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NFL Preseason Week 2 Reaction: Fernando Mendoza, Ty Simpson SHINE, Cam Ward STRUGGLES, NFL Training Camp Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Three
0:18
Speaker 1: and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone's doing well. Enjoyed some week
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Speaker 1: in preseason games. Uh, there were a lot of them,
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Speaker 1: a lot of uh, a lot of third triggers going
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Speaker 1: at it in these games because starters aren't really playing.
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Speaker 1: But a lot of takes from quarterbacks to Fernando Mendoza,
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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson, cam Ward, some bright spot on the Cowboys.
0:39
Speaker 1: I you know, I missed the Jaden Daniels story, So
0:42
Speaker 1: we've got a lot going on. We'll do a couple
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Speaker 1: of mailbag questions as well. I did a podcast earlier
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Speaker 1: in the day with Colin so tried to talk about
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Speaker 1: some different stuff as well. So you just don't hear
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Speaker 1: a miss an episode. And let's just talk some some
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Speaker 1: pre season ball. But I do want to start a
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Speaker 1: big picture with the rookie quarterbacks, and I would just
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Speaker 1: say rookies in general. Right. Fernando Mendoza had a couple
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Speaker 1: of nice rows touchdown pass. I was watching him live
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Speaker 1: a beautiful pass over the middle of the field. Ty
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Speaker 1: Simpson had excellent numbers, was really good on one of
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Speaker 1: the patented Shanahan McVeigh plays. And I think the key
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Speaker 1: with rookies, like the key with young people in any business, right,
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Speaker 1: when you get hired out of college, they don't go
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Speaker 1: your first couple weeks on the job, tell me everything
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Speaker 1: you learned your sophomore junior year in econ two to
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Speaker 1: two and counting four oh four. You know why they
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Speaker 1: don't give a shit They hired you because in the
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Speaker 1: interview process of getting to know you of just your
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Speaker 1: resume right college, that you're a functional human and they think,
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Speaker 1: based on your skill set maybe you intern there, that
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Speaker 1: you can excel and they will teach you the skills needed.
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Speaker 1: Right in a perfect world, high energy, high effort, willing
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Speaker 1: to do whatever. And let's face it, when you're young,
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Speaker 1: the expectations are really low. Not the case in the NFL. Right,
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Speaker 1: if you're a first round pick, the expectations for you
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Speaker 1: from your team, from the city, and really just from
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Speaker 1: football fans is high. You carry around. I was the
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Speaker 1: first overall pick, like Fernando Mendoza. I was the thirteenth
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Speaker 1: overall pick, like Ty Simpson. Hell I was the fourth
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Speaker 1: overall pick like Carnell Tape. People's expectations rightfully so because
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Speaker 1: of the value and the capital that team spent on
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Speaker 1: you is really really high. But early on, especially in August,
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Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna sit here and act like this
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Speaker 1: means a lot. I've been in this business for a
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Speaker 1: long time. I've attended a lot of preseason games when
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Speaker 1: I worked in the NFL, when I WOR radio, and
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Speaker 1: it was brutal, it was never fun, and the games
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Speaker 1: in the second half can really really drag. And I
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Speaker 1: even hate the older I get going on, this guy
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Speaker 1: is gonna be bagging groceries now, he's got a degree
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Speaker 1: from Texas, Like, he'll be fine. He's just not gonna
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Speaker 1: play in the NFL. And there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: guys that play in these preseason games that are not
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Speaker 1: gonna play in the NFL. And that's what's weird about
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Speaker 1: some of these matchups. You have Fernando Mendoza or Ty
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Speaker 1: Simpson or whoever going up against some guys, competing against
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Speaker 1: some guys that are not gonna make the roster. Now,
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Speaker 1: those guys will make practice squads, right and maybe one
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Speaker 1: day going to have great careers, or maybe one day
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Speaker 1: never actually play a regular season nfls now, we don't
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Speaker 1: know when we're watching the game. The only thing we
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Speaker 1: know is, like Joe Burrow's in the game, I saw
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Speaker 1: the Bengals offense looks terrible. Like I'm sorry, there's one
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Speaker 1: team that I'm not gonna get overly concerned about. When
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Speaker 1: you got Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow and T Higgins, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you have bad preez. I don't give a shit, right
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Speaker 1: or even the Eagles who didn't play their starters, look
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Speaker 1: at the offense was a disaster. It's like, well, if
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Speaker 1: Jalen and sa Quon and those guys are a disaster,
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Speaker 1: then we're gonna have problems. But I can't assume do
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Speaker 1: no anything. But when you've never really started. My first
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Speaker 1: year with the Eagles, Kevin they had just traded Donovan
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Speaker 1: McNabb and Kevin Cobb was gonna be the starter, and
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Speaker 1: a couple of preseason games went by and it was
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Speaker 1: a nightmare, and I remember coming into the office. I
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Speaker 1: had to do something late at night after the preseason game.
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Speaker 1: Might have been during the day. I don't remember the
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Speaker 1: exact details, but I vividly remember Kevin Cobb leaving like
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Speaker 1: Andy and Marty who was the offensive coordinator's office, and
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Speaker 1: then it was pretty dead. We had played that It
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Speaker 1: was kind of weird, or maybe it was early the
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Speaker 1: next day. I forget the exact timeline, but I just
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Speaker 1: remember red flag went off in my head and thinking like,
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Speaker 1: this is not good. And obviously he would get Wally
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Speaker 1: Pipp pretty quickly by Michael Vick and the rest is history.
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Speaker 1: But some of these guys, when they get their first
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Speaker 1: time opportunity to play, if it looks bad and the
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Speaker 1: expectations are high. That is concerning when you first get
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Speaker 1: hired to do a job and you've got no fucking
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Speaker 1: clue what to do, and six months in, these guys
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Speaker 1: have now been around these coaches in the offseason training camp.
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Speaker 1: You should have a general idea, not looking for you
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Speaker 1: to shatter records, but you should look competent. So like
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Speaker 1: ultimately your box score means nothing to me, Like Deshaun Watson,
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Speaker 1: his box score doesn't look terrible. But I was We
5:29
Speaker 1: were at the hotel waiting to get on a flight
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Speaker 1: and to fly back to Arizona on Saturday, and that
5:33
Speaker 1: game kicked off in the morning, and we kind of
5:35
Speaker 1: pushed it, but I say it a little bit longer
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Speaker 1: than we should have, because you got a baby that'll happen,
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Speaker 1: you have nowhere to go, and they weren't cleaning the
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Speaker 1: room yet. So I sat there and basically watched three
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Speaker 1: quarters that Brown's Bears game, and I just kept thinking,
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Speaker 1: I know, I keep looking the box score, and the
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Speaker 1: numbers don't look bad, but what I'm seeing like, he's
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Speaker 1: just not a very good player. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to tell you. And that's the one thing with football, right.
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Speaker 1: We live in this world world of analytics, and in basketball,
6:02
Speaker 1: especially in baseball, they can tell you concretely, like this
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Speaker 1: guy's not a good player. Everyone's like, Jalen Brown not good.
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Speaker 1: It's like, didn't he just lead the team to the
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Speaker 1: number one overall seed or number two seed and have
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Speaker 1: his great season statistically? They're like, yeah, but the deep
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Speaker 1: analytics says the guy blows and most people around the
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Speaker 1: NBA think he's extremely overrated. It's like, well, I guess
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Speaker 1: that's the case. That's hard to do in football, right,
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Speaker 1: if you win and put up numbers let's say, as
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, we're gonna call you good even if you
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Speaker 1: got some flaws. Sam Darnold throws some picks. You know what,
6:35
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit anymore. It does not matter,
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Speaker 1: you know else, do some interceptions. Brett Farv, Yeah, I live.
6:42
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers threw a lot of interceptions for the majority
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Speaker 1: of the prime of his career. I gonna war Philip
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Speaker 1: Rivers on my team. And you know where I stood
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Speaker 1: on the Ty Simpson draft pick. I thought it was
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Speaker 1: pretty bold. I thought it was an overdraft, not because
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Speaker 1: I thought the guy was should be in the UFL
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Speaker 1: or shouldn't be. Starting with the setup of their team,
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Speaker 1: the ability to add a, you know, an impact player
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Speaker 1: at that position, an offensive or defensive lineman, it's pretty
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Speaker 1: unique opportunity. Now, I also understand from the GM's perspective,
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Speaker 1: thinking big picture doesn't change my thought when I'm drafting
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Speaker 1: a guy in the first round. I like to have
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Speaker 1: a certain skill set. But just because you have that
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Speaker 1: skill set doesn't mean you're gonna go on to be
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Speaker 1: a good NFL player. And historically guys like ty Simpson
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have sniffed the first round. Well, historically, thirty years
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Speaker 1: ago you could get a big ass house for seven
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Speaker 1: hundred grand and a sweet neighborhood. Those days are over.
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Speaker 1: Inflation is upon us. We ain't going back unless there
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Speaker 1: is a catastrophic event, which would in theory be awful.
7:44
Speaker 1: But if you've done a good job with your money
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Speaker 1: and be a great buying opportunity, but no one's rooting
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Speaker 1: for that. But when it comes to quarterbacks, like, we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna go in a period where guys that once
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Speaker 1: upon a time when the fourth round start going in
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Speaker 1: the fourth round again instead of the first and the
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Speaker 1: second like those days. Now, I'm also not gonna say
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Speaker 1: that this guy's gonna go on to be a pro
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Speaker 1: bowler because he went twenty one to twenty five and
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Speaker 1: hit a bunch of passes when he was rolling out.
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Speaker 1: Or I will say, if I'm a Rams fan, if
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Speaker 1: I'm Sean mcvah ro, I'm last need I feel pretty
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Speaker 1: fucking good, because you don't get a rivid for playing good.
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Speaker 1: But it is a problem when you played poorly, and
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Speaker 1: he played well. He looked mobile, he looked accurate, he
8:23
Speaker 1: looked like a guy that if you do a good
8:26
Speaker 1: enough job building your team around big picture, which they
8:30
Speaker 1: don't have to focus on this year because Matt Stafford's
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Speaker 1: still playing, you could win games. And you could also
8:35
Speaker 1: argue that just with the makeup of their team, if
8:39
Speaker 1: they had to win some games this year, you probably
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Speaker 1: could pull that off with that guy. It's obviously the
8:44
Speaker 1: regular season is a completely different animal. But I think
8:48
Speaker 1: you got to give the kid his flowers because a
8:51
Speaker 1: lot of people were gonna nit pick him if it
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Speaker 1: went the other way. Right. It was one of the
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Speaker 1: more controversial picks because of how crazy it was, And
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Speaker 1: I mentioned this to Coward. That's if someone told me,
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Speaker 1: if you had flip flopped the trades and the pick
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie went for pick thirteen and Ty simpson went
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Speaker 1: for pick twenty nine, we probably wouldn't judge it as harshly, right.
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Speaker 1: We wouldn't have said they were so insane. Now, you
9:12
Speaker 1: could also argue McVeigh made it crazier with his after
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Speaker 1: the draft kind of you know, act, I guess, and
9:21
Speaker 1: I've been told by someone reliable it wasn't act. He
9:24
Speaker 1: was doing that like he wasn't lying the next day
9:26
Speaker 1: he was doing that for Stafford in the locker room.
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Speaker 1: Partly because people are like, what the hell is going on?
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Speaker 1: And that's part of it. When you draft a first
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Speaker 1: round quarterback and no one sees it coming, they are
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Speaker 1: typically the holy shit moments. Aaron Rodgers once upon a
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Speaker 1: time was a holy shit moment. Jordan Love definitely was,
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Speaker 1: including to Aaron Rodgers. So I mean that the Packers
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Speaker 1: have made a history of doing that. And listen, we
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Speaker 1: don't expect you to be Tom Brady day one when
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Speaker 1: you're first round quarterback, but when you play in the
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Speaker 1: preseason as a rookie, people would like you competent. And
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Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about Fernando Mendoza, who
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Speaker 1: like Ty Simpson. What makes it unique about these two
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Speaker 1: players They were both drafted one at one and one
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Speaker 1: at thirteen. Neither of them is starting week one. Ty
10:11
Speaker 1: Simpson ideally will not start all season. Fernando is definitely
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Speaker 1: gonna start at some point in time this season. It
10:17
Speaker 1: just kind of depends when unless they have one of
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Speaker 1: the craziest didn't see that coming seasons we've had in
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Speaker 1: recent memory, and they win a bunch of games, and
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Speaker 1: Cousins is just the starting quarterback for like a team
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Speaker 1: that's in the wildcard mix. But The other thing with
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Speaker 1: Fernando is I don't know what his box score was.
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Speaker 1: I saw him make two or three pass I went,
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Speaker 1: that works, like this guy's going to work. I don't understand,
10:39
Speaker 1: and I know Colin is on this, just like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people with common sense go, this guy's gonna
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Speaker 1: be solid quarterback. Is he fucking John Elway? You know?
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Speaker 1: Is he Brett Favre? Like, No, he's not the greatest athlete,
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the biggest arm, But I would say most
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Speaker 1: of his traits are plus size, intelligence, toughness, arm. I
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Speaker 1: would say above average, not great, accuracy, pretty excellent, history
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Speaker 1: of throwing deep balls pretty good if you watched them
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Speaker 1: in college. So I would say Fernando Mendoza Ty Simpson.
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Speaker 1: Because you're kind of holding your breath for those of
11:20
Speaker 1: you that are in businesses where either you're in charge
11:23
Speaker 1: of the hiring, You own a company, you hire people,
11:26
Speaker 1: your role at the company is to hire people. Is
11:29
Speaker 1: extremely difficult. It is very, very very hard. Why because
11:35
Speaker 1: you're dealing with human beings, especially if you're in charge
11:39
Speaker 1: of hiring younger people, like it is much maybe not
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Speaker 1: much easier, because older established people have thoughts of how
11:48
Speaker 1: to do things and sometimes can have big egos, or
11:50
Speaker 1: at least when you hire someone in their early to
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Speaker 1: mid twenties, they tend to be green and ideally kind
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Speaker 1: of hungry, right and willing to do whatever it's easier
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Speaker 1: to mold. Well, it's no different with draft picks. Most
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Speaker 1: of these coaches, you can't I mean how many times
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Speaker 1: I hear from scouting buddies, from assistant coaching buddies of like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this guy's position coach in college had no clue tows
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Speaker 1: doing We didn't even we didn't even crush them on
12:19
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that was on tape because like
12:22
Speaker 1: their coaching staff sucked. Like most people in college are
12:24
Speaker 1: not Signetti and Nick Saban and Kirby Smart. You know,
12:27
Speaker 1: you get a lot of guys, a lot of coordinators
12:30
Speaker 1: that don't have that much respect at the next level. Now,
12:33
Speaker 1: you could also argue there's a lot of those guys
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Speaker 1: in the NFL as well, but they just they want
12:38
Speaker 1: to mold you. They want to have an onboarding process,
12:42
Speaker 1: teach you how to do shit and then let you
12:44
Speaker 1: figure it out from there. That's part of life, definitely
12:47
Speaker 1: part of playing quarterback. So really really solid starts for
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Speaker 1: those two guys, and I think both teams can just
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Speaker 1: kind of exhale. One major and I mean major red
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Speaker 1: flag I got going right now is the Titans in
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Speaker 1: cam Ward. And I'm not like some guy that when
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Speaker 1: he came out of the draft went, that's a crazy pick.
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Speaker 1: This guy can't play. I've been a fan. He honestly
13:13
Speaker 1: fits the mold of the type quarterbacks I like. Right,
13:17
Speaker 1: I am not Ty Simpson brock Purdy, that physical makeup
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Speaker 1: coming out of Cup. That's not where I lean. I'm
13:27
Speaker 1: much more inclined to go with the physical traits guy.
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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not trying to play Monday morning quarterback.
13:33
Speaker 1: I never understood taking two over Herbert. It's like, I
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Speaker 1: just go with the six to sixth guy with the
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Speaker 1: enormous arm that also played in a massive powerhouse that
13:42
Speaker 1: just won the Rose Bowl, like over a little guy
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Speaker 1: who's injured with a weak arm. Like I don't understand
13:47
Speaker 1: that now. Some guys with weak arms or average arms
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Speaker 1: go on to have great careers. Drew Brees first ballt
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, shattered records. You would never get his
13:55
Speaker 1: arm confused for Rogers, right, But there's more to playing
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Speaker 1: quarter So I'm not acting like cam Ward. That was
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Speaker 1: a crazy pick. I would have said, totally get it,
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Speaker 1: totally understand it. You need a quarterback swing for the fences.
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Speaker 1: Heading into year two, we got major concerns. I know
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people, obviously they cover the forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers and around that operation, they just had a joint
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Speaker 1: practice with the Titans, and everything I heard was, God,
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Speaker 1: he looks terrible practice, joint practice whatever. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: make that much of it. It's like john with fred
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Speaker 1: Ward the whole time. I think a lot of people
14:29
Speaker 1: were like, bro, just just focus on completing passes instead
14:33
Speaker 1: of screaming at one of the best players in the
14:35
Speaker 1: league who wants to bait you into doing that shit too, Like,
14:38
Speaker 1: don't buy into it. And the game happens and he
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Speaker 1: looks awful as well, And there are several variables here.
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Robert Solid guy. I think he fits
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Speaker 1: the category of guy that gets a second opportunity and
14:51
Speaker 1: can turn his career into a powerhouse. And we can
14:54
Speaker 1: look back years from now and go, yeah, he's with
14:57
Speaker 1: the Jets awful spot. Here's the problem. You know, we
15:01
Speaker 1: talk a lot about ownership and Woody Johnson being like
15:04
Speaker 1: flying off the seat of his pants and firing people
15:06
Speaker 1: left and right. Have you googled Amy Adams. They're currently
15:10
Speaker 1: building this new stadium and someone in the market told
15:14
Speaker 1: me having some issues selling some pcls. So ideally, when
15:18
Speaker 1: you go into a new stadium, Jerry Jones, once upon
15:22
Speaker 1: a time, this did this with parcels. I saw it
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Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers, with Jim Harbaugh and selling
15:28
Speaker 1: all the pcls with Levi Stadium obviously the Rams and SOFI.
15:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tried and true formula when you go
15:35
Speaker 1: into a new stadium with momentum and winning, even if
15:38
Speaker 1: you're not winning the Super Bowl. The bills people fucking
15:41
Speaker 1: I'll pay whatever, I will overpay. I will pay a
15:44
Speaker 1: number that I'm uncomfortable with. Companies pay for boxes. You
15:48
Speaker 1: want to be there now, it's the NFL. People want
15:50
Speaker 1: to be there no matter what. Sometimes there's a glamour
15:52
Speaker 1: like It's not like the Raiders were crushing it when
15:55
Speaker 1: they moved to Vegas, but had a unique market, unique
15:58
Speaker 1: business set up the casinos. But this Titan situation of
16:02
Speaker 1: we have a precedent set now, whether you agree or disagree,
16:06
Speaker 1: you do not get a long runway. You do not
16:10
Speaker 1: get three, four, five years anymore. Those days are done.
16:14
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, JJ McCarthy, Anthony Richardson. Two of those guys
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Speaker 1: were drafted the top five. The other guy they let
16:23
Speaker 1: cousins slash Sam Darnold move on because they were going
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Speaker 1: all in on this guy. And when it doesn't work out,
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Speaker 1: all those guys, none of them made it to week one,
16:34
Speaker 1: year three, all of them backups. Trey Lance on a
16:38
Speaker 1: different team. JJ McCarthy, we'll see if he's on the
16:40
Speaker 1: same team. And if you could give Chris Baller to
16:43
Speaker 1: do over. Anthony Richardson would have been traded last last
16:46
Speaker 1: training camp. Clearly he regrets it. Right, cam Ward's got
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Speaker 1: four and a half months to show that he can play.
16:53
Speaker 1: Because I Bargonzi had the opportunity, there are rumors he
16:58
Speaker 1: could have made a trade with the Giants for a
16:59
Speaker 1: big haul, could have signed a guy like Sam Darnold
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Speaker 1: and kind of built his team the slow way. Decided
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Speaker 1: to go the other way, decided, hey, looks supercharge this thing.
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Speaker 1: I've been around Patrick Mahomes. I'm not calling cam Warden
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Speaker 1: College Patrick Mahomes, but at Libber big arm playmaker had
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Speaker 1: just bawled out at University of Miami had the previous
17:21
Speaker 1: two years. You saw a lot of sweet traits at
17:23
Speaker 1: Washington State, like totally understandable. He has big time physical gifts,
17:28
Speaker 1: but then you watch him play like he doesn't play
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Speaker 1: quarterback that well in the NFL. Last year, I'll give
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Speaker 1: him pass right, but then this year you would like
17:37
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, he's got a brand new offense.
17:38
Speaker 1: Brian Dabele, Okay, people shouldn't just watch you and go
17:43
Speaker 1: I don't see it. Because even if we wanted to
17:46
Speaker 1: nitpick Kayleb Williams and I'm guilty, last year I was like,
17:49
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben Johnson wants a timing offense. Kayleb
17:52
Speaker 1: Williams is not that type player. And clearly by you know,
17:56
Speaker 1: by every report and Ben Johnson's own words, he's really
17:59
Speaker 1: worked at it. He's much more precise. It's like he's
18:03
Speaker 1: taking big strides. But Caleb always had the big playability
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Speaker 1: and he showed that throughout the second year, right, pulling
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Speaker 1: crazy plays out of as you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: some of the greatest top two or three throw I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean last year to roam in that
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Speaker 1: playoff game when he threw a roll to his left
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Speaker 1: and hit him down the sideline. But he made plays
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Speaker 1: like that all year long. And I'm watching cam Ward
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Speaker 1: going if I'm Robert Sala. Most coaches, unless you're Mike
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Speaker 1: McCarthy right, who already had a Super Bowl his first stop,
18:34
Speaker 1: are getting like three or four shots. Most coaches, you
18:37
Speaker 1: get a second shot, but that's probably it. So I
18:41
Speaker 1: got four months to prove and I was looking at
18:44
Speaker 1: the schedule. They play a lot of good defenses, a
18:46
Speaker 1: lot of good fronts. It's gonna be difficult. But this
18:49
Speaker 1: see if this season does and end with we got
18:51
Speaker 1: our guy. If there is like that did not go
18:53
Speaker 1: well and we win three or four games, everything's on
18:56
Speaker 1: the table. One because their owner has proven to be
19:03
Speaker 1: very unpredictable, right and willing because she has all this
19:09
Speaker 1: money coming from the league and now all this pressure
19:13
Speaker 1: to make sure this stadium works with momentum as a
19:16
Speaker 1: revenue generator. That everyone should be on. Hl's a little
19:20
Speaker 1: bit the guy and I've met Bergonzi one time, super
19:24
Speaker 1: nice guy, have a bunch of mutual friends, have heard
19:27
Speaker 1: great things. You know where I stand on solid I'm
19:30
Speaker 1: rooting for these two guys. This situation would make me
19:33
Speaker 1: a little nervous. Like John, it's early. Jona's true. Agree,
19:37
Speaker 1: it is early, and twenty thirty years ago. It would
19:40
Speaker 1: be way too early to have this would be a
19:44
Speaker 1: this would just be a fake conversation, but it's not
19:47
Speaker 1: only real, Like the pressure is fucking on, and if
19:51
Speaker 1: you're telling me by mid season, everyone's like, this guy
19:54
Speaker 1: can't play. I think we would just write them off
19:56
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven and you go, someone else is
19:58
Speaker 1: gonna be the starter, because that's how the league works now,
20:01
Speaker 1: and these coaches, no one wants to get tied down.
20:04
Speaker 1: No coach has like four or five year runways anymore,
20:09
Speaker 1: especially guys with no resume in the sense of like
20:13
Speaker 1: I haven't won big, I don't have Super Bowls. I've
20:15
Speaker 1: just been an assistant coach. I've been a head coach before.
20:17
Speaker 1: I lost all the time. And what undid Salah the
20:20
Speaker 1: first time they instead of keeping Sam Darnold and just
20:25
Speaker 1: easing their way in, they drafted Zach Wilson and it
20:29
Speaker 1: blew up in their face and then they got thrown
20:31
Speaker 1: a lifeline. Any tours Achilles and quarterback did them in
20:37
Speaker 1: If you would have give them the year Rogers towards Achilles,
20:40
Speaker 1: just like a Baker Mayfield level player. They would have
20:43
Speaker 1: won eleven games. Hell, they won seven that year because
20:47
Speaker 1: their defense was elite. Like the guy can coach. But
20:51
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells
20:54
Speaker 1: or Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan. If you got no quarterback,
20:58
Speaker 1: you got no chance in this league. Zero. It is
21:03
Speaker 1: so quarterback dependent, so quarterback driven. It's like in the NBA,
21:07
Speaker 1: if you don't have a star player, like I don't
21:09
Speaker 1: even talk about you, you're just irrelevant. And even if
21:12
Speaker 1: you have a star player, you're not guaranteed anything. But
21:14
Speaker 1: that's the only chance to get a seat, you know,
21:16
Speaker 1: at the table, right and the only way to compete.
21:19
Speaker 1: Like a huge part of the Chiefs last year is
21:21
Speaker 1: like they had some issues, but like Patrick didn't play
21:24
Speaker 1: that well. You know, now I know Orlovsky thinks Drake
21:28
Speaker 1: May's better than the guy. It's like, Dan, we get it.
21:32
Speaker 1: You know you love Drake. I don't know. You guys
21:34
Speaker 1: both on the same cea kind of world. But and
21:37
Speaker 1: I'm pro Drake May. But you know, Patrick Mahomes like
21:40
Speaker 1: doesn't play well. If Patrick Mahomes plays well, the Chiefs
21:42
Speaker 1: are a lot to be good, but Josh Allen plays well.
21:45
Speaker 1: The Bills are good. Every year when Lamar Jackson dominates,
21:48
Speaker 1: they dominate. Like this. If you just guy play solid,
21:52
Speaker 1: you're good unless you're like Dak and you have a
21:54
Speaker 1: historically bad defense. But the Titans have an excellent defensive coach,
22:00
Speaker 1: so over the course of the next couple of years,
22:01
Speaker 1: their defense will be good. You can set that in stone.
22:06
Speaker 1: Their defense is going to be good. But I can
22:08
Speaker 1: give you a good defense. If your quarterback play is
22:10
Speaker 1: bottom five in the league, you will lose. We've seen
22:13
Speaker 1: the Browns have with Jim Schwartz elite defenses and have
22:17
Speaker 1: quarterback play beside Joe Flacco did ruin their season. So
22:21
Speaker 1: I just got the cam Ward situation red flagged. It's early,
22:27
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22:29
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23:52
Speaker 1: nuggets I was thinking about because I saw some highlights
23:54
Speaker 1: speaking of the Jets and Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson made
23:57
Speaker 1: some excellent throws look like a cable quarterback, and we
24:00
Speaker 1: give so much credit to these young, young offensive hot shots, right.
24:05
Speaker 1: The league's full of them, even last year. Liam Cohen,
24:08
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, the next generations of McVeigh, Kyle and Kevin
24:13
Speaker 1: O'Connell are here and they deserved. Like you would take
24:16
Speaker 1: that crew, guys, if Liam Cohen was the head coach
24:20
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys or the head coach of the Bears
24:21
Speaker 1: or the head coach of the forty nine ers, we
24:23
Speaker 1: would talk about him ten times more. What he has
24:25
Speaker 1: done the last two years of Baker Mayfield and Trevor
24:27
Speaker 1: Lawrence was fucking awesome. What Ben Johnson did last year
24:31
Speaker 1: with the Bears was like their value is just tangible. Right.
24:36
Speaker 1: You see not only their offensive ingenuity, but you just
24:38
Speaker 1: see how different the quarterback looks. Like as the season
24:42
Speaker 1: goes on and McVeigh and Kyle, Kevin O'Connell, with Sam
24:47
Speaker 1: Darnold and obviously Kirk Cousins, it's like when JJ camp play,
24:52
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's JJ. It's not Kevin O'Connell. I've
24:55
Speaker 1: seen Kevin O'Connell work, Like this is you, buddy. Like
24:58
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not a big racing fan, but it's like
25:02
Speaker 1: if Lewis Hamilton, like it's probably not Lewis's probably the car. Right,
25:05
Speaker 1: you give him a great car, probably gonna win. You know,
25:08
Speaker 1: sometimes in golf, like sometimes a Tiger Woods he pumps
25:11
Speaker 1: out of bound. It's not always the club. And I
25:14
Speaker 1: just look at Kellen Moore and I go, I do
25:16
Speaker 1: think he's probably better than anyone talks him about. He
25:19
Speaker 1: goes to the Cowboys, the quarterback coach Dak Prescott starts
25:22
Speaker 1: establishing himself as one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
25:25
Speaker 1: He becomes the offensive coordinator, The offense is awesome. Then
25:28
Speaker 1: he goes to the Eagles and they win the Super Bowl,
25:32
Speaker 1: Jalen's fantastic take on Barkley, shattering records. Then a year later,
25:37
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, he takes a twenty
25:40
Speaker 1: five year old rookie and by the offseas, everyone's going,
25:42
Speaker 1: this team's gonna compete to win the division. And then
25:45
Speaker 1: I watched him coach Zach Wilson. And again I'm not
25:50
Speaker 1: acting like Zach Wilson's gonna resurrect his career and become
25:53
Speaker 1: Baker mayfielder Sam Darnold, But he looked as capable as
25:56
Speaker 1: he had in years. And I I think sometimes brands,
26:01
Speaker 1: like when you coach for the Lakers or the Knicks.
26:03
Speaker 1: We just talk about you more when you're coaching for
26:05
Speaker 1: the Yankees or the Dodgers, or you're coaching for the
26:07
Speaker 1: Cowboys or the Eagles. Like, we're gonna talk about Sirianni
26:10
Speaker 1: way more than most coaches because of the market, the brand,
26:15
Speaker 1: just the arena he's in, and some guys get the
26:17
Speaker 1: fly uder the radar. Back to Liam Cohen, right, you
26:20
Speaker 1: coach the Jags, was probably not gonna discuss you as
26:22
Speaker 1: much as the Patriots. Well that's just the way it goes,
26:26
Speaker 1: you know. And I just wonder if Kellen Moore right
26:29
Speaker 1: now is kind of a sleeper said this forever. He
26:34
Speaker 1: is definitely one of the best college players I've ever
26:39
Speaker 1: seen live. I do believe thinking about it, He's definitely
26:43
Speaker 1: a top ten college player I've ever seen. I'm just
26:46
Speaker 1: talking about them in college, right, the version of like
26:50
Speaker 1: when people talk about Barry Sanders, like, you know, he
26:52
Speaker 1: ran for twenty five hundred yards in eleven games. You know,
26:56
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, pretty good. Right. If you watch
26:59
Speaker 1: like Cam Newton in college, or Johnny Manziel or Tim
27:02
Speaker 1: Tebow or just Jadevion Klown, some of these players are
27:05
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't get any more dominant than that.
27:07
Speaker 1: Like Baker Mayfield. If you watch a guy at Oklahoma,
27:09
Speaker 1: you're like, guy's fucking incredible. It doesn't guarantee you're gonna
27:13
Speaker 1: be a great player at the next level. But Kellen
27:15
Speaker 1: Moore was short for quarterbacks, had a weak arm, couldn't
27:20
Speaker 1: really run, and yet every single game was throwing like
27:22
Speaker 1: four or five touchdowns and his teams were winning sixty
27:25
Speaker 1: to ten every single week. I think he lost like
27:27
Speaker 1: less than five games in his college career. He's also
27:31
Speaker 1: a coach's son. He also got into coaching basically while
27:34
Speaker 1: he was playing. It's like risk broke, He's like, yeah,
27:37
Speaker 1: just transitioned to be assistant quarterback coach. One of those
27:40
Speaker 1: things like destined to do it. And we're lucky right
27:43
Speaker 1: now in football. We have some of these guys that
27:45
Speaker 1: have grown up around it. Either their dads are in
27:48
Speaker 1: the NFL or college or prominent high school coaches, and
27:51
Speaker 1: they are just junkies. And I just part of the
27:55
Speaker 1: reason I'm high on the Saints. I'm just a believer
27:58
Speaker 1: in the power of that position, and you gotta have
28:01
Speaker 1: the talent. Like there's still some unknown with Tyler Shuck
28:05
Speaker 1: did textan assistant on the staff. He's like, I think
28:07
Speaker 1: we're gonna be pretty good. He's like, we practice against
28:10
Speaker 1: the Jags and I feel pretty good coming out of
28:12
Speaker 1: that joint practice. So you know where I stand on them.
28:15
Speaker 1: But I do think this guy's a little underrated. The
28:20
Speaker 1: other thing is the power of getting the right coordinator
28:24
Speaker 1: is whenever your head coach, like Brian shott Nimer is
28:26
Speaker 1: calling the offense, so whoever his McCarthy was like this, Shanahan,
28:31
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Andy, whoever, all the offensive guys, getting the
28:35
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator right makes or breaks them that guy when
28:39
Speaker 1: they can just not ever have to micromanage and just
28:41
Speaker 1: let them run the show. Ideally, it's an established guy,
28:45
Speaker 1: you know, like Kevin O'Connell's Flores. When you see Jackson
28:48
Speaker 1: Dark get lit up like a Christmas tree, it's like, yeah,
28:51
Speaker 1: Flora's got you know, a fucking elite athlete blitzing one
28:55
Speaker 1: on one with a running back who's out of position.
28:57
Speaker 1: Good luck, right, you give the right players. It's on fanjio.
29:03
Speaker 1: Guess what. The Eagles are gonna be awesome on defense
29:05
Speaker 1: this year. Some of these younger coordinators you never really
29:08
Speaker 1: know and the preseason, by no means is the way
29:12
Speaker 1: to give the guy a passing grade. You got to
29:15
Speaker 1: prove it in the season against the best offensive coordinators
29:17
Speaker 1: on a weekend, week out basis. But I do think
29:19
Speaker 1: we could judge some basic things. And I'm watching the
29:22
Speaker 1: Cowboy Seattle game a bunch of backups, and I was
29:25
Speaker 1: just after the game ended. I was kind of scrolling
29:28
Speaker 1: around and one of the guys I follow on Twitter
29:32
Speaker 1: had tweeted this out because Todd Archer, who covers the
29:35
Speaker 1: Cowboys I think for ESPN, said normally there are a
29:37
Speaker 1: ton of miscuse, alignment mistakes, poor tackling, but there has
29:41
Speaker 1: been very little of that so far in camp, let
29:45
Speaker 1: alone this game in twenty twenty six, And Bobby Belt,
29:49
Speaker 1: who I follow here on Twitter, quoted the tweet. He
29:52
Speaker 1: said last year in the first preseason game, the Cowboys
29:55
Speaker 1: would go on to be the worst defense in the
29:57
Speaker 1: history of the league. Had nineteen missed in the preseason opener.
30:03
Speaker 1: How many offensive STAPs are there? I think I saw
30:05
Speaker 1: Sirianni say they only had forty plays, so it depends
30:08
Speaker 1: game to game, but nineteen tackles, I mean, if you
30:11
Speaker 1: have sixty plays, that's a fucking third next gen stats
30:15
Speaker 1: last night in the Cowboys game had them with zero misstackles.
30:22
Speaker 1: You get in life what you emphasize. I would be
30:25
Speaker 1: one skinnier if I ate better. Some of the people
30:30
Speaker 1: everyone I know that is in great shape, They eat
30:32
Speaker 1: really healthy. It's not just working out, not really just
30:35
Speaker 1: the bright peptides. It's what you put in your body.
30:40
Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to be good at anything emphasizes that
30:44
Speaker 1: specific thing. Whenever I see Shanahan McVeigh, Why have their
30:48
Speaker 1: teams always been bad on special teams because they don't
30:50
Speaker 1: give a shit, They don't care. If they did, they
30:55
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as bad. Why was Belichick's team always good
30:58
Speaker 1: on special teams? Because the guy loves these fucking special teams,
31:01
Speaker 1: Like you know, why do you think? I mean, it
31:05
Speaker 1: means a lot to them. And you bring in this
31:08
Speaker 1: new coordinator to bringing you know, his fangio assistant before
31:14
Speaker 1: you can figure out how to run exotic schemes, right
31:17
Speaker 1: before you can figure out even with Ty Simpson, what
31:21
Speaker 1: was the main play that went viral yesterday with multiple
31:24
Speaker 1: of his throws. It was the play action boot to
31:27
Speaker 1: the right throw with the tight end or wide receiver
31:29
Speaker 1: coming across the middle of the field, which in the
31:31
Speaker 1: Shanahan Kubiak McVeigh, Kevin O'Connell, the staple offensive play that
31:36
Speaker 1: if your quarterback is good, is a layup throw is
31:40
Speaker 1: a first down insert the team. They ran that over
31:44
Speaker 1: and over, And if you can't hit that play, you
31:47
Speaker 1: got no chance to hit all the harder plays. You
31:50
Speaker 1: got no chance to be good. To defense, I mean none.
31:54
Speaker 1: If you can't tackle, that's before we get to well.
31:56
Speaker 1: You run zone coverage, you run man coverage, you blitz
31:58
Speaker 1: a lot. How great you're defensive line. Obviously all that
32:01
Speaker 1: stuff matters, it's all part of it. But if you
32:04
Speaker 1: do not tackle, well, it's like on offense, can you block?
32:07
Speaker 1: Because if you can't block, we can't even really have
32:10
Speaker 1: a discussion. You go, this is the worst offensive line
32:12
Speaker 1: in the league. You know what I'll say, offense is
32:14
Speaker 1: not gonna be that great. Look at the Eagles two
32:16
Speaker 1: years ago, everyone you want to egg Kevin Patola's house.
32:19
Speaker 1: I get it. The offense was tough to watch, but
32:22
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago they manhandled everyone to line
32:24
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, running it down their throats. Last year didn't
32:28
Speaker 1: take one Barkley get hit in the backfield more than
32:30
Speaker 1: any other player in the league. It's like, you know,
32:33
Speaker 1: these scenes go hand in hand. So when I see
32:35
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and I gets it's a preseason game, but
32:37
Speaker 1: just clearly I would guess in practice. One of the
32:41
Speaker 1: number one emphasis back to OTA's before Pats came, came on,
32:45
Speaker 1: we're going to tackle, We're gonna fly to the ball.
32:48
Speaker 1: I saw Signetty talk about that. He's like. One thing
32:50
Speaker 1: we did a great job of last year was when
32:53
Speaker 1: the initial defender would make contact within milliseconds, there'd be
32:58
Speaker 1: three or four more guys there because it's harder to
33:01
Speaker 1: miss tackles when you got your friends around you. Like
33:04
Speaker 1: this isn't the art of war. Take strengths first weaknesses,
33:08
Speaker 1: and make sure your weaknesses avoid their strengths. Like most
33:10
Speaker 1: of life, most of business, most of football isn't that complicated. Obviously,
33:16
Speaker 1: there are complicated there's some great trick plays and crazy blitzes.
33:21
Speaker 1: But if this guy, you know where I stand on
33:24
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I'm high on part of it. I'm just
33:25
Speaker 1: betting their defense canna be solid. If you tell me,
33:28
Speaker 1: they just become a solid tackling team. They have way
33:30
Speaker 1: more talent. I like my chances now on like an
33:34
Speaker 1: individual week in week out basis, if they're playing the
33:37
Speaker 1: Rams or they're playing whoever the Liam Cohen, can he
33:41
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with them? We'll find out. But
33:43
Speaker 1: if you can just open field tackle, at least you
33:46
Speaker 1: give him a chance. So props to that guy. Christian
33:49
Speaker 1: Parker's dame I talked about the Jaden story with Colin.
33:54
Speaker 1: I would say, my, you just it's very rare in
33:58
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six to have universally everyone on the same page.
34:03
Speaker 1: Like beside Ryan Clark, who defended Jayden, of course, but
34:07
Speaker 1: he's like, wow, there's about two sides of the story.
34:09
Speaker 1: Even though every former LSU player is like, clown, what
34:12
Speaker 1: are you doing? Every person with a brain's like, this
34:14
Speaker 1: is the stupidest controversy I've ever seen. And I do
34:20
Speaker 1: think when clearly his mom, who's his agent, is his
34:23
Speaker 1: management team, when Jayden puts out the statement of my
34:27
Speaker 1: team will handle it like, bro, it's you, like you
34:32
Speaker 1: need to tell your team this can't happen. And I think,
34:39
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people think his mom's a
34:41
Speaker 1: lot to deal with, And clearly I've always defended parents
34:45
Speaker 1: and wives or just people's family members when they get
34:50
Speaker 1: into it with people of games or get into it
34:52
Speaker 1: with people on Twitter. Of course they do. They're emotionally
34:54
Speaker 1: invested in this. That's their husband, that's their son, that's
34:59
Speaker 1: their brother who's you don't think they're gonna have their back,
35:02
Speaker 1: Like they're not looking at this. You know, there's a
35:06
Speaker 1: connection here emotionally, spiritually for your blood. Like it's a
35:11
Speaker 1: lot different than like, hey, my lawyer represents me. He'd
35:13
Speaker 1: also dropped me, you know. You know, if I don't
35:16
Speaker 1: pay see you later. And I think part of being
35:19
Speaker 1: a grown up is you get to a point in
35:23
Speaker 1: time in life where most of us get to a
35:27
Speaker 1: point where our parents stops speaking for us. And I
35:33
Speaker 1: think you need to take accountability as a human being
35:36
Speaker 1: of like now this was me piss me off, which
35:40
Speaker 1: again it's your prerogative. You want to get pissed off
35:42
Speaker 1: or not, even if everyone thinks it's stupid. And it's
35:45
Speaker 1: also a good life lesson of the guy that made
35:48
Speaker 1: the promise to you is no longer there. He got
35:52
Speaker 1: fired last year in the middle of the season, and
35:54
Speaker 1: they paid him. I forget what they give. Brian Kelly
35:57
Speaker 1: sixty million, seventy million dollars to pack his office in
36:00
Speaker 1: the leaf or to pack up his office, and the
36:03
Speaker 1: leaf told him to get the bleep out of there.
36:06
Speaker 1: And Lane Kiffin, who is I mean as trustworthy as
36:13
Speaker 1: like the mountain lion behind the tree when you're going
36:16
Speaker 1: on a hike, like good luck trusting that thing. We
36:18
Speaker 1: won't attack. Good luck trusted Lane Kiffin's work. So when
36:22
Speaker 1: the kid and I don't blame Lane on this, when
36:24
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I was promised number five. Brian did
36:26
Speaker 1: give it to me last year, and I'm sure he
36:27
Speaker 1: all said this. If I don't get it, I'm gonna
36:29
Speaker 1: transfer somewhere else, because you know why, I was a
36:32
Speaker 1: top ten overall recruit last year. I was. I heard
36:35
Speaker 1: someone that covers LSU say he was pretty good last
36:37
Speaker 1: year for like, clearly this guy is a legit player.
36:40
Speaker 1: And guess what happens in college. A lot numbers get
36:44
Speaker 1: reused all the time because the numbers belonged to the program,
36:48
Speaker 1: and ultimately the program now for jays. And this is
36:51
Speaker 1: also the nil era where yeah, he's a mercenary, he
36:55
Speaker 1: was paid money, won the heisman. They didn't win enough games.
36:58
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly gets fired. Everyone's can be bought. It's why
37:03
Speaker 1: you think. You see a lot of these older LSU
37:05
Speaker 1: players who went there out of high school, who view
37:08
Speaker 1: that program, their teammates, the Baton rouge at night Tiger Stadium,
37:16
Speaker 1: the colors as part of their inner being now, like
37:23
Speaker 1: it's a huge part of their life. And if you
37:25
Speaker 1: were gonna pick a program to try to send a
37:29
Speaker 1: cease and assist letter sue and get your Heisman trophy
37:33
Speaker 1: back from as just an individual who isn't I mean,
37:38
Speaker 1: had a great year and was viewed very highly, but
37:40
Speaker 1: like a program could turn on you. LSU might be
37:44
Speaker 1: the number one draft pick of Like I don't think
37:45
Speaker 1: I want them coming after me. At the end of
37:48
Speaker 1: the day, they don't need you. And you could argue
37:50
Speaker 1: Jayden doesn't need them. There's probably some truth to that.
37:53
Speaker 1: If he goes on to have a great NFL career,
37:54
Speaker 1: make a bunch of money, none of it will matter,
37:58
Speaker 1: right if LSU disowns them and he owns LSU, But
38:02
Speaker 1: they will not skip a beat that this is not
38:04
Speaker 1: Fresno State in the car family, you know, this is
38:07
Speaker 1: not Boise State and Kellen Moore and Chris Peterson. This
38:11
Speaker 1: is LSU who has won. They literally have a quarterback
38:15
Speaker 1: in the league that is in a different universe than
38:18
Speaker 1: you in terms of accomplishment because he also won the Heisman.
38:20
Speaker 1: Oh yes, team didn't win. He had the best season
38:23
Speaker 1: ever and he won the national championship and even you
38:26
Speaker 1: listen to him. I saw Burros comment, He's like, yeah,
38:29
Speaker 1: they told me they wouldn't use nine again, but you know,
38:32
Speaker 1: no guarantee. I think most people's reaction was right. This
38:38
Speaker 1: feels kind of trivial, especially in a sport that constantly
38:42
Speaker 1: has to reuse the number because there's so many guys
38:44
Speaker 1: on a team that there's a reason why colleges have
38:48
Speaker 1: multiple guys with the same number on the same team,
38:50
Speaker 1: one guys on offense and one guys on defense, because
38:52
Speaker 1: you don't have enough numbers. And I think LSU has
38:56
Speaker 1: in writing they don't retire numbers. But I think this
38:59
Speaker 1: all gets back to like once you hit a certain
39:01
Speaker 1: point in life, like I speak for myself right, and
39:05
Speaker 1: I never have an issue with parents negotiating contracts or
39:10
Speaker 1: even when contracts get very contentious with normal agents, like
39:14
Speaker 1: it is business, but in this situation, it's not really business.
39:19
Speaker 1: You wore five, you played there, you had a great season,
39:22
Speaker 1: your team went nine to three, which at LSU was
39:25
Speaker 1: extremely disappointing, which wasn't your fault, and you were told
39:30
Speaker 1: something that ended up not being true. It's just not
39:33
Speaker 1: that big a deal. But dact like I have nothing
39:35
Speaker 1: to do with your team's just going rogue. Because your
39:38
Speaker 1: team is, then it's time to get a new team.
39:41
Speaker 1: So I just think it's a good life lesson, Like eventually,
39:45
Speaker 1: as men, we got to be grown ups. And I'm
39:48
Speaker 1: all for parents being huge influences in people's lives, but ultimately,
39:54
Speaker 1: you're the cash count, especially in this situation. You are
39:58
Speaker 1: the star. You are the name, not them. She needs you,
40:05
Speaker 1: right if she if she stopped being your agent tomorrow,
40:09
Speaker 1: there'd be ten Drew Rosenhouse c AA. They'd be lined up.
40:14
Speaker 1: He'd be fine. Does she have any other clients? I
40:17
Speaker 1: feel like I'm shitting on her, But everyone that I
40:21
Speaker 1: know thinks that she's leading the charge on this, and
40:23
Speaker 1: Jaden goes along and she kind of dictates, like it's
40:26
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing, especially like it'd be one thing if
40:30
Speaker 1: your rookie, it's like whatever, he's young, he's green, you've
40:33
Speaker 1: been in a league, you're going into year three, she's
40:36
Speaker 1: pretty right or diar give her that though. Okay, let's
40:51
Speaker 1: read a couple of mailback questions and get out of here.
40:55
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this guy yet, but Vikings fan
40:59
Speaker 1: painful in fun all at once. I was always skeptical
41:02
Speaker 1: with JJ, and I think time has proved me right.
41:05
Speaker 1: I almost feel bad for the guy, as I really
41:08
Speaker 1: don't believe he was a Day one selection. I don't
41:10
Speaker 1: think he falls into the Lance bucket of bus, but
41:14
Speaker 1: rather he should have been looked at like a Colt
41:16
Speaker 1: McCoy or Matt Liner. And I'm just trying to wonder,
41:21
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on that.
41:24
Speaker 1: While JJ may have some physical gifts, some more than
41:27
Speaker 1: those guys, relatively speaking to today's quarterbacks, he's much more
41:31
Speaker 1: like a third or fourth round pick. I only mention
41:34
Speaker 1: this as many of JJ Truther's in our fan base
41:37
Speaker 1: go back to the fact that he was a tenth
41:38
Speaker 1: overall pick and should be given ample time. We got
41:42
Speaker 1: back to back what we haven't talked about J McCarthy.
41:44
Speaker 1: How is koc escaping accountability for the Vikings quarterback he drafted?
41:47
Speaker 1: JJ lived behind an NFL in college. Who's behind an
41:50
Speaker 1: NFL team in college and never had to actually win
41:53
Speaker 1: the game. I don't for one minute believe the GM
41:56
Speaker 1: drove that decision. Dartle played great, the Vikings decided not
41:59
Speaker 1: to lock the Rams, the genius O'Connell chose JJ over Sam,
42:04
Speaker 1: even though Sam agreed to a reasonable contract with Seattle.
42:08
Speaker 1: I think these things are all interconnected. There's no way
42:11
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy would have been drafted without Kevin O'Connell on board. Now,
42:16
Speaker 1: unless you were in the room, only those guys truly
42:19
Speaker 1: know who one guy convinced the other guy how that
42:22
Speaker 1: exactly worked. You also, like sometimes contract negotiations, it's not
42:29
Speaker 1: Kevin's money. So even if he thinks we should give
42:31
Speaker 1: Sam a little bit more money, maybe he didn't have
42:34
Speaker 1: the juice internally to pull that off. Maybe he just
42:37
Speaker 1: let the GM that's his jobs. Like the GM doesn't
42:40
Speaker 1: tell the coach how to call plays, and then a
42:41
Speaker 1: backfires and you lose them. You then get Daniel Jones.
42:44
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of variables in that.
42:46
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell definitely was part of the decision. I do
42:50
Speaker 1: think I'm in agreement with I wouldn't even go as
42:53
Speaker 1: far as third it wasn't that long ago. I think
42:57
Speaker 1: the best comp for these guys are like in twenty fourteen,
43:04
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and Derek Carr went in the second round,
43:07
Speaker 1: and there was way less pressure on both guys. Derek
43:11
Speaker 1: went on to be a ten year starter. Obviously, Jimmy
43:13
Speaker 1: once he came to the Niners, started you know, several
43:16
Speaker 1: years and made a bunch of money. JJ McCarthy is
43:21
Speaker 1: in that world. I'm not talking about his college experience.
43:23
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about his skill set. Actually, he's not
43:27
Speaker 1: as good as those guys, because by year two Derek
43:30
Speaker 1: Carr was just solid, and I think by year three
43:34
Speaker 1: it was clear like people were trying to trade first
43:36
Speaker 1: and second round picks for Jimmy Garoppolo. I think part
43:40
Speaker 1: of getting drafted at ten it's harder for fans, and
43:44
Speaker 1: historically it's been harder for teams to go, yeah, we
43:48
Speaker 1: just overdrafted this guy's skill set. And I've been saying this,
43:51
Speaker 1: just because you have the skill set, Anthony Richson, We've
43:56
Speaker 1: seen historically a lot of guys JaMarcus Russell whoever. Doesn't
44:00
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna be a good player, but at least
44:02
Speaker 1: you go well, it turns out Anthea Riston couldn't figure
44:04
Speaker 1: out how to play quarterback, but no one ever argued
44:07
Speaker 1: it wasn't because he didn't have a good enough arm
44:08
Speaker 1: or couldn't move. It's like not healthy, can't read defenses.
44:12
Speaker 1: It's just a disaster. But like, physically, he fit the mold.
44:16
Speaker 1: And this is why drafting is so hard, and sometimes
44:19
Speaker 1: you draft like a Christian Ponder in the top top fifteen.
44:23
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy clearly does have the physical attributes,
44:26
Speaker 1: and I think JJ's somewhere in the middle, but the
44:30
Speaker 1: pressure of being a high pick when clearly he's just
44:32
Speaker 1: not good enough is extremely evident. I watched some of
44:35
Speaker 1: his throws and made a nice one, also had a
44:38
Speaker 1: bad miss. He's just not very good at football right
44:42
Speaker 1: now relative to NFL starters, and he's not physically talented
44:46
Speaker 1: enough to be like, well, he's gonna miss some throws,
44:48
Speaker 1: but he'll also hit some sweet pat plays and make
44:51
Speaker 1: some plays with his legs because he can't really do that.
44:53
Speaker 1: So you're kind of stuck in no man's land and
44:55
Speaker 1: you're just holding on to this. This guy was a
44:57
Speaker 1: high pick, but they're not holding up of that anymore
45:01
Speaker 1: because in the new NFL Loo. The fans get bitch
45:03
Speaker 1: all they want, They've already done it. They moved on.
45:06
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked. Where you know, Carson Wentz
45:11
Speaker 1: played a decent amount and I think the was it Brosma,
45:13
Speaker 1: the b YU guy. Why wouldn't JJ just play the
45:15
Speaker 1: entire game? Once? You know, if you want to start
45:18
Speaker 1: Kyler for a series or two, why wouldn't JAJ? If
45:21
Speaker 1: you're not, If you're not gonna put him on ice
45:22
Speaker 1: and try to trade him, you're cool with him playing
45:24
Speaker 1: the game, why not just play him at every rep
45:28
Speaker 1: if you're because if you're willing to play him, you're
45:30
Speaker 1: willing for him to get hurt. You're not guaranteed to
45:33
Speaker 1: trade him. Why I would just why would Carson Wentz
45:35
Speaker 1: even need a rep? I would just play J J
45:39
Speaker 1: McCarthy every snap that Kyler doesn't play and the starters
45:42
Speaker 1: don't play, he would get every single snap. That's where
45:45
Speaker 1: it confused me. I haven't watched O'Connell's press conference. Maybe
45:49
Speaker 1: he talked about that, but that's what I would do. Okay,
45:54
Speaker 1: a couple other quick questions. This is a question the
45:58
Speaker 1: Bengals missed the playoffs and the Niner season ends early.
46:01
Speaker 1: What do you think about Burrow for Purty and picks
46:03
Speaker 1: with a trade? To me, this would be exactly like
46:06
Speaker 1: Stafford and Goff. We're a long way away from that.
46:10
Speaker 1: I am just not convinced that the Bengals have any
46:15
Speaker 1: desire to trade Joe Burrow zero their coach with Joe
46:21
Speaker 1: Burrow's got two years left easy because if this year's underwhelming,
46:25
Speaker 1: they'll fire the coach. I would be stunned, and I'm
46:30
Speaker 1: not stunned by much in life, let alone football. I
46:33
Speaker 1: think Joe Burrow is gonna be on the Bengals in
46:36
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven no matter what. I have a question
46:39
Speaker 1: for the mailbag some nice words. Secondly, I saw Jim
46:43
Speaker 1: Harbaugh on the Herd today while you were on with Colin.
46:46
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Harbaugh? To me, I think
46:48
Speaker 1: there's not a more overhyped coach in the league. At
46:51
Speaker 1: what point will he deliver the Chargers heading into year three?
46:54
Speaker 1: I feel like there's an excuse. His time as the
46:56
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers didn't end well. When he was in Michigan,
46:59
Speaker 1: his tenure with the National Championship, it was proven that
47:02
Speaker 1: he cheated and he was paying from college football all
47:04
Speaker 1: I hear in the media is how great Herbert is.
47:07
Speaker 1: He is the greatest quarterback to never do or achieve
47:09
Speaker 1: anything great in college or the NFL won the Rose Bowl.
47:13
Speaker 1: I know, Colin. Most of the media worships Jim this
47:17
Speaker 1: notion that the Chargers haven't how'd you exactly say it?
47:23
Speaker 1: At what point will he delivered for the charters? He
47:26
Speaker 1: literally Harbaugh has under Brandon Staley. They lost a Thursday
47:30
Speaker 1: night game like seventy to ten to the Raiders. It
47:33
Speaker 1: was an embarrassment. They've made the playoffs two years in
47:36
Speaker 1: a row. Last year they made the playoffs and other
47:39
Speaker 1: starting tackles and their quarterback had a broken wrist. To me,
47:43
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, Yeah, he's not Walsh or Belichick, not just
47:47
Speaker 1: rattling off super bowls. He's pretty fucking good. When Jim
47:50
Speaker 1: Harbour's your head coach, you're gonna win. Now, win doesn't
47:53
Speaker 1: mean being a super Bowl, but when you are gonna
47:56
Speaker 1: be playing in January? What would like half of the
47:58
Speaker 1: league do to sign up for that? Every single year?
48:01
Speaker 1: In the playoffs. I don't think Jim Harba's overhyped. I
48:05
Speaker 1: think he's properly hyped because I don't think anyone views
48:07
Speaker 1: him as like the greatest things in sliced bread, but
48:10
Speaker 1: anyone acting like he's overrated, like I he literally just
48:14
Speaker 1: always wins, stealing signs like everyone's stealing signs. Stealing signs
48:20
Speaker 1: is the most overhyped controversy in the history of controversies.
48:24
Speaker 1: Everyone does it, you know. It's like some of these
48:26
Speaker 1: issues like eighty twenty issues like sure introduce me to
48:31
Speaker 1: those twenty. This is one of those internally that is
48:34
Speaker 1: one hundred zero. Everyone does it. Now to what levels?
48:39
Speaker 1: We could argue that, but come on, guys, Herbert Fair,
48:44
Speaker 1: He's got to play well in the playoffs the big
48:46
Speaker 1: year for justin big playoffs for sure, longtime listener, this
48:52
Speaker 1: is my wife's just to lead to my socials. I
48:56
Speaker 1: think Haines King is gonna take Bryce Young's job. His
48:58
Speaker 1: ability to run with Rico Dawdle is gonna be some
49:02
Speaker 1: good football. My question is what would be a goal
49:05
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs this year? Ah, the Chiefs win a
49:07
Speaker 1: playoff game. I think making the playoffs is a great turner,
49:10
Speaker 1: and they went six to ten. They got a bunch
49:12
Speaker 1: of rookies. If they get to the first rund of
49:14
Speaker 1: the playoffs, as a wild guard. Even if they were
49:17
Speaker 1: to lose, that would be a good Like, Okay, we
49:19
Speaker 1: got this thing back on. We need some more reinforcements.
49:24
Speaker 1: I'd even argue ten and seven, Like, if you went
49:27
Speaker 1: ten and seven and you missed the playoffs by a game, like,
49:30
Speaker 1: that's a good season. I think ten and seven anything
49:33
Speaker 1: above more than likely ten gets you in. But you
49:35
Speaker 1: never know. I do think ten and seven is the
49:39
Speaker 1: minimum to be a good season, though, Uh, I just
49:45
Speaker 1: don't know if Haines King. I know he had pretty
49:47
Speaker 1: good numbers in the Hall of Fame game, but Bryce
49:50
Speaker 1: is a better thrower the football. If you combine the
49:53
Speaker 1: two players you tugging, you'd be cooking with gas. He's
50:01
Speaker 1: a better Hey, I watched a decent amount of Georgia
50:03
Speaker 1: Tech because they were good. But yeah, I mean, he's
50:07
Speaker 1: definitely a very intriguing player. Is going to take his job.
50:10
Speaker 1: I mean, Bryce Young's a number one pick in the draft,
50:13
Speaker 1: just had some big games down the stretch in a
50:15
Speaker 1: team that was right there in the playoff game with
50:18
Speaker 1: the Rams. But I like where're going? Okay. Last question
50:25
Speaker 1: a question about creativity. In your view, how do the
50:28
Speaker 1: best gms and teams think about the concept of creativity
50:32
Speaker 1: and fostering sharing ideas. I knew a lot of guys
50:36
Speaker 1: that work back in the day, like for Ozzie Newsom
50:39
Speaker 1: in the Ravens, and every day during training camp, a
50:43
Speaker 1: different scout would present something and it didn't necessarily have
50:47
Speaker 1: to be on football. It could just be on something
50:50
Speaker 1: they watched or read and it would be like present
50:53
Speaker 1: a concept, a business idea. It could be on football,
50:58
Speaker 1: but basically you had a day where you we're gonna
51:00
Speaker 1: present something to the group. I talked to a buddy
51:03
Speaker 1: yesterday that said they have a bunch of speakers that
51:06
Speaker 1: come by during training camp to talk to the scouting staff.
51:10
Speaker 1: I think John Lynch does some version of like a
51:14
Speaker 1: book report, basically like present something to the group on
51:19
Speaker 1: something you read over the year. I might be screwing
51:23
Speaker 1: that up a little bit, but I think a lot
51:25
Speaker 1: of these front offices and gms during training camp, which
51:28
Speaker 1: is a little more mellow, do stuff like that give
51:32
Speaker 1: their empower their guys to get in front of the
51:34
Speaker 1: group and like lead an idea and bring guys in.
51:38
Speaker 1: You know, coaches do it all the time, like you
51:40
Speaker 1: see John Gruden at Oklahoma's camp. You see you know,
51:45
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson addressing the University of Miami during training camp
51:49
Speaker 1: like that. It's easy with the football team, but I
51:51
Speaker 1: think the scouting department, it's like, hey, theo Epstein was
51:55
Speaker 1: a practice to day, We're gonna can we meet you
51:58
Speaker 1: in the conference room and you talk to us for
52:01
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes and we'll all take notes. That stuff
52:04
Speaker 1: happens a lot. So I think anytime that you can
52:07
Speaker 1: have your group, empower your scouting department, your guys to
52:11
Speaker 1: just present to the group, to show their personality. And again,
52:15
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be football. I think a
52:17
Speaker 1: lot of teams do versions of that. Hey, man, I
52:22
Speaker 1: read this book on you know, Warren Buffett. Here were
52:24
Speaker 1: seven things that stood out to me that could be
52:27
Speaker 1: applicable when we go into schools, when we're talking to players,
52:30
Speaker 1: when we're you know, taking notes on assistant coaches for
52:35
Speaker 1: our staff, you know, things like that doesn't when I
52:37
Speaker 1: say book reports, it sounds like fifth grade, but it's
52:41
Speaker 1: deeper than that. It's about taking things and how they
52:44
Speaker 1: would translate. I think all the good teams do that.
52:48
Speaker 1: You know, you hear stories all the time. People I
52:50
Speaker 1: know with the RAMS definitely the Niners and the Eagles,
52:53
Speaker 1: the Ravens. I would have a guest Tacosta still doing that,
52:56
Speaker 1: having been around Ozzie Schneider is very very curious constantly
53:00
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that to just really to me, it's twofold.
53:05
Speaker 1: It's one, you just never know when a good idea
53:07
Speaker 1: is gonna come out right that you can implement. And
53:09
Speaker 1: two it's like to give guys that I think sometimes
53:12
Speaker 1: feel unheard, right if you're just scouting the Southwest, you
53:17
Speaker 1: just kind of feel like an independent contractor at time,
53:20
Speaker 1: and that's a moment, and maybe the head coach is
53:22
Speaker 1: involved as well sits in those meetings depending on the place,
53:26
Speaker 1: can like foster empowerment. So I think a lot of
53:30
Speaker 1: teams do stuff like that once the season starts. There's
53:32
Speaker 1: not really any time you just you know, drinking from
53:35
Speaker 1: a fire hose. But I think a lot of that
53:36
Speaker 1: stuff happened through an o ta's in a training camp.
53:40
Speaker 1: So then you know, maybe you pick up on something,
53:43
Speaker 1: maybe you add something to the to the you know,
53:50
Speaker 1: scouting manual which is all iPad now as a new category.
53:54
Speaker 1: Over something someone brought to the table. He's like, oh,
53:56
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Does this player, have you know fit
53:59
Speaker 1: the check mark of this again? Whatever that is. It's like,
54:06
Speaker 1: you know, I watched Pirates of the Caribbean. You never know,
54:09
Speaker 1: you know, you take inspiration creativity, I would say from anything.
54:13
Speaker 1: You know, you're always looking for new ideas, and I
54:16
Speaker 1: think when the front office is much different than you know,
54:20
Speaker 1: the coaches, which those guys always talk about. Again, I
54:23
Speaker 1: try to watch everything we do cut up to college,
54:25
Speaker 1: high school. We're just always looking for new ideas, which
54:28
Speaker 1: is schematic and motivation ideas. You know, you hear these
54:32
Speaker 1: viral clips of Sirianni or Mike McDonald, of them presenting
54:37
Speaker 1: you know, the warrior in the flowers or you know whatever.
54:40
Speaker 1: They're just trying to psychologically get you to be motivated
54:49
Speaker 1: with just a different angle of kind of the same concepts.
54:52
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. I mean again, you're dealing with
54:54
Speaker 1: human beings. So we'll be back tomorrow. I appreciate you
54:58
Speaker 1: and talk soon. The volume