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'My Child Died': Opioid plague hits America · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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  Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Last year, synthetic opioids like Fintonel
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  Speaker 1: surpassed heroin as the leading cause of drug overdose deaths.
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  Speaker 1: Or people are dying from scription peals and the are
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  Speaker 1: from motor vehicle collectident and the number of overdose deaths
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  Speaker 1: caused by synthetic opioids has more than doubled from These
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  Speaker 1: are people, These are real people, and they're dying out
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  Speaker 1: because nobody seems to care anymore. Altogether, the number of
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  Speaker 1: opioid overdose deaths surpassed the number of deaths caused by
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  Speaker 1: the aids of Adenna cut its peak. In Sulton County,
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  Speaker 1: leaders along with representatives from a private law firm, are
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  Speaker 1: suing twelve manufacturers and distributors of opioid based medication. They
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  Speaker 1: say the company's downplay at the risks associated with the drug.
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  Speaker 1: We were all stunned to see recent images and these
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  Speaker 1: were not doctored. They were not photoshopped, because, believe me,
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  Speaker 1: I investigated it of a couple, nice car, look like
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  Speaker 1: a suburban mom and dad passed out at the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: At first I thought I was seeing an image of
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  Speaker 1: some kind of a hit and run or a crash
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  Speaker 1: or a single car incident. It wasn't. There were children
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  Speaker 1: in the back seat. They were looking at Mommy and
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  Speaker 1: daddy passed out on opioid's heroine. And that photo, that
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  Speaker 1: one image circulated around the world. We are in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of an opioid crisis and opioid epidemic. Other countries
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  Speaker 1: are looking at us saying, look, America has an opioid epidemic.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the US. What how did we get in
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  Speaker 1: this spot? And I remember prosecuting cases and there would
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  Speaker 1: be one guy after the next guy, after a woman,
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  Speaker 1: after a stock broker, after a banker, or after a
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  Speaker 1: soccer mom coming into court with heroin. I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with me. With me now. Mark Tate, lawyer representing
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  Speaker 1: government suing drug companies. That's what it's come to. Dr
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  Speaker 1: William Moroney, opioid treatment expert Nanette Sosa, Crime Stories contributing
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  Speaker 1: reporter and Tim Ryan a and ease quote dope man. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that, dopeman and
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  Speaker 1: advisor to rehab dot Com, Tim Ryan, I'm starting with you.
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  Speaker 1: You we're an addict. How did you get clean? I
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately got clean, being sentenced to seven years in the
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  Speaker 1: Illinois Department at Corrections. As you were just talking. I
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  Speaker 1: was that middle class father. I was a very successful businessman.
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  Speaker 1: I had an office in the Wrigley Building in downtown
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  Speaker 1: Chicago on Michigan Avenue. Like I made a very good living,
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  Speaker 1: but I also struggled with heroin and and had a
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  Speaker 1: five dollar a day habit. I overdose why driving, hit
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  Speaker 1: two cars, put four people in the hospital, one being
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  Speaker 1: a nine month old baby. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait wait wait. Tim Ryan with me a and he's
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  Speaker 1: dope man, advisor to rehab dot Com. And I know
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  Speaker 1: right now I can't see Dr William Roney, my friend
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  Speaker 1: in colleague, but I know he is just shaking his head.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, you did what? I overdoseed why driving? I
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  Speaker 1: hit two cars. I put four people in the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: I was clinically dead on the scene. It took uh
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  Speaker 1: five doses of Narcan to bring me back. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: ultimately started fighting my case. And and here's where it
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  Speaker 1: gets deeper, because unless you live in the world of addiction,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna shake your head now all my family knows.
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  Speaker 1: Dad's a heroin addict, and I had tried some boxing
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  Speaker 1: in the early two thousands and methodone. I wasn't ready
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  Speaker 1: to get sober. In the midst of fighting my case,
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm going to prison. And about three months
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  Speaker 1: into fighting my case, I'm profusely dope sick. And when
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  Speaker 1: you don't have opiates, you're hot, you're cold. It's like
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  Speaker 1: having the flu times a thousand. I'm taking a hot
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  Speaker 1: bath in My seventeen year old son walks in. He said,
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong, Pops? And I said, what do you think, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: I'm dope sick. And he said, not anymore, Dad, Today's
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  Speaker 1: you're lucky day. And he threw two bags of heroin
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  Speaker 1: on the counter. Now with Nick, I was not a father,
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  Speaker 1: I was a friend. I was the father that let
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  Speaker 1: my son and his buddy smoke a little weed, drink
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  Speaker 1: a little beer. And when Nick did that, I got
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  Speaker 1: out of the top and I did those two bags,
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  Speaker 1: and and instantly I felt better. And I went my
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  Speaker 1: son's room and I said, Nick, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: He said, don't worry, Dad, I'm just selling a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Nick, you need to shut this down. Immediately,
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  Speaker 1: you know what this drug gets done to me. And
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  Speaker 1: my son looked right at me and he said, well, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: you're a successful drug addict. And I said, why would
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  Speaker 1: you say that. We always got a nice house, you
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  Speaker 1: have an office in the Wrigley Building, make a good living.
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  Speaker 1: In my son's delusional mind, he thought I was successful
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  Speaker 1: because I functioned. Three months later, my son and I
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  Speaker 1: were doing heroin together. That's how we bonded. Tim Wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, it's
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  Speaker 1: hurting me so bad. I mean, I can tell you've
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  Speaker 1: told the story a hundred times spent. I'm hearing it
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, and I can hardly take it
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  Speaker 1: in because I'm thinking about, you know, every night when
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  Speaker 1: I run back to the back and try to take
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  Speaker 1: a quick bath. In fact, it's so funny, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Maroney. You know my children, they're so used to
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  Speaker 1: me going so fast, they actually thought the name of
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  Speaker 1: a shower was a quick shower. They didn't know you
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  Speaker 1: could take a shower. They grew up here and me go,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick shower. And they grew up
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  Speaker 1: and they go, my mom, and go take a quick shower.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even know. I'm so used to going ninety
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  Speaker 1: miles an hour, so when I'm back there, they always
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  Speaker 1: are coming in and out and talking and showing me
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  Speaker 1: something or whatever they're doing. I'm just imagining one of
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  Speaker 1: my little babies thrown down two bags of heroin. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: tim with me a and ease quote dope Man Advisor
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  Speaker 1: rehab dot Com telling the story. Dr Maroney, I mean
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  Speaker 1: to him, that's normal to me. I'm actually crying right now.
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  Speaker 1: I just to even think of it, Dr Moroney, How
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  Speaker 1: how did we How did we get here? Doctor? There's
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  Speaker 1: been a shift in the new normal, and you may
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  Speaker 1: be uncomfortable with it, but became evident through medical mismanagement.
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  Speaker 1: The proper way to evaluate pain was interfered with by
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  Speaker 1: non governmental organizations, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and they pushed
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  Speaker 1: medications into the public through channels education, medical societies, and
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  Speaker 1: opioids became very common in our society. Okay, spake English.
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  Speaker 1: When you say opioids, are you talking about oxyconton? Well,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean norco vicodin? Oxycon? I went to
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  Speaker 1: I went tool, not denography oxy. I'm still on oxycodon. Okay, oxyconton?
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  Speaker 1: You said something about nor Nook vicodin. Don't even try
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  Speaker 1: to take notes. Okay, I'm putting go ahead. All you
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  Speaker 1: gotta know is pain pills got out of control because
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  Speaker 1: there was an organization called the Joint Commission on Hospital
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  Speaker 1: Accreditation that forced this concept of pain being a fifth
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  Speaker 1: vital sign down people's throats, and some of the governments
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  Speaker 1: in the States and the hospitals and the medical schools said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is a good idea, and they didn't train doctors
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  Speaker 1: are providers how to adequately assess pain and treat it.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what happened to Tim Ryan, because it sounds
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  Speaker 1: to me like it was a bad of heroin, not
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  Speaker 1: at oxycont Now when you're saying, Dr Moroney, you're calling
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  Speaker 1: off all these pharmaceutical names, I think I know what
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about. You're talking about what blues kickers, O
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  Speaker 1: c oxy Hillbilly heroin. Now those are the names I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with those. Well that's what they call
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  Speaker 1: it down in Atlanta. Uh huh. But here's what happens.
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  Speaker 1: And when people start getting kicked off, they moved heroin
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  Speaker 1: with a blink of an eye. When when people no
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  Speaker 1: longer have access to the pharmaceutical medication that was pushed
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  Speaker 1: on them. In a blink of an eye. They transfer
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  Speaker 1: because their their minds have been rewired. They don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be sick, and starting heroin is just the next
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  Speaker 1: step and that's the new normal. So Tim Ryan, addicts
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  Speaker 1: may crush peels before swallowing or snorting them, dissolve pills
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  Speaker 1: and water inject them, get multiple prescriptions for narcotics from
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  Speaker 1: different doctors, go to the emergency room to get more
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  Speaker 1: peals when they run out, request emergency refills for medication,
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  Speaker 1: drink alcohol, or use sentence or other pain killers with
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  Speaker 1: their prescription. Uh, take prescription painkillers without a prescription, just
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  Speaker 1: for any reason. If you know someone that's doing these
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  Speaker 1: things and more, you've got a problem. Tim Ryan any
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  Speaker 1: dopeman advisor rehab dot Com. I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: to that moment that you thought it was normal it
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  Speaker 1: was okay for your son to come in with two
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  Speaker 1: bags of heroin. I would completely nut up and burn
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  Speaker 1: the house down. Okay, I don't even know what I
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  Speaker 1: would do. Uh what happens then? So you have to understand,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm when you're and I will never
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  Speaker 1: justify because ultimately, my son died and I will be
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  Speaker 1: the first to admit I helped kill my own son,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to live with that for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of my life. I didn't start Nick on heroin, but
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  Speaker 1: he followed in my footsteps and and I own that.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was in that bath profusely sick, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, Dad, I've got two bags of heroin. It
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  Speaker 1: was good. I can do those. You're not trying to
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  Speaker 1: get high, I'm just trying to feel normal. And within
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  Speaker 1: two minutes I felt normal. And then ultimately Nick and
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  Speaker 1: I started using. And then I was sentenced to seven
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  Speaker 1: years in prison. And when I went to prison, I
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  Speaker 1: left my wife high and dry, our house and foreclosure.
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  Speaker 1: My addiction caused damage to everyone near and dear to me,
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  Speaker 1: and by the grace of God, I was able to
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  Speaker 1: get into Sheridan Correctional Center in Illinois. There's twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: prisons in Illinois. Two of them have a therapeutic community
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  Speaker 1: run through West Carre and I got into that. I
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  Speaker 1: did thirteen and a half months in that prison. My
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  Speaker 1: wife divorced me, I lost our house and foreclosure. I
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  Speaker 1: displaced my four kids and my wife. My son was
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  Speaker 1: an active addiction. But all I did was plugged into recovery.
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  Speaker 1: My cellmate night eighteen hours a day, and that sell
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  Speaker 1: studied the Big Book of Alcoholics, Anonymous, the na he said,
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  Speaker 1: texts of Bible, read hundreds of books. I wrote the
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  Speaker 1: business plan for the foundation I run today in that
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  Speaker 1: prison cell. When I walked out, Shannon, my former better half,
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  Speaker 1: picked me up. She had a little town house set
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  Speaker 1: up for me in downtown Naperville. Because I am forty
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  Speaker 1: nine years old today, and as someone was saying earlier,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, looks, I don't have a driver's license. I
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  Speaker 1: have not had a driver's license in sixteen years due
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  Speaker 1: to my driving. No revolts driving and getting d uise.
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  Speaker 1: But the good thing is I have a full time
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  Speaker 1: driver in a company car. And my full time driver
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  Speaker 1: is my my nineteen year old son. So I get
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  Speaker 1: the honor and privilege of working with my son every day,
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  Speaker 1: speaking in schools too, and everything we do. But I
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  Speaker 1: got out of prison. Shannon brought Nickmack, Tim Ryan any
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  Speaker 1: Dopeman advisor rehab dot com. You're you're Jackie and I
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  Speaker 1: own the studio. We can't take it in. You're going
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  Speaker 1: so fast this this story I mean every sentence as
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  Speaker 1: a whole knee. You think, so your wife that divorced you, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: while you were behind bars getting yourself together, she got
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  Speaker 1: you a town house to move into while you're in jail.
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  Speaker 1: And my mother did. And even though Shannon divorced me,
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  Speaker 1: she still brought two of the kids to visit me
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  Speaker 1: every two weeks. She was my biggest supporter. And I
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  Speaker 1: asked her, I said, why did you not give up
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  Speaker 1: on me? She said, Tim, when you went to prison,
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  Speaker 1: my heart was broken. Then it got to be a
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  Speaker 1: task to come and see you. Then I was excited
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  Speaker 1: that you were getting out because I had a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of hope that you might turn your life around.
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  Speaker 1: And I did. I I started at the support groups,
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  Speaker 1: so I have the families and persons struggling coming At
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I set up my foundation. I stumbled
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  Speaker 1: into working for a treatment center doing outreach. And then
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  Speaker 1: on my nineteenth sobriety day, my twenty year old son
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  Speaker 1: Nick was back in treatment for the fifth or sixth time,
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  Speaker 1: and I went to meet with Nick and he said, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to speak all over the country. We got
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  Speaker 1: such a crazy story, I said, Nick, I would want
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  Speaker 1: nothing more than that, but you need to get into recovery.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry, Dad, I will. He got out. Thirty days later,
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  Speaker 1: he's back in Cook County jail, Sellem bogus Fells trying
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  Speaker 1: to buy heroin. He did forty five days he got out.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon picked him up, took him to lunch and said, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: we're done. You're not coming to my house. You're not
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  Speaker 1: coming to dad's because all you do is light, cheat
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  Speaker 1: and steel. Don't worry. I got it all figured out.
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  Speaker 1: Five days out of jail, I called Nick and I said, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: this is three and a half years ago. I said, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: come to my house and get some nark in. I
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  Speaker 1: was doing a big training event the following week. We
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  Speaker 1: started handing it out our support groups and he said, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: I promise you I'm not on that ps anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: I believed him. Two days later, Shannon called me at
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  Speaker 1: six in the morning, said, Nick overdose. I'm coming to
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  Speaker 1: pick you up. We shot to Hinsdale Hospital. We ran
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  Speaker 1: into the emergency room, Jim and Shannon ryan to see
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  Speaker 1: her son Nick. He overdosed, and thirty seconds later the
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  Speaker 1: chaplain walked out. I knew my son was dead, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask people what was my next thought, and they'll
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  Speaker 1: say you wanted to go use No, my next thought
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  Speaker 1: was I'll be at the six o'clock twelve step meeting.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I did. And there's a lot more
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  Speaker 1: to it. But my son died on my twenty one
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  Speaker 1: month sobriety date. The newspaper was doing a big article
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  Speaker 1: on me because that following Thursday, I was doing a
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  Speaker 1: big narca and training event and the reporter called me
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  Speaker 1: and said, Tim, I'm going to cancel the story. I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're not. She said You're not going through with the event,
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  Speaker 1: are you? I said absolutely. I laid my son to
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  Speaker 1: rest on Wednesday. I did the event on Thursday and
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  Speaker 1: in the paper it said anti heroin crusader lose this
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  Speaker 1: on to overdose. Unfortunately, in my son's passing, Nick really
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  Speaker 1: instilled what I do today. I can't change the past.
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  Speaker 1: I can't change anything I did. All I can do
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  Speaker 1: is take this pain, my thirty years of in and
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  Speaker 1: out of addiction and use it for a positive to
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  Speaker 1: benefit people today. And I've assisted over three thousand people
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  Speaker 1: into treatment. My full time job, I worked for a
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  Speaker 1: treatment center out of Florida, Transformations in Delray Beach. I
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  Speaker 1: speak all over the country. This is my life. Seven
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  Speaker 1: since Nick Paths, I buried a hundred and seventeen people
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  Speaker 1: about how so many people would be angry at him,
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  Speaker 1: blame him for his son's death, find fault with him.
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  Speaker 1: happens when you are on an opioid? How does it
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  Speaker 1: take over your whole life? How does it suddenly? How
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  Speaker 1: is it okay? Your son comes in and gives you
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  Speaker 1: a bag of heroin and you're okay with that? Which
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you have to understand is at the level that you're using.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: If you don't get enough, you get sick. And what
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: drives you back is not necessarily the need to get high,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but you have to stop getting sick. And that's what
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: everybody else in America doesn't understand about how the brain
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: has been rewired in these people, and the number of
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: milligrams they continue to need to not get sick goes up,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and they try to do enough drug to stop getting sick.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But what we know, it's almost like there's this third wave.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I talked about prescription drugs. That was the first wave
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of addictions. The second wave of addictions is the onset
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of heroin into our culture at large volumes four or
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: five years ago. The third wave, which is probably starting
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like sometime last year, is the introduction of fentanyl alone
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and fentanyl in the heroin. People are trying to get
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: back to just not being sick, but it's clear that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: fentanyl and heroin are changing the American landscape forever. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: all the doctors are ill equipped, but just not enough
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: addiction doctors to help. Hospitals are inaccurately trained, and the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: governments can't catch up with this because it's exploding. He's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: trying to just not get sick and what we need
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to do. I have a book that clearly outlines how
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: heroin and fentnill are exploding and the only answer are
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you talking about American arcams? That's Dr William Maroney's book.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's one of the many ways Dr Maroney is fighting
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the opioid crisis. Right now. To anyone that needs help,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: now dial eight hundred to seven three eight to five,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: eight hundred. We've got to educate families to fireproof themselves.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Eight hundred to seven three eight to five five, Tim Ryan,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: any dopeman, could you tell me? Because I have never
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: used a drug um an illegal drug. When you take heroin,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: what ceiling goes through your body? So I never glamorized
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: heroin used But the way I will explain it, I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: was over a year clean and sober when I tried heroin.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I was going to twelve Step meetings, but I liked
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the sponsor myself, and I thought I could get sober
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: through Osmoses. I I did it my way, and I
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: took a guy to Chicago to move out of his apartment.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: His roommate pops out, what are you doing? I said,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm moving out, Joel? What are you doing, He said, heroin,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you want to try some. When I snorted that first
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: bag of heroin in two thousand and one, I thought, Wow,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm looking for, this, this is this
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: is it. And for the first three weeks I did
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a bag or two a day. I was able to work.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I thought I had more energy. And then I ran
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: out and I got profusely sick and found out I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was dope sick, and and I never ran out. But
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, pain pills, cotton, all the things the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: doctor mentioned are there to relieve your pain, but so quickly.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I took a thousand people and put
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: them in an auditorium and locked the door and I
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: gave them all opiates for a week straight, every person
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: at the end of that week will be addicted opiates.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: That's how powerful they are. And what's happening today is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: this these younger generations, and it's sitting the older aren't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: drinking beer. They're going right from weed to pain pills,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: say heroin that quickly. I mean the youngest hean attict
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I've worked with, is twelve years old. The oldest is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: seventy eight. This affects everybody. Mark Tate is with me,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a lawyer who is actually suing the drug companies. Mark Tate,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I really don't know how you do it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You have so many cases, and you are a veteran lawyer,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: very well respected. Mark. Tell me in a way that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we can all understand. Why are you suing drug companies?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Mark Tate, I'll tell you why. I fancy it's um.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible story of what's happened, and it's all
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: about massive pharmaceutical companies and the power that they have
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: to shape the way Americans and the rest of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: world think, but especially in the United States and here, Uh,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: First of all, we're one of two countries in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: entire world where drug manufacturers can market directly to the public.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And we see the ads all the time. Go ask
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: your doctor if you should take this drug, ask we
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: should take this drug. And so here the pharmaceutical industry
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is touched on, you know, in part by Dr Moroney.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They contrived this notion number one, uh, that these drugs
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: are used to treat what is your fifth vital sign?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And number two then they said and came out with
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and published in the American Journal of Medicine UM that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: opioid medications were not addictive. And then the first we
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: need to get people out into the medical public, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we're called bug reps or detailed reps, and those detailed
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: reps were trained to go to surgeons and say, listen,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what you really need is you need to be able
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to perform your surgical interventions on your patients, and then
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you need them to be pain free from that surgery,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: completely pain free. And no OxyContin is not UH is
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: not addictive, and no hydro codone is not addictive, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: no fentnyl is not addictive. And so the reason that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they did that is the massive profits that they make
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: because you know, the cost of manufacturing these drugs is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: very small in comparison to some other other drugs, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: so the profit margin is massive. And so I started
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to see some time ago that some folks were trying
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to do individual medical doctors for over prescribing, and those
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: lawsuits generally did not fail. So about a year and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a half two years ago, I, along with a former
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: partner of mine, approached Fulton County, Georgia, because they, like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Dr Moroney's area has its own public health department where
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they incur great deals of cost directly related to the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: opioid manufacturing of the opioid crisis, which was existing two
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: years ago. Well, what you're taking on a very very powerful,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: very powerful adversary by suing drug companies with me, Mark
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Tate kind of feels like a David and Goliath scenario.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Ninette Sosa, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Nanette, why is it
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: being termed an epidemic a crisis? And I noticed that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the president just declared war on the opioid crisis. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I recall, Nanette Sosa. When I first started as a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: district attorney in inner City Atlanta, the elected D A.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Louis Layton sent me to the hill, in other words,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the Assembly the Georgia legislature to push anti crime issues,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and the politicians were forever making this proclamation and that
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: law and this law. But then they wouldn't give in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: any money, so the laws meant nothing. I mean, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: could order somebody to drug rehab every day of the week,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but without a drug rehab facility, there were not enough beds,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so they would sit in jail for a year waiting
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: their time will be done. They get out without ever
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: getting rehab. So when you put a law on the books.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: That's a joke. That means nothing unless you give it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the money the nets. So so, why what are the stats?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Why is it being called an opioid epidemic a crisis
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: In the US, it's called an epidemic because it's been
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: so overprescribed by physicians for a while. Beginning in the nineties,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: there was an under prescription problem. People um complained. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: because of that, regulators became involved and said, well, let's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: loosen these regulations so physicians can prescribe more pain, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: pain pills, and so as a result, users then became
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: addicted after being prescribed. Today, people who are using or
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have been prescribed massive amount of opioids for their pain
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: no longer get prescriptions. Now they're hitting the streets and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: using it illegally. Dr William Moroney, let's talk about statistics.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Why is it being called a crisis an epidemic? Explained
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that to me, here's the number one reason why the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: numbers are going up so fast. In two thousand fifteen,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: there were fifty two thousand, four hundred and four overdoses.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: In two thousand sixteen, CNN, the CDC, and The New
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: York Times quoted sixty four thousand opioid overdose deaths. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: project in my book American Narcand for two thousand seventeen,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: we will have over seventy thousand, almost seventy nine thousand overdoses,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and by we will have over a hundred thousand overdoses
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in America because the first wave, the second wave, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the third wave are just happening so fast. It's outpacing
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: medical education, it's outpacing criminal justice. I'm listening to Dr
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: William Moroney, author of brand new book American Narcan Opioid Expert,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, A and E's Dope Man with me Nanette Sosa,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Tate, Tim Ryan. My husband had a very very
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: dear friend that he worked with for years and years
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and years, and he had the apple of his eye
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: was his son. Okay. I don't know if you've ever
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: seen um the Harry Potter series, but I always think
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of Cedric Diggory, who his father just you know, worshiped
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: his son and then his son dies and the pain
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you see that reminds me of this father, this father's son,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: my husband's friend, always great student, cross country track star
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and some private school, I mean everything. You couldn't even
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: see this guy at the grocery store that I'm showing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you pictures of the son at this track made he
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: won this. He did that. His son tried heroin. Tim.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He tried heroin. After the first time he got addicted.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The father immediately sent him to the best addiction recovery
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: center he could find in the whole United States. He
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: got clean, he came back, he got back on track.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The next thing we heard, he died of an overdose.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He was seventeen, Tim seventeen. It's it's people you don't expect,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know. It's people out on the street. It's junkies,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it's uh, the waitress at the waffle house. It's across
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: all races. Um, it's the rich white kid. It's everybody.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, it's you. It's your son. He's dead because
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of an overdose. Explain it to people that don't understand,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that have never used opioids. So you know, we have
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to understand here, this is the new in drug. When
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with kids or family members struggling. I wanted
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to fit in the pressure. I just wanted to try it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And if you try it that one time, that's it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And as the doctor said from five years ago when
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I was using too. Now it's not just heroin, it's fentinyl.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Fentnol is a thousand times stronger than pure heroin. Even
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of these pills that kids think they're buying
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: azan x bar it's crushed fent it's pear fentnyl. You know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: it's everywhere. We need much more education. And the thing
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I hear from families, not my family. We live in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a good community. We go to church on Sunday. So
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: what you need to know who your friends are involved with,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be into their technology. Disaffects everyone. The big misconception Nancy
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is the heroin addict as a homeless person on the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: corner with the needle in their arms. My son never
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: used the needle. He started heroin and his buddy gave
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: him a bar azan x. The average heroin addict today
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is a twenty two year old white middle class female,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and it's twenty three year old white middle class male.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I am in the middle of central Illinois right now,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in farm communities. I'm speaking at three high school today.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: One high school has four hundred students. They've had ten
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: overnose that's in this little community in the past year.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: This is everywhere. It's not going away. It's getting much
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: much worse. But what else is happening to We need
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: laws like the Good Samaritan law. When I speak in
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: high schools all over the country, none of the students
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: know what the Good Samaritan laws. And the Good Samaritan laws.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: If me and you were doing drugs together and you overnose,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I can call one. The police will com hopefully save
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: your life, take the drugs, leave. Nobody gets arrested. Because
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: when my son died, he was with his girlfriend and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: two other friends. They knew Nick was overdosing, and they panicked.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: They were afraid to call the police. They had drugs,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they didn't know about the law. They put him on
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the sofa, he was breathing. They went in the basement,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: did more drugs, forgot about him. Came up an hour
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: later and Nick was deading. You know, I've been reading
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: online and I want to go back to the Good Samaritan.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: While you're talking about I read a story, worry about
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: story about a mom named Kim Farreneck. She lost her
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: daughter Dana to a drug o d Now listen to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Dana what she is on the high school swim team,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a cheerleader in junior high and high school, her whole
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: life ahead of her. She got into a cycle of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: addiction treatment relapse, addiction treatment relapse. She got her straight
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: out of one relapse and took her on a vacation
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to Wildwood. And this is the part that broke my heart.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: She says. I remember this trip like it was yesterday,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: because for that week I felt like I had my
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: daughter back. But right after coming back home, she found
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: her daughter face down, cold in blue. She died of
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: an opioid overdose. She is pushing an laxon. Dr Maroney,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: what is an Laxonlaxon is the generic name for one
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of the brands, Narcan. It's been out for forty years.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Surgery and the emergency room have used the lock zone
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: as an injectable to reverse anesthesia and overdose in the hospital.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: We need to change the model. We need to put
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: generic Nloxo or branded Narcan in every home in America
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to prevent children, parents and spouses from dying. We have
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to change that model. It must be in every house.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And this is so obvious because opioids have run rampant
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and the translation to heroin is transparent. It's it's just
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: so easy. If you're taking high doses of opioids, it's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: simple to crush them and check them or snort them.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And as soon as you do that, there's no difference
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: than heroin. So people make that transfer. And the only
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: way we're going to stop people from dying is putting
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the lock zone or narcan in the homes. We have
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to add to keep people with books and movies and videos.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I wanna talk about the fact that Tim Ryan,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: so often people get addicted or they try heroin or
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: for the first time because it's offered by a friend
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that they know or a family member. That's that's how
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: they get into it. Tim, I I agree and with
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: with prescription pain pills. Fifty of the kids that get
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: started on pain pills get them from a family member
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or a friend. So so Johnny on the track team
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: hurts his knee and dad says, well, you know what,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I've got some Viking in from when I had my
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: back surgery. Take a few of these or these parents
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: are having unused prescriptions left in their medicine cabinets. Get
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: rid of them. Because Johnny comes over to cut your
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: lawn and says, hey, Nancy can I use your bathroom?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Sure you can, Johnny. He goes in. He's rifling through
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: your cabinet, taking all your unused prescription pain meds and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and Narcan is essential. But I want to take Narcan
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a step further. It's a tool to save a life.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But what's happening. I just had a kid overdose Saturday night.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: His mother called me. The paramedics came, they revived him,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: he refused to go to the hospital, and they just left.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: They didn't bring in any peer recovery supports specialists to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: talk to this kid. Twelve hours later, he overdosed again.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: See every time I overdosed. As soon as I got clarity,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I was out of the hospital. I would like to
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: see a law put into place whereof someone overdoses and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it is brought back by narcan through a paramedic or
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, they're remanded into treatment on the spot. If
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: they did not have that drug, they would be dead,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and we're letting them walk out of the hospital three
• 35:40
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• 35:44
  Speaker 1: we do not let people have oh heart attacks at
• 35:47
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• 35:51
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  Speaker 1: all of these issues about overdoses. We have instances in
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  Speaker 1: by that taxpayers ultimately in order to essentially subsidize the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinal Health and Purdue Pharma and Jansen Pharmaceutical, and all
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  Speaker 1: of these companies are subjected to practices that are uniform
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  Speaker 1: Controlled Substances Act and Pharmaceutical Practices Act. But the issue
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  Speaker 1: is and what we will overcome because of finally, community
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  Speaker 1: is tired of bearing costs? Is what happened to the
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  Speaker 1: pay for their burials. Yes, yes, and yes and no.
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  Speaker 1: And is that the true crux of the problem. And
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  Speaker 1: but it's expensive. So this is one community that's taking
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• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the people I worked with when I was prosecuting what
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  Speaker 1: you have to do to break free of this? And
• 43:45
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• 43:49
  Speaker 1: why is it so important that you break ties with
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: old friends? Change your phone number, no alcohol, smoking nothing,
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  Speaker 1: Admit your mistakes and go to KNARC on its anonymous meetings.
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  Speaker 1: Why are those steps so important? Because you have to
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  Speaker 1: understand what the big misconception families have is I sent
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  Speaker 1: my loved one to treatment. A the average opiate addict
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• 44:30
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• 44:33
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• 44:37
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• 44:40
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• 44:47
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  Speaker 1: things totally different, Um, and that's what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: Tim Ryan, I would have got Nick on a plane
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  Speaker 1: I noticed the same thing Tim, that when people would
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  Speaker 1: get out of jail, they just go back because I
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  Speaker 1: guess they don't know what else to do. They just
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  Speaker 1: go back to the same people they knew before, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: history repeats itself. But I want to ask to keep
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: about the other issues. Why is it so important that
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you don't have any alcohol, smoking, nothing. Why the addicts
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: say that while you have to understand, once you've went
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: into the opiate world, there's no going back. So you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: get people that, UM get on vivatral and they might
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: not have the cravings for opiates, but that's another tool.
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  Speaker 1: You still need to be loving, living recovery. But if
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  Speaker 1: I go back to smoking some weed drinking, I will
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  Speaker 1: ultimately go back to my drug of choice. If you
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  Speaker 1: sober up a horse seek, what do you have? You
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have a sober thief. So you need to teach that
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  Speaker 1: person how to live life without altering their mind. And
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: what I asked people is what's so wrong with you
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  Speaker 1: that you need to be altered? You need to get
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  Speaker 1: to the underlining clauses and conditions. Um And I looked
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: at my life and I had a lot of trauma.
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  Speaker 1: I was adopted. I had an older brother that was
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  Speaker 1: a narcissist and beat me up all the time. I
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  Speaker 1: had learning disabilities. I was molested by a female baby
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  Speaker 1: center at twelve. Boom. There's all my trauma that was
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: never dealt with. Drugs and alcohol became my solution. Why
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: is it? Tim Ryan with A and E's Dopeman Also
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  Speaker 1: with me, William Dr William Moroney, author of American Narcan
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  Speaker 1: mark Tate, high profile lawyers suing drug companies, and investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter for crime stories. Ninette Sosa. Why is it so important,
• 47:18
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• 47:22
  Speaker 1: ties with all of your older friends. That's hard to do, Tim, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it is. And I'm gonna go back to the people
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• 47:31
  Speaker 1: take me an opiate addict or an addict in general,
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  Speaker 1: no tools, no resources, and release me within thirty days.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be back to use. And that's what we do.
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  Speaker 1: more twelve step based, Christian based smart recovery, refuge recovery
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• 48:00
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  Speaker 1: The one key factor that people don't have is jobs.
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• 48:27
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