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One Piece, 886 & 887 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is Unspoiled, covering
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  Speaker 1: one piece episodes eight eighty six and eight eighty seven,
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  Speaker 1: The Holy Land in Tumult, the targeted Princess Shira Hoshi,
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  Speaker 1: and an explosive situation two Emperors of the Sea going
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  Speaker 1: after Loofy. In these episodes, I was wondering when this
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  Speaker 1: whole fucking we actually do still steal slaves was going
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  Speaker 1: to rear its head And it does not take long,
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  Speaker 1: and it couldn't happen to a more high profile guest.
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  Speaker 1: My goodness, welcome to spoil me of Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much to
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  Speaker 1: Lena for commissioning this episode. And I know that I
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  Speaker 1: like lately feel like I start every episode with thanks
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  Speaker 1: for your patients because I fucked up something, but like
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  Speaker 1: I really must address you guys. I have begun to
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  Speaker 1: realize that getting older, combined with perimenopause, combined with a
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  Speaker 1: susceptibility to hormones that was above average already because I
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  Speaker 1: had PMDD, has resulted in a considerable cognitive decline during
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  Speaker 1: my menstrual cycle like pre phase, and it is noticeable.
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  Speaker 1: I made so many weird mistakes. Last week, I watched
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  Speaker 1: the wrong episodes for this show. I missed reading a
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  Speaker 1: check for one of the books, I forgot one recording entirely,
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  Speaker 1: and just like by happenstance, managed to make it there
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  Speaker 1: on time, and like prepared, I you don't even want
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  Speaker 1: to know at home, the weird mistakes that I have
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  Speaker 1: been making. It is alarming, and I think that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm just gonna have to start
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  Speaker 1: really beginning to put some coping mechanisms in place, because
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  Speaker 1: obviously I can't be trusted and it's frustrating. It's frustrating
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  Speaker 1: to everybody. So uh, Sarah fem says, even though any
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  Speaker 1: of them could have done this and gotten away with it,
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  Speaker 1: it's telling that only one of them was stupid enough
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  Speaker 1: to actually try it. Overgarding Shiroshi absolutely, Florence says, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: nature in life is great. I guess, like, look, look,
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  Speaker 1: there are just some things when they when they say
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  Speaker 1: life's not fair to a kid. I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times, as a child, understandably, you would just be like,
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  Speaker 1: then make it fair? What the fuck? And I often
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  Speaker 1: thought that myself. But there are things like biology that
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  Speaker 1: are simply not fair, and men just aren't going to
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with this kind of horseshit, and it's
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  Speaker 1: sus men. It's really unfair, deeply fundamentally, and I will
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  Speaker 1: never get over it because it makes me so angry
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  Speaker 1: all the time to think about. So anyway, let's be
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  Speaker 1: in talking about this episode, shall we. So last time,
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  Speaker 1: I had accidentally watched two episodes ahead, but so I
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  Speaker 1: watched eighty eight and eight eighty nine, so I have
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  Speaker 1: jumped ahead a little bit, but fear not, memory things
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  Speaker 1: have ensured that I have forgotten a lot of what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So once I go there again, it'll be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a totally different experience now that I've actually seen these two.
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  Speaker 1: So what's going on with Princess shiro Hooshi this episode, because, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a couple episodes ago, I was like, so
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  Speaker 1: they're acting like the everything is cool, but they are
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  Speaker 1: still gathering up slaves and we know this right and
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  Speaker 1: we like, I was sort of interested in, how is
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  Speaker 1: it that the fishermen are even here? I'm surprised that
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  Speaker 1: this is something that like they were invited to and
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  Speaker 1: that they accepted, and overall simply felt like this was
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a powder keg situation, and it does
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  Speaker 1: indeed turn out to be. Florian says, did you read
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  Speaker 1: the cover story as well? Oh? Yes I did. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't mention that in my intro, but hey, there's something
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  Speaker 1: I did, right, I did. It's a cover story about
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  Speaker 1: and Noel, which I'm going to try and remember to
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  Speaker 1: post in the show notes for this episode the link
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  Speaker 1: to it if anybody wants to read it. Seraphim says,
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  Speaker 1: Saint Charles Charlos not dying despite the abuse he suffers
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  Speaker 1: shows one good reason for Oda not liking to kill characters.
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  Speaker 1: If he dies, we can no longer be amused by
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  Speaker 1: his suffering. Who is which one is? Saint Charlos? Is
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  Speaker 1: that how you say it? Is that the guy that
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  Speaker 1: is you know, that had his life saved by the
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  Speaker 1: Queen and now is like turning a corner? Uh? The
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  Speaker 1: asshole who tried to kidnap you Rojoshi? Okay? And is
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  Speaker 1: he the same guy that got punched by Loofy. That's
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  Speaker 1: the same one, right, yes, okay? Bro was just getting
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  Speaker 1: punched out here, like how embarrassing? Getting punched once, that's shocking,
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  Speaker 1: getting punched twice, that's a pattern And like you really
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  Speaker 1: should he should learn to fight, I guess, is really
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  Speaker 1: what should happen here. But we will get to that.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing about we start off with a visit
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  Speaker 1: to the empty Throne, which is in this like huge
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  Speaker 1: room filled with what seemed to be empty suits of
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  Speaker 1: armor I think, and tons of moldy useless swords. It
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  Speaker 1: very much does kind of give the vibe of the
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  Speaker 1: like iron Throne in terms of the scope, because the
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  Speaker 1: throne is like twenty feet up. It's you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: two it seems, staircases in order to get to it,
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  Speaker 1: and Stelly is the sitting this place with an old
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  Speaker 1: Merlin looking man whose name I don't remember. What is
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  Speaker 1: this guy? He is explaining to Stelly that because he
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  Speaker 1: says something about how like can't I sit on the
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  Speaker 1: throne as I make my pledge? Because evidently he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: realize what the tradition is with the empty throne, But
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, because of who he is. Once he
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  Speaker 1: is informed of the tradition, that does not change his
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  Speaker 1: feelings on it at all. It's, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like he still wants to do what he wants to do,
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  Speaker 1: but it is a it's so frustrating because actually the
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  Speaker 1: concept of the empty throne in theory is like kind
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  Speaker 1: of cool. The sim listen that we are supposed to
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  Speaker 1: take from it is that everybody is equal, and so
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  Speaker 1: there is nobody who is in charge of the world.
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  Speaker 1: There's nobody who is you know, above everyone else, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously that is a complete and utter lie. Like there,
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  Speaker 1: it's immediately we cut to some people who clearly think
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  Speaker 1: they are above everything and are treated as such. So
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  Speaker 1: there's just no truth to this in practice, really, But
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  Speaker 1: I really love the concept of the empty throne being
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  Speaker 1: this illustrative device and you come and you make your
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  Speaker 1: pledge to it as as a symbol of like, I
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  Speaker 1: am part of a group. We are in this together.
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  Speaker 1: If we don't work together, then if if we don't
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  Speaker 1: learn to live together, then we will die alone. I
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  Speaker 1: think is the line from Lost. But yeah, it just
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  Speaker 1: feels like a really neat device, and then for it
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  Speaker 1: to be so immediately undermined is really sad, and like
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  Speaker 1: it surprises me that they even bother with the ritual
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  Speaker 1: of this, you know, and Stelly is like, of course,
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  Speaker 1: barely hearing what this guy is trying to explain to him,
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  Speaker 1: regarding you know, the meaning of it being that nobody
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  Speaker 1: is above it, because Stelly thinks if I got to
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  Speaker 1: sit up there, I would be the boss of everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I think is the way he frames it, is literally
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  Speaker 1: the boss of everyone, which is I swear to God.
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  Speaker 1: I think that he actually believes that if he were
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  Speaker 1: to somehow sit on the chair, he would magically be
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  Speaker 1: imbued with like godlike powers. I think that he really
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  Speaker 1: There's just something about the way that he looks at
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  Speaker 1: the Throne and thinks this that he's mentally treating it
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  Speaker 1: like it's a video game level and I just like
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  Speaker 1: have to fight the boss to get to the chair
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  Speaker 1: so that I can sit on it and level up exponentially.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like, Stelly, I know that you want
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  Speaker 1: to be one of the celestial dragons, but like, from
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  Speaker 1: what I understand, they didn't become what they are from
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  Speaker 1: just sitting on a chair. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I
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  Speaker 1: don't know enough to actually say this with such confidence,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like it's pretty much a guarantee that
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  Speaker 1: the Throne does not have literal magical powers. It's interesting
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  Speaker 1: when I stop and think about it. With one piece,
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  Speaker 1: there's very little that's truly magical. Outside of the the
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  Speaker 1: Devil Fruits, we have a lot of things that are
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  Speaker 1: like wondrous, but they usually are sort of explained in
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  Speaker 1: a way that is of course cartoony to a degree,
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  Speaker 1: but there is supposed to be like scientific reasoning behind
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  Speaker 1: the way a lot of things work, like Nami's weapon,
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty much magic, but we are meant to believe
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  Speaker 1: that somehow Oosop is so mechanically gifted that he was
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  Speaker 1: able to invent something that can literally control the weather.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't feel like it really counts. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering now, like the connection with because we saw
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  Speaker 1: that giant straw hat in the last episode, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: starting to be like, is there magic? And it's just
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  Speaker 1: that it's been like kind of sequestered from everyone, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, sorry, Seraphim says, And that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons the World government has lasted so long. They're
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  Speaker 1: very good at pr both putting good spins on things
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  Speaker 1: and making sure anyone who could say otherwise never existed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's some level up thing. He just
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  Speaker 1: sees person who sits in the chair is a big boss.
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  Speaker 1: So if I sit on it I'm the boss, and
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  Speaker 1: failing to even consider that's not how it works. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like literally mean that he believes in magic,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like he has that childlike understanding of
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  Speaker 1: just X plus Y equals z and it's just gro
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  Speaker 1: No what, go sit on that chair and try and
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  Speaker 1: tell any of the celestial dragons what to do and
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. But yeah, this has just got me
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  Speaker 1: thinking now about magic in one piece, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that there have been things that people can do
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  Speaker 1: that should feel like magic but don't technically fall under
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  Speaker 1: that that heading. Yeah, this is something I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be thinking about for a little bit. It's not important,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't really change anything materially, you know, but it
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  Speaker 1: is sort of compelling to me somehow. So this, uh,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, this whole thing, which I actually kind
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  Speaker 1: of enjoyed, is immediately undercut by going outside and hearing
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  Speaker 1: Shira Ho. She's screaming as we get one of the
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  Speaker 1: there's a guy that is trying to kidnap her. And
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  Speaker 1: the subtitles say slave three, so I guess he himself
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  Speaker 1: is a slave and he has been ordered to go
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  Speaker 1: capture her. This is something that I find a little
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  Speaker 1: bit weird. Is like, I if it were a being
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  Speaker 1: ordered to go capture her, I would not expect him
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  Speaker 1: to be as gleeful as he is. He really seems
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  Speaker 1: like fucking delighted. And I am I am aware that
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  Speaker 1: there are folks out there who can tolerate a lot
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  Speaker 1: as long as they themselves are allowed to inflict that
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  Speaker 1: on other people. That it's really just the fact as
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  Speaker 1: long as I get to dish it out, I can
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  Speaker 1: take it. I just need somebody that's like under me
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  Speaker 1: that I can abuse in kind. So I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to say that this is like completely un heard of
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  Speaker 1: or impossible. It just is a little bit surprising that
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  Speaker 1: he is so excited to capture her in this way
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  Speaker 1: that feels as if he himself is going to like
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  Speaker 1: benefit from her being captured. So anyway, everybody is like
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  Speaker 1: watching and nobody is doing anything, and off to the side,
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  Speaker 1: we have char lost there, it says in the subtitles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I watched it without subtitles on in my living room,
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  Speaker 1: but now I'm watching on my desktop and it's turned on.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, uh, her brothers and her father are looking
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  Speaker 1: on and doing nothing to save her, and one of
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  Speaker 1: them is like, are we really just going to fucking
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  Speaker 1: stand here? And the way the camera is zeros in
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  Speaker 1: on the King's face, which has gone dark, and he
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  Speaker 1: is doing a deep inhale as if to suggest he
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  Speaker 1: is actually going to do something, but he is taking
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  Speaker 1: a moment to sort of gather himself and get himself
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  Speaker 1: under control. And like there's a bunch of folks off
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  Speaker 1: in the audience that are somebody needs to do something
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  Speaker 1: and beginning to surge forward. I think one of them
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  Speaker 1: is Rebecca. Is she the one with the pink hair?
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  Speaker 1: I actually forgot about what color her hair is. It's
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  Speaker 1: so hard when they all, like the women are drawn
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  Speaker 1: so alike that like I just have to rely on
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  Speaker 1: their size or their hair color, or like who they're
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  Speaker 1: standing around to be able to tell them apart. But
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, So she is being fucking humiliated here, slammed
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  Speaker 1: to the ground, and it is a really awful thing
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  Speaker 1: to watch, Like the fact that nobody is stepping forward
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  Speaker 1: is really really upsetting, actually, And we get Leo, as
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  Speaker 1: the literal smallest person there being the only one who's
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  Speaker 1: just like, no, I am not going to fucking tolerate this,
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  Speaker 1: And it's sort of like, you know, it begins to
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  Speaker 1: art things off a little bit, but it's really you
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  Speaker 1: know the fact that he begins, and then it's is
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  Speaker 1: it Ryle the guy that joins him. They're the only
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  Speaker 1: two that decide to do anything, and when they get trounced,
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  Speaker 1: it's like not there's no sense of anybody else had
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  Speaker 1: been about to jump in. It feels like everybody was
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  Speaker 1: very much willing to stand back and watch the failure
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  Speaker 1: of these two. So when they both get grabbed and thrown,
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  Speaker 1: it turns out that a CP nine is here. We've
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  Speaker 1: got this weird ocaku who turns into a giraffe, which
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  Speaker 1: we get the reminder about later. What's the name of
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  Speaker 1: the guy with the black hair? He's the one who
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  Speaker 1: actually like interrupts them here and Rob Lucci Okay Lucci
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  Speaker 1: he is the he really because like there's a group
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  Speaker 1: of four of them here. I guess his bird counts
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  Speaker 1: as in another individual, so technically five. But they all
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  Speaker 1: are pretty much just complete like boot liquors and insist
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  Speaker 1: there is nothing you can do because they are actual gods.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to listen to you, they don't have
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  Speaker 1: to make sense, they don't have to do absolutely fucking
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  Speaker 1: anything they don't want to, and they don't have to
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  Speaker 1: explain themselves or suffer consequences or anything that a regular
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  Speaker 1: person would do. And I just the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: have thrown in so hard this way is when they
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  Speaker 1: have like the kind of power that they have. I understand,
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  Speaker 1: these people gave them this power, so they're going to
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  Speaker 1: protect that jealously. Makes sense, but it is also just
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  Speaker 1: such an interesting dynamic of like you are, you have
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  Speaker 1: this kind of power that you could tell these people
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  Speaker 1: to fuck off if you really wanted, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: that it has never even occurred to you to do that,
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  Speaker 1: And I wish that you would have a bit more imagination.
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  Speaker 1: That's all Sarah m is saying. CP zero Now same people,
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  Speaker 1: different divisions. CP nine or the government assassin CP zero
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  Speaker 1: are basically the Celestial Dragon Secret Service, that's right. So
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  Speaker 1: he basically just stands there and bloviates about out how
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody can do or say anything in opposition
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  Speaker 1: to these people. It's very, very fucking tiresome, and unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: it seems like most people are kind of like prepared
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  Speaker 1: to accept this. We go from here into the flashbacks
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  Speaker 1: of all of the different times that our people have
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  Speaker 1: gone up against these agents, including just the general moment
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  Speaker 1: of like rescuing Robin and her finally saying that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to live and all of them at impelled down
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  Speaker 1: and everything. You know. So I'm not going to get
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  Speaker 1: into all of that because we've covered this, but I
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  Speaker 1: will say that this is a case where I think
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  Speaker 1: the flashbacks really helpful. It's not that I did not
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  Speaker 1: remember these guys, because they're memorable, so that's not the issue.
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  Speaker 1: But there was just something about getting the scenes again
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  Speaker 1: as a fresh that I was like, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: I kind of needed that. So anyway, I just really
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  Speaker 1: I was really like disgusted with everybody who was not
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  Speaker 1: willing to do something. And finally, when we come back
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  Speaker 1: into the present, VV is one of the few that
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  Speaker 1: like actually begins to step forward and she's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know that this isn't right. You have to stop this.
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  Speaker 1: And then we go to the king and he is
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  Speaker 1: looking down and obviously he is really about to lose it,
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  Speaker 1: and he says something about how like VV, you were
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  Speaker 1: one of our friends or something like that, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry that you're going to have to witness this, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to split their skulls to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the sea for good. And then she throws herself in
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  Speaker 1: front of the selesh Jill dragon and is like, you
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  Speaker 1: can't do this, don't And she says something about how
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  Speaker 1: his wife, because we do get that flashback about how
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  Speaker 1: she was saying, one day we'll live in the sun
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  Speaker 1: and we'll be among humans and it'll be everything will
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  Speaker 1: be different. And he was thinking, before all this began
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  Speaker 1: to pop off, how much he wished that she could
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  Speaker 1: be here and see her dream coming true. And it
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  Speaker 1: was a really sweet moment, which it's made even sadder
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  Speaker 1: once you realize that, like it's still even in moments
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  Speaker 1: like this, it's still not real. It's still you know.
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  Speaker 1: So when Rebecca says something about like, you know what
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  Speaker 1: your wife wanted, he responds with, if this is what
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  Speaker 1: it's like up here, then her dream was dead from
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  Speaker 1: the start. And Rebecca says, don't let the worst examples
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  Speaker 1: of mankind speak for all of us. Don't give into this,
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  Speaker 1: and he's still got his fist raised. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: is the way this works, is that it's always just
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  Speaker 1: this very long pause, and he says, even if we
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  Speaker 1: bear our hearts to them. Humans won't change. I must
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  Speaker 1: save shira Hoshi. This is the only way, and of
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  Speaker 1: course this fucking dragon decides to give the order for
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  Speaker 1: the king to be killed. Shira Hoshi from the ground
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  Speaker 1: is like yelling, father, don't do it, don't give in
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  Speaker 1: to hatred. And he he begins to go in, he
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  Speaker 1: begins to punch, and it really looks like he's fully
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  Speaker 1: gonna do it, but somebody else steps in at the
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  Speaker 1: last second and landsa hit on Charloss that has this
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  Speaker 1: dude like, real fucks up now here. You guys, I
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  Speaker 1: know that I have said this sort of thing before,
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  Speaker 1: so forgive me. But you know we're back in this
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  Speaker 1: sort of situation, so I do think I have to
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  Speaker 1: address it again. I really really despise the framing of
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  Speaker 1: this as the king giving in to hatred, like I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: completely understand that's literally what he's thinking is just like, well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I guess human beings are just fucking trash, which okay,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: not all humans, but they are at an event dedicated
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to peace and unity, and somebody is trying to enslave
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: his daughter a princess. Like the idea that he is
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out of line here is so insane and the don't
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: give into hatred is the fact that quote giving into
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: hatred would be the same thing as like doing the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: right thing and saving his child who's going to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: turned into a slave in front of his eyes, is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: just a really dishonest Like, you know, I just feel
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like this everybody trying to stop him and being like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you can't judge all humans by the way, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: there's so many people here that are trying to stop
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: him or watching and unwilling to step in themselves. I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: find that really Like what's the word I want? I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: just think it's despicable. So somebody's gonna step forward and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: beat you, Okay, well then get beaten. At least you'll
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be able to fucking sleep at night because you'll know
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that you didn't watch a helpless young woman be captured
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and pulled into slavery and did nothing, you know, like
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do anything. Literally, Leo and what's his face are the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: only two that actually start to take a stand on
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this at all. And yeah they get trounced, but they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: did something, so you know, get out of my face. Uh.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Seraphim says that it's more a sheer a hoshi thing
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: than a story saying it thing I disagree based on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: everybody else's dialogue as well. She says that specific phrase,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But it's like, obviously the way that everybody else behaving,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: everyone else not wanting anyone to do something, is more
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: about the consequences for attacking a celestial dragon. Sure, sure,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: but attack the slave catcher. Then you don't even have
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to go after the celestial dragon. Go after the dude
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that's actually got her chained up, get her out of there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And there's just there's a myriad of ways that this
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: could have been handled without just standing there doing fuck all,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And it just causes my respect for everybody there to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: drop precipitously. And the king being about to throw a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: punch is like so completely and utterly justified in every
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: single way that I simply can't be worried about, Oh, well,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: what will happen to him if he at this moment,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't care do the right fucking thing. That's it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: That's all there is. It's just, you know, and I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just it's so vile that there is an audience of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: what seems like over a hundred people and we had
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: two who you know, two people that's it, one of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: whom is like a foot tall, and then the king
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: starts to do something and everybody is literally trying to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: stop him. I just can't get behind it. I understand
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be the celestial dragon boogeyman thing,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work for me in as much as like
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I think, we just haven't had enough contact with the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: celestial dragons for me to really feel that fear about them.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And this is such an utter spitting in the face
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of the point of this whole Reverie summit that I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: can't fathom that this would even be allowed. If anybody
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: who were in like who organize this new it just
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: all of it just feels like there is no other option.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I can't believe how few people are willing to take
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a stand on this. So I just really this made
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: me really disgusted, and I really felt for Shira Hoshi
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: because like it's she's weirdly kind of in the position
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that VV was when she got slapped by Woppole where
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: she can like really start some shit if she wants to,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but instead she just decides to eat it because that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: what's going to be best for everybody. And it feels
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: like this is so frequently the lot of like the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: female characters is we have to watch one of them
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: get disrespected and be willing to like rise above that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: for the sake of the greater good. And I've just
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: kind of had it on that front. You know, this
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: isn't just taking it and then you move on with
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: your day. And he hit you and it was disrespectful,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: but whatever, This is her being pulled into actual slavery,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: like a thing that is meant to be illegal. By
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the way, this is supposed to not be a thing anymore.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So how are you going to pretend that we are
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: all equals at this reverie but then allow the Selest
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Jill Dragons to take whatever slaves they want right out
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: in the open and not even address the fact that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: slavery is clearly still happening. Like there just feels to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: me like we have got the recourse to do some
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: things and to set up of fuss. And I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that part of this is also the fact that the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Celest Jill Dragons themselves, I don't really have a good
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: idea of what any of their powers are or if
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they have it. It seems like they just purely rely
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: on bodyguards and stuff. If they have their own abilities.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It's just not really been showcased yet. It's the sort
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of thing that I imagine they don't want to get their
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: hands dirty. They could definitely have abilities, but they simply
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: don't ever put them into play because that's lowering themselves
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to you know, a fight with a fucking peasant, like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: they would never So there's a possibility there that we've
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: got some other things going on with them that I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: don't even know about. But but yeah, it's just like
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: it just fucking it really made me sad it. You know.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: The way for me to reframe this, when I stop
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and think about it, is just how it's been in
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the US with ice and that they can just grip
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: up anybody on the street, and folks know if I interfere,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I am getting shot, And so we best we can
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: do is just film from the sidelines, yell out what's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: your name, who's your family? A phone number to call,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And that's the best we can do, because we have
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: seen what happens when anybody not even tries to interfere.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: But it's just there in the wrong at the wrong time,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know, in the way. So I think the problem
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: for me is that there are so many like heroic
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: figures that are out in this audience right now for
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this episode. It's not just a bunch of like random
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: civilians on the street watching a neighbor get taken. These
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: are all, like you know, legendary figures in the world
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: right now, and I want them to fucking do something.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Florian says. I think it's a showcase how wrong and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: fucked up the system is and how people are complicit
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: even here. Seraphim says, that's the thing. There really isn't
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: anything they can do. The celestial dragons are all above
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the law, and daring even suggests otherwise gets your entire
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: island wipe from the face of the sea. Florian says,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I do not think it is about the greater good.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: They just don't know what else to say or do.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They are scared, like in the real world where people
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: don't know what's right because they are scared of consequences
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like ice. Yeah, and even our heroes are like this
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: tells us about how deep it goes. Yeah, it's just
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it's just I hated it so much, guys, I really did.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I really and Leo, I can't tell you how much
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: my respect went out for you and the King as well,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Like he didn't actually land his punch, but he fucking
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: does it, So that's something like he was going to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you know, so, like I said, charl Lost gets fucking
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: uh like hit with a what I think is like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a mace, and then we find out that this is
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: how do you say his name? Mioscard h He visited
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the Fishman and was you know, being racist and throwing
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: his weight around and YadA YadA, and he eventually his
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: life is saved by the Queen who throws herself in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: front of him when somebody tries to shoot at him
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and it graises her. She isn't that's not what kills her,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But it's a moment of great sacrifice and faith in
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: humankind that has made a huge impression on him and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: has caused him to turn over a new leaf and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: try and be a better person from within the celestial
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: dragons and you know, be a conscience to this family,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I think is like the best way to put it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And he is, like the way that he went after
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: this guy is absolutely street cred. For me, it's one
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: thing to just say that I'm going to try and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: stop everything that's happening. It's another thing to come out
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and just beat your own brother or cousin or whatever.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And he's putting his money where his mouth is in public,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and I really appreciate this. And he's talking to the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: king and he is just like, I'm going to do
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: anything in my power to help you. And he tells
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Cipher Poul to get the fuck out. He tells the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: slave catcher that that's the princess and he like immediately
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: lets go with a gasp, which the fact that y'all
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: didn't know is bonkers. Like they got an official greeting
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and every thing and came out how many giant mermaids
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: are there? But it is what it is. So we've
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: got one celestial dragon that seems to be worth something here.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I really I want this to be something, but it's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: just a difficult thing. Like this came up for me
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and Rashaan in a conversation about like vigilante group in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the Dress and Files, where we were talking about the
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: one bad Apple defense. And there are different types of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: organizations in which I think there can be one bad apple.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But then there are organizations like the police, where the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: whole way that you train is by backing up your
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like you circle the wagons, and you back everybody up
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that's in your team, regardless of the truth, and that's
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: what you are trained to do, and you are ostracized
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: if you don't. So in that kind of environment, one
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: bad apple is not a legitimate suggestion, because the point
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: of it is all the other apples circle around the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bad apple and make it so that you can't grab
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that bad apple and pull them out, and in doing
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that they become bad apples. Also, it's unclear the situation
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: with the Celestial Dragons, and I just keep thinking about,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: like don Quixote's father and the fact that he broke
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: from the Celestial Dragons and wanted to just live a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: regular life but was unprepared for the kind of vitriol
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that they encountered. And I'm wondering how many other people
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: have abandoned the Celestial Dragons themselves and are out in
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the world just living and in secret, you know, because
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like his spot was blown up some because
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of the attitude that Don Quixote was taking. And I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: wondering if, like I'm wondering if there's anybody out there
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: who managed to escape and just actually keep such a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: low profile that no one found out and if they
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: were to come back and try and throw their weight
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: around with their family, would they be able to? Like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming not because they've been gone for so long,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. Sorry. Seraphim says there's a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: reason Garb refuses to ever accept a promotion because going
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: any higher means he has to answer directly to the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: celestial dragons, and he knows he'll just punch one in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the face if they try it. Not just most Guard,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: don Quixote, most Guard so or relative of Dophie. Oh shit, Okay, yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: so anyway, this whole thing, it's like there's potential here,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but I just don't really know the dynamic within the family. Well,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and we haven't been shown much, you know, it's just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: been them pretty much as the villains. And the instinct
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that I have is like, well, tear them down then
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: just get rid of them all. But then we have
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: this one guy who has turned a corner to suggest
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that maybe they can be redeemed, And of course you
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: need to want to be redeemed. But this guy experienced
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: something really specific that has changed his mind, and that's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: sort of the difficulty, is like he got his mind
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: changed because somebody was willing to throw themselves over him
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and like preach about the tall of us. But another
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: person would have simply heard the fact that they somebody
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: attempted to shoot them, and that would be all they
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: focused on, and not the fact that they were rescued
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: also by a fishman. It would be the fisherman tried
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to shoot me, and that would be it. So it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: if you can never tell, you can never tell how
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: certain personalities are going to react to some things, because
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: there will be little details in there that will really
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: shift the whole way that they interpret an event. So
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: we go to the next episode, eight eighty seven, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: it's kind of getting a call from Big Mom and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it starts off with him drinking alone and yelling at
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the guy who interrupts and being like, you know, I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: don't like being interrupted when I'm drinking and this guy
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: just being like I know, I know, I know, I know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But and we hear Big Mom's voice on the phone.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh fine. So he takes her call and
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: she is letting him know that straw Hat is coming
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, what you're warning me about him?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I think I can fucking handle this guy. And she's like, uh,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: or you don't fucking lay a finger on him, because
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I am going to handle him myself because if I don't,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to lose face. And she has to like
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: really explain this to him because he keeps wanting to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: hear it, as Mom doubts whether or not he can
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: handle straw hat. But finally is like understanding what it
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: is that she is saying. And beyond that, his crew,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what is it that she said to beyond that his
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: crew took something of mine and I want it back?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: What is it that they took? Did they take a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: h is it? Is it Sangy for the wedding thing?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Or I'm trying to remember what else they took? Is
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: it uh the jimbei or oh Zeus, Sarah M says,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and Nami has Zeus. That's right, that's right. Okay. The
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: fact that Zeus is like a literal piece of her
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: soul and that he was still willing to fucking like
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: bounce on her is super embarrassing, Like your own soul
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be around you. Yikes. Okay, So, uh
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Kayito starts to say, I don't give a shit, I'm
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: gonna do what I want and She's like, uh, do
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you not remember how you owe me big time? And
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: he says something like that was a long time ago,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and she responds, it doesn't matter. That a lifelong debt,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and he basically says, whatever you have going on with
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: him that you're pissed about, I promise I've got bigger
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: beef mine out weighs yours. And then we get the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: refresh on the fact that Do Flamingo was in cohoots
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: with Kaido on those artificial devil fruits and the whole
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: factory and how all of that went down. I'm so
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: glad we get this because I had utterly forgotten his
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: connection to anything. And I'm not like, I feel like
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that's valid, you know what I mean? I just feel
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like he we've seen him as this like very hulking,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: menacing figure around, but it always has sort of there's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: been this sense of like disconnect with him him. So yeah,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I just personally was It's it's part of the overall
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: issue with the way that things work with one piece
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: is like, we have to keep introducing threats and make
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: them bigger and bigger, But how exactly do you do
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that and always ensure that they feel frightening and always
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: ensure that we are invested. And there's only so many
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: ways that you can really do that in a book.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: We can have like a POV chapter and really get
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: into the meat of what is going on with this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: bad guy? What are his objectives, what is it that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's like, how are his minions like, how does he
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: treat other people? And you can get a very good
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: sense of a person that sort of pumps you up
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: for what's coming. But I feel like a lot of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the introductions of Baddie's tend towards being a little one note,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and eventually, when you meet them properly and spend some
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: time around them, you start to see like, Okay, actually
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: there is something different about this guy, but it's not
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: really showcased in our first like introduction. And so like
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: we've got that Kaido is extremely big, that he drinks
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a lot, everybody around him is intimidated by him. And
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we had like that one time where didn't he like
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: he did something crazy, like he jumped into the sky
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and like got somebody who was on a sky island
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: or something. What was that guy's This is a while back,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: uh Sarah here Saraphim says, we already had an intro
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to Kaido where when he yiaded himself off about ten
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: thousand foot high cloud then stood up out of the crater.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. I feel like I don't connect
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: as much to the baddies that are just showing us
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like physical prowess. It doesn't make the same sort of impression.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to watch him, of course, and you're like
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: seeing him land in the way everything, you know, But uh,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I just want more about the person that's a little
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: bit more specific, for it to be something that I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: can grab a hold of. And Okay, yeah, Florian is
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: saying he tries to kill himself for some reason, but
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: can't buy the looks of it, and I feel like
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I remember him saying, I've tried to kill myself a
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of ways and it never works. And you know
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that's something like, tell me get get into the meat
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: of that. Why is it that he wants to kill
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: himself so bad? What has he tried? Like? I think
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: he lists off a few examples in that conversation, but
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like us all of them, let's really do this for
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a second. You know, I would love a bit of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a detour like that. That's a lot more about him
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: as an individual, But it just seems like a lot
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of the baddies when we first meet them, what we
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: get is purely a dialogue between them and another battye
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: where they say the most generic like I, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: he's getting too big for his breeches and I'm going
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to handle him, or I'm the one who's going to
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: take him down before so and so like. It always
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: tends to be the same type of smack talk, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I just don't find that intimidating anymore. Really, it has
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to be extremely good smack talk. It has to be
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: really specific for me to feel like I should be
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: concerned at all. So Saraphim says, we're just starting the arc,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: give Oda time to cook. But that's my point, sarahm
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: is that's what I feel about the intros of these characters.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And I feel like we can start an arc with
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: me being invested a lot more right away if we
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: did more than just the same kind of thing over
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and over again. Because the arc, I like the start
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of it. You're making your first impression and it's just
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's just sort of eh a lot, you know, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: once you get to know things and get to know
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the character more you do eventually start to feel like, Okay,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I see what's going on, and this is interesting. But
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could like mix and match the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: dialogue and the scenes of a lot of the baddies
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: and you would never notice at all because it's so interchangeable.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And if they have a distinct personality that you're going
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to bring out of the woodwork later, let's like really
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: see that right away. Give me some of that. Have
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it be that there's like a good amount of time
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: spent with that battie that isn't with the straw Hats
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: involved at all, and let me get acquainted a little
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: bit so that I can feel concerned about the fact
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that our guys are sailing right into danger from the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: specific person. So anyway, yeah, that's my criticism, but I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: will say again that I appreciate the refresh on his
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: connection to the artificial Devil first, because I had totally
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: forgot about that. And we, you know, go back in
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: time and see everybody, like we see what was going
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: on with that fight and everything, and then we find
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: out hilariously that the world government has a tap on
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Kaido's phone, and it's like all of them are kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of they must know we're listening. They're using their own
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: like regular old phone. They're not trying to get in
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: touch covertly. They're saying all of this and letting us
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: know what's going on, which feels like then it must
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: be some kind of deceit. It can't be what it
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: looks like. What are the odds of that? And I
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: really do like this angle of it a lot of
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: just trying to understand why would they do it this
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: way and not keep it secret? Like Big Mom is
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the one who initiates the call, so is she trying
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to set Kito up because she thinks he's not going
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to be smart enough to keep his mouth shut or
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: hide what his intentions are or what you know? And
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: then they all have to decide what they're going to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: do about it. So Kaito's like, you know, setting his
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: cap and about to head out to face off with Loofy,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And now they're all like, should we fucking get involved?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Is this even like something that we should be worrying
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: about because it's a weird thing with these emperors of
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: thee being so ope that the world government trying to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: stop them doing something is a fucking mission, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that's that's a tall order. So I do. I think
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that that aspect of it, with everybody just trying to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: figure out like what the fuck is it that they're
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: trying to do, is genuinely really funny. And let's say
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find this bit here, uh because we
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: do get the flashback as well to like when Lufy
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: first talked to Big Mom and tells her that he's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: coming over there and that he's going to kick her ass.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I've forgotten that he just says that to her, but
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: it's great, and I mean he does. He doesn't kill her,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: but he does like just you know, really kind of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: fuck her day up. So I feel like that's something.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: So then we go over to uh Garp and he is,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you know, listening to all of this gossip and laughing
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: at the fact that Lufy just keeps on sort of
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: biting off more than he can chew. There is a
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: guy here who's new, who's got like a Southern accent.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: It's a very cowboy sort of vibe from this dude
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that I don't remember his name, but he is saying
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that like maybe Lufy is getting a little bit big
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: for his breeches. Perhaps Saraphim says, just beating one emperor
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: took the entire navy HQ, multiple vice admirals, all three admirals,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and all seven war lords, and it still fucked them
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: up hard. If two of them ever teamed up, they
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: know they are fucked Yeah, exactly, And like what gard
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: is saying is essentially this is none of our business,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: like we don't need to be involved at all. And
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: he's just sort of observing, like he's eating popcorn, you know.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: And there is a woman there who says something about
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: how the Rocks look at you as a hero and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: maybe you should take this all a little bit more seriously,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and he seems a bit irritated at her bringing this up.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, sure, I thought you were too
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: young to even know about that. And it's a very
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it's a different sort of vibe here because like the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: narrator actually says, oh, so, what's the deal with the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: rocks and what's Garb's connection to the rocks? What does
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: it all mean? And I was like, why are you?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? Like we have had so
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: many moments where something really weird is introduced or somebody
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: says something that's like obviously leading into a new storyline,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: but we never have the narrator just sort of editorializing
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: or being like huh, huh, you see what's going on there?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Huh to make you wonder. It was just a really
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: like a surprising tone, and I was like, why now,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: why is this something that he's like, We've got actual
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: dialogue for with him, you know. So we then have
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: this like moment of all of these men in what
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: are these guys? They're the World government, but there's a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: name for them. I forgot, but you know, somebody is
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: coming to visit them, and they're saying like, oh, we
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: thought that you would have had the sense to stay
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: out of the politics. So what is it that you're
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: doing here when we've got the whole reverie going on?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And somebody else is pretty quick to be like, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: we appreciate the honor of your presence. And he sits
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: down and you can see that it's Shanks, like the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the red hair and everything out the corner of his eye,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: and he says, I need to speak to you about
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a certain pirate and we just get thee to be continued.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: So the Five Elders is the name of these guys. Cool, cool, cool,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: thank you. Uh Now, it maybe that it's not really
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: really Shanks, but it looks like him, and I'm assuming
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it is unless he's got like a twin or somebody
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: there's a shape shifter, which like god knows, could be
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: fucking true, speaking of where's my mister too? But uh yeah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: so that's that's the end of the episode, is him
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: just saying that to them. And then to talk about
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the the comic, I hesitate to call it that it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: a cover story, I think is what Florian calls it about.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And now this, this is such a weird one. So
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and now I had forgotten about how he keeps calling
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the moon the verth and he like wants to go
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: there and rule over it, because you get the impression
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: that he just doesn't really understand that there's nothing or
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and no one there, But it turns out there is
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: somebody there. Now this is a weird I I'll be honest.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I felt a little bit confused here because they've got
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: a guy who's like on Earth making these little creatures,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: but then it seems like there's a whole factory of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: them on the Moon also, And I'm like, did they
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: know that his idea had like how did this information
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: make it there and how are they utilizing it when
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: it seems the inventor is down here. The way that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it starts off is that and now, like, you know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: he reaches the moon and there are some guys who
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: try and start shit with him right away that he
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: beats the shit out of. And he had seen some
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: fallen soldiers who it turns out aren't dead, and they
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: get like woken up by the fact that he like
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: is you know, getting in fights with everybody, and uh,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the sorry, the one that wakes up. There's like a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: bunch of his brethren who were dead and he's crying
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and they have a really weird look to them. They
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: almost look like terriers, like little dogs. They have like
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: kind of that look. But uh, sorry, Saraphim says, Space
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: pirates are cannon to one piece. No one has any
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: idea what the fuck to do with this info. Florian says,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: all of this is canon, and yes it is very weird.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Some people at every arc are like and now will
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: come down from the moon and smite everybody. It will
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: have been soon like a cult. That is hilarious. I
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: really like the idea of having this extremely weird thing
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: going on in the background in his back pocket, because
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: like anytime Oda decides that he has written himself into
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: a corner, he can just pull this out and be like,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: technically this is canon and anybody who knows knows it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: So he's sort of got a diosex machina in like
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the most literal sense, just in case. And I think
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: that's actually a really really smart idea. But yeah, so
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: like the whole way that this unfolds is of course,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: like he is just very aggressive, so even the guys
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: who are like on his side, he attacks as well
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: without really like thinking about it at all. We have
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a moment let's see Junior Lieutenant Spacey defeated by a
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Space Pirate, this little guy, Oh my god. And then
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: let's see in L's Great Space Mission Volume fifteen, Space
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Pirates Moon Remains excavation plan, which that sentence doesn't make
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: sense to me or this title or whatever, like moon
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: remains is that meant to be just like what's left
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of the moon? What does that mean? And we see
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: like that there is a really huge there's a lot
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of diversity in the Space Pirates, and it's also the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: way that they're illustrated is a little bit different. So
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: because we've got you know, we've got some of these
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: animal people, but one of them is really resembles like
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Goofy in a way in he obviously his vibe is
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: extremely different, but the way that he's drawn is released similar.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: We've got a guy who's like looks like a tiger,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: but there's something bizarre about how he is standing that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: makes me think that he's like actually a robot or something.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: He's got like a clockwork thing on his front that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I think is meant to be an indicator that he is, like,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: you know, some kind of automaton. And the old man
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that this guy, this uh sort of dog man is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: talking to. At first I think he's human, but then
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: when I look at the way that he's drawn, I'm
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: almost like, are the buttons on his front meant like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: are those like buttons like clothing buttons or those like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: robot buttons? Is he also a robot? And I couldn't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: tell because it's like all of this is going on.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: It feels after I really lost. I went through this
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: more than once, and I still felt really really confused
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: about it both times because I think that this is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: supposed to be that like we're jumping back in time
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: and seeing something that happened before, but there's nothing to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: really indicate that, so I might be wrong. And then
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: the next panel is and Neelle's Great Space Mission Volume
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: fifteen Descent, and it's a spaceship but and Neelle is
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: standing on it as if he's like taking custody of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: it or something. And I don't know if descent is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: supposed to mean like we're going into the center of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the moon or what. But we then jumped to flashback
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: born that day on Kairokouri Island, and we get to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: see how these little like soldier guys were built by
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: this sort of tinkerer dude who loved the moon and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: loved to sit and watch it. And one day there's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: like an explosion and it causes him to have a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: heart attack and die. And so all of these little
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: robots decide to go to the Moon to get revenge
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: on the person that blew the moon up and essentially
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: like get their asses absolutely handed to them. And this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: as well, and when Annelle shows up, but he sees
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that the space Pirates dug up some kind of like
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: opening in the in a cave, and when he goes in,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: there's just a whole city inside the moon, and when
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: he uses his electrical powers to attack the town, it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: turns out the city is like full of tiny robots
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and his electrical powers charge them up, and so they
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: like come to attention and walk and join him as
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: loyal soldiers because he's the one who brought them to life.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: And I do not understand, like, does the guy did
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the guy on Earth who built these robots build those too,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: or had he seen those and that's why he was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: obsessed with the moon or did he come from the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: moon or Florian says this cover story came out when
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the straw Hats were on thriller Bark. I think I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: just put it here because there are so many flashbacks
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in the episodes and we've not talked about the cover
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: story yet. Think of it as a bonus. Sarah Fem says,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: good questions we would like to know as well. Okay,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that I didn't miss anything, though, because I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: was feeling, like like I said, I went back and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: reread it a couple times because I was going, hold on,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: I must have like not gotten something and no, it's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: just a very confusing thing. The city on the moon
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: is also named Burka. Lacking natural resources, they flew to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the blue plain it So I think it's supposed to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: be that they are an original species, these robots, like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: nobody built them, that this is just what they are,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and they went to Earth themselves, but some of them
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: were left behind. I don't know, guys, but suffice to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: say it ends with and now being like, awesome, I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: have my own army. And he's acting very much like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: he's about to go and start some shit, but we
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: don't actually have that happen. He's just saying like full
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: tanks is like the last thing he says. So he's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: just up there with these like little guys. And I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: really don't know what to make of any of this.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Seraphim says, it's not the robots that went. The picture
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: on the mural shows winged humans. So the implication is
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the Shandians and the sky people came from the moon.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Ah Okay, I forgot about the mention of them having wings,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: but I still even remembering that, I would not have
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: put it together because I forgot that those people have wings.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot that, so definitely needed that reminder. What
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: a weird one though, real, real weird. All right, well,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I'm over time, so I'm going to wrap this up.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: But uh, I'm glad that we've gotten it straightened out,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: that we've gone back and you know, figured this and Florian,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: thank you for messing with the schedule so that I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: could fit this and not fuck everything up. I hope
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: that y'all are enjoying the coverage despite me being wildly inconsistent.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: And until next time to THELU motherfuckers. That was an
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: unspoiled network podcast.