crime scene and broader statistics on youth violence
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  and suicide.
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  Speaker 2: Your well being has to be the priority here, absolutely so.
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  If you or someone you know is experiencing a mental
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  health crisis, suicidal thoughts, or any kind of emotional distress
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  right now, or even if this discussion just becomes too
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  heavy for you, please pause the audio, take a break, Yes,
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  and please reach out. You can contact an now national
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  suicide and crisis lifeline immediately by calling or texting nine
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  to eight eight. It is completely confidential and help is
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  available twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, because our focus today is heavily centered
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  on systemic events, specifically in Colorado. We want to provide
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  localized resources for anyone listening in that area, right, that's crucial.
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  You can reach Colorado Crisis Services at one eight four
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  four four nine three eight two five five, or you
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  can text the word talk K to three eight two
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  five five.
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  Speaker 2: And there's also the Pike's Peak Suicide Prevention Center.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, their number is seven one nine five seven three
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  seven four four seven. So please exercise profound discretion as
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  you listen to this analysis today.
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  Speaker 2: It's so essential to ground this conversation in those resources
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  because our goal today is decidedly not to indulge in
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  true crime sensationalism.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Treating a family's darkest, most agonizing hour as entertainment does
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  a massive disservice to the victims in the community.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just disrespectful, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We're utilizing this tragic event as a magnified glass. We're
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  looking at this specific localized nightmare to understand a massive
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  systemic failure and youth mental health care that is happening
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  right in front.
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  Speaker 1: Of us, often entirely behind closed doors. I think when
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  we usually talk about a system failing, like say a
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  bridge collapsing or a massive power grid going offline. There's
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  this expectation of precision in the post mortem.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, we rely on the comfort of engineering.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You pull up the blueprints, you find the exact
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  stress point, the rusted rivet, the overloaded circuit, and an
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  investigator just points a pen at it and says, there
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  it is. That's why it broke.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly clean. We crave that binary structural explanation, we
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  really do. We want the failure to be visible, to
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  be categorized, and most importantly, to be easily fixable with
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  a new set of regulations or a fresh coded.
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  Speaker 1: Paint, because it gives us this necessary illusion of total
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  societal control exactly. But the moment you step into the
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  world of neurodevelopment, family dynamics and the mental health care infrastructure,
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  that clean in fitting engineering blueprint just bursts into flames.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone.
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  Speaker 1: It is. We are looking at a landscape that is
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  incredibly murky, where the warning signs are basically invisible, and
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  the structural failures happen inside the human mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just point to a rusted rivet in
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  the brain.
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  Speaker 1: No, you can't, so even begin to understand the fracture
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  of the Beeman family. We have to look at the
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  exact moment the timeline broke and the specific environment where
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  it happened.
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  Speaker 2: And the environment is crucial here. This didn't happen in
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  a vacuum. It happened in Pueblo, Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Let's set that scene. So it's Friday, April fourth, twenty
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  twenty six. The city of Pueblo has a population of
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  roughly one hundred and ten thousand. For those of you
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  unfamiliar with the area, Pueblo is really defined by its history.
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  It's a steel town, very blue collar, extremely it has
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  a deeply entrenched blue collar identity, a lot of steel
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  workers pride, and it sits right there in the shadow
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  of the mountains. It's a place where resilience is practically
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  a local currency.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tough town, but a proud one exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So. At roughly at one point zero one am, the
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  Pueblo Police Department gets an alert. But it's not just
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  a frantic voice on the other end of a phone.
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  It's a dual alert.
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  Speaker 2: Which changes everything for dispatch.
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  Speaker 1: Right they receive a shot spotter gunshot detection notification combined
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  with a nine to one one emergency call.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at the mechanics of that response for a second.
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  Because shot spotter technology is a highly sophisticated acoustic surveillance system.
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  Speaker 1: How does it actually work.
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  Speaker 2: Well. It utilizes a network of sensors placed around a
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  city to detect, locate an alert police to the sound
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  of gunfire in real time. Okay, So when dispatch receives
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  that automated acoustic sensor ping and it instantly correlates with
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  a human being calling nine to one one from the
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  exact same geolocation, the response paradigm shifts entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Because they know it's not a false alarm exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Law enforcement isn't just going to investigate a noise complaint
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  like kids setting off fireworks. They know they're walking into
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  an active threat environment. The mobilization is instantaneous.
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  Speaker 1: So they are routed to the twelve hundred block of
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  East fourth Street near Joplin Avenue, and what they find
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  is the kind of chaotic, devastating scene that haunts first responders.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nightmare scenario.
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  Speaker 1: They discover two deceased victims. One is found out in
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  the roadway and the other victim is located inside a vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: Preliminarily, it is all the hallmarks of a targeted violent ambush.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like a hit almost right.
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  Speaker 2: But while investigators are securing this double homicide scene on
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  East fourth Street, a completely separate but parallel emergency is
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  unfolding with the Pueblo County Sheriff's Office.
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  Speaker 1: And the logistics of this timeline are what make the
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  realization so chilling for the investigators. The second incident is
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  reported in Pueblo West.
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  Speaker 2: Which is not a short walk, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Pueblo West is approximately ten to fifteen miles away from
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  the East fourth Street scene.
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  Speaker 2: And geographically, a ten to fifteen mile drive in that region,
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  particularly in the middle of the night, establishes a very
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  specific temporal gap.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You can't just teleport there exactly.
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  Speaker 2: There is a physical distance and a time distance between
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  these two locations. And in Pueblo West, authorities discover a
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  nineteen year old male dead from a self inflicted gunshot. Ones.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so put yourself in the shoes of the detectives here.
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  They are piecing together this puzzle in real time.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible police work.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, the Swiss realization by law enforcement here is a
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  testament to their communication. They connect these two disparate scenes
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  separated by miles. Almost immediately they realize it's connected. Yes,
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  they identify the young man in Preblo West as the
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  primary and only suspect in the double homicide on East fourth.
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  Speaker 2: Street, and once the coroner's office confirms the identities, the
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  true agonizing scope of the tragedy just locks into place. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The victims on East fourth Street are Glenn Allen Beeman Junior,
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  who is forty years old, and Amandalie mannon forty one,
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  and suspect, the nineteen year old suspect in Pueblo West
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  is their son, Glenn Allen Beeman, the third.
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  Speaker 2: It's devastating.
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  Speaker 1: It is a double murder suicide executed by a son
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  against his own parents. The suspect perishes at the scene,
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  which means no arrests can be made, no one can
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  be interrogated, and the traditional avenues of criminal justice immediately evaporate.
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  Speaker 2: The police naturally emphasized that the investigation remains active and ongoing,
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  which protects the integrity of the forensics and the final reports.
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  But the community is suddenly left staring at an incomprehensible loss.
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  Speaker 1: I want to focus on that community impact for a second,
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  because The timing of this event relative to Pueblo's broader
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  trajectory is deeply significant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the context is so important.
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  Speaker 1: We mentioned Pueblo is a resilient city. In fact, twenty
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  twenty five was a monumental celebratory year for public safety there.
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  Speaker 2: They were doing incredibly well.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout all of twenty twenty five, a city of one
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  hundred and ten thousand people recorded just thirteen homicides.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that was a massive thirty five percent drop from
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  twenty twenty four. Was the lowest annual total since twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: The crime was genuinely plummeting exactly Overall.
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  Speaker 1: Part one crimes meaning homicide, assault, robbery, burglary fell by
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  five percent across the board. They were winning. Pueblo was
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  a community finally catching his breath after years of battling
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  violent crime.
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  Speaker 2: The trend lines were universally positive, the civic infrastructure was
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  functioning the way it was supposed to.
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  Speaker 1: And then on April fourth, twenty twenty six, this happens.
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  These depths became the fourth and fifth homicides of the
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  year for the city, and it completely derails the narrative
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  of safety.
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  Speaker 2: It breaks the illusion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to explain
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  the psychological impact this has on a town. If a
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  city's crime rate is dropping, you assume everyone is safer, right,
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  But it's almost like an immunological response. Imagine Pueblo had
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  spent years building up its civic antibodies to fight off
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  external viruses, street violence, gang disputes, robberies.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They fortified the immune system.
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  Speaker 1: And it worked. The city was healthy. But this tragedy
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  wasn't an external virus. It was an autoimmune response.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really powerful way to frame it.
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  Speaker 1: The violence originated from within the nucleus of a single
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  family cell, turning on itself. The city's external defenses they're
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  dropping crime rates offered absolutely zero protection against an internal collapse.
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  Speaker 2: That autoimmune analogy is incredibly precise. Law enforcement and civic
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  policies are structured to deal with external societal threats. They
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  patrol streets, they light up dark alleys, they dismantle organized crime.
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  But when the threat originates from within the psychological architecture
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  of a single home, broader statistics become completely irrelevant.
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  Speaker 1: You can't arrest a thought.
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  Speaker 2: No, you cannot police your way out of a severe
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  psychiatric emergency. Occurring in a teenager's bedroom. It forces a
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  community to suddenly realize that they are completely vulnerable to
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  underlying invisible fractures that aren't captured by police data.
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  Speaker 1: Which means to understand the shockwaves this sent through Pueblo,
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  we have to look past the police tape and the
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  shot spotter data. We have to look at the ordinary people.
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  Speaker 2: At the center of it, the family.
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  Speaker 1: The sources note that Glenn Junior and Amanda were estranged
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  at the time of their deaths. They were navigating the
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  complex waters of co parenting multiple children.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's never easy.
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  Speaker 1: Amanda, often called Mandy by her friends and family, is
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  universally described in tributes as a fiercely devoted mother. Glenn
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  Junior had a slightly lower public profile, but relatives emphasized
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  the couple's shared history.
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  Speaker 2: They were just normal people.
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  Speaker 1: Hard working, family oriented, color rabins, no criminal history, no
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  public domestic disputes.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to note a very slight nomenclature detail
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  in the source text, just for total accuracy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure.
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  Speaker 2: When Amanda's brother released a public statement, he referred to
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  her estranged ex husband, Glenn Beaman Sior. However, the official
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  police and coroner reports identify him as Glenn Allen Beeman Junior.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to maintain focus on the official facts,
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  but it highlights how families often use slightly different naming
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  case inventions than official records. Regardless of the suffix, the
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  foundational fact remains they were an estranged couple co parenting
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  their children.
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  Speaker 1: Let's play Devil's advocate for a moment, because I know
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  what you, the listener might be thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, right people want to find a reason.
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  Speaker 1: You hear estranged parents, you hear co parenting, and the
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  brain naturally wants to construct a motive out of that.
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  People might assume, oh, it is a bitter divorce, the
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  kids were caught in the middle, and the teenager just
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  snapped under the pression of a toxic household.
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  Speaker 2: It's an incredibly common assumption. Yeah, But clinically and statistically,
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  we have to be incredibly careful not to draw a
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  causal line between estrangement and parricide.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's just not there in the data exactly.
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  Speaker 2: There's absolutely zero evidence in the source material suggesting that
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  their separation caused this violence. Millions of families navigate estrangement
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  and co parenting every single day. Without it escalating to homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super common.
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  Speaker 2: However, what we can say is that the underlying stress
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  of navigating separated lives, the logistical shifts, the emotional tension
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  of a fractured household, It creates a highly complex emotional environment.
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  Speaker 1: It creates a baseline of stress exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And in an environment with a heightened baseline of stress,
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  if a severe underlying mental illness is beginning to take
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  root in a teenager, the subtle early warning signs of
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  that illness might be entirely missed. How so well, a
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  parent might see a teenager withdrawing to his room, acting
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  moody or exhibiting strange behavior and misinterpret it and they're thinking, oh,
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  he's just having a hard time with.
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  Speaker 1: The separation, rather than realizing something medical is happening.
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  Speaker 2: Right, The miss that he is experiencing the onset of
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  a profound neurological disorder. The normal stress of the family
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  dynamic acts as a camouflage for the disease.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us right back to that Facebook post, that
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  digital footprint, because as a society, we look at that
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  boy Mom tribute and then we look at the crime
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  scene photos and it creates this massive, irreconcilable cognitive dissonance.
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  Speaker 2: It breaks our brains.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really struggling to wrap my head around it. How
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  do we reconcile a mother's deeply articulated, very public love
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  in February with the fact that just eight weeks later,
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  that exact same sun annihilates his family. How do we
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  square the public post with the private reality.
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  Speaker 2: We struggle with it because human beings are desperate for
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  linear emotional logic.
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  Speaker 1: We want a to lead to b we do.
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  Speaker 2: If a son commits an act of unimaginable violence against
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  his mother, our brains demand that there must have been deep,
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  visible hatred. We want to believe there's a long documented
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  history of violence that everyone foolishly ignored.
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  Speaker 1: Because if that's true, then we can spot the danger
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  in our own lives precisely.
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  Speaker 2: But severe mental illness does not respect linear emotional logic.
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  The love Amanda expressed in that post was, without a doubt,
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  one hundred percent real.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that the absolute.
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  Speaker 2: Tragedy is that love, no matter how profound, no matter
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  how fiercely a mother feels it, is not a pharmacological
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  cure for acute psychosis. Yeah, a digital footprint only captures
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  the curated milestones. It is entirely to the invisible neurochemical
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  collapse happening in the dark spaces between those milestones.
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  Speaker 1: That dissonance. The gap between the loving mother and the
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  horrific outcome is so vast that it almost demands an explanation,
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  and the only explanation we have comes from the surviving.
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  Speaker 2: Family, which is very rare.
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  Speaker 1: In the immediate aftermath, when most families would shut their doors,
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  hire lawyers, and refuse to speak to the press, this
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  family did something extraordinary. They released a statement that purposefully
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  and aggressively shifted the narrative away from malicious criminal intent
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  and toward a catastrophic medical emergency.
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  Speaker 2: The public statement released by the uncle is perhaps one
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  of the most remarkable and clinical aspects of this entire tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into that Eric Manyon is Amanda's brother, and
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  he is Glenn the Third's uncle. The blood was barely
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  dry on the street, the town was spinning in rumor
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  and shock, and Eric Mannon took to Facebook to speak
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  on behalf of the family.
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  Speaker 2: He was incredibly brave.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't offer a no comment, He didn't he directly
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  attributed the tragedy to and I am quoting from the
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  source material here a catastrophic failure within the mental health system.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: He stated unequivocally that his nineteen year old nephew suffered
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  a severe and complete mental collapse.
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  Speaker 2: The language he uses is so precise. He isn't calling
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  his nephew a monster, he isn't calling him evil. He's
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  applying a medical framework to a violent act.
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  Speaker 1: And he added a detail about the scene itself that
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  is just utterly devastating. He wrote that family members who
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  were present at the scene performed heroic intervention.
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  Speaker 2: That part just stops here in your tracks.
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  Speaker 1: They somehow managed to successfully dissuade Glenn the third from
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  causing further harm to others, presumably the other children or
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  family members present before he fled and ultimately turned the
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  gun on himself.
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  Speaker 2: Think about the unimaginable trauma of that specific moment, the sheer,
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  blinding terror of a gun firing in your home, the.
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  Speaker 1: Chaos I can't even picture it.
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  Speaker 2: And yet the presence of mind of those surviving family
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  members to intervene verbal or physically, to de escalate a
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  psychotic individual holding a firearm and stop a wider massacre.
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  To survive that and then for Eric Mannon to have
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  the composure to draft this statement, it's staggering.
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  Speaker 1: He urged the public to avoid casting judgment. He asked
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  for compassion for everyone involved, including the shooter.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a huge ask of a grieving community.
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  Speaker 1: It is. He emphasized finding hope and seeking answers rather
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  than giving in to anger. He explicitly wrote, although our
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  initial thoughts naturally turned to anger and outrage, we are
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  not here to cast judgment upon the deceased.
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  Speaker 2: What is your read on why he chose to speak
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  so publicly so fast, because, as you noted, that is
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  a severe deviation from the norm. Usually families just go silent.
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  Speaker 1: I think he knew exactly how the true crime machine works.
• 18:46
  I think it was an act of desperate, proactive love
• 18:49
  to protect the memory of his nephew, even after the
• 18:51
  horrific thing his nephew.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Did, to get ahead of the story.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly in a town of one hundred and ten thousand people,
• 18:57
  the rumor mill is going to spin out of control
• 19:00
  within hours. People will invent motives. They will say it
• 19:03
  was drugs, they will say the kid was a psychopath.
• 19:05
  They will blame the parents. It happens every time by
• 19:07
  putting a flag in the ground and naming it a
• 19:09
  severe and complete mental collapse. The uncle is building a firewall.
• 19:14
  He's looking the public in the eye and saying, do
• 19:17
  not turn my nephew into a villain for your entertainment.
• 19:21
  Recognize that he was profoundly terminally sick and.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: From a clinical perspective, Eric Manion's layman description of a
• 19:28
  complete mental collapse alongs terrifyingly well with one of the
• 19:31
  most dangerous hidden realities of young adulthood.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: We have to look closely at that specific eighteen to
• 19:37
  twenty five age racket. It is the absolute peak window
• 19:41
  for the onset of severe psychotic disorders. Really, yes, we
• 19:44
  were talking about the emergence of schizophrenia, schizo effective disorder,
• 19:48
  and severe bipolar disorder with psychotic features.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Why that age, Why as a nineteen year old, right
• 19:55
  when they are supposed to be stepping into independence, going
• 19:58
  off to college or getting a job, suddenly at the
• 20:01
  highest risk for their brain to essentially break.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It comes down to the physical nerve development of the
• 20:06
  human brain during late adolescents, in early adulthood, the brain
• 20:10
  is undergoing its final most complete stages of maturation.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Specifically, the prefrontal cortex is finalizing its development. That's the
• 20:19
  area of the brain responsible for executive function, impulse control,
• 20:23
  and most importantly, reality testing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Meaning your ability to tell what's real and what's not exactly.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: During this transition, a process called synaptic pruning occurs. The
• 20:34
  brain clears out weak neural connections to make the primary
• 20:36
  pathways more efficient, and individuals with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia,
• 20:41
  this pruning process goes into overdrive, destroying vital neural pathways.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So the brain is essentially eating its own necessary wiring
• 20:49
  in a way.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, and this genetic vulnerability often lies completely dormant throughout childhood.
• 20:55
  You wouldn't know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It's there, So what sets it up?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It requires an environmental trigger to activate what we call
• 21:00
  the stress diathesis model. The trigger could be the profound
• 21:03
  stress of transitioning out of the structured environment of high school,
• 21:07
  the emotional tension of parents, estrangement, severe sleep deprivation, or
• 21:11
  sometimes substance use.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Something pushes it over the edge.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Right the threshold is crossed, the dopamine pathways become wildly dysregulated,
• 21:20
  and what the uncle called a complete mental collapse occurs
• 21:24
  in clinical terms. We are talking about acute psychosis.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I want to stop and define psychosis because pop culture
• 21:29
  has completely ruined our understanding of that word.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It really has. We throw it around so.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Casually we say, oh, my boss went psycho today, meaning
• 21:37
  he yelled at a meeting, or movies portray a psychotic
• 21:40
  break as someone just becoming a calculated, cold blooded serial killer.
• 21:45
  What does acute psychosis actually look like in the room?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It is nothing like the movies. Acute psychosis is a
• 21:52
  fundamental terrifying drake from reality. The brain sensory processing completely misfires.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: What are the experience?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: It involves profound hallucinations. The person might hear distinct voices
• 22:03
  commanding them to do horrific things or warning them of
• 22:06
  imminent danger. They might see things that aren't there. But
• 22:10
  even more dangerous are the delusions and the paranoia.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: How deep does the paranoia go? Because we all get
• 22:16
  a little paranoid sometimes, like thinking someone is looking at us.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Oh. It is all encompassing. The individual might genuinely believe,
• 22:24
  with absolute terrifying certainty that their loved ones have been
• 22:28
  replaced by impostors or demons oh wow, or that their
• 22:31
  family is part of a massive lethal conspiracy meant to
• 22:34
  torture or kill them. Their disorganized thinking renders them completely
• 22:39
  unable to distinguish what is real from what is a
• 22:42
  manifestation of their illness.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So they are acting on fake information that feels one
• 22:46
  hundred percent real.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly to the person experiencing acute psychosis. The threat they
• 22:51
  are perceiving, even if it is their own mother bringing
• 22:54
  them a plate of food, is one hundred percent real
• 22:56
  and lethal. They act in what their broken brain perceives
• 22:59
  as self defence.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me channel the listener again here, because this
• 23:03
  is the hardest pill to swallow. I hear you explain
• 23:06
  the neurobiology, but my gut reaction is still. Come on,
• 23:09
  A kid doesn't just wake up one Tuesday, hallucinate that
• 23:12
  his mom is a demon and wipe out his family.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Right, it feels too sudden.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: There had to be giant flashing red lights. The parents
• 23:20
  must have known he was dangerous based on the clinical data.
• 23:24
  Is it really a sudden overnight snap or is it
• 23:27
  a slow collapse that everyone just misses.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It's the latter, almost always. The concept of snapping overnight
• 23:33
  is mostly a Hollywood invention used for dramatic effect.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: It makes for a good movie scene.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It does, but it's rarely reality. What the uncle described
• 23:40
  as a collapse is usually the final catastrophic structural failure
• 23:45
  of a building that has been showing hairline fractures for months,
• 23:48
  if not years. There is a specific clinical phase before
• 23:52
  the full psychotic break occurs. It's called the prodromal phase.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: What are the warning signs in the prodromal phase? Like,
• 23:58
  if the parents were actively looking, what would they have seen?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: The signs are devastatingly subtle. The teenager might start withdrawing, socially,
• 24:07
  spending hours locked in their room. Their grades might slip, okay.
• 24:10
  They might start speaking vaguely, having trouble concentrating, or exhibiting
• 24:14
  what we call a flattened effect, meaning their face and
• 24:18
  voice just seem blank, devoid of normal emotion. They might
• 24:21
  begin expressing strange, rigidly held beliefs that aren't quite full
• 24:25
  blown delusions yet but are undeniably odd. They might become
• 24:29
  overly suspicious of neighbors or technology.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But wait, if I look at that list, with drawing
• 24:34
  to their room, slipping grades, acting blank, being moody, you
• 24:38
  just described ninety percent of normal teenagers, and that is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: The absolute tragedy of the disease. In a nineteen year
• 24:44
  old male, These exact symptoms are almost always dismissed.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think my kid was being a jerk exactly.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Teachers think he's just lacking off. Parents think he's just
• 24:55
  being a moody teenager, or he's just adjusting to life
• 24:58
  after high school, or in this specific case, they might
• 25:00
  think he's just reacting poorly to his parent separation.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: It's the perfect disguise.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The warning signs of a terminal psychiatric decline are perfectly
• 25:09
  camouflaged by the expected turbulence of adolescence. By the time
• 25:13
  the collapse is visible to the outside world, by the
• 25:16
  time the hallucinations become vocalized or the paranoia turns to violence,
• 25:21
  the internal reality is already completely shattered. The brain has
• 25:24
  already been hijacked.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So when the uncle released that statement calling it a
• 25:28
  mental collapse, it immediately made me wonder is this a
• 25:32
  freak occurrence, is the b Man tragedy an isolated, inexplicable anomaly,
• 25:38
  or is there a precedent for a teenager doing this
• 25:40
  in the midst of a psychotic break. It's a really
• 25:43
  important question, what does the historical data actually say about
• 25:46
  kids who kill their parents? This brings us to the
• 25:49
  statistics of parricide, and honestly, the data here challenges almost
• 25:53
  every preconception society holds.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It forces us to confront an incredibly uncomfortable reality about
• 25:59
  violence and the family unit.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Let's lay out the core information from our sources. First
• 26:04
  of all, parricide a child killing a parent is exceedingly rare.
• 26:07
  It makes up only two to four percent of all
• 26:09
  homicides in the United States and Europe.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Right, It's not a common occurrence.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: If we look at historical data, specifically the FBI Supplementary
• 26:17
  Homicide Reports from nineteen seventy six all the way to
• 26:19
  nineteen ninety nine, it shows roughly two hundred to three
• 26:22
  hundred cases annually in the entire US.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Out of a population of hundreds of millions of people.
• 26:28
  Two hundred to three hundred cases a year is a
• 26:31
  statistical needle in a haystack, is an anomaly exactly.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: The demographics tell us that about one third of the
• 26:37
  youthful offenders are between sixteen and eighteen years old. Glenn
• 26:41
  the third was nineteen, putting him right on the edge
• 26:43
  of that prime demographic.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: He fits the profile almost perfectly.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Interestingly, mothers and fathers are killed at roughly equal rates overall,
• 26:50
  The mothers are slightly more common targets when the offender
• 26:53
  is a youth. But here is the most crucial paradigm
• 26:56
  shifting piece of data in the entire report.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: This is the part that surprised me.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: The criminologist Kathleen M. Hyde, who is arguably the leading
• 27:03
  expert on paraside, has done extensive, decades long research. She
• 27:07
  found that only fifteen percent of paraside cases are verified
• 27:10
  in court records at stemming from long term abuse.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I want to linger on that statistic because it completely
• 27:15
  contradicts the cultural narrative. Only fifteen percent right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Contrast that fifteen percent with a two thousand and seven
• 27:22
  study on parasides which found that roughly two thirds around
• 27:26
  sixty six percent of these cases are linked to active
• 27:28
  psychotic symptoms or severe depression.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: This data completely dismantles what we can call the abuse myth.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Let's explore the abuse myth, because I think we are
• 27:37
  all guilty of believing it. When I hear about a
• 27:39
  child killing a parent, my brain immediately defaults to the
• 27:42
  Menendez Brothers.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's the famous case.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: We assume there had to be decades of horrific hidden
• 27:49
  sexual or physical abuse behind closed doors. Because the alternative
• 27:53
  that a kid just kills a loving parent is too
• 27:56
  terrifying to contemplate.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Society desperately clings to the abuse myth because it provides
• 28:01
  a comforting moral framework.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It makes sense to us exactly.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It gives us a clear villain, the abusive parent, and
• 28:07
  it makes the active parricide seem like a tragic but
• 28:09
  ultimately logical, active self defense or desperate survival. If severe
• 28:14
  abuse is the only cause of parricide, then normal, loving,
• 28:17
  middle class families are safe.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: We can tell ourselves that would never happen in my
• 28:21
  house because I don't abuse my kids.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But the data fifteen percent verified abuse versus sixty six
• 28:26
  percent severe mental illness tells a deeply uncomfortable story. It
• 28:31
  tells us that severe, untreated psychiatric illness can invade a
• 28:34
  completely normal, loving home and cause absolute devastation, regardless of
• 28:39
  how good the parenting is.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about how to visualize this difference, because
• 28:44
  the way we culturally process these crimes is flawed. We
• 28:47
  usually view family violence through the lens of.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: A pressure cooker ry slow build up.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the assumption is that years and years of trauma
• 28:54
  and abuse build up inside the kid. The heat kept rising,
• 28:57
  the parent kept turning the dial until there was an
• 28:59
  inevitable vice and explosion. But the data from doctor Hyde
• 29:02
  and these psychotic break studies suggests it's not a pressure
• 29:06
  cooker at all.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: If it's not a pressure cooker, how do you conceptualize
• 29:09
  the sixty six percent driven by psychosis.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Well, it's more like a highly destructive virus attacking a
• 29:14
  computer's operating system. Think about the Beeman family. The hardware
• 29:18
  of the computer was fine. It was built well, it
• 29:20
  was maintained. The foundation was solid, exactly the family structure.
• 29:24
  The love man expressed the community ties. The hardware was solid.
• 29:28
  But suddenly, through a genetic vulnerability, a malicious software virus
• 29:32
  is introduced into the nineteen year old's brain.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The psychosis right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: The software can no longer process the inputs of reality.
• 29:39
  It starts misinterpreting commands, corrupting files, turning a mother's smile
• 29:44
  into a perceived threat, and eventually the entire system crashes violently.
• 29:49
  It wasn't the hardware's fault. It wasn't the parent's fault.
• 29:52
  It was an invisible, systemic infection that no one knew
• 29:55
  how to scan for until it was too late.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That analogy perfectly captures the helplessness of the situation. The
• 30:01
  hardware of a man as love simply could not stop
• 30:03
  the software of Glenn the Third's mind from corrupting his reality.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It's just tragic.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And when we look at the profile of these offenders
• 30:10
  from the source material, it matches Glenn the Third perfectly.
• 30:13
  They're often white males, they come from middle class backgrounds,
• 30:16
  they have absolutely no prior criminal record, and crucially, firearms
• 30:21
  are used in over sixty percent of cases.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That sixty percent firearm statistic cannot be ignored, especially in
• 30:26
  the context of psychosis.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It is the defining variable of lethality. The sources note
• 30:32
  that these firearms are often legally present in the household,
• 30:35
  intended for protection or recreation.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally normal in Colorado.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Right, But when an individual experiences a sudden, acute break
• 30:42
  from reality, when they are actively hallucinating that their family
• 30:46
  members are immediate lethal threats coming to kill them, the
• 30:50
  presence of an unsecured firearm turns a treatable mental health
• 30:53
  crisis into a mass fatality event in a matter of.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Seconds because it's so fast.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: If a teenager experiencing psychosis only has access to a
• 31:02
  knife or blunt objects, the family has a chance to flee,
• 31:06
  to barricade a door, to call nine one one. A
• 31:09
  firearm removes the element of time. There is no time
• 31:11
  to de escalate, and.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The sources point out that this tragedy in Pueblo is
• 31:15
  part of a recognizable modern pattern. There are recent parallel
• 31:19
  cases that perfectly mirror this dynamic.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes, In March.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, a seventeen year old in Wisconsin allegedly
• 31:25
  killed his mother and stepfather and lived with their bodies
• 31:28
  for weeks.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Oh that's horrific.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, a Mississippi teenager named Carly Madison
• 31:34
  greg was convicted after shooting her mother and attempting to
• 31:37
  kill her stepfather. And in that Mississippi case, the defense
• 31:41
  was deeply tied to a documented severe mental health crisis
• 31:45
  involving bipolar disorder and medication issues.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: These cases, spanning from Wisconsin to Mississippi and now to Colorado,
• 31:52
  echo the exact same terrifying themes we are seeing untreated
• 31:56
  psychosis failures in early family intervention due to a lack
• 31:59
  of understanding and the devastating systemic deterioration of youth mental health.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Which has only accelerated in the post COVID era.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Oh was that a doubt?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: The sources also briefly touch on the inverse of this crime, philicide,
• 32:12
  which is parents killing their children. Statistically, philicide is actually
• 32:15
  much more common than paraside. Family members perpetrate a disproportionate
• 32:19
  share of all child homicides. That's a grim reality, but
• 32:22
  the sources note a fascinating sociological double standard. Philicide often
• 32:26
  gets heavily analyzed through the lens of postpartum psychosis or
• 32:30
  parental mental health breakdowns.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: We try to understand the medical cause.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: But parricide gets less focus regarding specific mental health drivers.
• 32:38
  When a child kills a parent, society is so deeply horrified,
• 32:42
  so repulsed by the inversion of the natural order, that
• 32:45
  they immediately label the child as evil or attribute it
• 32:49
  to simple unbridled rage.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: We refuse to grant the child the medical grace. We
• 32:54
  sometimes grant the parent, which is exactly what Eric Manion
• 32:57
  was fighting against with his public statement.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: He didn't want his nephew you labeled as a monster.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He was begging the public not to label his nineteen
• 33:05
  year old nephew as evil, but to force them to
• 33:08
  recognize the medical reality of the situation.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But if severe mental illness is the primary driver of
• 33:13
  these rare, unthinkable tragedies, we can't just look at the individual.
• 33:17
  We have to examine the environment where this illness was
• 33:20
  allowed to fester, grow, and ultimately erupt. We have to
• 33:22
  look at the state infrastructure.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: The system surrounding them.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Because if a kid is drowning, you don't just blame
• 33:27
  the kid for not swimming. You ask why there were
• 33:29
  no lifeguards on duty, which brings us to the underlying disease,
• 33:33
  Colorado's youth mental health crisis.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: If the b Man family tragedy is a singular, horrific symptom,
• 33:40
  the systemic data from Colorado reveals a statewide epidemic.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Let's walk through the grim statistics laid out in the report,
• 33:46
  and we need to let these numbers truly sink in.
• 33:49
  In the state of Colorado, suicide is the leading cause
• 33:52
  of death for ages ten to twenty four.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: It's not car accidents.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It is not car accidents, it is not cancer. It
• 33:57
  is kids taking their own lives. Annually, one hundred and
• 34:01
  three thousand Colorado adolescents experience a major depressive episode, and
• 34:05
  sixty three thousand have serious thoughts of suicide.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Those numbers are difficult to even visualize. We are talking
• 34:12
  about stadium scized populations of adolescents in a single state
• 34:16
  dealing with profound, life threatening psychiatric distress.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Why Colorado? I mean, I look at those numbers and
• 34:22
  I wonder what is driving this. Are we talking about
• 34:24
  the effects of high altitude on neurochemistry, which some studies
• 34:27
  suggest impact suicide rates. Are we talking about the massive
• 34:31
  rural urban divide where kids in mountain towns are completely isolated.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: From care, or the long tail effects of post COVID isolation.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: It is a confluence of all those factors. The geographic
• 34:41
  isolation in rural counties, the lack of sunlight during long
• 34:44
  winters in certain areas, the extreme shortage of pediatric psychiatric beds,
• 34:49
  and a cultural stoicism to pull yourself up by your
• 34:52
  Bootstraff's mentality that prevails in many Western states all create
• 34:56
  a perfect storm.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: And the public is painfully aware of this. A twenty
• 35:00
  twenty five poll conducted by Children's Hospital Colorado found that
• 35:04
  seventy percent of voters believe the state faces a youth
• 35:07
  mental health emergency.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: That's a huge majority.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: In recent data, twenty six percent of high school students
• 35:12
  report persistent sadness. That means, if you walk down the
• 35:15
  hall of a typical Colorado high school, more than one
• 35:18
  in four kids you pass is dealing with a heavy,
• 35:20
  persistent sadness that they cannot shake.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And the state government has previously declared a youth mental
• 35:25
  health state of emergency. But declaring an emergency on paper
• 35:29
  and actually fixing the physical infrastructure are two vastly different things.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: The report lists the systemic barriers, and honestly, they are
• 35:36
  infuriating when you think about a family in crisis trying
• 35:39
  to navigate them. There are massive long wait times for psychiatrists.
• 35:44
  There are severe rural provider shortages, which.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Is a huge issue in the West, and.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: This specifically affects Pueblo County, where the Beeman family lived.
• 35:52
  Pueblo faces significant deficits in psychiatric care compared to Denver
• 35:56
  or Boulder. Then you have the insurance hurdles. Families are
• 36:00
  forced to navigate a labyrinth of out of network costs
• 36:03
  and pre authorizations while their house is essentially on fire.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And the most critical damning critique from the sources is this,
• 36:10
  the US mental health system and Colorado specifically treats crises
• 36:15
  reactively rather than preventively.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: What does that mean in practice?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: The entire system is built to wait for the emergency
• 36:21
  room to overflow rather than providing early, accessible, preventative outpatient care.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I have to express real frustration here on behalf of
• 36:30
  anyone listening to this. Who has ever tried to get
• 36:32
  help for a loved one? When seventy percent of loads
• 36:35
  agree there is a state of emergency when over one
• 36:38
  hundred thousand kids are clinically depressed, how do families still
• 36:42
  fall through the cracks so completely?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: It's maddening.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Let's trace a hypothetical journey. How does a nineteen year
• 36:48
  old like Glen the third reach a state of severe
• 36:51
  and complete mental collapse without a single safety net catching him.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Let's map out that journey based on the systemic hurdles
• 36:58
  the sources provide, because it's it's a terrifyingly common path.
• 37:02
  Think about the compounding logistical factors for the Beeman family.
• 37:05
  You have a strange parents. They're juggling multiple kids, probably
• 37:08
  working full time jobs that takes immense time, energy, and
• 37:11
  financial resources just to maintain a baseline of daily functionality.
• 37:15
  Now place them in Pueblo County, the semi rural area
• 37:18
  with known psychiatric provider deficits.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's say Glenn the third starts showing those
• 37:25
  subtle prodromal signs of psychosis we talked about earlier. He's isolating,
• 37:29
  he's acting paranoid. The parents notice they don't know its schizophrenia,
• 37:34
  but they know he needs help. Who do they call.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: They probably start with their primary care pediatrician, but the
• 37:40
  pediatrician isn't equipped for severe psychosis, so the pediatrician gives
• 37:44
  them a referral to a child and adolescent psychiatrist. The
• 37:47
  parents call the clinic in.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Pueblo, and what does the clinic say?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: The intake coordinator tells them, we accept your insurance, but
• 37:54
  our first available appointment for a new patient is in
• 37:57
  six months.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Six months.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, in a nineteen year old whose brain is actively
• 38:02
  descending into schizophrenia does not have six months. The neurochemical
• 38:05
  deterioration can be exponential, So what happens?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Do they just wait?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: So what happens to the family? They are placed on
• 38:11
  a wait list. They try to manage the increasing paranoia internally.
• 38:15
  Stigma might prevent them from loudly asking for help from
• 38:17
  neighbors who or the school. They hope it's a phase.
• 38:20
  They try to talk them down. They wait until the
• 38:23
  illness escalates to a violent breaking point, and then.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: The only option left is calling nine one one.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Right, or dragging him to the emergency room.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: But ers are designed to stabilize gunshot wounds and heart attacks.
• 38:33
  They aren't built for psychiatric care exactly.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: The er is loud, bright, and chaotic, the absolute worst
• 38:40
  environment for someone experiencing paranoid delusions. The ER doctors stabilize
• 38:46
  the patient, but they can't treat the underlying psychosis. They
• 38:50
  look for an inpatient pediatric psychiatric bed to transfer him.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: To, which we know there is a shortage of.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Right, there's a massive, well documented shortage of these beds
• 38:59
  nationally in Colorado. So the patient engages in what is
• 39:03
  called er boarding.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Boarding.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They might be held in a windowless er hallway on
• 39:08
  a gurney for three days, heavily sedated, waiting for a
• 39:11
  bed to open up somewhere in the state.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Or worse, they are discharged, Yes.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: If the patient momentarily calms down, the er might discharge
• 39:18
  them back to the parents with a generic list of
• 39:20
  outpatient clinics that again have a six month waitlist. The
• 39:23
  pirates are sent home with a medically unstable, potentially dangerous
• 39:27
  teenager and told to keep an eye on them. It
• 39:29
  is a closed loop of catastrophic systemic failure.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And I want to be very careful here to adhere
• 39:34
  strictly to the facts of our deep dive. The sources
• 39:37
  we are working from provide severe data backed critiques of
• 39:41
  the healthcare infrastructure. We are reporting these critiques, the unbearable
• 39:45
  weight times, the er failures, the lack of beds, purely
• 39:49
  reflecting the data provided.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: We aren't taking political sides on healthcare policy.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. We are simply validating the uncle's
• 39:56
  agonizing assessment that his nephew was the victim of a
• 39:59
  cat dstrophic failure.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: From a purely clinical and infrastructural standpoint, catastrophic failure is
• 40:05
  not hyperbole. It is an accurate, data supported description of
• 40:09
  a system that is mathematically incapable of handling the volume
• 40:13
  or severity of the need.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So when the system fails catastrophically, we are left to
• 40:17
  sift through the wreckage. Let's move to the aftermath and
• 40:20
  the paths forward, because the story doesn't magically end when
• 40:23
  the sun comes up on April fourth. The ripple effects
• 40:26
  of a tragedy like this are permanent, and they destroy
• 40:29
  more than just the immediate victims.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: The immediate and most heartbreaking collateral damage is the surviving family.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, the sources explicitly note that Glenn Junior and Amanda
• 40:38
  had other young children, Glenn the third's younger siblings, thus
• 40:42
  poor kids. These children are now left to face a
• 40:45
  reality that most adults couldn't endure. They are thrust into
• 40:48
  the child welfare system, navigating foster care or relative guardianship.
• 40:53
  They are facing years of deep, profound trauma counseling. In
• 40:58
  a single night, the core foundation of their universe was
• 41:01
  wiped out. They lost their mother, their father, and their
• 41:04
  older brother.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: And the community impact in southern Colorado radiates outward from
• 41:09
  those surviving children. Think about the elementary or middle school
• 41:12
  classmates of those younger siblings, teachers exactly, Think about the
• 41:16
  neighbors on East fourth Street who heard the gunshots. Think
• 41:19
  about the social circles of Amanda and Glenn junior, the coworkers,
• 41:22
  the friends who commented on that Facebook post. A tragedy
• 41:26
  of this nature shatters the psychological safety of an entire community.
• 41:29
  People lock their doors and wonder if it could happen
• 41:32
  to them, the ordinary loving family down the street, Could
• 41:35
  it happen inside my house?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And legally, there is a very difficult, agonizing reality that
• 41:40
  the community has to confront. Because the suspect, Glenn the Third,
• 41:43
  is deceased, there will never be a trial, and that lack.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Of a trial is a massive, often overlooked hurdle for
• 41:51
  societal grieving.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Why is that? I mean, we know who did it,
• 41:54
  the police connected the scenes. Why does a trial matter
• 41:57
  if the outcome is known?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Because the justice system, for all its immense flaws, provides
• 42:02
  a necessary psychological ritual of closure for a community. A
• 42:06
  trial offers a linear timeline. It forces the public disclosure
• 42:09
  of forensic evidence. It assigns formal guilt.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: It creates a story with a start in a finish.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It creates a narrative with a distinct beginning, middle, and end.
• 42:18
  When the perpetrator dies by suicide at the scene, that
• 42:21
  ritual is permanently denied. The community is robbed of the y,
• 42:25
  they are left to grapple with prevention instead of the
• 42:27
  satisfaction of punishment. They are left with an endless, echoing void.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: The sources mentioned that investigations will still happen behind closed doors.
• 42:34
  There will be autopsies, ballistics reports, digital forensics on the
• 42:38
  family's phones and social media accounts. Detectives will try to
• 42:42
  reconstruct the exact timeline and search for a specific proximal motive.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: But the public might never see that exactly.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Those details may never be made entirely public. The case
• 42:54
  is effectively closed by the death of the offender, it
• 42:57
  leaves so many questions permanently on it answered.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: The sources also note that violent events like this invariably
• 43:04
  lead to renewed legislative scrutiny of red flag laws and
• 43:07
  safegun storage rules. That always happens, though it is explicitly
• 43:11
  stated in the report that no violations of these laws
• 43:14
  were alleged in this specific case. The sixty percent statistic
• 43:17
  we discussed earlier that firearms are the primary mechanism of
• 43:20
  lethality in parricide always brings this conversation back to the
• 43:24
  forefront of the public consciousness in the aftermath.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But because we can't punish our way out of this
• 43:29
  because there is no one left put in jail. The
• 43:31
  sources pivot heavily toward prevention strategies advocated by clinical experts.
• 43:36
  If the system is failing, how do we build new one?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: What do they suggest?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: They advocate for expanded school based mental health screening, catching
• 43:43
  the prodromal signs before the kid even tells their parents.
• 43:47
  They push for telehealth parity, meaning insurance must cover a
• 43:50
  video call with a psychiatrist in Denver for a kid
• 43:54
  living in Pueblo County bypassing the rural provider shortage.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It's a smart workaround.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: They advocate from massive funding for family therapy and relentless
• 44:03
  destigmatization efforts.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Those are all vital macro level systemic fixes, But the
• 44:09
  most actionable immediate prevention strategy mentioned in the sources is
• 44:14
  the concept of mental health first aid training.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that because I love this concept. Mental
• 44:19
  health first aid. We all know regular first aid, right,
• 44:22
  even if you aren't a doctor. If you are at
• 44:24
  a restaurant and someone grabs their chest, turns pale, and
• 44:27
  falls to the floor, you know exactly what to do.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You call nine one one check for a pulse.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: You start CPR. You recognize the signs of a heart
• 44:33
  attack instantly.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly because society has educated you on the physical warning signs.
• 44:39
  But if a nineteen year old boy starts isolating in
• 44:41
  his room, boarding up his windows, expressing severe paranoia that
• 44:45
  his food is being poisoned, or staring blankly at a
• 44:47
  wall for hours, society generally does not recognize those behaviors
• 44:51
  as the equivalent of a heart attack.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: We think it's weird behavior. We think it's a discipline issue.
• 44:57
  We don't recognize it as an immediate life threa threatening
• 45:00
  medical emergency, as that a problem. Mental health first aid
• 45:03
  is the radical idea that everyday people, parents, high school teachers,
• 45:08
  football coaches, employers, neighbors need to be explicitly trained to
• 45:13
  recognize the warning signs of a mental collapse just as
• 45:16
  readily as they recognize a physical one.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That's a game changer.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's about teaching the public how to recognize withdrawal, how
• 45:22
  to identify genuine paranoia versus teenage angst, how to spot
• 45:26
  erratic behavior, and most importantly, knowing exactly how to intervene
• 45:30
  safely without escalating the person's paranoia, and connecting them immediately
• 45:35
  to the nine to eight eight lifeline or a local
• 45:37
  crisis center.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: It fundamentally shifts the burden of early diagnosis away from
• 45:43
  a scarce pool of overworked psychiatrists with six month waitlists
• 45:47
  and places it into the hands of the community itself.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: It empowers everyone.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: It empowers the village to act to apply pressure to
• 45:54
  the psychological wound before the collapse becomes fatal.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I think that brings us to the core of what
• 45:59
  we've cover today. We've traced the timeline of that terrible
• 46:03
  night in preblow, We've looked at the heartbreaking family dynamics.
• 46:06
  We've dismantled the myths with statistical data, and we've mapped
• 46:10
  out the agonizing failures of the healthcare system.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: We've covered a lot of ground.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Let's synthesize this deep dive. The b Men family tragedy
• 46:18
  is not just a localized horror story meant for the
• 46:21
  local evening news. It is not a bizarre, isolated true
• 46:25
  crime anomaly that we can comfortably distance ourselves from. No.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It is a blinding, flashing red warning light on the
• 46:32
  dashboard of our youth mental health system.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It fundamentally challenges every comfortable assumption we hold about why
• 46:38
  violence happens inside families. It forces us to abandon the
• 46:42
  comforting abuse myth, the idea that only bad parents raise
• 46:45
  violent kids, and confront the terrifying reality that severe, untreated
• 46:49
  mental illness can strike anyone in any home, at any time.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It's a terrifying thought, but a necessary one.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And it demands that we as a society look at
• 46:59
  a mental colors as a medical emergency, a structural neurobiological
• 47:04
  failure of the brain's software, not a moral failing or
• 47:07
  an act of sheer inexplicable evil.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Eric Mannon in his darkest hour as for his nephew
• 47:13
  not to be judged, but for the system to be scrutinized.
• 47:16
  That is the ultimate mandate of this deep dive.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And as we close, I want to leave you the listener,
• 47:21
  with a final lingering thought, a question to Mullover that
• 47:24
  builds on everything we've discussed today. The sources advocate for
• 47:27
  better clinical screenings, more government funding, more hospital beds. Those
• 47:31
  are incredibly vital, but let's take it a step further.
• 47:34
  We live in a society that is hyper connected by technology.
• 47:38
  We live in a world where a mother Amanda can
• 47:41
  post a beautiful, deeply vulnerable public tribute to her son
• 47:45
  for the entire world to see, a post that generates
• 47:48
  likes and comments and creates a flawless digital illusion of
• 47:52
  perfect closeness and community.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: The digital footprint. We discussed the curated reality, right, but
• 47:58
  how are.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: We as a culture simultaneously so hyper connected online yet
• 48:03
  so profoundly disconnected in physical reality that an individual living
• 48:07
  in a house full of people can experience a severe
• 48:09
  and complete mental collapse in total invisible isolation.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate paradox of our modern time. We are
• 48:16
  broadcasting our lives, but we aren't truly seeing each other.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Perhaps the ultimate fix isn't just found in building new
• 48:22
  hospital wings or passing new legislative policies. Perhaps the deepest,
• 48:26
  most effective preventative measure is in how we learn to
• 48:28
  truly look at and listen to the people living right
• 48:31
  under our own roofs.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more to look.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Past the curated Facebook posts, to push past the i'mfine
• 48:38
  deflections at the dinner table, and to actively train ourselves
• 48:41
  to see the hairline fractures and the people we love
• 48:44
  before the whole foundation gives way.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Because when the psychological architecture finally breaks there is no
• 48:50
  easy engineering blueprint to put it back.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Together, just muddy waters and an empty space where a
• 48:55
  family used to be. We want to remind you one
• 48:57
  more time. If you are struggling, or if you recognize
• 49:00
  those hairline fractures and someone you love, please call your
• 49:02
  text nine eight eight, please doo. There is help. You
• 49:05
  do not have to navigate the murky waters alone. Thank
• 49:08
  you for taking this difficult but absolutely necessary deep dive
• 49:11
  with us today. Look out for each other.