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EDP52: Armagh from Eoins perspective / British Indoors ft Matt Seddon / Barcelona Half & New Aussie Record / Perth Track Classic fireworks / Sound Invite / Serville Marathon · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another.
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  Easy double yeah, from the track to the rodeo we talk that talk
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  splits on the watch but we still take the Mick Dean and per for
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  the long run. Legs going breaks the fire when
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  the session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from ever saw some medals.
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  Yeah, we break it all down hard graft Monday left about a Sunday
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  still chasing pee pees while the world spins round.
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  Miles in the bank. Heart rate low big dreams but we
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  take it slow. If you know then you know the
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  code. Easy pace for the chat goes
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  hard. Easy double.
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  Let it roll. 3 mates, 1 mic, one come and go from 5 tapes to the
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  marathon Rd. training. Talk to the outro. close is easy
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  double every week. Runner talking way too deep
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  here. Play lock in your part of the
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  crew. This is easy double.
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  Welcome to you. This is easy double.
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  Welcome to you this. Is easy double welcome to you
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  debates on shoes and carbon plates.
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  Is it threshold or just steady pace?
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  World champs trials, who's in shape, who's peaking early,
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  who's late to the gate storage from sessions that nearly broke
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  us and races that taught us patients and focus.
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  Serious goals. But we keep it light cause run
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  is better when it's shed, right? No egos, no smoke, just miles
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  and true from club runners up to the world class music.
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  You're chasing times, you're just chasing fun.
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  You're already winning if you started the run.
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  Easy double. Go run.
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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast, Episode 52,
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  our big 1st birthday, the one year anniversary.
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  We've showed up each and every week for the past year, and
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  we're glad that you have two now.
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  If you're just starting to listen to this episode and
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  you've fast forwarded through the usual introduction, you may
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  want to skip back because there's a bit of a birthday song
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  getting thrown in there this week.
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  And for context, Josh sent in some AI theme tunes for us to
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  mess around with and they were hilarious.
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  And it's it's led to this so we'll we'll put a poll in in the
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  Spotify and you can vote yes or no as to how absolutely tragic
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  or hilarious it was. I don't know what to expect, but
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  it might be a reality check. Anyway, boys, how are we doing?
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  I'm. Doing good little update.
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  It's still raining here in Ireland and no, I'm feeling
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  good, feeling that. Have to be on with you guys.
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  Did you? There was that post on Instagram
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  we shared earlier in the week about like the UK has had rain
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  somewhere like every single day since some point in 2025 and
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  you're feeling the most of that too.
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  Yeah, I genuinely haven't seen the sun in like 6 weeks since
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  Valencia has rained every single day where I am anyway in 2026.
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  Umm yeah, seasonal depression is a real thing, like motivation
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  level. It's like it's just hard to get
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  out in the morning when it's pitch black and it's cold and
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  just rain and umm force yeah. So kudos to all the people still
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  again and getting out there 'cause it is really, really hard
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  and you only like after being in Australia, like you actually
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  don't appreciate how easy it is to get out.
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  Just stick on AT shirt or a singlet and run by the beach.
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  Umm, it's, it's hard over here in Ireland.
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  Have you been taking vitamin D supplements at all through the
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  winter? Yeah, so before I started,
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  before I went to Australia, I never took a vitamin D
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  supplement. But since I've come home, I've
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  been taking them every single day because like January, we
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  have not seen the sun in ages. Yeah, you sort of have to or
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  else you will be deficient in vitamin DI, know when you get a
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  blood test over here, they used to like automatically test for
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  vitamin D, but they've just stopped that now because they've
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  just accepted that everyone in Ireland is deficient.
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  Basically everyone should be on a vitamin D supplement.
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  Just on on that, I had a catch up with sports stock on Friday
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  and it was suggested that there might be some new research out
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  where you combine consumption of calcium rich food with the
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  taking of your vitamin D tablet and she suggested I do it ahead
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  of my long run. So yeah, that's what I'm doing
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  because farm was a bit low in winter, but I haven't had it
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  tested recently, but I assume it's probably picked up because
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  we've I've got a bit of the sun recently.
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  Like I can only imagine if yours was low in an Australian winter,
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  what the hell is it like for everyone in Ireland and the UK?
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  And so wait, what's that? You take your vitamin D?
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  Vitamin D tablet with a source of calcium.
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  Yeah, I said, do I just take like a longer coffee and she's
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  like coffee or cheese or something like that.
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  But yeah, yeah, combining them, she said improves absorb.
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  Yeah, a bit like I think is it orange juice and like vitamin C
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  and iron absorption? I think they're the same.
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  So that was his recommendation. She's like as long as it doesn't
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  cause any GI distress before you go for your long run.
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  But apparently there's, there's been some, there must be some
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  new evidence out that talks to it.
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  But yeah. There's all sorts of intricacies
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  like that with different supplements, isn't there?
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  Like it's not just taking the supplements, it's taking it in
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  and around food and different types of food to ensure it gets
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  digested and into the bloodstream properly.
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  Because I was looking at that like the nitrate stuff last
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  week, as you both know, and there was there was something
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  saying around like if you use mouthwash either before or after
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  you've taken it, it blocks the pathways so you can't get it
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  into your bloodstream. The RJ superstack I can't wait
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  to to get myself get my hands on.
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  It across the ground so it'll it'll give us insights there as
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  well as run through the results from top to bottom.
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  British indoors happened, Perth track classic sound invites in
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  the US, Barcelona half, Seville Marathon, Kipyegon was on the
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  roads and there's also some indoors in Boston.
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  So yeah, we'll see how far we get through that.
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  The lads have been saying about needing to have a quick episode,
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  so let's try and make it punchy and quick fire and I'll try and
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  avoid chatting shit about irrelevant things.
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  All right then Eric, we'll start with armour.
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  Ohm was there. Give us a summary of your week.
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  No, like full training week, but just lead into it, yeah.
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  Yeah, so when I hopped off on the recording on last Monday, I
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  didn't really know if I was going to be racing or not.
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  I ran that evening, Monday evening, just some like 30
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  minutes to see how I was feeling and felt all right, to be
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  honest. So Tuesday we had a little
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  session, so I don't 15 minute warm up, 3 by 3 minutes off 60.
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  And then again, my heart, it was truly rude from this one.
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  So it worked out like 9 K at 4:15 Facebook, the three minutes
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  I was trying to hit that like 3 O 6310 between that range per
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  kilometer. And again, I just felt so bad.
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  I'm like I was fixated like sort of on my watch and I was like,
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  alright, I'm not running our math had a call with my with my
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  coach that afternoon and I was like, look, I don't think I
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  like, I don't feel good. I'm not, I'm not like my heart
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  was to the roof and he was like, OK on.
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  But like, how did it actually feel when you were running?
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  Like did it feel comfortable? And I was like, you know, I
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  actually don't know, but I was so paranoid on the watch and the
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  hard right. I was like, I actually don't
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  know how I felt. And he was like, all right, just
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  try something Wednesday morning until you get on.
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  So Wednesday morning I done another little session.
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  I don't 5 minute threshold, 19 a break, 3 minute threshold, 60
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  minute break and two-minute threshold. 62nd break.
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  Oh, 62nd break. Sorry, sorry.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I didn't look at the watch,
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  literally just went by feel and I actually felt pretty smooth
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  and that heart rate was still through the roof, but I was
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  hitting like 3O63O3 and I was feeling smooth.
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  So that's when I made the call Wednesday morning.
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  Alright I'll give an hour ago but I'm nothing to lose and I
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  felt good so. Was your can I ask, was your
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  heart rate elevated otherwise, like during the day, was your
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  resting heart rate or? It's normal, which is really
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  weird but this is the thing with the heart rate manner so I well
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  I changed the battery on it there like 2 weeks ago so and a
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  lot of them go with the AY when you change the.
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  Battery, they go to shit. Yeah, they can.
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  So. Like I even like now today like
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  I noticed my heart rate is a good like 10/15/20 beats higher
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  than it usually is. So, and it might be hard because
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  I'm feeling perfect. Hmm, interesting.
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  Yeah, your heart rate can vary when it's a bit fresher.
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  When you're a bit fresher as well, like that could be.
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  Yeah, part of it too, but it's not normally a whole zone
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  different though. No, like it's probably the one.
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  Although, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and but anyway,
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  yeah. So anyway, Wednesday morning
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  made the choice. Yeah, I'm going to run our map
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  Thursday. So Thursday morning got out for
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  a little shake out, just 30 minutes and 6.7 K 420 fives and
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  felt good. And then I got 1/2 day in work.
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  But actually, but all this week I went to a shop, a running shop
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  on the Sunday and got them beat it shots.
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  So I had five of them. So I was loading them up every
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  day. On.
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  The on the Tuesday, no so far. So one on town, one on Sunday,
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  1:00 on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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  And like on the Tuesday I was like, am I just wasting these if
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  I'm not running? But I was like, I forgot.
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  I may as well just take them anyway.
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  And so yeah, loaded them up the hallway up until Thursday and I
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  had 1/2 day on Thursday. So I worked out till one and
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  then at around half four, I might drove, started to drive up
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  to our map and yeah, halfway out to our map was pulled over at
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  some food around 3 1/2 hours out.
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  Drove on a little bit, 3 hours out.
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  Then I took my last beta shot. I took my Namio shot and then
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  drove on another bit. Guess where I'm took my bike out
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  of two hours out and I I started and you know the Bix caffeine
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  electrolyte tablets. I think they're cola flavor.
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  I sipped on one of them the whole way up as well and just
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  took the caffeine told my bike cabin I'll got my number and
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  then yeah, done my usual the usual warm up and like the city
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  of our mind. I don't really know the layout
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  but slightly on this like green Oval in the middle of the city
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  and the loop is 1030 meters long so there's a load of kid raises
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  on before. And I just say in the like, I
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  remember seeing this stream on YouTube years ago, like, had you
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  have you seen it as well? Then learn like learned of its
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  history and the depth. And were you familiar with the
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  rows? I was familiar with the depth,
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  but I've never seen it before. I've never seen the race before.
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  So you haven't watched the like a a stream of it on on YouTube?
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  No, no, I'll get out. Yeah, yeah, because they
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  normally, yeah, they normally cover the race and and the the
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  finishing shoots like then they pan they've they've followed the
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  the race follows the league group and then it just then
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  there's like a steel frame over the finishing shoot showing the
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  finishes like and so and, and I just remember watching it the
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  first time and it blowing my mind because I'm just like what
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  what is this like other worldly? Yeah.
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  So yeah, there's a great atmosphere around the city.
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  Loads, kid raises on. Before I got my usual warm up
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  done. So in the park I just done a few
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  laps and I think it worked out like 15 minutes.
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  And then I've done my usual threshold strides.
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  So 90 seconds on, 60 seconds off, 90 seconds on and all this,
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  I'm feeling good. Then 15 minutes out I took a bit
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  caffeine gel and yeah, lined up and.
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  Sorry, do you? I thought you weren't.
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  So you've taken a bit of caffeine here.
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  I didn't think you're big on the on taking caffeine.
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  No, because I remember when I was in Spain, I got these
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  fucking caffeine tablets and then I had a session and I had
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  the worst session of my life. Yeah.
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  So I was like, no, never doing it again.
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  Force. I don't know if I was.
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  I was cooking in Spain as well, so I don't know if it was that,
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  but yeah. So I tried the biggest caffeine
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  tablets, it the electrolyte. And then I had a bit of caffeine
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  in the, in the energy gel as well.
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  And then they put you into waves.
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  So there's the waves. So they actually put a lot of
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  trust in you that you'll go on the right wave.
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  So there's obviously the big guys, the elites and there's
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  like a, it's like a country race as well.
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  So Ireland had a team, Northern Ireland had a team, Scotland had
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  a team, Wales had a team, the UK had a team.
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  I mean, England had a team and I think Sweden had a team.
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  Loads of Swedes were there. So all them were on the front.
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  And I think I was like the third ways back and yeah, the start is
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  chaos. Gun goes, whistle goes and it's
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  chaos. And there's a lot of like push
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  in and you're just like arms it in front trying to stop yourself
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  and fall. And and there's this one in
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  front to me and actually like to jump on.
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  He fell. So seen it like it's slow
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  motion. He was like his stride was
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  getting longer and longer and longer and he was just falling
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  and falling and falling. And yes, so he hit the ground
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  pretty hard. But yeah, so went out and that
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  you sort of, you're forced to clearly go fast if you get me,
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  because everyone around you was just flying.
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  So I think my first K was like 247, high 248.
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  And I looked at the watch down and I was like, OK, not looking
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  at it again, just go with this feeling good.
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  Just shut off. Yeah.
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  So basically you just whip around, keep on doing laps.
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  It's actually hard enough to count the laps.
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  I don't know. My track mats is so shit.
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  So but I went so I went around like twice and then my third
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  time going around, I actually seen someone with a sign holding
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  number laps You'd left. I was like, thank God I've seen
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  that because you can just judge your your finish better and
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  constantly. And is it, is it like right
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  angle turns or are they sort of banks like how sharp was it?
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  Can't remember. It's not too sharp.
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  It's not too sharp and but like for the first lap, you're sort
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  of relying on people around you to keep you up and.
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  And the lighting, because it's pitch black, right?
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  Yeah, so the street lights and then there's like these fairy
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  lights on trees. It's it's it's a really cool
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  atmosphere. That's cool.
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  You know, sometimes even like when you jog and like to be
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  fair, I literally hardly ever run in the dark.
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  But when you do run in the dark, I got like this almost like an
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  adrenaline rush. And if I would plan to run at
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  like 4:45, I'll end up running 430 is just because I don't
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  know, you're almost like on edge a little bit.
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  It's dark and you did you feel like that don't know, kind of
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  like elevated you a little bit. I sort of didn't even take in
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  the atmosphere. I was just so focused on like
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  just person had me. I just didn't.
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  You didn't don't even really get to take it in.
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  Apparently there's like the there was these like fire flames
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  that shoot up at the finish again, didn't even see them or
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  anything. You're just so blinker eyed like
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  concentrate on the people idea. And like I think I started off
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  108 so I was 108 fastest coming into this race on paper.
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  So yeah, the last just take by a bit of the the like tarmac
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  concrete is a bit uneven. That's one thing I noticed,
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  especially in the Super shoes. And so you sort of have to like
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  watch your foot in a little bit and on one side there's like an
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  uphill, so there's a wee little pole up the top and then you
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  whip around and then you go downhill.
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  Yeah anyway, done that constantly picking people off.
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  Loads of people went out super, super hard.
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  And so once you've sort of half gauge your effort, you're going
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  to be pulling people in and then ends up running them fourteen O
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  9, which like still, I sort of, I sort of can't really like
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  believe it and never thought I'd be able to like run that fast.
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  And especially with the week, I had to realize it was probably a
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  blessing in the skies. I was super, super fresh coming
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  in and I wasn't expecting anything.
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  Yeah, still like, yeah, 1409 is a crazy time to be able to say
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  around. So yeah, I'm delighted.
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  Was there, was there any point in the race where you were like,
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  shit, yeah, I'm on now, like let's go.
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  Or we're kind of like on edge the whole way thinking like
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  fuck, this could go either way. Literally I looked on my watch
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  and I've seen the 247 high first splash and they didn't look at
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  it again. I didn't have a clue.
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  Like I felt I was going fast but I had no idea I was on like 1409
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  pace. So especially with the week,
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  like I hadn't a clue where I was.
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  So yeah, it's a crazy place. I recommend everyone to go to
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  our Mark. And are you going through the
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  field during that or are you just literally tucked in a
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  train? So at the start you're tucked in
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  a train and you're just literally just stay in port.
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  But then after like the second or third lap, it sort of starts
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  to free up and you sort of find your place.
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  And then you're just pulling people in the whole time.
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  Like if you, that person goes flying past you and boss no,
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  you're just constantly reeling people in like in groups as
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  well. It is, I remember on the last
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  lap, umm, I think it was like 600 to go.
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  I sort of, I was going to go but umm, I sort of got chopped.
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  Like someone cut my stride and then you go around the 2 bands
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  and then it's the home straight which is all downhill.
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  Umm, so I was going to go earlier.
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  Umm, so that's I think there is. I want to say there's more
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  there, but umm, again, like 1409.
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  I cannot complain with that. Yeah, 34th.
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  The only 34th though, which is the annoying thing.
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  Like 1409 is a good time, but no one likes con 34.
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  Like you want to be up at the top of them, boys.
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  To think you were You're a man, Naran.
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  As to whether to even get to the start line or not and you come
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  away with that. That's the thing, like if I
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  listened to my watch, like I wouldn't have run like only for
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  that. Call my coach Shane on.
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  How did you actually feel? Because like people, you're so
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  like, it's so data-driven and all this stuff.
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  You sort of take the feeling out of it.
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  Yeah. You can't rely on the watch too
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  much. Congratulations.
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  Anyway, how much of A PB? 21 seconds.
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  Yeah, day one. Is that you and Brady have the
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  exact same PB now? See 1409 as well.
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  Is he? Think so?
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  Well, go on then. What happened off the top of the
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  places you finished 34th? What happened in the top couple?
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  Yeah, so the top couple, Nick Griggs kicked out, kicked
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  everyone he ran. He won it in 1337.
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  Matthew Ramson from the UK ran 1339.
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  And then third was Callum Morgan, who trains with Nick
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  Griggs. He around 1339 as well.
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  Again, just to come in and droves like some ridiculous.
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  Did you get how many people finished under 14?
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  Was there 20 people to finish under 14?
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  Something like that anyway. And I'll see Mantorp who's
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  trained in the middle of the marathon block here around 1339
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  as well. And then Cormac Dalton around
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  1341. There's a big 10K on this
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  weekend, I think in Spain. I'm Grin's running in a Cormac
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  Dolphins running in it as well. So that's on the loud side.
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  And the women's, did you get the women's?
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  No, I'll look for the women's 3K.
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  It is there, sorry. Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
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  Women's tree kite, Emily Haggard Kearney ran at nine O 7.
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  Danielle Donegan, who is going out with Darren Mcclaney, that's
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  a super running couple, 9-12. And she had a Sprint finish with
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  Louis Shannon and she ran 913. So yeah, it's a staffed race.
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  It's so fast, the atmosphere. It's sort of like the Valencia
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  of Ireland. It's like make for running fast
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  except it pissed rain and it was freezing cold.
• 22:12
  What are you doing? Are you staying over there or
• 22:14
  you just drive back straight after the race?
• 22:16
  Oh fucking drove back and go home at like 12:00.
• 22:20
  But I didn't know loads of people.
• 22:22
  I think they put people up in a hotel over there.
• 22:23
  So next year I might try and if I'm running I might try and get
• 22:26
  put up in a hotel, get the day off.
• 22:29
  Also, yeah, driving an hour and a half walk and then driving
• 22:31
  like driving up isn't that bad. It's just driving home it is so
• 22:34
  shit. It's pitch black pissing rain
• 22:37
  and it's like the rain is a coming at you.
• 22:39
  It's like sleety snowy shit because it was so cold to coming
• 22:42
  at you when you're driving. It's just, it's not fun
• 22:46
  stopping. Like they've got my first
• 22:47
  McDonald's and I don't know how long and it still tastes like
• 22:49
  shit. Finally, he's let his hair down.
• 22:54
  Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Lastly, just before we move on
• 22:59
  from that, I know there was a couple of listeners there as
• 23:02
  well. Adam Nason broke 15 minutes and
• 23:04
  so did Joe Bowden. I think Adam was 1457, maybe in
• 23:09
  Joe 1451. So great runs from them as well.
• 23:13
  I know Joe was trying to seek you out afterwards, but I don't
• 23:17
  think he found you it. Was so hard to find anyone
• 23:20
  because it's packed. It was a no Connor Rogers.
• 23:25
  We don't need YouTube Diaries on them.
• 23:26
  The Welsh guy had, he was at this point in running the 5K, he
• 23:30
  lasted 2K, dropped out with stomach cramps and then he hops
• 23:33
  into 3K and he comes fifth in the 3K.
• 23:37
  So I was trying to him after and he's got this 10K coming up as
• 23:41
  well. So he'll bounce back fairly
• 23:42
  quick. But Jack Gray from fly carp, he
• 23:44
  came 10th in 30 and 48, which is again, phenomenal.
• 23:49
  Going solid and swinging, not bad.
• 23:54
  Seeing him on the stream, you know, like the finish line
• 23:57
  camera, you just see him, Moser and all.
• 23:59
  Yes, the air movement. Is crazy and rice earlier on I
• 24:05
  alluded to the fact we may have a special guest joining with us
• 24:09
  and said special guest has arrived.
• 24:12
  So I didn't let the listeners know who it was who was going to
• 24:15
  be joining. So I'm sure they'll be thrilled
• 24:17
  to find out that Matt Sutton from the the Sunday Blog cast is
• 24:22
  joining us to give his expert insight on everything British
• 24:26
  athletics and very well timed given what's going on at the
• 24:28
  weekend. Welcome to the show, Matt.
• 24:31
  How are you doing? Very well boys, cheers for
• 24:33
  having me on. I know we're paying them a
• 24:35
  favour. It's great to have you on our
• 24:36
  podcast last week, Ryan. Yeah, just enjoy listening to
• 24:40
  you as breakdown of Armagh there.
• 24:41
  I think that's I had a few run and that's exactly kind of where
• 24:45
  their head was at. And it's just it's a magical
• 24:47
  race, isn't it? So I was pleased you and got PB.
• 24:52
  Yeah, it's it seems like it's absolutely wild.
• 24:55
  Dean and I are so isolated over here in Australia that I mean,
• 24:59
  if all goes to plan for me, I'm not sure I'll ever make it over
• 25:02
  there. But we it's definitely one on
• 25:04
  the list because I know like a lot of people from where I'll
• 25:08
  come from in like Liverpool MERS side area travel over.
• 25:12
  So it is one there's ones people make the effort for, isn't.
• 25:16
  It. Yeah.
• 25:17
  I mean, what do you guys do for sort of high calibre 5 KS, even
• 25:21
  sort of 10 KS half marathons? Is there is it that much
• 25:24
  opportunity for you to go and RIP a PB multiple times a year?
• 25:31
  Not not as much like it. Well, as far as 5K races go, I
• 25:36
  wouldn't say there's a heap of like domestic 5K races that are
• 25:40
  particularly deep. I think 10 half marathon that 10
• 25:44
  KS and half marathons there are, but more on the East Coast of
• 25:47
  Australia. So that's like we've got to hop
• 25:49
  on the minimum of one flight if we can get a direct flight to
• 25:53
  the city that's hosting the race.
• 25:55
  But places like like Tassie, like Hobart, Launceston, like
• 26:03
  Melbourne have a couple of particularly fast 10K or half
• 26:06
  marathon races. So we would go to those if we
• 26:09
  were looking for ones that have a field, but nothing that really
• 26:12
  compares to something like Amar. I would say if we are looking
• 26:17
  for similar depth, the closest thing for us is Japan's an 8
• 26:22
  hour flight and it's the same time zone.
• 26:24
  So those Japanese races are, are unbelievable.
• 26:28
  And that's actually how when Ryan and I all came to be came
• 26:32
  to meet was we were we all trained up for 1/2 marathon that
• 26:36
  was run a couple of weeks ago in Japan and Marigami half.
• 26:40
  So yeah, we decided to hop on a plane for that.
• 26:44
  Sick God that's a difficult AR journey just to get just to
• 26:49
  shoot for 1/2 marathon PV. Yeah, that's right.
• 26:53
  So when we we can't really talk too much about weather on the
• 26:56
  podcast without Owen getting filthy, And then when Owen talks
• 26:58
  about the hour and a half drive home he had from one of the best
• 27:02
  races in the world, I, you know, I'm like, oh, Paul Bugger.
• 27:05
  Yeah. Yeah, the self-proclaimed
• 27:09
  fastest 5K in the world, that's what they're going with, isn't
• 27:12
  it? So yeah, you're lucky, Owen, I
• 27:16
  think. Last place, last place.
• 27:17
  We've got M16, like 35 or something.
• 27:21
  It's just crazy. That's.
• 27:22
  Cool. It's certainly the deepest,
• 27:23
  certainly the deepest 5K for yeah, for that level.
• 27:28
  Right, Maths time is of a premium, we've only got them for
• 27:31
  a short amount of time, so let's get into it.
• 27:33
  I don't know Matt, how do you want to do it?
• 27:35
  Have you got anything highlights that stand out to you, you want
• 27:38
  to speak about or should we go through results?
• 27:40
  We can we can nail results. I don't know how much of the
• 27:43
  British Champs you guys watched or, or anything like that, but
• 27:47
  for us, we have great races. You know, the British champs
• 27:51
  always, there's always those athletes who have got the
• 27:53
  qualifying standard, they want to put their place on the plane
• 27:56
  to the world indoors, etcetera. But for me, the British champs
• 27:59
  is, and I don't know if it's becoming more and more common.
• 28:03
  It's lacking depth. And you have those who want to
• 28:06
  get their spot on the plane and you have those who turn up to
• 28:09
  the British champs for experience.
• 28:11
  And then all of those athletes in the middle ground, basically
• 28:13
  all of those athletes who were probably in our mile with with
• 28:16
  Joanne aren't, aren't there. And for one reason or another, I
• 28:20
  think an interesting debate is why they don't, why they aren't
• 28:23
  present and why they avoid British Champs.
• 28:25
  And is there much to run for for them?
• 28:28
  They know they're not going to necessarily meddle.
• 28:29
  They might scrape the final. And unfortunately, I just think
• 28:33
  finishing 7th, 8th place at the British Champs doesn't carry
• 28:35
  that much weight. You know, for example, your PB
• 28:38
  carries a lot more weight and says more about you as an
• 28:40
  athlete than where you place at British Champs.
• 28:42
  And so I think the sport's a bit of a crossroads there, but that
• 28:46
  was one of my biggest takeaways from British champs.
• 28:48
  The racing was great. We could talk through results,
• 28:50
  absolutely. Were you on the ground?
• 28:54
  I was watching from afar. Actually I was, I was at home, I
• 28:57
  was watching on TV. The British University
• 28:59
  Championships was the same day and some of the finals
• 29:03
  overlapped as well, so I was kind of consuming it all on on
• 29:06
  screens. And Matt, just on that point
• 29:10
  you're picking up in terms of because I know like when we say
• 29:13
  it from afar, there seems to be a bit of controversy around
• 29:16
  selection and the application of British of selection policy when
• 29:19
  it comes to British British Athletics.
• 29:20
  So with the the seemingly discretionary elements of the
• 29:25
  policy, is that why people are potentially just a bit hesitant
• 29:28
  to rock up to some of these races unless they know they're
• 29:30
  going to post a time? 100% I think you know it.
• 29:35
  It's, it doesn't mean as much even if you win British champs
• 29:38
  now that we had some great upsets.
• 29:40
  But unfortunately those people who overcame the odds and won
• 29:45
  the races, they, they won't go to the warning doors.
• 29:47
  The selection policy is becoming more and more grey.
• 29:51
  Effectively there are multiple ways to qualify for the World
• 29:55
  Championships now. Indoors, it'll be the same
• 29:57
  outdoors at Europeans I'm sure. And it's just British athletics
• 30:00
  covering their backs. They just want to cover all
• 30:02
  bases. If they have an athlete that
• 30:04
  they want to, you know, somehow get into the championships and
• 30:07
  get on the plane, they can, you know, then there's it's, you
• 30:10
  know, it's in a policy. So they can't, can't have people
• 30:12
  come at them and try and sue them, etcetera.
• 30:14
  So I think that's that's a real shame about our championships.
• 30:20
  Because that was very much the case as well in Tokyo, wasn't
• 30:23
  it? Like we've seen, I can't
• 30:24
  remember which way around it was, but through the 10K and the
• 30:27
  marathon there was like was only a male crash represented GB
• 30:31
  across the whole combined distances.
• 30:34
  And then we had someone that was formerly, well, someone with a
• 30:37
  British accent running for Uruguay who grew up in America,
• 30:41
  I think meddling at those said chance.
• 30:43
  So it just, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to make a lot
• 30:46
  of sense to me in terms of why and also just the influence.
• 30:50
  Why do why does it the administrators seem to have such
• 30:53
  a an influence over athletes who are Because a lot of these
• 30:57
  athletes are qualifying for these World Championships but
• 30:59
  aren't selected to participate. Just doesn't make a lot of
• 31:02
  sense. Yeah, Look, I think the
• 31:03
  selection policy has put athletes off full stop from even
• 31:06
  entertaining the idea of track. One of the it's not a problem,
• 31:10
  but one of the things that is occurring more and more in our
• 31:12
  sport is people are moving to the road sooner and sooner.
• 31:15
  I think it's more enjoyable for them.
• 31:16
  They do their own races, they they run great times.
• 31:19
  They can sign a bigger contract with brands and we're losing a
• 31:23
  lot of for athletes in their prime over 5K.
• 31:28
  We're losing them to the roads straight up.
• 31:30
  You know, you especially on our men's and and our women's side,
• 31:33
  to be honest, we've got a lot of men who could probably if they
• 31:35
  were to stick at the 5K for two or three years, they could run
• 31:38
  thirteen O 5, they could run 1310.
• 31:40
  They'll never give themselves the chance because they're just
• 31:42
  moving straight to the half straight to the marathon.
• 31:45
  And one of the reasons for that is it's too difficult to
• 31:47
  qualify. You know, they just don't even
• 31:49
  want to get involved in a track season of pressure and maybes if
• 31:55
  they can get on that plane. You raised a few points there
• 32:00
  earlier, one of them about athletes kind of like finishing
• 32:05
  midway down the field that British champs like, what does
• 32:09
  it really mean? One of the things which stood
• 32:11
  out to me this weekend was like, maybe this time last year, if
• 32:15
  not the year before, Joe Wickfield potentially would have
• 32:18
  been not getting out of the heat, so not making a final and
• 32:22
  in his preferred distance of 800 meters.
• 32:25
  Or maybe he's given 1500 meters a crack.
• 32:27
  And now here he has quickly moved up to the half marathon.
• 32:30
  And yeah, he's he's on to bigger and better things.
• 32:34
  That's it. And that's exactly what's
• 32:36
  happening time and time again. It does.
• 32:38
  It probably doesn't help as good as you know, Jake Wyman, Josh
• 32:41
  Kerr, Neil Collies, good to see these guys are.
• 32:44
  It probably doesn't benefit those trying to breakthrough and
• 32:48
  you know, because they know that for the next even I mean, look,
• 32:51
  Josh Kerjay Wyman and Neil Gauli Elliot Giles, maybe that's been
• 32:54
  our BIG4. They've gone through every
• 32:56
  championship for the last 7-8 years.
• 33:00
  Yes, it I mean, I remember the morning 2019 and do a guitar so
• 33:03
  and even Europeans in in 2018 actually.
• 33:06
  So and they've just taken the spots and whether whether
• 33:09
  Whiteman is ill on the day the trials doesn't turn out.
• 33:11
  There's still a spot reserved for him.
• 33:13
  He'd had meddling at majors. So they get an auto, auto spot
• 33:16
  as far as British athletics are concerned.
• 33:18
  So that probably doesn't help our development in the 1500.
• 33:21
  And then when it comes to the 5K and the 10K, those times are so
• 33:25
  incredibly hard and there's no reward for getting those times.
• 33:29
  Financially, it's a difficult place for an athlete to commit
• 33:33
  to pursuing a career on the track.
• 33:37
  As a fan of athletics, would you what would you think if they
• 33:41
  went down the the UK adopted the same approach as the US in terms
• 33:46
  of the top three of the trials get to go?
• 33:49
  It would certainly make things a lot more exciting around our
• 33:52
  championships. I I think our championships has
• 33:54
  been flat for a number of years. And one of the big reasons for
• 33:58
  that is because you watch it and you know, what you're watching
• 34:02
  actually isn't going to change anything.
• 34:04
  You know, if, if someone wins, like Sarah Calvert won, but
• 34:08
  unfortunately doesn't have the standard so won't go, they've
• 34:11
  reserved a spot for, you know, Georgia Bell, if she's in it, it
• 34:14
  could be a different event. That's kind of what happened
• 34:16
  this year. And so it it would, it would
• 34:19
  certainly be bring more weighting to the Champs, more of
• 34:22
  like a wow factor in that sense. But again, the way the sport is
• 34:27
  with standards and stuff is difficult.
• 34:29
  It's it's what frustrates me because I would much rather the
• 34:32
  standard be slower and actually just focus on the pure racing
• 34:36
  and celebrate those who have beaten people who have 5 second
• 34:40
  better performance over them over 1500, let's say.
• 34:43
  But that's just where we are. I what I looked at your opinion
• 34:48
  on Keely Hodgkinson. So she makes to effort, she goes
• 34:51
  there, she runs the heat, runs an unbelievable time, but then
• 34:55
  doesn't run the final. Like I just, I don't get it.
• 35:00
  Yeah, I guess people have mixed opinions.
• 35:02
  A lot of a lot of Brits are supporting Keely in this one
• 35:05
  because they're like they want to see Keely go and break a
• 35:07
  world record. She's going to line up on
• 35:09
  Thursday night on the world tour in France and she's looking
• 35:14
  brilliant, right? She's looking like she will go
• 35:17
  and break that record. She's only got to knock what, .5
• 35:20
  of a second off. But for me and, and part of the
• 35:23
  reason she's did, she's not doing the final was because you
• 35:27
  know, it affects her, her build up for that world record
• 35:29
  attempt. I just think that's a real
• 35:33
  shame. We had Izzy Buffy who'd run 157
• 35:35
  this year and we could have had a great match up.
• 35:36
  We could have had a great race, you know, get the British public
• 35:39
  on boards, but instead we had a procession and instead there's a
• 35:44
  cloud over the Champs and and Keely arguably probably takes
• 35:46
  the headlines with 156 and not and not running the final for
• 35:50
  me. You're a professional.
• 35:53
  Surely you would just if you need a race to tune up for a
• 35:55
  world record attempt, surely you'd do it outside of a British
• 35:57
  Championships. But then the flip side is you
• 36:00
  wanted to line up at the British Championships and and show her
• 36:02
  face, which I get as well. How much more effort would a
• 36:05
  final taken out of Keely? Yeah, I, I don't think any at
• 36:09
  all. You know, she could have run, I
• 36:11
  mean, it was 205 for these women's to qualify in the final.
• 36:13
  By the way, she could have run a 205204205, jogging, run a 158 in
• 36:18
  the final, beaten Buffy, great race and then gone on.
• 36:21
  I don't think that would have affected her world record
• 36:23
  chances. But I'm, you know, I'm not a
• 36:25
  world class coach and, you know, and I'm sure there was reasons
• 36:29
  for it, but I just think it it it encouraged the wrong press
• 36:34
  and the wrong media attention. And in all Keely, I mean, it
• 36:38
  was, you know, Georgia obviously dropped out last minute, which
• 36:40
  was a shame. And Josh Kerr dropped out last
• 36:42
  minute as well. He said he didn't travel well
• 36:45
  and had a slight niggle and a slight flare up.
• 36:47
  But I think those of us who know the sport know that these
• 36:50
  athletes probably didn't really want to turn up anyway, but they
• 36:53
  have to show intent to turn up in order to qualify for the
• 36:57
  World Championships. And ultimately, the the
• 37:01
  selection policy allows, allows Keely to do what she's done,
• 37:04
  doesn't it? So it's kind of like, yeah, you
• 37:06
  can criticize her, but she's just playing by the rules that
• 37:09
  are put out in front of her. Which is just.
• 37:13
  Go. Sorry, Ron.
• 37:14
  No, I. Was going to say.
• 37:15
  And then on the flip side, you have to maybe question how her
• 37:22
  race selection allows her to prioritise attempting to run a
• 37:26
  world record just days after British champs and her and the
• 37:30
  team decide that's OK because British champs are so
• 37:33
  meaningless in the getting selected and just the overall
• 37:37
  weight of them. Anyway, let's go for a world
• 37:39
  record four days later. Yeah, I mean, I guess I've got
• 37:45
  nothing against go for a world record.
• 37:46
  She's at this level where she's got a window, right?
• 37:49
  She's got a window. She needs to probably run these
• 37:51
  records in the next two years before they might be Beyoncé.
• 37:55
  You never know, injuries, etcetera.
• 37:57
  And they are very, very difficult records.
• 37:59
  They're probably the hardest records in track and field.
• 38:02
  So I don't have anything against that.
• 38:03
  I think I agree with your initial point there, Ryan.
• 38:05
  It's just why do British, British athletics allow that to
• 38:09
  happen? They probably would have been
• 38:11
  better off saying to Keely, hey, just don't just, you know, just
• 38:14
  just don't bother, you know, don't turn up or just say, look,
• 38:17
  if you're going to turn up, do the, you know, race twice.
• 38:20
  You know, unless you have a legit reason, race twice because
• 38:22
  it makes a mockery of our our champs.
• 38:26
  And it's what British athletics do sort of time and time again,
• 38:29
  they make a mockery of our champs.
• 38:31
  Don't get me started. We had wave lights present in
• 38:33
  finals, but athletes had to decide whether they wanted wave
• 38:36
  lights or they didn't want wave lights.
• 38:37
  So there is a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of discussion
• 38:40
  coming around our British champs.
• 38:41
  But I think time and time again, the governing body shoots itself
• 38:43
  in the foot for me. And this was another example of
• 38:46
  them doing that and just opening themselves up to criticism when
• 38:49
  they probably didn't need. To I just don't understand how
• 38:53
  far away. So like Sebco, like World
• 38:56
  Athletics are doing all these good things in terms of
• 38:58
  improving prize money, creating a point system that that gives
• 39:03
  weighting to your local championships so you get bonus
• 39:07
  points to incentivize qualifying.
• 39:09
  You'd think that countries like even Australia, you you we're
• 39:12
  seeing now like Ryan, we were at our Aussie champs last year.
• 39:17
  They were hosted in Perth and we had in terms of the turn out, we
• 39:21
  had such quality racing locally because they were because the
• 39:24
  policy was such that they were athletes were incentivized to
• 39:28
  come home, be it all the way from the US in some instances to
• 39:32
  come race these champs. And it made the championship so
• 39:35
  exciting we that it was packed and it was such a spectacle.
• 39:40
  And so you've got someone who's leading world, you know, heading
• 39:43
  up World Athletics, creating these incentives for athletes in
• 39:47
  terms of pathways to qualify for championships.
• 39:50
  But yeah, British athletics don't seem to be getting on
• 39:52
  board with creating the right incentives for athletes to get
• 39:55
  the best athletes competing in their British champs.
• 39:57
  They're just that shit. No incentive There's there's no
• 40:01
  incentive if you're good. You really want to avoid the
• 40:03
  British champs because you're like, it's just a race.
• 40:05
  It's a high pressure event you could do without.
• 40:07
  You just want to get yourself on the plane and and if you're if
• 40:11
  you're on the cusp, if you're on the periphery, it's like, well,
• 40:13
  you are. The odds are so stacked against
• 40:15
  you that I think a lot of athletes now are just like,
• 40:17
  what's the point? You know what, they might be two
• 40:20
  or three seconds off the qualifying standard.
• 40:22
  What's the point in them going? They know they're not going to
• 40:24
  get a spot on the plane. I'm intrigued.
• 40:26
  What incentives did Australia put out in their selection
• 40:28
  policy last year that encourage people to come home and race
• 40:32
  their champs then? It's gotten harder, but it was
• 40:36
  to in the effect of you win the race, you run the standard, you
• 40:39
  get selected. OK, something, something to that
• 40:42
  to that effect. So a lot of people were coming
• 40:43
  home to make sure they won their pet event and I guess and then
• 40:46
  would go to Europe run standard. Right.
• 40:49
  Yeah. And I guess that's encouraging
• 40:51
  for Australians because the championships are so far ahead
• 40:54
  that they can just get that locked, get that done and dusted
• 40:57
  early doors. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:59
  Do you have prize money? Because another thing in the UK
• 41:01
  we have we have zero prize money for athletes and British champs.
• 41:07
  Not, not anything like the USI think the US do it really well
• 41:10
  in terms of how much money they have and the the, the, you know,
• 41:14
  publicity they put towards their events and those sorts and the
• 41:17
  drama that comes with the selection races because it's the
• 41:19
  top three goes and those quota spots fill up.
• 41:22
  But they have the depth, though, of a heap of athletes sort of
• 41:24
  run the standard. So it makes it a bit simpler,
• 41:27
  albeit that sometimes people will run the standard and still
• 41:30
  not get to go. But yeah, it is difficult
• 41:35
  because, like you said, Matt, they're just getting harder and
• 41:37
  harder to actually have athletes eligible to participate because
• 41:40
  the times are getting so fast. Because there's so many
• 41:44
  opportunities for athletes to pick up prize money in our
• 41:47
  sport. Probably arguably the hardest
• 41:49
  race to win is a national title. But yet there is there is no
• 41:53
  reward for them there. And I was just thinking, you
• 41:55
  know, for those on the outside, if they could, if they could win
• 41:59
  or if they could sneak a medal and they could get a decent sum
• 42:02
  of, you know, 1000 lbs or 2000 lbs for achieving that, that
• 42:06
  would be that would help them, you know, in their career, in
• 42:09
  their development. You know, that's an altitude
• 42:11
  camp right there, isn't it? So yeah, I think it's tricky.
• 42:14
  There's very little incentive. But also our governing body, how
• 42:18
  it how it funds itself is purely through lottery funding.
• 42:21
  And that is largely down to how we perform at a major
• 42:24
  championships. So you can kind of see the
• 42:26
  headache that our governing body have because if they don't take
• 42:30
  the best runners to perform at the World Championships or
• 42:32
  Olympic Games, they won't get the funding for future years.
• 42:36
  So you know, if they reward these great results in these
• 42:39
  upsets of British champs and we take a slightly weaker team, but
• 42:42
  one who delivered on the day of British champs and we know deep
• 42:45
  down they're going to get knocked out of the semi final,
• 42:47
  despite it being a huge opportunity and a huge part of
• 42:49
  their development, the British British athletics will be worse
• 42:53
  off for it. So there is a business element
• 42:56
  to all of this for them. And I guess my work around of
• 43:01
  that is I really believe that governing bodies should find a
• 43:04
  way to earn money and operate like a proper business instead
• 43:08
  of just relying on handouts. And I guess that's a problem for
• 43:12
  British athletics and a problem for our sport, because until
• 43:15
  they do that, we are probably only going to be worse offers,
• 43:17
  athletes, coaches, fans of our sport.
• 43:20
  Because lottery funding, let's be honest, is going one way.
• 43:23
  It's getting less and less and less every year.
• 43:25
  There's not enough money. Look at look at the state of our
• 43:27
  country. There's not enough money for
• 43:29
  them to plow hundreds of millions of pounds into funding
• 43:33
  our sport. So our sport needs to find a way
• 43:36
  to make money. Yeah, yet the road racing, I
• 43:40
  don't know what it's like over in the UK, but certainly here,
• 43:43
  like an event sells out within a matter of days.
• 43:47
  So all of these Rd. races are just becoming more and more
• 43:51
  attractive and, and athletes and, and anyone connected to the
• 43:54
  events are getting more and more incentivized to participate
• 43:58
  because the money's there. Yeah, and that's something that
• 44:03
  British Athletics have done. They've merged with Athletics
• 44:06
  Ventures, which is the company that owns sort of London
• 44:09
  Marathon events, Great North, Iran, etcetera.
• 44:12
  So and they have effectively, they've got, you know, a ton of
• 44:17
  cash and they're funding a lot of things at the moment.
• 44:21
  Yeah. And, and they're in a position
• 44:23
  where they get, they're making so much money because you're,
• 44:25
  you're right. You said they pretty much own
• 44:26
  every major road race in the country and it's selling out
• 44:30
  50,000 or 20,000 every other weekend.
• 44:33
  So it's I'm intrigued to see where the next, you know, what
• 44:37
  the next few years hold for for our sport, especially track and
• 44:40
  field. Matt, thanks very much for all
• 44:43
  of your opinions. I know you said earlier you're
• 44:45
  on a bit of a cut off, so I just want to get a couple of quick
• 44:47
  fire questions at you before you go.
• 44:50
  Looking ahead to Thursday, do you think Keely does it?
• 44:54
  Yeah, wave lights. I mean, she looked really good.
• 44:57
  Birmingham isn't notoriously a super fast track.
• 45:00
  I think she does it and that'll be her first world record and
• 45:02
  see what she can do outdoors. She looked very, very
• 45:04
  impressive. Is the Do you know who else is
• 45:09
  in the field at this stage? I actually don't, I haven't, I
• 45:12
  haven't done my research yet on this one, but I'm sure there
• 45:15
  are. I'm sure there is a start list
• 45:17
  or at least some rumours out there already online.
• 45:20
  But I know Femke Bowl's going to do the 600 so won't face off
• 45:24
  against Keely. But I think their competition
• 45:26
  is, is almost irrelevant in this one.
• 45:29
  It's going to be all her, you know, seconds ahead of the
• 45:33
  field. It's funny because we were
• 45:36
  speaking about Femka Ball last week or the week before when we
• 45:40
  and like kind of the impact of her debut.
• 45:41
  And this is like Keely's answer to it, isn't it?
• 45:44
  And it's quite, quite emphatic. I think it only would have
• 45:48
  spurred Keely on seeing Femka apparently.
• 45:55
  Tisca de Guma from Ethiopia is running, that's the big match up
• 45:59
  with Keely and Jemariki is there and no way lay your go from
• 46:04
  Benin, Yeah. They're good.
• 46:07
  They're good runners, you know, outdoors on their day, they're
• 46:09
  156 runners, but I just think I haven't seen enough of them this
• 46:14
  indoor season dealt, you know, it's a gold tour.
• 46:16
  So there is going to be a world class field.
• 46:17
  But you know, if if we're talking about Keely running 155
• 46:21
  low here, she's going to be two or three seconds ahead of the
• 46:23
  rest, no question. I was thinking about this
• 46:27
  question myself earlier and I was thinking about Lily and
• 46:29
  Odira, who who beat Keely in in Tokyo and she hasn't ran since.
• 46:34
  So I'm wondering what's going on there, whether she'll be back
• 46:37
  this this indoor year or not. But yeah, we'll see.
• 46:44
  And also Keely said she wouldn't be doing com games in that
• 46:47
  interview. So is she all in on Europeans
• 46:50
  after indoors? I think so.
• 46:54
  I think exactly that. It's funny, we spoke about
• 46:57
  British champs not meaning a huge deal to athletes.
• 47:00
  And I think you get to a certain level like Keely is and you
• 47:04
  know, she's obviously decided the Commonwealth Games isn't a
• 47:07
  priority for her and probably chasing records will be.
• 47:11
  I think she'll be going for a world record this summer again,
• 47:13
  outdoors over the 800. So she'll be looking, I don't
• 47:17
  know I the comp games is end of July, early August, right?
• 47:20
  I haven't matched that up with the Diamond League timetable
• 47:22
  yet, but I suspect there's a big Diamond leagues in and around
• 47:26
  this window that she'll be targeting.
• 47:29
  Fair enough. Well, thanks very much for your
• 47:31
  expert opinion and really enjoyed talking everything
• 47:34
  British athletics. I'm sorry we didn't get into the
• 47:37
  the details of the results, but that's that's the easy part.
• 47:40
  We can do that. It's your strategical oversight
• 47:43
  that we appreciate. Lads, thanks very much.
• 47:47
  Cheers, Matt. That was fun.
• 47:50
  It's, it's kind of confirms all the things that we we conspire
• 47:53
  about because he's on the ground then he's got all the
• 47:56
  connections and knows the insurance and outs of it,
• 47:58
  doesn't he? I love his voice.
• 48:04
  He's a good speaker. Yeah, and interesting, like I
• 48:08
  feel like it doesn't make sense to us some of the things that
• 48:12
  British athletics are doing. And it sounds like it that that
• 48:15
  feelings across the board. And I think you mentioned Ryan,
• 48:20
  do you see Jordan, Donne Donnelly post something recently
• 48:22
  to that effect as well offering assistance And some of the
• 48:26
  people we've spoken to from the UK also pretty disenchanted
• 48:29
  athletes. Like I think it's a pretty
• 48:31
  consistent message about it being pretty share.
• 48:35
  Yeah, I mean, what's it, what's it have to come to when
• 48:38
  someone's personally offering to cover the costs of athletes
• 48:41
  who've literally qualified for their travel and stuff?
• 48:45
  Yeah, and it just doesn't make sense.
• 48:47
  It's an event, It's a sport that's governed by World
• 48:50
  Athletics. Why these by these countries
• 48:53
  having such influence when they don't even employ them, they
• 48:56
  don't pay them anything? Do you think Donnelly had any
• 49:01
  Paul in Wakefield's contract? What, Nike?
• 49:07
  Because they're both from World, aren't they?
• 49:10
  Yeah, it could be a conspiracy. I thought, to be honest, I
• 49:14
  thought he was going to join M11, obviously being only up the
• 49:18
  road an hour or so away from where he lives.
• 49:22
  But to be fair, he's been with his coach since like pre uni and
• 49:26
  he's he said he's managed to stay with his coach while
• 49:29
  signing for Nike. So, and we heard them say on the
• 49:31
  interview about his little trial with Macau and kind of like
• 49:36
  Dino, it seems like he's got got really good dynamic just with
• 49:39
  with his coach. So perfect Sassa potentially.
• 49:42
  What did you think of the video? They just do it.
• 49:46
  I thought it was going to turn into a bit of a meme to be fair.
• 49:53
  They do it well though, that Nike with that sort of shit,
• 49:56
  don't they? Yeah, well, it's Nike got some
• 50:00
  really good coverage this weekend in Barcelona, didn't
• 50:03
  they? Because, I don't know, they must
• 50:05
  have some sort of relationship with Barcelona.
• 50:07
  You know, you, you see the races, like sometimes it's full
• 50:10
  of a six athletes, sometimes it's full of Adidas athletes.
• 50:14
  And this one was Nike. Jimmy Whelan was pumping out the
• 50:17
  content of Jack Raynor. What wasn't he?
• 50:20
  That was sick. That was cool coverage.
• 50:23
  But yeah. And what shoe is that?
• 50:25
  The new Alpha Fly. I think that was just a new
• 50:29
  colorway of the three. As far as I could tell it was
• 50:32
  the same structure. Yeah, look good.
• 50:36
  That didn't it? They look pretty cool.
• 50:38
  We'll probably get into it, but. Yeah, let's rattle off a few of
• 50:41
  these British indoor ones and I think we've spoken about the
• 50:44
  important things, but we'll cover the results.
• 50:46
  So the women's 800 meters, as we touched on, Keely Hodgkinson won
• 50:51
  her semi final in 156.33, a world lead.
• 50:55
  She won by 9 seconds from Ellie Baker, who herself has
• 51:00
  represented GB on multiple occasions.
• 51:02
  So just shows the magnitude of of what Keely's done.
• 51:05
  Like, you know, the way the stagger, I don't know if you've
• 51:08
  seen the race, but they, they all start ahead of each other.
• 51:10
  Like Keely just ate that up within about 50 meters.
• 51:14
  It was quite bizarre. And no pacemaker from the front
• 51:19
  to run that time. I can see why maths is quite up
• 51:23
  and about on this potential world.
• 51:25
  World record on Thursday. So she lowers her own indoor
• 51:30
  national record of 157 from the same indoor track in 2023.
• 51:35
  And I'm looking at the the rankings.
• 51:37
  She now has five of the six fastest ever petition doors,
• 51:40
  times only that Isabel Buffy, who Matt mentioned is in amongst
• 51:45
  them from her time in Boston this year.
• 51:50
  And then, unfortunately for the fans sake, Keely, as we touched
• 51:54
  on, decided not to participate in the final.
• 51:57
  But that final was then won by Isabel Buffy herself the
• 52:01
  challenger, the 157 lady from this year.
• 52:04
  She ran 159.64 to beat Emily Simpson in a two O 1.43.
• 52:09
  So pretty comprehensive win there.
• 52:13
  Moving on to the women's 3K, Hannah Nuttall who's been in
• 52:20
  sizzling hot form this year running the 3K in was it in
• 52:26
  Boston the other week where she went toe to toe with Lemon
• 52:29
  goalie and Hennigren and pushed Lemon goalie right to the end.
• 52:33
  So Hannah Nuttall won this race in 841.75, which is a course
• 52:38
  record, A championship record, rather taking the record from
• 52:41
  Joe Pavey who is 50% of Jake Smith's coaching squad.
• 52:48
  That record stood from 2004. So it's interesting.
• 52:52
  It shows you how championship races are naturally slower
• 52:55
  because Hannah and us all has ran faster than that on several
• 52:58
  occasions herself, yet no one British indoor champs has run
• 53:02
  faster in over 20 years. The men's 3K was won by Thomas
• 53:08
  Keane, training partner of Jake Whiteman, New Balance athlete.
• 53:12
  He won in 751.68 from Henry Mccluckie 751.7.
• 53:17
  So insanely close here. And when you look at their PBS,
• 53:24
  I remember before I chatted to math on the podcast last week, I
• 53:28
  knew we were going to talk about British champs or thought we
• 53:30
  might. So I was doing a bit of like
• 53:33
  research trying to get my pick sorted.
• 53:36
  And for this I landed on Mccluckey because his PBS like
• 53:40
  far outweigh that of Thomas Keynes, who's 9 seconds faster
• 53:44
  over the 3K. And Keynes managed to to do them
• 53:49
  here, so fair play. I think he's always kind of been
• 53:52
  on the periphery, Tom Keane, like he's made a couple of
• 53:55
  finals or he's finished 5th and 6th here and there.
• 53:58
  But this is a is a big run. Yeah, you always see him in a
• 54:02
  Jake Whiteman's YouTube videos. He seems to train with him a
• 54:05
  lot. Well, yeah, no big win.
• 54:10
  Like 751 isn't hanging around either.
• 54:13
  Big Love sort of is when they're busy.
• 54:16
  Like, the standard for the world's is 733 so.
• 54:21
  But yeah, championship bracing is a lot slower.
• 54:24
  And that's the that's the point we were picking up earlier.
• 54:28
  You know, Matt's point as well. So there's no incentive in any
• 54:31
  of these policies. Like you're going into a
• 54:33
  championship race, the pace lots are optional, the pacemakers
• 54:37
  aren't there. And so then normally what you're
• 54:40
  trying to do is win the race because that counts for
• 54:42
  something. And then if it doesn't count for
• 54:44
  something then and you've got your sights set beyond just a a
• 54:47
  title and there's no financial incentive and there's no added
• 54:50
  incentive to qualify, then what's it for?
• 54:54
  So, yeah, bit of a shame. And then the result is, yeah,
• 54:58
  you know, maybe you don't get the the the races that you could
• 55:02
  otherwise have. Well, yeah, because so much of
• 55:06
  the of the year now depends on running fast, doesn't it?
• 55:09
  Not just for time bonuses and stuff, but also just to get
• 55:12
  yourself into other races, whether that's Diamond League
• 55:15
  races or even bronze silver level meets across the circuit.
• 55:19
  Like there's so much competition to get a start.
• 55:22
  Yeah, and well, and what you would do is you what should
• 55:25
  happen is that you would get added chant like points for
• 55:29
  running your local championship. And those points should
• 55:31
  hopefully bridge the gap where you can roll into a spot.
• 55:35
  But if your federation is UK Athletics that don't respect
• 55:39
  people that make quota spots, then these then your
• 55:44
  performances at these championships effectively don't
• 55:46
  count for anything. So what what should be
• 55:49
  happening, and that's the whole intent of the policy of what
• 55:52
  Word Athletics are doing, is giving extra points for people
• 55:54
  running their local championships.
• 55:57
  But it's the up to the federations then to select the
• 56:00
  athletes and let them go. The men's 1500 metres again,
• 56:05
  potentially a bit of a surprise here.
• 56:06
  Jack Higgins won in 338.12, another championship record from
• 56:12
  James McMurray further down the field.
• 56:15
  Familiar name, familiar face of Adam Fogg.
• 56:19
  A slightly disappointing run for him finishing fourth.
• 56:22
  And now based on like one of his Instagram posts after I can't
• 56:27
  remember where he ran indoors a few weeks ago and he was he was
• 56:30
  pretty harsh on himself. So yeah, I'm sure he he won't be
• 56:37
  best pleased with this one. But he's he's got plenty more in
• 56:41
  the tank than what he's what he's showing over the weekend
• 56:44
  there and he no doubt he will be back.
• 56:46
  Yeah, I mean, what's he ran? I think he's run indoors a sub
• 56:49
  350 mile, right. So like, yeah, I'm sure he'll,
• 56:56
  if he gets back into that sort of form, he'll be on top of this
• 57:00
  sort of race. The women's 1500 meters.
• 57:04
  Then I've seen clips of this one on social media.
• 57:07
  Gemma Riki's worn in a 426.26, which is notoriously slow given
• 57:14
  kind of like that magical 4 minute barrier we've spoken
• 57:17
  about for women and it did seem like a bit of a jog.
• 57:20
  And then the last lap just Little and Gemma Reeky, to be
• 57:24
  fair to her, she's she's left them in her dust.
• 57:28
  She's went from the front on the bow and they just weren't able
• 57:31
  to hang with her. Reeve Walcott Nolan went and
• 57:34
  then she's ended up being passed close towards the finish line
• 57:37
  because she finished third. Molly Hudson in second.
• 57:41
  The men's 800 meters was won by Ben Patterson, so he's
• 57:46
  notoriously one of the best British 800 meter runners
• 57:49
  alongside Max Bergen who wasn't here.
• 57:52
  So Patterson won in 146.74 from Henry Fisher 147.4 and Ethan
• 57:59
  Hussey 3rd 147.74. Putting aside Keely's time,
• 58:07
  that's pretty solid, right? 146 indoors.
• 58:11
  Yeah, you're right. That's pretty fast, especially
• 58:13
  in comparison to how the other races will run.
• 58:18
  And that's us, the British champs.
• 58:21
  So I think pretty comprehensive coverage, their results and
• 58:26
  contextual oversight as well. Moving on to the Perth track
• 58:31
  Classic not too far from home. This one happened Saturday
• 58:36
  evening in what started off to be 28° blistering sunshine, if
• 58:41
  not a couple degrees warmer. Stupidly sat myself in the stand
• 58:45
  where the sun aims right at you, saturated my shorts and
• 58:48
  T-shirts, and then proceeded to move into the shade as the as
• 58:53
  the sun actually went down. So bit of a backward strategy
• 58:56
  from me there, but the stand gives you like that Good
• 58:59
  oversight on the pole vault and the triple jump and stuff.
• 59:04
  The pole vault in particular, right?
• 59:06
  Yeah, I didn't know you're a big Coal fan.
• 59:09
  It's training. Needs to die, but I'll tell you
• 59:12
  what I am. I'm want to follow the crowd and
• 59:14
  that's where the crowd will go and so.
• 59:17
  Just for Owen's benefit, the sun is this yellow thing that.
• 59:21
  Oh really? Is it warm?
• 59:26
  I yeah, I felt a bit of the sun myself from the from the suede
• 59:32
  at the footy. I missed this mate, Ryan.
• 59:34
  I was entertaining at the time, yeah.
• 59:39
  On the touchline, calling the shots.
• 59:42
  I was, yeah, just giving Bailey Smith to rub down I.
• 59:46
  Show him rough that video whilst we sat there and he's gone.
• 59:49
  How'd he get there? Course he did.
• 59:52
  Course he did. He probably wants the contact.
• 59:55
  OK, they're a freight. They're a freight distributor as
• 59:59
  well. You'll probably probably get the
• 1:00:01
  cheaper delivery of his boxes of Fly Cub.
• 1:00:05
  Off the back of it, anyway. Did WA win by the way in state?
• 1:00:12
  State. They got rolled by four goals.
• 1:00:14
  So there's a State of Origin for the first time Owen in since
• 1:00:18
  1998 that WA played against Victoria.
• 1:00:23
  So our Ryan and I's Ryan's adopted in my home state, played
• 1:00:27
  against the VIX, which for context, there's 18 clubs in the
• 1:00:31
  AFL, two of them play for WA and I think 9 or 10 play for
• 1:00:34
  Victoria. So the the odds were stacked
• 1:00:38
  against us and yeah, look, we were good.
• 1:00:41
  We got within a goal partway through the last quarter, but we
• 1:00:44
  ended up getting rolled. But it was a sellout crowd 60
• 1:00:47
  odd. Thousand I taught State of
• 1:00:49
  Origin was the the rugby league thing.
• 1:00:52
  Historically it is, but there used to, there used to be a
• 1:00:56
  State of origin as far as the AFL, but it's it's, it's not
• 1:00:59
  been around for what, I don't know, 20 something years.
• 1:01:04
  So yeah, almost 30 years. So it came back and they they
• 1:01:10
  tried it and I think it was quite a success.
• 1:01:13
  So much, so much so that I missed out on the Perth track
• 1:01:16
  classic. But anyway.
• 1:01:19
  Well, yeah, this one actually started for me on the Friday
• 1:01:23
  when Rafford text me saying what are you doing Friday, 6:00 PM
• 1:01:27
  And I knew he had something up his sleeve.
• 1:01:30
  I didn't have any plans anyway, but I was like nothing and.
• 1:01:34
  Valentine's. Should we have our early
• 1:01:38
  Valentine's days? So we did.
• 1:01:40
  We went down to the track and Justin Rinaldi and his Fast 8
• 1:01:45
  track club were doing their pre race tuner on the track.
• 1:01:49
  So there was people actually wasn't there randomly given he's
• 1:01:53
  the kind of main athlete at the minute, but Tan and Croker and
• 1:01:57
  the British guy and there was a Trinidad guy, Nathan
• 1:02:01
  Cumberbatch, 2 Japanese guys and Bob the WA boy and they were all
• 1:02:08
  just doing their pre race workout which to be honest
• 1:02:11
  wasn't all that exciting I think.
• 1:02:13
  Is Bob WA? He's down as Victorian.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, I think he, he originally was born in WA and maybe spent
• 1:02:20
  early childhood here, but then has grew up later in life in
• 1:02:25
  Victoria. Raph was very keen to say that
• 1:02:28
  you consider WA home. Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  And he's like, Yep. He knew the right answer.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, yeah. The workout wasn't all that
• 1:02:38
  exciting, so Croker and actually did something different to the
• 1:02:41
  rest of them, which was interesting.
• 1:02:43
  I don't know, maybe he's not up to the same level of training as
• 1:02:46
  them yet or he just prefers something different.
• 1:02:48
  So he done like 200 meter. It wasn't.
• 1:02:53
  It definitely wasn't race pace. Maybe like just 5K intensity or
• 1:02:57
  something. Walk through 100 meters, then he
• 1:02:59
  would do 100 meters, walk through 200 meters, done 200,
• 1:03:03
  walk through 100 done 100. And the other boys just done 3
• 1:03:08
  by one 50s. And they were definitely at race
• 1:03:11
  pace, if not like last lap intensity and then just walk
• 1:03:15
  backs in between. And they've done a shit load of
• 1:03:19
  drills. And the Japanese boys had the
• 1:03:22
  massage guns out. They were had the massage guns
• 1:03:25
  on their arms for like 10 minutes.
• 1:03:27
  You know, I think because you you got so much arm swing in an
• 1:03:30
  ACE 100. Jack taught mom swing.
• 1:03:36
  So that was, that was cool, like sat in the stand watching them
• 1:03:39
  do that. And then at the end, I think of,
• 1:03:42
  I don't know what Raff's relationship is with Justin, but
• 1:03:45
  he came over and spoke to us for a couple of minutes, which was
• 1:03:48
  nice. I mean, we'll get into the
• 1:03:51
  results, but he's some sort of maestro, isn't he?
• 1:03:55
  So it seems like. I don't know what he is.
• 1:03:59
  What does he know about the 800 that other people don't?
• 1:04:02
  I mean, obviously Keely's group are doing amazing things, but
• 1:04:06
  his conversion rate is outrageous.
• 1:04:10
  Yeah, because I think he was pretty tidy runner himself.
• 1:04:12
  He ran maybe 150 or 149 / 800. But obviously he's he's no
• 1:04:19
  longer an athlete. He's I don't know how old he is,
• 1:04:21
  but yeah, the athlete years are behind him.
• 1:04:23
  But shit yeah, he's still heavily involved and I think, I
• 1:04:28
  don't know if this is my bias for being like a note.
• 1:04:33
  Is he widely considered the best under meter coach in the world?
• 1:04:38
  I don't know. Yeah, I would like to know
• 1:04:40
  where, where he stacks, but just he has, it seems like we follow
• 1:04:45
  800 meters and his name is associated with some breakout
• 1:04:49
  performances often like it's not one and it's not luck, it's not
• 1:04:53
  one talented athlete. He seems to have a bit of a
• 1:04:55
  method of producing great results.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. So for those who haven't
• 1:05:00
  connected the dots, he coached Josh Howie for the majority of,
• 1:05:05
  I know the past two years and they parted ways I think in
• 1:05:09
  October maybe. But he coached Howie to his
• 1:05:12
  world indoor title last year. I mean, technically Ronaldi's
• 1:05:17
  still a world indoor reigning champion through Josh and how we
• 1:05:22
  end up running what they run like 142 or something.
• 1:05:26
  So yeah, I think that is kind of best performance today.
• 1:05:29
  But everything he's done with people is multiple Australian
• 1:05:34
  records. Mark, he coaches Mark English.
• 1:05:36
  Everything he'd done last year he seemed to break Irish record
• 1:05:39
  week in, week out. He actually he took a call off
• 1:05:43
  Mark English whilst they were doing the session and he's like
• 1:05:48
  Marks Mark stuck up a mountain and snowed in and they were like
• 1:05:52
  laughing at how they were all in the like 30° He's.
• 1:05:57
  Sounds familiar? Anyway, so yeah, the actual meet
• 1:06:07
  itself, the first race on the cards was the 5000 meters which
• 1:06:14
  we saw on the preview last week was filled with lads from WA,
• 1:06:20
  which I don't know what to make of that.
• 1:06:21
  In itself it's good because homegrown lads get a chance, but
• 1:06:25
  it's also a shame because it's not drawing people from Victoria
• 1:06:29
  and NSW for whatever reason. And then to compound that, the
• 1:06:36
  the best male middle distance runner in in Perth, Matt
• 1:06:40
  Ramsdon, didn't start, which was a shame.
• 1:06:45
  So the race was born in the end by Max Shervington, who was
• 1:06:48
  originally down as a pacemaker. He's done the R Jake Smith
• 1:06:52
  finished the job off and run 1425.
• 1:06:57
  He was pulling his teammates Matt Smith along for most of the
• 1:07:00
  race and you could actually see because it was so hot.
• 1:07:03
  To be fair, this race was like 430, so like prime heat and I
• 1:07:09
  was stood with Ramsden whilst this race was going on and
• 1:07:12
  Ramsden's like yeah, share those going to pace Smithy.
• 1:07:16
  They're going to try and get Smithy like a fast time.
• 1:07:19
  And then it was pretty evident that they were off the pace.
• 1:07:21
  They were going for quite early and then say mid race or 2/3
• 1:07:28
  into the race. Share those like doing plenty of
• 1:07:30
  shoulder checks, but not to see if Smithy's making a move on
• 1:07:33
  him, more so to make sure that he's still there and he's not
• 1:07:36
  leaving his teammate isolated. Because it did look like it was
• 1:07:40
  getting tough. But he was a good team player.
• 1:07:42
  He stayed with him, helped him finish off and then obviously
• 1:07:45
  last lap share though, just put the banners on, made sure he got
• 1:07:48
  the win. Again, was there prize money for
• 1:07:51
  that, you know? I think there's a little bit,
• 1:07:54
  maybe there's $1000 or something.
• 1:07:57
  Take out, I think the winner of the RMF, OK, I think it was like
• 1:08:00
  200 lbs or something like that. Not much at all.
• 1:08:03
  That's crazy for how like stuff that races.
• 1:08:08
  And all the sponsors and all, yeah, just like you've got a
• 1:08:11
  little book, like a like a program unlike it, all the names
• 1:08:16
  of all the people running. But like every second page was
• 1:08:19
  filled with sponsors. So yeah, strange.
• 1:08:24
  Northern Ireland athletics minted.
• 1:08:27
  I don't even know if it is or not Alex.
• 1:08:29
  I think it's like just its own event.
• 1:08:32
  The affiliated bit your car athletics probably why sucking
• 1:08:36
  on the profits out for admin. Probably the fellow lives on
• 1:08:40
  like the terraced house on like #49800 meters into the course.
• 1:08:46
  And Owen, you, you could have. I know the heat does massive
• 1:08:50
  things but could have been competitive in this race in
• 1:08:54
  another life. In another life, yeah, you never
• 1:08:58
  know, I was going to have a shop on a plane only for the jet lag.
• 1:09:04
  Which like Speaking of the heat and the impacts of it, I was
• 1:09:06
  actually having a debate with a fellow in work today because he
• 1:09:09
  went like his kids do little athletics and stuff.
• 1:09:13
  So I don't know if they were participating earlier on.
• 1:09:18
  But anyway, I was speaking to him and I was like, Oh yeah.
• 1:09:20
  Well, like the, the 5K was a bit of a shame.
• 1:09:22
  Wasn't it Like small field and stuff and they weren't able to
• 1:09:26
  run fast because of the heat? Like perhaps they could have put
• 1:09:29
  the 5K on towards the end of the night to give them a bit of a
• 1:09:32
  better chance And he's like Nah mate, no athlete you should be
• 1:09:36
  able to run in that. Turn off the field full time
• 1:09:40
  professional athletes. Yeah, so I tried to debate with
• 1:09:45
  him for a bit, but then we just parked it because he wasn't
• 1:09:48
  budging. Yeah, they're quite getting paid
• 1:09:50
  half a mil like the AFL players that were playing at 4:40.
• 1:09:56
  The arguably the headline events, the men's 800 meters
• 1:09:59
  where Fast 8 track club filled six of the 9 starting spots here
• 1:10:04
  was won by people 14389 in a meet record welding door
• 1:10:09
  qualifier teammate in what appears to be like the junior
• 1:10:15
  pass handing of the guard Bob Abdulan 144.27 PB Welding door
• 1:10:22
  qualifier as well. So that this guy, he ran 146 I
• 1:10:27
  think might have been last week. Even so, he's taken 2 seconds
• 1:10:31
  off his PB two weeks in a row and like over the 800 meters
• 1:10:35
  that is massive again. He must have been, I did say,
• 1:10:40
  and I mean, not that we need to shout out fly carb any more than
• 1:10:44
  what we already have, but did you see J Rs?
• 1:10:47
  I think his Instagram page, Justin Ronaldi's Instagram page,
• 1:10:51
  I think is a good one. And did you see there was some
• 1:10:53
  sort of collab post before I come on there?
• 1:10:56
  So the boys are all taken their their car by car mixers, which
• 1:11:01
  was cool. So maybe that's been the the
• 1:11:05
  latest Fortnite's edition and just making the difference.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah, they've got the connections, haven't they?
• 1:11:11
  They're right onto it. Anchors, Yeah, yeah, I mean, as
• 1:11:15
  we spoke about the Morton products not able to get here.
• 1:11:18
  So we've been a bit shut off to it as we are shut off to a lot
• 1:11:21
  of things. So cool that it's available.
• 1:11:26
  Tan and Croker and the British guy was 3rd 144.53 world indoor
• 1:11:31
  qualifier as well. Luke Boys.
• 1:11:34
  He's coached by Benny Saints isn't he?
• 1:11:36
  Was 4th 145.16 another world indoor qualifier and then there
• 1:11:42
  was 3 fast 8 track guys in a row in 5th, 6th, 7th the Trinidad
• 1:11:47
  fella Nathan Cumberbatch and then 2 Japanese boys Makuto
• 1:11:50
  Kinko and Junior Matsumuto. So yeah, very successful out in
• 1:11:57
  for Rinaldi and his squad. What's that?
• 1:12:01
  Six of the top 7 and all 146 mid or quicker?
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, they're pretty average afternoon in Perth.
• 1:12:11
  Yeah, to be fair was there was some of the sprints were read
• 1:12:14
  and maybe like 75% of them would get read illegally and then so
• 1:12:20
  you know how the headwind would have been on that backstreet if
• 1:12:23
  the home straight was tailwind? Exactly.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, it's not protected that back straight, not well
• 1:12:28
  protected anyway. So you're feeling that on the
• 1:12:30
  way around both times. And people basically went gun to
• 1:12:34
  tape, didn't he? He did all the work for the
• 1:12:35
  guys, towed them through, was too good, looked too good, but
• 1:12:39
  at the same time is the one pulling them to fast times.
• 1:12:42
  And he shut it down. It was only 20 meters or so to
• 1:12:46
  go, but there's another 10th 2/10 just through stopping
• 1:12:50
  basically, which Speaking of headwinds into the back
• 1:12:55
  straight, Abbey Caldwell won the women's 1500 meters in four O
• 1:12:58
  2.82 from Naomi Tanaka, the Japanese lady.
• 1:13:03
  She's a bit of a veteran. I think they said she's like 11
• 1:13:07
  time Nationals champion or something and she's the one who
• 1:13:10
  you've seen maybe in like 10 KS and five KS.
• 1:13:15
  We say she's a veteran, but I think she's only Owen's age.
• 1:13:20
  Yeah, 99 She can't have won eleven national titles.
• 1:13:23
  She's younger than me. She's younger than me, yeah.
• 1:13:27
  Or maybe she just sweeps. Jeannie Mac.
• 1:13:31
  I think Keeley's only 23 as well.
• 1:13:36
  Which is are you? Are you still on British
• 1:13:38
  Indoors? Are you?
• 1:13:40
  No, we've lost him. It's a year in.
• 1:13:44
  We've it's been good. It's all got to him.
• 1:13:48
  He's got this head wobble and now what are we Sir?
• 1:13:53
  Sarah Owen is that Absolutely. No, yeah.
• 1:14:02
  So Caldwell, she at the bell, I think she was already on the
• 1:14:06
  front bath. The bell she made like a
• 1:14:08
  decisive move. And you could see she'd changed
• 1:14:10
  gear. And I was watching her up that
• 1:14:12
  back straight thinking, oh, I know how tough that is for you
• 1:14:14
  right now. Because you could see Tanaka was
• 1:14:16
  like just trying to tuck in behind her and getting a bit of
• 1:14:19
  protection. It's Caldwell.
• 1:14:21
  She's quite tall as well for a girl.
• 1:14:23
  But then yeah, the last 100 again, Caldwell changed gear and
• 1:14:29
  she just pulled 10 meters into her like straight away.
• 1:14:33
  So great run. Fast time as well.
• 1:14:35
  That's what you you haven't flashbacks to Reese put in the
• 1:14:38
  sword to you this time last year, putting you to the sword.
• 1:14:43
  Yeah, memories of headwinds and stuff being shared or not being
• 1:14:47
  shared. I'm only salty until I got sub
• 1:14:52
  15. I'll forget about it then.
• 1:14:54
  You'll let it go then? I did notice you.
• 1:14:56
  How did you feel shouting at your mates that both went under
• 1:14:59
  15? It's it's a touchy subject,
• 1:15:05
  really best off just reading out the 13 minute ones and leaving
• 1:15:09
  it there. Thought I left it alone, but
• 1:15:12
  while we're here I thought might as well drive back over it.
• 1:15:17
  Barcelona half I know and to be fair, before we move on from
• 1:15:21
  Perth, there was the crowd. I wasn't sure like how many
• 1:15:24
  people they were going to get down given state of Origin was
• 1:15:27
  on and you know where it's located there.
• 1:15:29
  There's like basketball and swimming events on as well, but
• 1:15:33
  no official numbers. It was it was pretty full to be
• 1:15:36
  fair, like the stands stand looked full.
• 1:15:40
  But you know, last year at nationals when we were like kind
• 1:15:42
  of stood around the grass and it was packed, that wasn't.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, hard to expect that level of busy, but that's still good
• 1:15:49
  that you've got a good turn out for it, right?
• 1:15:51
  And it's pretty hot afternoon. Hard to drag the family down
• 1:15:53
  when it's 30. You know it's what, 3435° during
• 1:15:58
  the day? Yeah, I mean, we've got some
• 1:16:01
  work to do. Given that the the pole vaulters
• 1:16:04
  were clearly the main event, we need to get behind the runners a
• 1:16:07
  bit more than we. I feel like it's a lot easier
• 1:16:11
  when you've got like the world champion coming back from injury
• 1:16:15
  in our first event in like a year and a half.
• 1:16:18
  It's a lot easier to sort of get a crowd.
• 1:16:20
  Homegrown as well. Yeah, yeah, I mean, the last big
• 1:16:25
  on the sprints as well. The home crowd, the local crowd.
• 1:16:31
  Knowledgeable. Anyway, Barcelona half.
• 1:16:34
  Owen, do you want to read about this?
• 1:16:37
  We were kind of following it yesterday, weren't we?
• 1:16:40
  Yeah, and Barcelona, half and second.
• 1:16:46
  I've got so many tabs open because I'm working as well.
• 1:16:49
  Sorry, Dean, Were you following it or shall I?
• 1:16:54
  I I read. I've got here, I've got actually
• 1:16:58
  double trouble here. I don't think like you look
• 1:17:01
  forward to watching like Seville Barcelona, but when you actually
• 1:17:05
  get up and like watch them, they're shit because you're
• 1:17:07
  you're just watching this like single Canyon and well, Seville
• 1:17:11
  was probably an anomaly now because it was actually close,
• 1:17:13
  but bars on 1/2. You're lately Justin just
• 1:17:15
  looking at Gabourey on his own for the whole thing race, just
• 1:17:19
  his stride like running for like an hour and it's the.
• 1:17:23
  Race, yeah, it's not that exciting.
• 1:17:26
  That being said, though, like the 10 Ki didn't, I didn't mind,
• 1:17:29
  you know, the Valencia 10 with Armgren going for it.
• 1:17:34
  I think the the difficult part is like when someone's just
• 1:17:36
  running solo. Armgren still had someone right
• 1:17:39
  to race and then you and then you knew the build up and you're
• 1:17:42
  targeting something. Whereas I don't know Gebriwe
• 1:17:46
  just going solo. It doesn't if there's two or
• 1:17:48
  three people at least making it a race for and there was
• 1:17:50
  something meaningful. But like, yeah, those races
• 1:17:54
  aren't. I'd rather just follow the live
• 1:17:57
  tracker for people we have spoken about.
• 1:18:00
  Well, and that's the alternative isn't it?
• 1:18:02
  Like you, you put the stream on like Owen says and it's a bit
• 1:18:05
  anti climactic because you just sat there on your phone like
• 1:18:08
  stressing flicking between different people's tracker
• 1:18:10
  trying to work out what the forecasted time is.
• 1:18:14
  But this is where I think the Valencia Marathon do it so well.
• 1:18:18
  So they they make it known about how many national records get
• 1:18:23
  broken in that race. And then they're constantly
• 1:18:25
  cutting to the commentators are constantly going through like
• 1:18:31
  where's Izzy and Jess at as far as the Aussie women are going
• 1:18:34
  and their national record, like where's the local people are
• 1:18:37
  going? Like they constantly jump
• 1:18:40
  around. And at least that makes it a
• 1:18:41
  much more interesting stream. Whereas if the stream just
• 1:18:44
  focuses on one leader that's a minute up the road, like, who
• 1:18:46
  cares? Yeah, and ultimately the
• 1:18:50
  commentators only have a certain limits of like material that
• 1:18:55
  they've prepared for each person.
• 1:18:56
  So if they're forced to try and speak about one person for an
• 1:18:59
  hour straight, it can get pretty soft.
• 1:19:02
  Exactly where is the events that sort of build these narratives
• 1:19:05
  for lots of people? Like did it cut at all to the
• 1:19:08
  fact that Jack Rayner was running the time he was running
• 1:19:11
  or like there's a few British lads going for around that one
• 1:19:14
  hour mark? Like where's the the insights on
• 1:19:16
  that? Yeah, no.
• 1:19:19
  So anyway, Gabrielle won. He ran PB, maybe PB 5741.
• 1:19:28
  Is that his pay? Is that his PB?
• 1:19:30
  Or because he ran 50 out of 5, right?
• 1:19:33
  Yeah, so his, his finishing time, how fast it was wasn't
• 1:19:37
  even a PB. Oh, I get you.
• 1:19:39
  Which still about what, 30 something seconds off the world
• 1:19:43
  record? Because it's gone back to 57 and
• 1:19:45
  30, hasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  So Gabriel, he ran 5805, but the PB is 5741.
• 1:19:54
  A second was Dominic Lobarlu. He does him moving up a distance
• 1:19:58
  normally he's like a 5K10K guy. He ran 5926.
• 1:20:03
  And then third was Emmanuel rode off from France.
• 1:20:07
  He ran 5937. Not with mention which for all
• 1:20:12
  you all he did out there, Jack Reiner, he ran 5953.
• 1:20:16
  Which is a new Aussie record. Great Britain sacked Muhammad,
• 1:20:21
  he ran a 6046 as well. I don't know what mentions Joe
• 1:20:27
  Wigfield in his spanking unit here around 6119, following on
• 1:20:32
  from his like 2738 national record in Valencia.
• 1:20:36
  He wanted a little bit more, but again, you can sort of complain
• 1:20:39
  with a 61 low. Andy Booth Church ran a 6145 for
• 1:20:45
  his PB, so just a little bit behind him.
• 1:20:48
  Friend of show Jake Smith. He he ran 6147 and he came out
• 1:20:55
  with a big statement after that. He was a 61 minute runner again
• 1:20:58
  as his first time breaking 62 since Emma's battle with Red
• 1:21:03
  Ass. So yeah, super happy for Jake
• 1:21:08
  and all theater. Did you see Fast Course?
• 1:21:11
  Did you see Jake comment the night before or day before that
• 1:21:15
  he was wanting to do that? Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah. He posted about it.
• 1:21:20
  Which so it's cool to like put, put a goal out there that you,
• 1:21:27
  you know, you ought to be a bit brave and obviously a sensible
• 1:21:30
  one because he went out and did it, which is cool.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, this is all on. His build up to London.
• 1:21:36
  This is build up to London. He I message him off the account
• 1:21:41
  saying like Congrats and whatever and he said I've like
• 1:21:46
  it. I was running with Wakefield and
• 1:21:49
  Butchie through the 10K split like we're all in the pack.
• 1:21:54
  And he said about Joe, like, I've never seen someone look
• 1:21:57
  like the jogging sub 29 minutes through 10 Ki think like track
• 1:22:03
  runners can just look like that, can't they?
• 1:22:05
  When they're doing like their threshold stuff, it just looks
• 1:22:08
  so so easy for them. It's like running with the Toms,
• 1:22:12
  like they say, doing threshold with them and then just then
• 1:22:16
  we're like, they're just like loping around like gazelles.
• 1:22:22
  Yeah, it's not fair. And then when you've got the
• 1:22:24
  threshold to match the economy, it's like.
• 1:22:28
  Dangerous. Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  On the women's side it was won by Lois Chumong from Kenya.
• 1:22:36
  She ran a 64 O one and second was when he Claddy from the USA.
• 1:22:42
  In her Spanking Unite kit she was Under Armour athlete, now
• 1:22:45
  she's Nike. She ran a 66 O 4 which lowered
• 1:22:49
  her American record by 5 seconds.
• 1:22:54
  Third was Deanna, a burger from Ethiopia.
• 1:22:58
  She ran 6628 and although not even mentioned, smart Harrison
• 1:23:03
  around 69 flat and I just wondered George around 70 O 7
• 1:23:09
  and she's around 67 minutes before, so she's a little bit
• 1:23:12
  off it, but she run in London as well probably.
• 1:23:15
  She's probably building up for that.
• 1:23:17
  I know Jess is definitely in the field.
• 1:23:19
  I'm not sure if Sam is potentially.
• 1:23:23
  But yeah, that's a bucket list race for me as well.
• 1:23:25
  Personal half It looks savage. Yeah, the just from the map on
• 1:23:30
  Strava as well, it seems like you just kind of on, you only do
• 1:23:34
  a couple of turns considering you, you run 201K, you're not
• 1:23:38
  weaving in and out and turn left and right all the time.
• 1:23:42
  And Barcelona is just a stunning city in itself.
• 1:23:44
  So to have like a a weekend break or four or five days there
• 1:23:49
  would be bloody lovely. What do you make of I guess
• 1:23:55
  we've skimmed over Jack's national record really second,
• 1:23:59
  second ever Australian under 60 minutes, second after Brett
• 1:24:03
  Robinson and knocking him off his perch.
• 1:24:07
  So that's Brett now had Andy take his marathon record and
• 1:24:10
  Jack take his half record. So he did repost Jack's like
• 1:24:15
  time and stuff yesterday. And I know they're they're very
• 1:24:17
  good mates. So I'm sure he is happy for him,
• 1:24:19
  but in all honesty if that was me, mate or not, I would
• 1:24:26
  struggle to be happy for him if he'd taken my record.
• 1:24:31
  Yeah, I was. That was my first reflection.
• 1:24:34
  But then at the same time, I suppose with records, you know,
• 1:24:36
  they're always going to evolve. Don't know.
• 1:24:39
  So probably never get too attached to a record is probably
• 1:24:43
  a good way to be because they're always going to get quicker.
• 1:24:47
  But I think I wonder if a lot of people are going to comment now
• 1:24:50
  that he's run that time start to hypothesize that he could break
• 1:24:54
  the Australian record for the marathon, right?
• 1:24:57
  So I feel like see what you guys think.
• 1:25:00
  But it feels like he gets fit very he gets very fit and and
• 1:25:05
  he's running some great performances that are putting
• 1:25:08
  him on the cusp of world level running.
• 1:25:10
  And then he struggles to stay healthy.
• 1:25:12
  So I think the hope is that you see 12 more months of good
• 1:25:16
  performances. Yeah, it does seem to do good
• 1:25:21
  things when you can have just like two or three months of
• 1:25:24
  training, isn't it? But that it's that like 6 to 12
• 1:25:27
  months he struggles to maintain. Yeah, I think it was like 2018,
• 1:25:34
  a lot of that MTC group went to Europe and he didn't, he stayed
• 1:25:39
  home and he ran all of the local races here.
• 1:25:43
  So like, and he went on like a a streak of winning everything.
• 1:25:48
  Like he won like the Gold Coast half, beating a few Japanese in
• 1:25:51
  a Sprint finish. Like won this.
• 1:25:53
  I think the Sunshine Coast half won a heap of all like all the
• 1:25:56
  domestic races just cleaned up. And then it culminated in the
• 1:26:01
  Cardiff Half Marathon, which was the, it might have been the
• 1:26:04
  inaugural and I don't know if it happened again, but Commonwealth
• 1:26:07
  Games half marathon champs. And it was, it was him and like
• 1:26:10
  3 Ugandans, I think all like vying for the win.
• 1:26:15
  And he ran like 60 flat or maybe 61 flat there like 60, sorry, in
• 1:26:21
  the 60 minutes or just, or maybe 61 dead.
• 1:26:23
  And he won it. And that was the end of the like
• 1:26:26
  a huge season. And it was sort of the perfect
• 1:26:29
  build up, winning all these local races but building fitness
• 1:26:31
  the whole time and then sort of going to an international race
• 1:26:34
  and doing very well. So yeah, that was I, I feel like
• 1:26:38
  the the best streak of consistent running I can recall
• 1:26:42
  him having. So hopefully he gets something
• 1:26:43
  like that going again in 2026. Yeah, and you're right, like the
• 1:26:49
  the Australian male marathon landscape, it is an interesting
• 1:26:53
  dynamic at the minute with kind of like Brett hasn't had a good
• 1:26:58
  race for a little while and then Andy's had the recent injury.
• 1:27:02
  Jack up until now was well, he still hasn't really put together
• 1:27:06
  a marathon that he's based on this capable of.
• 1:27:10
  And then the other guys are kind of just on the periphery like
• 1:27:13
  again with have to he hasn't delivered what he looks to be
• 1:27:16
  capable of. So there's there is really
• 1:27:18
  opportunity there for someone to cone like grab an LA spot by the
• 1:27:24
  scruff of the neck, like someone has a big breakthrough in the
• 1:27:26
  next couple of years, which yeah, will be interesting to see
• 1:27:30
  what happens. Did you say there when he
• 1:27:33
  crossed the line? And he's very excited.
• 1:27:35
  Like, I love seeing those things because yes, you know, you don't
• 1:27:40
  often know those feelings when you cross the line.
• 1:27:43
  You have a good race. Like they don't always come
• 1:27:45
  round. So it's cool to see.
• 1:27:48
  Yeah. You have the freshest sensation
• 1:27:54
  of that, but how good is the feeling?
• 1:27:55
  You know, like you would remember it from last week,
• 1:27:58
  right? It's a sick feeling when you,
• 1:28:00
  you have in your mind what you were as a runner and then you
• 1:28:03
  you get to redefine that in, in that moment.
• 1:28:07
  It's it's a cool feeling. Yeah, It's just like the sense
• 1:28:10
  of like, you can't believe that, Like, you're like, because you
• 1:28:13
  put so much work and effort into this.
• 1:28:15
  Like especially Jack, like this is his job.
• 1:28:17
  Like, this is his life. He's devoted how many years to
• 1:28:20
  this? And then for it to, like, click
• 1:28:23
  and pay off. Yeah.
• 1:28:25
  It's an incredible feeling. And he's got a bit of stick to
• 1:28:30
  be fair in the past, like with race selection, choosing to go
• 1:28:34
  and run Melbourne and get the cash and stuff it.
• 1:28:38
  And he does seem like a good lad.
• 1:28:39
  So yeah, you are. Well, I am happy for him to be
• 1:28:42
  fair, but you know yourself like in that last K or the last like
• 1:28:49
  1020% of a race when you know, if you've got a target and you
• 1:28:53
  know you're like close to it but you're not convinced you're in
• 1:28:56
  or out, maybe you might try and do math at one point and you can
• 1:29:01
  entertain that sum for three seconds.
• 1:29:04
  And if you can't do it straight away, you're like, oh fuck it.
• 1:29:06
  Oh, let's just run and see. So because it was so close, 4
• 1:29:10
  seconds, I bet you that's what was going on in his mind.
• 1:29:13
  Like in that going into the last K he was like shit, what do I
• 1:29:16
  need to run this last K in? So yeah, what about the elation?
• 1:29:20
  Do you reckon? Doesn't he reckon?
• 1:29:22
  He knew he was on. And stuff now I reckon he felt
• 1:29:25
  his reckon he's just running. He's with the spirits.
• 1:29:30
  Kenny is just, yeah, having a good time.
• 1:29:32
  In his flow he's a smooth mover though, isn't he as well?
• 1:29:39
  Yeah, that is it. Jimmy Whelan, That footage that
• 1:29:42
  he was cutting up look very, very cool.
• 1:29:45
  Yeah, I wonder if it'll be sending Jack a nice invoice
• 1:29:48
  there, because Jack Jack's got that forever.
• 1:29:50
  Like all the sick footage of him breaking the record.
• 1:29:54
  I'm sure Nike will look after him as well with that record.
• 1:30:00
  Seville Marathon moving on. This was another one in the
• 1:30:03
  Spanish country. They know how to put on a bloody
• 1:30:06
  good race, don't they? There just, it seems like
• 1:30:09
  through the the European winter there's just 5K10K half marathon
• 1:30:14
  every single week somewhere in Spain and the times are always
• 1:30:17
  rapid. So the women's race was born for
• 1:30:21
  the first time in nine years by a non African, by the Finnish
• 1:30:26
  lady Elisa Vino in 22039. Second was a Kenyan Beatrice
• 1:30:32
  Chesarek 22156 that Ethiopian Mulat Taquili in 222 O 3.
• 1:30:40
  So I was looking at this Finnish woman because I was like that's
• 1:30:43
  random. A Finnish woman running 220 and
• 1:30:48
  she's ran since October last year, September last year when
• 1:30:52
  the World Championships was on. She's ran 4 marathons, so Tokyo
• 1:30:57
  being the 1st, she finished fifth round 2/28.
• 1:31:01
  She then run the finish marathon championships in October just
• 1:31:05
  three or so weeks later around 223 won it.
• 1:31:08
  She then went to Valencia in December and 2:20 again and then
• 1:31:13
  is came here to Seville round 220 again, slightly lowered
• 1:31:17
  their PB for a new national record.
• 1:31:19
  Which shit we talk about Backing up like within 8 weeks is
• 1:31:23
  potentially a bit risky. She's she ran four in five
• 1:31:26
  months. Whatever's going on, it's
• 1:31:29
  working right. Yeah, I wonder if she's on like
• 1:31:33
  the Nomeo train being from them. No other countries.
• 1:31:38
  You can take in the doses in the right times to recover.
• 1:31:44
  The men's race was pretty dramatic.
• 1:31:47
  It was born in the end by Shura Katata of Ethiopia.
• 1:31:50
  Two O 359 and second was as raw Heerden in two O 359 also.
• 1:31:58
  So a dead heat. You must have seen on Instagram
• 1:32:01
  the kind the reel of them both crossing the line together and
• 1:32:06
  one of them actually trips the other one up as they go through
• 1:32:09
  the line. It went to the judges like I
• 1:32:14
  don't know if it was a couple hours or so after the race.
• 1:32:17
  They were struggling to like kind of decide who'd physically
• 1:32:20
  won the race. So it was another one of those
• 1:32:22
  World Championship style finishes.
• 1:32:25
  And then for the men further down, Ellis Cross from Team
• 1:32:28
  Macau was making his debut. And I think it was the three of
• 1:32:33
  us last week. We're having a debate over under
• 1:32:34
  210. Will he do it?
• 1:32:36
  Will he not do it? He almost said I'll go right
• 1:32:39
  down the middle. Boys 2/10/09 for his debut
• 1:32:42
  marathon, which I think it's clear he his main goal was to
• 1:32:46
  break 210. But pretty phenomenal debut.
• 1:32:51
  Yeah, you can't really complain with that for a debut.
• 1:32:52
  I think he went through halfway in 64 mid, so we slowed down a
• 1:32:56
  little bit in the second-half, but still like a 210 debut.
• 1:33:01
  If that's where you're starting from, you can't really complain.
• 1:33:06
  And then to your fellas actually finished ahead of him in the
• 1:33:08
  packing order, did you see that? Yeah, I did.
• 1:33:11
  Paul O'Donnell got the Euro qualifying standard for the
• 1:33:15
  marathon, which is which is pretty.
• 1:33:17
  Cool, I am sorry. I Vanyo that that Vanyo or Vanyo
• 1:33:26
  reminds me, you know, those like older videos.
• 1:33:30
  There's like videos of like older Olympic Games.
• 1:33:33
  I remember his name from there. And I'm just going is it Marty
• 1:33:38
  Vanyo? And apparently he was recognized
• 1:33:42
  as one of the last great runners of the V line, the finishing V
• 1:33:46
  line to like the likes of Lassie, Veron and others.
• 1:33:50
  And I think Vanyo, I remember him because I think he won gold,
• 1:33:54
  but he's reads like he's since been stripped of it because he
• 1:33:57
  tests positive for PEDs on a couple of occasions.
• 1:34:00
  So he's disqualified from the 1984 Olympics.
• 1:34:02
  But that's where that that name that I remember that name
• 1:34:06
  ringing a bell with athletics. But anyway, I'm not trying to
• 1:34:09
  draw any connection. She's not off strength.
• 1:34:12
  Yeah, well, I don't know, but but certainly like I just, you
• 1:34:17
  know, like the likes of Lassie, Veron and and Vinyard, they were
• 1:34:20
  like name synonymous with podiums and medals at major
• 1:34:24
  championships in the 50s, sixties, 70s and 80s.
• 1:34:27
  So maybe it's making the Fins are making a resurgence.
• 1:34:33
  And Sarah Aston also made her debut from Team Macau in this
• 1:34:37
  race, I think. Did she run 235?
• 1:34:42
  Yeah. Yeah, I think she was hoping for
• 1:34:45
  more, but again, like a solid debut.
• 1:34:47
  Yes, solid enough. Like, ideally she'd want to be
• 1:34:51
  taken like, I think Philly Bowden's 225.
• 1:34:53
  So she got like 10 minutes to make up.
• 1:34:56
  Yeah, first. Isn't that the same time as what
• 1:35:00
  the the James Man ran in Austin? True it, true it.
• 1:35:06
  Something like that my. God, I came up guys.
• 1:35:09
  I came across his his on YouTube.
• 1:35:12
  Did you see a pull up thing? YouTube dot.
• 1:35:17
  That's impressive. Yeah, fuck.
• 1:35:20
  Yeah, like what the hell. Yeah.
• 1:35:23
  But he seems like he's just a machine, like he just started to
• 1:35:25
  Karen jeans like this isn't one of his YouTube videos and like
• 1:35:28
  normal clothes and just like such OK.
• 1:35:31
  I'm just, does he talk about what he does for Chafe?
• 1:35:35
  I guess they're that tight that maybe it's like maybe he's all
• 1:35:38
  right. Surely he's at the point now
• 1:35:42
  where like he's he's got the kind of like the little meme
• 1:35:45
  element from it and now he actually wants to put a pair of
• 1:35:47
  splitties or half tights on and try and run fast.
• 1:35:50
  But he's he's true to his brand, to he's truest to it, to be
• 1:35:53
  fair. Oh yeah, here we go.
• 1:35:56
  What? What is his name?
• 1:35:57
  True it? True it?
• 1:35:59
  True it. True.
• 1:36:00
  Haynes or something, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 1:36:03
  Gee whiz. Over half a million followers.
• 1:36:07
  Like this is his job like 100% he's just living off YouTube.
• 1:36:11
  Yeah, but yeah, 236. So there you go.
• 1:36:15
  I think he was, he was going on about trying to get close to 220
• 1:36:18
  or something, wasn't he? Or.
• 1:36:19
  Yeah, the I think he's going for the I think sub 16.
• 1:36:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:25
  Like good luck. Oh, for.
• 1:36:29
  Fox will be fired up about that this week, won't he?
• 1:36:31
  That's. Yeah, I that's why when I saw
• 1:36:34
  236, I thought, Oh yeah, didn't go go to the book.
• 1:36:40
  And we then had another myth in the USA.
• 1:36:43
  Shit sound invites. We can't skip it because what
• 1:36:49
  was going on? Can I do?
• 1:36:53
  Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
• 1:36:59
  Sound invoice in the US race. Let's pick out the main results.
• 1:37:03
  Scott BC again of Team Makawi ran a 5K and he ran 13/19.
• 1:37:09
  He only finished fifth in the race, so Andrew Hunter of the US
• 1:37:13
  ran 1310 to win that race. Drew Hunter.
• 1:37:17
  Oh yeah, they yeah. He gets you every time, doesn't
• 1:37:20
  he? If I read the result, I'd do you
• 1:37:23
  dirty here. But yeah, he it was good to see
• 1:37:26
  him win. And that Abdi new in second, a
• 1:37:29
  second behind like he was he's he's one of the guys that's kept
• 1:37:33
  Drew Hunter out of one of those world champs or Olympic teams in
• 1:37:36
  the past. So nice to see him get on top in
• 1:37:38
  some of these races because you know how he's peppering the
• 1:37:41
  mark. And I guess in terms of YouTube
• 1:37:44
  Diaries, he was part of Drew Hunter.
• 1:37:46
  It was he and his mum coached them for a minute.
• 1:37:49
  There was, what was that Adidas project that maybe it's been?
• 1:37:53
  Yeah, Tim, he was part of Tim and Elite, wasn't he?
• 1:37:56
  And he's so, and he was one of those guys, a bit like
• 1:38:00
  Kupertier, pretty unlucky to be just outside of getting on to
• 1:38:05
  these world teams in world and Olympic teams.
• 1:38:09
  So nice to see him getting on the right side of the Ledger as
• 1:38:12
  far as winning a race. That was cool.
• 1:38:15
  How can I still read Andrew after Kubeteer?
• 1:38:17
  Like physically corrected me. Should never figure that.
• 1:38:25
  Worth noting that David Malarkey of GB was also in there and 4th
• 1:38:29
  finished ahead of Scott BC and it's actually got the he's
• 1:38:31
  unattached so I don't think that'll be for too much longer.
• 1:38:35
  Running 30 and AC in and that failed women's 3K.
• 1:38:40
  Nikki Hiltz, backing up after the victory, asked the one to
• 1:38:44
  make a mile in 834 from Sinclair Johnson 835.
• 1:38:51
  Notably, do you say who's 5th? IR 1/3 so.
• 1:39:00
  For eight. Oh yeah, Shelby Houlihan was
• 1:39:01
  fifth. So interesting.
• 1:39:03
  Maybe a little bit starting their season a bit further back,
• 1:39:07
  right? Like I suspect we'll we'll be
• 1:39:11
  fit soon. Unattached.
• 1:39:13
  Was she unattached last year, Last year when she came back or?
• 1:39:17
  Yeah, she hasn't she. Probably has been, yeah, you
• 1:39:20
  associate her with Nike and but yeah, there you go.
• 1:39:24
  It's mad that she she can remain unattached, like as in no brands
• 1:39:28
  willing to support her for publicity reasons, but she still
• 1:39:32
  gets a star in these fields. Pretty stacked field too, like
• 1:39:35
  Caitlin Tui, who was like one of the top talents coming out of
• 1:39:41
  what the NCAA system is it. And then Dorcas away, who we've
• 1:39:46
  been calling reading out her results recently, was 8th.
• 1:39:52
  So yeah, Nikki Hilts and Sinclair Johnson beat home a
• 1:39:57
  pretty stacked field. Nikki's on one.
• 1:40:02
  I wonder if surely she's preparing for a while indoors
• 1:40:05
  because she could be a serious medal shot.
• 1:40:09
  They could be a serious medal shot.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah, yeah, you have to think so.
• 1:40:16
  The men's version of the Three K was worn by Nico Young and 33.32
• 1:40:23
  closely followed them home. 733 also, but on the photo.
• 1:40:28
  I've seen a photo of Nico Young breaking the tape and it doesn't
• 1:40:30
  look like the goose is all that close to him.
• 1:40:34
  He's in strand 3rd 735.29 predominantly 1500 meter guy.
• 1:40:39
  Maybe Darren Mcelhenney of Owens country there back in 5th 736.
• 1:40:46
  Absolutely rapid. Jackson Sharp Aussie.
• 1:40:51
  Yes, there or not. He's from those one zoo cuz he's
• 1:40:53
  over there in the US. His name pops up every now and
• 1:40:56
  then through like these type of results, but he never kind of
• 1:40:59
  enters the domestic conversation, does he?
• 1:41:02
  And Geordie Beamish was in 7th, which did you hear him talk on
• 1:41:06
  the Coffee Cup podcast? His reflection on the two mile
• 1:41:10
  that he ran. He's human, wasn't he?
• 1:41:13
  Yeah, well, he's just very is quite critical of his
• 1:41:16
  performance. I thought maybe that might lead
• 1:41:18
  a light, a bit of a fire to be a bit closer in this one, but
• 1:41:23
  yeah, not to be. I guess it kind of makes sense
• 1:41:28
  looking at Young and the Goose in one and two.
• 1:41:32
  They're both very much strength based guys aren't they?
• 1:41:35
  So they would would have known to.
• 1:41:36
  They must have stretched this together.
• 1:41:39
  You'd imagine the women's mile. Emily Mackay of New Balance
• 1:41:44
  422.43, Lauren Ryan in there in 4th 426.17 and Rachel MacArthur
• 1:41:53
  Cooper tears other half at 1/2 W half back in 6th 427.3.
• 1:42:01
  And then the men's mile, Cole Hocher ran a absurd US record of
• 1:42:06
  4345.94 and this was a head to head against the young phenom
• 1:42:14
  Sam Ruth who's been doing silly things.
• 1:42:17
  New Zealand boy 16 years old wasn't to be on this day.
• 1:42:21
  Finished 7th and 352.46. Did you see?
• 1:42:24
  Have you seen this race? No, no, I haven't.
• 1:42:28
  I haven't caught too much athletics this weekend.
• 1:42:30
  It's I've seen a video from Ruth start again.
• 1:42:33
  He's standing on like the infield of the 200 meter track
• 1:42:36
  and he's doing his his whole commentary shenanigans and like
• 1:42:40
  fair play. He's actually given legit.
• 1:42:43
  He's like Cole Hawker, Olympic champ on the front and reading
• 1:42:46
  out the credentials of everyone who's like chasing and stuff.
• 1:42:49
  But Sam Ruth gets course wired like in the first lap and the
• 1:42:56
  field is filled. So Kubsea finished second,
• 1:42:59
  Vincent Chichesi finished third and Jack Hansi of Australia was
• 1:43:05
  back in 6th. And none of them would let him
• 1:43:07
  in. You know, you can see him, He
• 1:43:10
  makes a move like right through the field, but on the outside.
• 1:43:12
  And then he's kind of trying to like budget in left and they're
• 1:43:16
  just like toe to toe. They wouldn't let him in.
• 1:43:18
  So he ran the race the absolute hardest way possible and he made
• 1:43:24
  his move. To be fair, he got up into, he
• 1:43:27
  might have got up into second if not fair that worst and he just
• 1:43:31
  went. The race went a lap too long for
• 1:43:34
  him. His last lap was just a painful
• 1:43:36
  trudge to the finish because once that lactic gotcha, you're
• 1:43:40
  done. Shot by the lactic sniper.
• 1:43:44
  Absolutely. Might need the fly cab.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah, I'm sure he'll have plenty of offers.
• 1:43:50
  He can be all right, won't he? Good to see Kube's here up in
• 1:43:54
  second. I know the guys behind on
• 1:43:57
  potentially who would be racing in like a world final but nice
• 1:44:01
  to see him get a good run. I see he alluded to it himself
• 1:44:07
  or Hock. I posted a photo of him breaking
• 1:44:09
  the tape and I mean naturally the cameras focused on Cole and
• 1:44:12
  like the background is a little bit blurred but you can see tear
• 1:44:18
  was 5-6 seconds back and he's commented saying you could have
• 1:44:23
  tagged my pixel. That's good.
• 1:44:32
  But yeah, Hawker and I don't know if you've seen his
• 1:44:35
  interview afterwards, he says like basically 345 isn't enough.
• 1:44:40
  Like I need to be looking at running 342 and the world
• 1:44:44
  records 43. Yeah, I mean that was, was is 43
• 1:44:50
  the indoor or outdoor record? I think 43 is the yeah full *.
• 1:44:55
  Yeah, like I thought 45 is perhaps what Ingebritsen
• 1:44:58
  remember, is it? No, Goose ran it last year and
• 1:45:00
  then Ingebritsen went out a couple of week or very quickly
• 1:45:05
  soon thereafter and ran faster. But it feels around this time.
• 1:45:10
  Yeah, this is a pretty phenomenal time, but Hawk is
• 1:45:14
  clearly in very good shape. Like if there was a major
• 1:45:16
  championship on right now you'd be he'd be struggling to bet
• 1:45:20
  against him wouldn't you? Anything from maybe 1500 through
• 1:45:23
  to 5K. Which in hindsight makes you
• 1:45:28
  look back at Tokyo because the 1500 was kind of dubbed as being
• 1:45:32
  wide open, wasn't it? The 5K maybe wasn't really in in
• 1:45:37
  the main part of the conversation, whereas now you
• 1:45:40
  look at it, it's like no one can get near him surely?
• 1:45:44
  Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, I still think maybe
• 1:45:48
  a really fast 5K from the gun if it's like 3 Ethiopians like
• 1:45:53
  Gabriel, he what who we just spoke about.
• 1:45:55
  If they're all running like 1240 pace and they just put it at put
• 1:46:00
  him in like such a high degree of hurt from the first lap,
• 1:46:05
  maybe he's in trouble over 5K, but if you're running like 13
• 1:46:08
  minutes that he's too quick in that last lap.
• 1:46:12
  We've made it to listen to questions.
• 1:46:14
  I don't know D&D One who read out the winners of our
• 1:46:17
  competition, of which the post had over 400 entries.
• 1:46:22
  So thanks very much to everyone who entered for the chance to
• 1:46:25
  win a singlet. I can, I certainly can.
• 1:46:31
  So the winners were Riley McFarlane was the winner of the
• 1:46:44
  was it the Bix pack rhyme? Did I get that right?
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  The 10 Bix gels plus a singlet. And is it at TM under score was
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  our second winner and Elizabeth. And then how do I say
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  Elizabeth's surname? Am I going to butcher this?
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  So I think it's an Irish, Irish name I think, right.
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  Well, you have a go. Now if you just tell me, ma
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  matter. I think it's Ma.
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  Ma. Spell Maher.
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  If it's not Elizabeth, you know who you are.
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  Yeah, but we'll get in touch. We'll we'll, we'll slide into
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  their DMS to get their their details and and mail out the the
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  bix slash easy double price packs.
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  So thanks very much for participating in that.
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  Thanks very much for your support.
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  Thanks very much for listening. Yeah.
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  And hopefully we can, we can get a few more of these singlets out
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  over the coming weeks. But yeah, we'll, we'll keep you
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  posted on that. What do you think of the gym
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  attire tonight, Ryan? Yeah, you were rocking it,
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  weren't you? I was went up a couple of sizes.
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  I went my that was my my more gym size and then I have a tight
• 1:48:05
  more snug fit one for the come roster.
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  Have you been wearing it to running?
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  Yeah. Oh, look, to be honest, I
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  haven't been wearing a top very often.
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  I think that's one of your no nose, isn't it?
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  But I feel like the weather permits it.
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  No, I'm I'm all for it in the in the blistering heath, just when
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  it's raining. And also last week when you when
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  we ran round Munga and you were like, we are we going skin?
• 1:48:36
  And you said no. You just caught me a bit off
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  guard. I wasn't prepared it.
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  Was normally you just you're covered in lycra and hot cross
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  buns so you didn't want to strip down.
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  I still had chocolate drizzle down my chest.
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  That's probably what it was. Yeah, those yoga pants were
• 1:48:58
  covered in chocolate drizzle. Was a good day, actually.
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  Which do we recap? Running lakes at all?
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  Or, or should we say, riding lakes?
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  I mean, you can whisper it if you want.
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  Not much to say other than I had a scan on Friday and the Jay and
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  the doctors said that I'm free to go about my business and that
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  my conditions are probably linked to just being a bit old,
• 1:49:23
  but that I should be fine. That was the diagnosis.
• 1:49:27
  She didn't say as much. What she said was there's been
• 1:49:31
  some mild changes but nothing to get.
• 1:49:33
  Nothing that should stop you from loading up as you have
• 1:49:38
  been. Obviously be aware of if things
• 1:49:40
  are too uncomfortable, but the adductive pain that I'm
• 1:49:43
  experiencing makes sense based on what you can see at the top
• 1:49:46
  of my doctor. But it's not anything that you
• 1:49:49
  probably can't keep on top of. Don't spark your load too
• 1:49:53
  quickly. So maybe sit around that 85% of
• 1:49:56
  full load that I have been doing for another four to six weeks
• 1:50:00
  and then hopefully after that I can get into full training.
• 1:50:06
  That's good news is, does it feel like a bit of a mental
• 1:50:11
  weight lifted? Yeah, just feels like clarity,
• 1:50:16
  like it's like, it's a degree of clarity like I feel.
• 1:50:20
  But yeah, certainly this is the most highest level of assurance
• 1:50:24
  I've got around actually doing something meaningful training
• 1:50:26
  wise. Although in full transparency,
• 1:50:30
  Raff and I were laughing saying Dean's gone in there and told
• 1:50:34
  the doctor what she needs to tell him.
• 1:50:35
  He. Literally talked there.
• 1:50:37
  He literally said the same thing to me.
• 1:50:39
  He's like, Oh yeah, but you can be persuasive, Dana.
• 1:50:41
  And I'm like Raff, she like e-mail it.
• 1:50:46
  She tells me what to tell you. You don't.
• 1:50:49
  That's not how those conversations go down.
• 1:50:53
  I can't talk underwater like him.
• 1:50:55
  I get told what I'm allowed to do and I try and follow
• 1:51:01
  instructions. Well, I appreciate the optimism,
• 1:51:04
  but that was doctor LED. So we we can expect a more
• 1:51:10
  normal week this week. I think so, yeah.
• 1:51:13
  There'll be still a drizzling of riding in there Thursday
• 1:51:17
  morning, Saturday morning rides for me.
• 1:51:20
  And then. But yes, I'm running.
• 1:51:21
  I think I'm doing a little bit of a workout tomorrow morning.
• 1:51:25
  Exciting times you got you're going to get your bridges entry
• 1:51:28
  and then and join me. I definitely am not doing that.
• 1:51:35
  No, no, I'll be, no, I'll just be getting looking forward to
• 1:51:40
  trying to get stuck into some proper training soon.
• 1:51:43
  That's what I'm excited for. But yeah, look, I did not paper
• 1:51:47
  running last week, did maybe 50 KS.
• 1:51:49
  All that because I only found out on Friday I could run.
• 1:51:52
  So I ran Friday afternoon before I rode to my parents house and I
• 1:51:55
  was great picking Saturday morning.
• 1:51:57
  So I couldn't do anything, snuck out for 30 minutes before the
• 1:51:59
  footy, did 90 minutes in terms of a long run on Sunday and then
• 1:52:04
  other than that was mainly writing.
• 1:52:06
  We're allowed to plug the the great picking because it did
• 1:52:10
  come through on the Instagram. Did it?
• 1:52:12
  Yeah. Come on.
• 1:52:14
  Is it poorly perfected? I think that could be it.
• 1:52:17
  A wine pour. Yeah, that's the one.
• 1:52:20
  So. The Menzies Vintage.
• 1:52:22
  Yeah, vintage. Their first vintage month for
• 1:52:26
  anyone interested that's still listening.
• 1:52:28
  My parents have moved into a place for the vineyard, and so
• 1:52:31
  we were out there picking grapes.
• 1:52:33
  They're wine grapes. So we're out there having a go
• 1:52:36
  on the weekend, picked 500 kilograms of grapes.
• 1:52:39
  So that was my gym for the weekend sorted.
• 1:52:43
  We've diversified there. I'm wait, to be fair.
• 1:52:46
  What don't we cover? Does that mean your old man is
• 1:52:51
  going to give us a bottle of wine for the endorsement?
• 1:52:54
  You'll yeah, you got to wait 12 months.
• 1:52:57
  It's got to age. But this time next year, if
• 1:53:00
  we're still recording, consider it done.
• 1:53:04
  Sounds good, right? We did have a few listener
• 1:53:08
  questions come through as well for the anniversary.
• 1:53:11
  I don't know if we save these for when Owen's back though,
• 1:53:14
  because we can get a bit more bit more space and opinion.
• 1:53:18
  Yeah, you won't get much from me, but.
• 1:53:23
  I just think perhaps the listeners want Owens opinion
• 1:53:26
  more than ours as well. Yeah, there's always that bias
• 1:53:30
  on a podcast of the one that's most up and about, which is
• 1:53:33
  definitely Owen so. Yeah, no, we.
• 1:53:37
  Do that, let's carry him over. Give him some shit.
• 1:53:40
  You know he's not going to listen back to her.
• 1:53:42
  Oh yeah, what? What should we say about him
• 1:53:44
  whilst he's not here? You should have run could have
• 1:53:47
  run under 14 minutes. I I've got YouTube Diaries to
• 1:53:52
  bring us home in the week I see him pop up on Instagram that
• 1:53:59
  George Mills was back on YouTube.
• 1:54:00
  He's been he's been on there in the past with I don't know if it
• 1:54:04
  was a Danish training partner. They were called the 5K guys and
• 1:54:09
  George Mills has refined this now he's gone his own.
• 1:54:11
  It looks like on potentially supporting the series given how
• 1:54:16
  heavily involved the Brandon was and placed here and there.
• 1:54:20
  But basically George Mills had a pretty big injury the back end
• 1:54:24
  of last season during Tokyo. He he'd fallen at some point.
• 1:54:28
  He fell a couple of times but won the falls.
• 1:54:30
  When he's done his wrist, he reveals that he also injured his
• 1:54:35
  Achilles. And I think he says he didn't
• 1:54:38
  run for like 3 months and he's putting together this video is
• 1:54:42
  pretty much the start of his return to run.
• 1:54:45
  So it was very relatable from my point of view.
• 1:54:48
  And yeah, he's out in Dalstrom, which is South Africa.
• 1:54:52
  And I think his first run was 5 by 4 minutes.
• 1:54:58
  And throughout the the recording of the video, he, he does his
• 1:55:01
  first like three or four runs. And like straight away when he
• 1:55:04
  gets on the treadmill, they record like his first run and
• 1:55:07
  he's like, yeah, the run is high is back.
• 1:55:09
  Like he's buzzing. And and you can just relate to
• 1:55:12
  that feeling so much when you haven't run and you get that
• 1:55:17
  high. It's the perfect way to wrap up
• 1:55:20
  out for Ed. The first year really isn't.
• 1:55:23
  It, it is like George, if you're listening, thanks.
• 1:55:27
  Because you've just summarized our, our whole journey in one
• 1:55:31
  video. Because you know what else he
• 1:55:34
  says? He's like he's, he hasn't put on
• 1:55:36
  anyways, he still looks in good shape and he's been riding and
• 1:55:39
  cross training a lot. And one of the days he goes to
• 1:55:42
  the track to do like not an intense workout, but he's just
• 1:55:46
  there with the team. He said he was leading some of
• 1:55:49
  the reps on the bike, you know, like taking them through in
• 1:55:52
  whatever seconds. And he was like, I was, I can't
• 1:55:54
  remember which way around it was.
• 1:55:55
  I was good for the girls and bad for the boys.
• 1:55:57
  Like they were do a fuming at me because I was going through like
• 1:56:01
  3 seconds too quick. But he pulls his shorts up and
• 1:56:05
  like, flexes his quad and he's like, these, these lungs,
• 1:56:09
  they're not conditioned to be taken, these cycling legs around
• 1:56:12
  the track. That's so good.
• 1:56:17
  But yeah, good watch and look forward to following the series
• 1:56:20
  because hopefully it leads to, I think he said there's skipping
• 1:56:24
  indoors. Yeah, because they're kind of
• 1:56:26
  just getting back to it now with a priority on the outdoor
• 1:56:30
  season, obviously knowing that Europeans and com games are
• 1:56:33
  coming. So hopefully be a good follow
• 1:56:35
  for George. Good.
• 1:56:40
  It's interesting, it's a good reflection as well, rather
• 1:56:42
  because it's you want to sort of connect to content that is
• 1:56:45
  helpful for you at the time, wherever you're at.
• 1:56:48
  So yeah, certainly nice to hear someone comment on.
• 1:56:50
  And particularly with like, social media, a lot of stuff is
• 1:56:53
  cropped and, you know, fairly contrived, whereas it's nice to
• 1:56:58
  see the other side of it. Yeah, and his first run on the
• 1:57:03
  treadmill, it's at like 13 K an hour, so it's a nice reminder to
• 1:57:07
  take it easy. He didn't didn't wind it up with
• 1:57:11
  A330K at the end. Wasn't nudging it, no steady no.
• 1:57:16
  And he's got his coach, a strength and conditioning coach
• 1:57:20
  and a physio all there with them and it's like, wow, that's
• 1:57:23
  that's the dream in it some life.
• 1:57:27
  But then again, they'd only be shouting at you to lift weights,
• 1:57:29
  so. Yeah, true.
• 1:57:31
  Which, hey, which you got to tonight.
• 1:57:34
  Very good. Was in there ticking boxes.
• 1:57:37
  With with the with the deed show.
• 1:57:41
  Yeah, but what was he doing in there?
• 1:57:44
  He's meant to start his program. Yeah, he did say that's my first
• 1:57:49
  session complete, Tom, thanks very much.
• 1:57:52
  He did also whisper the other day that he was thinking about
• 1:57:55
  doing a session. So I don't know what.
• 1:57:57
  Watch this space watch. This space.
• 1:58:02
  Nice. I think that's us.
• 1:58:04
  Long stint. Thanks for being with us.
• 1:58:06
  Massive episode and thanks for the past year.
• 1:58:09
  We look forward to the next year.
• 1:58:12
  Onwards and upwards. Let's go.
• 1:59:55
  Music.