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Capítulo 016: Multidimensional Heaux · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commies, a Myth and Bullshit, a radiophonic
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Speaker 1: This is the FM and this is Mala Munos. Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to yet another carpitulo of Brown Girl Our Yes,
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Speaker 1: radiophonic novella, another installment. So before we get to our content,
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Speaker 1: we want to do some updates. Yes, um, some housekeep
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Speaker 1: some housekeeping. Yes, So we want to shout out the
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Speaker 1: women from Word Agency. We open real doors. Zoila and
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Speaker 1: Angela of Word Agency. They're amazing. Move head is making
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Speaker 1: moves in l a from New York. Yes, both Dominicans.
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Speaker 1: They're amazing. They're amazing, and they invited us to a
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Speaker 1: premier this past week of screening screening, so let's let's
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Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah. So um Zoila and Angela of
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Speaker 1: Word Agency. UM. They are involved in entertainment and events. UM.
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Speaker 1: They represent different talent. UM. The first time that we
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Speaker 1: ever went to anyone of their events, they actually hosted
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Speaker 1: a show for Tony Perralta here at the Mexican Consulate
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, so that was them and they brought
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Speaker 1: him in his art out here. And um, this week,
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Speaker 1: Biosa and I we were really fortunate enough to be
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Speaker 1: invited by Zoila and Angela to go to the screening
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Speaker 1: at the Landmark Theater and why l A UM for
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Speaker 1: a new John Singleton series called Snowfall, premiering on f
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Speaker 1: X yes on July fit so this Wednesday. Yeah, UM,
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Speaker 1: and it was really good. It was, of course just
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Speaker 1: the pilot and they had the whole cast there, so
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Speaker 1: that was really cool. They did a Q and they
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Speaker 1: did a Q and a UM, and it's it's such
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Speaker 1: a good show. I mean, the pilot was so good
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Speaker 1: because it really captures l A in the eighties. UM,
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Speaker 1: and it looks like it's super authentic at least to me,
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Speaker 1: Like it's how I picture l A to look like
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Speaker 1: back then, it's how it looks like now. So I
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Speaker 1: really I thought it was. It was really authentic, and
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Speaker 1: John Singleton has a way of doing that with Los Angeles. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he knows how to make movies about l A because
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Speaker 1: he's from l A. So he understands l exactly. Um,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the entertainment industry are not
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Speaker 1: from Hollywood or not from California. Discussing that afterwards, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, people come to Hollywood, people come to l
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Speaker 1: A from all over the world to be in the
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Speaker 1: entertainment industry. So me, you know the Alsa and I
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Speaker 1: haven't grown up in Los Angeles. Being natives of Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: It's odd and it's difficult to find people who are
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Speaker 1: from here sometimes, you know. So it's cool when you
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Speaker 1: do have a director who's born and bred in l A. UM.
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Speaker 1: He came out of USC Film School, and he creates
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Speaker 1: narratives that really are cemented in the black experience in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's hard to find and it's also the
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Speaker 1: work is amazing. So check out Snowfall on ffx UM.
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Speaker 1: And also about that premiere, I was I was geeked.
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Speaker 1: I was out of my I was excited. It was
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Speaker 1: so funny. We spotted some some people there. Well, I
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Speaker 1: um Love, Love and Hip Hop. Like I watch New York, Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: now Hollywood. I watch every season every city and I
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Speaker 1: think almost the whole cast of Love and Hip Hop
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Speaker 1: l A. Love and Hip Hop Hollywood was there. We
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Speaker 1: saw the second we walked in. The person I saw
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Speaker 1: was a Marion. Oh my god, Yes, she was spotting everyone. Immediately.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, it's a Marion. And
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Speaker 1: Safari was there. Nicki Minash's ex boyfriends of like twelve
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Speaker 1: years or whatever. He was there. We were shocked he
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Speaker 1: was there because he had just basically gotten jumped like
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Speaker 1: on Twitter and he was getting dragged on Twitter. But
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Speaker 1: he was there. He showed up. UM saw Massika, who's
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Speaker 1: another singer and she's also on Love and Hip Hop,
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Speaker 1: so it was just fun. We also saw the actor
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Speaker 1: I don't know his name, but the actor who played
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Speaker 1: Lisa Landry's boyfriend Terrence on Sister Sister. He worked at
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Speaker 1: a grocery store in the child. He was the same,
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Speaker 1: so cute. Yeah, So it was fun. So thank you again,
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Speaker 1: Word Agency. We had a great time. I had a
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Speaker 1: really great time. I love those women. They're also having
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Speaker 1: events coming up in l A and we will be there.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to post them about the events of
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Speaker 1: the events. They're like dance and networking events. Yes, they're amazing.
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Speaker 1: So if you're in l A, you have to get
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Speaker 1: to know you have to go to these events, get
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Speaker 1: to know these more heads. They're hang out with their
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Speaker 1: super down. Yeah okay, okay, So today's catto. What are
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Speaker 1: we talking about? Tell the people, Tell our listeners we
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Speaker 1: aren't talking about multidimensional hose. Yes, multidimensional is near and
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Speaker 1: dear to our very near and dear to our hearts.
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Speaker 1: We love this topic, love this topic. We wanted to
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Speaker 1: do a check in because at the beginning of the year,
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Speaker 1: this is actually how we decided to record to talk
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Speaker 1: about this topic today. Um, at the beginning of the year, everyone,
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Speaker 1: all of our friends, mommy collective, we were all about
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Speaker 1: dump him two K seventeen, dumped them to K seventeen,
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Speaker 1: dump your partner, dump your partner two K seventeen. Sorry
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Speaker 1: not sorry, yeah, okay, and a lot of us did
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Speaker 1: you know? So we did. And it's summer now, and
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Speaker 1: just exactly and there there is this idea that in
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Speaker 1: the summer, like you are not in a relationship, You're
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Speaker 1: not you're free you're out and about, So that's how
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Speaker 1: you want. I've seen, right, I've seen so many of
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Speaker 1: these names that are like it's summer now, you know,
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Speaker 1: check back in in the fall and we can talk
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Speaker 1: about maybe being together. Right, So let's I wanted to
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Speaker 1: do a check in with all of y'all and see, like,
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Speaker 1: are you in a relationship now? It's summertime? You know,
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Speaker 1: so just think about it. How did your New year's
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Speaker 1: resolution to dump him, dump her, dump them? How did
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Speaker 1: it turn out? You know? Are you on track? Are you,
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Speaker 1: you know, single and ready to mingle or just single
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Speaker 1: and ready to be left alone, you know, whatever the
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Speaker 1: case may be. Um, I think that in our little
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Speaker 1: friend group, we all have gone through ups and downs
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Speaker 1: with our resolution because all of us, I think, every
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Speaker 1: single one of us of the Mommy collective, we're like
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Speaker 1: dump him two thousand seventeen, like dump them two thousand seventeen,
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Speaker 1: Like we're gonna start fresh, We're gonna be single, you know,
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Speaker 1: And we've gone through different iterations of that. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: That's how it is. That's how it is. That's how
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Speaker 1: it is. Relationships are are messy and sticky. It's like
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Speaker 1: you do the breakup, but then it's like the you
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Speaker 1: still maybe still you get the booty call test. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the late night, the late night, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: That happened to me. That happened to me a few
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Speaker 1: months ago. I like was still seeing an X and
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden and it was just like you know,
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Speaker 1: booty call text. And then all of a sudden, we
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Speaker 1: were at dinner together and I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: we're on a date. A slippery no no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no no. And I was like, crap, okay, well now
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Speaker 1: we're dating again, and then you have to you have
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Speaker 1: to break up again. It's a whole process. It's a
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Speaker 1: slippery fucking slope. It's a trap. It's dangerous, it's a trap.
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Speaker 1: It's a trap, like when you proceed with caution, always, always,
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Speaker 1: especially in dealing with an X, because if that person
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Speaker 1: is an ex we need to think about why exactly,
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Speaker 1: you know, especially if we wanted to put the person
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Speaker 1: in the ex position. Cannot be that good. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe that it's that good. There's better sex out there, right,
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Speaker 1: you will find it, and we have. And that's part
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Speaker 1: of it is like releasing yourself from something that's not
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Speaker 1: working anymore, because you just have to know and believe
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Speaker 1: and trust that there is something else out there and
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Speaker 1: something better, and it'll find you. It'll find you, Yes, right,
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Speaker 1: it'll find you. You just have to live your life
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Speaker 1: the way you want to live it, the way that
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Speaker 1: it makes you you most comfortable, and then it'll happen,
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Speaker 1: will some way, somehow. Um So, as far as like
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Speaker 1: talking about multidimensional hoism, like I think that it talked
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Speaker 1: taking that term home or hoism, or we can get
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Speaker 1: really stuck into only talking about relationships, right, I'm in
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Speaker 1: a relationship or I'm not in a relationship, right, and
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Speaker 1: then what hoism means depending on either context. But I
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot more to being a multidimensional home
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Speaker 1: than just relationships exactly. So I wanted to read this
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Speaker 1: um photo that I saw Cheesemiths share, of course, that
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Speaker 1: actually is created by um somebody on Instagram. Their I
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Speaker 1: G handle is supreme bit Um. We'll we'll link it
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Speaker 1: somewhere and their name is thought Scholar, which I love.
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Speaker 1: So they created a graphic and we're also going to
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Speaker 1: share this on local on our Instagram and our social media.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna read the definition. I love it
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Speaker 1: so much, and this is I think this is this
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Speaker 1: captures my pro hoism, right, So pro hoism one pro
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Speaker 1: ho derived from the more colloquial pro host. So this
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Speaker 1: is spelled differently. It's h e a u x um
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Speaker 1: spelling altered to reflect difference and refinement. Black or brown
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Speaker 1: womenist women and fem cists or trends who are pro
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Speaker 1: sex and or are sex workers and support sex worker rights,
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Speaker 1: committed to collective and personal empowerment, not just sexually but
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Speaker 1: through economic society. Sends judgment of the means radically thought
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Speaker 1: e and proud of it. And there's more to it,
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Speaker 1: but I think that is just essence, like in essence,
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Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, you know, I actually I also want
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Speaker 1: to read the second one. Also a woman or fem
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Speaker 1: who understands the racialized nature of sexuality, one who rejects
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Speaker 1: misogyna and trans misogyna this is important, does not accept
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Speaker 1: nor engage in silently or otherwise. Transphobia, homophobia, or anti
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Speaker 1: blackness is accepting of non traditional gender expressions and not
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Speaker 1: only loves her their non binary and LGBTQ sister in
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Speaker 1: but elevates their voices and concerns. Boom, that's that's it.
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Speaker 1: Pro is um. That's pro is um in essence and
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Speaker 1: in practice like that is a politic if I have
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Speaker 1: ever heard of one. That's a policy. Is a politics
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Speaker 1: politics exactly, and I love it exactly. It's not just
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Speaker 1: having multiple partners, which well could be, and props to
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Speaker 1: you if that's what it is, but it could also
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Speaker 1: it's also a politics, highly political. If you're if you're
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Speaker 1: pro ho, if you're a feminist, you should be pro ho.
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Speaker 1: I agree, let's start there. Yeah, And I think that
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Speaker 1: is what is about right. We're about um talking about
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Speaker 1: things that are racialized and sexualized, right and used against us.
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Speaker 1: We want to be pro ho. We want to be
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Speaker 1: budda positive, which means that we are not supporting um,
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Speaker 1: you know, politicians and policies that are going to criminalize
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Speaker 1: and harm sex workers, trans women, right. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to support movements that are exclusionary of sex workers, right,
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Speaker 1: or who are sledge shaming. We're just not going to
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Speaker 1: support those movements because we can't. It's against our politics, right,
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Speaker 1: or that are rooted in respectability, right, like how are
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Speaker 1: you going to dress? How what are you wearing today?
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Speaker 1: Or you know you can't show up in a meeting
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Speaker 1: in a tight dress or whatever, you know, whatever folks
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Speaker 1: want to say, like rooted in respectability and professionalism, We're
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Speaker 1: not here for that now, We're not here for that.
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Speaker 1: And I would also say, if you're pro ho, you're
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Speaker 1: Buddha positive, then that also means that you're not about
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Speaker 1: the victim aiming stuff, your survivor centered, because you recognize
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Speaker 1: that a person can have many sex partners, can have
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Speaker 1: sex with one person and still have the right to
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Speaker 1: say no and still have the right to consent and
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Speaker 1: still be a full person who has boundaries who should
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Speaker 1: be respected. So I think that whole is m like
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Speaker 1: joined the club, you know, get with the winning team,
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Speaker 1: because if not, you know, what is your practice really
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Speaker 1: all about? Who is your work really about? Who is
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Speaker 1: your work really about? Really really? And also it's fun
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Speaker 1: to be pro ho. It is it can be very
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Speaker 1: fun to be pro ho. From getting dressed and not
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Speaker 1: giving a funk, taking the selfie, taking the selfies. And
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Speaker 1: we were talking about this that the I G batty,
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Speaker 1: like the Instagram batty. The selfie culture is very reminiscent
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways of pin up culture. I agree, right,
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Speaker 1: But you know, now we're turning the cameras on ourselves
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Speaker 1: as opposed to like Vargus who was painting pin ups
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Speaker 1: and like he it was his eye right of the
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Speaker 1: pin ups and of the women. But we have we're
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Speaker 1: using our own gays right to celebrate ourselves. Yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, okay, So we're gonna go into a songbreak. Actually, um,
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Speaker 1: we need to take care of some business happening in
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Speaker 1: the background, So we are going to go into a
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Speaker 1: quick songbreak or castera and and and fends and and
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Speaker 1: and and and and and fends and and and sends
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Speaker 1: and and and sends and and spend and spends and
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Speaker 1: and um um. And we're here. So we have a
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Speaker 1: lot more to talk about because there's so much to
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Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to who is um it's beautiful,
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Speaker 1: such a rich topic. I know we could go on
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Speaker 1: for days. Um. So we want to talk about economic
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Speaker 1: equity equality, right, what is this redistribution of wealth? Absolutely?
14:34
Speaker 1: And I think the song the song she's saying like
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Speaker 1: I want more money, want more money, I want more money,
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Speaker 1: Give me your money. D O double L A R S.
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Speaker 1: Y'all motherfucker's gonna pay like you have to, you will pay. Right.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget everybody that men control men and very
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Speaker 1: specifically white men, white people in general, but men globally
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Speaker 1: control the wealth, control the resource is, and starve everybody. Right.
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Speaker 1: Women in the United States, uh still make what seventy
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Speaker 1: cents to the dollar. But then if you break that
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Speaker 1: down by race, right, women of color make far less,
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Speaker 1: with black women, Native women in latinas being on the
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Speaker 1: bottom end of the spectrum. So when we're talking about
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Speaker 1: sex work or being a hoe, um, getting yours from
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Speaker 1: from men or from whoever has money, whether it's men
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Speaker 1: or not, whether it's other women, a sugar person, right, Um,
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Speaker 1: that's economic redistribution, that's redistribution of wealth. And I'm all
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Speaker 1: for it. I agree. I am also all for it.
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Speaker 1: Give your money to women? Right. That was a really
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Speaker 1: important hashtag and social media campaign on Twitter, and I
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Speaker 1: think Lauren chief Elk was was one of the people
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Speaker 1: behind it. Um and Lauren chief Elk talked a lot
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Speaker 1: about um, you know, basically survivor issues, rape, rape culture,
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Speaker 1: rape culture embedded in policy, and she talks about, right,
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Speaker 1: give your money to women. This is about economic equity. Um,
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Speaker 1: if you're a feminist and you're a man, you should
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Speaker 1: be giving your money to women. I agree with you,
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Speaker 1: point blank, point blank, and that's my wholeism. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: was at dinner not too long ago with my primos
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Speaker 1: and it was like a two bill, right, and they
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Speaker 1: picked up the tab and I was like, good, I
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Speaker 1: should pick up the tab and my primo wants to
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Speaker 1: flip it on me and says, um, you as an
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Speaker 1: independent woman, And I said, no, the least that you
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Speaker 1: men can do is pay for a meal. That is
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Speaker 1: the least that y'all can do. So don't try and
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Speaker 1: to turn that around on me, saying well, I thought
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Speaker 1: you're an independent woman. Yes I am. You can also
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Speaker 1: pay for my meal because you can exactly, and you
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Speaker 1: should write listen, I'm independent. That means my money is
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Speaker 1: independent of you. Right, My money is independent and it
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Speaker 1: comes with me. You know. Um, no, absolutely. When you
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Speaker 1: live in a in a society, a capitalist society where like,
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Speaker 1: we have no other assets, resources, we don't have property,
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Speaker 1: you know, we don't have access to the same type
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Speaker 1: of capital that men, you know, very easily have access to.
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Speaker 1: What else do we have to what else do we
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Speaker 1: have but our bodies on ourselves. It's like the idea
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Speaker 1: like pretty as currency, pretty as currency, which Janet Mock
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Speaker 1: transgender woman activists, thinker writers, scholar um. She wrote an
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Speaker 1: article recently about pretty privilege. Yeah, and how we don't
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Speaker 1: talk about what the access in space that we can
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Speaker 1: take up if you're if we're pretty, right, if you're pretty,
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Speaker 1: but we don't talk about it because it's like kind
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Speaker 1: of weird to take about if you're considered to be right.
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Speaker 1: But there is a privilege in it, right, absolutely, So
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Speaker 1: she has a really great article about that and yeah,
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Speaker 1: pretty as paul plitic desire, like is a politic as well.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Pretty pretty is such a complicated topic,
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Speaker 1: just like hoism is a complicated talk topic to talk about.
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Speaker 1: And there's so much overlap and intertwined infam experience, right
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Speaker 1: because we can talk about, oh, absolutely pretty privileged and
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Speaker 1: we have it. I have pretty privilege. I'm a pretty
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Speaker 1: bitch and I know I'm a pretty bitch. I'm attractive
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Speaker 1: and it's not that's not something that was high. We're
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Speaker 1: getting waived at from like people here at Espasio UM
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Speaker 1: and I know this, and one of the reasons why
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Speaker 1: we know right when when you're considered attractive or pretty
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Speaker 1: is because you're reminded constantly without invitation or without asking
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Speaker 1: for it. The random stranger asked, man that comes up
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Speaker 1: to me on the street out of nowhere to tell
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Speaker 1: me that I'm pretty? Right, And that's what she She
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Speaker 1: really breaks that down in the article because she talks
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Speaker 1: about how we talk about our prettiness or attractiveness whenever
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Speaker 1: it's on display, right, whenever it's, like you said, being
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Speaker 1: talked about without invitation, But we don't talk about the
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Speaker 1: access that is granted to us by being pretty, for sure. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I think once again this shows like how trans
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Speaker 1: women of color really lay the groundwork for a lot
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Speaker 1: of our dialogues and our understandings of our experiences, of
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Speaker 1: our politics and of our politics. Yeah. And that's the
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Speaker 1: other thing, Like, Okay, so if we already know that economically,
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Speaker 1: women firms, women of color, firms of color, sex workers
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Speaker 1: of color are at an economic disadvantage even with degrees
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Speaker 1: and entering formal professions, still making less money. If I
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Speaker 1: have one thing that gives me access to economic opportunity,
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Speaker 1: and that's my pretty, then yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: leverage it. I agree, I'm going to capitalize off of it.
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Speaker 1: You know, you put your degree on your resume, you
19:54
Speaker 1: put your skills on a resume. Um, this is something
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Speaker 1: that I carry with me no matter. What I can't
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Speaker 1: is to leave it at home. Right, So if it
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Speaker 1: gives me some type of benefit as somebody who is
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Speaker 1: of a marginalized experience, then yes, yes, And I think
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Speaker 1: that all fems, all women leverage leverage. You're pretty, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: why not? And I think that that also can play
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Speaker 1: into like being multidimensional. Right, So I can wear my
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Speaker 1: my whole outfit doesn't necessarily need to be like very
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Speaker 1: very revealing. It can be, and it is, but it
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Speaker 1: can also be, you know, something considered conservative. I'm still
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Speaker 1: going to be a home in this conservative dress, you
20:34
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I'm multidimensional. It's not just
20:38
Speaker 1: this black and white. There's so many nuances. And the
20:41
Speaker 1: other thing also about like the pretty and the pretty
20:45
Speaker 1: privilege is that people who It's not that's not necessarily
20:49
Speaker 1: about attraction, right, It's more like are you fitting standards?
20:54
Speaker 1: Social standards that say that because you look like this,
20:57
Speaker 1: now you're worthy of certain acts. Us are being treated
21:00
Speaker 1: with kindness because it's not like people who are not
21:03
Speaker 1: considered to be pretty are not It's not like people
21:06
Speaker 1: are not attracted to those people, right, It's not about
21:09
Speaker 1: attraction because attraction comes in a lot of different forms
21:13
Speaker 1: and variations, you know, So someone can be pretty but
21:17
Speaker 1: still not be attractive to another person. Absolutely, But it's
21:21
Speaker 1: like important for us to acknowledge that, like as women
21:25
Speaker 1: as fems, no matter what, no matter what we look like,
21:29
Speaker 1: our looks in and of themselves, whether praised or not,
21:34
Speaker 1: have some type of material consequence or like a consequence
21:38
Speaker 1: as far as how we're treated. Right. Our safety, Yeah,
21:46
Speaker 1: so so because we're talking about safety, right and and
21:49
Speaker 1: our prettiest currency. Right, I want to know about um,
21:55
Speaker 1: your your home kit. I want to know what's in
21:58
Speaker 1: your home kit. I first learned about the be a
22:00
Speaker 1: tumbler because there was one summer once I graduated college,
22:03
Speaker 1: I was all sad because I didn't have a job,
22:06
Speaker 1: and I spent a lot of time on tumbler and
22:08
Speaker 1: um this is and so many sex workers share their
22:11
Speaker 1: like hoe tips um on tumbler, which I love. You
22:15
Speaker 1: can look at the hashtag hoe tips. And that's when
22:18
Speaker 1: I first learned about a ho kit, which I also love.
22:20
Speaker 1: I formerly would carry mine in my car. I love it.
22:24
Speaker 1: That's right. We're busy access exactly, So I want to
22:28
Speaker 1: know what do you keep in your ho kit? So
22:30
Speaker 1: I haven't had a ho kit in a little while
22:31
Speaker 1: because I've been in a relationship. Not anymore, but I've
22:34
Speaker 1: been in I've been in a relationship, but generally speaking,
22:38
Speaker 1: in a ho kit, Um, I'm thinking about am I
22:41
Speaker 1: going to work the next morning? Do I need to
22:43
Speaker 1: be somewhere the next morning? So ho k? It could
22:46
Speaker 1: be anything from quick like travel, toothbrush, toothpaste, a little
22:52
Speaker 1: thing of foume right maybe. Um. I used to really
22:57
Speaker 1: like carrying making sure that I had like rubber bands
23:01
Speaker 1: right for my hair, because your hair from evening to morning, right,
23:06
Speaker 1: you might just need to throw it up, you know,
23:08
Speaker 1: or whatever the case is. Um, baby wipes, a change
23:13
Speaker 1: of shoes, some flats, some pants, some jeans. You know.
23:18
Speaker 1: I have makeup wipes and absolutely makeup wipes. I usually
23:21
Speaker 1: have a like a very full face on, so I'm
23:24
Speaker 1: gonna need to clean up right. Also bobby pins because
23:28
Speaker 1: I have short hair, so lots of bobby pins in
23:30
Speaker 1: my hair. Um, and I keep coking it oil in
23:33
Speaker 1: my in my hok it um my hok it is
23:36
Speaker 1: currently retired and actually in my new booze um he
23:41
Speaker 1: in his in their in their room. I love it.
23:45
Speaker 1: So you know, we can put it, we can put
23:47
Speaker 1: it to to rest for a little a little while,
23:49
Speaker 1: but I still I still have access to it. Makeup
23:52
Speaker 1: wipes and my toothbrush are there, of course, because you're
23:55
Speaker 1: The thing is you're engaging essentially in the same hotivity exactly,
23:59
Speaker 1: just in a different context. Absolutely, you can't. It's so different.
24:04
Speaker 1: You're the same context, same home, same home, different days,
24:07
Speaker 1: you know, That's all. And it's a beautiful thing. No,
24:11
Speaker 1: like the hole kid is really important because that's the thing.
24:14
Speaker 1: If you're caught without your home kit and without the essentials,
24:16
Speaker 1: it's going to be difficult. What happened, It happens, it's
24:20
Speaker 1: difficult for you to get back into your day, get
24:22
Speaker 1: your day started, you know. Um. So we want to
24:26
Speaker 1: know what's in your home kid. Listeners are our locals
24:30
Speaker 1: and our locals and look, X is what's in your home? Kid?
24:33
Speaker 1: What's in your home? Kid? Tell us tell us, let
24:35
Speaker 1: teach us something new, share the well. I also keep
24:39
Speaker 1: because I also keep contact solution because I wear contacts
24:42
Speaker 1: and that's been an issue for me. I'm trying to
24:45
Speaker 1: drive home and I can't see because my contexts hella dry. Okay, right,
24:50
Speaker 1: it's important. That's a really good tip. If you have
24:52
Speaker 1: vision problems and your home your context, make sure you
24:55
Speaker 1: have a case with Yes, have a case with you,
24:58
Speaker 1: so if you need to take them out, you can,
25:01
Speaker 1: you know. Always, I think that that's always what's kept
25:04
Speaker 1: me from spending the night at someone's house is my
25:06
Speaker 1: contact because I know that it'll mess me up. Right,
25:10
Speaker 1: So that takes a lot of like thinking ahead because
25:13
Speaker 1: it's happened to me where I haven't taken them out
25:15
Speaker 1: and then I pluck. It's bad in the morning, Like
25:17
Speaker 1: I can't see, my eyes are dry. It's bad. So
25:20
Speaker 1: have that with you, keep it somewhere you can reach,
25:24
Speaker 1: and you know these listen, let's be honest. Activities can
25:28
Speaker 1: leave can leave you really hungry. Um, it's no guarantee
25:32
Speaker 1: that you're going to get fed, which we all should
25:35
Speaker 1: get fed. The least that they can do order it
25:38
Speaker 1: seamless whatever, I don't mind. But anyways, maybe some granola bars.
25:43
Speaker 1: Keep a snack in your car because you might be
25:46
Speaker 1: hungry and you need to feed yourself after all the
25:49
Speaker 1: work you've just done. You know, I love it. So
25:54
Speaker 1: there's that. And home kids, we want to know more
25:58
Speaker 1: about your home kids her hoe tips tips, Yes. And hospirations.
26:04
Speaker 1: We have a lot of hospirations, a lot of people
26:07
Speaker 1: who have come before us, who have paved the way,
26:10
Speaker 1: who have you know, put forth the legacy and we're
26:13
Speaker 1: just walking in their light. Um let's talk about our hospirations. Yeah, definitely. Um,
26:19
Speaker 1: we so wow, we have so many, so many. I mean,
26:23
Speaker 1: I think someone that we can all identify and like
26:26
Speaker 1: she is so amazing and coordinates the slut walk in
26:29
Speaker 1: l A is Amber Rose. Love me some amber Rose.
26:33
Speaker 1: You know she love amber She Yeah, she will post
26:38
Speaker 1: a thirst trap on Instagram all the time, you know,
26:40
Speaker 1: and she and it's a thousand tweets and she is
26:45
Speaker 1: also she's a really good example of a multidimensional home
26:49
Speaker 1: very much. She's a mother, right And and somebody posted
26:52
Speaker 1: the other day, oh I saw this thing on Twitter
26:54
Speaker 1: of the baby Sebastian. Yes, someone posted this thing on
26:57
Speaker 1: Twitter about like how women women know what they're doing,
27:01
Speaker 1: Like we will dress to the occasion. You're not going
27:03
Speaker 1: to wear like a see through blouse to meet your
27:06
Speaker 1: partner's parents, right or whatever necessarily necessarily right. But maybe
27:11
Speaker 1: you will when you're going to take yourselfie and post
27:13
Speaker 1: it on your Instagram. Right. But when she's out in
27:16
Speaker 1: about with her with her son, like she's wearing what
27:18
Speaker 1: you would deem as like mom clothes or like appropriate
27:21
Speaker 1: quote end close, Right, So I don't know multi dimensional.
27:26
Speaker 1: She she is very multidimensional. She's a businesswoman, an entrepreneur.
27:29
Speaker 1: She is. She organizes now the slut Walk and organizes
27:33
Speaker 1: the conference that will be I believe in l A
27:36
Speaker 1: in August or September. So well, let's talk about that
27:39
Speaker 1: because Ambrose is behind like a big conference and what's
27:43
Speaker 1: the name of the conference? Do we know that we're
27:46
Speaker 1: trying to be there? We really want to, we want to,
27:49
Speaker 1: and so this conference is I believe it's called Opened
27:54
Speaker 1: Women's Conference, and they have five pillars which I love,
27:58
Speaker 1: and it's women in power meant diversity and inclusion, Digital
28:02
Speaker 1: activism which I love, Financial literacy, literacy, and entrepreneurship, which
28:07
Speaker 1: is what we're all about. Which is what we're all about.
28:10
Speaker 1: That is what we are, That is what we are about.
28:12
Speaker 1: So that's amazing. Yeah, and then we're going to try
28:15
Speaker 1: and be there. We really want to be there. So
28:18
Speaker 1: the little like blur for the conferences where unedited conversation
28:22
Speaker 1: meets education, compassion, and sheer desire to enact change. Get
28:26
Speaker 1: ready to strip yourself of judgments, open your minds to
28:29
Speaker 1: embrace candid conversations that will redefine raw transparency. Boom, and
28:34
Speaker 1: I love strip in that she was a dancer. She
28:38
Speaker 1: was a dancer her in Black China. Yeah, the whole BFFs.
28:43
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, and I you know, um, Amber
28:48
Speaker 1: Rose is really awesome to me, Like I really appreciate
28:52
Speaker 1: her because she is somebody who I find to be
28:56
Speaker 1: very bold. I find her to be very honest. Um,
29:00
Speaker 1: I find her to be she just sticks to who
29:04
Speaker 1: she is. You know when when our world, in our
29:08
Speaker 1: society in Hollywood is very quick to criticize and tear
29:13
Speaker 1: down especially women, especially women of color, who are in
29:16
Speaker 1: the public eye, and there's so much slut shaming in
29:20
Speaker 1: our society. Were considered a Christian society in a lot
29:24
Speaker 1: of ways that like puritan Like the thing is there
29:29
Speaker 1: that puritan you know, like framework is there even though
29:33
Speaker 1: none of us like asked to be a part of
29:35
Speaker 1: it or signed up for it. It's there and we
29:37
Speaker 1: exist in it. And Amber Roses from New England, right,
29:41
Speaker 1: and she talks about how she started dancing when she
29:44
Speaker 1: was young, when she was a teenager, because she was
29:46
Speaker 1: trying to help out with her family. Actually, so it's
29:50
Speaker 1: just always crazy to me how like, you know, sex workers, strippers,
29:55
Speaker 1: dancers are looked down on or talked down on or denigrated, um,
30:00
Speaker 1: but like their patrons are not, you know, their customers aren't. Yeah, exactly,
30:04
Speaker 1: And that goes back to like economy, like the content
30:08
Speaker 1: who has the money has the money? Will the patrons
30:10
Speaker 1: do because they were the customers the men. Yeah, absolutely
30:16
Speaker 1: that we're paying to to receive some type of entertainment
30:21
Speaker 1: in this age, service of some sort. When i UM
30:24
Speaker 1: this week, I did some trainings for like therapists and
30:29
Speaker 1: professionals and law enforcement about sex trafficking and working with
30:32
Speaker 1: survivors of sex trafficking and the red flags, the warning signs,
30:37
Speaker 1: trauma informed care, all of that stuff. Trauma informed language important.
30:40
Speaker 1: And one of the questions that I ask always is,
30:43
Speaker 1: you know, why is there such a stigma placed on
30:46
Speaker 1: sex workers, on prostitutes, on strippers. Why don't people generally
30:51
Speaker 1: in our public think fondly or kindly about strippers? Why
30:56
Speaker 1: do we talk badly about them? And it was interesting
30:59
Speaker 1: because the women in the room that are professionals and
31:03
Speaker 1: work in the field, the women in the room like
31:06
Speaker 1: responded to that question by saying, well, I think that
31:10
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, women have a negative view
31:13
Speaker 1: because our husband's, our boyfriends, our dads, um, the men
31:19
Speaker 1: in our family are spending their money on these women. Right.
31:22
Speaker 1: And so my question then to them was, well, why
31:24
Speaker 1: aren't we mad at the men for spending the money
31:27
Speaker 1: in a way that you don't want them to. Right?
31:31
Speaker 1: The dancer is dancing, She's doing her job doing and
31:34
Speaker 1: dancing literally stripping is not harmful to anyone, now, no
31:39
Speaker 1: one gets hurt. Yeah, Roxand Gay has a really right
31:42
Speaker 1: um short story about this in her book Difficult Woman,
31:45
Speaker 1: which I'm were Difficult Women which I really like, I
31:48
Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but it's also about like following
31:50
Speaker 1: like a mixed race sex worker, stripper, dancer, and like
31:55
Speaker 1: the harassment that she faces. Right, but it's quote her job.
31:59
Speaker 1: I'm going to link that someone. Yeah. Roxane Gay has
32:02
Speaker 1: a new book out called tonguer. Yeah, um, yeah, no, no, no,
32:06
Speaker 1: Roxane Gay is amazing, and she's another thinker woman of
32:11
Speaker 1: color who I think tries to tries to to talk
32:16
Speaker 1: about sex work. Right, I would call her like a
32:19
Speaker 1: pro holes ho. Yeah, with the pro ho lens. She
32:22
Speaker 1: tries to talk about sex or with the pro ho lens.
32:24
Speaker 1: And I think that's so important. I hope and like
32:29
Speaker 1: I choose to read and learn from writers and thinkers
32:34
Speaker 1: who are very vocally and intentionally pro ho. Yeah, absolutely,
32:38
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, And I mean we can
32:41
Speaker 1: talk about a couple more of our hospirations. Right, So
32:43
Speaker 1: we talked about Ambrose. Um, we we've mentioned now Roxanne
32:47
Speaker 1: Gay also um little known. But also if you're on
32:51
Speaker 1: social media a lot, maybe you've you've you've had this
32:54
Speaker 1: conversation before. But another hospiration is um Maya Angelou. Yes,
33:00
Speaker 1: Maya Angelou. Um everything that she was poet, author, scholar, academic,
33:08
Speaker 1: creative artist, She was also a sex worker. She was
33:12
Speaker 1: formerly a sex worker. She was formerly an exotic dancer,
33:15
Speaker 1: and that piece of her is not really spoken about
33:19
Speaker 1: by people who write about Maya Angelou or people who
33:23
Speaker 1: write biographies on her. Even trying to find the source
33:26
Speaker 1: was difficult. But Maya Angelou in her interviews, she and
33:30
Speaker 1: in her poetry, she talks about how she worked as
33:34
Speaker 1: a sex worker. She talked about you know those experiences
33:38
Speaker 1: in in pretty plain language, and so I am you know,
33:41
Speaker 1: uh love Tumbler. Yes, before Twitter, there was tumbler. You know,
33:47
Speaker 1: Tumbler Like there's all this critical analysis, there's all this
33:51
Speaker 1: history on there, um. And I really appreciate the space
33:54
Speaker 1: that tumbler has provided for women of color, firms of color,
33:58
Speaker 1: queer folk, queer folk, sex worker, my, my queer friends.
34:01
Speaker 1: They there's a community because I talk about like I
34:04
Speaker 1: G community, right, but they talk about their Toddler queer community.
34:07
Speaker 1: And that's so that's a whole different lens exactly. So anyways,
34:12
Speaker 1: are big source that we have here. We have a couple.
34:14
Speaker 1: We have a tumbler called stripper Notes dot tumbler dot com.
34:19
Speaker 1: UM a blog by a stripper for strippers. And UM.
34:23
Speaker 1: In this post that was I think either written or
34:28
Speaker 1: shared by Miss and dream Mermaid. UM, they talk about,
34:31
Speaker 1: you know, when Maya Angelu died, when she passed away.
34:35
Speaker 1: Um she died at the age of eighty six. UM
34:41
Speaker 1: that the the author of this post is asking of
34:44
Speaker 1: all of her accolades and the details of her life.
34:47
Speaker 1: Why is it that so often UM her history as
34:51
Speaker 1: a sex workers is left out, always and overlooked, And
34:55
Speaker 1: so this author writes this um we can once again
35:01
Speaker 1: boil it down to respectability, politics, and stigma. I am
35:04
Speaker 1: angry about it. I find myself ruminating, considering wondering if
35:08
Speaker 1: her work had been talked about as much as her
35:10
Speaker 1: dancing with James Baldwin, or even her considerable, commanding and
35:13
Speaker 1: lovely height of six feet what would the sex work
35:16
Speaker 1: community look like today if we had talked about her
35:19
Speaker 1: wonderful compassion for sex workers, how she never looked down
35:22
Speaker 1: on them, and her refusal to be intimidated by invasive
35:26
Speaker 1: and obnoxious questioning about her sex working past. What would
35:30
Speaker 1: sex workers around the world be saying today in her
35:34
Speaker 1: memory of her life? Instead, we read post after post, obituary,
35:38
Speaker 1: obituary after tribute calling her a pimp and saying she
35:41
Speaker 1: had an unsuccessful stint as a prostitute. The most detailed
35:45
Speaker 1: accounts currently online are making sure to emphasize that she
35:49
Speaker 1: spent a brief stint, a short time in the sex industry,
35:53
Speaker 1: so as to without explicit words solidify the shame they
35:57
Speaker 1: believe she should have felt, the shame we should feel
36:00
Speaker 1: as well. The media uses inflammatory terms to get clicks
36:03
Speaker 1: and to emphasize the terrible and shameful secret that was
36:07
Speaker 1: in actuality never a secret at all. Dr Angelou herself
36:11
Speaker 1: says she was never ashamed. Quoting Dr Angelou, I wrote
36:15
Speaker 1: about my experiences because I thought too many people will
36:18
Speaker 1: tell young folks I never did anything wrong. Who me, never?
36:22
Speaker 1: I I have no skeletons in my closet. In fact,
36:25
Speaker 1: I have no closet. They lie like that, and then
36:28
Speaker 1: young people find themselves in situations and they think, damn,
36:31
Speaker 1: I must be a pretty bad guy. My mom or
36:33
Speaker 1: dad never did anything wrong. They can't forgive themselves and
36:36
Speaker 1: go on with their lives. So I wrote the book
36:38
Speaker 1: Gathered Together in My Name about my past as a
36:41
Speaker 1: sex worker. UM. And My Angelou was also famous for saying,
36:46
Speaker 1: very plainly, she had this really important quote, there are
36:49
Speaker 1: many ways to prostitute oneself, right, and so UM, I
36:55
Speaker 1: think it's so important to talk about my Angelou and
36:58
Speaker 1: her history as a sex worker in action, and because
37:01
Speaker 1: of all of her other incredible work, you know, and
37:05
Speaker 1: it's true. There are many ways to prostitute oneself. Yeah, yeah,
37:11
Speaker 1: not just by selling one's body absolutely, um. And who else?
37:16
Speaker 1: Who are are other inspirations? Um? We talked about Also
37:20
Speaker 1: Sylvia Rivera we did, yes, so um we we found
37:26
Speaker 1: this article. Yeah, so Sylvia Rivera, she was a trans
37:31
Speaker 1: woman of color sex worker UM lead the Stone Wall
37:36
Speaker 1: riots along with Marsha P. Johnson and other another trans
37:40
Speaker 1: queer folks that were there, um but really founded like
37:45
Speaker 1: the QTPO liberation movement that was and later pushed out
37:50
Speaker 1: by gay mainstream movements essentially um. Yeah. So also like
37:57
Speaker 1: we can't talk about lgbt Q movement history without talking
38:02
Speaker 1: about Sylvie Rivera and right, and so we we found
38:06
Speaker 1: this article UM that was published on Broadly, which is
38:08
Speaker 1: like the women's portion of Vice. UM and the author
38:14
Speaker 1: Leonie rotoriic um didn't interview UM with a sex worker
38:20
Speaker 1: by the name of Juno mac and UM. Juno talks
38:24
Speaker 1: about how sex workers historically have been at the forefront
38:29
Speaker 1: of a lot of movements and pushes for equality and
38:33
Speaker 1: even you know, UM, citing resistance in the against the
38:37
Speaker 1: prison industrial complex, in opposition to police violence and boarders
38:42
Speaker 1: UM and the fight for drug decriminalization. Right, and so
38:45
Speaker 1: this article also talks about UM the LGBT movement even
38:50
Speaker 1: being hesitant to acknowledge and include sex workers and the
38:54
Speaker 1: role of sex workers, and the role of queer sex
38:56
Speaker 1: workers such as Sylvia Rivera Right, who was a transgender
39:00
Speaker 1: sex worker UM and was so important in that history.
39:04
Speaker 1: You know. So I think that when we talk also
39:08
Speaker 1: about women's health, yes, about women's health, about our right
39:13
Speaker 1: to a decent wage, I think that historically that sex
39:17
Speaker 1: workers have been involved in those movements as well, right
39:20
Speaker 1: for pay, quality, for pay in general, because sex work
39:24
Speaker 1: is something that is criminalized and stigmatized. So how can
39:27
Speaker 1: you have pay equality in that type of a situation. Yeah, so,
39:33
Speaker 1: access to safe working conditions, access to healthcare, all of that,
39:39
Speaker 1: all of that is important, all of that, And I
39:42
Speaker 1: guess like for us, why do we identify, why do
39:45
Speaker 1: we take on the pro ho Why is that our politic?
39:49
Speaker 1: Why do we use that term how or reclaim it
39:52
Speaker 1: or puta whatever it is that you like to call yourself, right,
39:56
Speaker 1: why do we use those terms? You know, thinking about
39:59
Speaker 1: it right now. So, prior to you know, ViOS f
40:02
Speaker 1: M Right, I was for a hot minute on Instagram.
40:05
Speaker 1: I was yeah, and I think um, creating that I
40:11
Speaker 1: think came from a survivor standpoint. Right around that time,
40:17
Speaker 1: I was like recovering from a sexual assault, um and
40:20
Speaker 1: a lot of things. So I think that is when
40:23
Speaker 1: I really started to think about like hope practice um
40:27
Speaker 1: and reclaiming my sexuality and wanting to feel like my
40:30
Speaker 1: body was mine again, right, So really being able to
40:32
Speaker 1: own my body, what I do with it. If I
40:35
Speaker 1: take a photo, how I dress, so on me reclaiming
40:40
Speaker 1: myself right because my power was taken from me, right,
40:43
Speaker 1: so I need to get my power back. So how
40:45
Speaker 1: am I doing that by dressing how I want and
40:48
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck? Right, taking a photo and not
40:50
Speaker 1: giving a fuck? Um? So really like survivor standpoint. I
40:55
Speaker 1: love that. That's beautiful and I again right like hoism
40:59
Speaker 1: should be survivor focused and survivor centric um for me.
41:04
Speaker 1: I saw this tweet ones that or maybe I saw
41:07
Speaker 1: it on Tumblr, but I saw it somewhere where somebody
41:09
Speaker 1: had taken home and they turned it into an acronym
41:13
Speaker 1: for heaven on Earth, which I love, and I'm like, well,
41:17
Speaker 1: how is just heaven on Earth? So how can you
41:20
Speaker 1: not right? So how can you not love it. That's
41:23
Speaker 1: all we all want to be in heaven anyways, it's
41:25
Speaker 1: right here. Um. And the other reason is because I
41:29
Speaker 1: come from like a really um devout Catholic family. You know,
41:35
Speaker 1: my grandmother loves church and and were Mexican Catholics. And
41:41
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school for like nine years and
41:44
Speaker 1: it was a lot, and it was the type of
41:46
Speaker 1: environment where UM talk about shaming girls for like our
41:50
Speaker 1: bodies and our clothes. It's nothing but shame. It's one
41:55
Speaker 1: shame oriented um education when it comes to girls are bodies,
42:02
Speaker 1: queer students and their bodies. UM, when it comes to
42:06
Speaker 1: sex education, it's just all shame. It's all shame. And
42:09
Speaker 1: so I feel like for me, coming into hoism and
42:13
Speaker 1: as practice is like letting go of all of that,
42:17
Speaker 1: just kind of dispelling it for my body, like getting
42:19
Speaker 1: rid of it, because the shame is it's crippling and
42:22
Speaker 1: it's it's oppressive and it's not helpful, it's not it's
42:26
Speaker 1: not healthy. Yeah, I think like because the same I
42:29
Speaker 1: come from a religious family. So I think also tied
42:32
Speaker 1: with that, it's like this whole idea of body count body.
42:35
Speaker 1: So if you're if you come from a Catholic family
42:37
Speaker 1: or a Christian family, a background. There's this emphasis on like, well,
42:41
Speaker 1: you have to save yourself for a quote marriage, so
42:44
Speaker 1: you can't have a high body count, like I don't
42:46
Speaker 1: have anybody. You can't have anybody, can You should be
42:48
Speaker 1: a virgin when you get married, And then if you do,
42:50
Speaker 1: it should be like sub I'm gonna make a like
42:53
Speaker 1: sub five, right, maybe maybe even that would be high
42:57
Speaker 1: for some people, you know, which is fine. Do what
43:00
Speaker 1: what you want with your body and who you who
43:02
Speaker 1: you spend your time with, who you're intimate with. But
43:04
Speaker 1: don't shame folks that perhaps have a higher body count
43:06
Speaker 1: or don't need to keep counting. You don't need to
43:08
Speaker 1: keep count if you don't want to. And I think
43:10
Speaker 1: that's what's one really important thing about hoism is like
43:14
Speaker 1: and feminism, womanism is you know, if you're not hurting
43:18
Speaker 1: other people, if you're not causing harm to others, um,
43:22
Speaker 1: and what you're doing is your truth, then it makes
43:25
Speaker 1: you feel good, then do it. But you don't impose
43:28
Speaker 1: your expectations and standards on anybody else. You just don't,
43:32
Speaker 1: you know, we expect everyone to respect boundaries, UM, to
43:36
Speaker 1: not abuse other people, to treat others with respect, Like
43:39
Speaker 1: that's basic human decency, you know. But to tell a
43:43
Speaker 1: woman or to tell a fem person or anybody that
43:45
Speaker 1: they can only have sex with so many, this many
43:49
Speaker 1: people under these circumstances for these reasons, funk out of here. No,
43:54
Speaker 1: not at all? Um? Why else? Why else do identify?
43:59
Speaker 1: I know the same? What else do I identify? Oh?
44:01
Speaker 1: I think because you know, I think recently I have
44:04
Speaker 1: really come to the realization that like my body is
44:08
Speaker 1: Like I just had this awakening, like this empiphany that wow,
44:11
Speaker 1: like my body exists and like is living and breathing
44:15
Speaker 1: for my own pleasure. Like my body is for me
44:18
Speaker 1: and for nobody else, Like literally no one unless I
44:22
Speaker 1: want to share my body with another person. Right, So
44:26
Speaker 1: that's part of my hoism, is like I'm going to
44:29
Speaker 1: use my body however I want to use it because
44:32
Speaker 1: it's mine, you know. Yeah, there's something so powerful or
44:36
Speaker 1: so beautiful about being naked with yourself, like physically naked. Um,
44:40
Speaker 1: that's how I feel whenever. Like my like my post
44:43
Speaker 1: shower ritual is always like coconut oil, moisturizing with coconut
44:47
Speaker 1: and just like looking at myself literally like sitting in
44:50
Speaker 1: my vanity, naked and just looking at myself, knowing my
44:53
Speaker 1: body like that to me like that, that is my
44:56
Speaker 1: whole praxis as well. Love, self care, self care, self
45:01
Speaker 1: love absolutely, because is there is there not even just women?
45:06
Speaker 1: Right masturbating? Is there not just that? That by itself
45:11
Speaker 1: an activity that involves no other people? Right, you're doing
45:15
Speaker 1: it by yourself. But there's a stigma to it. So
45:18
Speaker 1: even just touching your own body, enjoying your own body,
45:22
Speaker 1: you can be considered a hoe in a negative way, right,
45:25
Speaker 1: because your body exists for the pleasure of a man,
45:28
Speaker 1: of a man, of a man, not another partner, but
45:30
Speaker 1: a man. But then, isn't it interesting then that sex
45:34
Speaker 1: workers who are allowing ment to experience pleasure are so
45:39
Speaker 1: stigmatized because they're benefiting financially from extra they're making money. See,
45:45
Speaker 1: we're supposed to have sex for free, not come right,
45:50
Speaker 1: And that's okay as long as expected as the other
45:53
Speaker 1: person is getting off and they're happy. So I can't
45:57
Speaker 1: benefit in any way physically, emotionally, economic, or else. It's derogatory.
46:02
Speaker 1: I'm a home okay, Well, I am a home. Yeah.
46:06
Speaker 1: And the long and the short of it, m hmm.
46:11
Speaker 1: There's so much, so much, there's so much. Why do
46:13
Speaker 1: you all identify as homes? Why do you identify that?
46:16
Speaker 1: I used to in my Instagram bio. I used to
46:19
Speaker 1: have multitasking, which I used to love. I saw that. Yeah,
46:23
Speaker 1: that used to be my little like my my in
46:25
Speaker 1: my bio for a while and I love that. And
46:27
Speaker 1: I think that's the other part of it is like listen,
46:30
Speaker 1: the holism. It's it's a practice, it's part of our politics,
46:33
Speaker 1: but it doesn't it's not consuming our life all day
46:36
Speaker 1: every day. We're doing a whole lot of stuff. Yeah,
46:39
Speaker 1: I saw this, I saw this tweet the other a
46:41
Speaker 1: few months ago. They're really stuck with me, and I
46:43
Speaker 1: still think about it now. And it's about how women
46:47
Speaker 1: or you know, folks that are are open, they're they're
46:51
Speaker 1: sexually open, that they are like hot, like they're kind
46:55
Speaker 1: of I want to find it, so I don't, but
46:58
Speaker 1: but it's some The idea is that when you are
47:00
Speaker 1: sexually free and you're open, and you you're very open, right,
47:04
Speaker 1: then that's also taken advantage of, that's also exploited, right,
47:08
Speaker 1: And I've I've found that to be true with past partners,
47:12
Speaker 1: right that because I'm so open or maybe I'm a
47:14
Speaker 1: quote ho. Well then she won't mind if this happens, right,
47:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, that's not true. Not so it's just it's
47:22
Speaker 1: it's like what you're saying, Like, yes, it's not. This
47:24
Speaker 1: does not consume my mind, Like I get, I'm multidimensional, right, Like,
47:29
Speaker 1: just because I I like it this way, it doesn't
47:31
Speaker 1: mean that you can do this either. There's still there's
47:33
Speaker 1: there's still consents, don't needs to be involved in it
47:36
Speaker 1: always and again pro ho. And I like, I get
47:40
Speaker 1: frustrated with older feminists. I get frustrated with older feminists
47:45
Speaker 1: and older feminists that I know in my life personally,
47:49
Speaker 1: because there is always a very quick tendency to turn
47:55
Speaker 1: your head around three D and sixty degrees when somebody
47:58
Speaker 1: wants to mention ho slut slut walk selfies. You know,
48:04
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of respectability politics in feminism, and
48:08
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking to older feminists, and it just
48:11
Speaker 1: is and and I don't like it, and it's annoying,
48:14
Speaker 1: you know, And so I'm like no, because hoism means
48:18
Speaker 1: exactly what trauma informed and survivor centered should mean, that
48:22
Speaker 1: I again do with my body what I want when
48:26
Speaker 1: I want, and that means I can be picky as hell,
48:28
Speaker 1: and I am picky as hell. That means that I
48:31
Speaker 1: say no to everybody that I want to say no to.
48:34
Speaker 1: However I want to say no, And when I decide
48:36
Speaker 1: to say yes, that's my choice and that's my option. Right.
48:40
Speaker 1: But being pro HO means your pro ho all the
48:43
Speaker 1: way around, your pro ho autonomy, your pro ho autonomy,
48:49
Speaker 1: ho power like that your pro HO is making their
48:52
Speaker 1: own choices about their own bodies. And and why I
48:55
Speaker 1: engage with you sexually and why I don't because this right,
49:00
Speaker 1: it is not a democracy, right I think about the
49:03
Speaker 1: tweeted ones. This is not a democracy. The body is
49:05
Speaker 1: not a democracy. It's a queendom. You know, you make
49:10
Speaker 1: all of the rules for your body, and that's it.
49:13
Speaker 1: Nobody gets to negotiate with you, exactly, queens like queen
49:18
Speaker 1: queens them. Yes, the whole queendom. There are rules, There
49:24
Speaker 1: are many rules, are rules, and I wrote I write them,
49:27
Speaker 1: and I think that's the constitution absolutely. And I think
49:30
Speaker 1: this is part of the thing is that people hear
49:32
Speaker 1: the term home or sexually liberated, they assume that there's
49:35
Speaker 1: no boundaries, no rules, no boundaries, no morals, no limits.
49:39
Speaker 1: I've found that with a partner in the past, where
49:43
Speaker 1: a lot of things happened that I did not consent
49:46
Speaker 1: to it. I was not okay with right. But because
49:48
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, she's open, she's down, she's this, she's that,
49:51
Speaker 1: so she's not going to say no, No, that's not
49:55
Speaker 1: that's not how consent works exactly anyway. So that's why
50:00
Speaker 1: we have to have these conversation important important, especially, Yeah,
50:04
Speaker 1: if you find yourself in a relationship and maybe you're
50:07
Speaker 1: doing something you don't want to do. Yeah, And I know,
50:09
Speaker 1: especially in relationships, it gets complicated and it can get
50:12
Speaker 1: very gray and fuzzy. But just no, it doesn't matter
50:16
Speaker 1: if you're in a relationship, it doesn't matter if you're married,
50:18
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have ten kids together. If
50:21
Speaker 1: you don't want to do something, then you don't have
50:23
Speaker 1: to do anything, point blank periods. Consent always. And I
50:26
Speaker 1: think we can talk about who is empowerment because I
50:29
Speaker 1: think that historically derogatory terms like slut, whole, whore thought
50:36
Speaker 1: are used to take power away from someone because when
50:39
Speaker 1: you label someone a slut or a whore, now it's
50:42
Speaker 1: like we're talking about there's no rules, there's no boundaries,
50:45
Speaker 1: there's no limits of it's a free for all on
50:47
Speaker 1: that person. No. HO is empowering because it's saying I
50:50
Speaker 1: will do whatever I want with my body and you
50:53
Speaker 1: have to play by my rules. It flips it and
50:57
Speaker 1: people have a problem with that. And that's why will
51:00
Speaker 1: have a problem exactically, because people don't like when women
51:03
Speaker 1: have ownership of our own bodies for our own purposes,
51:07
Speaker 1: for our own benefit and leisure. Absolutely, I'm a girl
51:12
Speaker 1: to be a home, to be a home. Yeah, it's fun,
51:17
Speaker 1: it's a fun life. It's a fun life. Like today, Um,
51:22
Speaker 1: I'm like really excited because I'm going to go to
51:24
Speaker 1: a pool party and like be in my bathing suit
51:26
Speaker 1: and like my ass is going to be out and
51:28
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really cute and I cannot wait
51:30
Speaker 1: to just go be cute in the sunshine. I can't
51:33
Speaker 1: wait to see those photos. It's going to be adorable.
51:35
Speaker 1: And you and that one pieces at that one piece,
51:37
Speaker 1: it's that orange from pink plastic. I'll put them. I'll
51:41
Speaker 1: put that, I'll tag them, yes so you guys can
51:43
Speaker 1: see where it's from. Because it's cute. Yeah, I want
51:46
Speaker 1: to I want to be out and about in a
51:48
Speaker 1: bathing exactly where a rooftop. That's what summer is for. Yeah. Perfect. Okay.
51:55
Speaker 1: Is there any final thoughts about anything? I'm exhaust to say.
52:01
Speaker 1: I would like I would like that sounds amazing. Okay,
52:07
Speaker 1: after this, let's be going to meet it. Okay, So
52:11
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52:15
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52:19
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52:22
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52:32
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52:36
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52:39
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52:46
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53:32
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53:37
Speaker 1: And then we also want to know, um, what's in
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54:02
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54:08
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54:12
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54:14
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54:18
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