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"De Eso No Se Habla" | Sandra Mabel Guzmán · No Más Yes Girls

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hola, hola, bienvenidos a otro episodio más de Nomas Y Ask Girls, donde yo viene junto con mi hermana Viviana, hablamos de nuestra sanación.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Hola, hola, bienvenidos. ¿Alguna vez has pensado?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Y si ya se me pasó el tiempo para hacer lo que yo quería, entre el trabajo, los hijos y los pendientes, a veces nuestros sueños se van quedando para después.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: No sé si te ha pasado.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Hoy nos accompanies Sandra Mabel Guzmán, mamá de three hijos y escritora latina que publicó su primera novela después de los 40.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Su libro se llama Lo que se quedó, también disponible inglés como The One Who Stay.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sandra, bienvenida a Nomas Yes Girls.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Gracias por acompañarnos andar en nosotros para esta conversación.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Muchas gracias por invitarme.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Estoy muy feliz de estar aquí.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Gracias por acompañarnos.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: Platícanos un poquito de quién es Sandra. ¿Quién es Sandra de Niña?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sandra de Niña, wow.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sandra de Niña.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yo crecí en Pasadena, California.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Soy la única hija of cinco hermanos.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Crecí in a family muy religiosa, crecí católica, así que crecí sabiendo de la iglesia.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: My papers estaban muy envuelves in the iglesia, so fuimos a family muy religiosa, muy envuelta in the iglesia at Sacred Heart Church in Otted.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: So this is the niña I was about to learn.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Me encantaba, I don't know my cuarto llenous because I encantado learning, perder me the stories of all the library, me encantaba learn to learn.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, okay.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: And my family, thank you to them, because my kids regressed with her papa and the house.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: But one day I started in the house, I was so normal in this time.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was so in all that I lived after this.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I went to the foundation of my life.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that was when I was.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know if I can buy for that.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I did a copy, and they said and said, I don't know.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: What will say the gentleman?
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: What I don't know vergüenza put and get the gente que opine, who digs, that if you think that's my life, no looks.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: I said, but what do you say?
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: And for the pena and the vergüenza, and they said, what important?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good life.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you gotta be, publicalo.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: And they say, I'm sure, you have to publicly.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: We have all this and they get away after the people not.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: The people who don't want to learn don't learn.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, what's it?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: And what trata the library, okay?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's fiction.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: The story of a family who has 40 years, their kids just are grandma, and the matrimonio empieza to disarroll for many times.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: We have our people who are occupied, as we go to the school, that we have to do it.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And there are problems in the matrimonio, we are so that we don't put attention to all the bad things that are happening here.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: But as we have all the things that are in your life, in your matrimonio, what happened with you.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: But when you get one that has much time to say, you're what?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: This is the manner that I want to visit.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: I want to visit with a spirit who doesn't have cash, a spirit who is, or a spirit who is with much.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: And in the library, they empiece a fish, what's what she does, empiece therapy, empire to have a lot of sanity to all the things that they have, took a little bit in the abuse sexual, but a lot.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end one design all the things, conoce others, the life is much more great than what they said, empire that his kids are affecting the manner that they decided to visit their life, and that's what they do for them, they don't know for them, and they're going to have decisions that are the things that they want.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And this living in which we had our identity and nothing, and we disagree what we have failed.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: And we have to importe what the most people think.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're what the gentleman if we lived the life that I feel.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because for many times we have the life that does the most felon.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: But those are living in our living three parents.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: But we're the control with our life.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and talk about this point because it's clear, perhaps when we casamos and during much cases, pierdes your identity.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: And you say you have you not what I was, you know what I was mamma and you don't know what I was, what I said, what I was felon to me.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then the people, because if it's not in your matrimonio, you don't think you can avoid the sponsor perfect and all, and you sort of have your sponsor, and sort of pierces you the identity, but if the person are saying the same, definitively old of who eres.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: I create the consequences in which they beneficial those.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was with a parent and they say what I was happening, and I said, Aguanta, arréglate, you don't have time for my problems.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you said, But what can we do with me, what can we say?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I was preocupied in cómo the images are for else that what happened with me.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're not at the same.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: For me, metting and append to limp, to cocinar, and what in my house, I mean that my ability across the street, in front of the other house.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: But those who were here were tears.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: I sent them in the pure, not to be.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: And my father said, Metro, don't have nothing to start with.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And said, But what do you want to say at the end?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: V with your mama, enseña to limp, or to cocin, or notes to start saying to come or something.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's my crucifix.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: See, it's the division, the division of hembra y hombre.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: See, it's always no practice, especially in our culture, that the homes deben de estar acá, que las mujeres deben de estar allá, que no se tienen que involucrar, que no se tienen que cruzar, or ellos no tienen nada que ver con lo que están haciendo, viceversa.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: But Sandra, cuéntanos, te divorciaste, cierto?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Cuéntanos un poco de eso, cómo was a transition for me.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: We were with my husband because we had 15 or 16 years.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: We were much, we had our family, for us it was difficult because many people had opinions in our country.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: And for the man in our culture, the families extended opinions, and you don't say nothing.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because there were many things that happened, I had, and I did not.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very difficult because I was like functioning my matrimony, my papers are divorced.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, No, but my friends will have a family complex, and I will see all that I have to do for assegnacing that my friends have moments and papa in the house.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: And this decision was faster.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Aunque a lot of people said that they divorciate is more faster, or it's the most faster, but it's the most faster.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're at this decision not, because it's affecting my friend, it's affecting much, not.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: And llegar a ese punto fue muy difícil, but when I habit with my kids and dije esto que está pasando, ellos me dijeron it's time, ya era time to hicieras this, pusieras for you what is, because we have to the reason to do more.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And this mechanized the corner, because we tried to do the more for our kids, and you think, but I'm aguanting for a kids.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to say that for more trying to escape these things that were, they're doing.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because no nos peleamos in front of our people.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: This was something I appreciated with my others.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: My friends said the same.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: They peleved in front of us, they were the cafe, but this was what we were.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: They were in the park and parking and they pelevables and grateavan and the car like that.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I understand this afternoon they divorciated.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So when I said the same.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, we were at the cafe and we went to the park and we grieved and regressively like nothing.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I'm protecting what happened.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: But no, they don't know how the things were coming, they try to do one to the other.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: And when they did this, I wow, it was the more I could have had for them to have me and tells you.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: But this was rapidly.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was at therapy, empezated, because there was abuse sexual when I was home, I was a therapy, or I was and I had a lot of, but I didn't say that the empezation in my matrimonio, I said, I'll see and I'm gonna go.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And a bit empected to do things, empezation that I had failed, and it was faster.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: There are what the people, what I say, because I had many times in my matrimonio when my husband was and doing things, and you have those people to a fest.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not a fiesta of people of one year or two years the day that had them, and I had parents there who said you're doing if they're not tracking the kids.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: You are asking here.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: You don't stay here if you don't stay.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And what do you say to the gentleman?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to start here, and this was difficult for to be okay with it, for starting with it and say that what they say.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: When I paid when I was in my hand, I made a fregada.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there was a problem, that I can see what was for them, for the yours, and the imagination of a things, with my life.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this was something that I had to do.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: No importer of the chismes, no importer of the opinions, because those news that necesitas for your dad, no teacher with your higher, and aunque loan, the queen para ti te van a apoyar in the cierto.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Tocando tantito el tema, bueno, no tanto, tocando el tema de tu abuso sexual que acabas de tocar ahorita, ¿crees que eso fue una parte fundamental de divorcio oro?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Creo que los problemas entre nosotros tenían más que ver that vivimos two years separate.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that you stay with his kids and the house, and when the family could hear what we lived or what I was, or why I was a mother or spiritual, it was good, that there was no problem.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think one part of how I the things that I had with me as a child, was that I don't had much self-esteem.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I need to stay in the house and audit me, and a very queer, and I said that no, and I said, Well, and I had this force in me to say no, that's what we have to do, but a little bit of my matrimonio fuera quebrando, because it said, I have to say what you want, you sort of have what you should, and when I empecé a discipline, he empezó a decir, oh, wait, espérate.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um historia.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me, for much ago I sent you that no era victim, that you fui la que fui culpable.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: You hice the decision to salive in a city with a much, you know what I mean, but a prima me decía, no te preocupes, you lo conozco, viene de buena familia.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ve, ¿cómo no vas a ir?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: No eres una niña, no te comportes así, qué vergüenza.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Ve, nomás tomar a él.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's one.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: And you said, But no, but you know, you don't connect, I'm going to go.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: He said, and yeah, okay.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was saying platform, you don't have attention to done, you know, I was saying platicando, and so when I was in a life that you don't reconocted, and I said, I was here.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And starting here there was a lote that nobody had.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I gotta say, and when I was saying that no, and that was what I did, and you stay llorando.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, But you fuiste the coquete with me.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, But you will, if you don't, I will regret where I was.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is not my problem.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't, you can't, and you're your camera.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I quedish in this moment and limped the lágrimas and me arregla and said, well, it's fine.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then I live by at the time where I recognize, and then I felt and nothing, nothing, and my team, and when I regresed to my house, because I was visiting parents in Mexico, and when I regresed, because I sent a lot of sentiments, of courage, of tristeza, of course, much sentiments that are.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: My father have said that if you met with alguien, it is a whole person in the country.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: And this was the rebellion.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what happened, my mom escuchated my quarter, because I was the only man, I had my quarter and my cajones, and at the end of one of the cajones, I had all the cards, because in that time today in the school.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I explained, I vimos this, is that?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I did see, and I puse a llor, and I empected a explicit what had happened, and I did, well, I'm gonna get a therapy, but nothing left.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now they will platform this, no one can platform because we can chapter.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: No passe, no passenger.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: And as we did, no passe.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the rebeld siguient.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I entered in the life, of my life, but I associated with the things that I designed in my life.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Siempre te sientes que no lo tienes.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, es wow, tocas muchos temas que resuelven completamente conmigo, porque es cierto, las personas no se dan cuenta, los que no han pasado por eso no se dan cuenta del daño que le hace a uno, especialmente in this crecimiento del adolescente.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's when you're trying to pass for all you, okay, the rebellion, and those said my papers are divorciando.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, this today was apart from all the demands, apart from the abusion that you passed.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because mentioned, the person who had been protected were nothing.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: And has passed or not passed, but no one will talk about the thing.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a psychologically.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, just grand, you know, especially because you have an adolescente.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: And some things that design culpa because you escuched that that no is clear, a lot of you have this, and for act of rebeldía lo dijiste, and this nunca pasó, anda empieza a no decir nada, a quedarse callado.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Nunca me van a creer, entonces para qué voy a hablar.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Nunca, no, no, no voy a hacer esto, no me voy a encontrar, or no voy a hacer algo que me guste because of those many no soy suficiently buena, or a mí me pasó mucho.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Buscar también, por lo menos conmigo, buscar ese amor de padre in donde no estaba.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Y la protección de hombres que nunca me lo iban a dar porque yo estaba buscando algo que yo no tenía de niña.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, mira, ya ves, te dije porque ella estuvo con este.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: So era culpa que lo único que uno estaba haciendo era buscar eso porque ya se había trozado, o sea, ya no sabía uno el valor que uno tenía como mujer, especialmente atrás.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: But no, we can see this, they're saying much.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a feature, I was deprimied.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know what to be deprimied, my kids were good, you still have, but sort of llegaba a time and for one semana I could have been deprimied, and it was hasta que empecé a ir a terapia that I was talking about with the therapist that I was platicando.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I said, It's because in this time your spirit is tristed and it's for this, because I know.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I did, oh wow.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Antes era all the seminar and no entended por qué.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Nomás sabía que estaba bien deprimida and I couldn't have any query above, yes, y déjenme en paz y no me hablan.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the therapy ayuda bastard.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, the other line of the moneda, that one looks like it's a little bit, what they did, and one search and created you so I'm made, is that you provocate it, is that it was my culture.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: But the therapy function bastard.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know when I fell at therapy, and this means, but me dijo, the psychologist quiero que me digas cinco nombres ofers atrás.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: Fue uno.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: And no incluyó mi mamá y papá.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Era nada más my esposo in that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: You don't confuse, you don't have confiance absolutely to me.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: And to my esposa because I don't know.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: But apart from this, you don't have quien podía desahogarme, con qui platicar, con quién podía ser, o sea, ser yo misma.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: And this was me olvidé, que ahora sí ya me pongo ando, a ver, ¿cuánto llevo?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: A lo largo de mi vida era cuántos hasta lamentando, no.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Nunca me había puesto a pensar en eso cuando estás hablando me pongo a pensar quién ya tengo confianza en eso.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sí, yeah, con quién puede uno platicar, and this is something that when I dijo la psicologa, I think and wow, nunca, nunca había pensado yo in this.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Ahora, for al menos yo tratan que my confianza con me de que the person with which I platform your confiance for alguien with.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's because you don't have.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's cierto, you're with my completely different than the manner that I created.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think they had the confiance and platication.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the things that I think because my friends.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that they send a gusto and have this confiance of cute that's happening in my life, I think they wouldn't platinze.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: And much and I platic those things and I say, wow, what difference between the manner that I created and the manner that else have created, and they wouldn't have those things and say certain things and not jugados, or not regain one, that you wouldn't confian and that alguien will start for ellos.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: And wow, this is what I live.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: My young seguro.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that I'm saying, simply because Sandra, you talked about this a lot with my papers when you say to your papers what they had because you just have cup with what they say already by no escuching, but in all, and no sabemos what we caus in else in this crecement that they're at noses and confiance for a commentary that we have for us was inoffensive, but for ellos is something that we have marked.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, I think we're much curious with what we decided and how we're gonna those like pads because they are mirroring.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, because they can see, and when they're not cute that a commentary that we have, we're affecting and formando la manuel that ellos and how else to come.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And after the feature, maybe that have passed 20, 25 years ago, the difference of comparison at 20 to 25 years.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: So you when uh 14 years, the abusive that you had suffering the part of a parents at my because in that time my mother had 50 years.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: And this day and the noche my disperation of my mother to the school and regressed, was like no, no, no, no, no, I don't know if you're because the moments when I passed the abuse, that I went for the school, I left.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, No, with it no, and it was a moment of disaster.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I said to my mother and papa, this person, this, this, and this, and this, and this in this fetch and in this fetch, and in this fetch, it passed for these years.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was an approximately I created with the abuso pensando that it was normal, uh I did that nothing normal.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so I did my mama and my papa trajectory to this person to this and this and this and this.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no, crees you quiero mucho, no, crees, and you mentioned the excuse of what passed it.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: In that time, we had an investigation, she saw the policy.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Desafortunately, in that time the layers were like, and it was a confession.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: So the most investigators for telephone and trying to get a confession for telephone.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was exactly the same, not like you, but after I mentioned those things, oh, is that this, is that you did, is that you are confused, and it was absolutely nothing.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: And there was the cause of that for your culture, not the other.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: And there were excuses of a kinetic, because I was 15 years, but I was saying to champage, is that she can have a little, because no one had a novel, is that my mother makes things in the cabin, it's that there were tiny things that I completely did absolutely not, my family who said, Oh no, it's this, the other.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I saw the rebels, I don't know the amount that I had in the house, in the country.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, unfortunately, because I was with her.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I was mamma soldier for a while.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's because I wanted to die in the country, I wanted to die with them, and I was like, nobody, nobody, no one.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: And for many times I affected me.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: It affected my life for many times.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the principle of my matrimonio, because I was with my father, and I'm gonna say, there are things that nobody said, nobody, nobody, but of all I had the culture, and nothing that I affected.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think my poor passed for that, and I audited, and gracious, because I put it in my camera.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And he is who, and now is the who made my version and decided to stay with me and apoy.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: Antes of decided to have more victims.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, when my papa said, I think desafortunately no one is the only, but I have passed 20 years.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: I had passed 20 years, but when he said and me, I deserve me because it passed after that in the water.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: You understand that my papa was better than the spa and the parade.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I said, No, I did when I was grand because I continue my life, I have my friends, I have this, I don't know, but I did.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I saw and I was completely and I started, and those and I said what I was around and out, but it was a sentiment of liberation that I forgot that I was carrying.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: And this year, my papa desarmed and I supper what my life.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the day that was this, which is in these years, I decided to watch my story.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: You need to contact my story, we will see in an episode by the podcast.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: But I with this okay, I was private, I'm public.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then I said, I'm going to grab this episode, and I think my papa quedado and me said, Is necessary?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: I did necessary.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: And as I said with this attitude of arrogance, I did, it's necessary because I need to say for me and much person, I need to say the voice for much person.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: He queded called and me dijo, y eso necesitas hacer.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: Dale.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: And me volvió a desarmar.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Ya no supe qué hacer.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: And me dijo, mija, necesitas contarlo, yo te apoyo.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: Dale.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Y yo nomás me agarré a llorar y a llorar y a llorar y me decía, gracias, papá, gracias porque no.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Porque no tiene idea de lo que se ha hecho por mí.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: No tiene idea, digo, está apoyando a esa niña que lo necesita.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: Le dije, y ahora en esta decisión me está apoyando al 100%.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Quizás a él le duele en el corazón.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: No lo sé, pero decidió apoyarme.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: Y ahorita es completamente distinta la relación.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: Conoce de los episodios que han salido hablando de mi historia.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: La puedo contar libremente ahora sin tener miedo.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: Y puedo ser yo.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Puedo ser yo y eso todo lo he dicho, es gracias a Dios que me ha dado la oportunidad de poder abrazar a mi papá, que esa niña pueda abrazar a su papá, y su papá la va a abrazar con tanto amor anda nube oscura entre nosotros.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: And this amount and this perdon and contar's history.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: There are an exercise that seems in therapy.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: No sé si hablar con esa niña.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's ridiculous, but no entiendes necessitas.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: And perdon, perdóname for all the queen.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Perdóname for notar cómo hablar and all the things that have pasted, but we're vivid.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: My name is lastimada.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: Le dije, jugando, brinkando, le dije, you mire in me.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: Le dije, yo me siento libre, yo me siento ahora una mujer that puedo hacer ander, and ya nada me va a detener.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: Le dije, cuando I said.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, so I think I send you this liberation in me.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, absolutely.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think that nothing.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I wish to liberate all those and those people who have passed for this, and you know, and they are much desafortunately that we have the same, but then we asked them because nobody can always escuch.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: Desafortunadamente this is what happens much, and for this abuse, because no hablar and cómo discipline, as you can abusador sigue haciendo lo que está haciendo, because no tienen con quién hablar.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: Exactamente.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Exactamente.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, pues gracias a ustedes por compartir algo algo que sí necesariamente es necesario hablar.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Especialmente en nuestra comunidad latina, especialmente en nuestra cultura mexicana, latinoamericana.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Es afortunadamente es más común de lo que es.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Y no están solos, no están solos.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Si tú no tienes con quién hablar sobre esto, mándanos mensaje, mándanos un correo electrónico, escuchamos sin juzgar, sin darte ningún lío, al contrario, aquí estamos para escucharte, para escucharte y para tener ese apoyo y ese amor y ese espacio que tú ocupes.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: Exactamente.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: Andrés, Sandra, cuéntanos aquito, ya que hablamos de todo esto, de tu secondo libro que ahora estás scribendo literalmente.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sí, ahorita I think, gracias a ustedes, I think, because I'm gonna talk about the things that are in our culture, the things that the things that not.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's much in our culture, in why we call it and hablamos for the vergüenza or because we think that we're gonna call, and we affect seriously, uh different mothers because we're gonna protect our passenger loose.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know that's a libro excellent.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: You say that there's the apocalypse of noses because no más yes girls.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: So Disina, definitively tiens.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, es también otra forma para que los que nos están escuchando y han pasado por algo así, or quizás conocen a alguien que ha pasado por algo así in those when uh publiques tu libro, que sepan que a lo mejor no tanto escucharlo, but a lo mejor a libro que otra historia, a la mejor ellos identificarse, desafortunadamente, pero que sepan que es que no nomás están los episodios, but I think I'm gonna sien that, no soy elicorda others to Sandra, don't you want to lift and camera?
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: Cuéntanos.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: My libro in Amazon, and Audible también, you leave as if you can escuchate my voice.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: But then you can get in my redesign, in uh Instagram is uh roba underscore sandra underscore maple and TikTok Sandra Guzman 20.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow, donde está bien, donde exactamente mi oficina está en Menrugues, California, pero sí tengo mi licencia para California, Nevada, Arizona y Tennessee.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, ok, yeah.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sí, de todos modos poner esto bajo en la caja de descripción, así para que la sigan, la apoyen, o si tienen preguntas, se pueden contactar con ella.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: Gracias, gracias una vez más por estar con nosotras, Sandra.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Fue un gusto estar con ustedes y muchas gracias por compartir tu historia, que también estoy con las demás, no me siento sola.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, gracias a ti también por compartir tu historia con nosotros también y tenernos la confianza de hacerlo.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: Y no nomás tu historia, o sea, tu vida, tus libros, tus proyectos, tu carrera.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Muchísimas gracias y seguimos, seguimos aquí adelante.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: Muchas gracias, ha sido un placer.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Y si este episodio resonó con ustedes or alguien, por favor, mándaselo a la persona que ocupa escuchar esto.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Otra vez estamos aquí.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: Si gustan mandar un correo electrónico, un mensaje directo, todo está abajo en la caja de descripción para contactarnos, and yo sé, yo sé que sí trabajan porque ya nos han mandado mensajes, ya nos han mandado correo.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Andas a tener dos amigas, dos amistades que siempre están dándote el espacio, el amor y el apoyo que tú o alguien ocupe o necesita.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Por favor, síguenos, suscríbete.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then siguen a Sandra, suscríbanse a sus proyectos, y nos miram hasta el próximo episodio.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_03: Adiós.