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Episode 235: Can Hunting Save Our Connection to Nature? · Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: This episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive Species Center, protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species.
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  SPEAKER_01: Freedom Cruise Canada, rent the boat, own the memories, and JMB Cycle a Marine, your home for all things power sports, boats, and equipment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now, another exciting episode in the adventures of Outdoor Journal Radio.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the program, another wonderful episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: This one's off the charts, I'll guarantee you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you why here in a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is Peter Bowman, I manager of Biola.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're listening to Outdoor Journal Radio, the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're going to be uh speaking to a couple of fellow entrepreneurs, uh, fellow producers, fellow outdoors people here in a few moments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um their uh names are Joel and Ryan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm gonna mispronounce it, but that's okay because they do too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm calling it Primus, but they call it Primus.
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  SPEAKER_01: They call it a variety of different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll find out.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll get it from the horse's mouth.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes, we need to get that straightened out.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's the biggest part of the whole day, right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're uh co-hosts of a wonderful program that's on Prime uh streaming service right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Joel himself is a Canadian uh filmmaker, entrepreneur, and author um of uh publications.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Ryan is the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_01: His cousin Ryan is the total opposite of his work.
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  SPEAKER_05: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Right?
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a great combo.
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  SPEAKER_05: They're a great combo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Total opposite.
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  SPEAKER_01: One drags his knuckles on the ground, and the other one has his hands in the pocket all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the only way I can describe it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um great, great, great characters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but they're real life characters, they're not just television characters, they're real life characters, and a wealth of uh um uh information is going to be garnered today by us, their fans and viewers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll be joining us here very shortly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh before we do any of that, uh I do want to remind folks uh that the store here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: The store is uh in a good spot these days.
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  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all I want to say.
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  SPEAKER_01: All that new stuff is up and on up and then on and in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's all I'm gonna say.
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  SPEAKER_01: All over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was the uh adjunct store uh manager.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not adjunct anymore, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're not adjunct.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're full blown.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, full junk.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're full junk store manager, he's all junk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh full junk store.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, full junk store manager.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh the hoodies look great.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are just phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, we want to have a peek, go to uh the store.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's uh at fishingcanada.com, or you can go to shop.fishingcanada.com and get all your goodies, your merch there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes, indeed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh season 40.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh well upon us.
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  SPEAKER_01: We could probably start dropping that from the I think we should be talking about season 41.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never mind season 40.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is so far behind us.
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  SPEAKER_05: Do talk about that quite a bit, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Whoever writes these things can start eliminating that.
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  SPEAKER_05: I write the songs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_05: What was that?
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  SPEAKER_05: The words that been.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a beautiful rendition of that uh that little phrase there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you can you give us a few more bars?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you hum?
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  SPEAKER_05: Can you hum a few bars?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'd have to do my metal.
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  SPEAKER_05: Serenity now! There! That is Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Costan's at his best.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh listener feedback.
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  SPEAKER_05: That would be a great line in a metal song.
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  SPEAKER_05: Surrender with his voice.
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  SPEAKER_05: That would be so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, listener feedback in response to Ontario's digital licensing announcement, which we had on this program.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the minister himself was here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, Mike Harris Jr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is from Frontier Fishing with Ryan MAD.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Via YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now.
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  SPEAKER_01: The YouTube?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that worth anything?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the fact that you know, feedback.
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  SPEAKER_05: YouTube and feedback.
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  SPEAKER_01: Reminder look again because I have a short.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you determine uh whether it falls into that category or the other?
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, look at this.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's no question.
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  SPEAKER_05: This is not a question, what Ryan Mack has uh has said here.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's a zero question here.
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  SPEAKER_05: He's uh commending yet saying, Why are you so slow?
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  SPEAKER_05: is what he's saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I just read that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh he says, I am uh very surprised.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ontario has taken this long to digitize fishing and hunting licenses, tags, and draws.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have been utilizing digitized system in Alberta for the past five years already, and it works great.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I guess there is a question there to be had.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is why the hell did we wait five years if Alberta already has it going?
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  SPEAKER_05: We have to get Mike back on there for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the question.
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  SPEAKER_04: Let them work out all the bugs.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh we took on the finished product.
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  SPEAKER_05: But he says it looks great.
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if he said it's worked great since day one, five years, but he says it works great.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it the bugs have been worked out.
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  SPEAKER_05: Now, were there many bugs to begin with?
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  SPEAKER_05: We don't know about that.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's a good uh a good point.
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  SPEAKER_05: But obviously, if it works great, then I think it's making everybody's life a little easier.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's the world of digital right now, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: So speaking of you and I don't have to buy fishing lessons anymore.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Digital, what the hell's that shit?
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  SPEAKER_01: We finally got something back.
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  SPEAKER_06: So nice.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh driving back from the north last week, I made a comment to the boys at one point about the amount of purple loose strife that was along the roadside.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I haven't seen it in a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, it's an invasive species.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hell yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at one point, it was like the invasive species that we needed to be vigilant about.
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  SPEAKER_01: But looks like it I don't know, maybe we've accepted it, maybe I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the only reason I bring it up is because of this invasive carp problem that we may or may or maybe.
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  SPEAKER_05: One of our many invasive problems that we have in the invasive species world, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: One of many.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh I'm I got uh just go back to that purple loose stripe.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like, was it a an abnormal amount?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, you couldn't go everywhere along the roads like in ditches?
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  SPEAKER_01: You could not go 200 yards without it being on one side or the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and some small patches, yeah, yeah, the size of this desk.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then there were some patches that were like hundreds of feet long.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's scary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of it.
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  SPEAKER_05: But it was all in the ditch part, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: It's always in that wet.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the culvert, the culvert to whatever you want to call them along the side roads.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd I and you know, we've been traveling those roads for years, and maybe it was just me.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, no, it's not you because I'd notice it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I wouldn't notice it.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, I would if I saw it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like everything's purple.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: All of a sudden.
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  SPEAKER_05: The problem with this and uh typically a lot of invasive things is this looks nice.
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  SPEAKER_05: You're driving along, just oh my god, look at the purple flowers on the road.
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  SPEAKER_05: It just looks great, you know what I mean, to the eye that's never seen it before.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I can't lie, they're very pretty flowers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: See?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love purple.
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  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_05: It looks so good, but yeah, they have no idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people might say that about carp, the grass carp.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought I saw some in some woman's garden, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're trying hard on me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your grandmother's uh garden.
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  SPEAKER_01: I keep telling her that's an invasive species.
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  SPEAKER_05: She does not have a purple loose stripe in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, that's purple loose stripe.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I paid to have that put there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, I'm just telling you, uh from my limited experience in the outdoors, that sure as hell looks like purple loose stripe to me.
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  SPEAKER_05: You should get a pond on the back and put an invasive carp in there too, and have it swimming around with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that would be the perfect combo.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, beautiful backyard there, buddy.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're not so inclined, then I suggest that you go to invasivecarp.ca and learn more about the real invasive invasives right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of them is the grass carp, and you need to know more about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you don't need to hear it necessarily just from us.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to go there and inform yourself from that wonderful site.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: We have yet to see one, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yet.
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  SPEAKER_05: But we're working on it.
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  SPEAKER_05: We're working on it.
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  SPEAKER_05: We're looking, we're looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll get the before the well, hopefully not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully we won't.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, hopefully we won't ever see one.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: J and B cycle, we were in their uh neck of the woods uh last week.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: We drove through and by and around uh Timmins.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Did you?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, we were in that area general.
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  SPEAKER_01: Close ish.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: We might have even gone in.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on the way back home, we had to because uh circle came.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the construction Yeah, just out just outside of Cochrane, the road was closed.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a shocker where when Trans Canada gets shut down, like for construction.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it did.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so yeah, we went through Timmins.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I only mentioned that because JMB cycle, uh the leader in boat motor trailer packages in this neck of the woods, they maybe even be the largest in the country.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Princecraft and Mercury packages are all over the place at JMB, whether it's online or in their physical stores in Sudbury or Timmins, you need to, especially this time of year.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not saying this season's over, but it's there's more uh behind us than there is ahead of us, which is the perfect time to be thinking about a new a new rig.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_05: I bet you that I bet you robbing the boys and girls to give you a deal.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_05: I bet a little bit of a deal.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_05: I bet you.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_05: And then they're not just boats and motors and trailers, by the way.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_05: They are everything in there.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_05: They have everything boating, they got fishing supplies, they got snowmobile, ATV, they got everything there.
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  SPEAKER_05: So pretty impressive place.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: They even had some stuff that I used to carry in a store, and I said, Whoa, I haven't seen that for a while.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what it is.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: They got a lot of good stuff, anyways.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh JBcycle.com, if you're going to connect with them online.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jbcycle.com.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna uh visit one of their stores, JNB Cycle and Marine.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they bring you the news, and the news uh is very interesting, very interesting.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: I like this one, but kind of predictable.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the news is 21-year-old smallmouth question mark.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh new studies suggest Great Lakes bass are living longer than expected.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we kind of always expected the life cycle of a bass, smallmouth, more so than largemouth.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do tend to live a little bit longer, but we always thought it was anywhere between five and ten years.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was kind of the uh the area that uh we were told.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, lo and behold, uh studies out of the uh Queen's University found that uh many uh black bass, uh black bass uh uh in in Canadian is a largemouth bass.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's both both.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both of both.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's bass bass.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh caught in the Great Lakes uh tournaments are much older.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_05: Like Mike Tyson talking about there.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of Mike Tyson, I saw him in a in uh in a trailer for something.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what was it?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's making not making a comeback, but he's involved some in some promotion or something.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: He looked great actually for his age, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, anyways, uh older than expected researchers uh that studied largemouth and smallmouth bass uh from eastern Ontario and the St.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lawrence River.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we've been saying that for a number of years.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's Gobies, and they're saying that Goby could have a lot to do with it, um, or something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those fish are getting bigger, and bigger generally equates to age as well as food.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe it's a combination of a couple of things, but food definitely plays a major role in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, and Gobies would be the item.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because I I'd imagine they're growing to a point now where there's not a long period of their life when they're prey, like they get so big so fast that they're on the St.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: Lawrence like Muskie would be definitely, yeah.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean I I think where a lot of these smallmouth are, I don't see them having like huge predator sources.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, you know what?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_05: You got a good point.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Although one thing that I uh as I'm reading through this article that looks clear to me, um, aside from the Gobies, obviously that's an issue.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not an issue.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's it's it's got to be one of the underlying uh reasons for the growth.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: But tournament angling, which is pretty much the only way that the research uh is able to be conducted, because they use fish that have died during tournaments to do their studies.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're not killing fish to uh dissect them, they're using fish that they uh recover from tournament sites.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's always uh some fish that die through whatever reasons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now maybe it is old age, by the way, that they're finding out because the most of the fish that are dying and and uh tested from tournaments are the bigger, older fish, so that might have something to do with it.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I think because they're getting fewer and fewer of these mortalities during tournaments, I think possibly, I could be wrong, that the ones that are dying are the oldest fish that just could not put up with the stress of surviving a tournament.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: So those three and four pounders, you know, four and a half pounders, they get beat up they have stand a better chance of survival than a twenty-one-year-old uh fish that's pretty much lived out its life cycle and it's five and a half to six pounds, and it gets beat up in a in a live well, it's probably more apt to pass away from mishandling, right?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_05: You know, though I do I will commend the tournament world nowadays, the bass tournament especially.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know about walleye or anything else, but they are taking so many precautions for keeping their fish healthy and like pool noodles.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: They're taking pool noodles and cutting them up and laying layers of pool noodles in the top of the letting afloat so that when the fish comes up and hits something, he's hitting the foam instead of hitting the top of the live wheel that they're putting oxygenators in there, they're but they're using all these new funky tactics that that keep their fish fresh, alive, and better for transport.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the fish that do die probably had other underlying reasons other than just the tournament capture, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe, just maybe they happen to be older and they're pretty much at the end of their cycle anyways.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like a 21-year-old smallmouth bass, he is he's not as strong as he was when he was, you know, eight, six, you know, that's for sure.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it might have something to do with that.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: But regardless what it is, studies do show us that the population of black bass or bass in general, um, are definitely older than we thought.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And 21.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's for a that's awesome.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's crazy.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's insanity.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: Wonder if uh I wonder if, like, I know smallmouth will bite at nighttime, but I don't know if they're a regular nighttime eater.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um I wonder if the no, I guess because I was thinking maybe global warming, you know, might have something to do with it too, but I don't think that would.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't make the time of day any longer.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_05: No, it does make the growing season longer.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: Like it literally does do that, right?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: Back back in the day, March was still frozen almost everywhere.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_05: Now in Lake Ontario, that eastern basin, they're talking about in March, it's breaking up.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's old the bays are all open, and the smallmouth are already in these bays, and they're eating for sure.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_05: So maybe that's helping too that there's a longer growing season by a couple months as compared to 25 years ago.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you're saying that that might attribute to the longevity?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_05: No or size.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: Size.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'm talking about size now.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: But how about age?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_05: Nah, I don't.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's just it is what it is, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know how they'd I don't know how you could judge it, right?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: So a 21-year-old is an anomaly.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um like 100 and something-year-old person.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: How does right how does a person live to be a hundred as opposed to 70?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, good life, you know, uh eating right, uh sleeping right, uh, doing all the right things.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Good genetics.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: We know good genetics.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Genetics makes a big one.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so if we're noticing a difference in age in our freshwater fish or bass in particular, then are they doing something right?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: And could that something right be gobies?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, maybe it's a good uh protein, right?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's a good source of uh protein or whatever it is that they elixir.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you know what I mean.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, it's I think the first step is finding out that they are getting out.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_05: How do we know that 20 years ago there wasn't a 21-year-old bass out there already?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you know who would know though?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Dr.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Cook.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Dr.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_05: Cook would come on now.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe this is something, uh Dean, maybe there's something that we could bring him on for and do a little fish talk with uh the doc on this.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_05: I like it.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_05: That'd be a very interesting one.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: That that alone, you know what I mean?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_05: Just a small mo and then breaking off into each species, another podcast for muskies, another podcast for pike.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_05: That'd be very cool.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: I think it'd be really neat to learn.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_05: I know they do a lot of bass studies, we but we might be able to do that.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe at some point we could have the definitive podcast.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: We could say, all right, based on all of our research, now we can firmly say to you that muskie will in this part of the country will live to be 50.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_05: Because they eat 21-year-old smallmouth.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because they eat 21-year-old smallmouth.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's an interesting podcast.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know where you were going with that, but I'm gonna I'll give you a bunch of podcasts.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_05: I think we could really branch out here.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna send it off to fad question of the week, my friend.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_05: The fad question is Stephen Mallor, 7059, uh, via YouTube.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_05: So, Angelo, no, no, no, and no.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Pete comes up.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_05: No, it is actually a contender.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_05: This is the one I've been waiting for.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_05: Why are you saying poo-poo today?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's YouTube.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, YouTube.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, it's yes, yes, and yes.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, yes, yes, and yes.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, so Stephen Mallor.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, can we make a round of applause for Stephen, uh, Stephen?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I mean it's been so long.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: It has been a while, yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's been so long, thank you.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's been so long that I even forgot who's even screwed it up.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Carry on.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, watching Pete handle fish, handle a fish.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-oh.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_05: I wonder if you guys ever get the hooks in the hand.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it doesn't matter who's handling a fish in our boat.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm not the one handling it, I'm always worried.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I watch you sometimes.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and I the first thing coming to my mind, oh, I hope that fish isn't too good.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, Steven is saying the same thing.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_05: Am I gonna get stuck, right?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm very so the question is very rarely, Stephen, do we get stuck with a hook?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: Very when was the last time we either one of us got?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm gonna give you an instance that I was out last weekend on my own, and this is but this is totally a fluke, an anomaly.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_05: As I lipped a largemouth that I caught on a plastic, and the hook was actually through his cheek, and it cut me.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: It didn't go in me, but it was cut.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, those are nasty.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, that was a nasty.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: I wondered what the hell happened and I saw this the hook sticking out, but it wasn't out enough that, anyways.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I had to go to the hospital for one of those once on uh uh Red River channel cat fishing.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because exactly that, because I went to remove it, somehow the pliers and I slipped, and I caught the tip and it just ripped my thumb right open all the way down.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_05: Is that the same shoot you had one in your leg, two a treble hook in your leg?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: He had a double going on that one.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: He was lucky, he was the worst for for ever getting them.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_05: So, but but Steven, I I mean, I'm very confident in the way I I've learned through time that you have to grab walleye, pike, muskie, even when you hold a muskie up for a picture, you try to net them and all that stuff.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: That there you definitely you have to grab them a certain way.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not not just for the hooks, because you you're you are protecting number one, you want to be as easy as you can to the fish.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_05: So there is some techniques that you can use that you that doesn't harm the fish, or at least it's been proven that it, you know, through science that this is the way to do it.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_05: But it's also for your hand, and it's not just the hooks.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um uh walleye is the worst of them all.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's got the teeth, it's got the uh the gill plate, that gill rake, whatever it is, that thing that's just friggin' razor sharp.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_05: And his dorsal fins, his and her dorsal dorsal fins, pike of the same thing.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: Pike fins.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's got everything.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh walleye's got everything sticking out.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he's got he's a weapon uh uh for sure.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_05: And the pike, I mean, pike and muskie.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's just a matter of you've got to get used to to grabbing that fish, and you've got to be confident in doing so because you have to remember that that fish, the odds are that fish is gonna thrash.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're not confident and that fish does thrash, it's gonna go out of your hand, and it's gonna maybe go into the lake, it may, it might go into your boat, it might slice the shit out of your hands because he's got gill rakers inside there, he's got teeth inside there, and all that.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm confident in my grip, and when when I the whereabouts and when I grab it, I know right there that fish is not gonna go anywhere.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: He's just and I'm gonna be very careful that I when I belly the fish, gotta be as try as I best I can to make as little movement as possible and then get it back as fast.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's I think the biggest thing we can say is if you commit, commit.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Don't play with it.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you have to get it.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_05: You are going to grip of steel on it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You have got to commit.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever position it is, wherever you're grabbing the fish, it's got to be a full commitment.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you're half assed, if you're half fast.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Half-hearted with it, you're gonna get hurt.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So when I watch Pete, even though I do still get nervous, only because of our history and we know that when you least expect it, something could happen.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, when I watch Pete, I'm not quite as nervous as I am a novice, a novice angler, because of the commitment factor, right?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: When you when you grab, you gotta grab with authority, especially a bass where you're lipping it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you gotta grab with authority.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now, speaking of thrashing and fish getting away and jumping, I may have had the worst experience with that this past week on our shoot.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it probably won't make the show, but then again, it just might because there weren't a whole lot of fish caught.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had an insane fish, small, small fish, small walleye.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um got him in the net, and I was a little worried it was on a hard bait.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was a little worried, you know.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_05: Travel hooks everywhere, travel hooks everywhere.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: But that was our that went extremely well.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the fish was the perfect patient.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like the fish understood, okay, if I don't thrash around, Dr.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Viola is gonna save me.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because he just laid there and I was able to pull everything off.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so that got in the net at this time.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was just perfect, he was just perfect, and then of course, you know, you got to get the hero shot, right?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to pick him up, and from that point on, Dean, Nick.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: The only way you can describe it is the fish went totally insane.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I envisioned, I didn't see it from the camera's point of view, but I certainly saw it from mine.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: It will it will make a wonderful little uh I don't know, 13-second uh piece on on Twitter or something where this crazy angler is trying whatever.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this crazy angler is trying to juggle this this walleye and it's and it's just it's going under and it's flopping everywhere.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh uh flopped uh finally got flopped into the lake.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a feisty little bugger.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, small fish.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but uh it waited, it was smart, it knew.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was trained.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Get these hooks out of me and then once once you get these hooks out of me, I got freedom.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Watch me go.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I will assume I grabbed them in the air three or four times before.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta see that.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_05: I can't wait to see that footage.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's all uh it's confidence.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta grab them with confidence and uh and experience, it helps a lot too.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways, uh thank you, Stephen uh Mellor7059 via YouTube.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh does that mean that uh Steven via the YouTube qualifies so qualified?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously so so was it a good question, though.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: It led to so much riveting discussion.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh truthfully, how else can you judge the quality of a question?
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a I'm a yay.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a yay.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_06: Give me a hell yeah!
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Four yes.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Steven, you get uh the whatever it is that we're giving you.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm sure it'll be wonderful.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it'll be wonderful.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh rest assured it's gonna be wonderful.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Way to go, Steven.
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• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Alrighty, now to the exciting part of the show.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've been waiting uh for the last month almost, it seems.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, from when we first had contact with them, I got it all excited and I and uh I've been anticipating this for a while.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So uh without further ado, uh Joel and Ryan, primus or primus, depending on which one of them you talk to, because they do pronounce it differently sometimes.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Joel, Joel is a uh Canadian uh filmmaker.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I talked about it at the beginning of the program.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's an entrepreneur author as well.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And Ryan is a long life hunter, outdoorsman, you know, living off the land kind of guy.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I pictured him like he doesn't use he doesn't use deodorant and lumberjacket on the dragons every day of his life from uh Prince Georgia, British Columbia.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: And they host this um incredibly captivating series that uh certainly caught me for sure on uh Prime um called Finding Nowhere.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So let's find out about the people who are finding nowhere.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the program, boys.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having you.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh fun fact, Ryan, he might not use deodorant, but he does moisturize.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow, it's gotta yeah, you have to moisturize, right?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah, yeah.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Those uh northern winters are hard on my skin, especially on the legs, eh?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: They get it a little bristly.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: What's the deal?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_05: I gotta ask right off the bat what Ann said there.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_05: Do you both pronounce your last names different?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: He actually he he did say it wrong because we the argument has always been Primus Primus.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Primus has never really entered the conversation, so I grew up as a Primus, Joel grew up as a primus, and uh I I've kind of I've kind of like flowed towards the primus end of things because it seems to happen more naturally for people to pronounce it that way.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: Primus would be the origin, right?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: That would be the origin of the name, right?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, true, and nobody would use that.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: We're off the mark either way, right?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's like me with Viola Viola.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's uh um very complicated, you guys, yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations on you know, and I and I'm I don't want people to think that I'm overblowing this because after all, it's you know, it's just another one of the billions of uh you know productions that are on uh on cable television or or uh streaming services across the world.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: But congratulations on being able to capture something that I don't think many producers have.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Your product is so in your face, it's so gritty.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you know, I'll be watching an episode and I'm thinking, uh, they I think they went a little bit too far on this one.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then by the time of the episode, I said, wow.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: That was yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: To me, it's so down-to-earth and gritty and and real, and I know self-deprecating in your part, I'm sure, a little bit uh Joel, when when you you know overplay sometimes the the part of being a novice, but but by the end of the episode, I'm bought in.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's the important thing, is that I bought in.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: So uh tell us a little bit about the series we'll get to in a moment, but I think there's a fascinating story that I'd like to get into here.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is not your first uh shot at this.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is not the first time you've gone to the dance with a production.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: What have you done in the past um along these lines?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the very first time I I did a production, I wasn't the one producing it, I was uh I was on it and it was Dragon's Den.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I this is going back a minute, 2008, and and I had this underwear line called Naked.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I got I auditioned, I got onto Dragon's Den.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: So the producers of the show told me if you want this episode to air, you need to do the pitch in your underwear.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I won't national TV and stripped down, and I was called delusional.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's my first foray into uh television.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how did it go?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: How did that work out for you?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, it's one of those things where so Arlene Dickinson, she said, I think I think a brand like Naked comes around once in a lifetime, and and she actually offered to buy 100% of it.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we didn't get that deal done, as many of the deals on Dragon's Den don't get done in the aftermath.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: It just kind of gets caught up in the bureaucracy of the deal itself.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Is it more about diligence?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is it more of a marketing opportunity for entrepreneurs, really, at the end of the day?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's all you want, right?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: Really.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: And it was fantastic for us.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: It launched the company.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and uh, you know, I'm forever grateful for having had that that chance.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Is it still going?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is it still going today?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it it's in it's in a revival uh format, actually.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a I have a company called Naked Revival, and it actually has a corresponding uh TV show coming out.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: But um, you know, I I don't want to ramble on too much, but but how it all uh kind of played out was I um before I'd done that, I was traveling the world trying to make a film called Project World Citizen about about the importance of travel.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I found some underwear, and that's what inspired when I was down in Peru.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: And and it it inspired starting the underwear business, which got me on that show, which took me on another track.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: And when I sold the company the first time, um, I went back and I finished that film.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it, and but this time around, I had a couple of kids and a wife.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: And so we changed the premise for my brother and I to the importance of family travel and why we should take our kids around the world if we can, if we're so fortunate to.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so that that show called Raising Global Citizens was my first production that I did.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um and uh, you know, I had a tough lesson with it because I finished it and it took a long time, many years.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I put it in all these film festivals, or I applied for all these film festivals, and I was rejected by like 20 of them.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh I was like, what am I doing wrong?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's it's all like this is beautiful stuff.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I realized that I hadn't told a story.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: I had I had a bunch of great things together in a row, and it wasn't a story.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so I I went back into the editing room with uh with our team and we we we retold the story, and then it won a bunch of awards.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_03: And so um I learned I learned how the the hard lesson of story, and it was a very expensive and uh uh lesson to learn, but that that kind of led us into the situation with um with Ryan here.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So just to set the record straight here, and I mentioned at the top of the show, uh uh Ryan and uh Joel are cousins, not brothers.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned a brother, some people might think it it would have been uh Ryan, but no, this this is your cousin, and and if I could just sort of shift over to him for just a moment, because clearly, if you've watched the series, uh this is a totally different dude than Joel.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they're quite opposite, probably I'm as fascinated by him as uh as Joel.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us a little bit about your background, because if you could ever cast, and I know this is all what you do is all real.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not suggesting it's if you could ever cast an outdoors person to put in the position that Ryan is in, that is the dude, right?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, for sure.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: That is the dude.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us a little bit about you.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm flattered to hear you say that.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I never strove to be anything in particular.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was everything that I've become has kind of been part of my upbringing and uh just uh driven by my passion for the outdoors um to ever expand what I know and what I do and improve on it at the same time.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: So I grew up um, I was born in Prince George.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, actually moved to Ireland briefly when I graduated high school because my mom emigrated from Ireland uh way back in the day.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then came back.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And the biggest reason I came back to Canada uh from Ireland was because of my love for the outdoors and vast expanses that um most countries in the world actually can't offer to the same degree that Canada does.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so my dad was he was a very much a I would probably call him a wild man and not be too far off of that.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: He sought adventure more so than the hunting, even though hunting was always part of the adventure.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I moved like an uncountable amount of times throughout my childhood.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: He was always looking for something different, something new, changed work.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: We went out, we we used to live off-grid.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I even lived in a teepee for a very short period of time as a young man, don't remember it, but that's just kind of a a little bit of a telling of what my dad was willing to do and honestly what he drugged my mom through because I don't think that she loved most of that stuff.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody does.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they don't.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I used to go to uh a rural community church because we lived out uh on acreage, uh out of the country or out in the country, and uh they would always do like father-son fishing trips and then like uh hunting trips uh as a whole into all various different kinds of places, and I just really, really enjoyed that.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: And and when I got into adulthood, then I took that to a next level on my own.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: And um, to be honest, for quite a few years I hunted moose, um, and that was about it.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then I met a buddy uh who introduced me to elk and whitetail, and then it just kind of started to snowball because my eyes were open to like, oh wow, there's like every animal opens up like a different geographic location to go to and a different experience.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and I just fell in love with all of it.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: So just to uh set the record straight, uh I think what whether it's intentional or not, um by the way, the the premise of the uh show uh is basically taking um a tin horn uh city slicker, uh Joel, and which he really isn't, but but that's who he portrays.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: And Ryan, I'll let you know he does he doesn't ham it up too much.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, I mean I I lived in cities until until right around the time that we started filming the show.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Vancouver, New York, yeah, etc.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you and you've captured that in the series.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so Ryan is there to guide him through that learning process, uh not just you know living off the land, not just but but actually harvesting uh products from the land and doing it in such a manner that I think I want to stress this this is not a hunting show by any means, not even remotely connected to a hunting show.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: But as a non-hunter, when you watch it, you kind of you kind of get a different outlook on harvesting animals.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: You guys have done a great job at showcasing that whole connection between man and animal and respect of nature and you know managing it properly and taking what you need to survive.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's you've taken it to another level that I you may or may not have intended that at the beginning, but you've certainly crossed that threshold.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think all hunting programs that have watched your show might be saying, Oh, okay.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no kidding.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: I get that now, I get what they're doing.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_05: Did you ever hunt Joel in your younger day at all?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, my I grew up um, so I did hike, and uh, in fact, a lot of my hiking was with Ryan's dad, my uncle Rick, uh, when we'd come up once a year from the Valley, Fraser Valley, so close to Vancouver up to Prince George.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um my parents were anti-gun.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: My dad was a vegan for a long time until so far off the mark uh that you could not even yeah, I am I was the farthest end of that spectrum possible, right?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but I was I was how how would you say it?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: I was curious.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was I had a great deal of respect for Ryan uh um and admiration, like like a big brother.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's my cousin.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't have a big brother, but Ryan had lived with us for a summer working, you know, working down in the uh where we lived.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: And and so I was just so taken by him and um as as you know, as you as we are with our older brothers.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: And um and so when he said I want you to try this, I took him seriously.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh and it wasn't it wasn't instantaneous to be, you know.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: When you say uh try this, are you meaning the production part of it or or just I want you to come up here and I want you to live out this life with me for a couple of weeks and see what you think, without without even thinking about, hey, this is a TV series.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: Is that you and you want to answer that?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, please.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, yeah, it definitely that actually getting Joel kind of on the path was pre finding nowhere even thought.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, um, so I had just kept Joel was like, we we still, for some reason, which I'm glad we did, we just kept in sporadic communication while Joel was like off in New York doing his underwear line, and I was still just back in British Columbia doing my thing.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I was just kind of like, oh man, you need to come up and like we're gonna go out to the trap line.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it was probably like almost five years of that before he was back in Vancouver and was finally like, yeah, I'll I'll come up and do that.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: And and we actually just did a spring trip.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was just like usually we go out to this trap line.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't own it.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was actually this cabin that we go to was built by my uncle who had emigrated from Switzerland because it was his lifelong dream to be a trapper.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so we go up and we use this place and we maintain it, and we go up in the springtime to make sure everything is just, you know, all good, trails are cut.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: Joel came up and was like, wow, this is great.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me about this hunting that you do.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: What do you need?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: You need your hunting, what is it called?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then he's like literally got his notebook and he's like, okay, well, that's called your PAL.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's your possession and acquisition license.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then this is called your hunter core, and you need to get that for hunting.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so he he was just like very serious.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: He wrote it down and he just like went and he and he got those like almost immediately upon going home, uh, which showed me that he was serious about it.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: And um while this was going on, I had been watching like a lot of meat eater and feeling very inspired by Stephen Ronella and what he's done for the hunting community.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I just like in my own way, I was like, I should just film some of what I'm doing because I think people will find it interesting.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and then so I reached out to Seth, our cousin, who is like our um chief videographer and and editor for season one.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, and and we weren't even in contact for most of our lives.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like he ended up moving away.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I just it was like this really like, hey, I heard you you film.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this is what I'm thinking of doing.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to just come up and just film?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: And and in my head, I'm thinking, YouTube style, just whatever, no story.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: And and then I was like, Joel, I got Seth lined up.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: You should come up and do this thing.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, and then that's when it all started, and it really came together kind of in a short period of time without a super well thought out plan, other than Joel knowing in his head he was gonna create a TV series out of what we were doing.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm shocked, I'm shocked at that answer because honestly, and I think we've talked about it here in the last couple of weeks leading up to this interview.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I really thought this was a Joel thing.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um because based on everything that we've been able to, you know, find out about you guys and read the the real experience in this field, and I'm talking uh developing, writing, filming, packaging, and distributing is is Joel.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: And yet now what you're telling me is that in fact, this was you that said, I think this is this is a a show.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how because I have no experience at it, but I think there's something here.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you you tell young cousin, and of course, him being the entrepreneur and the the filmmaker, and he's saying, Yeah, whoa, where have you been all my life?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's well, it was like I had the idea of like wanting to film something in the outdoors, and and it wasn't it honestly wasn't even my intention to be like, hey, Joel, come in and bring in your expertise.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, let's just do this together, and it just so happened.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like I won't, I won't even begin to take credit for like what this has become because I could never have taken it there.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Joel can and did.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it just it just so turned out that like we were both um really good on camera together, and we both had very, very uh different places in the world that we were coming together on that we thought this is this is a story.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and it's a and it's an interesting one.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: And and that kind of evolved very quickly into how we were gonna approach this.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: You've done a great job of it.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whether it was by accident or by design, the what you've captured.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_05: It's a great production.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it's so good.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's outstanding.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Outstanding.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to, I'd love to jump in there because that it it it you know, it was both, you know, it it designed itself as it as it started to go, right?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because our first test shoot was a little bear hunt.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: And what happened in that experience, you know, before we we went live with you guys here, we were talking about your journey to where where you were going this weekend, right?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_03: And what happened.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: The tie you had the flat tire, and then the st the store didn't have any tires.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: We won't say which one, even though they should.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: And and so as we're doing this thing, I had always thought uh, you know, hunt was you go and you shoot an animal.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: Very Very simple, very ignorant.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then immediately through this experience of hunting with Ryan, I saw the hunt as this entire journey from the second you start planning it and leave your house to your favorite coffee shops that you stop at, to the things that happen on the way, to your favorite food stop, to the, to the when you cook the food, to the getting up early in the morning, to the camaraderie, to what's going on for you personally in your life at that time.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: All of these things become the layers of every single hunt that you go on.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: And every year that means something different to the people who are going on that hunt.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, that's the story, start to finish.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just one thing.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so that was the first kind of look at this as saying, oh, I don't know anybody's doing that, telling the whole thing.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: And the second part was I saw Ryan's not just his joy for the hunt, but his reverence for the hunt, his reverence for the animal and filling his uh his freezer.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, you know, I came from this place where this is completely misunderstood.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: Not only is it it's not just misunderstood, it's viewed as criminal.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: And and I said, we could all use a little bit of seeing the world through somebody else's eyes.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: And if if people can see what I see when I go out with Ryan or when we go out with a guest, uh, you know, who's guiding us, whether it's fishing, whether it's hunting, whether it's foraging, maybe we can lend a little bit of perspective because when it's seen through the eyes of a beginner who was all the way over on that other end of the spectrum, there's some humanity that we can cook into that.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: And for those who have hunted before, maybe there's some nostalgia that we can connect them to.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that when they took their son out or when they took their friend out for the first time, or even remembering their first hunt and re-recapturing that experience.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: So there were so many elements there that I realized could be meaningful to people.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I didn't, I couldn't have imagined a better time to do this in than the current moment we live in in our beautiful country, where that divide between these things is quite large.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_03: And yet the curiosity, and I'll just close on that, uh, amongst so many new hunters, which is kind of evidenced in in the fact that our show went to number four on Prime, is like people are very curious about what it is that Ryan does and you guys do, and I'm learning today.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, well, all the hard work has paid off.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: We finally have a winner for uh the Garmin giveaway uh for this segment of Outdoor Journal, the podcast.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the Garmin Echomap Ultra 2, the L66 VS, along with the GT56 high definition transducer, now has a new home, and that new home is south of the border in the state of New York.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, congratulations to Taylor Geltman, wherever you may be, south of the border in that beautiful state of New York.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you got a Garmin that's coming to you very shortly.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, for all of you who tried and didn't, uh, don't give up.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's another one coming up.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just uh hang in there.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, yours will be the winning ticket.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_05: Was your first uh hunt on?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_05: Did you have to do it on camera or did you hunt before you started?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Joel, well, you accompanied me, but not for his first actual holding a rifle was yeah, filmed.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you one thing I've learned.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, on I think it was episode two or three, the cabin.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um the the trapper, I think you mentioned something about the cabin, the trapper line that you guys were.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I learned something.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: I learned something.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I am an absolute pussy when it comes when it comes to roughing it.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we know that, buddy.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, we got we all know that.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: I am an absolute pussy, and I admit it here uh publicly.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: What did they show you?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: What did they do?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: The place they slept in.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay, okay.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: I and I and to be honest with you, uh, you know, we spent 20 years of that in our in our career, right?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not only here in Canada, but around the world with the outdoor journal television program.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we stayed in those places every week, you know, for 20 years.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then we got to a point, I got to a point more so than him.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you know what?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want some of those creature comforts.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want porcelain in my life again.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_06: You want a little bit of thread count, a little bit of dread count on those sheets, right?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and and you guys were able to capture that.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: That was really raw.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: That that episode I thought was fantastic because it shows you, you know, how far man, woman, mankind, you know, can drive themselves uh for a purpose.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And your purpose was, I believe, on that one.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, was that an elk or was that a moose?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Or was it what what was the uh uh the prey there?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll I'll jump in here.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you our biggest regret about that episode was not putting up a nighttime camera while we were sleeping in the camera, but in the cabin, because the that's not the cabin that my uncle built.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'll say first off, that belongs to another friend, and that cabin's well over a hundred years old now.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: But there were big holes in the corners of the cabin and the floor.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: And my wife was like, Oh, we'll bunk together in this single bed.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I won't be able to sleep, I'm gonna sleep on the floor.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you that night there was a racetrack going on in there, like there were critters scrolling everywhere, and some of them were bigger than mice.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: That would be like, Oh, why didn't we put up a camera?
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: Could you imagine?
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_05: Could you imagine time-lapsing of all those little mice and then animals of all nature coming out?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, sorry, I will get back to the original question, but I I did take my wife there.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: We we did the same hunt uh just last fall, and I put a duffel bag over top of this sizable hole in the floor just for the night.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: And and I was gonna get up in the morning and and let my wife sleep in.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I moved the duffel bag and a skunk stuck its head up over the hole.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, whoops.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: I recorded that, put the bag back over the hole, and then my wife was like, I am out, I'm not sleeping in here anymore.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: So this could have been the end of finding nowhere, though, because so that night when we got to where we take the uh the animals, minimal spoilers, we take the animals off the river, and it's late, right?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: And Ryan uh he's parked his quad uh 10k away, and so he's either walking or he's getting a ride, right?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: Won't say what happened.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I said, Well, what happens if you don't get back till lady?
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, We sleep under the canoes.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: That if I had to have spent the night under the canoe in the forest, I don't know if that might have been the end of my career.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: Most can't blame you on that one.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's insanity, man.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely insanity.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_05: How speaking of the name of the show, how'd you come up with the name of the show?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that happened kind of the same way the show just happened.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: We were like just I was in the kitchen, Joel was like going through his notes on in his little folder, and and I just said, like, dude, we're just gonna try and get out in the middle of nowhere.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: And and I said, I was like, oh, we're just gonna go find a piece of nowhere.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then Joel was like, Oh, that's the name of the show, Finding Nowhere.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that was it.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect, okay, sure.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: It is so bang on.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great title.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great title.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: So bang on.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh for those of you who may not be familiar with the uh series, it's on prime as we speak.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh season one is on prime, right?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have to ask you, is season two in the stages of being post-produced as we speak?
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost uh if uh if all goes according to plan, we'll finish editing uh at the end of September, and it will be out by Christmas.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good for you, man.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to that.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_05: Excellent.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: There was uh well before we cut out of our I watched the episode of you guys out salmon and hell about fishing and and BC there.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_05: And uh the best part, because I didn't really know the show at first and I didn't know the premise of it, and uh was uh Ryan was missing a bunch of fish or whatever.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_05: This is for everybody to to watch.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_05: But Joel finally took the rod and it's mooching rods.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_05: There's all this mooching stuff, so they're like a really weird setup that they always use in BC and all that.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_05: But I knew right then that he was a city slicker.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_05: Joel's a city slicker when the when the guide said no, reel the other way.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_05: He was really in a backwards.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I just said, okay, that's a classic moment in fishing, right there.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like holding the spinning reel upside down.
• 52:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, that's all real.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was awesome, buddy.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, no pun intended.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, there you go.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's all real.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you guys are into then if season two is done, let's say you guys are into 20 episodes, and I'll just throw that number out there.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: It has really no relevance to my question to you.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: At this stage in this path, has it started sinking in yet?
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, what are we gonna do next?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Are you at that stage, or is it so wide open right now that it's endless?
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: You just you can pull them out of the out of a drawer and it's just endless opportunities for productions.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we can answer that from two perspectives.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, we live in a in a vast Ryan started by saying it.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: This is a vast and and beautiful province, and there's plenty of opportunity to have entirely new experiences, both for myself and for Ryan.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we've we've had other first timers on the show, so we can, you know, people who are learning um for the first time, but also this country.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: And um we've also had a chance to take our Concept International a few times.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um and again, the idea there, because this is very much a show about hunting in British Columbia and and Canada, but there are there are conversations and and issues around conservation that uh you know that are universal.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: We deal with them here, but we can tell the story of it somewhere else.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so we've we've, I mean, man, I I jokingly said on another podcast, it's eight trips of a lifetime every year, and there's another eight that we could have done every year.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, and Ryan, you could you could speak to it because the education point is very, very important.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_03: And and and Ryan said it, and I don't want to take the words out of his mouth, but he said he's a lifelong learner.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: He said it at the beginning of this podcast.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so that doesn't stop even for for him on the show.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's chances to learn.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you guys show that really well, by the way.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: You capture it, you capture those moments.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: Even even though the show is really about this novice guy, you know, fumbling around in surroundings that he's not familiar with, you never leave the audience thinking, well, like that Ryan guy, you know, he's done it all.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's he's seen everything.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's not gonna no, because every episode there's there's a time when I feel I feel for Ryan because I kind of understand what he's going through.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: But this is not just about a hunt.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is not just about hunting and killing an animal and and that kind of stuff.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: I feel the pain that he sometimes goes through because you really uh show us as audience members, you really show us that your heart at the end of the day, yeah, you want to see that mountain goat, and yeah, you want to see that moose brought in, and yeah, all that stuff.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, Ryan, you really leave me um feeling that teaching Joel something that week is at the top of the list of priorities for you.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: You you you you really draw the audience into that belief, and I think it's true.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I can see the pain and anguish sometimes when it doesn't quite go your way, and you have a really uh eloquent way of see if it was me, I'd just get pissed off.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: I just say, geez, like come on, Joel.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't do that, you do it in a way that that kind of makes me feel, wow, this is there's there's compassion going on between these two guys, too.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's understanding, there's a love, there's a bond that most other shows of your nature just can't quite get.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that's the magic that you guys have created here, you know.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in time, see, that's why I asked you about what's in the future, because I believe, and and even you know, from the first episode to the last episode of season one, you know, Joel is no more that city slicker because he's starting to learn.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm watching him, he's starting to progress, he's he's grasping this whole notion of living off the land.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so my my thoughts were, and I uh talked to one of the guys here about it, like, how far can they take this?
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's no longer a novice.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, you have taught him everything to make him he could go out on his own at some, I guess is what I'm saying at some point.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Are you afraid that maybe you know in season two, season three, season four, or I don't even know whether you think that far ahead.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Are you afraid that you you're gonna lose the magic that it is now?
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you wish you could stay a little kid uh for the whole the eternity of the series?
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's really what draws me to it.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether I'm gonna like you, Joel, if you're the big knuckle dragon Neanderthal.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: You do you follow?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll let Ryan answer it to start.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so like being completely honest, it's like I've I've gone out with people that this is like natural to.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just not natural to Joel.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, it's it's gonna be it, like honestly, it's gonna be a slower process because it was like, um, you know, he he's just yeah, no, it's true.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's it's not going quickly.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of these things that are very instinctual to me and perhaps would become instinctual to other people very quickly are just not instinctual to Joel.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we can get some long longevity out of the show in that regard.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think, you know, beyond that, as Joel does progress, you know, there's a lot of different avenues and different ways that we can take that.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think we've landed on anything yet because, well, maybe it doesn't have to be one thing in particular, but it can be Joel, you know, starting to venture out a little bit more on his own, or he can become, you know, the teacher to people that are closer to him down in the lower mainland.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think I've heard a lot of people say that a big thing is like, man, I wish I had a Ryan.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like Joel has a Ryan.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: And Joel can become that person to somebody else, and maybe his, you know, his siblings, maybe his children.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then there's always other newcomers that we can start to introduce as well and and pursue that.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and as long as we're always pursuing um, you know, different uh, you know, talking points, different points of interest, I believe that we have a lot of room.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, what you're saying is it's definitely scalable, right?
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: This this pattern is not something we have to worry about losing after 20 episodes.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think that you're you're you're kind of assuring us.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I'm fan, man.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: I want to I want to see this stuff.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: I want to I want to be, you know.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_03: You know, let's let's do another one in uh in six months, and you can tell us if you feel that's still true at the end of season two.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um if you feel like you know, because we season season three, which we're talking about, because falls here, and we actually we actually had intended to take a little break because we were pretty tired from the last filming two seasons back to back.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um and uh and then the show became a success so quickly, we're like, well, we gotta film it now, or we have to wait literally another year until next hunting season, right?
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_03: But there's so many things that one of the themes of season three that we're looking at is generational hunting.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um so Ryan is gonna hunt with his daughter.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we're gonna take our fathers out, and my dad's not a hunter.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and uh there was one more call.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we're gonna go with our wives um and we're gonna talk about hunting from all of those different angles.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, the importance of hunting at grandpa's knee, the importance of, you know, what it means to pass on these skills, even if these, even if there's a grocery store in every corner of the world, is this not is this a skill that should still be learned and shared generationally?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's a question.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I think everybody on this call knows the answer to that question, but can we communicate that in a way that maybe others who aren't a part of it could see value in it, right?
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_03: What does it mean to spend time in the woods with your father or your mother?
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, in terms of bonding with them.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so we're really leaning into that as a concept in this, this, this coming season, if we're fortunate enough to film it.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, and so there's things like that we can talk about, right?
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's there's so many things, there's so many stories to tell that even if the story isn't about me bumbling through the woods, which may always be a story, Ryan was very generous to say I'm taking people out hunting.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: I can you imagine?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine the day.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, as an example, it was like last fall Joel went up to Cash Creek to go hunt a deer, and all of a sudden my phone goes off at like 7:30 in the morning.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: Ryan, Ryan, a deer just ran across the road in front of me and my brother.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_02: What do I do?
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, uh, well, okay, describe the situation to me.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: And and in perspective, that was Joel taking his youngest brother hunting for the first time.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: And on the flip side of that, his younger brother already went out, got his core, got his pal, bought a rifle, and harvested a bear on his own, which is like Joel.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is is way higher than Joel's.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: So but he he got him into it.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, true.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: I also love um the fact that you really highlight in every episode um the safety aspect of what hunting is, right?
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: You really really underline that whole process each week, and I think that's really important, especially for novice hunters.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um and by the way, we're talking hunting like this is the only thing you guys do.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you've gone out and harvested uh all kinds of weird greenery, and uh I mean, so it's not just hunting, but but maybe we use the word hunting in a looser way.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're hunting for sustenance uh every week, whether it's fish, whether it's animal, whether it's uh you know, uh plants.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's the really the crux of your hunting.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we like to call it a rewilding show.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_03: Just kind of anything and everything.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a there's a there's a little bit of farming, not a lot, but there's there's a little bit.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_03: And and part of the reason for that is also providing different entry points for people who, hey, I, you know, I'm not a I'm not into hunting yet, but foraging really interests me.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: And all of a sudden it's like, oh, I liked watching Gen Kote um lead them on a forage.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Gen Kote hunts as well.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I'm curious about hunting, right?
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's just the variety of the variety allows for different entry points for new hunters or people who who are maybe anti-hunting to take a look at this and see, again, see the world through the eyes of people who hunt because one of the things that I've heard is just you know, hunters don't care about the lives of animals or the forests and stuff like that.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_03: And and I'm being very explicit.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_03: I've literally heard that more times than I can count.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_03: And nothing's farther from the truth in my in my experience.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_03: They care just as much.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_03: More, if not in many cases more.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so can we show that?
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_03: Can we offer that to the audience?
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_03: And and again, the Ryan's passion and love of the outdoors, Aaron, Travis, the the um Jen, Kote, these people who come on the show who hunt, their reverence and appreciation and desire to keep the forests as vibrant as possible is second to none.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it shows.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't have that passion for the outdoors if you're not an outdoors person.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the problem, right?
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and sometimes we put a lot of uh I know we're guilty of it all the time.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we expect everybody, you know, we've got we've got uh 20 minutes from us, we've got seven million urbanites uh that have never seen uh never mind the outdoors or would say they've never traveled north of the uh the 401 for God's sakes, right?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: But yet we expect them to have the same respect and reverence for the outdoors and nature as we do.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think sometimes as outdoors people we put the we we need to change a little bit.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can't expect the experiences you guys have that moment that that magic moment that you guys experience every week that that you that you're and you can tell your emotions are soaring like through the stratosphere at that second.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can't expect somebody to understand what that is unless they've been there.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because because it's so foreign to somebody who's not connected to the outdoors.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's incumbent on ourselves, the people on this call, to understand a little bit more and to be.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Be able to be a little more open-minded about somebody not really caring what we love to do.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care about animals the way we care about them.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have the connection.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have the bond.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_05: So how can they- There's common sense there.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_05: Your common sense, you call it common sense.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_05: I remember uh I did a a Fish in Canada shoot on a river, Ganaraska River, and it was literally littered by I'm not gonna call them anglers or outdoors people, is by people that were fishing, but just left all the litter laying around like that.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_05: So they had no idea that but is that not kind of stupid?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh sense of flavor.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna throw that chip bag there and I'm gonna leave that water bottle there and that.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_05: So I went and picked all the shit up like that.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: To us it is.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: But that's because we have a connection there.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: We we see an empty bottle in the middle of a green uh uh uh uh space and we say how like what mindless individual would do that, but right they don't see it the same way.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_05: What do they see?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_05: What are they why would they throw garbage along a riverbank?
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh scenery of the big thing.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: They don't see what you see.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have to be.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think garbage should be thrown on the sidewalk anymore than it should be thrown next to a river.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's where my common sense kicks in.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: That belongs in a trash can.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's we gotta teach them about it.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: We need we need to teach them.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think we need to be stronger in our messaging.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think productions like this um need to become more mainstream, and I'm thrilled to death that you guys are doing so well on you know what's what's perceived as a mainstream serving you know system.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the fact that you guys are are ranking up there.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_05: We're ranking highly.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_05: We ranked really well.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_05: It wouldn't go, guys.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: It thrills the hell out of me because because it's going to deliver that message to a group of people that otherwise would not even know that we exist, right?
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's another good message that the boys learned, and I bet you they're not gonna do it anymore as bananas on the boat.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_05: Oh after I don't know how that worked out, guys, if it was organic, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_05: But when when Ryan started losing all those fish in a row, and you showed those bananas at the first, I said, ah, you guys better take that and take note of that.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_05: That was so good.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's so funny because it's uh it was completely organic.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_03: I brought the bananas, and then after um after the story had come out, Carson had said, Hey, you can't do this bad luck.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_03: I went and read the book, and it was a book by um, it's called The Fish That Ate the Whale.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_03: And it's about Samuel, Samuel Zamur, who was this immigrant to the United States, and he essentially uh developed the entire banana trade from Honduras, Guatemala, et cetera, into Canada and became the wealthiest man in the world in the process, from you know, Penn like couldn't afford to feed himself, immigrant selling rotten bananas off the dock.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_03: And and so all of that came from these ships that would come from Central America over here with the spiders, with the diseases, and people would die and then and and the ships would crash and the bananas would float ashore.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_03: So all of there's this incredible story that literally is part of the founding uh uh wealth and infrastructure of commerce in the United States around this this bet they called him the banana king.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it's a fascinating read.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_03: Not necessarily he's not a hero.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's a he's in fact maybe a terrible person, the things that he did um to the the people of Honduras and Central America, but um but fascinating all the same.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll tell you, we live by that banana rule all of our lives.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: Big time man, we take it very serious.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_01: We have experienced it.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, so many times, just like you guys had, but it's just been constant every time we don't even use that sunscreen, the banana boat sky ship.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_05: You can't use that shit on our boat.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_05: You can't put that on our staff, nothing banana boys, nothing.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Our staff are instructed uh the mornings before we set out, they can't even have banana bread for breakfast.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Banana muffins, nothing like that.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: We've taken it to another level altogether.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, Brian, is this are we gonna so we're not gonna play it back, are we then?
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: For our next ocean fish, there's no bananas.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, I'm not superstitious.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh we we did kid him at season two, and I don't think we brought bananas.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think that's that's because Steve is superstitious and he said things off my boat.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Steve is see, anyways.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the other thing I like about you guys too is that every once in a while you bring in the reality aspect of what you do, and one of those is enjoying a good cigar.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I love they drink a lot of beer too.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_05: I like that.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_05: And they drink beer.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love that because you know, that's what I don't want to say in order to be a hunter or an outdoorsman, you have to.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_01: But there is a moment in in every day that we're out there that just calls for that sitting back, lighting one up, and you know, reflecting on the wonderful opportunities that you just experienced.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I I believe that.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't smoke or drink, that's fine too.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: But at least what you you don't have to go out of your way to say, oh no, no, no, no, no, that's not no.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, if it happens, it happens.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you guys certainly have done it to, I think, the right level.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: We are terrified of it.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we talk a good story, but we have never in 41 years, we have never depicted us smoking on location.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and yet the audience, I think most of the audience probably knows.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's funny you're saying this because I today I'm I'm logging clips and I got Angelo setting the hook, beautiful hook set on a small ball back.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_05: She turns sideways, and there's a freaking cigar sticking out of his mouth backwards, and then shit, there goes that shot.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_05: Boom, out the door.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there is a balance to that too, though, because it's like I um, you know, I mean, people have commented actually, like people we don't know, and a lot of people that I do know that it's like, you know, we do we drink in every episode.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like I I personally want to be careful that it's like while it is okay to enjoy those things in the moment, I also don't want to be perceived as somebody that has to partake in those things in order to enjoy the moment.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I um, you know, and even in terms of cigars, it was a ritual of mine.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, on the uh power couple episode, we interview the old trapper Bernard McKay.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and he his rule, um, one thing that he did, he was a guide and outfitter for many, many years is if one of his clients shot a moose, even if they saw it go down, he would light a cigar and he said, We're gonna smoke the cigar, and when the cigar is done, that's the amount of time that it's gonna take us for us to let that animal die before we go and approach where it went down.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I had kind of adopted that philosophy for myself.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was like we'd shoot a moose, we'd see it go down, I'd light a cigar, and I'd say, When this is over, we're gonna go approach that animal.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, unfortunately, I started to enjoy the cigars too much.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't had one in almost two years now because I had to show the cigars who's boss.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I still haven't I still haven't decided whether I'm going to have the celebratory one if I can keep it under control.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: I probably will.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um the only thing I could say to that, Ryan, the only way you're gonna could prove to yourself that you've got it under control is to do it, is to have a cigar.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then not have a cigar.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the key.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_05: Were you inhaling?
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_05: What would you make you stop?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_05: What are you having a Ken a day?
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_05: Were you inhaling them too much?
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_05: What was the deal?
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: It it was supposed to be a hunting fishing kind of thing, and then it was like I was just smoking them like at work and stuff like that.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, no, I'm not, I'm I I don't want that for myself, and and my wife didn't want it for me, and uh for all the reasons that that you don't want to be a full-time smoker.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like we have a hunting thing, we'll we'll keep doing that.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't mentioned I was sad because I only smoked with Ryan right after an animal went down and he stopped.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I I have I have four cigars sitting there just on my dinner from all these shoots that we haven't used them on.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, uh I I think we're doing a disservice, uh, not maybe uh talking a little bit more about your wife, your wives, but in particular um yours, Ryan, because she she's uh and yours might be too, but visually we see more of your wife in as a series unfolds.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um how important is it to have a partner, a mate that gets it?
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because because especially in Joel's case, I mean he kind of did something pretty bizarre, right?
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sell everything, move out to the country, we're gonna live off the land, we're gonna get dirt under our nails.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Not every partner, wife, spouse, uh, might be amenable to something like that.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: But both you guys um are fortunate enough to have a partner that that gets it, uh, or at least to us, the fan, the viewer, that's the imagery that we get.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so you guys are blessed with that too.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that wasn't um I can speak for my wife that she wasn't that way when we got together.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh um, you know, she was very much like a city person and and we lived in in town for a long time.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I made peace with that.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I grew up in the country.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: I always wanted to live in the country, but I wasn't gonna, you know, kind of force her, so to speak, to do something that she wasn't interested in doing.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_02: And and then all of a sudden it just got to this point in time where she was like, you know, I think I'm ready to move into the country.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: I want to grow a garden.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um now the the wild game thing I introduced her to while we were dating, and it was like, I remember saying to her one time, she's like, Oh, it's okay.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, No, I said, one day not only will you, you know, tolerate this, I said you're gonna learn to love it, kind of joking, but it turned out to be true.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like she just she likes all of that stuff.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_02: And a few years back, she had a little vision board and she wrote up on it that she was like, I'm gonna harvest my own big game animal and I want to do that within the next two years.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, the cool thing uh for her is that she gets like that moose that we took in in the power couple episode, that's the first thing she's ever shot.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, it's the only thing she's ever shot because she hasn't taken anything yet um since then.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: So that was pretty special.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no kidding.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_01: That that was a moment, man.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was a moment, huge moment.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, uh, I could go on forever with you guys, but uh I'm getting uh the hook sign here behind the scenes, right?
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um what else can we okay?
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got this series that's uh well underway, and season two is coming, so you've made a happy fan out of me.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what else is in the future?
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where where are you taking the brand?
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Or is there another brand that we need to hear about?
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's a good question.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're like let's just say, you know, we're really grateful to be on the show.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_03: This is a this is still a pinch, pinch us moment.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't know, we had no idea that it was going to do this.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_03: We wanted to create a show that our our families were proud of.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_03: We wanted to to achieve this message um and help be part of that conversation that folks like yourselves and others are having out there every day in the trenches, if you will, uh the in the trenches and bowels of social media.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we didn't know.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so to just be doing this is a gift, and we're really grateful for that.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it's still a you know, Ryan and I and our cousin Seth funded season one, and we were we were grateful, uh sort of fortunate enough to have some sponsors support us with season two before they knew.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_03: All they knew is the show had a good message.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_03: They had no idea if it'd be successful.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, where we go is you know, in the next month we'll decide on whether we shoot season three this this upcoming fall, and and uh, you know, follow the journey on social media, finding our show.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um lots of giveaways there.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_03: So that's fun.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh I wasn't gonna go here, but now that you brought it up, I I think I will.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um the only thing I wanted to give you from our experience uh in the business, it's a really fine line that you have to be careful not to go over between um entrepreneurial ship or the greed part of it and the creative part.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you mentioned sponsors, God bless them.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: We've had a gazillion sponsors in our career, and thankfully for them, we've stayed around for this long.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but you can't sell your soul.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's cliche, but you have to be careful there on how far you take it.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to caution you guys right now what I loved about your I love about your product is the rawness.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you have no boundaries.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: You can see that you know, you go to the coffee shop because you love to have a coffee at the coffee shop.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: You're not at the at that coffee shop because the coffee shop is paying you to be at the coffee shop.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they might give you a free coffee, big deal.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to be careful.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be careful about that.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not an easy once you go down that slope, there's no coming back from it, right?
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: So just be careful.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I'm I'm gonna tell you on that part of it.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because right now, from from what I've seen so far, you guys are are doing okay.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much farther you can push that edge before you can't.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's very sure.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I couldn't agree with you more.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like that's something like, yeah, we are gonna, you're gonna be able to tell that we're sponsored in season two because we're gonna be dressed and outfitted as we are.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think the spirit of what we're doing hasn't changed a bit, and we certainly haven't handed uh creative control over to anybody that's telling us where to go and what to do.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's part of that balance.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, and I'll even go a step further and say for myself, um, I'm simply not willing to either lose authenticity of what we're doing, and um, even in terms of sponsorship, maybe some people will get mad at me for saying this, but I will not back a product that I don't believe in because somebody's paying me a lot of money to do it.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like you're selling out your fans, you're selling out people that are actually relying on you to guide them into what you think is quality gear.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's why your product's out there.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_02: They want or or their product is in your hands.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_02: They they these companies want people to see you using that.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, it's important that I believe in what I'm using.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_03: So you know, I'll I'll add to that just really quick, because I know we have to wrap up, but we we've even turned down opportunities to be in displayed in certain places um because there was mandates involved in how we had to then craft our show and or do certain things.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: And we're like, that's that's that's not how we operate.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're we're telling the story that we're here to tell.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_03: And and as soon as that story is no longer relevant to tell, that's when we hang them up.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, that's that's it.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh you know, we're not here forcing it into any lane.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and I'm glad that it, you know, it has resonated because that's the that's the spirit of it.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh absolutely it it stands out right now from what I've seen so far in season one.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one thing that stands out to uh, I think to all of us here is that you guys are still and we admire that because you know we were there once too, believe it or not.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: A long time ago, a long time ago, and and and we we think back to those days.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not that there's anything wrong with the Fish in Canada brand that selling product.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_01: We do endorse product, but to your comment, uh, if the product doesn't work, it's we believe in it.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've been we've been selling Princecraft boats for a hundred years because we believe that for your money it's the best boat for the job.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Same with the Ram trucks and same with everything else that we endorse.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_01: We we believe in that product.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: So as long as as long as you have that connection with the sponsor, I don't because it's a necessary evil.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be honest about it, guys.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you need you need dough to make this show.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty simple.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_01: But but just uh integrity is I think the most important thing that you can keep in that uh in that regard.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for sharing that.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Is cousin Seth a primus a premise, or neither of the above?
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you went down that low.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_02: That is like yeah, good question.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, actually, he he ended up getting um oh he changed his name.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a different name.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_02: So he shows up as Seth Stewart.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he's premise or primus, the blood's the same.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_02: So we can look at that.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I had to ask.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, whether it's premise or primus is totally irrelevant.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are absolutely outstanding.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're doing a fantastic job.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I urge everybody right now, if you haven't already done so, uh make a note to yourself to slip on over to uh Prime and uh and check this out because I will be shocked.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone who's a regular follower of this show and the Fishing Canada show and our brand and and ourselves, if you don't find this series absolutely captivating, I will be shocked.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_01: And let me know if you do watch it and you don't have the same emotional connection with it that we do right now.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let us know.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be interested in in hearing from you.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, not to debate, but I'd just be interested to know if I'm totally off on this one because I don't think I am.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm bang on.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And if you start watching it, uh the only thing that'll stop you is when the boys decide to hang them up.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_01: So uh get on over there.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh uh fabulous product.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um that are it, gentlemen.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't thank you enough for joining us and making the time.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know you guys are at least as busy as we are.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: So for you to carve out a little piece for us is uh highly appreciated, and we'd like to do it on a more regular basis if you guys uh are compelled to do so.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would love that.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, gentlemen, we will talk to you very soon.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: You take care of yourselves.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Best of luck and congratulations.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Take care.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have been waiting for that on pins and needles for uh ever since we knew that we were gonna have them on the show, Matt.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_05: Where did you meet them?
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they approached us.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Joel sent us uh an email, right, Dean?
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_04: I thought yeah, he sent an email to just it was almost like a press release kind of thing or show coming out.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: To info at Fish in Canada about the show.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_04: But they had been uh they had been watching the podcast actually, so they were hoping to come on and chat.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_05: I thought you met them somewhere.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, and honestly, up until that moment, I didn't know who they were.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I had never even heard of this before.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm so glad that they reached out because honestly, as a viewer, it's added a little piece of entertainment to my life because it is it is fantastic.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not kidding.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you gotta check it out.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great show.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let me know if you're not captivated by it the way uh the way we are.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_01: That are it.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I want to thank everybody for uh joining us and uh what a wonderful episode.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel altingly just fantastic to have these guys on.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wish them nothing but the best.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: On behalf of the entire team, uh Nikki B, uh Mr.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Dean Taylor.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Peter Bowman, I'm Angel Biola.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to you soon.
• 1:26:48
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• 1:26:58
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