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After the Taint & An Unexpected Letter - Towers of Midnight chapters 10 & 11 - EP551 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast. It's fine,
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  Speaker 1: I guess these chapters. That's how I feel about these chapters.
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  Speaker 1: They're fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fine, I guess. I. On rereading Matt's letter chapter,
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  Speaker 2: I find it less egregious than I do in my
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  Speaker 2: memory for a couple of reasons that I'll point out
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  Speaker 2: when I get there. Most notably, he says, yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is a rough draft that I just decided to send anyway,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like I was going to rewrite this, like
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  Speaker 2: and when he's writing a rough draft, I can see where, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple of misspellings as crossed that words like
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  Speaker 2: of course, like if you're writing a rough draft, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to cross stuff out and use a different word, right.
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  Speaker 1: That is why it's called a rough drafts because you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to make it perfect. You can just allow
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  Speaker 1: the mistakes to stand and it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, then you can my that with just like
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  Speaker 2: the number of emails I've written to then delete and
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  Speaker 2: the things I've said to them. But I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this is one of those situations where it's like, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: you should have deleted this one and rewritten it like better,
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  Speaker 2: and like taking that into account, I can I can
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  Speaker 2: forgive some of the crudeness that's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like I said last time, I love the
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  Speaker 1: sibling bickering energy that gets translated through the letter, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to forgive the letter's actual awkwardness because of
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  Speaker 1: how Elaine and Matt interact with each other via that
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  Speaker 1: letter as an icebreaker. So but uh, before we get
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  Speaker 1: to that, we have to do this this Parent chapter,
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  Speaker 1: which is like maybe a little bit less than fine.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's I have a few things to say about it,
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  Speaker 2: but not a lot. Actually, there's a few background things
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  Speaker 2: that I think are interesting in this chapter, but I
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  Speaker 2: really don't find the main plot to be. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Parent meets with Galled and they both kind of go yep,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna fight, and like Gold never says his name,
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  Speaker 2: which is just dumb. He says, I'm the Lord Captain commander,
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  Speaker 2: Like what why would he not say his formal title
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  Speaker 2: and his full name? Like that seems just common sense.
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  Speaker 2: It feels manufactured that that pairing doesn't find out in
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  Speaker 2: this moment that gall It is the Lord Captain commander.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what frustrates me about this chapter.
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  Speaker 1: That's what frustrates me hugely about their entire dynamic is
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  Speaker 1: that so much would have been resolved if Galott had
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  Speaker 1: just ever introduced himself by name, which seems like a
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  Speaker 1: perfectly ordinary thing to do, and the fact that that
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  Speaker 1: is what so much of this like, will they won't
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  Speaker 1: they plot hangs on just I hate will they won't
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  Speaker 1: they anytime that that's used as a narrative, plot forwarding,
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote, or plot stalling device. It just I hate
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  Speaker 1: it as a trope. I hate it as a mechanic.
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  Speaker 1: And this feels like so manufactured and ham fisted, even
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  Speaker 1: within the context of that trope that it's I sprained
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  Speaker 1: my eyes rolling my eyeballs when I was reading this chapter.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I don't think I want to do a
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  Speaker 2: read in on this. I don't find the I I'd.
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  Speaker 1: Rather Yeah, the only thing I think we need from
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  Speaker 1: this reading is to point out these two interesting two
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  Speaker 1: Rivers names that never come up again, because those are
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  Speaker 1: probably fan inserts.
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  Speaker 2: Because oh, okay, good call, we've.
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  Speaker 1: Never heard of montem Alsan and asi Alphone. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think those are names we've ever seen before or since,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure those are some more hat tips
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  Speaker 1: to batter reads.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, I didn't actually look those two people up.
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  Speaker 1: And then the only other interesting part about the area
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  Speaker 1: that would be a read in is just that they
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  Speaker 1: have recently camped near the statue that Ninive comes to
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  Speaker 1: get Tam at, right, Like this is one of those
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  Speaker 1: location stamps of like it's the statue with stabbing the
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  Speaker 1: ground with the sword, and you know, we know that
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  Speaker 1: when Ninive comes to get Tam that's significantly after this,
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  Speaker 1: but like they have just arrived at that statue. So
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  Speaker 1: for what it's worth in trying to organize the timelines,
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  Speaker 1: that's how helpful.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, this is before Tam quite a bit, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because Tam leaves on the eve of
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  Speaker 1: the trial, right from the eve of the battle, right,
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  Speaker 1: And Parrott is like, you have to leave now, like
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  Speaker 1: right now, and Tam says, yeah, I'm real sorry, Bud,
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  Speaker 1: but like I have to go right now. And that's
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  Speaker 1: after all of this Parent and Galt stuff has gone
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  Speaker 1: back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: That's when Tam leaves, and they have only just now
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  Speaker 1: this day in the plot arrived. So for what it's worth,
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  Speaker 1: we can locate ourselves on the timeline in that way.
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  Speaker 2: So, and just to reference those two names. In two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight, Anthony AZ's won a drawing grand prize
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  Speaker 2: hosted by tarvalont Net to get his name in the
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  Speaker 2: Tower of Midnight, So that's where this comes from. And
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  Speaker 2: mantam Alson is named for Sean Montgomery, a fan of
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  Speaker 2: the Wheel of Time. So I'm not sure how he
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  Speaker 2: got his name in there, but they are both fan inserts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, nice, Yeah, that's the game we're playing now, that
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  Speaker 1: is the game we're playing now. It was spot the
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  Speaker 1: fan insert So yeah, that's all I had for the
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  Speaker 1: entire read in section was like fan in certain names.
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  Speaker 1: And they have just arrived at the statue, which we
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  Speaker 1: know they will be camped at up to tamp getting
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  Speaker 1: taken away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got to mention that some of the two
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  Speaker 2: of her men are eyeing him sideways because they still
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  Speaker 2: think he cheated on if I deal with Berylane. They
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  Speaker 2: haven't dealt with that yet.
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  Speaker 1: I roll number one. I roll number one, And we
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  Speaker 1: should mentioned this is the chapter called after the Taint, right,
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  Speaker 1: because paren and Grady have that discussion about I used
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  Speaker 1: to not have anything to live for because of the
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  Speaker 1: tant and now that the taint is gone, Aschaman has
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  Speaker 1: something to live for. And that's an important like gestalt
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  Speaker 1: shift in their entire worldview.
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  Speaker 2: Which you know, that's the thing that Rand. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird because he picks that up before Rand sends
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  Speaker 2: the message that you're not weapons your men, right, because
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's kind of a universal observation. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need Rand to tell you that. It's sort of
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  Speaker 1: a natural law.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what Godswayne had to teach them, right.
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  Speaker 1: I truly don't think that Katswain was necessary because this
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  Speaker 1: man came to that conclusion entirely. Sands Katswain, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the simplest the dragons fan because again, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Parents first thought was so and so they're dealing with
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the white Cloaks took the travel and
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  Speaker 2: the people who were traveling with supplies.
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  Speaker 1: And the grain from so Harbor. Like Cassanderson's like, remember
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  Speaker 1: so Harbor, Remember So that's right, Yeah, the white Cloaks
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  Speaker 1: took that grain, the weavil grain.
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  Speaker 2: And so his first thought is like what do I
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  Speaker 2: what I did last time I came into the White Cloaks,
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  Speaker 2: I snuck in and freed the prisoners and snuck back
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  Speaker 2: out again, and that worked pretty well. So he's like,
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  Speaker 2: can we sneak in a freedom and they're like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: grades like, you know, I don't really see why we
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  Speaker 2: would sneak. I could just kill them. They don't have
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  Speaker 2: channel alerts. They're worthless as fighting a fighting force. And
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  Speaker 2: I love I just like I love that whole sentiment
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  Speaker 2: where Gray's like, they don't have anyone who can channel
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  Speaker 2: the one power. Grady shrugged, hands clasped behind his back
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  Speaker 2: as he walked with his black coat, the pin and
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  Speaker 2: the increasingly soldier like attitude. He was looking less and
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  Speaker 2: less like a farmer. Neil is feeling better. He and
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  Speaker 2: I could pound those children down until they give us
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  Speaker 2: what we want, and it's just like yeah, like ye,
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  Speaker 2: just the two of them are a force that outstrips
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  Speaker 2: the White Cloaks. They're so useless.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Paren's like, oh my god, complicated, complicated, complicated.
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  Speaker 1: They're like parent, parent, parent. The level of Mountain versus
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  Speaker 1: Mole Hill right now is ridiculous. Any One of these
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  Speaker 1: channelers could probably take out the entire White cloak army,
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  Speaker 1: any two of us, it's going to be a walk
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  Speaker 1: in the park. Don't make this complicated. This is not
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand shidow. This is like three thousand dickwads
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  Speaker 1: on horses.
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  Speaker 2: Right without channelers. And you just figured out circles. So
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  Speaker 2: you know you have male channelers who can now pound
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  Speaker 2: them with an incredible amount of force with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of support in a circle.
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  Speaker 1: Well they're going to figure out circles in about thirty seconds. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just paren is so determined to make
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  Speaker 1: this complicated because his ad. It's in a way him
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  Speaker 1: and Galad are so well matched because they just insist
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  Speaker 1: on making everything so much more complicated than it.
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  Speaker 2: He realizes that this is basically the same group of
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  Speaker 2: white cloaks he dealt with before in the Two Rivers
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  Speaker 2: that he kicked out, because it's got born hauled.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't thought at the beginning that like maybe they're
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  Speaker 1: going to like be able to sneak by and like
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  Speaker 1: maybe they won't know who we are. Maybe we can
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  Speaker 1: hide that. And then the first white cloak that walks
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  Speaker 1: up is like the one who has the most animous
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  Speaker 1: for him. Okay, we're not going to get to exactly,
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  Speaker 1: so none of none of that subterfuge is going to
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  Speaker 1: help cool.
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  Speaker 2: Does parent have six fingers on his left hand?
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  Speaker 1: I know right well he is from the two rivers
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  Speaker 1: and the cats. There are paradactyls. What the polydactyl god?
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  Speaker 1: Paradactyl polydactyl.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, that reminds me of a reference Sluggie before.
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  Speaker 2: It's a webcomic, and there's there's a horror theme where
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  Speaker 2: Satan gives birth to a slew of murderous kittens who
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  Speaker 2: eventually sprout bat wings and start attacking from the skies.
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  Speaker 1: Polydactyl ary tactyles. Yes, that's where I'm going, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so circles. Another important step in the creating of Malinair
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  Speaker 1: occurs when the male female experimentation into making circles becomes
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  Speaker 1: a thing, and now they're just going to teach it
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  Speaker 1: to everyone else. But like, this is the moment when
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  Speaker 1: they figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Sanderson is trying to be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we have all of these things that exist out in
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  Speaker 2: the world that now I need everybody to figure out
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  Speaker 2: all of the same. Like we're doing stepping up power
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  Speaker 2: levels very quickly. A lot of people are learning how
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  Speaker 2: to be soldiers very quickly. A lot of channelers are
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  Speaker 2: learning these weaves that were, you know, kind of scattered,
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  Speaker 2: and how to make how men and women can work together,
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  Speaker 2: and how to make gateways. And there's just a lot
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  Speaker 2: of power scaling happening in this book, kind of in
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  Speaker 2: the background as we He's like, okay, to have the
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  Speaker 2: last we want all of these tools and abilities and
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  Speaker 2: things to be in the last battle, which means all
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  Speaker 2: these people need to have those abilities. So hold on
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  Speaker 2: really quick, let me teach everybody everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, signaritively, there is a critical mass that does make sense,
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  Speaker 1: But it also is like Sanderson got in here and
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  Speaker 1: was like, all right, we're going to turn the pedal
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  Speaker 1: to the medal. Let's go, right, let's go. Sanderson is
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  Speaker 1: in town now, we need to make this happen.
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  Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I think power scaling magic
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  Speaker 2: systems is one of Sanderson's best writing abilities, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: he's a great world builder and he's great at power
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  Speaker 2: scaling magic right. I think those are two of the
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  Speaker 2: things he's you know, I think his character work needs work.
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  Speaker 2: I think his plot is often a little simplistic, and
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  Speaker 2: I think his writing is often not as well layered
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  Speaker 2: as it could be. All these means he's very accessible, right,
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  Speaker 2: He's very easy to read. And I know people will
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  Speaker 2: disagree with some of the people love some of his characters,
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  Speaker 2: and I still find them very shallow, even as more
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  Speaker 2: complicated ones.
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  Speaker 1: But and he writes his action well, yeah, no, it's
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  Speaker 1: I love Robert Jordan and his magic system. But Sanderson's
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  Speaker 1: ability to scale and expand a magic system at this
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  Speaker 1: critical juncture in the escalating towards the Last Battle was
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  Speaker 1: really a powerfully constructive wave.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, And I'm really love Pavara and Andral.
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  Speaker 2: I just I wish it had been Logaine and one
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  Speaker 2: of the and his like if I just rewrite that
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  Speaker 2: to be like, oh yeah, just have that below gain
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  Speaker 2: because he's a character that exists. It'd be cool to
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  Speaker 2: see him figuring this all out with the Gateways, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but I understand why they didn't. You know. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing Sanderson really likes to do, and you see this
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  Speaker 2: really in The Misborn, the second Misborn trilogy, is he
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  Speaker 2: loves just to min max his characters. He loves to say,
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  Speaker 2: oh what if he's really really really low power? But
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  Speaker 2: he can do this really amazing thing with this one
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  Speaker 2: really amazing thing with gateways, How can I use that
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  Speaker 2: to its full full extent?
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  Speaker 1: Which is fun, it's a good it's a good sandbox
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  Speaker 1: to plan, but it is also you can see it
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  Speaker 1: when it's happening. Something I really like about this exchange
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  Speaker 1: with Paren and Greedy is that Paren does not even
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  Speaker 1: question the concept that the tank could have been cleansed.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, that makes sense, seems like something Rand
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  Speaker 1: would do, seems like something this man really believes. Just
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  Speaker 1: kind of feels right, like he doesn't be all stuck
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  Speaker 1: in them at about it like literally everyone else except
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  Speaker 1: for Moraine. It's like Paren and Moraine are the only
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  Speaker 1: ones that are.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, that tracks and it's his. And he
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  Speaker 2: does that repeatedly with Rand, where he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: of course you need to break the seals like you have.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have to clear the rubble. That makes sense
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  Speaker 2: to me, right like all of the You can't reford
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  Speaker 2: something that's broken, you have to make a new one,
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  Speaker 2: right like that. He Paren is is super probably the
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  Speaker 2: most supportive of Rand out of anybody in the series.
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  Speaker 1: In general, by a large margin.
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  Speaker 2: Like his whole, this whole quest to go out and
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  Speaker 2: get the profit and come back. He has stuck to
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  Speaker 2: that the whole time. I mean, little diversion to rescue
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  Speaker 2: his wife, but that's understandable, right, But other than that,
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  Speaker 2: he's completely stuck with his quest and up until the
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  Speaker 2: point where you know, and he really he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: he wanted me to take care of him as a problem,
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  Speaker 2: and I took care of as a problem. If it
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  Speaker 2: was somewhat accidental, he did. He put his followers through
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  Speaker 2: a meat grinder on purpose, so you know, he's and
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  Speaker 2: he's loyal and Matt, Matt's almost loyal by accident, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Matt is a lot more skeptical
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  Speaker 1: when he gets told about the taint being cleansed, like
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  Speaker 1: he's convinced, but his first reaction does not make sense.
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  Speaker 1: His first reaction is are you insane? Yeah, you're probably insane,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, like he does what everyone else does,
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  Speaker 1: and Paren's just like, I don't I want to say
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  Speaker 1: why that would be false? Seems reasonable, which I mean,
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  Speaker 1: granted Paren has the spidy sense of smell, but still,
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  Speaker 1: I just liked that his inclination is like weeah, Rand
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  Speaker 1: would probably do something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And logically, yeah, I mean, he's the Dragon reborn, He's
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  Speaker 2: this legendary figure. He's probably going to do things no
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  Speaker 2: one else has done, and the tent has to be
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  Speaker 2: cleansed in order to be tainted, right, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: like and just it's it makes sense on a lot
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  Speaker 2: of levels. And I think that's why it's so frustrating,
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  Speaker 2: because you expect everyone to react the way parent does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Parent's an outlier, but it's what all of
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  Speaker 1: us are feeling as readers who spend so much time
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  Speaker 1: with Rand, being sympathetic to Rand.
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  Speaker 2: So then we get Grady talking about how he wants
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  Speaker 2: to go back to see his family in the Black Tower,
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  Speaker 2: which doesn't that like not be possible because the spike
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  Speaker 2: is there.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how parent is clued into the fact
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  Speaker 1: that something's wrong at the White Tower, because yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: man who is the Black Tower you very determined to
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  Speaker 1: go see his family. Is like I can't get in parents, like,
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  Speaker 1: oh that that means something's wrong, something has to be
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  Speaker 1: But we have our own problems here, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think parents have ever able to do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't do we ever know what happens
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  Speaker 1: to Sora and Gadrin throughout all of the Black Tower Shenanigans.
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  Speaker 2: One would assume they're fine because Gadrin.
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  Speaker 1: Is got ok okine, right right. Yeah, so one assumes
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  Speaker 1: that him and his mom are fine. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we ever see them on page or see them
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  Speaker 1: reunite with Grady or anything. That has to just be
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  Speaker 1: a pure speculative headcanon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see any reference to them after this chapter.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Gadrin is definitely Geidl Kane because he's ugly
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  Speaker 1: as a stump, young enough to be paired up with
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  Speaker 1: Brigido when she's you know, reborn in like less than
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  Speaker 1: a year. And yeah, it's described as ugly and has
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  Speaker 1: a g name, So you know, one assumes no one
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  Speaker 1: is not assuming.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I believe it's been confirmed by Sanderson in his
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  Speaker 2: Outside the Books.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really really okay, okay, cool, cool, because it feels
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  Speaker 1: a little water tight of a theory for anything else.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a little satisfying to know. Actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Brandon Sanderson, however, indicated he knows both who Geidle
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  Speaker 2: is and left a clue and Towers of Midnight about
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  Speaker 2: his identity. Wait, In a later interview, he ended that
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Gadrin would be too old.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I thought it was Olver. That's too old. Yeah, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: thought it was always Oh it must be Olver, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: it's like no, Oliver significantly too.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: He later admitted Grady had multiple children. The new theory
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: practically confirmed by Sanderson is that Gadriel is another son
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: of Grady that is either just born or recently conceived. Okay, whatever, whatever, whatever.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: God. Sometimes authors are just wrong, need us readers to
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: tell them that they're wrong.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you don't. He's he's this is clearly a
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: g name, ugly like, this is clear. Oh my god,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: No it's another son because he's too No, he's not
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: too old.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Now what have you read?
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Okay? Whatever? God. Sometimes Brandon Sanderson needs to shut up
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: outside of his books. It's also one of my biggest
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: problems with his own books too. It's like, dude, can
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you just let us read the books and interpret them
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: like raphos shit? More often?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I ignore. I don't really follow
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: authors in general as a as a thing. I follow
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: very few authors because I just want the finished book.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want all of their thoughts and musings and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: whatever else. I just want the finished work. That's it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Sanderson is just the most epitomous of all of that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: All right, So news of the White Cloaks and their
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: parley comes rolling in, and Dane bornh Dane bornhold's all
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: over the situation, as one does, and yeah, invites paren
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, to go meet with Gallad, saying I would
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: totally ambush you, but the Lord captain commander has such
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a code of honor that you can trust him not
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to ambush you, which parent doesn't really believe. But it
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is an interesting expression of the dynamic that this guy
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: is like, I would ambush you. Just to be clear,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I would ambush you. I will not be ambushing you
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: because I respect my commander who will not be ambushing you.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he blames them for killing his father,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: so I mean there's definitely like some real animosity there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do like that. Galada and parents' parties
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: are both like, how crazy are you to do this?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't do this, This is dangerous, this is foolish.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Like both of their crew who are having the same complaints,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and these two very honorable, very logical men are like, no,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do our leader thing. Where we ignore all
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of our advisors and do the unadvisable thing, and yet
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: somehow annoying, they still miss each other in the most
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: annoying will they won't they ever?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Because again Bornhold never says Lord Captain Commander Madrid have
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: demondred right? Can damnondred right? Yeah? Just say the name,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: say the name.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Like we knew the Lord Captain Commander's name every other
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: time he walked on stage, every other time he's been
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: announced by one of his subordinates, he gets his full
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: title and legal name. This one time for a plot,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it happens to get left out.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And you do you think, well, uh god, what's the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: spy master's name who came from the White Cloaks?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Ballwer?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Ballwer? You think Balwer wouldn't immediately suss out who the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Lord Captain Commander is?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I refuse to believe that Balwar can
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: be that ub touse when Gallad was a pawn in
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: his old master's machinations. Like, I just I don't, I
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: don't buy it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So he walks in, and of course, you know, the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: first thing Galad does is go, oh, you got golden eyes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: You must be a dark friend, because that that was true.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't believe that, but that confirms everything else.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It's like no, no, wow.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And Paren walks in and goes, oh, the white Cloaks
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: smells terrible, but the leader smells slightly better, So I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: guess I can work with them. Maybe possibly, Yay, Galad's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a fanatic who's not fanatical.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: That doesn't even make sense, right, the leader of the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and like, shouldn't this be the group that's less fanatical?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I thought it was like the these are the good ones, right,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: these are the ones who didn't have the issues with
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the as, the questioners, who aren't the torturers, who aren't
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the ones who're crazy fanatical. So yeah, I don't know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So they do a little bit of a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: back and forth. You know, he said, she said, potato, potato.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You killed some white cloaks a few years back.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Parent demands a more formal parley, which Galad snap
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: decisions decides he doesn't want to do. It's like the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: first time we've ever seen Galad make up truly incorrect
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: decision because he actually goes back on it. But yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that's just setting up the back and forth that we're
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: gonna have to suffer through. Forever.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And so then we go back to Glaude's POV where
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: he basically says, you know, since he has yellow eyes, we're.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Gonna fight, oh right, and paren literally doesn't take him
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: captive when Grady's like, I could just nab this guy. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: it would have been so simple to just do a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: little reverse ambush, the little una reverse on who's the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: asshole here? And no, parent's so honorable.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And then exchange them for the prisoners, be like, give
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: me my prisoners back and you can have your large
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: captain commander back.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It would have been so simple, So many last chapters
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: of me banging my head against the wall if we
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: had just done that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Chapter eleven, an unexpected letter, Let's get away from the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: parents stuff.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Matt and Elaine, let's do it well, mostly Elaine but Elaine,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: laughing at Matt. I guess this one does deserve a reading. Sure, yes,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: they can't possibly think I'll sign this, Elaine said, tossing
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the sheaf of papers on to the floor beside her chair.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It's unlikely that they do. Dylon said. Her golden hair
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was pristine, her firm face controlled, her slim body poised.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: The woman was perfect. It was unfair that she should
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: look so pristine, while Elaine felt like a sow fattened
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: up and ripe for the slaughter. The heart in Elaine's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: sitting room crackled warmly. Wine sat in the pitcher on
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: one of the wall's sideboards, but of course she wasn't
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: allowed any of that if one more person tried to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: offer her bloody goat's milk. Brigita lounged near the far wall,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: golden braid hanging over her right shoulder, contrasting with her
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: white collared red coat and sky blue trousers. She poured
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: herself a cup of tea and smiled over it. Amused
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: by Elaine's annoyance, Elaine could feel the emotion through the bond.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: They were the only ones in the room. Elaine had
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: retired to the sitting room after accepting the proposal from A.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Laurien's messenger, explaining that she would like to consider the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: offer in private. Well, she'd consider it, consider it trash,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: for that was all it was. I love Elaine when
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: she's pissed piste a Lane's pretty good, and Kate reads
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: pissed off Elaine really really well.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Now I actually do enjoy this. This chunk of Elaine, right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's fun, It's well written. Pregnant Elaine is
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: just I think, a fun character, even though she does
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: really dumb, risky stuff and everyone's like, ah, I don't know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I also like getting to see the after we win
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the succession war. The plot continues right the succession arc.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I find a lot more frustrating than her figuring out
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: how to shore up her power after she technically gets
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the throne.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Same same, we definitely have talk a little bit about
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a Laura and when we'll get to her though.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So basically we have to start with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this proposal, which is that Alurian is saying, you need
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to release the political prisoners that you've taken, you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the three women whose names I'm forgetting, and a couple
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of other people. She's like, you have to let them
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: go because reasons reasons politics.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Are Mila, Nian and Elania are the three.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, those three women, and so to let them
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: go is you know, a show of reconciliation whatever whatever.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But it also puts loyalty towards the Laurian, Like there's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: all this you know, who owes who quid pro quo
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and Alaurian is for some reason proposing this,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: which pisses a Lane off because it's like she's working
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: for her enemies. And you know, Alaurian is supposed to be,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, more like Dialan, right, She's supposed to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like an honorary aunt who is best friends with her
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: mom and one of her most solid supporters, and instead
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: she's like actively undermining her. It's a whole thing, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: as we learn, there are reasons for that. It's not
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: just a Laurian being petty. There's stuff going on here.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right, because, like go back through a Laurian's history, she
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: was an ally, but she was exiled right by Morgeze right,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: beaten and exiled, beaten and exiled. But there was a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: point where she was talking about supporting.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Elaine No's She's the never trick cand hold out, Like
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: when she gets exiled by more Gaze, she is over it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: She never wants to see another trickcand on the throne.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: She's very solid about that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Path of Daggers, chapter twenty eight. Hold On. So,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: according to Dilon in the Path of Daggers, when she's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: laying out her threats, Luon and Alaurian support Elaine, but
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: may switch to like and may support her instead, So
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: at least in that moment, maybe I'm rereading this chapter
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: summary incorrect. Let me do it quick.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Either that or Dialon is super delusional. Yeah. I feel
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: like every time Alaurian gets to speak for herself she
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is a never tracanned absolutist.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I feel like that's more of a hope
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that she would support.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Her because of the history that Dylan and Alurian and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Morgaze all had. Right, She's like, well, the three of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: us are tight, like, of course she's going to come around,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and a Laurian's like, the fuck I am? I was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: publicly whipped No interesting?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I think that was just Dilan over
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like Overest, thinking oh, she'll come to us because and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: not actually getting her.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Actually yeah, yeah, Dylan was really hopeful for that entire
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: process and kept being overly optimistic. But the real reason
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: why this proposal is happening is not because a Laurian
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: hates Elaine, but because Duhara is yes anding her frustrations
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: with Elaine.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Right right, So she's being advised by a black Ajah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Sister operating as an Alida aligned red right right, It's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: really never gonna be a good situation.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And so that's where I assume that this really frustrating
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: proposal that comes out is like, yes, this is actually
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the Black od Jaw sabotaging her.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. I think it's both Elida
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: making sure that Elaine can't succeed without her and the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Black Auja making sure she can't succeed period, like I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: think Duhara is double dipping.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And because the timelines, this is happening before a Gwaine
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: over throws Alida and reveals the Black Oudjaw and Varren's letters,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and Varren commits suicideal this is all happening
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: long before that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume that this is maybe around when
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a Gwaine's getting captured and into the White Towers. Is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: probably roughly around then.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Which is just crazy that that's like two books ago.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. But yeah. So now Dalon
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and Burgita are debating the merits of the proposal in
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the sense that these prisoners are expensive to keep, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: keeping them loses its value over time, so choosing when
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and how to get of them is a super valid
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: thing to do, even if you don't like this proposal
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: per se.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And of course Brigida says, we should murder them, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like they're just they're prisoners, they're for political prisoners. They
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: should be executed right for treason essentially.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the political operators are like, no, but I love
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: this next paragraph.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So our soldiers can die. But the noble's bloody walk away,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Brigida asked. Then she raised her hand before a link
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of brod has spared lecture.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Why do they always send the bore?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I understand, I don't agree, but I understand it's always
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: been this way. And it's like, yeah, thank you Brigida
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: for pointing out the fact that like, yeah, soldiers can die,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: you know, on an order to take a few inches
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of hallway. But yet the person who is willing to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: fight and have those people sacrifice their lives on their
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: behalf is not Their life is not up for grabs.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: The life is not at risk, and it's like, maybe
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: it should be.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Why don't princess fight the wars? Why do they always
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: send them? You know, yeah, no, it's I do appreciate
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Burgita being the voice of that's not fucking fair right
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in this moment it's really nice to have her, this big,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: strong hero soldier, just being like, this is fucked up,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and then the two politicians saying, anyway, it's just like, ah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like I get I like Burgida. I'm not gonna argue
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it as like, obviously, this is the way things are,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: this is the way things have always been. But acknowledging
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that it's fucked up is important. Maybe we can change
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it someday. Certainly in this moment it won't happen, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we should at least state for the record that this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: is not okay.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, it is one of the reasons why
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: being president is is statistically one of the most dangerous
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: jobs out there. Right, The number of people who are
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a president who have been murdered in office is actually,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: as a percentage, a lot higher than almost any of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's also what you get with very small
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: sample sizes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you for pointing that out.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean, being being the leader of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a large organization that does many violent things at scale
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is not supposed to be a safe position. Although I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: guess it is supposed to be a safe position because
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of resources get put into making it safe.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: What can I use Swiss Guard. It's just really funny
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: though that the basic soldier is like, seems like the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: rich people should probably have to have some consequences, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the two very rich people.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Just look at her like crazy, No, that's yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Why why do we have a plub in here?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: How can we play game with people's life if it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: not a game?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you do realize that we're more important because
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we wear nice clothes, right, Like that is obvious to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you anyway.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Not to bring up Dungeon Crawler, Carl, but one of
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: my favorite things about that series is that, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: it starts out as the people are stuck in the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: dungeon and the aliens get to come down and play
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: roles and can murder at their heart's content and aren't
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in danger, and he's able to change the rules so
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that they are in danger, and that sort of changes everything.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: That these rich people are now trapped in a game
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: where they can be murdered, where before it was just
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: them hunting for fun. I just.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: That's a dark premise.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a dark book. It's a bloody dark series
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, but a lot of comedy as well,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: which balances it all.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Right, So we're talking about how a Lane's going to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: shore up power given that she's nibbling away at it
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: with giving chunks to the sea folk and political prisoners
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and da da da da da, And she says, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: know what we should do, We should have a war
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: on two fronts. Not really but kind.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the sea folk thing is setting up
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that she wants to get the kin so
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: she doesn't have to pay the seafolk in land anymore. Right,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this is the hole She had a bargain with them
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to be channelers for her and do gateways, and now
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, I can do that with then and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: get a better deal out of them and tell the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: sea folk to go. Because this chapter ends with her
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: going to the can and basically saying let's get them
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: here in and Or and give them a base of power.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: She still has to give the land to the sea folk,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: though she just makes it less valuable for them than
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: they thought it was gonna be.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. And she's she's also like, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: don't want to depend on the sea folk anymore, right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Like that's a big part of I think this is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: sort of starting a thought process of like yes, they've
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: been valuable, but I don't want to be dependent on
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: them as a foreign entity.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Right, And she's already given them a chunk of land, which,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as Dialand points out, as like kind of a precedent
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: breaking things, it's a little bit uncool.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But gives them old piece of land that's not actually
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: on the river, which so they have to like get
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: off the river to get to the piece of land
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and pass through you know, customs.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. But yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Elaine says, I literally just finished one more. We should
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: pick up another one. Though in fairness, Kyrieane doesn't have
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to be a war, not necessarily, given that the dragon
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: wants it to be handed over, et cetera, et cetera.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But from where Brigida and Daland are sitting, it's like
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you haven't even cooled your heels yet from the last conflict.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But she does use her conqueror of Kyrieenne to calm
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: and appease the nobles of and Or. Right, she's able
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to give them lands in Kyrieenne of people who have died,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know she's got this
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: this people want to be in her favor because she's
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: able to give them things. She's bribing them.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a really good swave political move, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it's also a gamble, right, Like she basically does double
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: or nothing with this move, and her advisers are like, ooh,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: maybe play it safe. Help, this is scary and it
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: works out in the end really well.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Instead, well, she's like, it's it's last battle time. There's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: no I'm not playing it safe anymore, right, Like we
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: need to unite. And she points out that like if
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I have Kyrienne and and or two of the most
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: powerful countries, Rand has basically alien all the southern countries,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: t her. Yeah, and he's got the South, Elaine sort
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of has the middle, and the border lands are going
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to fall into line, you know, and parents bringing sort
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of what I would call the unconquered lands that sort
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of chunk south of the two rivers west of Rand's territory. Right,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like abandoned Mirandy, all them parents bringing those,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and Matt should be bringing the shan Chan to the table. Right,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: so you really look at Grand's allies, I have really conquered. Right,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Land is in charge of the borderlands. Matt's got the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: shawan Chan. Parent's got the two rivers in that area.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Elaine has the middle of the country and Rand has
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the south, and they should all be bringing them together.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And I kind of wish that there was a little
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: more togetherness in the last battle the shawan Chan kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of being wishy washy, right. I'm like, Matt, do your job.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Paren brings his group and they're not very coherent as
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a group. I wish they were a little more coherent.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's because he doesn't have a lot of channelers.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it really works out well for Kyrion and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and Andor to this noble swapping thing because they both
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: have a lot of disgrace to nobles and depopulated estates
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and doing the because uh Rant does that with Tyr
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and Kyrie in as well, a little bit where he's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: really trying to show I mean, in his case, it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: more of a keep them out of their home country
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: so that way they can't get into trouble. But you see,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you know, people setting down new roots and developing new
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: political alliances and like maybe having a bit more international
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: camaraderie because now you have family members in both countries.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Kind of do it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Feels to me a little bit like Spain, France and
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: England all like exchanging nobles through marriage. Like yeah, it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you got Alien Kyrieen and and or all kind of
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: inter breeding, intermingling. You have this class of nobles that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: kind of rule over all three countries. It's all one
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: intermingled family. Like it's you know, he's basing this on
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: European history.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, one of Elaine's children is going to be
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the Queen Victoria of the whole scenario in the next age.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: So she says her claim to the Kyriene throne is strong.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Have we what is that besides Rand's decree.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Her father was the Kyrieenne and noble. Remember, yeah, she's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: literally descended from I guess he was brother to the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: king at the time when he married more Gaze.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she's literally niece to the King of Kyriene at.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: One point Yourn the then king of Kyriene I believe
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is the relationship. But yeah, that she has an actual
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: familial pre dragon Reborn connection to the throne. Plus the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: dragon Reborn wants her to have.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It, and assuming her grandparent on that side was king
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: right because her uncle's father would have been king, I assume,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: so before him, we don't. I don't think we have
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: direct history. But assuming that the line wasn't broken.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Right, they were not some upstart new house to the throne.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: They were like a normal kyrie in a house to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: be holding the throne for the you know. Yeah, however
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: many generations and yeah, so that's a big part of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: where her claim comes from. Is her father Tarangale Damadred.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Tarangale Damondred, that's right.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was the whole thing about how like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he gave up the right to name the children because
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of the fact that he was marrying into more Gazes
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: country rather than her marrying into his. And so that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: why the kids Ritra Cans instead of Damon Dreads. There's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a whole thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But then why is Galade Damon Dread?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Because when Trengale and Ti Grain were married, the dynamic
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: was different and they their kid was named Damondred. But
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when he made a play for the next Queen of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Anne or the negotiation was different because I guess Tom
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: was in the picture or whatever. Just I don't know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: assume Tom is the reason ultimately why that happened.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Mm hm. I kind of assumed it's like, oh, well,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you've already got your air with your name. He's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: oldest son.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: That might have been part of it, but yeah, you
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: have your firstborn son. So now the queen is going
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to have her firstborn daughter be you know, named properly
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: for her purposes as a future queen.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: That's right. It's been so long since I thought about
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that family tree that I kind of forgot how it
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was all everyone was related, you know, I don't know.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: She does have a strong, strong claim to the throne.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You're right, You're right. That's probably the granddaughter of the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: previous king and the niece of the one after that.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: All right. I mean Gallad probably could make a claim
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to sure if he was not a white clok. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: mean'm pretty sure being a white cloak means you give
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: up your other claims.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Kind of deal.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, he has almost the same ancestry claim,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like if they were really that hard up for people
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: with claims, which they aren't, because obviously so Nori walks in, right,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: he's got a little addendonym to the meeting. They thought
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they were done for the day, and he says, I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have a couple of pieces of news actually that probably
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have waited till tomorrow. So here we go.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So this is where we find out that Duhara is
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: advising Laurian.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But also that she wants to be seen advising Olorian.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That's also part of it is that this is not
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: actually like a true secret, this is a covert fuck you.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Basically, I think because Duhara came in and said, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: want to be your advisor, and Elaine said, absolutely fucking not.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I would never trust you. You're part of the Red
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Ajaw and Black even though I don't know it, And
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: so she is off visibly supporting Elaine's enemies because of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that rejection would be my assumption.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, making a show of hiding it, that's totally ineffective.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So that way, it's just like you don't see me, I'm.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Going to put up my hood, but go in my
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: branded carriage with all my attendants.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, very subtle, very subtle, very subtle, but ironically so
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it was subtle enough that Elaine needed her spy master
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to take initiative.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, that's why you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Need a novice spy master mind you. This is a
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: man who was not practiced in the craft, and he
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: still managed to do better than her figure this out.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I do like this. However, I have reason to believe
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: that Duhara said I may have had in the hand
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: in the documents, seemed to be treating with unusual reverence.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: He glanced at the page's lane had tossed to the floor.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: One bore a distinct outline of her shoe.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So funny. I like that one unusual reverence.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And I don't think we ever get a conclusion about
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Duhara's plot. I don't think is she ever dealt with.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I booh, how does Duhara die? I feel like it's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit funky, but I don't remember how google.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: During the last battle, Duhara was co opted by Heslam.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Duhara and Phalen were in a circle led by Haslam
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and faced off against the circle led by Avienda, the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: two Black sisters. We're incinerated by Avianda. So she gets,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, fireballed by Avianda.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I wonder when and how she leaves and or and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: messing with a lane. Do we see that or does
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that just kind of I think she must vanish at
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: some point. Maybe it's when Elaine tries to do some
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: stuff she just kind of bounces.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: One would assume that the message gets out right the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: last battle all the dread Lords, there's a point where
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: all the dread Lords converge, and one would assume that
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: happens shortly after like and go to be with the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: dark One in the borderlands. Right, Yeah, at.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Some point she chooses to leave from and.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Or, and so at some point I assume she chooses
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to leave and gets like recruited. I don't know if
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they're recruited by the Forsaken or if it's just like
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: they get as summoning through their Yeah, there's.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Some kind of bat signal, and then they all go
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to like a central organizing station and get like assigned
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to their Forsaken to go off and function up.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And one would assume that happens shortly after Agwayne cleanses
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the White Tower, because everybody has Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: That would make sense that probably Duhara bounces shortly after
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the White Tower purge as soon as news oh, right,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: because it would make sense, right, because it would be
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a race between if a Gwayne's message or a Black
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Sister's message would get to and Or first. Right, if
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Elaine is going to be able to take Duhara into custody,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: or if Duhara will get let to note to bail
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: quickly before that happens, So yeah, it must be. It
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: must be in response to a agwain cleansing the tower.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Because Duhara is on the list.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then next we have a page that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Nori treats with unusual reverence, which is of course Math's letter.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Rory usually values his papers, and this one he's like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: this is a dead rat of a piece of paper.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And we get a little bit of a digression talking
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: about why the mercenary captains are being handled the way
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: they are, which is essentially that Elaine has had a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: lot of the same realizations that paren has, except without
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: all the misgivings, but just that we need everyone who
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wants to swing a sword collected for the last battle.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: We don't need them for a succession war, et cetera,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: et cetera, but we do need them for a tarment guiden.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: So she's trying to sort of collect as many mercenaries
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: as she can and keep them in a staple holding
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: pattern around the city in preparation for the last battle
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: ultimately happening.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and I don't think chees Mel and Duhara
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: are ever in contact. She's not part of that group
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that Elaine deals with later, right, because those are the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: ones that are known dark friends. They're the ones who
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: have been known for a while.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where we get the letter. The scrawl
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: on the page was on even there were numerous crossed
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: out words, and some of the spelling was creative, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: so yeah, you get we go through here and there's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: like a couple of crossed out words. But like I
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: said earlier, this is a this would be a rough
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: draft that would scent be sent. I feel like it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: like someone typing up an angry email and sending it
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: instead of deleting it and retyping.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: This is the stream of consciousness blowing off steam first,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: first crash, because yeah, sometimes I'll do that right to
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: write an email or an essay or something. It's just
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you stream of consciousness, what you emotionally want to say.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, you look it over, you start editing,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you end up deleting the vast majority of it in
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the course of getting to the final version. But this
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: is that first just brain dump onto the page.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Can I also say I think it's unfortunate that it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: not read by Michael Kramer in the audiobook. I think
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: having Kate Redding read it makes it sound less like Matt.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It sounds well, it sounds like how Elaine is reading
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: in her head is exactly internal voices here.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's more of Elaine's internal voice of
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: what Matt sounds like than actual Matt. And I think
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: it would be this would actually be a fun thing
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to get Michael Kramer to read.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: That would be fun. Yeah, because yeah, when you know
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: from me at least, when I don't know someone's speaking
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: voice and I read their written stuff, they'd sound like me.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: But if I know someone's speaking voice and I know
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: how their mannerisms go and the way that they choose
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to like gesture and pause when they talk, that when
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I read their written stuff, I hear it in their cadence.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Matt and Eline have spent enough time together. It should
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: sound like Matt. It shouldn't sound like her internal voice.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: It should sound like Matt. She knows what Matt would
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: sound like. So yeah, I agree, we should have We
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: should have Michael read this.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: No, and like the crossed out, he crosses out angry
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and writes perturbed, But then in parentheses says that means angry,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: and it's like.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, again, this is venting, this is this is for,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: this is the inside words, this is stream of conscious
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: is venting, this is not it's so it's so weird.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And there's one where he's using his ring like a
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: signet like it was and the writs paper, crosses that
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: out and writes proper like that's just writing fast, you know. Yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there's no spell check on this thing. So and yeah
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: he said and like I was gonna write this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Tom is laughing at me so hard that I'm done.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm not even gonna like And so there's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: that sort of like, yeah, this is just it was
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: a couple of guys who probably you know, made a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: poor decision to send a letter and not rewrite it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also love how he throws in the most
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: important piece of information so casually and found postand but
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like that's the whole point is the Bell Founders. The
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Bell Founders is the most critical thing, and it is
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: given as little emphasis as him being married. Right, even
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: him being married is given more words and set up
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: than the Bell Founder's line. But that's the real crux.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And you acted like a queen then, So I guess
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm surprised that now you act
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like a queen when you really are a queen again.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Stream of consciousness, this is just dictating into your note
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: in your phone.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, in my head, I built that up as
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: a much more pray on based misspelling bad letter. And
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: now I'm like, eh, I could do without the pps.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Don't mind me calling your backside pretty like that. I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: think I could have just gotten cut. Yeah, and also
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the PS salutations means greeting, Like, there's a couple of
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: things in here that I think would if it was
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: just a little bit shorter, a little less try hard
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: on the matt humor, I would enjoy it better.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I'm much nodding, much nodding.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: But it's not as egregious as I had built up
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: in my head by far.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: That happens. Sometimes we turn a bath into a series
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of baths, or a few chapters into a book and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a half worth of complaining. Right, yeah, Fuji points out
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: credit where credit is due. These are wa characters trying
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to communicate, trying, which you know, but they are trying,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: which is more than most of them do. Yeah, this
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: is emotionally cathartic for Elaine, aside from getting the news
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that Tom is alive and all that. Like, she's just
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: she's highly struggled, and he just gives her this ridiculous
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: little standard routine and she laughs and it just makes
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: her whole mood relax and it's good.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Well, and she's felt guilt over abandoning this group of
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: people in Abu Dhar. She's like, the stan Chan came
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and I took the kin and I get way the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: fuck out of there, and I left behind these people.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: And as far as she knows, they could all be dead,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: they could all be enslaved by the shan Chan. She
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: has no idea, And so I think there's just there
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: was some relief in there, some unloading of guilt.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Intention right, Like it's one of those like things where
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you carry it for someone, you forget you have it,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and then and then it releases and you're like, WHOA,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't know my shoulders could be that low. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going into her outburst here, but it's
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it's good to see La and laugh. She's really cranky
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and now she's you know, laughing hysterically.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: It's Greatgew's line, he's got a nice butt, but his
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: face is to far too pretty. I'm not into pretty men.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: She's like, I will admire him from behind, only.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: The front.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Eh yeah, yeah, And then she says, finally someone I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: can go drinking with who doesn't look at me as
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: their bloody military Superior's kind of echoing paren in a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, just that, like, I need people who
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: don't look up to me because that makes me uncomfortable.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And Matt, you know, Matt is our irreverent friend. He
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: will not look up to you at all.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And Brigito was never really meant to be the commander
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: of troops, right, that's not her role again, that should
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: have been Godwin, who should be here doing that right now,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: or and should have been during the whole session war.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: But you know, and here Elaine has a good instinct
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: that Matt's soldiers are much more worthwhile than most other soldiers.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think that's to Matt's credit, right, She's
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: she's understanding something about Matt. She still doesn't believe in
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: his luck.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: So funny she.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Does say, oh, soldiers, and they're superstitions, when Brigidi is like, no,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: he she doesn't believe Brigido when he's like, no, he's
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: actually very lucky.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just looks down on all Soldiery stuff as
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: being oh, those silly plebs and they're superstitious. It's just
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like you need to pay more attention to the line,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: as Brigida.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Said, and then immediately is like, oh, yeah, who is he? Well,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: he's Tavern, So could do you not see how that okay,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: how the luck could be real when in one breath
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: you say he doesn't have the luck, in another he's
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Teverean when tavern is the bending of the pattern, which
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: could be interpreted very easily as luck.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: It's like the smallest stretch you could possibly make. Right right, anyway,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: She tells Nuri, next time someone claims to know me,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: make sure to at least run it by Burgida, and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: also definitely invite this guy in because he is who
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: he says he is.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: He is a friend, and he's got kyrieene in soldiers,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and we just talked about taking over Kyrieenne. So let's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: use those soldiers to be native Sons. Because remember, you
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: know a lot of the Band of the Red Hand,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the origin was Matt.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Matt picks up the Kyrie in in nobility during the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: shidow getting kicked out of Kyrie, right, he has a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: little core of the Tyrants, and then the are looking
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: down on the Kyrieane and really aggressively, and Matt has
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to kind of be like, no, y'all are equal, but yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: it is Tyrants and Kyrieene and who make up the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: band before it starts just attracting everyone with a sword.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, okay, you're right. I got those two scenes
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: confused in my head.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Easy to do. They are two asshole countries that mostly
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: just operate as big military units. It's easy to confuse them.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And Matt's playing dice and cards with the nobles, right, yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, but yeah, he does have a lot
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of Kyrie in and compared to most nationalities, it's Tyrants
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and Kyrie and are like the two big wedges of
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the pie chart. And then everything else is you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a regulars from everywhere, I.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Guess, except you know the fact that it grew by
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: multiple sizes while he was away. So it's like the
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: core group might be Kyrieenne and Tyrine, but I bet
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the majority are from you know, Murandi.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Right, like yeah, Atara and yeah, yeah, but nonetheless she
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: has a lot of Kyrie and to potentially loan to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Elaine for a more or less peaceful transition of power
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: in their own native land, which in many ways Elaine
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: would be going into help continue finishing what was happening
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: when Matt was in their first recruiting them, right, like
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the shidow taking over and then the nobility rebelling against Rand.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Is like they're still dealing with the fallout from that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: That is the power of vacuum that Elaine is looking
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to finally fill permanently and stably.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: No, And she makes the point with Kyrie and I
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: began knitting as ault together. Rand already controls Ilien and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Tyr and has bonds to the Ieel. You know, she
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't know about parents, she doesn't know about Matt, but
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: like there is this like bonding of the people and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: bringing together the different sections of the world to fight
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the last battle.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: She didn't get the eel fin prophecy about the North
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and the South must be as one, but she's got
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the same general idea that like, maybe unity is the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: correct approach to this upcoming world shattering battle thing.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: And she's also like, maybe I should be in charge
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: of the Dragon's empire after Rand dies, if he dies,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: but she's probably gonna die.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's looking at Kyrie and it's a void
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: of power, and then she's extrapolating forward to Rand's much
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: larger empire and the inevitable void of power that his
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: death will create. And she's like, mm, a pretty savvy
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: political operator, I should be positioned to take.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: That because Alien and Teer border her lands, right, So,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: and if they're both going to be left leaderless, all
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, she controls a third of the continent, basically,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: everything but the border lands and the shan Chan lands.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in many ways, you know, she's got the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: right arrogance to try to, you know, match hawk Wing
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: in some ways, right like and or Or Camlin has
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: been an institution since the embers of Arter Hawking's empire.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: For her to say, well, it seems right that the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: son should never set on the andor At empire. It
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: feels keeping in character with who that nation is.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: It is Camelot, right Like that's yeah. And so then
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: she's just basically like, yeah, I'm going to go take
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Kyrie in. I need traveling to be able to rule
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: to major cities at the same time, So let's go
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: talk to the kin.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, basically we get a timestamp that Rand is
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: really dark right now. But she really doesn't have time
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: to think about that, you know, she just sort of
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: notes it to the side and then says, Yeah, more
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: immediate issue, let's figure out the future of the Kin.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: What did she say about Rand?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: She glanced to the west where she could feel that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: lot of emotions that was Rand. The only thing she
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: ever sensed from him these days was a cold anger
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: buried deeply? Was he an Ara Domon?
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, timestamp which.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I think we saw Paren was thinking about Rand earlier.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yes, Rand feels like shit for
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. And he sees a vision of Rand with
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Ninive on muddy streets. And then Elaine thinks, here is
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: he in Aaron Demon's I think he is. That is
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the era Demon section.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he's failing Ara Domon right now. Yeah, where
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: he's cutting open the grain section of the grain and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: right right, yeah, that it's all going bad and everyone's
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: going to starve, and he's abandoning those people.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Right, That's that's where we're at in terms of the timeline.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not really Elaine's problem. She's got plenty
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of food. We write, food is not so much an
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: issue for her. She's worrying about the future. The present
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: is less of an issue for her. The future is
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: the issue. And yeah, I guess I should do a readout.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, sure, let's do it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: She could not let that happen. The woman in her
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: cringe to think of planning for Rand's death, but the
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Queen could not be so squeamish. The world was changing.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I realize it will be difficult to administer two nations,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Elaine said, but I must hold Kyrie in for the
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: good of both thrones. She turned and met Dilond's eyes,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and the older woman nodded slowly. It seems you are committed.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I am, Elaine said, but I feel I'm going to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: need reliable use of traveling if I'm going to manage it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Let's set up a meeting for me with Jamaico and Elise.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: We need to discuss the future of the king. That
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: is going to be a very productive relationship for and Or.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Having the kin base there is going to have short,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: medium and long term benefits for and Or well.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And if you look at where the White Tower is positioned,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: it's kind of in the no man's land between Kyrieenne
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and Or and the borderlands, and she's already got the
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Black Tower there. It's like, you know, she really is
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: sort of making her this space the center of channeling
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: because she's got the kin where the White Tower is
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: going to retire, She's probably going to expand upwards into
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: that land where the White Tower is, and she's got
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the Black Tower there already. Yeah, because like, look, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, who's going to rule? Well, it
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't Ran set up rulers for Illian and Tier.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: He sets up stewards for the Dragon.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Don't uh, doesn't the steward of Tier get become king?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does transition the steward to being a proper king.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: That's Darlin, and what about Lilian Alien They find Stepaneos
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: in the White Tower, still undamaged, and they pick someone
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: from the Council who's not tainted or a dark friend
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and yeah, he gives it back. I forget
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the specifics of how Ilion goes down, So.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: One would assume then that Elaine doesn't take them over
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: after the last battle, and they just maintain that when
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: they signed the Piece of the Dragon, that that's just
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: the borders are where they are.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Right, because Elaine has a large enough empire that she's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: got a she's a good ally, right, you don't have
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to take over a thing in order to be in
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: charge of dealing with the sean Chan issue. Right, there's
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the whole like in abvien As the vision they call
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: like the Pact of the Griffin, right, Like, it's not
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: one nation, it's a mutual defense agreement. And Alan's not
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you know, power hungry for power's sake. She just has
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a very big sense of what stability looks like, which,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: you know, in fairness, given the way we've seen these
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: nations interact over the last two years of this book's timeline,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: she's not wrong.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Right, but a lot of changes in the last two years,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, and.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: The world's been shrinking for centuries, right, the human world
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: has been in retreat, like the Ogier talk about, for
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: centuries upon centuries, So looking to make a nice big
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: bubble to hold stability, and it makes sense.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: And then to expand out right like the one would
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: assume that a lot of the unclaimed lands, now that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: you've got trains, right, are very quickly going to be populated, well.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Especially with the loss of the Dark One and the
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Dark Armies of Trolis. Right, there's going to be so
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: much room for humanity to finally expand and have their
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: birth rate go up and not all be slaughtered by
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the age of sixteen and Tralla grades or whatever. So
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to, yeah, move into spaces
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that they haven't had access to for many centuries, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: with such better technology. Yeah, it makes sense to set
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: those those boundary markers out nice and big anticipating that
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: growth period.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and one wonders how much and Or and Kyriene
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: are going to continue to be separate nations, right, Yeah,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and then I can I bet the Iel end up
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of them end up settling in the unclaimed
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: lands of Kyriane because there's a huge chunk of land
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: between the waste in Kyrieenne that they've abandoned because they're
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: afraid of the ideal.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And then they're nice and close to the waste if
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they want to go, you know, ex visit their family
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: who don't like being in the.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Wet length, or go to Ridian, right, because Ridian's also
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: become a major city, right, that's being a major hub
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: of commerce and all that kind of stuff.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're going to have a population center at
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that mountain pass. It makes sense that the ideal would
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: be the ones gravitating to do that totally. Yeah, the
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: fourth Age is going to be a real boom for sure.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. No, again, the only issue is the Sean Chan.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: But I just I just believe that the culture is
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: has to change in the shawn Chan. Like the fact
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that all of the Suldam can be collared just means
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: that the society and the power dynamic is going to
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: fall apart. There's just no way they can maintain it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I mean a Guyan and bail Domon alone are on
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a mission. Lyellwyn and bail Domon, they're on like a
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: mission on their own to try to, you know, jail
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: break people's minds for lack of a better term. Many
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: people are on that mission. It's Yeah, the shawn Chan
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: culture is going to change profoundly and for the better.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to talk a lot about the bargain
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: between Elaine and Tuon about like the channelers and how
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: they can they can request to be collared, And I
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: just I have a lot of curiosity about the implications
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: of that it'll be fun to talk about.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: That chapter will not be a doubleheader. Just making a prediction.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Now, for sure, for sure, But I think we're done
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: with this doubleheader.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was quick. I will not say it short
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: and sweet, but it was short and fine. I guess
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know those chapters, especially the parent Gala chapters,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: like one thing's happening, right, it's parent meeting with Glad
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: and a few things around that. But like Sanderson really does,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: sometimes when he sets things up, is setting up one
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: or two things per chapter. He's not necessarily doing a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: lot of deep, deep movement in these chapters. Yeah, he's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: an outliner. And when you can spot the outline, you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: can spot the header of that outline, which was parent
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: meets with Glad. I can see it in my chapter
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: summaries right as I go through Sanderson's books. You know,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: when I go through Jordan's books, I'd have this happens, Comma,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: this happens, Comma, this happens, and I'd be like, well,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving out a bunch, but that's enough for us
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: to get the gift of it. The gist, the gist.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I learned that word from reading. That's okay, but my
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: summaries of the Santa and stuff is generally one sentence
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and it captures everything, you know, So it's just it's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: even I am actually currently going back and listening to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Warrior of the All Tai, which is Jordan's you know,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: proto Wheel of Time slash Barbarian fantasy, and just like, ah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: the number of layers going on, even in that sort
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: of early early book of his, which is a very
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: simple plot line with very simple characters, kind of reminds
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: me like if Land was I eel sure, sure, and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the isid I and the wise ones were the same
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: thing as well, they were merged together, and like, yeah,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: so there's this the interesting culture and magic system and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: it's really good. But uh yeah, just the layers, the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: layers that Jordan puts in there almost without trying, almost
• 1:01:48
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• 1:02:37
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• 1:02:40
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• 1:02:42
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• 1:02:44
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• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:48
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• 1:03:01
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• 1:03:04
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• 1:03:06
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• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think the people can can stand
• 1:03:10
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• 1:03:14
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• 1:03:19
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• 1:03:23
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• 1:03:26
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• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: So we still seem happy with each other a year later,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: So that's going well. I suppose that's good.
• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:38
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• 1:03:40
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:42
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• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Corporation at an outdoor show, and if you know Thievery Corporation,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you know that was awesome. The band was super on fire.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I danced my butt off. It was great. It was great.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: We've both had a very good week.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, so my throat's a little more, uh croaky than normal,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: that's yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: My voice doesn't sound like I was screaming for three
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: hours straight at a literal goddess who was two feet
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: away from me.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I'm impressed. I'm impressed that you don't have any leftover scratchiness.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, my voice was fine. My feet which I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: expected to be tired, were fine, Like I just sailed
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: through that on Cloud nine and seriously, they were so
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: on fire. They were just the band was so tight
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and on fire. It was so good. Like it's one
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: thing to go to a show where people are talented,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: it's another thing when they are all thinking together and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: like you can just see them making decisions on the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: fly and having fun. And like half the show was
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: an encore. I swear it was. It was great.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: It's always fun when they like do more after.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then the dude came down with it
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: with the hand to the to the audience and all
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the hands were reaching up and I got to touch
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the guitarist. It was so cool. I never go up
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: to the front of the dance thing, and I just
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: had every possible experience you want to have up there
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: with none of the bad ones. It was Oh, it's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: just so good.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I can admit though, that Encore stressed me out. I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: wish bands just played a set and then left, because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: then I don't know how long I'm going to be. Like,
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  Speaker 2: even if I'm enjoying the band, I want to know
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: when they're going to finish. I have a hard time
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: not knowing when something's gonna end.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I do get frustrated with like if I scream loud enough,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: will you come back?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: And like that game back and forth is a little annoying.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm also like, if they
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: come back, I'm so happy that, Like I don't even
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: care what play with me.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: And then I knew I was gonna need an after
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: party after or something as long as we can stretch
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: this out, like sure, I'm not going home and going
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: to bed for many hours regardless of when you people finish,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: because that venu closed early and I was not ready
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: to be done celebrating.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Speaking of staying up later, my shift is changing slightly.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I'm going from just for a few months, I'm going
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: to a more middle of the day shift rather than
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: early morning shift, which means I have a hat to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: practice staying up late every night. So I've gone from
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: like I need to go to bed at eight thirty two.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I need to be able to stay up till one,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and so I've been stretching that out, and I have
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: to do that in one weekend. It's a long weekend,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: but I still have to do that in one weekend.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: So I've been trying to stay up later, somewhat unsuccessfully.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I made it till about ten thirty last night before
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I wanted to pass out. So my goal for tonight is, like,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: let's make it to eleven, maybe eleven thirty. I'll have
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: to do a very sleepy shift. I'll probably be very
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: sleepy at work next week for the first couple of days,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: and then after that I should be fine. But changing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: your schedule by six hours in a couple of days
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: is significant.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, daylight savings time already sucks, and that's just
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: one hour.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know, I'll pay for it, But
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I am looking forward to the changing shift. I think
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: that's going to be I'm just doing it for a
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: couple of months, and I think it'll be a nice
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: just refresher on my schedule to you know, been working
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: at this job now for almost four years three and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a half, I suppose it's more accurate. And yeah, it's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: just nice to chane. I've been working the same shift
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: the whole time, and it's nice to change things up
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: every once in a while.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the seasonal change. Equinox is like
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: two weeks from now, not even it's less than two
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: weeks and I am Now I've had my birthday. I'm like,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm ready for fall. Everyone backup summer.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for it to be fall. Now.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: It feels like fall now, it does. It feels like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: it's switched very quickly.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's yeah. That we got over half an
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: inch of rain on Saturday night slash Sunday morning. It's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it is the fall. Weather is coming,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm finally ready for it.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, speaking of a fall, do you want
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: to talk about I don't know how that relates to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the book whatsoever. I was going to try and do it, but.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I can't. I can't see how to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: connect my favorite season of all with these chapters. This
• 1:07:40
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