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Ritual Abuse Survivor Exposes the Vatican, Blood Rituals & the Global Death Cult | SS EP04, Part 1 · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Thank you for being here for episode four of this Survivor Stories series. If you've been with me for the first three episodes, you've already heard things that most people spend their whole lives denying and just avoiding exists. They're closing their eyes, they're plugging their ears in, and it's writing it all off as these tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.
• 0:41
  JR Sweet walked us through being born into a satanic bloodline and programmed by the CIA as a sleeper assassin. Kathy O'Brien described being sold into MK Ultra by her father and then trafficked at the White House level for thirty years and surviving long enough to name names in a congressional record that was immediately buried under national security, of course. Then most recently, Anika Lucas gave us a firsthand look at how child trafficking works at the level of the global elite, even the Bilderberg circles and the men who run countries and use children as currency. Each of these conversations was hard in their own right, but this one goes further than all of them. And I want to be really honest with you about this upfront, but before I tell you about my guest, I want to mention something.
• 1:32
  So this is actually the second time that she's sat down with me a short while back before I ever launched the Survivor Story series. I had her on the show and what she shared in that conversation was some of the most significant testimony that I'd heard at that point and it was actually one of the conversations that helped me understand just how far this all goes and one of the main reasons why I created this series. So who is this person? Her name is Max Lowen. So Max wasn't sold into a trafficking ring, she was born into a family that was already embedded within this system.
• 2:05
  Her father's diplomatic career exposed her to this dark network across multiple countries from the time she was really small. Her mother, who herself was a program survivor with her own fragmented identity, was actually present during a lot of these horrific things that were done to Max. So in this episode, she takes us into an underground Jesuit facility outside of Rome connected by tunnels to subterranean levels of the Vatican that go far deeper than we're supposed to know. She describes rituals that she witnessed down there attended by popes, politicians, Hollywood figures, global leadership, and she also describes what was done to children in those rooms. Now, the descriptions that she gives are really graphic, more graphic than anything in this series so far.
• 2:55
  So, I considered maybe editing some of it out, but I chose not to because, for one, I think that sanitizing her testimony would be doing a disservice to what Max has gone through. And but also, it's doing a disservice to what you're coming here to hopefully understand. So just know that going in. Right? So she talks about the elite hunting parties that she was taken to at mansions where children were forced to run and hide while powerful adults hunted them down.
• 3:24
  She walks us through how the global pyramid of control is structured from the dark entities at the top through the governments and all the way down to us, and why the system itself depends on our ignorance for to keep running. She also goes in a territory that the previous episodes didn't touch. She talks about Israel and what she refers to as the Jewish question. She talks about civilizational resets, the great flood, fallen angels, and a framework for understanding the human history that goes back much further than most people are comfortable looking at or acknowledging. So this isn't a conversation that stays within the the comfortable political or religious categories.
• 4:06
  It challenges almost all of them. So I just want you to be prepared for that. Now, I want to speak to a few specific groups before we go any further. If you're Catholic or if your faith is rooted in the church, I just want you to know that this conversation is not an attack on you, your religion, or the people that are sitting in the pews, or any kind of genuine relationship with God. Max talks quite a bit about the Vatican and some of these religious institutions, but what she's describing is the evil that is operating within these institutions.
• 4:39
  It's hiding behind the face of faith. So I'm also not endorsing every claim that she makes. I'm just letting her speak, and I want you to follow your own judgment, follow your own discernment. If you're a Trump supporter, this discussion will also challenge you. Max doesn't give any exemptions to political figures or national identity from the framework that she describes.
• 5:04
  So just be prepared for that, but ultimately follow your own gut, and just be ready for the picture to be bigger and more complicated than any single political team. I also want to say something plainly for people who are new here and who are already maybe looking for reasons not to believe this. I understand. I I've been there. Nobody wants to live in a world where any of this is happening.
• 5:28
  But we know that MK Ultra is not a theory. Like, the government declassified documents, thousands and thousands of pages that show us exactly what they were doing. We know that the CIA deliberately broke human minds. We know that powerful, powerful men traffic children. So what we're doing in this series is not asking you to believe the unbelievable.
• 5:51
  We're asking you to follow the evidence that you've already seen a little further down the road. As with everything, don't take everything that I say or everything that Max says as the absolute truth. Right? Follow your own intuition. Follow your own discernment.
• 6:06
  That's probably the most powerful tool that you can develop right now in a world where we're surrounded by propaganda and narratives and lies and deceit. Build that muscle of discernment. Listen to what your own gut tells you. Now, the standard warnings I say at the start of every Survivor Stories episode apply here too. And I mean them more this time than I ever have before.
• 6:28
  This episode is not for children. So please don't have little ones in the room while you're listening. If you're sensitive to this kind of stuff, maybe you should be cautious on your own. Just just want to give you a warning. Now, if you're a survivor of trafficking or ritual abuse or any kind of trauma based mind control, if you carry fragments of these kinds of memories that you've never been able to explain, just be really careful with this one.
• 6:55
  The content is more intense than previous episodes. And I mean, honestly, maybe you want to watch it with someone that you trust or just press stop and pause if you if you need to. There's no shame in doing that. Now, this is a long conversation. I mean, I ended up being close to two hours, a little over two hours.
• 7:12
  So, I've split it into two parts so that you can absorb what Max is saying without being just overwhelmed by it. So, take a breath, make sure that you're somewhere comfortable, safe and let's begin. This is part one of my interview with Max Lowen. Max Lowen, it's such an honor to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for coming back here with us today.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, and thank you for wanting to interview SRA and MKUltra survivors because I think what we've come out of and, can expose is gonna be really important for the world.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: I I couldn't agree more. And I also, you know, wanna give you credit and and thanks because when the Epstein stuff was happening, that's when you and I did our first interview. Was kind of as Epstein was starting to quiet down a little bit. And some of the focus was on that Epstein and acknowledging that this is now becoming a much more public discussion. And that interview was so well received that that's what really kind of gave the idea for this Survivor Series.
• 8:27
  And I also just want to share something of what I'm coming to understand is that, you know, I've got a whole library of books on whether Jim Mars or the Committee of three hundred or any number of books, you know, Fritz Sprigmeyer, that kind of research a lot of these topics. But what I found is that it's very different looking at someone who has studied this information and piled information and wrote a book or done research on it, is very different than talking to someone who is inside of that system. And I find that I've learned more from talking to people like yourself than I've learned in any of the other books in understanding how the system actually operates.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, personal experience is important.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: It is. And so our last interview was more of just an overview. And I think that in today's discussion, I wanna just take a handful of topics and and really hone in on them. And I guess that well, I guess maybe before we jump into these specifics, for people that didn't get to see our last interview, do you want to just give a however brief you want to make it, just a little bit of an introduction to your background?
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: So my experiences being put through satanic rituals and experimentation and torture are mostly in and around the Vatican. I was taken to an underground military facility that's Jesuit based and that has tunnels under the ground that connects it to the subterranean levels of the Vatican way, way, way down, further than people would think. People have said to me the catacombs or where the coffins are. No, it's way, way, way under. And I have witnessed under the Vatican children being sacrificed.
• 10:32
  So I would be taken there from the facility. There was a sort of a magnetic train and children would be brought in and severely brutalized, raped with crosses and things like this to get the adrenaline going, and then they would be sacrificed while they were alive. And there were usually a ceremonial knife that was used, and they would cut them from here down. And they would collect the blood in these very ornate gold chalices, and it would be attended by anyone from the Pope to politicians to mafia people to actors and actresses, you know, global leadership people, and they would drink the blood, pass it around. Sometimes they would pluck out the heart if the child was really small and just eat it.
• 11:37
  And these rituals were in homage to Lucifer. So the Vatican is Luciferian. That's actually their real God. If you think of the ritual of communion where you quote, eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus, that's a distortion. That's a satanic ritual that people unwittingly participate in.
• 12:04
  And in the facility, it was huge, like a city block huge, and it had everything, every kind of technologies. A lot of the rooms were like part of two or three of the walls were glass, so people would observe. So I was observed a lot and put through all manner of tortures, including obviously rape, beatings. I was buried in coffins a few times in sort of symbolic ritual. I was put in these boxes that had no light, no rim, no nothing.
• 12:52
  So they were like an isolation chamber where no, you know, I didn't know if it was day, night, up, down. Electric shock being put in really extreme temperatures. They had this big industrial freezer. I remember being hung in one once by a hook and there was a dead, I think it was like a chimpanzee or something next to me. They had a whole section with animals that they tortured viciously and brutally.
• 13:25
  When they figured out that me seeing other beings be hurt was the worst thing they could do to me, they started to do more of that. Unfortunately, there were different psychological experiments and there were these impossible choices, which I'll let you ask me, I can go into specific examples, but where I had to either kill one person or a whole bunch of people would be killed if I didn't kill one, and things of that nature. I was also taken to a lot of these elite parties. I think I've mentioned it before with you, the Eyes Wide Shut movie portrays those parties, except they didn't show or maybe they edited out the part where the children are brought for the people in attendance to pedophile. And I was taken on part to parties outside on grounds at these different mansions and big beautiful places where they're hunting parties.
• 14:30
  So you're supposed to run and hide in the woods and then get hunted. At these parties, children are always sacrificed. And I've seen several times babies cooked and brought out on a platter. And these folks eat humans as well as drink children's blood. So this is the kind of, and I was also trafficked a lot to different VIP people.
• 15:01
  So I'd be at someone's house for a period of time. It seemed forever to me. Sometimes it was out of really nice hotels, and then sometimes in the dormitories in the Vatican.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: So, for some people that haven't been exposed to this kind of information, and they hear, even that short testimony you gave, it's part of our own normalcy bias or cognitive dissonance just to reject these things that seem so fantastical and so you know, like the truth is stranger than fiction, right? It's like there's no way that exists. And I've seen all kinds of I've gotten into the different, like, even Reddit threads on SRA victims, and you can you can see the the ways people try to discredit this kind of information. They'll say, well, these are implanted memories or this, that, and the other. And for me personally, I've done enough research.
• 16:02
  And for me, I I validate my own research through patterns and through seeing the same thing across 30 different stories that are that don't know each other. And you can start to understand some of these just these the depth and the reality of these topics. But for someone that says there's no way this is all true, how would you how would you respond to that?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I do understand in my mind why that person would say that. It's horrific. It's something, it's traumatizing to hear. And it's hidden. So it isn't something that, normal life would be exposed to.
• 16:44
  On the other hand, I lived it and my body doesn't lie. I have had to go through so much healing from that. And I have friends now who are also survivors in different countries, in different ways. And we all something about that when I started meeting other survivors was really strangely reassuring because I thought, okay, I'm not crazy. Like our stories are very, very, very similar.
• 17:19
  It's a playbook that they use. But I understand that because when some of the more horrific memories started to come up for me in my early forties, I thought I was crazy. You know, it's very jarring. I mean, it fits, you know, my life made sense. The holes that were empty made sense.
• 17:43
  I discovered, you know, it all did, it was very helpful to piece it all together like a puzzle that had been missing these huge chunks. But I understand that. We don't want that to be true. And the last thing I'll say about that is because we're human, right? So we have compassion, we have empathy.
• 18:04
  We have these things called mirror neurons. If someone in front of you, like if your child falls and skins their knee and cries, you feel it, right? Even if you watch a movie and it's sad, you feel it and you cry. But the people that do these things are not like us, okay? They're psychopathic.
• 18:25
  There's something that has been severed in them where they don't feel, they don't feel that in fact, they actually derive great pleasure and joy in being extremely sadistic. So, they're not like us, and that's why, no, we couldn't do it, but I assure you they can and do.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I think that something to add to that is that we also have this idea that humanity has advanced, and we've become more civilized, and we've left behind these older practices. But if you look back and even when you look into biblical times, right, there's a lots of instances of, you know, child sacrifice to Moloch, to Baal, to different, you know, dark entities. And it's a story as old as time, that this has been part of cultures and part of societies really since the beginning of time. And so, it's almost as if to say, Well, there's no way this stuff is happening now. You're either saying that there's no way it happened before, or you're saying that, Well, maybe it happened a thousand years ago, but we've changed.
• 19:35
  And if you look around at society, I'd say that we're a pretty immoral society. And if you look at what happens at these very high levels, and you look at the go watch the Olympic ceremony and see all of the satanic and Luciferian imagery that you see in there, I mean, you can if you have the eyes to see, you can see it everywhere.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it never stopped. It just went under the ground, literally under the ground. So all over the world, there are underground, they call them dumps, sometimes they're military bases, places like the UN or places where they have these big, like Bilderberg group meetings. All these places have an underground area where children are brought in for the, you know, as party favors.
• 20:22
  So this continues. It's underground many hospitals, some psychiatric hospitals, you know, with the Presidio case, it's under, schools, preschools. So it just went underground. And like you said, the satanic imagery that's out there, you know, now that people are a little more aware of what pizza is code for, You can see it in every Hollywood award show or, you know, is out there in plain sight. They're talking about it and they're doing it.
• 20:55
  And I would actually also say that there are certain practices that we have been convinced are good and normal, such as childhood vaccination, that our child sacrifice, that's an above ground version of that, in my opinion.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, even circumcision. You look at it objectively, why on earth would you do that to a newborn baby?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't make any sense. And in many countries in Northern Africa, they do it to girls. They, quote, circumcise them, which is they remove the clitoris. So And
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: why you? I know that, again, through my study, I've understood that there are certain children that they trace bloodlines, that they come from a certain bloodline that gives them a certain status that they're gonna not like they're gonna prevent you from suffering or being tortured, actually it's the opposite, right? They do even more. But I also know that a lot of the children that they bring in are, they're just the cattle. They're just, they're orphans, they're part of breeding programs to create these children.
• 22:03
  But there are some of the children that are chosen to be put through these this this path and, you know, like yourself, and and not to be killed, right? To allow to be to live through this. And so, I guess, why would you say that you were even put into this? Like, what's different about you than the next person? And why is it that you were able to go through all this and not be one of the children laying on the altar?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's a few answers to that. And one is pretty simple, which is they can see who comes in. They had technology to see who has a lot of light. And the dark is parasitic, so they need our life force and light to do their evil deeds.
• 22:51
  And so when certain children are born and they have like a higher light potion, those are the prized ones. They're going to, because their idea is to take that and turn it into, yes, invert it and use it for dark. So that's one aspect. Another aspect is, and my family wasn't up there in terms of someone like the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers, but with people at that level, they groom their children for future global roles. And so, all the trauma and the torture, it's trauma based mind control, it's used to create a dissociated person, dissociated parts or alters to be programmed for specific tasks.
• 23:43
  So we are told that somebody just gets elected or they're talented or something. No, these things, these people are groomed and created from birth for their future role. So that's another aspect of it. And in my case, you know, I was raised in many countries. I speak many languages, native fluency, from birth, I grew up multilingual.
• 24:11
  And I was being groomed. I was trained to have a photographic and audiographic memory, Made it really easy to go through school and university because I would read a page in a book and I could just summon it back up. And then I was trained as it's called beta sex kitten training. So see, the pedophiles, they don't want a screaming, terrified child to rape. They want a sexualized child that seems to want the activity.
• 24:51
  And so they train a lot of children basically how to service adults sexually. And these people have some pretty depraved habits as well, you know? So I was trained in that and also then with my memory to collect intelligence, right? And also became a psychologist And then later when I remembered, I realized, oh, I was also, I had gifts in telepathy perception. So I was taught how to read people really well and how to manipulate and how to, so there's, you know, that can be very useful because all of these people, you know, they want blackmail on everyone.
• 25:43
  So they'll give them a child And then, you know, that not only will they have video or proof of that, but in my case, I was collecting information for them as well. So that was, that's, I think that hopefully that answers your question.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It does actually. And even, Annika Lucas, who I recently interviewed, she was describing some of her training that was, done in Germany, in a castle in Germany, and how part of what they were training her for was being able to look at a person, say a man, and actually sense exactly what that person's most darkest pleasure would be. So she was kind of repeatedly shown videos and then asked different questions. And if she didn't answer them correctly, she was tortured for it. So she'd had to, as a survival mechanism, kind of heighten this sense that she had so she could look at a person and understand exactly where their weak point was, where the lever was to control that person.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, you know, once I got out, and I was in The US, and I was in school and stuff, it took me a while. I was still behaving in these ways that I was trained. And so I was very seductive and I could literally seduce anyone I wanted. So, you know, I'm not proud of that later, but it was unconscious until it became conscious.
• 27:15
  So, yeah. So there's a value for them in that because also children won't be, people will talk around children. They think you're, you know, you're going to absorb and record and transmit that information.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And so how did you get out of this? I mean, you would think that someone like you talking about these things and exposing this information would be a great threat to them. And we know that obviously they have no conscience when it comes to killing people or faking a suicide or whatever it is. So how did you exit that program? And how have you been able to stay safe amidst all of this?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: You know, the first answer is divine protection. So, you know, I've told this story before. Before I incarnated, I remember volunteering to come here to this planet. This planet is an extremely important place in the universe, and it has been hijacked by dark forces. And we've been in a spiritual war of good and evil for a long time.
• 28:30
  And so many people, not just me, but incarnated here to help, to help as an assist to kind of move things more towards the light. And so I chose to incarnate behind enemy lines, so to speak. And so I do remember as a child, I was always talking to Jesus. That being who is an incredible being of high, high consciousness. He was a freedom fighter.
• 29:01
  He hated Satanism. He came here to try and defeat it. And so I had this telepathic or this ability to communicate always with him, and he got me through a lot of that stuff. But what I would do is I was a spy for the light. So I would report what they were doing to him to because on other dimensions, this war is being fought.
• 29:28
  Right? And so those of us here on the ground can be helpful in sharing information as to what's going on. So as much as I was being used by the dark in a similar way, I was also transmitting everything that I saw back to the forces of good. I never, I overheard them once saying when I was really, really small that I was like a great source of life force energy and light, and that they were going to use me for the dark and convert me. And that was a mistake because I overheard that and I never forgot that.
• 30:09
  And I was just, that went in me and that's what kept me alive. I was like, no way, you're never going to turn me ever. So there was something in me that survived and was just determined that they would never get me no matter what they tried to do. And I wanted to survive because I wanted to speak out now, And now this war I feel is ending and we've won. The light has won.
• 30:38
  That's why it looks so insane out there. But I wanted to survive so that I could expose this because they base their entire system on pedophilia, on not just the trafficking and rape of children, but the eating and the harvesting and the sacrifice of children. If that gets known, you know, we take that, their whole thing crumbles.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Interesting. I also would imagine if you look at a lot of these agendas to push pedophilia, which you still see it, and you're seeing it really, really out front now, and a lot of even the the Hollywood movies and even, you know, there's a recent thing with, think, Sidney Sweeney was dressed up as a baby, and there's a lot of sexual stuff. And you can see they're doing everything. Or even looking at Disney and looking at these shows that I might have watched as a kid and thought nothing of it, you look at it now, it's like, Wait, why was that 13 year old actress that was starring in whether it's a Hannah Montana or Clarissa Knows It All, why was she dressed like a hooker at 13? You can see that they're bringing it in.
• 31:45
  So, is part of it is that, do they want to make it so that pedophilia becomes so common and so accepted that they no longer have to hide? Is that part of what this is?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yes. Two things I, because, you know, I recorded everything. So two things I remember them saying is that around now, they were going to normalize Luciferianism and pedophilia. And the Vatican was going to be the place that was the one world religion, and they were going to connect and be friends with Islam and Judaism and become one Luciferian religion. So that was their plan.
• 32:31
  And then to normalize pedophilia, absolutely. And if you look at, social engineering has been done on us for decades and decades and decades, and we think it's just culture organically flowing, but it isn't. It's all behind the scenes manipulated. So if you go research the Tavistock Institute, which started doing this right around World War II, their aim was social engineering to herd us into the great reset now, into the one world government. And so if you look at culture, I don't know, in the 1950s, 1960s, it was family based.
• 33:09
  A man had to court a woman. You had sex was part of marriage, but it was also spiritual. It had many dimensional levels to it. And by their, they do it little by little, but they've groomed us today to a hookup culture where you sleep with the first person you meet, you don't even know their last name. And that's considered cool and normal.
• 33:32
  Like think of the difference right there. That was done deliberately. And then in TV shows and sitcoms, they show children wanting to date at earlier and earlier ages, you know, the sexy Halloween costumes. And then this whole LGBTQ thing, they want to put a P on the end of that. Now, I just want to be clear.
• 33:54
  I think people should love who they want to love. If you're gay, if you feel that you're trans, that's totally fine and should be okay. But they don't care about that community. They're using that community and piggybacking their pedophile agenda on that. Okay?
• 34:17
  So the whole trans thing and the whole don't offend anyone in 300 pronouns, it's a brain scramble and it gets people scared to offend. And then the next person you can't offend is the pedophile.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I see. So it's almost like the whole thing is just this funnel into this end goal of normalizing pedophilia. And I'm, you know, I'm you know, for me too, it's like, okay, I have my own moral kind of perspective on these issues and what I think is right and what's not right. But, you know, you can, you know, you can do what you want to do, right? That's it.
• 34:53
  If you're taking that stuff and pushing it onto my children, that's when I've got an issue with it, right? It's like, what you do behind closed doors, it's like, Okay, I'm not going to come try to police that. But when it becomes this cultural push, that's where I take issue with it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And they are doing, and they are coming for the children. And, you know, whereas it was a small under ten percent amount of people, for example, that were transgender, now in youth, it's like fifty percent. And that's social engineering. And a lot of people who have transitioned have then regretted it because it's you know, so people can be socially manipulated and mind controlled. A lot of, you know, you remember being that age, it's hard to go from a child to adult body, you have issues and they've thrown that in, Oh, well, you must be a different gender.
• 35:48
  Here, take hormones and cut things off. You know, and that is itself satanic because one of their gods is transgender. So that's, again, it's very complicated. So I just want to be clear. I'm a live and let live, like you say, if I want to dress like a guy, which I don't, but if I did, fine.
• 36:13
  But that's not what they're doing. They're trying to normalize pedophilia. It's a grooming process. And if you look out there today, it's pretty sick, you know, with these drag shows and children being taken to pride festivals where men are simulating anal sex, like this is not, or even in the schools they're teaching. I read about a German daycare where they had a masturbation room where kids could go and I've seen videos, part of the UNESCO thing, where they're teaching kids about touching themselves and whatever.
• 36:49
  This is grooming for pedophilia. There's an appropriate age when a child naturally begins to be interested in that, but it's not when they're five. That's actually messing with their brain. And I consider it a form of sexual abuse.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Doctor. Oh, I agree too. It's a brave new world, orgy porgy. Right? It's the exactly.
• 37:13
  And so I wanna focus in a little more on the Vatican and the Jesuit connection and some of those details. And, and keep in mind in in in my own kind of framing of this is there might be some Catholics that are watching this. And it's not saying that, oh, if you're Catholic, you're an evil person. It's actually actually my, you know, my my dad's side were all Catholic, and they're really, really good people. Like, they're they're phenomenal people.
• 37:38
  They're moral people. But it's similar to looking at America. You you know, by saying that all the American government is absolutely corrupted and evil, it doesn't mean the American people are corrupted and evil. It means that the positions of power at some time throughout history have either been co opted or from the very beginning set set into place as a position of power for this hidden evil. And so but looking at looking at the the Vatican and just, I guess, what is your view of the Vatican and the role of the Vatican and what happens there?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: So I want to echo first what you said. People getting together in churches and doing good deeds for their community and having a connection with the divine, however they do it, is good. And it's never the regular people that are the problem. It's top layer of every institution that has been infiltrated or is run by these evil people. So I think it's just really good to mention that no one's bashing anyone's faith.
• 38:50
  You know, the Vatican has been tasked with trying to take ownership of our souls. Now, can't really, you can't take anyone's soul, but the birth certificate system, which that's a whole different rabbit hole, right, is part of that. And so everyone is registered and owned by the Vatican. So their sort of task is the mind control arm. Right?
• 39:24
  So the Vatican City is not part of Italy, just like Washington DC is not part of The United States. That's a military arm.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: The city of London. Yeah,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that's the financial arm. So they have their military, their financial and their mind control, right? So the Vatican is trying to basically is taking the light and inverting it and creating darkness from that light. And so we actually don't, you know, there was a time when no one had a birth certificate. That's a scam.
• 40:01
  And you're basically unwittingly signing your child over to be owned by them and whatever state that child is born in, which is why CPS can come and take them. So they're probably, maybe I'm biased because I was tortured there, but I would say they're one of the most, if not the most evil organization on this planet. And they pretend to be godly and holy, and they're not. Okay? They are Luciferian.
• 40:34
  And if you go to the Vatican Auditorium and if you stand at the end of the auditorium, I think you may have had some images last time, I don't remember if it was you, but if you look at it from behind, you can see that it's a serpent head with some fangs. There it is. Yeah. And then if you if you zoom in to the middle between the two fangs where the Pope sits and the Swiss guards sit, that sculpture back there is probably the most demonic thing I've ever seen. And if you can get a close-up, I'll point something out about the supposed Jesus figure that's in the middle there.
• 41:15
  The whole thing, it's huge, is yeah, there you go. That is, if you zoom in, it's incredibly demonic. And look at the Jesus's head. Look to the right. That's a reptilian face.
• 41:29
  Okay? That's supposed to be his hair. But if you look with eyes to see, you'll see what it actually is. And so this is what Satanism does. They take something of the light and something good and they invert it so they can steal the essence of that light and use it for evil.
• 41:53
  So they have taken this incredible high level being Jesus and made him the centerpiece of this church of theirs with rituals where you're supposedly eating his body and drinking his blood. And with, instead of saying that empowering us, saying we have to obey, we're sinners, we're born bad. And they've really done a number on the teachings of Jesus, which were freeing and empowering and twisted it all around so that they can use this extremely high level, high conscious being to actually try and oppress and enslave us. The popes, people think, oh, the holy father, you know, I mean, the pope is I'm going to tell you, Seth, that I have been in rituals with Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II, where they have raped, cut up, sacrificed children in the most disgusting and heinous ways. If you look up the Ninth Circle rituals, you can find out more about it there.
• 43:17
  It refers to Dante Alighieri's work where he talks about the ninth level down, which is hell. They do rituals with children often on yachts in international waters because of the law of the sea being different, and they will cut up the children after the ritual and throw the body parts to the sharks. I've seen this and they the popes have been on these yachts. Okay? So I'm sorry to burst people's bubble, but these guys are the darkest of the dark.
• 43:57
  And they rape, they traffic, they brutally torture and they kill children, starting from babies, babies, newborn babies. These people will rape a newborn baby to death. I have been in rituals where they have a pregnant woman on an altar and they cut the baby right out of her and then they rip it to pieces. They stand on either side and they literally rip it in half. I don't want to traumatize your viewers, so maybe I won't say a lot more, but these are who these people are and they pretend to be of the light and godly and they're not.
• 44:44
  Okay, they worship Lucifer. I saw it under the ground in those subterranean levels. When you brutalize and sacrifice a child, it can open portals and demonic entities can enter the room. And there are many people, royals are implicated in this, popes, anyone high up in the Vatican, anyone high up in any global leadership position. I have seen people in these rituals willingly take an entity into themselves to take over their souls so they can voluntarily do that, you know?
• 45:27
  So these this is I mean, I know it sounds it's actually worse than any horror movie they've ever put out there, but this is what and who the Vatican is.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And so and I, I mean, I absolutely believe these things. I mean, it's a spiritual battle. And it's like, you believe in angels, if you believe in demons, if you believe in God and the Son of God, and you believe in Lucifer, in the existence of these, not like to believe in worship way, then this makes sense. I mean, if you're being objective, right? It's like, what do you think is happening in hell?
• 46:10
  Is there a chance that those things are also happening in the hell that they've tried to create in these hidden rooms on Earth? I think, yeah. But so, is part of this the role of these sacrifices, obviously, you know, people that have done some of the research, you come across adrenochrome. And from a kind of entry level, you think, Okay, it's like a drug. If you watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, right?
• 46:36
  It's like, Oh, it's a drug, and you get the adrenal high from it. And they say it's better than heroin, and it's, you know, reduces your aging. And but there's also then the spiritual aspect of that, which is the stealing of the essence, right? The essence, I think, of the soul that God put into these bodies that they are trying to steal and suck out, which is, you know, it's a common theme in so many horror movies or stories, whether you're looking at vampires, that they suck the blood. I mean, it's you can see that this is it's not something that is unknown.
• 47:10
  And so, on a deeper level, though, is it does a lot of this ritualistic behavior, is it really about connecting to these dark entities? And and are these rituals that the layers above in this pyramid of control that it's almost like at the highest levels, they have to do these rituals to access the level above them to receive instruction, to receive power. I mean, what's happening on that on that level? Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Yes to everything you've said. So basically, there's the story of the fallen ones. Well, that's true to my knowledge. And so they want to be God. They want to.
• 48:05
  So they but there are there is God's law. There is universal law. So people have said to me, why would God allow these things to happen? God isn't allowing anything. We have free will.
• 48:19
  This is a free will planet. So these entities at the top, that's when the war started. So how are they going to create? Because now they can't everyone co creates with God. So now God's not going to co create evil with them.
• 48:37
  So they now need to kind of, because there's consequences for going against universal law and God's law. So they got into the gray area. They got really sneaky and they started to have downlines and downlines in the hierarchy. So these, you know, the Illuminati, the Black Sun, all these people, and then down below is us. And so they manipulate us.
• 49:08
  They mind control us. They poison the heck out of us in every way so that we will consent and do their dirty work for them because we're the boots on the ground. So somebody's injecting that baby, somebody's spraying chemtrails from that airplane, somebody's going to blow up people in another country. Now humans don't, it's, it, it, they've been so clever. People don't know.
• 49:33
  They just grow up in this reality and think this is normal, but they've been so clever that they, so they escape punishment and karma from doing bad things. They get people below them and people below them and people below them to do the things that So they're trying to basically be the head honcho, You know, it's kind of bizarre, but these people, so people are promised wealth, fame. You know, these people at the highest levels, they have mansions and airplanes and cars, and they're protected because the way our reality is set up satanically, it rewards psychopathy. It rewards sadism. It rewards evil.
• 50:25
  It rewards cheating and stealing. And so these people, as we know now, they can do whatever they want and they can get away with it because the judicial system, again, it's for us, it's not for them. So they have a privilege and a status. And because they're narcissistic megalomaniac egocentric psychopaths, that feeds them. So they will do anything to have that, right?
• 50:54
  It's so, doesn't make sense to me. I would never want to be that, but you know, you have to understand who these people are. And so they have a layer and a layer above that, layer below that. And so every layer is a useful idiot to the layer above, but they don't know it. And then governments are the face front to us.
• 51:19
  So we think that we elect people and they're going to do this and they have the power and they don't have any power at all. It's theater. It's for our benefit because if you're going to manipulate and harvest off a human population, why haven't they killed us all? Because they need us for their energy source. It's best to convince people that they're free, that they elect whoever runs them.
• 51:43
  And then those politicians if you're a president, you don't have any power in that hierarchy. You're a puppet. So people get, but we, you know, and then we vote for psychopath A or psychopath B. And then that voting is our consent to be ruled by these people. You see, if they say we're going to shut down the world, you have to wear a mask and stand 10 feet from people and you have to close down your business and people do it.
• 52:16
  Well, that's consent. Right? If they say something and we don't say no, that's implied consent. It's very sneaky. Don't get me wrong, it's not fair.
• 52:30
  But that's how they've gotten into that little gray area and been so successful. And along the way in that hierarchy, they created a dark AI. So we know today now that an AI runs everything and can find you. And, you know, even back in the seventies, when I was underground in the Jesuit facility, they had technology to implant emotions and thoughts into people's brains. Okay?
• 53:00
  So they have that ability. They have used everything. It's so amazing when you think about it, you know, the water is fluoridated, the food is GMO'd and they spray these things. They've created all that, you can find the patent for most diseases unless they've wiped it off the internet, it years ago. But that speaks volumes, the lengths and energy and resources that these people have invested in keeping us our lifespan short, keeping us poisoned, keeping us sick, keeping us mind controlled because they own the media folks.
• 53:40
  Rockefellers created the modern educational system and the medical system, right? It's all designed to control us and to lower our consciousness. But wow, they've done all that just to keep us in the most reduced state that they can so they can harvest from us and they can use us because we're actually more powerful than them. And that's what they're scared to death that we'll find out.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting. And so, I want to get more into some of these facilities and some of this technology. But before I get into that, I want to just get your thoughts on, you know, what is, in many ways, such a controversial issue. And it's taking a look at the role of Israel and Judaism and the Jews, right? Now, I spent a lot of my adult life working in the Diamond District Of New York City.
• 54:38
  I had a lot of very close relationships with the very Orthodox Jewish community. And there's a lot of wonderful people that I met within that community. And that's why I've been so hesitant of really kind of saying, Oh, we'll just blame it on the Jews. Because I think that that's also just playing into what they want us to think. It's like saying, Oh, we'll blame it on the Chinese.
• 55:02
  Well, no, it's the Communist Party, it's not the Chinese. And so But if you also look and you do the research, and you're looking at whether it's media, Hollywood, tech companies, powerful political positions, you can see that the people that have dual citizenship to Israeli people that are of Jewish origin, even looking back at Bernays and Freud and some of the people that were really critical and key in a lot of these social engineering programs, you can see that they very often, they are smart. They're all part of this very, very tiny population. But I also think that similar to a lot of things we've about, it's very easy for the evil people to hide within something, and to hide within a religion, to hide within a nationality, etcetera. But, again, there's these people.
• 55:51
  It's like they feel like, oh, I finally discovered it, and it's all the Jews. But then they ignore the Vatican. They ignore the Chinese Communist Party. They ignore the city of London, and they just focus on that, which I think that's personally, I think that's part of the SIOP. I think that they want people Yes.
• 56:07
  To try to pin everything on this one particular group. I'm not giving them a hall pass because I've done extensive research, and you can see, yeah, they have extensive control over governments and over the shaping of culture. However, I think that it's much deeper than that. And so I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you see the role of of the controllers and the high up powers within that religion and within the nation of Israel, and how you see that interacting with the goals of the Vatican, the city of London, etcetera.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the people that have been running the show are way above countries. So countries are like chess pieces on a chessboard. Israel was created at the end of World War II deliberately to be used as such a chess piece. So the Jewish people are innocent just like the Catholic people, just like any people.
• 57:04
  It's not the people. The name Israel comes from Isis, Ra and El, which means God. Okay? So this state was indeed created to be used in an evil way and so it's like a secret society in a way that people belong to. Like you said, there are people in key positions everywhere that belong to this, I don't know what you want to call it, country sect.
• 57:35
  But it's not the people, it's never the people. And the Vatican, under the Vatican, there's a big, huge tunnel system and there's tunnels that go straight to Israel. So they work together. So it is one global cult with many different factions. But ultimately at the top, they all work together and they, it's, it's, so this has been planned well in advance.
• 58:03
  And so in the Bible, they say the end times and, you know, the Israel and the Islamist world and all that. Well, that's not a prophecy from God. That's them telling you because they have to tell us the revelation of the method. These are the plans for the reset that they hoped we would have been in already and we're not. So this is all told to us because this is what they plan to do and how they plan to do it.
• 58:37
  So it's not that some, oh, you know, this is all written and, you know, again, the best form of mind control is truth mixed with deception. So the Bible has a lot of truth and it's also mixed in with a lot of hell of a lot of Satanism. Okay? The Lord who's wrathful and jealous and demands you sacrifice, you know, God sacrificing his firstborn son. I mean, that's Satanism.
• 59:04
  Okay? And so they confuse it. They mix it up. But yeah, no, it's yes, Israel was created to be part and parcel of this plan. And the plan, as far as I remember hearing it back, you know, sixty, fifty or sixty years ago, was that by now China was supposed to have become the next superpower because they move the superpower every seventy, seventy five, eighty years.
• 59:35
  You know, there was a British empire, there was, you know, this it's been the American empire. And if you pay attention, they've been sending everything, manufacturing and industry from America to China for decades. We've seen it, you know, I've seen it since I've been in The US. That was the center of power was supposed to move there. Well, didn't happen.
• 59:56
  So things are glitching in their plan. But I would and and this is going to be unpopular, and I apologize and triggering, but the savior program is just that. It's a program. Okay? They it's a program to keep us disempowered, to keep us doing nothing and waiting for someone to come save us.
• 1:00:15
  And Trump is not a savior. He is playing his script that's given to him. And his script is to destroy America and to create such havoc in the world, as you see now with the oil and the that we that everything you have to collapse the world as it is to herd us into a new one. And then it's all the AI and the Palantir and all that that's all ready, and they want to move us over. And that's what all this show is about.
• 1:00:47
  But we get caught in, oh, this country and against this no. It's all part of a bigger plan. It's being the the the strings are being pulled from people that you don't see. Okay. So Israel, yeah, it has been designed to facilitate the annihilation of a large portion of humanity and basically herding us into a transhuman AI surveillance based, Luciferian, pedophile society.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: And so one thing I actually, I want to just add to some of things you said about the Bible is that, because I've done some research into this, and you can see that the Bible has been changed quite heavily over time. Certain things have been redacted. You have certain books that were never in. And I don't wanna, you know, kinda come across with the perspective of that it's it's bad. Right?
• 1:01:45
  Because obviously, I don't believe that. Right? I believe that a good person can find truth and find God and get closer to God through it. Right? I absolutely believe it.
• 1:01:54
  But I also think that even if you look back in more recent history in the grand scheme of things, the introduction of the Schofield Bible and the ideas of kinda inserting some of the things about Israel and and Zionism that you can see that that can be a tool that can be used. And so, I think it's just important to, I guess, just to just kind of share my perspective on that and looking at it has been, as you've seen throughout history, it's, know, that even why they made sure people couldn't read in the past, they didn't want people reading the Bible. Wanted so you had to go to your priest or whoever your religious leader was so they could interpret that text for you.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they don't you know, the occulted knowledge, you know, we hear that word thrown around. It just means hidden. Speaking of the Vatican, they have miles and miles of ancient scrolls. Our entire history has told to us is a lie.
• 1:02:49
  I mean, there's truth in it, course. There's always, the best mind control, the best lie is a mix of truth and distortion. So, they have knowledge. Why do these people at the top use astrology? You know?
• 1:03:07
  They know psychology. They know the nervous system, which they manipulate in us like crazy. They have knowledge about us that we don't have, and they keep us ignorant on purpose. And, you know, Rockefeller started the modern educational system and universities, and they're really to indoctrinate us into what they, as much knowledge as we might be given to be useful, but not enough to, you know, actually free ourselves from this situation. And we've been reset many times throughout history because of who we are, we get uppity.
• 1:03:49
  We start to wake up, we start to become rise in consciousness, love. We have love. They don't have that. And that is the absolute most powerful force in existence. So, you know, they planned to reset us now, but what my eyes are seeing is that it's not working out for them.
• 1:04:11
  It's not. There's no vaccine passports. There's no social credit system, except in China, which was an experiment in, okay, every country was an experiment. Okay, we'll really be totalitarian and communist here, and we'll see how that works. And then we'll have this individualistic country called The USA where people, you know, can do whatever they want, have guns, but we'll poison the heck out of those guys.
• 1:04:36
  Their food is going to be the most poisoned and their medical system is going to be the most poisonous. Well, you know, so that's what they do. They kind of try this and try that. But I think I lost my train of thought there. But basically, yeah, the bottom line is I don't think that their great reset is going to be success.
• 1:05:01
  They should It was supposed to be done now. It was supposed to absolutely I know it was supposed to be done by now because I remember hearing about it. And so, oh, that's what I was saying. So we, like in The US, there's no social credit system, there's no vaccine passports, there's still no digital currency and digital ID. Mean, they keep trying and they like to put their, again, they have to put their plans out there because the shame is that people don't realize that it's our consent that makes it go or not go.
• 1:05:35
  Right? But I see them failing, and the show, it's a show. Politics is theater. Right? Wow.
• 1:05:43
  The show's looking really schizophrenic to me right now.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: No. It it yeah. It seems and maybe it's by design, maybe it's not. But yeah, it certainly seems just insane looking at it. It seems very, very, very chaotic, very divided.
• 1:06:02
  And from one angle, you might think it's intentional. It's supposed to just kind of confuse everyone to the nth degree. But you could also look at it and see that there's something not working. And I agree with you too, because if you look at these plans, you look at these agendas, I mean, Agenda 2021, it's like, well, we're well past, you know, 'twenty one. Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Right? And we're still, I'd say, relatively free, compared to what I think that they want us to to where they want us to be. Now one thing actually, I'm curious, I wanna kind of ask you a little about China and the shifting. And I've heard this actually, in in different people and different books I've read about this, that they're that the the center of the world order was supposed to shift to China, and that they were gonna have more of the China centric new world order. And but you can see that it's not happening.
• 1:07:02
  And there's think there's a lot of reasons that I see, but what are the reasons that you see as to why that shift has failed? Because I think that's probably a really important key in understanding why the overall plan has failed. Because if they've got a big battle move of repositioning one of the major centers of power and that doesn't happen, it kinda the whole plan's out.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Simply because the power structure is a pyramid, and the people at the top aren't here anymore. Because this level of the spiritual war has already been won and consciousness is too high, the frequency is too high for them to exist. They're very, very dark. So middle management has been running the show. So the cult, again, has always been unified and run from the top down.
• 1:07:52
  But what happens when that top isn't there and these people in the middle are running the show and they're different factions? There's the Black Sun, which is the Vatican and the Freemasons and the Nazis and the SSP, the Trump faction. And then there's the Illuminati, which is more China and Iran and Russia. And so I think that that's happening because these people are egocentric, narcissistic megalomaniacs, like I said earlier. So they're like, oh, we're the boss now.
• 1:08:23
  The head honcho ain't here. We're running the show. But they they were the useful idiots below some other people, so they don't have the big plan, and I see them in fighting each other. So I'm gonna guess that Trump was like, oh, no. China's not gonna get I'm I'm keeping America as the number one.
• 1:08:43
  You know? That's what I'm I mean, I could be wrong, but that's the way I'm reading the room.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: What you've just heard is not easy to sit with and it's not meant to be. We went into places in this conversation that I honestly did not expect even after everything I've heard, in this series. The Vatican, the rituals, Israel, some of the geopolitical things, failed Chinese New World Order. Max didn't hold back, and I think that's exactly why this conversation matters. So part two goes somewhere different.
• 1:09:22
  We're going to go into the very advanced hidden technology, the underground facilities, the MK Ultra experimentation that Max experienced firsthand, what she has to say about Hollywood, social engineering, how the family structure has been deliberately attacked and dismantled. But don't worry because we do get to a place of hope. And I want you to know that because it's really, really important, especially amidst these dark and disturbing conversations. Now Max has done decades of healing work and it comes through, and that's why we're able to end up at a good place. Now, I want to ask you to do something before the next Saturday show.
• 1:10:00
  Don't just sit with this alone, find someone that you trust, someone you've been wanting to have a real conversation about this with and share this episode with them. Not just a link that you fire off and forget, sit down together, talk about it. Because the people who benefit from this staying hidden are counting on the fact that most of us will process it quietly and just move on, or just ignore it entirely and don't give them that. Also, make sure you let me know in the comments what you think. I read every single one, the good, the bad, the ugly, the uncomfortable.
• 1:10:33
  Make sure you hit that like button, whatever platform you're watching on. And if Max's testimony reached something in you, tell her directly in the comments too. She's put a great deal on the line to sit here and say these things out loud and that deserves to be acknowledged. Now, make sure that you join me next Saturday for part two of this episode. So until then, stay grounded, guard your mind, protect the innocent around you, and don't confuse seeing the darkness with surrendering to it.