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Best of Chuck & Buck 12-4 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's a sound shirk.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, folks.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning everyone, Good morning, good some time, Good morning class,
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  Speaker 3: lazy and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, behold in producing six one guard from
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  Speaker 4: Brighton Mellanois and former high school basketball stand what in
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  Speaker 4: the hell does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Don't jumped any conclusions. Not a god, You've got to
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  Speaker 2: lower lower your expectations.
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  Speaker 5: Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former.
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  Speaker 6: I'll just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped
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  Speaker 6: X athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
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  Speaker 5: Five seven guard and a former college water polo and
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  Speaker 5: national champion.
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  Speaker 2: Is a lot of useless crap up here.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
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  Speaker 5: Ashley Ryan. But to you buy to they look casino
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  Speaker 5: resort and quill see the Greek Draftking sports book where
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  Speaker 5: the action never stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning and welcome into this Thursday edition of
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  Speaker 2: Chucking Back in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point
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  Speaker 2: three kh A r f M. Great to have you
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  Speaker 2: with us. I do emphasise the we're great. It's not
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  Speaker 2: just good it's great to have you with us. Thank you, Ashley,
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  Speaker 2: very Tony the tiger of you well showing him what
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  Speaker 2: I could do. Uh huh, four hours. We got you
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  Speaker 2: till ten o'clock this morning. We've got all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: cool stuff planned for you. Of course, Bucky Jacobson will
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  Speaker 2: not be a part of our reindeer games here. Today's
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  Speaker 2: taking a couple of days off pretty much just to
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  Speaker 2: go drinking with buddies. I mean, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: else to put that. That's yeah, yeah, he's got a
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  Speaker 2: he's got a friend of his that all he does
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  Speaker 2: is give grief to and yet good buddies. And those
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  Speaker 2: two buddies they're selling lebrating a birthday down there in
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  Speaker 2: the old Palm Springs with some other buddies, with other buddies,
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  Speaker 2: and so Bucki's out for the next couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: Really does sound like an Ashley type of trip. I'm
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  Speaker 2: very jealous. Doesn't sound like a Bucky Tighter kind of trip.
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  Speaker 2: Like an Ashley kind of trip. Like I'm eating girlfriends
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  Speaker 2: down in Palm Springs and we're gonna, you know, do
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  Speaker 2: shots and play golf and hang out by the pool,
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  Speaker 2: hanging out by the pool all day. Doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 2: a bucket out, No, it doesn't. Especially.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's lucky it's only seventy degrees, because when
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the weather, it's gonna be like eighty
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  Speaker 1: as I said in a week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he would be miserable. I think a
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  Speaker 2: bucky outing is like heading to the cabin with my boy.
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  Speaker 2: Would wear a fur hat. Yeah, I don't wear a
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  Speaker 2: fur hat from an animal I killed. We're a drink
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  Speaker 2: elk blood. Yeah, I might add some to the dips,
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  Speaker 2: smear it on each other, knack like man.
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  Speaker 1: His trips to me seem very Lord of the flies,
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  Speaker 1: Like like when he was home alone, I was all
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  Speaker 1: I pictured was Lord of the Flies type of string.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like he hasn't bathed and he's just jumping over
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  Speaker 2: the fire pit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, okay, Well I'm he might go into
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  Speaker 1: the river for a bath.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but that's it. Uh huh Okay, I see
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. His goal when Kate was gone was
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  Speaker 2: no dishes that even even Lord of the Flies have
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  Speaker 2: to find social.
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  Speaker 1: Occasions they do, and this one is quite opposite of
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  Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's an Ashley trip.
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  Speaker 1: Let's face and I don't think he should be allowed.
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  Speaker 2: To take one without me getting to go along. For
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the great approach, because I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with how, you know, friend lives. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, see what they do for fun, See what
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  Speaker 2: they do for fun. But you ought to have you
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  Speaker 2: around to show everybody how it's done.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, But that's all right. I'm sure they'll have
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  Speaker 1: an okay time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fine. It could be better, Yeah, exactly. Well,
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  Speaker 2: welcome in. But we do have a lot planned for
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  Speaker 2: you here on the Today's program, including we're going to
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  Speaker 2: replay some of the conversation last afternoon from the off
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  Speaker 2: the Maler Dick Faine radio program where they had on
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  Speaker 2: Jed Fish. It was National Signing Day yesterday. Obviously we've
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  Speaker 2: taken a little bit of a breath coming out of
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  Speaker 2: the regular season having come to an end. In college football,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the postseason starts on Saturday with Conference Championship Week.
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  Speaker 2: The Huskies will play in a bowl game, and it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like it's gonna be a relatively early bowl game
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  Speaker 2: gathering in the process. But nonetheless to me, I mean again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a bowl game person, so to me the
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  Speaker 2: season's over. Yeah, And so certainly we've had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a breath and we've had Lane Kiffins stories
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  Speaker 2: in college football rankings to discuss, but haven't really sunk
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  Speaker 2: our teeth into with the exception of the Cam Cleveland
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  Speaker 2: conversation yesterday, kind of just making sense of what the
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  Speaker 2: season has been for Jed Fish and Washington Huskies. And
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  Speaker 2: so we're gonna take a little more time to do
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  Speaker 2: that today. We're gonna replace some of that conversation coming
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  Speaker 2: up at seven oh fo five between Softie and Jed.
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  Speaker 2: But I've been wanting to talk about my Jedfish issues
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  Speaker 2: all week long, my fish shoes if you will like that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I have the right person to chat about it with,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, duck boy over here would get in
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  Speaker 2: the way of just a real good husky conversation about
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  Speaker 2: Jetfish and how it's going. And I brought this up
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  Speaker 2: to Cam yesterday and we haven't had a chance as
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  Speaker 2: a show to discuss it. But I do find it
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  Speaker 2: pretty fascinating that. I mean, it does feel like Jetfish
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  Speaker 2: took over the program and every right thinking person in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle was like, Wow, we don't want to lose Kaylin
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  Speaker 2: de Bore, this seems like a pretty good pivot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: remains to be seen, but that seems like a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good pivot. This guy's got a reputation of being a
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  Speaker 2: really smart guy, and he also is somebody that was
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  Speaker 2: perfectly willing in this transition period in college football of
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  Speaker 2: embracing the NILP and all the changes that were happening.
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  Speaker 2: And he immediately showed you his transfer portal abilities brought
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of different veterans. But replacing twenty starters
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  Speaker 2: twenty one starters in your first season doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 2: kind of program you take over. That's hard. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: so Jetfish had his work cut out for him, and
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  Speaker 2: it felt like we were all on the same page,
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  Speaker 2: like we're going to give him a free pass. And
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  Speaker 2: then he went six and six, and you're like, okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: can't be mad about it. He can't be mad about it,
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  Speaker 2: but I do wish we would have seen a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. Yeah. It was like, temper your expectations, but
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  Speaker 2: we're ready to be pleasantly surprised, right, Yeah, and yet
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  Speaker 2: he delivered what we had expected. What you should have expected, certainly,
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  Speaker 2: and we should have all been alright with that, then
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  Speaker 2: you go into the second season like, well, you better
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  Speaker 2: be better next year. The free past days are over. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we need to see some progress from year number
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  Speaker 2: one to year number two. And they delivered on that.
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  Speaker 2: They went eight and four this year. I think teams
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  Speaker 2: like Washington that are sort of on the cusp of
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  Speaker 2: being a top twenty five team in the country, not
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  Speaker 2: program team in the country. You know what happened to
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  Speaker 2: them in their schedule, I think is what you would expect.
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  Speaker 2: They're not ready to beat Ohio State. Yet No, they're
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  Speaker 2: not ready. They weren't ready this year to beat Oregon,
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  Speaker 2: and yet they competed. They competed with Ohio State for
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  Speaker 2: three quarters. There were moments in that Ohio State game
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  Speaker 2: you're like, man, if they would just have executed this
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  Speaker 2: or that, we'd have a different ballgame. Now I had
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  Speaker 2: fifteen things that needed to change, like no, you execute
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  Speaker 2: that play or you execute that drive, and we had
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  Speaker 2: a different game here, and you were very close to
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  Speaker 2: doing that. So they competed. Yeah, and I know that
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  Speaker 2: people with a championship mentality, it almost feels like you're
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  Speaker 2: patting them on the head like, oh, nice job, little buddy.
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  Speaker 2: So nobody wants to like wants that to be long term.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of what our expectations were for Jedfish
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  Speaker 2: in year number two, what were they You gotta be
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  Speaker 2: a lot better, yep, and they were. They went eight
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  Speaker 2: and four on the season, and yet we get to
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year, and then you can sense
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  Speaker 2: the frustration. I think you had it. I have it,
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  Speaker 2: certainly people around this building have it. It's like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: you did go eight and four and you were more
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  Speaker 2: competitive with the big boys in the conference. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: slipped up and lost a game, but that's usually what
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  Speaker 2: top thirty teams in the country do. They're not good
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  Speaker 2: every single day. And so when you've took on Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: those are the kind of game. Top thirty teams lose
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  Speaker 2: a game like that during the year, and they usually
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  Speaker 2: steal a game as well, and they usually show up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure Illinois is sitting back there thinking, Man,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe we got beat that soundly. Yeah, in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle when we faced them, we thought we were better
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  Speaker 2: than that. I would agree with it, right, And so
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  Speaker 2: he delivers on the eight and four season, and yet
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  Speaker 2: we get to the end of the year and what's
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  Speaker 2: our reaction? Okay, that was our expectation for your number two.
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  Speaker 2: You could have surprised me with a little bit more, right, Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the way you feel like everybody's kind of reacting to it,
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  Speaker 2: we could have seen more from you. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: was wrong with the offense? Why wasn't Demon Williams more consistent?
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  Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman? What was that whole thing? You know, it
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  Speaker 2: does feel like you get to the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year and you kind of got what you thought you
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  Speaker 2: should have got, and yet you can't help but think, well,
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  Speaker 2: it could have been better, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and I think going in you had such
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  Speaker 1: high expectations of Demon Williams and what he could do,
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  Speaker 1: and so then to see that some of the issues
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  Speaker 1: were Demond Williams, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, wait a minute, I didn't think. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: expect this.
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  Speaker 1: And then with Jonah Coleman and his injury, I don't
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  Speaker 1: really understand when that exactly happened or how severe it was.
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  Speaker 1: But you have two really good backup running backs that
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  Speaker 1: could have fulfilled that role a lot earlier, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and I just I don't There was certain things like
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  Speaker 1: after coming out of those the first three games, it was,
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  Speaker 1: and going into Ohio State, all of a sudden, the
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  Speaker 1: offense disappeared. And I know Ohio State's defense is exceptional
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  Speaker 1: and that had probably quite a bit to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it didn't disappear. It showed up for the average
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  Speaker 2: two below average teams, right, dominated that, right, But it
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  Speaker 2: never appeared against the great teams. Right. That was my issue.
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  Speaker 2: So even though you did show progress, I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: weren't competitive with the Oregon last year. You were this year. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean again, that was another game where like, man,
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  Speaker 2: they're playing with him, Walter's getting the job done, and
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  Speaker 2: we could just stop people on third and long and
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  Speaker 2: we would just give the ball to Mohammad because he's
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  Speaker 2: obviously the run game is having more success than demand
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  Speaker 2: throwing the ball. Right now, you know, there was you
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  Speaker 2: could entertain like, hey, we can take this thing. You
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  Speaker 2: could entertain that as late as the into the third
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  Speaker 2: quarter into the fourth quarter, and that's progress, that's progress.
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  Speaker 2: And yet once you get in it, you're like, well
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  Speaker 2: we're not as good as organ dammit. Yeah, but that
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  Speaker 2: really wasn't the expectation. I guess my point is I
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  Speaker 2: have developed some fissues. There are some things about the
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  Speaker 2: program thus far that have surprised me to the negative. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and yet when you start doing your checklist of what
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  Speaker 2: were your realistic expectations for how this thing was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to go six and six in the first year, considering
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  Speaker 2: what you had to dig out of, Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 2: that's a check Yep. Eight and four in the six
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  Speaker 2: second year with time spent in the top twenty five
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  Speaker 2: competitive games against the best teams in the country that
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  Speaker 2: were on your schedule. Yeah, you kicked the game in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: But as I said before, that's what that's the that's
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  Speaker 2: the recipe of a top thirty team in the country,
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  Speaker 2: which is what Washington was. Yeah, this year, and so
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  Speaker 2: that's that usually happens to top thirty teams. They lose
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  Speaker 2: a game they shouldn't and then so all of that stuff,
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  Speaker 2: it's like they did kind of achieve What if you
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  Speaker 2: wrote it down on paper, this is what I want
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  Speaker 2: to get out of this season, it probably did satisfy
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  Speaker 2: if you were being realistic. If you're being realistic, yes,
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  Speaker 2: what you were looking for. And then yesterday he comes through.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, he's staying yeah, which was another thing
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  Speaker 2: that everybody was, Oh, this guy's reputation. He just bounces
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  Speaker 2: and all season long hounded by are you leaving for
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  Speaker 2: this job? Are you leaving for that job? Are you leaving?
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  Speaker 2: And he's staying. Yeah. I don't know what the politics
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  Speaker 2: are or what the gossip is behind. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I understand all of the reasons for
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  Speaker 2: why he's staying. But he is staying. So that's another thing.
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  Speaker 2: Six and six to eight and four more competitive. Now
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  Speaker 2: he's staying. We know he's going to be around for
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  Speaker 2: at least one more year. And obviously the recruiting is working.
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  Speaker 2: So you come away yesterday with a top thirteen class
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  Speaker 2: and you had a lot of people in college football
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  Speaker 2: praising like oh Man Washington. Look out for Washington. Something
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  Speaker 2: is happening there. So I guess my point because I
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  Speaker 2: was planning on talking about my fishues all week long
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  Speaker 2: before I would enter into discussing further any fishes that
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  Speaker 2: I have. I think there has to be an acknowledgment
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  Speaker 2: of he's checking the boxes. Yes for us. Now he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't taken it. You know, he didn't take over a
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  Speaker 2: rebuilding effort and go eight and four in the first year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that we would all love that. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't go in the second year and beat Oregon and
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  Speaker 2: and be a part of the college football playoff ranking discussion.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that would have been the high end expectation
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  Speaker 2: for this year. But he got done what I think
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  Speaker 2: realistically we expected him to get done. And the recruiting
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  Speaker 2: classes keep improving every year. His willingness actually energy for
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  Speaker 2: this new world of college football, which a lot of
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  Speaker 2: coaches hate. He seems to be embracing it, which is
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful feather in his cap. So it is progressing.
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  Speaker 2: It is moving in the direction that realistically we should
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  Speaker 2: have expected it to move the pace it should have
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  Speaker 2: moved at. There have been guys that have come in
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  Speaker 2: the past took over a program that seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: in shambles and they did such an excellent job that
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  Speaker 2: they turned it around overnight. Bob Stoops was one of
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  Speaker 2: those guys. Nick Saban's done that before. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: are exceptional jobs that have been done in college football
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  Speaker 2: where they came in, put their hands all over the
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  Speaker 2: product and it turned around instantly overnight. And it Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so's there's another world that we could have been living in.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of just kind of keeping focus on
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  Speaker 2: the task at hand. He's gotten the job done. He's
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  Speaker 2: done what he's supposed to do. Taking over a program
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  Speaker 2: that was left I'm not going to say and ruin
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  Speaker 2: or in ashes, but certainly it was pretty low. Trying
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  Speaker 2: to replace everything that got destroyed when Kaylin Debor left
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  Speaker 2: was not going to be an easy task. And two
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  Speaker 2: years into it, it's been a steady climb, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a climb. We are climbing. It is elevating, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that we need to spend some time giving Jetfish
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  Speaker 2: credit for that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, it has been an improvement, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just not it hasn't been exciting, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just kind of been the steady. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing what people would expect, and thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing that's just blowing your mind, like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe we did that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's where my have just this tempered.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was so.
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  Speaker 1: Exciting with Debor and Ryan Grubb and Michael Pennix and
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  Speaker 1: Roma do you know that whole group, and to come
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  Speaker 1: off of that is no fault of Jed's at all,
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  Speaker 1: and he kind of got put in a really tough
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  Speaker 1: situation because people one adored Kaitlin de Boor and two
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  Speaker 1: we'd just come off making it to the National Championship.
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  Speaker 2: And that's another aspect of it. When he comes into town,
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  Speaker 2: you know that he has this reputation of bouncing around,
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  Speaker 2: so you know that the coaching rumors are going to
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  Speaker 2: fly around every time that one comes up. You know
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  Speaker 2: that people are going to go crazy on social media.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to overreact to it or are you
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  Speaker 2: going to try to keep a levelhead about it, because
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  Speaker 2: we don't What we don't know is what really is
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  Speaker 2: going on between Jedfish's ears. We also know, I mean
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  Speaker 2: Chris Peterson didn't really have much of a relationship with
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  Speaker 2: the media. He had one with Softy, but Softy's an exception,
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  Speaker 2: or with really the fan base. Yeah, I mean Chris P.
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  Speaker 2: Pterson was a good guy. But Jetfish has had a
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  Speaker 2: better relationship with the fan base and with the media
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  Speaker 2: than what Chris Peterson did. But because we came off
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  Speaker 2: of Kaylen de Boor, who was like Doris Day yeah
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  Speaker 2: and then broke our hearts yeah, and came in and
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  Speaker 2: won immediately and took those big jumps forward and was
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  Speaker 2: kind to everyone, so exciting. Everything was so awesome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's like a I know this is a Dick Fane nickname.
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  Speaker 2: He was like a snow globe. It's like everything in
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  Speaker 2: that world looks so wonderful. Well, that's hard to match
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  Speaker 2: up with Jetfish doesn't have the same personality. We knew
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: going in that it was going to be more difficult
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: to get him on the airwaves with us. Yea, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: yet I've enjoyed every conversation that I've had with him,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and so he Yeah, he hasn't done the things that
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Kaylen de Boor showed you that you can do in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: a short period of time. Yeah, and or Bob Stoops
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: did at Oklahoma, or a Nick Saban did at LSU,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: or the list. I could make a list. But he
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: has done what realistically we expected him to do, right,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: He has checked those boxes. The programs getting stronger in
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: this new era of nil, Washington is embracing it. They
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: seem to be ahead of the game. And so I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: think it's you know, in this week of sort of reflecting,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I was planning on doing a segment earlier this week
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: on what I don't like about Jetfish and what I'm surprised.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I don't like about Jetfish, but as we get now
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that we get to Thursday, I think it was more
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: important to have a conversation about, Hey, there are a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: lot of things to like here. Yes, there are, yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of positives. Yeah. And so even though it
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone from zero to sixty as fast as we've
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: wanted it to go, it's still we're moving towards sixty.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: We're not decelerating. We are accelerating as a program under
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: his direction. We just started from a lower point than
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: what we are accustomed to, and.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's a that's the fair expectation to put
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: on Jetfish. I think putting anything else on him would
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: have been unfair to him. We would have been setting
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: him up and ourselves up for a disappointment. And so
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it is important to look at that steady improvement as
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: as as I said, it's not overly exciting.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were open to being blown away, yes, and
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: that has not happened. And that's okay because at least
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: it was an improvement. Yes, Yeah, all right, let's find
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: out what's on tap for the rest of the show.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: What's on to what's on top? All right? National Signing
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Day did come to a close yesterday. We will replace
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: some of that conversation between Soft and Jetfish. That's kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of on your way at seven five Transfer Portal, by
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the way, for those wondering. That opens up January second,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and there's a two week window, and so that's basically
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: free agency frenzy in college football, and it's going to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: become a bigger deal every year unless you know, more
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: rule changes are in store for us in the future.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: But as of right now, that is a really important
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: two weeks in the college football calendar, and it starts
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on January tewod College Football Conference Championship Week Friday and Saturday.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: All the big boys you're going to play on Saturday
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and including Indiana versus Ohio State one excuse me two
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: versus one for the Big Ten title. Oh, it's gonna
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: be great at five o'clock. Selection Sunday is this Sunday,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: so we will know the NCAA Tournament field. Will spend
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: some time later on in the show talking about college
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: football playoff rankings bias, because I think it's hilarious. The
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Lane Kiff and Saga took another turn. We actually found
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: out some information about how Old Miss isn't all that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: broken up that Lane Kiffin left and more information regarding
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: just what a liar he can be to try to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: make himself look better. Shocking. Yeah, we found that some
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of that out yesterday as well. Thursday night football starts
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: week number fourteen of the NFL season. It's a good one.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Dallas at Detroit. That's a fun game. Might be a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: playoff elimination game, considering the heavy competition in the NFC
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: this year. Also from a fantasy football perspective, it's the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: last week of the regular season in a lot of leagues,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and I almost everybody's got either a cowboy or a
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: lion on their team or will be facing a cowboy
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: or allion this week. Mike Sander will join us at
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: nine thirty. Seahawks Falcons will of course be a monster
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: topic today from eight to nine, that's all we'll discuss
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: with our experts, Hugh Millen and Greg Bell. It's the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: twelfth Man Roundtable, cracking finally back in action. They'll be
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: in Edmonton. They'll meet at the Tree in Edmonton. It
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: really does feel like they haven't played in a month.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I know. So they played tonight at six o'clock College
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: basketball probably should have spent some more time on this.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: What a game last night you dub trailed by sixteen
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: with fifteen minutes to go, and the Big ten opener
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: against UCLA almost came back and won that sucker. They
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: do lose it ultimately eighty two to eighty and they
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: will next play usc Saturday at three, and Major League
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Baseball's Winter Meetings will start in three days. I know
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of holiday activities, but but yes, we
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: have to celebrate Christmas just as hard as we do
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the Winter meetings. This show don't lose steam. No, So
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: we're gonna yeah, we're going to talk about what the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: winter meetings are for and what the Mariners might do
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: because I think, and I'm kind of changing my mind
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: on this, it might be the off season to make
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a blockbuster trade. I'll explain it next. Sports Radio ninety
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: three point three kJ RFM. I know, I know, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: used to what would you like? Not this one? I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: going to play this one today?
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: For the record, I never said that. I just said
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I like Christmas music.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: I'm calling you the expert, and I have a weird
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: ranking inclination. I just have to take the songs, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: you know, you know, like, oh, holy night, Greg, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: just you know, I got to listen go to Spotify
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: and listen to twenty versions over the holiday season, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: that's that's the best.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, holy night, that's not what I would have picked
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you twenty versions.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I'll bring tears to your eyes. Don't underestimate that one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Dance Little Christmas. I didn't think was gonna
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: make the Varsity cut for Hugh Millon from Elton John
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: here this morning, and I was rush, that's not what.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: Elton John's bet. He's got a lot of good ones.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: Swim in Madison Square Garden one time, but that's not
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: one of his best.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But it makes me laugh every time. It's step into Christmas.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why it makes me laugh,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: but it does. And so that's why I was like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: this one makes me laugh.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm playing it now. I got Greg Bell's Christmas
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: tree in the background on the zoom call as well.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It looks like he's eating some Christmas porridge. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: we are in the holiday spirit here, I'm eating porridge. Well,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it's our twelve man round table r QB one u
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Millan is here, our Seahawks inside of Greg Bell is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: here as well as we get ready for the Falcons,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: but also certainly every single week is sort of a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know, temperature check of just how well this season's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: going for the ywks nine and three record at this point.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think on Monday I started with all the positive
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: things and then we eventually got in to conversations about
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: some of the concerns. I think I want to start
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: with the concerns here today and whether there are any, Hugh,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'll start with you the offense. I mean, Sam Donald
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was just having an MVP like season, and I know
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that these statistics don't say everything, but here in the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: last three weeks two touchdowns to four interceptions. He'd only
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: been sacked ten times. In the first nine games. He's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: been sacked six times in the last three. He was
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: completing seventy percent of his passes. In the last three games,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he's only completing sixty one percent of his passes. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: so I would just I would just like to see
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: if there's any concern that you have about the Seahawks
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: offense at this point, and if all you're worried that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: maybe it's on a little bit of a downward trajectory
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: from that high plateau it's spent for the first half
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of the season. Well, it certainly is on a downward trajectory.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, you played twelve games, the first six games,
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Sam Darnald at one hundred and sixteen p gacerating and
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: in the last sixties out of ninety three. So I
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: think the numbers are undisputable, your eyes telling you certainly
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: last week against Minnesota was was tough in many ways,
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: and and and thankfully they were going against a feeble
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: offense and they were able to just kind of hang
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: on in the second half.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: But I think, you know, to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Some extent, I think, what's the safest day to fly,
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: you know, the day after plane crash? Right, I think
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: that I think that this the Seahawks are likely to
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: have spent a lot of time in UH in in practice,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: in walkthroughs, and really.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Reviewing their blitz pick up.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: And and now I don't I don't think you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: people say, well, Minnesota, they they showed a lot of
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: things that are are difficult that they were number one
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: in in the UH in the NFL going into the
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: game in terms of percent of snap with pressure. They
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: were dead last in Nickel number one in use of
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: the three four. There's a lot of things from a
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: personnel standpoint, scheme standpoint, a lot of zone pressures, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: a lot of different zones, and so they kind of
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: caught Seattle with their pants down a little bit. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: I think that Seattle have a renewed effort to address
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: that and.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Move forward. Greg.
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the concern with Sam Darnold is to me, ball security.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, Hugh knows the number one job of a
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: quarterback is to protect the ball and if he's going
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: to get hit, to not lose the ball. And he
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: loses quite a butt, more than an average quarterback. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: just this season, and I've watched him every snap he
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: loses the ball in traffic, whether it's his own lineman
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: getting pushed into him or him throwing a ball off
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: of a lineman's helmet or blindside hit and he loses
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: the ball. He's second in the NFL and turnovers ten
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: interception and five lost fumbles. And guess who're the number
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: one team by far as Minnesota and Blitz and guess
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: who number two is Atlanta. So they're gonna.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Challenge the protection and they get the ball out quickly
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and every time after a game win or lose, Sam.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: Darnold says the same thing. I got to get the
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: ball more quickly. I got to get the ball more quickly.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Hooper Cup after the Vikings game, said we got to
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: run shorter routes. If they're gonna blitz us and we
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: get we're still got our back to the quarterback. This
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: is I'm paraphrasing. We can't run twenty yard in routes
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: like Jackson Smith and Jiggers been feasting on teams for
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: most of the season if the teams are gonna blitz
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: like the Vikings did and cause fake blitzing and cause pressures.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: So that's a challenge this week. Can the Seahawks adjust
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: on the fly to another blitz team and Jackson Smith
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: and jigg but perhaps running hitch routes instead of goes
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: and in routes. They started to do it in the
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: second half. Of course, they were up by three scores
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: and they just ran the ball.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: The encouraging thing for the offense is they are starting
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to get traction running the football and they are starting
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to treat Kenneth Walker like a lead back.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: Both in the beginning of the first quarter. In the
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: beginning of the third quarter against Minnesota, it looked like
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: ken Walker was a lead back. Finally they were giving
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: him steady diets of runs. They were actually throwing in
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: the ball and getting to the ball in the open field.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: He had the preponderance of Carrie. Now once again on
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: third down and in the red zone, Zax Sharvion Ay
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: comes in. Sharona ends up getting his knife touchdown of
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: the season on a run of seventeen yards of the
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: ice of the game. But they are now starting to
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: assert Kenneth Walker as a more consistent lead back and
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: that's helped them. They've averaged one hundred and forty yards
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: rushing in the last four games. That will help them
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: against the Rams and forty nine ers. I would assert
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: that they need to have Kenneth Walker as running back
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: one plus against the Rams in two weeks to beat
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: them because they cannot rely on Sam Darnold to throw
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: it all around the yard against the Rams and the
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: team he just threw four interceptions.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker to me, is the key to the rest
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: of the season, whether they win the NFC. What I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: know Donald and Smith and Jigbebb and Key to the
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: season so far, Kenneth Walker to me will hold the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: key at whether they win the.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: Division or not.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: Well, you know a couple of things on the turnovers
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: for Sam Darnold. Look, obviously, quarterbacks are gonna come back
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: and address your your ball security. There's certainly a difference
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: between are you are you fumbling in the process of
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: throwing after your hands have already separated. If your your
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: hands get hit there, you're you're very likely to have
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: a fumble the two on Saturday, he was still in
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: the pocket, not yet throwing, so he has two hands
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: on the ball. He's got to secure it. But I
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: would say that his turnover worthy plays.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: You know, he's under Pat Mahomes. He's got the same
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: number as Bo Nicks. Prior to this last week he
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: had one under Drake May. Now he's got one more
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: than Drake May.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But that's uh.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: And when you look at Pat Mahomes' entire career, Pat Mahomes.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Is at twenty nineteen point nine specifically, but at twenty
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: per season, And yet you live with it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: And who is number one in all of the NFL
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: in the big time throw percentage, Well, it's Sam. It's
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Sam Darnold, so so I think that, yeah, Greg's absolutely right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: you have to address this hopefully moving forward.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that you want to new to yourself.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: So much that you take away the big play making ability.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: I just I think you talk about it, Hey, hey,
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: ball security, if you're getting tackled, try not to fumble.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: But I don't think you can. You can paralyze yourself
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: for fear of having turnovers. It takes away you know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I mean I just decided Pat Mahomes, you think Andy
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: is upset that he has twenty turnover worthy plays. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: mean right now, Sam Donald has fourteen, so he's on
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: a pace to be under that for under twenty under
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Pat mahomes entire average for his entire career.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Greg Alison said at the end of
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the game. We talked about it on Monday. I mean, yes,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you do have to reduce your turnovers. That's just an
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: obvious statistic. But I don't want it to come at
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: risk of what that offense looked like it was capable
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of in the first half. I don't want them to
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: stop being aggressive. I kind of feel that Mike McDonald
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: feels that way as well. Certainly, Greg was the game
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in which Sam donald was the most pressured, feel like
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: he had the least amount of time to throw the football.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Was that gonna warrant any kind of change up front
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: on the offensive line for Sunday?
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Not for Sunday because Jon Sendell is not back from
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: indust reserve yet. The fourth consecutive game that Sundel has
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: to miss from IR is on Sunday in Atlanta. This
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: time next week, Sindell will be eligible come off injured reserve.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: And when I asked McDonald on Monday if he's how
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: Sundell was doing on his knee, and he said pretty good,
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: as so far as I understand, I said, well, Sundell
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: come back as a center or a guard. The reason
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: I asked that is that training camp began with Jalen
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: Sundell as a competitor at right guard with Anthony Bradford
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: and Christian Haynes. Then they moved Sundell to center, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: he proved to be better than Olowa Timmy at center
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: in training camp and he won that job. But he
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: spent time last year and practiced as a guard as well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: I think that he's going to compete with Anthony Bradford
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: as the right guard and he comes back next week.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he's going to take the job
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: in the Colts game next week right guard, but I
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: think he's going to compete and maybe get there eventually.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: I think their best line right now with Ol Timmy
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: and showing well the last two games is to keep
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: Ol Timmy where it's going well right now at center,
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: with the option to slide Sundell there if if Ol
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: Timmy starts faltering against the Rams. But I think the
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: better option is an old Timmy at center and Della
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: right guard when he gets back next week. But that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: not going to help him against Atlanta on Sunday. I
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: don't think Christian Haines is the answer over Anthony Bradford.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: Haynes has tried three different times, two different coaching staff
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: to try to win this job, and he hasn't done
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: it yet. He had a chance in training camp, but
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: he got beat out by Bradford, so it's gonna be
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: appears Anthony Bradford. On Sunday in Atlanta, a couple went
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: outlined a whole bunch of things they need to do
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: against pressure, and one of the things he said is.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Let's roll out some more let's run outside the pressure.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Not only did Donald get sacked four times in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: first half, which is season high against the Vikings, six
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: passes got knocked down by edge rushers.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: Six That's a lot. Some guys don't have that in
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: a month.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: So Donald's cups point is, let's not just stand in
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the pocket as much as we did. He didn't quite
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: call out Kubiak, but he did just not by words
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: a name, Let's roll out and make those guys chase him.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Donald has shown the ability to get outside the pocket,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and they usually do it off bootlegs and play action passes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But we may see more of that, some bootlegs, some playques,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: or maybe some straight sprintouts so that straight line blitzers
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: can't have a straight line shot at a quarterback in
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the pocket and you actually have to chase and run
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: outside of him. So, yes, I think they're going to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: be changes this week from what Minnesota did. Yes, I
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: think Atlanta's going to look at the Minnesota game tape
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: and try to copy some of that, especially with the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: fake blitzing that happened in the second quarter that made
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Anthony Bradford and others look like guys standing around waiting
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: on a light rail train to pull up blocking nobody
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and the rams are going to see all this.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: The forty nine ers, the Colts, this is a copycat league.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: So the Seahawks need to have an answer both in
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: scheme and in personnel for pressure that they're going to get,
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: probably inside up the middle starting on Sunday.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when you talk about, okay, outside of
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: the pocket, what are we talking about? Are we talking
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: about naked bootlegs? Are we talking about sprint out? Or
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about are we talking about h dash protection
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: where you start the first three steps going straight back
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: and then that allows you to seal the end and
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: then it becomes a delayed sprint out like like schematically,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: one of the things if if you try and sprint
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: out the quarterback too often, out of the pocket sounds great, right,
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: let's do it with let's hell, let's do it Demon Williams. Right,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: he's athletic, he's short, that'll help the problem is you
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: you have a very limited amount of past concepts you
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: can run out of that. Everything has to be outbreaking
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: because the quarterback. Nobody designs any inbreaking routes on on sprintouts.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Because now the quarterback would be having to double lead
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: throw across his body. See defenders that are flowing to
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: the sprint out. You just you do not throw in
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: breaking routes on sprintouts. So uh uh I think if
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: you just say, well, okay, let's have a game plan
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: where we're out out of the pocket, I think that's
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: gonna uh, that's gonna fail.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: You know. Hurry.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: I think absolutely mixing it in. Uh, your naked bootlegs
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: on first and second down, running away from the stretch
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: or running away from inside zone at get the flow
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: going one way, right handed quarterback out the other. Actually, uh,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Sam Donald's been more bootlegs to the left and he
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: has from the right.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Uh this season and on certain blitz looks. Yeah you can.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: You can have a sprint out, uh and and get
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: a quick flat. But but the way the the Vikings
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: were playing what's called a two catch or palms coverage,
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: they they were they weren't manning behind it that those
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: those sprint out ideas they were they were zoning. So
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: if you if you sprint out and you want to
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: get something in the flat, those corners were reading the
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: release of of of number two the slot and they
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: would trigger to the flat if there was anything in
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: the flat. If there was nothing, they would sink and
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: give ground. So so I think schematically. Look, I think
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Cooper Cup is thus smartest receiver in the NFL. When
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: Cooper Cup talks, I listen, You listen, We all should listen.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, Cooper Cup is brilliant.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Would hesitate. I think he has some ideas. I think
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: if we were to have a conversation, I don't think
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: he would disagree with anything I'm saying. I think let's
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: have a little bit of that. But let's not get
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: the idea of Seahawk fans. Oh, let's just turn turn
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: this into a sprint out game plan. That's not gonna work. No,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: and that's not what he's suggesting. But Donald was in
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: the pocket a lot more against the Vikings, and he
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: was often a sitting duck for those inside Blitz, especially
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: the inside linebacker.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: Blitz's was Cup's point. Look, we're good, Matt. We're going
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: on and on about Sam Donald. The most interesting stat
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: to me the old wins and losses, the old Ken
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: macct story. I've always told you about wins and f
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: and losses, Right, Chuck, Yeah, if.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: His next win he will pass Tom Brady for the
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: most wins in consecutives.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Seasons with two different teams. Yeah, Brady did it with.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: The Patriots and the Buccaneers back to back. Donald has
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: twenty four wins. He will have and this next win
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: will be twenty four wins between the Vikings last year
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and the Seahawks this year, which would be an NFL
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: record for two different teams back to back seasons.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: And that's what his bottom line is, wins and f
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: and losses.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: He's got a defense that now he's got the as
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: they we said that the team needed to be designed
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: to coming into the season. He's got a defense that'll
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: win games. Just don't turn the ball over. We're simplifying here,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: but just don't turn the ball over and you're gonna
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: win most of the games.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: The way this defense is playing right now, including against
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: the Rams. That's how good Mike McDonald's defense has been.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: Greg, I'm glad you brought that up because I think
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: there's something really interesting. You really do a dive on
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Sam Donald. He started as a twenty one year old,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: twenty two year old, and twenty three year old with
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: the Jets. Then he goes straight to the Panthers, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: he starts as a twenty four year old. Then, for
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: the first time in his career in the twenty twenty
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: two season, he he's not the starter, but due to injuries,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: he start, so he sits and he watches for the
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: first time as a twenty five year old. In the
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty two season, he gets his first start of
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: that year in Week twelve. So let's what we're gonna say,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Week twelve. That was on a November twenty seventh, twenty
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: twenty two, a little over three years ago, right age
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: twenty five. Prior to that time, in forty nine starts,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: he had won thirty four point seven percent of his games.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Since then, thirty six starts, he's won exactly seventy five percent.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: The number of games that he had one hundred or
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: more passer rating he had sixteen point three percent prior
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: to that that Eureka date, since then sixty six point
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: seven percent. What does that mean, Pat Mahomes. Since that
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: date he has thirty seven point three percent of like
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: like Sam Donald sixty seven percent one hundred passer ratings
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Pat Mahomes thirty seven percent. Pat Mahomes in his entire
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: career is exactly fifty percent as far as and by
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: the way, the wins where Donald has seventy five percent
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: in the last three years, Mahomes has seventy two percent.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: You mentioned Tom Brady. I'll close with this. Tom Brady
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: in his in his entire career, won seventy five point
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: four percent in the last three years. Sam Donalds won
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: seventy five point zero. And what percent did Tom Brady
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: have a one hundred passer rating or more forty six
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: point eight called forty seven percent Sam Donald's sixty seven
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: percent in the last thirty six game. This guy here,
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: we talked about Pete Carroll had you know, after the Jets'
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: failure and the Patriots failure, you know, he went to Tibet,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: climbed some mountains, you know, smoked some incense, whatever the hell,
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: and became a new man and he tried everything, worked
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: at usc and what have you. I don't know what
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Sam Donald did, but that one time that he had
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: to sit on the bench for and watch for eleven
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: weeks and then he got to play.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: He has been a new man.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: The numbers are staggering and this year you know, look
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: he's he's won seventy five percent of his games this year. Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: I know, fifty of the time he's he's been over
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: one hundred passer rated. Now it's dipped a little bit lately,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: but I think big picture, this is a pre damn
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: good quarterback. Uh and and uh, you know, until he fails,
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: I don't know. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna have
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: the big conversation on December nineteenth, on Friday after after
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: that game, and then then I'm gonna all shut up,
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: right If he fails on that one, you know, then
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: I'll probably have to just kind of, you know, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: zip my lip. But I think for now I still
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: have respect for what this guy has done.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I know one guy that does. It. Wasn't
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: happy about him setting that Tom Brady record. Uh. That
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: was justin Jefferson. You could see it in his face
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. I didn't want you to break the Tom
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Brady two year record of wins with two different teams. Please,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you? Why aren't you still my quarterback? That
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: was justin Jefferson's reaction, justin.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: Jefferson also wasn't very happy that Nicky Worry picked him
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: up and pile drived him into the turf. That was
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: a ridiculous play that Roocky would make it gainst an
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: All Pro.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to talk about Nick emn Warry. Is
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: there more ways? Are there more ways to use him?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that on the other side, Plus b
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Jean Robinson, the problem of the Seahawk defense will face
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this weekend. We'll talk about those things next. Sports Radio
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: ninety three point three kh A RFM. Of course Greg
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Bell as well, normally BUCkies here, we hear him chime in.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling you he was gonna say, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: don't care what happens, just don't want to watch Anthony
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Bradford play this week. So that's probably was going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: be Bucky's take here to close out the hour. But
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I actually heard you defending Anthony Bradford this week a
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let me clarify that, because you know, for years
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: he's been my least favorite Seahawk, not because of who
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: he is. I don't I've never talked to the man,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: just what I see on the tape, and I would
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: swear Greg that he's gained some weight since training camp,
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: because there were some games I saw in preseason where
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: I was like Anthony Bradford's looking a little sweltered, a
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: little quicker, but but you know, he's struggling in and
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: h But I want to specifically say what I defended.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I defended.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Apparently I haven't seen them, but there's photos going around
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: of of Anthony Bradford blocking nobody in the passing game.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched the video.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: I can imagine what plays that happened, and what the
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: Vikings were doing. Is if they put a linebacker in
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: an a gap and and fifty one, remind me who
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: fifty one is for the via like he was lined
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: up over Anthony Bradford, he would engage for a couple
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: of steps and then fly out to go cover it,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: you know, in a zone, kind of trying to pattern
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: read in his zone. And if the camera is snapped
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: at exactly the precise point, Bradford looks like he's blocking nobody.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: But that's that could happen into any guard. Now on
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: the on the counterplay going down in the red zone
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: where he's pulling right to left, he's got the end
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: man on the lion of scrimmage. He doesn't, he doesn't.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: He's not fitting up on an off ball linebacker he's
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: got the end man, the guy's right in his face
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: and him blowing by that. In the running game, that's
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: that's a that's a no bueno. But in the passing game,
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: I think he's getting a little bit of a raw deal.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: But that's the narrow window that I'm defending him. Otherwise, look, Greg,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: I see more of the same from him. And you know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: this year he is out of ninety qualifying guards. PFF
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: has him ranked eightieth. The year before, he was seventy
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: eight out of eighty three. The year before he's sixty
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: seven eighty eight pass blocking. This year he's eighty fifth
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: out of those ninety qualifiers. It's just kind of lather, rinse, repeat.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: So I think that you know, he's just I think
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: is the least capable starter out of twenty two count
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: twenty four counting the specialist. I think he's the guy
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: that he be upgraded the most in the offseason. But
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: you're just gonna have to deal with that, and maybe
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: we'll see some Christen Hayes, maybe we'll see some Sundal there,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: but it's it's just kind of a disappointment, you know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: every Sunday great.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: He has probably game weight because He told me during
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: the summer that he had lost a lot of weight
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: and that was his plan to train toward getting quicker.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: So it's probably that he is. I think Sundell eventually
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: is going to take that job, whether it's next week
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: in his first week back from injured reserve, I'm not
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: sure that's going.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: To be that. Hi, Greg, give me your keys to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Sunday and how you think this game is going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: turn out?
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: Two words for the Seahawks to win this game, Bijon Robinson.
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: If I'm the Falcons, I gave him the ball twenty
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: twenty five times running pass. He's got nine hundred and
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: ninety five yards. He's the fifth leading rusher in the NFL.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: The Seahawks are going to get the two of the
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: top five rushers in the league the next two weeks.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Jonathan Taba rolls into Luminfield next week. He's number one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: So they got to stop jon Robinson. Now we've talked
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: about this. Seahawks are third in the league in rush defense.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: But teams are not running against them because they're falling
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: behind early in games. The Seahawks point differential in the
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: first half is the best in the league, which means
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: that foes are chasing the game and having to abandon
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: any plans to run. The Vikings had six runs by
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: each of two running backs on Sunday. That's it six
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: so out of fifty plays. So they're not even trying
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to run against them, right, Well, the Falcons are going
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: to try to run against them, and they're going to
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: run early, often in all game long. With truer test
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of how good this run defense is coming Sunday with
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Bijon Robinson, and then the truest test yet'll be with
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor and the Colts a week from now.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: As long as.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald is coaching this defense, and as long as
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Leonard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence and Nicky mucmorry and Devin
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Witherspoon are playing in it. In Ernest Jones, the Seahawks
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: win this game nine nine point nine out of ten times.
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: I think they win, call it twenty seven to ten.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: I don't think the Falcons muster much offensively against his defense.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you on that one, all right,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you your final thoughts to close this out? Where we go?
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Bezon Robinson. So a lot of talk this summer
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: about the outside zone with Clint Kubiak. You're gonna watch
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: a team that is the most committed to the outside
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: zone in the Falcons. With Bejon Robinson, he has one
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: hundred and fifteen outside zone runs. The next closest number
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: two is eighty six. Christian McCaffrey. By the way, Can
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: nine has fifty eight basically half right at half of
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: what Beeson Robinson.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: That's this year.
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: Last year, Bezon Robinson one hundred and seventy eight was
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: the most outside zones in the NFL. Next closest guy
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: was one hundred and four. I think he's tremendous at it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of him, But I think that
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Beson Robinson is going against the wrong defense for that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: You got team speed, you got Emon worry that they're
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: trying to get to the edge if they can get it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Otherwise there's the cutbacks. I love, you know, Let's see
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: if there's more dime where you've got Witherspoon on one
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: edge and Emon worry, they've up their dime. The Seahawks
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: from four plays per game to nineteen plays per game
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: since Emon Warry has been backed because he was going
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: to be so yeah yeah, and also because of Wollan,
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: who I think had a really good game at least
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: a few good plays this past Sunday and the hustle
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: play on the.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Eighty five yard pick route that really grabbed my heart.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: But in any event, I think it'll be interesting for
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Seahawks fans to say, Okay, this is what we talked
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: about in the summer. The Falcons are going to try
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: and do it I don't think they're going to do
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: it successfully, but I think Robinson's a hell of a back,
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: but it'll be a challenge. Yeah, and it'd be fun
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: to watch that outside zone.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: All right, man, awesome stuff as always, Thank you very much,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and we'll chat with you both tomorrow, Okay, timber down,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Thanks all right. Greg Bell our Seahawks insider at the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: News Tribune. You can follow them at the News Tribune
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: dot com and at g bel Seattle there on X.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: He'll also be with us tomorrow morning at seven five
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: for his Friday conversation. We get the latest injury reports
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: from Greg every Friday, and keys more keys than the
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: one he gave us here today during the roundtable, and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: of course our QB one, Hugh Millen. He'll be with
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: us tomorrow at nine o'clock for his x'es and O segment,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the award winning exes. We need to make him an award, Ashley, OK, Yeah,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: we make a a Hughe Award for his award winning
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: x'es and o's. I've already I can already picture what
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: it's gonna look like. I think that's a great, great
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: getting ahead of it kind of mode that you're in.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next college football playoff ranking Selection
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Sunday is coming up, and one thing that I want
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to discuss before we get to selection Sunday is that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: we really need to keep our biases in check. We'll
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: talk about that next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Nobody's even given me a piss test? Really, are you
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: supposed to get one? Well, I'm just saying, how can
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: you guarantee that I'm a human? Oh that's true? Yeah? Yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I do think it's quite an assumption. Yeah, why don't
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you swap my mouth something? It was never I never
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: had to prove that when I got a job here.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, you haven't even done any
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: of your due diligence.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: No, nothing, You're just saying it to make everyone else comfortable.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Reckless you know what, Sometimes you got to live in discomfort. Yeah,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes you got to keep people guessing.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I think he does a reckless statement to make a fact. Anyway.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I think you can make a strong assumption that both
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Ashley and I are a human.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I think a strong assumption is a little you can
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: make an assumption.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine o'clock hour here on this Thursday morning, Good
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: morning to you know, Bucky Jacobson here today, it's Ashley,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: it's Chuck with you. We got Mike Sando joining us
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: at nine thirty two preview Thursday Night Football. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good one and also this week in the National Football
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  Speaker 2: League as well. But college football playoff rankings are out
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  Speaker 2: from Tuesday, and of course selection Sunday is now just
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  Speaker 2: you know, a scant three days from now, so we'll
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  Speaker 2: know the entire tournament field. And i'd like to say
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  Speaker 2: so the conversation will come to an end, but obviously
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  Speaker 2: it will just start ramping up. There will be fury.
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  Speaker 2: As Nick Saban said on Saturday, how many teams make
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  Speaker 2: the college basketball tournament like a hundred and yet they
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  Speaker 2: spend two hours talking about the two teams that didn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and there's a lot of truth to that.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how small or large you make this
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  Speaker 2: tournament field, there's going to be there are going to
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  Speaker 2: be people that felt like they got screwed over in
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  Speaker 2: the process, And so can we just remind ourselves, even
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  Speaker 2: if you do have biases coming up, that we have
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  Speaker 2: an actual tournament now, and it's wonderful. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest things that's happened in the last
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  Speaker 2: ten years in sports that college football hasn't. It's made
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  Speaker 2: the regular season better, it's made the last couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks just can't miss kind of sports if you're a
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  Speaker 2: sports fan, football fan at all. And here we sit
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  Speaker 2: three day shy of the tournament, and we got a
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  Speaker 2: great idea as to who's going to make the tournament,
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  Speaker 2: but we have no idea what's going to happen Saturday
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  Speaker 2: that can jumble things up. And certainly there are going
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  Speaker 2: to be a couple of controversial decisions that are going
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  Speaker 2: to be made, no question about it, There's no getting
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  Speaker 2: around it. The committee's got some tough decisions to make.
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  Speaker 2: It's there. It is really razor thin some of these resumes,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what they are. They are resumes. This is
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  Speaker 2: not the National Football League where we have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty tidy thirty two teams. We might get there eventually,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, that might be what college football becomes.
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  Speaker 2: Just to warn you, but we don't have a tidy
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  Speaker 2: thirty two teams and schedule makers and divisional alignment for
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  Speaker 2: teams in a division you play each other twice and
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  Speaker 2: you get a better assessment of who earn who truly
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  Speaker 2: mathematically deserves to be in. There is an element of
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  Speaker 2: a committee, a group of people having to do their best.
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  Speaker 2: I put in quotes to get the right twelve teams in,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I'm concerned about. I want the right
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  Speaker 2: twelve teams, the deserving twelve teams to get into the
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  Speaker 2: tournament field. A lot of people get angry at the
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  Speaker 2: eye test, and then where's the eye test? Clearly that
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  Speaker 2: team's better, you know, well, I don't really. The eye
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  Speaker 2: test has to be a part of this decision making.
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  Speaker 2: But I want the resumes to speak for themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: that's got to be the primary weapon that has to
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  Speaker 2: be used on Sunday to try to determine these twelve teams.
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  Speaker 2: But undeniably, we're going to be dealing with people's biases. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that are going to come into play. And let's start
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  Speaker 2: with the big bias, and the bias is that people
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  Speaker 2: think that the biases of the committee are going to
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  Speaker 2: infect this entire.
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  Speaker 1: Process, right, Yeah, absolutely, especially with the SEC and the
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  Speaker 1: ESPN and the YES.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no avoiding that entirely. No matter what committee
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  Speaker 2: that you put together, odds are there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: somebody that's got an affiliation to one of the conferences
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  Speaker 2: or maybe to one of the individual teams. So there's
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  Speaker 2: probably no avoiding bias being sprinkled into this. But I
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  Speaker 2: also would just sort of warn a little bit, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, I don't want to be naive about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that ESPN is a powerful force, and the
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  Speaker 2: conferences themselves are powerful forces, and certain conferences have more
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  Speaker 2: sway than others. But also those conferences are better conferences. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's just big and the SEC are just better than
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  Speaker 2: the Big twelve and the and the ACC are. That's
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  Speaker 2: not a bias, that's fact. At least we now have
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  Speaker 2: a tournament where those ACC teams that may have been overlooked,
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  Speaker 2: or even a group of five team has a chance
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  Speaker 2: to prove your biases or your belief in fact is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to come in here and beat all
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  Speaker 2: of these SEC teams. At least we have a format
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  Speaker 2: that can prove that on the field right now. But
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  Speaker 2: there's no way to get rid of all of the biases.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna be naive. I realize there are
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  Speaker 2: powerful forces, powerful entities at play here that hold sway
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  Speaker 2: over this process. But I would just remind you we've
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  Speaker 2: had one of these We've had one of these tournaments and.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody already wants to change it and there need to
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  Speaker 1: be changed, and there have been, but not to twenty
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  Speaker 1: four teams or anything.
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  Speaker 2: There have been changes. We've made adjustments. Moyse State's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna I mean, Tulane's not gonna get a three seed. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're not getting buyas right. So we are making adjustments
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  Speaker 2: and changes as we go, which is what we should
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  Speaker 2: do until we really do have the system down that
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  Speaker 2: we want in place. But I would just say we've
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  Speaker 2: had one of these things so far, and for all
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  Speaker 2: of you that are just sure that the SEC is
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  Speaker 2: going to get just way too much credit. Alabama was
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  Speaker 2: the first team out last year. SMU was the last
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  Speaker 2: team in now there was a two loss differential between
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  Speaker 2: those two teams. But I think we can all agree,
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  Speaker 2: based on the way s the SMU performed in the tournament,
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  Speaker 2: that Alabama probably was the better team. I mean, eye test,
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  Speaker 2: Alabama probably was better than SMU last year. If they
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  Speaker 2: played ad to head, they probably would have beaten them.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. But let's give them a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of credit before we just assume that this thing's just
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  Speaker 2: going to become another political nightmare in our lives. They
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  Speaker 2: went with SMU one year of doing this and they
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  Speaker 2: owes the team with the better resume over the team
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  Speaker 2: they thought was better head to head had they played
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  Speaker 2: head to head. So can we give them a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of credit for should Yeah, before we just assume
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  Speaker 2: that this year they're just gonna go with all SEC
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  Speaker 2: and Big ten teams and screw over the little guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so far, they haven't given us a reason
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  Speaker 1: to think they're going to do that. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we should make that assumption that it's gonna because
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of how the old system was, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna you're going to screw over the little guy
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  Speaker 1: in these big Bowl games and things like that, because
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  Speaker 1: nobody wants to watch that. So yes, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: we've had one year of this and they did it right,
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  Speaker 1: so right, Yeah, so have some faith in them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see. I mean, I think criticizing it,
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  Speaker 2: arguing for it the following week, the following Monday, that's
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  Speaker 2: part of the process. That's part of the fun.
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  Speaker 1: Frankly, there's either way it works out. There's going to
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  Speaker 1: be people who are mad, without question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's really what I want to emphasize in
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  Speaker 2: this segment because let's take Texas fans for example. I
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  Speaker 2: think you've got a tremendous argument. Boy, you really aren't
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  Speaker 2: encouraging programs in the future to schedule any good teams
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  Speaker 2: in the non conference. Yeah, if you're not putting us in.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Texas and Ohio State both had the guts
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  Speaker 2: to face one another, you know, knowing what kind of
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  Speaker 2: format we were heading into, and they gave us the
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  Speaker 2: treat way back in week number one of being able
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  Speaker 2: to see Texas and Ohio State right out of the
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  Speaker 2: gates to set the tone for what has been another
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  Speaker 2: wildly entertaining college football season. And we appreciate it. And
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  Speaker 2: what Texas is saying, and it's a great argument, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are making the argument on behalf
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  Speaker 2: of Texas is man, you're discouraging people from ever scheduling
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  Speaker 2: a good non conference opponent if you don't put Texas
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  Speaker 2: into the tournament. And I think that's a good argument.
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  Speaker 2: Now I would counter with, hey, you scheduling Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with you losing by nine points
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  Speaker 2: on the road to a four win team, and you did.
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  Speaker 2: You lost to Florida, who couldn't beat anybody there. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think they'd be left out
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  Speaker 1: because of the loss at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: That's not why Florida loss. But if they're sitting there
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  Speaker 2: at ten and two and they didn't play Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: they're probably getting in. They probably are even with the
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  Speaker 2: loss to Florida. But you also created your own resume
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  Speaker 2: ding and that has to factor into the conversation. You
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  Speaker 2: can't ignore it. Texas is not getting in again. Texas
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  Speaker 2: long Orange fans, I don't know if any of them
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  Speaker 2: are listening. You have a great argument here, but there's
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  Speaker 2: also a great argument against. You were splitting hairs here
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday, there's the hair split that's going to take
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  Speaker 2: place between Notre Dame versus Miami and the conversation that
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  Speaker 2: will be held there. I mean, they might end up
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  Speaker 2: both being out. I'll just warn you Notre Dame dropped
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  Speaker 2: in the polls for a reason. Tuesday, they're on blast.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame is rooting for Texas Tech like nobody's business
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  Speaker 2: because BYU could steal their spot in the tournament with
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  Speaker 2: a win over Texas Tech. Notre Dame's on the bubble.
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  Speaker 2: Being at number ten puts them officially on the bubble.
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  Speaker 2: They could be bounced out of this thing entirely if
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  Speaker 2: Alabama and BYU win. As a matter of fact, they
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  Speaker 2: did a poll, they did an analytical data poll on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN Wednesday morning and said, if Alabama and BYU win
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  Speaker 2: this weekend, Notre Dame has ready for this a zero
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  Speaker 2: percent chance. That makes my heart out of making the tournament.
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  Speaker 2: But odds are. Odds are It's coming down to Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame or Miami, I know, for the last spot. And
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  Speaker 2: I would just tell either fan base that yes, you've
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  Speaker 2: got a great argument because you want to head to
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  Speaker 2: head against Notre Dame and you have the exact same record.
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  Speaker 2: You have a great argument, Miami, Notre Dame, you have
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  Speaker 2: a great argument. You overcame an two start. The two
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  Speaker 2: games you lost, you lost on the last play of
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  Speaker 2: the year. You've won ten straight games, and you are
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  Speaker 2: mauling people right now. You look like by the eye
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  Speaker 2: test like you are absolutely one of the top ten
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  Speaker 2: teams twelve teams in the country, maybe one of the
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  Speaker 2: top four. That's what Notre Dame looks like right now.
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  Speaker 2: So if Notre Dame gets over Miami, no, we don't
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  Speaker 2: have some big controversy. They technically, in my opinion, have
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  Speaker 2: the better resume because they don't have a bad loss.
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  Speaker 2: Miami has a bad loss. They also playing a week conference.
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  Speaker 2: But if Miami where to get in, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear from Notre Dame people either. Nope, should have
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  Speaker 2: beat them. You should be in a conference. Well that's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest issue there. You should face better competition consistently.
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  Speaker 2: Good on you for scheduling Notre Dame and Texas A
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  Speaker 2: and M to start the year. Bet you didn't realize
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  Speaker 2: Texas A and M was that. Good. Good on you
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  Speaker 2: for doing that. College football fans, thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: For giving us that early in the season. But if
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  Speaker 2: you don't make it, facing your subpar schedule that you face,
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  Speaker 2: and your insistence on facing Stanford, an Army and Navy
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  Speaker 2: every year, that don't hold up against the competition that
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  Speaker 2: exists in the SEC and these in the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to just keep playing that game, as
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  Speaker 2: Brady Quinn said earlier this week, former Notre Dame fighting Irish,
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  Speaker 2: we have to go eleven in one if we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to be in a conference. Otherwise we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to face the fact we're probably going to be left out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's your own fault. You could join a conference.
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  Speaker 2: You could, but you're too arrogant.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear either way. Wherever that
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  Speaker 2: cookie crumbles, I want to hear it either way. There's
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  Speaker 2: an argument for it, there's an argument against. And then
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  Speaker 2: it isn't going to be the occasion mark to light
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  Speaker 2: the world on fire because of one of the worst
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  Speaker 2: hestlady of college football, right right. And then I would
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  Speaker 2: also because I think this is what enters the equation.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever you have such a tightly bunched thing that does
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  Speaker 2: allow for a little bit of bias, what happens. What
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  Speaker 2: happens always when you have these debates, your own personal
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  Speaker 2: biases come in and you convince yourself. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: been dealing with it off air with Bucky every single week.
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  Speaker 2: How's Texas Tech ahead of us? Yeah, he's an Orgon fan.
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  Speaker 2: How's How's Ole Miss ahead of us? They played the
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  Speaker 2: Citadel this week? Well, it's not who. You just played
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  Speaker 2: the entire resume of the season. And the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that's driving Bucky's feeling that Oregons get screwed even though
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  Speaker 2: they're clearly in right, is his own biases right toward
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  Speaker 2: his favorite team. And he's not some rabid Oregon fan,
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  Speaker 2: by the way he gets painted that way. We have
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  Speaker 2: fun with him, right, but he's not like some. He's
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  Speaker 2: not the softy of Oregon. He's not the softy of Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: He likes Oregon. He prefers them to Washington. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: think he has a duck sweatshirt. But he's not some
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  Speaker 2: rabid fan. And yet even he allows his biases. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many times off the air he said,
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  Speaker 2: how's Texas Tech? I had Oregon? Yeah, well, Texas Tech
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  Speaker 2: has a better resume than Oregon. They have three wins
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  Speaker 2: over top twenty five teams and they've won each of
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  Speaker 2: them by more than twenty points. I'd say that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: They have one loss Arizona State, and yeah, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a bad loss. They were eight and four this year.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, eight and four, But they also at
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  Speaker 2: the time had Sam Levitt, so they actually had their
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  Speaker 2: NFL caliber quarterback. They didn't have him for the second
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  Speaker 2: half of the season. They had them for Texas Tech
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  Speaker 2: and they beat Texas Tech. And although you do, as
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  Speaker 2: a committee have to say you lost to an eight
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  Speaker 2: and four team, that's part of the equation. That conversation,
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  Speaker 2: that eye test conversation does filter in and somebody has
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  Speaker 2: to bring up the fact that they lost to that team.
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  Speaker 2: But Arizona State was much better with an NFL caliber quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: Heisman candidate at the beginning of the year and Sam Levitt,
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  Speaker 2: so that does factor into the conversation. Texas Tech has
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  Speaker 2: a better resume than Oregon. And the only reason that
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  Speaker 2: a Duck fan would think that they don't is because
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  Speaker 2: they're a Duck fan.
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  Speaker 1: Right, just like any That's the only reason that Notre
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Dame fans would be mad if they get left out, Yes, anybody,
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  Speaker 1: it's because your bias is taking over.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm guilty of that too. Yeah, And I think
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  Speaker 2: the more emotion that you pour into your own favorite team,
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  Speaker 2: the more biased you are when it comes to these
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  Speaker 2: decisions you want. There is a huge difference between making
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: it into the college football Playoff and being left out. Yeah,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: that changes your life as a sports fan. But there
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: are gonna be teams left out, and whoever is left out,
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  Speaker 2: there is an argument, really sound argument for them being
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  Speaker 2: left out. And maybe there's a fifty point three percent
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: chance you're right, your team should have gotten in. There's
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: a forty nine point seven percent chance that now they
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  Speaker 2: didn't belong. Yeah, no, so yeah, there are arguments to
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  Speaker 2: be made for about five or six teams that are
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: probably gonna get screwed out of this thing. That's what's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody keeps talking about how Alabama can't have a loss
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  Speaker 2: to Georgia held against them because they earned the right
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  Speaker 2: to play another game this year. There's resume should be frozen.
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  Speaker 2: This is the ESPN bias. Of course, their resume should
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  Speaker 2: be frozen to where it is right now. They should
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  Speaker 2: not lose any ground. And yet you're gonna allow them
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  Speaker 2: to game ground, aren't you If they beat Georgia, toy
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  Speaker 2: George is gonna lose round, are they not? If Alabama
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  Speaker 2: beats them twice, don't they flip? I would assume so,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you assume so? Yeah? So, how can we not
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  Speaker 2: use the How can we not use a loss at
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  Speaker 2: this point? Even though they earned their way and by
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: the way, they earned their way ever so slightly, it
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  Speaker 2: was just a series of tiebreakers. It's not like they
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: were undefeated in the SEC and ol Mis lost two games. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was a series of mathematical tiebreakers is what put
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  Speaker 2: Alabama in the championship game to begin with. So if
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  Speaker 2: they lost a third game, when we're talking about an
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  Speaker 2: eyelash difference between them and the two or three four
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  Speaker 2: teams that are behind them, Yeah, I think that we
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  Speaker 2: should use that third loss. Yeah, against them, I would agree,
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  Speaker 2: because we're gonna You know, if that's the case, then
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  Speaker 2: why isn't BYU in Well, if BYU loses, why shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: they Yeah, they shouldn't be punished for losing eleven and one, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because we're freezing all the resumes. Yep, I guarantee you
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  Speaker 2: if they lose twice to Texas Tech by twenty points
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  Speaker 2: or more. There's no chance BYU's getting in, no chance
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  Speaker 2: BYU's getting in. They have to win on Saturday. So
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: somebody should tell their offense that. I mean, I would
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: love to see Vanderbilt in this thing. I would vote
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Diego Pavia the Heisman Trophy winner. I think he's the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: greatest story in college football right now, and I like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: seeing great stories rewarded. A ten and two Vanderbilt with
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  Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy runner up favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Look at what he's doing for their program too, just
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  Speaker 1: in general. They just got like the best recruit to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: decommit and commit to Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 2: Any Bargatzi has a lot to do with that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I'll give him a lot of credit.
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  Speaker 2: But but i'd like ste Vanderbilt in. They're probably not
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  Speaker 2: going to get in. They're probably not going There are
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  Speaker 2: going to be some teams that are worthy of being
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  Speaker 2: tournament teams. But I can promise you this, just to
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  Speaker 2: wrap up the conversation. If one of those four or
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  Speaker 2: five teams that doesn't get in doesn't get in, it's
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  Speaker 2: for a very good reason. It's not because of biases
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  Speaker 2: or idiots or anything like that. It is very difficult
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  Speaker 2: to try to figure out who the twelve spots belong to.
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  Speaker 2: And there is eyelash difference between some of these resumes,
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  Speaker 2: and the committee is going to do its best, and
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  Speaker 2: if they screw up, in my opinion, I'll criticize them
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  Speaker 2: for it. That's part of the fun. But I just
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  Speaker 2: don't want people getting carried away with their biases, because
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  Speaker 2: that's all they truly are. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't put yourself in those shoes of someone
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  Speaker 1: on a committee and then try to say that you
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  Speaker 1: would do a better job, because your biases would sneak
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  Speaker 1: in for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Sando is next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
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  Speaker 2: Bull Hunts Now with Mike. Here's Chuck and Bud.
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  Speaker 3: Are I.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, and yes it's our Thursday treat of checking
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  Speaker 2: you do. Mike Sando is with us right here on
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  Speaker 2: Chucking Buck. Hello, Michael, good morning.
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  Speaker 8: How we doing.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing all right? Say that, wouldn't you say that
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  Speaker 2: the average person that thinks that they like football more
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: than you would, you like push them down and taunt them.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean just just being a professional with
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  Speaker 8: that resume, you know. I mean, there's just no one
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  Speaker 8: who can compare. Clearly, I don't think anymore. I honestly don't.
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  Speaker 8: People are people are so crazed.
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  Speaker 2: It's great.
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  Speaker 8: Whenever we meet a we call them super fan. The
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  Speaker 8: superfan is somebody who really is into it. It's always
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  Speaker 8: so great because, I mean their interest is the key
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  Speaker 8: to all of this working, you know, So that's true.
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  Speaker 8: I love it when we find people that are totally
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  Speaker 8: into it, passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. Well, man, I think everybody's excited for this
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  Speaker 2: game tonight. And it's not like it's the two best
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  Speaker 2: teams in the National Football League, but man, it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like maybe playoff could be on
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  Speaker 2: the line, playoff spot. If you lose this game, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you are on the outside looking in. And I think
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  Speaker 2: points are going to be scored all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: This is a Thursday night football game. You can sink
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  Speaker 2: your teeth and it is.
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  Speaker 8: This almost feels like Thanksgiving matchup, doesn't it. These teams
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  Speaker 8: are always on Thanksgiving, not playing each other, but I'm
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  Speaker 8: with you. I think you know, Dallas is kind of
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  Speaker 8: a fun, interesting team. They've beaten Philly in Kansas City
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  Speaker 8: in their last couple of games, and now you know,
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  Speaker 8: Detroit has their issues, but it's another preseason kind of,
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  Speaker 8: you know, super Bowl type team. So it's I'm kind
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  Speaker 8: of curious to see the Cowboys defense. It feels like
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  Speaker 8: it's been better but could be really exposed again in
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  Speaker 8: this game by you know, probably a pretty complete Lions offense.
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  Speaker 8: So I I love this one. This week, this seems
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  Speaker 8: I just feel like they've done the league has done
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  Speaker 8: probably a better job or maybe gotten luckier this year
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  Speaker 8: with having better matchups in primetime just overall, you know,
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  Speaker 8: they've given Monday Night football better games. This is a
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  Speaker 8: Thursday game that doesn't feel like one of those Houston
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  Speaker 8: Jacksonville ones we've gotten over the years.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, man, it used to be so bad it
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  Speaker 2: was like they purposely picked the worst game on the
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  Speaker 2: schedule to put on Thursdays.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, like Miami against Houston. You're like, okay, you
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  Speaker 8: know whatever, they both lost too in a row. You know,
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  Speaker 8: this is really really fun. So I'm with you. I
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  Speaker 8: love this and I think It's been that way this
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  Speaker 8: year with better games.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Seahawks play the Falcons on Sunday. Are you,
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  Speaker 2: as each week progresses here, are you getting more impressed
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  Speaker 2: by the defense or more concerned about the Seahawks offense,
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  Speaker 2: which has not performed as well here in the last
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  Speaker 2: three weeks.
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  Speaker 8: A little more concerned about the offense. Okay, I think
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  Speaker 8: this is a good test this week. They're playing a
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  Speaker 8: team that number one Rahiem Morris interviewed for the Seahawks job.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's probably studied them a little bit.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously, he's with the Rams, so he's going to know them.
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  Speaker 8: Their defensive coordinators Jeff Olbrook, who was a linebacker on
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  Speaker 8: the forty nine ers for years, definitely knows this. You
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  Speaker 8: know this division. Their offensive coordinator is Zach Robinson, who
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  Speaker 8: comes from Sean mcfash. So there's a lot of familiarity
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  Speaker 8: here between these teams that you wouldn't think about necessarily
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  Speaker 8: just looking at the matchup. So I think Seattle has
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  Speaker 8: got solved pretty much offensively with Brian Flores. No Darnold
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  Speaker 8: right made it uncomfortable. It seemed like they batted down
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  Speaker 8: about every other past They just had a beat on it,
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  Speaker 8: and they were the first team that really took Jack
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  Speaker 8: Smith and Jigba, not that they needed him to have
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  Speaker 8: a big game, but two catches, you know, twenty some
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  Speaker 8: yards coming off of the Ram game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think this is one of those where, look,
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  Speaker 8: you're Seattle, You're going to finish this season with the Colts,
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  Speaker 8: the Rams, Panthers, and forty nine ers. So their final
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  Speaker 8: four games are all against teams that have winning records
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  Speaker 8: right now, and so this is another one of those
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  Speaker 8: games against Atlanta where you have a chance to put
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  Speaker 8: everything together. Tennessee, they did that early, They're up thirty
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  Speaker 8: to ten or something, but it ends up being thirty
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  Speaker 8: twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a little.
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  Speaker 8: Worried about the offense, but I just want to see
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  Speaker 8: it do be a little bit more consistent and knucket solved.
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta just is in a bad place right now. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I personally editorializing here. I don't think Ray Morris
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  Speaker 2: is going to make it through the off season. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand how an organization couldn't best that much
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  Speaker 2: draft capital hi top ten draft pick and their offense
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  Speaker 2: and their skill positions, and then hire a defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: Why is it that the Atlanta Falcons always seem to
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  Speaker 2: be a hot mess.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think that they're you know, we talked
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  Speaker 8: about Raheem Morris. I just think they're GM. Terry Fonteno
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  Speaker 8: has been there since twenty twenty one. He came from
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  Speaker 8: the Saints. I'm sure he did a good job with
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  Speaker 8: whatever his job was. But as a GM, they've made
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  Speaker 8: moves that just instantly, you know, win against best practices.
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  Speaker 8: And what I mean by that is just continually using
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  Speaker 8: top ten picks for running backs, tight ends, why even
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  Speaker 8: wide receiver for where they're at in their team, needing
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  Speaker 8: to get better on the lines, and so that put
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  Speaker 8: them in a position this last draft where oh we
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  Speaker 8: got we really need extra lignement on defense, so let's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: trade a first rounder this year.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 8: They just made moves like chasing bad decisions with bad decisions,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: bad money with bad money. And now they've lost one, two, three, five,
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  Speaker 8: six of their last seven and they're going to finish
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  Speaker 8: by the way, They've got Seattle, Tampa and the Rams
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  Speaker 8: among their remaining games. So I'm with you. I think
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  Speaker 8: it looks looks bleak for them. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 8: think Raheem Morris was a good coaching candidate. I was
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  Speaker 8: very supportive of him getting a job, But I've been
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  Speaker 8: a little bit, you know. I was more impressed with
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  Speaker 8: him the candidate than I have been as him in
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  Speaker 8: this job. I thought he was a great candidate as
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  Speaker 8: a second chance guy. Seems like he's got good leadership,
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  Speaker 8: you know, and it's just not working for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 8: You know, some of the reasons. He got to have
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  Speaker 8: a good quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: But still, yeah, Mike Sander was with us. Our NFL
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: insider joins us every Thursday thanks to Hunts Services. Does
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and Cincinnati have enough time to get back
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  Speaker 2: in this thing? I got a big game against Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a fun quarterback matchup, but I'm
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: wondering if there's more to it than just a quarterback matchup.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think they can do it from four and eight.
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  Speaker 8: I think the margin of air is too small for
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  Speaker 8: a team that really still does have defensive issues. Now,
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  Speaker 8: their defense played better this last week. They did beat Baltimore,
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  Speaker 8: so but they got Baltimore again. Do you think they're
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  Speaker 8: going to sweep Baltimore?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not.
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  Speaker 8: They've got Buffalo. You know, Miami's been playing better. Even
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  Speaker 8: Cleveland has a good defense, so I think they're gonna lose,
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  Speaker 8: you know, at least one more game, even with Joe
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  Speaker 8: Burrow coming back. That puts you at eight to nine.
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  Speaker 8: I just don't see that doing it.
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  Speaker 2: How do you handicap the AFC South right now? Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Houston.
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  Speaker 2: Who's your favorite to come out of there? Now? They're
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  Speaker 2: only a game apart.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Houston's the best team, but they're they're
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  Speaker 8: one game behind the Edits so to me, I still
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  Speaker 8: think it's Houston and Indy all. I may lean towards Houston.
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  Speaker 8: I just think they're so good on defense. We'll see
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  Speaker 8: this week they play Kansas City, will definitely have a
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  Speaker 8: better feel. I think they're in good position with the
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  Speaker 8: Chiefs offensive line hurting to maybe get that, and if
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  Speaker 8: they do, then I really like them. I think it's pivotal.
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  Speaker 8: If they don't beat Kan's City this week, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I may lean towards one of the other teams.
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  Speaker 2: Same question, but the same question about the NFC North.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are the Bears really this good? I'm not
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  Speaker 2: buying it yet.
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  Speaker 8: No, they're definitely not. But I think I wrote this
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  Speaker 8: in my pic six column on Monday. I wouldn't measure
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  Speaker 8: them that way. I think there are they making progress.
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  Speaker 8: Do you like what's going on with this coach? Yes,
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  Speaker 8: but but I'm with you, you know, of I think
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  Speaker 8: I looked at this this last week. You know, their
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  Speaker 8: record is way better than like what their point differential is.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so sometimes you.
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  Speaker 8: Guard, you measure your record and you look for a
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  Speaker 8: couple of other things like point differential. Does it all
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  Speaker 8: line up? And it really doesn't for them. I think
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  Speaker 8: of all the teams that are nine and three, they're
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  Speaker 8: like plus six in point differential, and it's like the
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  Speaker 8: third worst you know, either on record or for decades
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  Speaker 8: or something. So that tells you that they're a little
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: bit of a mirage. But I still think it's a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 8: good mirage for them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, six teams with nine wins or more than
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  Speaker 2: three of them and are in our division. So what
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  Speaker 2: do you how do you what do you make of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Ram Seahawks forty nine ers? Obviously if I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: ask you about the NFC North, I got to ask
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  Speaker 2: you about the NFC West.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think the Rams open the door for Seattle
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: now to win the rematch. On a short week when
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: they play on that Thursday night, and maybe Seattle can
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: win the division. Now, I think it was going to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: be the Rams until they lost to Carolina. It's still
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: you know, it's still maybe fifty to fifty. I don't
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: think that the Ford Niners will do it, but they've
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: already beat Seattle on the Rams, so you know, I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: think they're an interesting team. Eight and two in the conference,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: pretty good. But I do think it's going to come
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: down to sealing the Rams. It's probably fifty to fifty.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: I probably go fifty one to forty nine Rams because
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: they got the win already against Seattle, but I think
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: sales trending in the right direction to maybe get it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, another great week on TAP and the
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  Speaker 2: National Football League. Never a dull moment, is there, Mike,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: there's not.
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  Speaker 8: And I just want to say, hey, happy holidays to everybody.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: I love coming on and doing this every week, and oh,
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  Speaker 8: I hope you guys have a great week, great weekend,
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  Speaker 8: and some good Seahawk ball this weekend, and let's enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: It, all right. I love it. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Mike Sando, our NFL insider joins us every
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