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Heels Find Hokies Achilles · Boundary Corner Podcast

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We're almost gave up drinking. I could bang the three and I
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ain't even started exercise. Welcome back to the boundary
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Corner podcast. My name is Curtis Wilson along
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with my co-host bronzy glow. Hey buddy, I almost gave up
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drinking but then the game happened today.
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Jesus did that game where the I definitely went full fat kid
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mode in like 8 and drink my feelings after that game.
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Rough game and pokies. Fall to the Tar, Heels 56:45.
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We're drinking our feelings away with drinking till we don't feel
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feelings anymore. I'm holding a mother, Sam Adams
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Boston, Lager Brian's probably, would you pick up tonight,
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Brett, the brick wrecking Bachmann been rolling.
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The brecon böck crime Squad and Bach.
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It's after midnight. The Highlight just came on
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SportsCenter about two minutes before we hit record.
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And so, even more freaking ain't little salt in the wound there,
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this salting like we're sitting here talking through the stuff
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anyway. And it's like, oh, here it is
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again, right in the side. So guys, you know, 56:45 in one,
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just kind of wild crazy game. We're going to hit some few
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things here tonight. Looking at tape looking at some
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breakdowns Galahad a stop in the middle of the game and head over
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to a kid's birthday party. But I think he was able to come
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back, get enough of the viewings, unfortunately, of the
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remaining parts of the second half he missed, it wasn't scored
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some points in that they can happen.
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Wow, I mean, yeah, everyone points to use those.
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I mean, if I told you, we put a 45 and 260 on the ground.
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Hell we're probably thinking shit lie.
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Ali won this game, but I thought that was a 10 point win, but no,
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a laugh. Let's hit it up, Brian.
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Let's get it rolling. Let's start with the what you
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said you wanted to focus on Virginia Tech's defense today
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and let us start with this. Brian coming in you and he was
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rushing for 168 yards, a game, that's not bad, pretty good them
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sumbitches, tripled that up. Pretty much today.
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Yes yeah not good at all the one-two punch of Williams and
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Michael Carter-Williams with 169 yards on the ground quarter with
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214 and Brian. We've been going back and forth.
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What the hell happened to our linebacker Corps today?
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Man, I was watching the game. I went back and watched some
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tape later, man, the linebackers play, probably the worst game
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I've seen them play Since since stuff.
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So, I've watched this unit play together.
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You know, Richard Ashby didn't have a great game Dax.
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Hollifield had a horrible game, Alan Tisdale was Good in spots
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and bad and spots. And it was just bad all around
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man. They played timid.
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They got bad reads and they did not tackle.
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Well. I like that's the trifecta right
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there. Like what three things?
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Well, maybe it's a different outcome, right?
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If you've been at least tackle, which is one thing we emphasize
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they needed to do in this game if we wanted to win, if you at
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least a car while you probably take maybe 10 points off the
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board. They're so in that that might
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have been enough to, to pull out a victory, or at least have a
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chance there at the end. But damn, dude, we did not do
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it. I mean, it was, it was, it was
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bad. It really showed the lack of
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athleticism that we have at the linebacker position, they were
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up on us at the second level pretty much.
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Every time they ran the ball, Like even when we did the right
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thing that they were getting five and six yard games and the
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running game, like it was, it was bad, but it was as bad as
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I've seen our run rush defense ever, why don't you send me
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some, some screenshots? And some of them it just looked
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like we were taking just horrible steps.
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Like, you know, one of the ones you sent me on was Tisdale
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essentially flowing back up to Brooks position.
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And what does that was? That huge run that massive what?
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40? 50 yard, run?
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Yes, 40-yard running Williams, got nudged out on the sidelines.
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I think the Run started at about the 20 and then they ended up on
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the other side like 38 yard line.
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So I mean it was it was a big run and you know what happened
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was kind of kind of simple there.
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So, you know you had Tisdale that got a bad read ended up
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about one gallon Gap further to the to the right of the
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formation. And he should have been and that
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left a big hole and then Matheny was a little late with the plug
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missed the tackle. And all of a sudden, you got
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this huge gain down the sideline, which if Tisdale made
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the raid read, he's probably there to assist Matheny making
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that play in The Gap. Instead of chasing the play, I
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mean, Tisdale got got blocked and he blocked wrote for me.
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Never pursue their because the guy that was supposed to blog
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work ended up blocking Tisdale on that play to the when you
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talked about it, if he steps into that Gap, the running back
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in either face them head-on because the way that the way
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that run was blocked, he would have been unblocked in the Gap.
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Yeah. I mean, it's the guy can't hit
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him and take the two or three yard game, Mort's.
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The hump. And we see any constitute a man?
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No, they were getting to their spot when they wanted to just
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about every play and that like I said, we talked about it a
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couple weeks ago like when when you're able to get to your spot
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as a running back that gives you options and what you can do with
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the cutbacks or getting up the alley like you at least have
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options and we gave them options all day.
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They were able to get to the second level and kind of pick
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their poison with based on what was left in the back end.
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And when you couple that with not tackling well across the
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board but especially if the linebacking position is trouble,
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man, it's a big, big clusterfuck of a mess.
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Let me ask you, is to go, just going forward because we're
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going to hit a couple other things here.
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The problem you call it a day, are they?
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Fixable they are fixable but it's going to take.
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I think if we play another Elite level team that has this effort,
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This is woman, runs this type of offense and has Lyman that can
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push around our defensive tackles a little bit.
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We're going to still struggle because I don't think we have
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enough athleticism at the linebacking position to kind of
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offset some of those shortcomings.
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Now, I think if you had Devon Diablo and Kiante Jenkins in the
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game, I think some of that gets cleaned up on the back end but I
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Think we're in till we kind of get better Personnel on the
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defensive tackle area that can kind of occupy space and not get
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moved out of the Gap like because it's definitely a it
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trickles kind of up to the different levels.
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I think our defensive tackles did a good job of shooting the
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gaps. The problem with that is that
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with the way they're running the RPO and how efficient they were,
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they were getting rid of the ball, so shooting the gaps
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didn't really benefit us in the the pass Rush game.
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And because of what they were, they were getting so much
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movement with the on the defensive tackles.
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So I think guards were getting down blocks, and they were just
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moving those defensive tackles out of the Gap.
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So even though they were in the right place, the Gap was getting
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mu. That means the holes getting
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wider something into. Guys, I love Matheny because the
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guy plays with hard, he tries his hardest but he still a third
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string. Walk on, let me ask you this,
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I'm going to move this up. Up a couple rungs on our
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rundown. How many, how many points do you
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think have in kyanka, and Deedee would have made a day?
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How many points walked by 11:00, would it have been just two or
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three? I think they say would touch
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down because there's a couple places where I think Diablo
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would have been in there. Making the tackle Matheny,
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missed a couple at the. I think a couple he was late
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getting his film which meant that the running back could
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stick it. Of the dirt, widen his angle and
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get to the sideline instead of having to getting getting met
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kind of right in the hole that, you know, we're dividing or
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Jenkins would have filled their. So there's definitely areas
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where we would have got been better with those guys in the
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game. But at the same time it would
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have been. We distill given up a lot of
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points because it was kind of a weird have been dealing more
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with a death by a Thousand Cuts than You know some of those big
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cashing runs and ended up going for touchdowns are going for 30,
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40 yard gains. All right.
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Well I hear that that that makes me think different because when
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you're not gassing, the more plays a team has to run the more
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chance that areas, the more chance that incompletions the
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more chance. It good things happening for the
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Hokies. So now let me let me ask this
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next tomorrow Connor gets hit with the targeting objection so
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we won't listen next week, thank goodness.
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But how big did that hurt us? Especially in the running it
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because it was very early, it was very early in the first
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quarter. It was one of those.
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This is where I think you feel Collegiate needs to adjust
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because how was up, when essentially Shamari was coming,
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and then with where, how went how tomorrow his head was, he
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gets injected how much of not having him?
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Do you think affected the Run game throughout the day?
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It definitely hurting the Run game especially as the game wore
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on. I mean, we were Already thin at
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those positions coming in because of the two big guys
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being out. And you know, some of the other
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guys that we had at that play quarterback, you know, not being
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in. So, we were already thin there
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and we got obviously thinner once once.
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Connor went went out with the ejection there and that would
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have helped in the Run game honestly, and they were good in
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the Run game before he left, but they were actually taking more
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advantage of Connor in the past game.
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When he was still in the game and I think we ended up getting
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a little better at that because we ended up.
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I think as the game wore on we actually move water into nickel
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and let him kind of run run that and I think that shirt that
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short up some of the things they were doing in the past game but
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we just kept getting gashed in the Run game and Connor would
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have definitely made a difference there.
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I'd like I said, I don't know if some of that yardage would have
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ended up being kind of short passing, you know, more that our
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Oh, stuff, where they were going to some quick outs and things
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like that, that they were taking advantage of early on in the
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first half, but, you know, it's really hard to say but it
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definitely hurt from a run game perspective, no, doubt Italy.
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And I mean, when you look at the Run game, it was nine point
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three yards per carry. I mean, your to give up that
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much and to fight back the way the team fought back to lose by
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11:00. It's Ana Testament.
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You know, we're going to probably as we get into this.
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We're probably gonna To torch the coaching staff a little bit
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because it's on them. But the guys never quit like
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this. This is the question because I
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made a note here as you were talking about it.
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You mentioned Brooke didn't have his best, Tisdale was good and
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bad. You mentioned Dax was horrible.
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What should back Molly Fields role on this team?
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Be, he needs to be a guy that's coming into spell Tisdale or
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row. He doesn't need to be a
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Frontline guy anymore. I think we've seen everything
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that Dax is going to give us at this point and I think we've
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kind of seen that for a while, man.
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I mean he's he's kind of piqued. He picked her early and I think
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people kind of expected more of a steady upward trajectory.
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Curry with his game and we just haven't seen that.
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We've seen more or less the same player we saw in 2018, just with
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a little more leadership skills that he's been playing out of
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position and Backer instead of the mic.
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You think that's had heard his progression that they're asking
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him to do things to me. He can't do.
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But when you only have a couple options there, you've got to do
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it. I think if we would have been
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smart, we would have went ahead and said, once Tisdale came on
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and played the way he did, the back half, say Dax you're inside
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your Mike, you're going to backup Rook.
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You're going to come in and we'll maybe put you out there on
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the outside in certain situations or for playing a
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team. That's very, very much, a kind
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of between the tackles traditional, run style, not this
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RPO and read option because he does, he does pretty good when
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You kind of get a good read and get down hill and make a play.
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But when he has to think it becomes problematic, he was out
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of position a lot in the game today.
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When he was in position he was missing tackles when he was in
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position to potentially make a play, he was getting blocked by
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even dad's Newsom. Like come on man.
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He pounds Dex is six foot three and a half 235 pounds.
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He should not be getting even, great technique not be getting
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blocked. If you tell me that, you know,
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he he stopped the momentum. Yeah, that that means that
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Newsom is working on his, you know, blocking skills, you're
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telling me. He's just wiping them out.
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And tells me somebody's essentially, not listening and
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understanding leverage and what he needs to do to get to the
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right point. Yeah, but it was just, it was
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ugly across the board. I think, I mean, obviously we're
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going to talk about coaching a little bit here and I mean, it's
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so difficult to determine how much of this is coaching and
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calling, and how much is Just Really bad matchups against what
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they were doing on offense, man. And I mean, I think it's a
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little bit of both. I think there were some issues
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with preparation for this team. I think we had some execution
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flaws. I think we were mismatched from
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a athleticism perspective, especially with the linebackers
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against what they were doing in the inside, Run game.
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Well, but I think also a few calls, put our guys in some bad
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spots. and, You know, we got been a couple times with some
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Depot's where we had guys on an island.
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Yeah, let's get the beat balls in the passing because clearly
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the running game, they let us up or you know 390 + yd.
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That's why I said triple, they're not like triple, but two
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and a half times what they normally do.
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You know how today? I mean he was efficient, he it's
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what you want to do. If you're running like that, you
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want to have the foul line of 18. 23, 257 three touchdowns.
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His two big weapons had great days.
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Diana, me Brown 3486 with two touches desk, killed us
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essentially, 74 69, and a touchdown still.
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Don't know why we offered that didn't offer.
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That kid had his brother. Obviously, Myron, play here in
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the 90s and then Williams continued to kill on the ground
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game, with 55 yards in the bath, Their offensive line played
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good, really good in the Run game solid in the past Pro game.
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The only allowed one back, but Brian me and you talked about it
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and I kind of early in the game, they didn't have to drop five to
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seven. It was quick.
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It was threes, it was getting rid of the ball quick.
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I mean, we don't have to don't have to drop back the offensive
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line, as you kind of said to me, is your responsibilities goes by
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half? Yeah.
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And the big thing I saw was that, you know, because of the
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success they were having On The Run game, they were able to just
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you know, fake The Zone read and then just stand in the pocket
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right there. You know, four yards deep in the
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in the backfield and wait for some of those guys to get about
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20, 25 yards downfield and then he was chucking it.
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And you know, couple times they they set up the the formation
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where we were in a bad car. All we had.
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The one that went deep to to Brown in the first quarter, they
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had to to the top of the screen and brown on the bottom.
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And we were in in quarters with with Chapman, having half the
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field, they're against against Brown.
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And you know what? Essentially became a quasi
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one-on-one matchup there because of everything that was going on
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to the other side of the field. That Browns, the only person On
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that side of the formation. And you know what?
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I didn't like about Chapman's technique, there is that he gave
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up ground very quick to wear brown, got to dictate terms of
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that route and as soon as soon as you do that, you know, Brown
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all he had to do is give them a little shoulder fake.
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And a little, bit of reaction was enough to get him about four
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or five yards or space where he got open deep and, you know,
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great ball by house is right on the money.
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And, you know, Chapman tried to recover their but unfortunately,
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that ended up with the big TouchDown for than the gave them
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Twenty One, nothing lead. Yeah.
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And we talked about the downfield numbers in the preview
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show that will Sam house. First are yard pass over 20
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yards, all year. All year so Ron make sure I
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heard you right on this. Imani Chapman.
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That was a zone. That wasn't a man, because to
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me, it looked like he was in, man, because of the way he bit
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down, when he made that much shoulder turn, like you was
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gonna go on an out route, and then cut back up on him.
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So if you look back at it, it's quarters coverage.
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So you had Walker was playing on the the far hash you had Matheny
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playing on the numbers, far numbers, he took Newsom up the
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sideline on the flight. So it was essentially twin fly
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routes and then they sent the tight end I believe was up the
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seam or was it Was it. What's his name?
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There's one of the other guys to the high side, there went up the
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seam. So you had two guys running up
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on the outside the other hash. And then you had essentially
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became a Defector 101 even though Armani Chapman was
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supposed to be in essentially, half filled in that quarters
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coverage. He's playing the back half of
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the, the left side of the formation and I ask you a
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question. Yep.
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If Mommy continues to back pedal, does that become a
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touchdown? Because the way you're saying is
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he saw him make that move, and he essentially just bit down
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versus saying no, you're in quarters, almost hits.
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He gave up his cushion, too fast with him having that deep deep a
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half responsibility. Okay, that, there we go.
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There we go. So he's like a cushion here.
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It became like A man responsibility that point he
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did, he did he wasn't driving on the ball, he was running with
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brown served at that point. Brown was dictating the terms of
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what was going on there. Instead of Chabot, if he kept
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his cushion, he could have kind of read and react.
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So essentially, because of what brown did, he flipped it from a
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Zone to a man coverage? Yeah, because he because of how
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much he got rid of the cushion right at the beginning of the
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rout. Okay.
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Okay. I feel like the other 12 was
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also a man beater. I'm not sure but either way it
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just you know, they hit two big ones today, they hadn't hit any
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all year. They hit two big ones for
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touchdowns today and They also maintain their efficiency in the
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Red Zone. Run, if you take out the kneel
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down, they were essentially perfect in the red zone.
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And you're not going to be the team that is perfect in the red
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zone and gets several deep ball touchdowns.
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It's almost like the perfect storm happen for this defense
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today where we had felt good. The first couple weeks.
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We didn't feel great. We didn't feel 2005-2006 defense
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but we felt like they were tackling solid.
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Not great, but they were getting their game.
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Tackling they were playing good in coverage with some of those
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zones they were staying in their Zone.
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They weren't as you talked about Armani giving up their cushion
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is like they didn't trust themselves today.
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It's like they started getting beat defensively and it was just
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like, The overthinking. The, let me do this, not that.
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In against the team with the talent of Carolina, gas is
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talented yami's, talented there to back since a more talent that
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they have a, don't have a great offensive line, but they have a
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solid offensive line. That everything that could go
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wrong. Did go wrong.
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Yeah and because of this their success in the Run game that
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offensive line never really got pushed from the pass rush like
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Were quick getting rid of the ball and when they did take
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shots, I took shots from play-action.
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So guys were playing less aggressive going after the
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quarterback and they and we didn't get them in a lot of
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third and long situations, where, you know, it was an
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obvious past situation so that that put us in a spot where we
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couldn't just pin our ears back and go after how.
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Yeah, so, really bad debut for ham, I don't think this is
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indicative of the kind of defensive coordinator.
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He is especially today. You know, having Divine out,
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having Chianti out having Brian Murray out.
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Having Tyree out losing tomorrow early in the game.
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Essentially, you lose so much depth at essentially, what I
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will call the safety positions, you know, it just it wasn't good
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but I'll say something to Kudos on the coaching staff.
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To get down by 21 then 25. The team never quit.
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And maybe the switch at halftime help when we went to Hendon.
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But Ron anything else on the Virginia Tech defense if I
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before we flipped and look at the offensive side.
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But we've got some things we gotta look at there because we
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did score 45 points today, 31 in the second half.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm good on defense.
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Are I will say like it, like you said, you know, rough start for
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J Hamm. I want to see See some
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improvement on some of the areas we just talked about man,
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especially with with regard to the linebackers.
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Hopefully getting those safeties back on the field, Diablo and
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Jenkins is going to in particular, is going to be a big
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help in the Run game because we definitely need it.
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I know I was talking with you a little bit about kind of what
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we're doing on the defense of wine.
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Now, and how what, linebackers, and safety responsibilities in
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the Run game? How much more of that matters
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now? Yeah, and I made the comparison
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of the Colts team that won the Super Bowl with Peyton Manning
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and how that run defense when Bob Sanders was was injured and
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not playing for pretty much that whole season was absolutely
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garbage. But he comes back late in the
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the regular season and then in the playoffs you know it goes
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from a bottom, three in the league Rush defense to one that
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only gave up I think one 100 yard rusher in the playoffs and
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that was only just so, you know, the safety play with with the
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way we're playing defense. Now in the Run, game is very
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important. So not having both of those
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starters in the game is significant again.
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I don't think we were going to hold them under 30 with them in
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the game but I think we might be a, you know, a touchdown better
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and that might have been just enough to give us a shot there
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at the end. All right, so let's jump over to
27:13
the offense. Now, first of all, Brian I
27:17
started marking short side runs and in those first drives we had
27:22
540 matter. I'm losing my mind again on
27:25
that. Probably, I hope you are the
27:28
same way. But the first three series with
27:31
Braxton early, part of the game, basically, they were doing the
27:35
most basic plays. That we had ran the first two
27:40
games. Yes.
27:41
And dude it look like UNC was absolutely prepared in getting
27:47
to this pot and flying and make them a swamp and being the
27:53
offensive lineman and I sit here and I'm like, what the hell are
27:58
we doing your literally show? Giving them everything that we
28:01
have shown on tape there? Yeah, it was it was sad to see
28:07
how early on we went way vanilla.
28:10
Play calls, we didn't lean on juice in the Run game.
28:16
We he had one carrying the first quarter and three in the first
28:19
half like you know, I get that. You know, you want to start
28:25
getting some positive movement on offense before you start
28:29
just, you know, feeding the man. But at the same time, you need
28:34
to lean on your strength. And we've seen the strength of
28:37
this defense. This offense is running the
28:39
football with Khalil Herbert and if we you know, I get what
28:46
you're saying with the vanilla play calls and I think we should
28:48
have definitely mixed up how we were getting the ball to him,
28:51
but the fact that we didn't get it to him is a travesty An
28:56
absolute travesty because, you know, he would end up wanting
29:00
up, even with that little of carries in the first half, he
29:04
still had 138 yards. He still had two touchdowns.
29:08
He still had seven point seven yards.
29:10
A carry with those those just having three in the first half.
29:15
So it, again, it just kind of tells you, it's like, you know,
29:19
it's okay to do things you do, but you guys figure out
29:23
different ways to kind of get him in.
29:25
All be intelligent about that in for you know after those three
29:31
series they bring him in for a series he goes 3 and out.
29:35
I don't think that shock to anybody.
29:36
They again, very vanilla, very blase, nothing special, but
29:41
finally, we're down 21-nothing, we finally start mixing up the
29:46
play calls and lo and behold. Two touchdowns in three
29:51
possessions. We cut it to a one score game,
29:56
anything specifically on those drives, other than mixing it up
29:59
a little bit, you know, mixed it up.
30:02
And honestly on the first touchdown drive, just a hell of
30:07
an individual effort by Trey Turner kind of taking that
30:12
little r out there and working inside and then coming back
30:16
outside and getting up the sideline for a really big gain I
30:19
mean it was it was one of those. Give me your ankles type
30:23
situations with the safety there.
30:26
Yeah, he gave him the little okey-doke and then went outside
30:28
and all of a sudden he was up the sideline.
30:30
I was like, what? 50 yard game on that one.
30:33
Play I want to say, maybe 55. Look, here on the first one real
30:40
live here. I think we touched on this
30:42
earlier, but I missed did 3636. Okay, inflated.
30:49
The play. It felt like a 55 Yard game to
30:53
us because of how porous everything had been.
30:55
And to that point so we went from we went from just
31:11
our side of Midfield Red Zone and a few plays later, you know,
31:17
we run we run and then we'd run the little jet swimming to James
31:22
Mitchell from the like one or two yard line.
31:26
The most Unstoppable playing Collegiate football, I don't
31:28
know how but it is go up 21-7, and then 445 running those jet
31:37
sweeps to him at the goal line, man.
31:39
It is one of the more impressive things of all times and then
31:43
defense steps up gets a three and out.
31:45
But we then we have a three and out but defense holds again and
31:49
gets a three and out and then another big play drive and this
31:54
one brine I know. No was again a couple Cleo
31:59
Herbert with a big run Turner with the catch and then Herbert
32:03
punches it in and your Sydney. And it's like wow after that
32:07
first quarter. Holy shit.
32:10
We're down 2114. Yeah, that Herbert touchdown was
32:14
impressive because he got outside and then he waited for
32:20
the safety to come up, all your Venture said.
32:24
All right, I'm going outside got to the Ed's got up the sideline
32:27
scampered In The End Zone, his vision and patience on that run.
32:31
I've got jotted that down on that run.
32:33
It's like, you don't see guys do that.
32:36
He literally set it up. Waited found it when also props
32:40
to James Mitchell for getting a big ass pancake at the end of
32:43
that to your, you texted me and my buddy, Mike texting me, like
32:49
give James Mitchell. All the credit in the world for
32:51
that touchdown run. He crushed that guy.
32:54
Absolutely. All right.
32:56
Well defense again all day it happened.
32:59
They have a couple good series and then they give up another
33:02
touchdown. They go back upstairs scores but
33:05
you know, hey, we proved we can go squirrel these guys now.
33:10
Yep. Yep. 2014.
33:12
It's getting ground near the end of the half and we're driving
33:17
you know got a good drive going. We get to the UNC 43.
33:22
Brian its third and fourth at the UNC 43.
33:27
You're clearly down, two touchdowns you are out of Brian
33:30
Johnson's Ranger so we think about he did later was pretty
33:34
impressive. What what do you expect?
33:37
If you're the offensive play? Colin Braun what, what is your
33:40
call? Their third and four 43-yard
33:44
line, your you probably into down territory, what's your play
33:47
call there? Run.
33:50
Any specific Grand anything, you would have liked to sing.
33:55
I would like to seem probably outside Zone to the wide side to
34:00
Khalil Herbert. You said, well, I had to piss me
34:03
off. No, Brian Brad.
34:08
Cornelison looks at the Excel spreadsheet and runs.
34:11
A booking short side screen to Tavian Robinson and we get one
34:18
yard. You know what I would have been
34:23
okay? If it was like a tunnel screen
34:25
because at least he's moving towards the quarterback and can
34:28
kind of roll up feed where you feel like his momentum and it
34:32
was just like a quick spot screen outside where he has no
34:35
forward momentum. When he catches the ball, like
34:39
he can't even fall forward for like two or three yards.
34:43
It's just like once again, I'll ask you.
34:53
It's 4th and 38 to 42 of the UNC What what's your play call here?
35:00
Is is white and still on the field.
35:03
And fourth and three but you you're driving.
35:07
You're showing you can score on this team.
35:10
I mean I like the play call to go for it.
35:12
I don't like the call that was called throwing a quick slant
35:16
from the slot position into double coverage.
35:20
I don't like that. What I would have liked to seen
35:22
is that if you're going to throw the ball in that situation, you
35:26
either kind of do one of those fake one way and kind of
35:30
throwback to your tight end. We're honestly lean on your
35:36
strength and just run zone out of rather.
35:41
Seen you run Zone on Fourth and three than what than the play
35:44
call. We ended up going with.
35:46
Yeah. And I think for me and you we
35:48
hate it because we know the strength of this team is our
35:50
line. It's like yeah I'll for you and
35:54
it's all running backs you know you know Bryson and have the
35:57
best day and essentially you know, Braxton's time to starter
36:01
is over, but you Feeling that situation run him in some way.
36:06
Let us use our strengths. Yeah and I don't think Braxton
36:10
played a bad game. I think he played considering
36:15
his strengths and weaknesses probably A B+ game for him
36:22
against that defense, but I don't think we needed a lot more
36:26
than that to win the game, especially the way they were
36:29
humming on offense. And that's that's the long and
36:34
short of it, man. But again, like on that fourth
36:36
alcohol. Like, why not do something where
36:38
your lease may be moving the pocket so you know, if the route
36:43
isn't there Braxton has a chance to take off and maybe get it
36:46
with his legs but you know, you kind of you.
36:49
You're throwing the slant and I mean there's not really a whole
36:51
lot, he's not moving off that unless for whatever reason the,
36:57
you know, the Seas part and he can, you know, run right up the
37:01
gut or something. But you took away the option for
37:06
him to even use his best ability on that fourth down.
37:10
Absolutely now, so again Carolina gets the ball.
37:15
It's and they hit their second big play.
37:17
We're down, 3514 going into half.
37:20
I am second half, I don't think to anyone surprised him and
37:24
comes out as the starter. And this is the honest truth.
37:30
Hidden hooker is our qb1 me, no doubt.
37:34
If you show as that, I think it showed in that first half that
37:39
you were missing the elements of the passing game that if they
37:42
were there, maybe were maybe 3521, 3524, go.
37:49
One and a half time. We can we can get on that.
37:52
Yep these are one now as we come out in the second half the early
37:56
play calls, just very vanilla. Then we got a first down and
38:01
then it where it took three plays for the offense, to start
38:07
mixing up the calls of rack 3-Series, excuse me, it took a
38:11
couple plays within them and they start mixing it up and then
38:15
an absolute perfect. I'll Credit in the world to
38:18
cornelison play called to Trey Turner for a touchdown that was
38:23
unfortunately. Nullified by has an illegal
38:26
motion, any wasn't set, which just sucks because it was
38:30
Perfect. Play right into his own on the
38:33
inside. Almost using middle of the field
38:34
is the same in and puts it on the money.
38:36
Triton. Stop running touchdown.
38:39
Fortunately, it comes back now, very fortunate.
38:43
We have a kicker. Now we can trust and you saw
38:47
that kick because you were at the brown fortunate.
38:51
I was stopped and a son to a birthday party for a while, so
38:53
he was having to pay attention to a seven-year-old at a
38:57
birthday party. Trying to keep an eye on the
38:59
game. Text me some stuff.
39:01
You saw that play about what? 20 minutes to go right?
39:06
Before we started recording Jesus.
39:08
What A kick. Yeah, they were holding it on
39:12
the UNC logo. Well, yeah, 55 yarder.
39:18
And it gets us to within 18, but just looking at that that kind
39:25
of play and then kind of everything that would happen
39:28
from here on out hidden had some good runs and Brian having him
39:35
in there. The offense is so much more
39:37
dynamic. Yep.
39:41
And it is and let's just talk about it.
39:42
I mean you showed up on the damn scoreboard and so did 31 points,
39:48
31 31 points in the second half. So it's this is not just, you
39:52
know, I test like it's fucking, you know we've got the data
39:56
there too. May we got, we got 31 points,
40:03
double the yardage in the second half.
40:07
Big runs by Herbert opened up. We finally started giving the
40:11
ball to Herbert. What was this?
40:13
Final final total number number again, 138:2 touchdown. 7.7 a
40:21
carry, how many carries At 7.7 like 18.
40:26
Okay 15 minutes second half so 15 in the second half.
40:30
Yeah, which out of out expected at least 12 per half.
40:36
So the fact that, you know, I thought he was going to be
40:39
between 20 and 25 carries for the game.
40:42
Yeah, and we were under that and we were under that because we
40:47
underutilized him in the first half.
40:49
Yep. I think I just thought I don't
40:51
get how we didn't lean on our strengths.
40:54
In the first half, especially when again, we were having some
40:57
limitations in the passing game, it's 100% man.
41:01
And I talked about the hooker on, he runs the set and the
41:04
first touchdown in the second. Half in, after hitting a
41:06
freaking 50-plus, you order to Big Stone Gap and right there
41:11
because the next series was the big juice run in me and you
41:16
talked about it and we've mentioned it before UNC when he
41:20
got in there. They couldn't just In.
41:24
Go to a spot they actually had to thank and dissect mortal van
41:30
dissect, the more we scored and you know Brian as we get into
41:35
deeper into the third quarter you know the defense you know
41:41
continues to hold pretty good because now they're getting some
41:44
time off the field. They hold to a three and out you
41:47
know and you know, UNC gets the lead back to 12 and then we
41:52
finally Get there. Get it within four on explain
42:01
that route where Tavian Robinson called us touchdown, because I
42:04
loved it. They showed it a great angle but
42:08
tell me what those guys are thinking.
42:10
Yep. And then there's the runner you
42:11
have juice and juice just broke a big one.
42:14
They've hit Big Stone Gap, tell me what that defense is thinking
42:18
on that touchdown play to take me on.
42:20
So tree ran a wheel and and trade took two guys up the
42:27
sideline with him on the wheel and what that left was Tavian
42:32
essentially running a route kind of in right up the hash and they
42:37
hit him there and all he had to do was make a move on the
42:39
safety. The safety was the only person
42:41
there safety still had an eye on what Trey Turner was doing.
42:46
He put a little okey-doke on him and then ran right right between
42:49
the Cash, is there for the touchdown?
42:52
I mean, it was a really good play call, man.
42:54
It was a really good play call. And the way they set it up, they
42:57
definitely bad both of their eyes on the wheel because we've
43:00
thrown the wheel a couple times at this point.
43:03
And then, you know, kind of work that route underneath and you
43:07
know, Tavian Robinson had a lot of room to work and when he's
43:09
got room to work he can make guys miss and just get up.
43:12
Feel for the touchdown. Yes, you can.
43:16
But, you know, obviously the defensive struggle continued,
43:20
after we cut it to five the defense pretty quickly, gave it
43:24
back, we go back up to 12. Then we have The just the one
43:30
that irritated the crap out of a lot of folks, you included me
43:35
included, we get the ball juice. Herbert 11 yards out, here we go
43:40
again. We're going to cut it right back
43:41
down. After an 11-yard gain.
43:45
We choose to pass the ball on three consecutive plays and I'm
43:53
trying to figure that out. Because it makes no sense.
43:57
And then takes a sack on third down and 10.
44:00
We have to punt. Let's just not run at all.
44:05
He just got 11 yards. That's just completely ignore
44:11
The motor a little team, the thing to keep the team going,
44:15
and this is where the Excel spreadsheet needs to be tossed
44:19
out, and potentially the person up in the booth colonies plays,
44:24
this is where you get to that point.
44:25
I'm holding the neck like this brown, like maybe he needs to go
44:28
because it's so inconsistent. And at that point right there,
44:35
you know, you can store them. Yep.
44:56
To a lot of things and he does but he is so inconsistent and
45:05
Sometimes either under thinks or overthinks the situation.
45:10
Not just when it happens it's definitely more of like when
45:14
it's the flow of the game, like that was a key drive like we
45:18
needed that to get points. It wasn't like, you know, I mean
45:22
sometimes you know there's drives where okay, well, you
45:25
don't feel bad about a three and out are you don't feel bad about
45:28
you know, trying to do something different and it didn't work and
45:31
he had a punt. Sometimes, there's those
45:33
scenarios and you're like, okay well he was trying something
45:37
different, it didn't work but that's something You do when
45:40
you're not in these crunch-time moments, it's not something you
45:44
don't get cute. When things are humming for you
45:48
and you all of a sudden, you try to do something different just
45:50
to shake things up. Like the running game is going.
45:54
The misdirection game is going both in the passing game in the
45:56
running game. You know, go back to the well
46:00
until they can stop it. Yep.
46:04
But they don't that happens. We punt UNC get this again to go
46:10
up 56-37. We're down 19 and you know it's
46:16
about nine minutes left in the game and all hopes.
46:20
Not lost because you take a look at how we scored the third
46:23
quarter, one in a minute and 18, s 1.
46:26
Then under a minute. If I cool, this is fine, let's
46:30
go. We've got to go score.
46:33
You know, let's mention real quick, the brawn Johnson onside
46:37
kick. That was a thing of beauty, that
46:39
swung the momentum in our favor. And we not only one, the one up,
46:44
the middle was pretty but the one to the outside that they got
46:47
later on, it was all so beautiful, so give him his due
46:51
diligence, forgiveness credit. But then so we get the ball,
46:54
nine minutes or so, left. And Brian.
46:58
I don't know if you didn't get to see this.
46:59
I don't think live the tempo of that touchdown Drive.
47:03
I've felt so shitty. Yep.
47:07
It took three minutes and 23 seconds and I'm sitting here.
47:09
It's like what are we doing? We are down 19 points.
47:13
We know we can score fast on them.
47:15
We need to get our asses and go. When once again, you just meant
47:20
to more flaws about bread cornelison.
47:23
There's another one right there. It's like, no, this is when you
47:26
need to go Temple, this is when you need to take shots.
47:30
Basically that drive it, you know, it says essentially each.
47:33
Switch the drives. Yeah, you did this on the
47:37
previous drive and then, you know, hurried up and was
47:40
chucking it on this drive you might say, okay, well, at least
47:42
there's a rhyme and reason to it but you know, he got too cute
47:49
and moving too fast and trying to do too much on a drive where
47:53
he just needed to simplify things and keep rolling with
47:57
what's working. And then once, you know, then
48:00
when he's in a situation where we need points, we have to get
48:03
points and how to get points fast.
48:04
He's like, all right, we're going to We're going to
48:07
methodically drive. This bad boy down the field and
48:09
get a, get a touchdown, and a two point conversion, no big
48:12
deal. Yeah, and here's the issue with
48:15
that drive, and it's to your point.
48:17
Exactly. Eight.
48:19
Play 77 yards. Three minutes, 23 seconds.
48:22
We had five runs on that one. Yes, we have the explosive,
48:29
guys, don't get me wrong. But when you're down 19 with
48:32
nine minutes left, you need to be pushing the ball and again,
48:36
It's just terrible situational awareness.
48:40
Again this is where we can add the onside kick, we don't get it
48:44
but that last Drive even you said it to me right before the
48:47
game fight. For we started there were
48:50
several opportunities for the defense to stop them.
48:52
We didn't and at the end of the day, not enough stops and not
49:00
going to quarterback one quick enough.
49:03
Lost the game, 5645. If we should have went to
49:07
quarterback one. Snap one.
49:10
Oh yes, that's what me and you was that snap one should have
49:14
been qv1 hidden hooker. Should have started the game.
49:18
I'm going to put that on Coach Fuente and coach cornelison for
49:23
not getting the right guy to start the game.
49:26
I mean, at some point you got to say regardless of preparation,
49:31
regardless of what the practice is look like.
49:34
He's had enough time to react. Himself, you know, he is your
49:38
best option at the position. You don't play it.
49:42
Safe against a ranked opponent in your conference that you're
49:47
likely going to have to beat in order to play for a conference
49:50
Championship. Yeah.
49:52
Now we that's not to say that our hopes of a conference
49:55
Championship were out the door because, you know, unc's play to
50:00
tie games against lesser ACC competition to this point and
50:03
almost got nicked against Boston College.
50:06
So that's not to say they can't drop two games and we're right
50:09
back in the, in the driver's seat.
50:11
But right now, we didn't put our best effort out there to start
50:16
the game and it came down to buy this because if hendon's out
50:21
there, this could have ended up in a shootout versus having to
50:23
play catch-up the whole damn game.
50:26
That's where the bigger issue is its we had it like catch up if
50:29
he's out there you feel from Jump Street, they score opening
50:32
weeks for opening and that set the tone for them also to Where
50:37
I don't think they get as comfortable running the ball.
50:40
I think they got to become to run of the ball because you're
50:42
up 21 nothing after the first quarter.
50:46
Shit. I mean, tell me in football
50:49
coaching, this world that we're up.
50:51
We're going to run a little more.
50:52
If we continue to stay up, we're going to keep running.
50:56
We kill clock. We're getting cashiers.
51:00
What do you work with you and see dead against us?
51:02
Is that they found what was working and they stuck with it.
51:07
That's not talk about that because there were certain
51:09
things that were working for us that we just decided to go away
51:12
from run and you know as we close in on 1 p.m. here Eastern
51:19
Standard Time, watching highlight shows we were on the
51:26
BC. Right into PCL pit today in
51:33
overtime. And, you know, You told me it's
51:42
6:00 because I told you it's six o'clock and by that time, so
51:45
it'll be three hours right? At a little over three hours
51:48
past the game. I texted you and said I'm not as
51:51
mad with this loss. He texted me back.
51:54
You're like I'm still bleeping man with his loss.
51:58
Where are you a few hours later? And looking at more tape, are
52:02
you still as angry or is it? Are you coming down to where?
52:07
It's like, I'm not as mad. But I'm very mad that we did not
52:15
have any hooker out there to start the game, especially the
52:17
way he played, when he was on the field, I'm still mad that
52:24
our linebackers didn't play better.
52:27
Because at some point, I mean, The, the bad reads I will live
52:34
with that because people are going to get bad reads
52:37
especially against a team that does use some misdirection in
52:40
the things with the RPO that they do.
52:42
I get that. But they played timid and they
52:45
didn't tackle well and that's things that they can control.
52:49
So that's got to be better. That's got to be better going
52:53
forward. And I mean, I'm hoping getting
52:56
Didi and Jenkins back is going to clean up a little bit of that
52:58
run game stuff, so we'll see how that goes.
53:01
Thankfully, we got a team coming in that does not run the ball
53:04
very well. So I think we're going to have
53:07
some more success in that area this week.
53:11
But with the way they sling, the ball, a bunch of times.
53:15
I would like to have the safeties back as well for that.
53:20
Well, from everything. We're Gathering divine's back.
53:23
Regardless, the vine actually, Divine should probably be back
53:27
for a whole week of practice, which is good.
53:29
Yeah, if we cuz Me and you did some counting earlier.
53:34
We said he could be back if he was one of these tests, but he
53:38
won't. He was in.
53:39
He was in the Friday set which meant that he wasn't going to
53:42
get even if it was - he wasn't getting results back until after
53:46
the team had already traveled. Yeah.
53:48
So he's in the Friday set you hope he's back because if he's
53:51
back because it has been Friday, Saturday Sunday, Monday,
53:54
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday, his
53:57
tenth day will be tomorrow which is not a practice daily.
54:01
Luckily it's one of those things, he can be on a zoom
54:03
meeting with the guys and he's back on the field.
54:05
Monday, practicing kyanka. I want to say Kion toe was in
54:13
the early set of testings. I want to say it.
54:17
Sounded like she was the Monday, he was in.
54:20
So he has a chance of being cleared either Wednesday or
54:24
Friday, right? So we think he's in the Monday
54:28
if it that he's Wednesday. No.
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He would be Wednesday or Thursday if you middle, he's the
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borderline. Yep, we're borderline, appease
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their next Week. Now, luckily for us it is a home
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game, right? Yep.
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So no travel so he's not cleared by the wind State St.
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To be clear about a Friday test. We should at least be available
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even if he's not the guy that you're rolling out there to
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start the game because of preparation.
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So he's at least available. My beer is empty.
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I think I'm not going to have another one.
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It's one of your ear at the moment of truth for you.
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Got to decide. Do I drink some more or do I
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just go to sleep? Yeah, I need to go to sleep.
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The little one was up at like six twenty this morning on a
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Saturday. So I need ya freakin kid sleeps
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till like 6:45 on the weekdays and Saturday morning, he wants
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to wake up at 6:00 and it's, you know, the unthinking boniest,
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wake up exactly. Um, have the case of turnout Do
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it was baller with the fundido had some some chorizo Jalapeno
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in their little Rotel, got the the Velveeta Blanco what else I
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have in there. Some pepper, jack, some onion,
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and did you have get your wife and child have any?
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Oh, yeah. I mean honestly there's about
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half a pan left sitting in the I put it in a container for
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tomorrow. So I've got some I've got some
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Game Day food for tomorrow, too. So whatever I ended up doing
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some, you know, we had talked about brisket, I actually ended
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up grabbing a boneless pork button.
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Did some carnitas so I had some carnitas tacos with the case.
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Oh dude, you turn baller tonight, man.
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Very nice. Like I said, I eat my feelings.
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You ain't your friend. I said here, I ate a bagel for
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breakfast and didn't eat anything until I had gorditas
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with me, Jalisco and some shrimp, some chicken, and some
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steak on that bad boy, I gobbled down.
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My wife looked at me as I was eating the second one.
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She's like, you can eat all of it.
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I'm like, yeah, yeah, I've committed a quick committed.
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Quit exactly scrolling through Here at one am anything.
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We've missed. Nothing fun, man.
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Nothing fun, you know, the only upside knock on wood is
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essentially. Luke tenuta was out today, but I
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don't, I think that was probably something else.
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Just when you see only one position, group guy, go down,
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hopefully find out more this week.
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Have it reported few guys on the preview show but since there is
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nothing else out there that is going to wrap up this late night
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episode of The Boundary Corner podcast.
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as always let's go. Okay, he's spent my youth just
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rambling around Vernon Aerodrome from town to town, Devon long
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and his nerves grow cold pretty soon, is limestone.