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The Bolt Report | 27 May · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: He's reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening, I'm James Macpherson filling in for Andrew Bolt.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Revelations Australia didn't have a single submarine to defend itself
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  Speaker 2: from attack for more than four years during the rud
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  Speaker 2: Gillard government. Soul asked Greg Sheridan if we're much better
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  Speaker 2: off now? ABC broadcaster and board member Laura Tingles bizarre rant.
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  Speaker 2: She's told a writers' festival that Australia is a racist
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  Speaker 2: country and the coalition is full of stupid ideas. So
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  Speaker 2: much for balance at the ABC. Plus r Harry and
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  Speaker 2: Meghan setting up a rival monarchy. But first, just when
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  Speaker 2: you thought the Albanese government couldn't possibly be any worse
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  Speaker 2: on border control, well the sun comes up again. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: another day, another revelation of rank government incompetence that puts
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  Speaker 2: the Australian community at risk from violent foreign born criminals.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, let me correct myself. I used to think
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  Speaker 2: the government was incompetent, but I'm increasingly thinking we're being
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  Speaker 2: put at risk not by government in competence, if only,
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  Speaker 2: but worse by this government's twisted ideology. After all, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a mistake that allowed a Sudanese born man with
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  Speaker 2: a string of convictions for violent and drug related offenses
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  Speaker 2: to remain in the country. The Australian newspaper reported he
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  Speaker 2: was allowed to remain in the country and I hope
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  Speaker 2: you're sitting down for this because he's self identified as Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and he played the didjury doo.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what the cultural call the left call cultural appropriation.
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  Speaker 2: The Sudanese man, who'd been in Australia fifteen years, was
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  Speaker 2: due to be deported back to Australia to Africa after
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  Speaker 2: convictions for knife crime, car theft, serious driving offenses, stalking
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  Speaker 2: and a violent attack on his partner, but the Administrative
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  Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal overturned the deportation order when they learned that
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  Speaker 2: the man's partner, the partner who has found guilty.
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  Speaker 3: Of attacking, was Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 2: In a written submission to the tribunal, he said, I
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  Speaker 2: self identify as an Aboriginal person and consider Australia to
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  Speaker 2: be my country. I've been accepted by the indigenous people
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  Speaker 2: of this country through its customs and tradition. In a
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  Speaker 2: smoking ceremony, I also learned a lot about Aboriginal culture,
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  Speaker 2: was taught how to paint Aboriginal art and have also
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  Speaker 2: played didgeridoo.
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  Speaker 3: In the past.
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  Speaker 2: Well that was all it took to convince the Administrative
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  Speaker 2: Appeals Tribunal.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's a violent Sudanese criminal who beats up
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  Speaker 2: on his partner, but then again, he can almost play
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  Speaker 2: the didgerido Let's keep him now that's a welcome to country.
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  Speaker 2: Or what about this case from October last year when
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  Speaker 2: a Cambodian born man with an extensive criminal history was
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  Speaker 2: allowed to stay in Australia after claiming that deportation would
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  Speaker 2: separate him from his Aboriginal partner and therefore, and again,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're sitting down split up an Aboriginal family. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: Monty Python couldn't have imagined this. The Cambodian man further
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  Speaker 2: argued that he'd been quote adopted by the Nungar community
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  Speaker 2: as an Aboriginal man.
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  Speaker 3: He convinced a tribunal.
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  Speaker 2: He should not be deported because he'd taken part in
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  Speaker 2: Nungar dancers and deporting him would rob his stepchildren, none
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  Speaker 2: of whom were biological from learning Aboriginal culture from him.
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  Speaker 2: The kids he'd claimed, had reached out to him while
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  Speaker 2: he was in jail to ask him questions about Nungar
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  Speaker 2: law and culture. According to the last census, there were fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty five Nungar people. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: how many of them were Cambodian, but the tribunal, well,
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  Speaker 2: they were convinced. After all, if we don't have Cambodian
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  Speaker 2: born criminals passing on their intimate knowledge of the Aboriginal
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  Speaker 2: dream time, well it's practically a genocide.
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  Speaker 3: And here's another example.
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  Speaker 2: A New Zealand man with a long criminal history including theft, burglary,
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  Speaker 2: firearms and drug offences and and a violent assault on
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  Speaker 2: his pregnant partner was allowed to stay here after successfully
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  Speaker 2: arguing that because he has two children to the Aboriginal
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  Speaker 2: woman he beat up, he is Aboriginal. He said an
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  Speaker 2: indigenous elder had certified him as a member of the
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  Speaker 2: yr to Yrta community, to which the tribunal replied in
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  Speaker 2: the man's native language, and I'm paraphrasing sweet asbro. Now,
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  Speaker 2: because you're a sensible person, you're probably starting to sense
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  Speaker 2: a pattern here. It seems pretty clear that aboriginality, or
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  Speaker 2: at least the most tenuous link to it. I play
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  Speaker 2: the didgerido and I painted it is now seen as
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  Speaker 2: a valid excuse for dangerous foreign nationals to remain in
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  Speaker 2: this country. And that's exactly what's happening. Tribunal member and
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  Speaker 2: former Labor Speaker of the House and A Burke said
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  Speaker 2: the Tribunal was simply following a directive from Immigration Minister
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Giles. See that's why I say, it's not by
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  Speaker 2: accident that dangerous criminals are being allowed to remain in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: It's liberate. It's not in competence.
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  Speaker 2: It's ideological, which might explain why Andrew Giles still has
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  Speaker 2: his job, because, according to this government's weird identity politics,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Giles seems to be doing his job. Giles, in
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  Speaker 2: a directive introduced in January last year, known as Direction
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine, told the Tribunal to give special leniency to
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  Speaker 2: foreign born criminals with links to Australia. A foreign national's
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  Speaker 2: ties to Australia were to be a primary consideration when
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  Speaker 2: assessing whether their visas should be canceled, so by implication,
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  Speaker 2: the safety and expectations of the Australian community were to
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  Speaker 2: be secondary considerations, and so Miss Burke said that while
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  Speaker 2: most people would consider such violent criminals had no right
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  Speaker 2: to stay in Australia, the Immigration Minister's direction clearly articulated
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  Speaker 2: that tolerance should be given to non citizens who had
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  Speaker 2: ties here. She said, and I quote the strength, nature
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  Speaker 2: and duration of ties to the Australian community and the
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  Speaker 2: best interests of minor children in Australia affected by the
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  Speaker 2: decision both ways strongly in favor of granting the visa.
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  Speaker 2: So a foreign born criminal in danger of being deported
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  Speaker 2: for beating up on his Aboriginal partner is saved by
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  Speaker 2: the fact the partner he beat up on was Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 2: All of this represents a disgusting betrayal. It's a betrayal
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  Speaker 2: of Aboriginal women, it's a betrayal of Aboriginal culture. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a betrayal of the government's most basic responsibility to
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  Speaker 2: keep the Australian community safe. And the worst part, it's
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  Speaker 2: not incompetence, it's a deliberate directive. But let me finish
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  Speaker 2: with this question. What's more offensive that Sudanese and Cambodian
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  Speaker 2: criminals are identifying as Aboriginal or that Andrew Giles is
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  Speaker 2: identifying as an immigration minister.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to go to a break, but stick around.
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  Speaker 3: After the break.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and his guest joined me on our pan.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's coming up in just a moment. Well, welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger
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  Speaker 2: and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy.
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  Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome. You would have heard me talking.
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  Speaker 2: About the fact that Andrew Giles is now allowing foreign
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  Speaker 2: born criminals to stay in the country based on tenuous
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  Speaker 2: links to aboriginality. Stephen, Andrew Giles has to have incriminating
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  Speaker 2: photos of the Prime Minister, doesn't he?
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  Speaker 3: How does he still have a job?
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  Speaker 4: Well, because the way you've represented it isn't actually factually accurate.
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  Speaker 4: The AAT is an independent statutory body made up with
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  Speaker 4: independent appointments, and yes there is this thing referred to
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  Speaker 4: as the ninety ninth direct Direction. But the job of
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  Speaker 4: the AAT is to make a judgment based on the
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  Speaker 4: facts of an individual case against these criteria. Now I
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  Speaker 4: don't agree with the judgments that have been made in
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  Speaker 4: a number of these cases. I think you know, spurious
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  Speaker 4: claims to association of aboriginality should have been tossed out.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that the actual members of the AAT
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  Speaker 4: who have made these decisions should be asked to explain themselves.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just don't accept I think to agree
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  Speaker 4: with many of your points. I don't accept that just
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  Speaker 4: because you make these furious claims that they should be
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  Speaker 4: treated seriously in a serious court of law like they
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  Speaker 4: have been.
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  Speaker 3: Michael, do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 5: Look, the AAT have to be influenced and were in
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  Speaker 5: fact influenced by Direction ninety nine, and they said so.
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  Speaker 5: If you look at the front page Estrange, they've quoted
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  Speaker 5: the AET member and you read Nick Cator's devastating article
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  Speaker 5: in the Ees today. Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Look mate, here's.
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  Speaker 5: The question, how is this guy still a minister? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I've been following politics since the nineteen sixties in this country.
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  Speaker 5: I've seen some bad ones in my time, some bad ministers.
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  Speaker 5: The worst ones were in the Whitlam government. But I've
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  Speaker 5: got to turn to you. I think Andrew Giles is
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  Speaker 5: probably the worst minister I've ever seen any government. Since
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  Speaker 5: the late nineteen sixties, when of my most consciousness of
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  Speaker 5: Australian politics arose this bloke is.
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  Speaker 3: Hopelessly out of his depth.
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  Speaker 5: He is unsympathetic to the views of ordinary Australians. He
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  Speaker 5: keeps making these decisions. He seems to be on the sidiers,
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  Speaker 5: on the side of the wrongdoer. Let me just put
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  Speaker 5: it that way repeatedly. And Albanize should have sacked this guy.
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  Speaker 5: And if he doesn't sack him, he'll certainly move him
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  Speaker 5: because he can't, he can't stay in this portfolio. But
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  Speaker 5: because he's a close fashional friend and ally of alban
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  Speaker 5: Albanize he doesn't want to sack him. But it's appalling,
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  Speaker 5: it's a disgrace and as I said, I think he's
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  Speaker 5: the worst minister I've ever seen in any government, state
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  Speaker 5: or federal in this country in the last fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: If former Prime Minister John Howard has pointed the finger
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  Speaker 2: at Anthony Albanezi for Australia's rising levels of anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 2: saying that he's failed to denounce in unequivocal terms the
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  Speaker 2: horror of the October seven attacks, Stephen, imagine you're a
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  Speaker 2: school teacher giving elban easier grade on how he's led
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  Speaker 2: the nation on this issue.
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  Speaker 3: What would you give him?
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  Speaker 4: Look I've been lucky enough to travel to Israel a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years ago with John Howard, and we had
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  Speaker 4: an excellent trip. We met many people, we had lots
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  Speaker 4: of public and private discussions, lots of conversation between ourselves,
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  Speaker 4: and it was an excellent trip. But I think John
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately just hasn't kept up with the facts on this one.
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  Speaker 4: It is demonstratable that the day after the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: gave an unambiguous, unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and what happened
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  Speaker 4: on the seventh, So I just think John Howard has
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately missed that part out of his reading, and the
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  Speaker 4: facts don't support what John has said. And I'm sorry
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  Speaker 4: for that. As I said, I had a great time
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  Speaker 4: spent one of a few days with John and Jeannette,
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  Speaker 4: But on this one he's just wrong, factually wrong, which
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  Speaker 4: is disappointing because now John Howard was a Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: that many Australians admire so.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of handling the issue of anti Semitism and
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  Speaker 2: the leadership that Elbenze has given just quickly, if you
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  Speaker 2: had to grade him, what would you give him?
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  Speaker 3: Would you give him an A?
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  Speaker 4: I think he's got to find a line between wanting
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  Speaker 4: to ensure that there's an absolute condemnation of antisemitism, and
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  Speaker 4: on every occasion that he's had to, he has, So
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  Speaker 4: I've give him an a and he's also got to
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  Speaker 4: also legitimately be critical of the path that the Israeli
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  Speaker 4: government again guard and he's not Robinson Caruso. You've got
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  Speaker 4: more than half of Israel wanting Netnyo who've gone. You've
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  Speaker 4: got Benny Gantz and the Auxili Defense Minister in this
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  Speaker 4: unity cabinet say you've got three weeks to tell us
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  Speaker 4: how we're getting out of this mess. Now we want
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  Speaker 4: to know what the exit path from this is. So
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  Speaker 4: across Israel, there is an enormous amount of desire for
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  Speaker 4: Netnahu to resign. And while the Prime Minister hasn't said that,
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  Speaker 4: I'll quite happily say I'm on the same side as
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  Speaker 4: Betty Camps, the Istralian Defense mister, and more than half
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  Speaker 4: the Israelian of the Israeli population in wanting Netnaho gone.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, how would you rate elth Andy Alberanese's leadership in
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  Speaker 2: the issue of anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 5: An E E E minus. Stephen shouldn't be disappointed in
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  Speaker 5: John Howard. Don't be disappointed, Stephen. John Howard was absolutely right.
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  Speaker 5: He was one hundred percent right. If Alberanizi James was
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  Speaker 5: so opposed to anti Semitism, why hasn't anyone in the
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  Speaker 5: left in Australia listening to him? What influences he had?
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  Speaker 5: Anti Semitism has risen since October seven in this country.
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  Speaker 5: No one's listened to Alberanizi. If he's such an influential person,
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  Speaker 5: he's a Prime minister, be spoken against it. No one's
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  Speaker 5: listening to him. Eve's about the right number. What should
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  Speaker 5: he have done? He should have run the heads of
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  Speaker 5: those universities, those hopelessly weak chancellors and vice chancellors, and
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  Speaker 5: demanded that they take action to have all these anti Jewish,
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  Speaker 5: these Jewish hatred signs taken down that that day, action
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  Speaker 5: to stop people yelling into Fata and from the river
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  Speaker 5: to the sea, these statements of Jewish hatred. He should
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  Speaker 5: have wrung the leaders of the Australian business community and said,
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  Speaker 5: I want a full statement from you people condemning anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 5: In the same way, by the way that the business
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  Speaker 5: community were falling over themselves to donate money to the voice.
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  Speaker 5: How many of these public companies, by the way of
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  Speaker 5: issued statements condemning anti Semitism. How many of these people
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  Speaker 5: have donated two million?
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  Speaker 3: How many?
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  Speaker 5: Zero? Where are these chancellors and vice chancells? Where's David thirty?
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  Speaker 5: David thirty was the head of Telson was and he's
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  Speaker 5: the chancellor at Sydney University. I haven't heard a peepe
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  Speaker 5: from you, David. I haven't heard a peepe from David Gonsky.
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  Speaker 5: Who's the chancellor of the unsw or my friend Julie Bishop,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, who's the chancellor of the A and U?
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  Speaker 5: Where are the people? Where are the university leadership? And
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  Speaker 5: where the business leadership? Jennifer Westercott and a few others
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  Speaker 5: that came out were good, But I'll tell you the
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  Speaker 5: main university's leadership has been disgraceful. No one is listening
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  Speaker 5: to Albanezi and why and why would they? He speaks
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  Speaker 5: out of both sides of his mouth, The statements he's made,
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  Speaker 5: the things he's done in relation to Israel, Palestine, unrefunding,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, taking refugees up to two thousand
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  Speaker 5: refugees from Gaza how many refugees of Egypt taken?
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  Speaker 3: Who right next door?
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  Speaker 5: Why are we taking refugees from Gaza? By the way,
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  Speaker 5: Egypt should be taking them, Jordan should be taking Lebanon, Syria,
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  Speaker 5: the countries that border Israel and the disputed territories. No,
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  Speaker 5: they've taken none. So let's be frank about Albinizi. He
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  Speaker 5: is not a friend of Israel. He is not a
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  Speaker 5: friend of the Jewish community. He's led his ministers run
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  Speaker 5: amuck and his members of parliament run a mac He's
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  Speaker 5: got that, Senator Fatima Payton. Need we say more?
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  Speaker 6: Mate?
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  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this Communications Minister Michelle Rowlins.
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  Speaker 2: She says the government wants to new hate speech laws
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  Speaker 2: that would make an offense to vilify people on the
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  Speaker 2: basis of race and religion. Ostensibly, she says this is
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  Speaker 2: to combat anti Semitism. It would also apply to gender
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  Speaker 2: and sexuality. But when asked on Sky News yesterday where
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  Speaker 2: the phrases like f the Jews, which was chanted on
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  Speaker 2: the steps of the Opera House after the October seven attacks,
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  Speaker 2: would be covered by her new hate speech laws, she said, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: That incident outside the opera house where people are yelling
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  Speaker 1: f the Jews, would that be subject to this sort
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  Speaker 1: of charge.
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  Speaker 7: Potentially, potentially, because if that satisfied the criteria for hate speech,
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  Speaker 7: then this would operate in any scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen, Meanwhile, we need new hate speech laws. We already
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  Speaker 2: have laws banning incitement. Why don't those laws get used?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Look, Chris Mends has done a great job in
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  Speaker 4: New South Wales. He's played a blinder on this, he's
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  Speaker 4: stood up, he's been absolutely clear, beclearly. Some of the
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  Speaker 4: other states, and at a federal level laws aren't tired enough.
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  Speaker 4: And I support what Michelle is trying to do. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that the need for these laws is clear,
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  Speaker 4: and I hope that there is a bipartisan position because
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  Speaker 4: we know what the Greens are going to do. They
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  Speaker 4: are fundamentally anti Semitic now to their core, to their rotten,
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  Speaker 4: rotten core. And what we want is labor and liberal
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  Speaker 4: to come together reaching agreement about what the words in
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  Speaker 4: the legislation say. So it's clear that the sort of
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  Speaker 4: language being talked about is captured.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this quickly, Stephen.
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  Speaker 2: There's now calls for Labor to say they will not
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  Speaker 2: exchange preferences with the Greens because of their anti Israel stance.
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  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's becoming harder and harder, given as
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  Speaker 4: I said, the Greens are rotten to the core and
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  Speaker 4: this issue they are promoting vile anti Semitism. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Labour took a principal stance around Pauline Hanson and her
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  Speaker 4: bigotry a long time ago and have continued it pretty
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  Speaker 4: much over the last twenty five years. Where they've put
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  Speaker 4: Hanson last accepted to someone even more extreme, they've put
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  Speaker 4: them further down. So I think it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a real challenge for Labor to, you know, to put
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  Speaker 4: the Greens in winnable places on.
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  Speaker 3: Tickets very quickly, just in a few seconds.
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  Speaker 5: Michael, Well, of course they shouldn't preference the Greens. And
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  Speaker 5: you look at to see like McNamara where you have
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  Speaker 5: Josh Burns, the Jewish Labor member who's been a great
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  Speaker 5: spokesman for his people. By the way, is Burns and
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  Speaker 5: the Labor Party in McNamara going to preference the Greens
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  Speaker 5: ahead of the Liberal Party because that's going to be
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  Speaker 5: a very tight vote in that seat. I would certainly
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  Speaker 5: hope not. Of course, Albanezi shouldn't have any truck with
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  Speaker 5: these people. The Greens have been disgusting and this is
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  Speaker 5: the hard left Jewish hatred rearing their ugly face, and
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  Speaker 5: that disgracefully yesterday on insiders by their leader and even
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  Speaker 5: declar how much a terrorist organization. Shame on him, Shame
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  Speaker 5: on the Greens. And let's hope Labor do the right
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  Speaker 5: thing morally and politically by preferencing the Greens last.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger and Stephen Conroy, thanks here time. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: it well to an embarrassing defense spungle. Now today it
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  Speaker 2: was revealed that Australia had almost no submarines available to
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  Speaker 2: defend itself for at least four years from two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and nine to twenty twelve during the rud Guillard governments.
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  Speaker 2: And when we did have subs in the water, we
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  Speaker 2: had hardly any personnel qualified to crewe them.
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  Speaker 3: But are we that much better off now? Joining me to.
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  Speaker 2: Discuss this is Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Greg,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. Almost no submarines for four years
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: at a time when China was aggressively expanding its navy.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Now we're only finding this out now a be because
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: we weren't invaded during those years, and b it was
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: top secret at the time, but.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: What on earth was going on?
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: Well, James, great to be with you. It's a fantastic
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: story by my colleague Cameron Stuart, but profoundly disturbing. It
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: illustrates what an absolute bipartisan mess defense has been in
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: Australia for decades. I mean, this unavailability was under rud
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: and Gillard, but it was created by the government which
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: preceded them. Our defense budget and policy is a joke.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: It is a sick joke.
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: Neither side of politics has taken charge of it and
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: run it properly. We've had a ludicrous turnover of defense ministers.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: We've got no continuity and no leadership from the political level.
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: Right now, we've got a part time Defense Minister who's
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: busy being Deputy Prime Minister and acting Prime Minister, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: we've got a halftime junior Minister for Defense Industry. So
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: defense runs itself, and of course it runs itself very badly.
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: I don't think there's a country in the world that
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: spends its defense dollars worse than we do. The Collins
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Class submarines, let's be clear, are our most potent weapon
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: in the entire Australian defense force. Insanely, we decided to
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: design and build our own submarines. We only built six
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: of them. By number six. We were not too bad
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: at building them. They had enormous teething problems which took
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: us years and years and years, decades really to get through.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: They finally became reasonably good submarines. So instead of just
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: building more of them so that you've actually got a
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: significant submarine capability, we've gone off into a series of
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: insane frolics. You know, the Japanese subs undertaining of it,
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: that would have been a good idea. They were then ditched,
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: the French subs, then they were ditched. Now the nuclear subs.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: We can't build a car any longer in this country.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: And yet the federal government tells us we're going to
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: build nuclear submarines in Adelaide and bases our entire defense
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: on that, and in the meantime we're cutting what other
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: small defense capabilities we have. We retired in Anzac. We're
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: not going to upgrade the ANZACs where it looks like
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: we're not going to properly up grade the Collins. We
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: abolish the fourth squadron of joint strike fighters. We're not
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: going to have a d mining fleet. We are the
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: most incompetently and worse defended country for our level of
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: wealth that you could possibly imagine. And the final thought
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: I'd leave you with is, at the time, of course
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: they didn't tell us naturally, it was a secret. That's
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: fair enough, but it just shows you you can't trust
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: anything defense ministers or defense tells you, because they certainly
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: have asked, would have said, oh, yes, yeah, we've got
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: six colin submarines. They're all steaming along brilliantly, and in
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: fact we had none. So you wonder from all the
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: happy talk from the Albanesi government today, what is the
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: reality behind the curtains?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So greg While we've got all this bungling here in Australia,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the Chinese military are practicing wardrills off the coast of Taiwan.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean they were practicing bombing raids. Now they do
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: these drills from time to time, but this one did
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: seem a lot more aggressive. Is this something that should
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: concern us more than the normal or is this just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: another typical drill that's used to intimidate Taiwan.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: Now that's a lot worse, James. Oddly enough, I have
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: a piece on this in Tomorrow's Australian in some detail,
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: and we had a great visit to this country the
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: last few days. General Steven Sklinker, the Deputy Pacific Commander
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: for the US, he says, absolutely clearly, these exercises are
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: more aggressive, more frequent, more assertive than they have been.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: And in fact, two years ago, two or three years ago,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: he says, they were unknown, whereas now the Chinese military
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: is practicing or virtually unknown. Now the Chinese military is
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: routinely practicing the things it would actually have to do
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: to blockade or invade Taiwan. It's constantly breaching Taiwan's air
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: defense identification zone, constantly breeding breaching the so called Median
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: line between China and Taiwan. It's massively building up its forces.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: And I ask in my piece, China looks out at
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: the world today. It sees a very weak US present,
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: very polarized US political debate, isolationism in both the Democratic
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: Party and the Republican Party. It sees that the West
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: can barely sustain even a non military commitment in Ukraine.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: It sees that the West has gone from supporting Israel
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: to beating up on Israel within eight months of this
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: shocking terrorist attack, and it may well calculate that the
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: correlation of forces doesn't get much better than it is now,
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: and it may well take a big action on Taiwan.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: Might not be an invasion, might be a blockade or
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: something else. Now there's no guarantee that's going to happen,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: but these exercises show that China is giving itself that capability,
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: and it's signaling an intent with a desire to intimidate
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: everybody else. Of course, we should therefore be building up
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: our own military forces so that we can, with the Americans,
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: provide and the Japanese a proper regional to terrence instead
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: of which we are a ball wishing military capabilities hand
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: over fist on the basis that we're going to get
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: an orcast submarine in about one hundred years time. These
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: exercises should concern us gravely and sadly we're fast asleep
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: while we should be wide awake.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Greg we'll look out for that article in Tomorrow's Australian,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: just in.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: The time we've got left.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: A couple of days ago, the International Court of Justice
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: ordered Israel not to attack Rafa, and now today Hamas
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: launched rockets from Rafa at residential areas in Tel Aviv.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: That kind of demonstrates why Israel might need to ignore
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the armchair experts and go into Rafa, doesn't it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: I think there are some problems with the way Israel
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: has conducted the war. I would say, not really so
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: much from the humanitarian level. Just I think it's been
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: ill advised to let it go on this long. The
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: International Court of Justice, it's quite reasonable what you said, James,
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: but actually the nuance of what they actually said is
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: quite a bit different. They didn't order Israel not to
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: attack Hamas in Gaza anymore. They said you must not
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: take actions which could be construed as leading to genocide,
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: or which disproportionately harm civilians and so forth. So and
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: mind you, they don't make these kinds of judgments about
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: anyone else. Both the International Court of Justice and the
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: International Criminal Court are completely fascical bodies. They're not legal bodies.
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: They're political bodies, and they're designed partly to delegitimize Israel.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: But I think Israel has also just finished on this point,
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: failed to come up with what post conflict governance in
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: Gaza should like look like so Hummas is now attacking
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Israel from some areas where Israel had formally cleared Hamas.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: So I'm not in the end of Israel brigade, not
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: a bit a million miles the other way. But i
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: do think there are very significant operational and policy challenges
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: for Israel and this circumstance the ICJ is not quite
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: as categorical as it's being reported.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, really appreciate your time and we'll look out
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: for your article in Tomorrow's Australian.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Well plenty more to come up next.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: The ABC's bias on full display again as board member
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: law A Tingles slams Australia as being a racist country.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: My panel joins me to discuss that and more in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a moment.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: More than a thousand Pentecostal churches across Australia use their
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Sunday services at the weekend to talk about the growing
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: threat to religious freedom. Christians are increasingly worried that a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: long promised bill to protect their rights won't ever eventuate,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: or worse, that the Albanezi government will produce a bill
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: but it will diminish religious freedom rather than protect it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Joining me to discuss this is former lawyer now Pentecostal
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: pastor Mark Edwards, who represents the Australian Christian Churches with
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a membership of almost half a million people on this issue.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: The Religious Discrimination Bill was originally promised back in twenty
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: seventeen by Malcolm Turnbull to assuage fears that same sex
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: marriage wouldn't limit the rights of Christians to believe or
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: teach according to their faith. Same sex marriage has been
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: law for the better part of a decade, but Christians
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: are still waiting for the protections they were promised. So
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: let me ask you this why the protections needed.
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: Well, James, as you're well aware, our nation has very
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: detailed and robust legislation in relation to age, sex, disability
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: and race, and sometimes that legislation butts up against people's
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: religious beliefs. So what we're asking for is that people
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: of faith need some protection. They need protection to believe,
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: but not just believe, but also to speak and act
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: upon their faith. Now, we can't turn off our faith,
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: just off and on or when we are within the
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: four walls.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Of a church.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: We need it beyond on that, and there are no
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: physical boundaries to our faith. So what people of faith
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: are asking for is simply this is that that legislation
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: not only incorporate what happens in a place of worship,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: but also at work on the sporting fields, and it
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: must exist beyond those just the church or a mosque
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: or a synagogue.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: So we need that legislation.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Now, now you've been involved in closed or discussions with
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the government and the opposition about a bill, what specifically
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: are you looking for.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: Well, you can imagine, James, that any religious discrimination legislation,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: particularly federal legislation, is going to be very detailed. But
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: in essence, I could say there were three very essential
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: things that faith based groups are asking for. The first
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: one is simply this protection for individuals and religious bodies
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: to act in accordance with.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Their religious beliefs.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's an essential religious freedom, it's an ascension
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: essential human human right. Really, it's in fact the oldest,
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: one of the oldest human rights. But secondly, I think
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: we need the freedom to use places of worship in
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: accordance with the religious beliefs and practices of the faith
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: groups that operates that particular place of worship.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: And then lastly, and as I said, that's by no
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: means least.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: But lastly, faith based schools need the ability to preference
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: staff being employed on the basis of the school's tenets
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: of faith.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: Those are three really essential.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: Things that we require in that religious discrimination bill.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Let me come to that one in a moment, but
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I just want to go back. You mentioned the ability
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: for faith based groups to use venues for worship.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Is that under threat at the moment?
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Well, I just think it needs to be legislated.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, remember, we've got an international convention which sets
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: out freedom of religion in great detail. Australia is a
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: signatory to that international convention. Let's put those particular provisions
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: in Australian legislation.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Let's make it clear. Let's leave no doubt.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: That people can operate in a place of worship but
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: also have that place of worship for their particular religious
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: beliefs of that particular organization.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Let's clear it up.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So you're referring there to this suggestion that perhaps if
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: a church was using a rented facility and the owners
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of that facility didn't like some of the things that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: were being said, they disagreed with church's view on sexuality
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: or on gender, that they could then evict the church
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: from that venue. So you're looking for safeguards that could
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: not happen. Is that what you're.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Saying, Absolutely, places of worship need to be operating in
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: accordance with the religious beliefs and practices of the faith
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: group in that particular building.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: And you know, people of faith, James, they're not going
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: to go. We have no.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Intention of vilifying, no intention of making these terrible statements
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: against our fellow human beings.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: We actually believe in the principle of loving our neighbor.
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: So what I'm saying is give us those protections, allow
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: us to have our religion practiced freely.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: That's what we want.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's the criticism, especially when it comes to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Christian schools, that some people say, well, look, religious people
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: are just looking for a way to discriminate against gay
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: students and gay teachers.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: What do you say to that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Well, I say two things very clearly. First of all,
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: that this is not an issue of gender or sexuality.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: And secondly, it's not discrimination. This is association.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: So every organization should have the right to preference an
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: employee who is going to support the tenets of faith
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: and belief of that organization.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Now, in this case, it's a faith based school.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: So we want is the ability to employ staff that
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: are going to actually agree with the tenets of faith
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: of the faith based school. James, the Liberal Party wouldn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: employ someone who's a member of the Labor Party. The
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: Labor Party wouldn't employ someone who's a member of the
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: Liberal Party. Let's take it a step further. A CEO
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: being interviewed for a position in a major company would
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: never be employed by that organization that company if they
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: did not believe in the values, the product, the way
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: that company operates, it just wouldn't exist. So what we're
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: asking for is simply that faith groups have that right
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: to preference staff who have the same preference views as
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: the faith group. So it's not discrimination, it's association.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Make very quickly, I've got to go to my panel,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but I want to ask you this. Obviously, there's going
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to be an election sometime in the next twelve months.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: The government surely won't want this on their agenda in
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the lead up to an a lie, do you really
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: think we're going to get the religious discrimination bill this term.
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: I'm really hopeful James, that the Attorney General and the
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: Shadow Attorney General. They already indicated that they are going
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: to meet and they're going to try to have a
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: bipartisan approach to this, and faith groups have had enormous
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: input into the legislation. So I'm really still hoping that
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: the Attorney General, the Shadow Attorney General, they're going to
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: come up with a bias partisan approach and it can
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: go through the parliament.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Parliament in that unified position.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I certainly hope so, Pastor Mark Edwards, thanks for joining me,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Well, now to the latest controversy in golfing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: The taxpayer funded broadcaster Laura Tingle, ABC board member and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: political correspondent for the broadcaster's flagship seven thirty program has
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: launched a bizarre rant in which he claimed Australia is
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a racist country now. She made the comments during a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: panel discussion at the Sydney Writer's Festival, which, as most
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of us know, is a collection point for left wing tears.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: She also offered up some strong criticism of Peter Dutton
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and his newly announced housing policy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Here she is for a.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: Major political leaders be saying, as Nicky says, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: everything that's going wrong in this country is because of
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: migrants and you know, I had sudden flash of people
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: turning up to try to rent a property or at
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: an auction and they look a bit different. What have
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: you defined different as that? Basically he has given them
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: license to be abused. I mean, we are a racist
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: cultul it's face that we always have been and it's
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: very decreasing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Not exactly the free of bias impartiality we were promised
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: by Kim Williams when he took on the role of
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: ABC chairman at the start of the year.
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: I think at the core of all journalism at the
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: ABC is the imperative of being absolutely, verifiably independent, offering
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: at all times true journalists integrity.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Now there's been no comment on Laura Tingle's rant from
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the ABC chairman, but shadow Indigenous Affairs ministers just senter
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the Timber Price gave her a good whack.
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: I'm really disappointed in this continued narrative that is being
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: pushed within our country that does not provide any sense
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: of pride. It absolutely creates division and we had enough
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: of it during the referendum. And leading journalists, well supposedly
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: leading journalists like Laura Tingle, should know better than to
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: use that sort of red trick.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in the panel IPA Deputy executive director
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde and history lecturer Stephen Shverra, co author of
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: The Forgotten Menzies.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Daniel, let me go to you. Are we a racist country?
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: We're not a racist country, James, And this tells you
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: everything you need to know about the ABC.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: You know it, could it be further from the truth.
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: Center of Australians voted no to the Voice to Parliament
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: which was proposed to insert race into our constitution and
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: as Senator Price just said, would have divided our nation.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: I saw that Tanya Plipersek was on the media earlier
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: today and if she rejected the ABC's claims that we're
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: a racist country, saying quite rightly that her parents came
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: here after World War Two as migrants and were able
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: to build a better life for themselves. And that's the
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: experience of millions of migrants who have come to our
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: assores and look mainstream Australians have just had an absolute
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: gutfull of these elites, whether they're in the media or
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: in the corporates or in the sporty bodies who keep
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: the writing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Our nation as racist.
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: It's time for them to move beyond that and to
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: understand that our nation is based on egalitarianism and tolerance
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: and fairness, because that's what Australians believe.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Well, Stephen, this brings you to the concerns about ABC
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: bias and especially the fact we as taxpayers, we're lining
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Laura Tingle's pocket for her to turn around and brand
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: us all racists.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: That's right, and this is just demonstrative the ABC's contempt
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: for the ordinary Australian. Because I would like to ask
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: miss Tingle this is she confessing to being a racist?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Is she accusing her family of being racist? Is she
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: accusing her colleagues at the ABC of being racist?
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: No, she's not.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: She's talking about ordinary Australians who actually live with a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: lot of these migrants. This is her basket of deplorable's
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: moment and it's just typical of the ABC's contempt for
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  Speaker 1: everyday Australians.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your point is well made. All Australians
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: are racist, other than those at the Sydney Writers' Festivals obviously. Now,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Laura Tingle wasn't the only one to rent and rave
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: at the Writer's Festival. Ticket Holders were also treated to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: a tirade from the Guardian's political reporter Amy Ramescus. Now
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to huge applause, she told the audience that if they
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: didn't vote appropriately at the next election, quote, I will
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: come to every single way one of your houses and
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: yell out over your kitchen tables, because, for God's sake,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: this is the only thing that matters now. Ramascus also
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: had to go at Dutton over his nuclear energy policy,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: calling it a dead cat, and then for good measure,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: she told the audience that passengers aboard a recent Singapore
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Airlines flight that encountered turbulence were victims of climate change. Daniel,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: this writer's festival is of course funded by taxpayers partly
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: at least, why are we paying for this?
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  Speaker 12: Well, that's a good question, James, Where do you start
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: with all of that? I mean, the most interesting part
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: to me was about the so called energy transition and
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: Amy's claim that this push for nuclear is just to
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: stop renewable for being rolled out. Well, the transition is
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: not happening. It's not working. I'm talking to you from Mudgie,
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: James Will. We've been talking to local farmers and landowners
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: in it around the area, such as Wellington, where there's
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: these wind turbines and solar panels that are dividing the
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: commun They're ruining prime agricultural farm land, which is a
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: threat to our food security. It's pitted neighbor against neighbor.
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: We've heard from locals about how these rapacious renewable energy
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: companies are coming onto their land without permission. They're given
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: false information under false pretenses. AB needs to come out
• 39:17
  Speaker 12: here and to other parts of regional Australia that are
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: bearing the brunt of the so called energy transition. All
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: you have to do is look at your energy bills
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: to understand that net zero doesn't work. Even the New
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: South Wales Labor government have admitted it doesn't work by
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: handing out tax paid dollars to keep the coal fire
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: power stations open. So you know, let's have a property
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: may come out into the regions and talk to the
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: people who know about it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Well, Stephen, all of this exposes the broader problem. It's
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: not just the ABC, is it. Mainstream media has incredible bias.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Although Anthony Albinissi of course had a win saying that
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: some sections of the media are cheerleading for the coalition,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: but typically that's not the case.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Not at all. In fact, when she said she'll come
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: over to our houses, so it's sort of she's just
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: been watching Artie Jack or something like that. That sort
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of reminded me of that. But when she talks about
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: holding politicians to account, what she doesn't mean, for example,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is holding them to account on immigration policy, because if
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you do that, you're a racist. Not holding them to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: account on suicidal energy policies, not account on that, holding
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: them to accounts on support of Palestine over Israel, nothing
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like that. It's holding them to account on a left
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: wing ideology that most journalists themselves don't hold to account
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: They just accept.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Well let me ask you about American politics just for
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a second. Hillary Clinton is still crying over her twenty
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: sixteen election loss. She's blamed Russia, She's blamed the FBI,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: she's blamed misogyny, she's blamed the media, and now, can
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you believe it, she's blaming women. Hillary has said women
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: were to blame for her defeat, claiming they abandoned her
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: for not being perfect. She told The Times, they left
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: me because they just couldn't take a risk on me
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: because as a.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Woman, I'm supposed to be perfect.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: They were willing to take a risk on Trump because
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: he was a man, and they could envisage a man
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: as president and commander in chief. Daniel, the twenty sixteen
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: election was eight long years ago. What's wrong with Hillary Clinton?
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: Well, it's just an excuse after excuse, and to me,
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: it shows a lot about the elites, James, which is
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: that they're not interested in trying to understand or learn
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: about why Trump won. There's millions of Americans who are
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: unhappy with the political establishment, both the traditional Republican and
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: Democrat establishment. Many have been left behind by economic policies,
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: social policies, immigration policies, energy policies, and foreign policy. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: Trump provided an alternative. And as you know, many Democrats
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: decided to vote for Trump for the first time on
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: that basis. So, look, the elites need to spend less
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: time coming up with excuses why they lost, and more
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: time trying to understand the ordinary citizens of their country
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: to learn about what's happening on the ground.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Points Stephen.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: These claims from Hillary Clinton, she made them well, promoting
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a novel that she's written.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It's called terror State. Who's going to read a novel
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: by Hillary Clinton?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Probably not even Bill, I would imagine, Yeah, I mean Hillary.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Why did Hillary lose? Because Hillary is not an ordinary woman.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: She can connect very well with elites. She found it
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: impossible to connect with just ordinary people, male and female.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And her crimes were committed while she was in office.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I mean all of Trump's sins were committed outside of office.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He'd never been in office. People knew that she had
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: done illegal things. And there was also the question of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and several very credible rape allegations against him.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Women paid attention to all of this, and to again
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: allegations of his alleged victims against her for trying to
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: silence them. She could not connect with the ordinary person
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: or the woman, and that's why she lost.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Well, she's still crying about it, and I dare say
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: eight years from now she'll still be crying. Steven Shavera,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Daniel Wilde, thanks for your time. Well, I'll stick around
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: because after the break we head to the UK, where
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Rishi Sunac announces he will introduce mandatory service
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: for eighteen year olds, but will it help him win
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the election?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Esther Crako joins me.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Next, Well, let's have over to the UK now, where
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is desperately battling to turn around
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: his political fortunes ahead of an election on July fourth,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: amid tanking polls for the Conservative Party, and all of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: this has apparently prompted Sunak's latest proclamation that his party
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: would reintroduce mandatory service conscription for eighteen year olds if
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: return to power.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Here he is.
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: Britain today faces a future that is more dangerous and
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: more divided. There's no doubt how democratic values are under threat.
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: That is why we will reduce a bold new model
• 44:01
  Speaker 13: of national service for eighteen year olds to be spent
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: either in a competitive full time military commission over twelve months,
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: or with one weekend per month volunteering in roles within
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: the community.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Well joining me to discuss the latest from the uk
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: IS writer and broadcaster is the Krekhu.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: It's the welcome. What's the national mood on conscription?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine this being a particularly popular move.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Is it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: It's a bit of a mixed bag because clearly this
• 44:30
  Speaker 14: is not appealing to the eighteen year olds who are
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: going to have to give up a weekend a month
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: to volunteer in the community. Certainly not, But the Rishi
• 44:36
  Speaker 14: Sunac is hoping to appeal to older voters, particularly pensioners,
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: that have always been kind of, you know, the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Conservatives strong stronghold.
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: The problem that you have now is that conscription, well
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: national service, was abolished in the UK nineteen sixty, so
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: you have basically two generations of people that have never
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: even seen anything like that, and Richie Sunac's idea of
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: trying to get young people out of their whole and
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: really kind of reintegrated into the national communities missing the
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: point of the actual concerns of young people. Young people
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: are concerned about the fact that they can't afford a
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: home or start a family, or that high levels of
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: immigration have depressed their wages. These are the kinds of
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: things that are you know, mostly concerning young voters. This
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: is what it's affecting their ability to have a stake
• 45:19
  Speaker 14: in society. You're asking them to give more when when
• 45:22
  Speaker 14: the government and successive governments have basically taken more and
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: more from them. You know, the interest rates alone on
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: paying back your student loans are ridiculous and most people
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: have to make at least sixty thousand pounds a year
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: to even cover the interest, let alone actually paying back
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: the loan. So you young people have legitimate grievances, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: you know, for people like Richie sunac't want to ask
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: them for more is a bit infuriating for them. I mean,
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: you know, people like Richie Sunac. We should have been
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: the adults in the room and not have allowed other
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: crazy adults to tell young people they can change genders
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: and mutilate their genitals and do all these things. They
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: weren't able to rain them back, but they're actually they're
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: now saying that they can do more for them by
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: by asking them to give up more of their time
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: for their country that they feel have failed them.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see if it's a vote winner. Hey,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about blasphemy laws in the UK.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty one, a high school teacher was
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: suspended from his job for showing a satirical cartoon of
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Muhammad during a discussion on religion. But being suspended wasn't
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the worst of it. He and his family received numerous
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: death threats, and three years later they're still in hiding. Now,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the government is proposing laws to protect school teachers from
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: losing their careers and potentially their lives, for the sin
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of blasphemy. What on earth is going on in the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: UK that we need these kind of laws.
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: Well, it's been revealed that teachers have no protection against
• 46:40
  Speaker 14: things that might offend certain parents. Religious education is you
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: have to studyligious education up until I believe year nine,
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: But how can teachers teach that when you have certain
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: communities that feel, like, you know, things that don't conform
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: to what they believe is the appropriate line makes teachers
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: feel basically threatened and have to basically run out of
• 46:59
  Speaker 14: their jobs. It is notable to say that it's people
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: of certain faiths that seem to get the most riled up.
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: So you don't see incidents like this involving Christians or
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: Jews or even Seeks, but you know, it tends to
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: be kind of poorly integrated, mainly Muslim and sometimes Hindu
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: communities in the UK that feel the need to hound
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: out teachers that say things they feel are offensive to
• 47:17
  Speaker 14: their religion. So teachers do need that kind of protection,
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: and it's unfortunately that it's come this late and a
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: teacher had to be made an example of. But thankfully,
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: thankfully the government is finally getting on it. But it
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: just shows the state, the poor state of integration and
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: subscription to British values that we're currently in right now.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Right very quickly, before we go, I want to ask
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you about Harry and Meghan. Now, they just did a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: tour of Nigeria. Apparently other African nations are inviting them
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: to come visit as well, and Charles is worried they
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: might be setting up a rival monarchy. Do you think
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: there's anything to this and is that what Harry and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Meghan see is their next move?
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Not really?
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: I mean the question is what excuse will they have?
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: So the country that we hear are trying to court
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: them is Ghana, which is my home country. But Ghana
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: doesn't send veterans to the Invictus game, So what would
• 48:02
  Speaker 14: be excuse of having Harry and Meghan there? Is Megan
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: going to say that she's now fifty percent gone in
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: of gone in heritage? I mean, the question is if
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: they're going to do that, because this is really as
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: good as it gets for them, how are they going
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: to do it in what capacity? And how many countries
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: would be willing to invite them and potentially offend the
• 48:17
  Speaker 14: royal family.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, est, I've got to cut you off.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: We've just run out of time, but I appreciate it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Well, that's it from me. I'll
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: be back on Wednesday night. Make sure you're tune in
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: tomorrow at seven pm as Josh Fridenberg presents a special
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Sky News documentary Never Again, the Fight against Anti Semitism,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But up right now is Sharry Markson