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Credlin | 5 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Donald Trump has today done and I
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Speaker 2: think we should have done here in Australia refuse entry
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Speaker 2: to anyone from particular countries that refuse to take their
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Speaker 2: citizens back should they ever need to be deported. I
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Speaker 2: really like this. I think it's common sense and it
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Speaker 2: shows America is serious about its borders. Despite much of
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Speaker 2: the world moving away at least questioning gender affirming practices.
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Speaker 2: Here in Australia, one of our peak medical bodies is
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Speaker 2: embracing it, even recommending the use of the so called
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Speaker 2: gender unicorn with children. I speak to doctor shortly about
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Speaker 2: why we've got our head in the sand and am
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Speaker 2: not looking at some of these international reports against these
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Speaker 2: practices bloss why yesterday's anemic growth numbers are a lot
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Speaker 2: of worry for our economy and why I'm going to
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Speaker 2: see Labor break its election promise to cut immigration. And
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Speaker 2: in a sign the new Look Opposition might be up
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Speaker 2: for a fight, the Shadow cabin has just signed off
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Speaker 2: on their first major policy position, saying no to Labour's supertas.
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Speaker 3: We will definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair supertax
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Speaker 3: of labors every step of the way.
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Speaker 2: But first of all, the government was crowing yesterday about
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Speaker 2: the modest growth in the economy, just zero point two
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Speaker 2: percent in the last quarter. The truth is we're drifting
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Speaker 2: backwards fast as a nation. Here's the treasurer.
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Speaker 4: With all of the uncertainty in the world, any growth
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Speaker 4: is a decent outcome.
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Speaker 2: Only it's not, is it. Because what he does not
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Speaker 2: want to talk about coming out of yesterday's numbers is
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Speaker 2: the fact that as individuals we're actually getting poorer. In
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Speaker 2: aid of the past nine quarters there's been negative growth
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Speaker 2: per capita. That's to say, the average production of Australians
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Speaker 2: has declined, which is why most of us feel poorer,
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Speaker 2: even though the economy as a whole is notionally bigger,
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Speaker 2: just notionally bigger. The basic problem is that the population
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Speaker 2: is growing faster than the economy, and that's because the
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Speaker 2: government can't help itself. Now, for the private sector, once
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Speaker 2: the enjuryroom of our economy, things are tough and they're
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Speaker 2: getting tougher. Labour's union loyalties mean that it's nearly always
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Speaker 2: making it harder for businesses to run themselves without more
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Speaker 2: and more government interference. After all, the unions they donate
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Speaker 2: millions and millions to labor every year, so that when
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Speaker 2: Labour's in government, those favors from the unions get called
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Speaker 2: in for the taxpayer. Labour's big taxing, big spending agenda
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Speaker 2: is only set to get worse as they exploit their
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Speaker 2: massive parliamentary majority and flush with success they didn't think
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Speaker 2: back before the lecture was even remotely possible, they'll go
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Speaker 2: for broke and they'll start to pull out of the
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Speaker 2: bottom drawer all their most hard left policies and for
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Speaker 2: our future or energy security equals national security, Labour's climate
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Speaker 2: obsessions will not only send businesses to the wall and
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Speaker 2: households too as costs continue to skyrocket, but make us
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Speaker 2: vulnerable at a time when the world has not been
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Speaker 2: this perilous for decades, and so with a budget struggling
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Speaker 2: because the economy that underpins our prosperity is struggling, the
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Speaker 2: only way to keep up the pretense politically is to
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Speaker 2: ack a whole lot of spending off budget, which Labour's
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Speaker 2: doing more and more, and to prop up things in
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Speaker 2: terms of overall growth with more and more immigration. While
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Speaker 2: that works on paper, it doesn't really work in reality,
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Speaker 2: does it, Because sustained immigration at record levels puts downward
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Speaker 2: pressure on wages, upwards pressure of course on housing, and
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Speaker 2: all that extra strain on our infrastructure, all of which
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Speaker 2: creates a sense of economic and social malaise, especially if
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Speaker 2: at least some of the recent migrants don't seem keen
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Speaker 2: on fitting in and integrating as their forerunners did in
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Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties and sixties and did so well. And
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Speaker 2: under the Albanezy governor, our economy is becoming less dynamic
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Speaker 2: and more dependent on government. The federal government now comprises
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Speaker 2: about twenty seven percent of GDP. Now, that's up three
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Speaker 2: percentage points since Anthony Albanez was elected. The federal government's
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Speaker 2: welfare bill, in particular, or that surged a record sixteen
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Speaker 2: percent last year to one hundred and sixty seven billion.
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Speaker 2: Welfare spending on age care, disability care and childcare as
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Speaker 2: well as healthcare, well, that's gone from just over thirty
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Speaker 2: billion in the final quarter under the Morrison government to
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Speaker 2: almost forty five billion a quarter. Now that's a forty
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Speaker 2: percent increase. The so called care economy. Our employers some
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Speaker 2: fifteen percent of our workforce, and this is up from
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Speaker 2: just ten percent a decade ago. And it's this expansion
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Speaker 2: of the care economy in part that's responsible for our
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Speaker 2: fighting productivity. Given there's been almost no measured labor productivity
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Speaker 2: growth in the care sector for almost the past two decades,
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Speaker 2: and given the childcare, age care, and disability care is
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Speaker 2: not readily amenable to mechanization and technological improvements, means I
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Speaker 2: can't really lift their productivity. That's hardly surprising. Now. This is, though,
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Speaker 2: an argument for trying to ensure that it's the productive
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Speaker 2: private sector part of our economy rather than the less
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Speaker 2: productive subsidized part of our economy that we put the
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Speaker 2: effort into to expand. Yet the current government, well, it's
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Speaker 2: making work in the care economy more and more attractive
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Speaker 2: via all those big wage increases in age care and childcare,
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Speaker 2: often tied to union membership, that need to be supported
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Speaker 2: by ever increasing government subsidies. This is on top of
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Speaker 2: a bigger and bigger and bigger public service. More generally,
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Speaker 2: figures produced by the IPA think tanks show that in
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Speaker 2: the eight years to August twenty twenty two, seventy seven
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Speaker 2: percent of new employment was in the private sector. By contrast,
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Speaker 2: between August twenty twenty two and August twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: so these are alban easy years, eighty two percent of
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Speaker 2: new employment was in the public sector. So apart from
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Speaker 2: more public servants who now mostly work from home, and
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Speaker 2: apart from more workers in the highly subsidized care economy,
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Speaker 2: what's the economic diningism that we must see under this government. Well,
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Speaker 2: there isn't much. A more conservative economic policy would not
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Speaker 2: neglect the care economy because conservatives want to preserve our
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Speaker 2: social fabric, but it would better appreciate than In the end,
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Speaker 2: it's profitable private businesses, not governments and institutions that have
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Speaker 2: to be subsidized, that are the engine of economic growth.
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Speaker 2: Now there is no magic pudding when it comes to
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Speaker 2: government spending. There's no money tree in the back of
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers garden, which is why there's a reckoning coming
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Speaker 2: to Australia as we fail to live within our means.
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Speaker 2: At the same time as we move to noble or
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Speaker 2: were still shut down some of our most productive industries
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Speaker 2: and export earners. The problem with socialism, as Margaret Thatcher said,
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Speaker 2: is it eventually you run out of other people's money.
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Speaker 2: This is where we are headed unless we wake up.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get the headlines now, skynies political reporter
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Speaker 2: Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 5: Farmers with land in self managed super funds face mounting
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Speaker 5: pressure under proposed changes. The government will double the tax
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Speaker 5: on earnings for balances more than three million dollars. With
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Speaker 5: little cash on hand, some farmers may be forced to
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Speaker 5: sell their land to cover tax bills on unrealized gains.
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Speaker 5: Veteran politicians eligible for older super schemes, including the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 5: will be able to defer payments until they retire.
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Speaker 6: What we need to do is to make sure that
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Speaker 6: our superanuation system is fair. That is what we are
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Speaker 6: setting about to do.
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Speaker 5: Labour needs support in the Senate to pass the legislation.
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Speaker 5: The coalition is now formally opposing the government's model. Green
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Speaker 5: Senator Sarah Hanson Young believes her former colleague Derinda Cox
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Speaker 5: should quit the Senate. Senator Cox left the party this
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Speaker 5: week to join the government.
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Speaker 7: I do think the honorable thing is to resign from
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Speaker 7: the parliament.
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Speaker 5: Senator Cox was the subject of multiple workplace bullying complaints.
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Speaker 5: The Greens have now ended an internal investigation. The government
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Speaker 5: is pushing to secure a free trade deal with the
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Speaker 5: European Union. Trade Minister Don Farrell is holding talks in Europe.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister claims Donald Trump's global trade war could
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Speaker 5: provide the backdrop to secure agreement.
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Speaker 6: If it benefits us, we'll be in it. If it doesn't,
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Speaker 6: we'll continue to not sign up.
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Speaker 5: A trade deal between Australia and Europe fell flat in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now generalist The Day Telegraph, James Willis this guy,
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Speaker 2: News commentator Karli Katson Barnas Well, welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the super tax or the tax on
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Speaker 2: super that being impressed today on the fairness of his plan. Well,
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Speaker 2: there's not anything new here.
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Speaker 6: This has been before the parliament for about two years past. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 6: this is about This has been before the parliament for
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Speaker 6: about two years. What we need to do is to
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Speaker 6: make sure that our superannuation system is fair.
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to get into a bit more of
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Speaker 2: the mechanics in the monment an investments expert. But he
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Speaker 2: was asked a question there. The pointed question was how
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Speaker 2: can you get to defer at Prime Minister? You don't
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Speaker 2: have to pay this tax until you realize your gains.
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Speaker 2: You get the money in your pocket, but farmers and
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Speaker 2: others don't get that they have to pony up money
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Speaker 2: that they don't even have based on this increased value
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Speaker 2: of their asset. Now he couldn't answer that, Caroly. All
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Speaker 2: they could say was, well, it's been in the parliament
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Speaker 2: for some time. That doesn't make it right.
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Speaker 8: It certainly doesn't, Peter. The problem is that it sends
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Speaker 8: out such a wrong message. This is a very evil tax.
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Speaker 8: We know that it will be the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 8: It's going to force people to have to sell any properties,
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Speaker 8: any farms that they may have. You just can't tax
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Speaker 8: people on money and earnings that they haven't actually earned yet.
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Speaker 8: And as you said, it's a very while saying oh,
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Speaker 8: it's been before the parliament for two years, supposedly this
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Speaker 8: is a new parliament. It is a shame during the
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Speaker 8: election campaign that the Liberals didn't get on top of
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Speaker 8: this and actually bring it to the forefront of people's minds,
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Speaker 8: which it seems to be at the moment. But it's
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Speaker 8: not good because we know that when they start with this,
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Speaker 8: it will just continue. And you've got so many great
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Speaker 8: economic minds, Philip Low.
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Speaker 2: You've even got Paul.
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Speaker 8: Keating that are completely against what this government is doing,
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Speaker 8: and yet they're able to just get it through. And
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Speaker 8: it's terrible, terrible message sending out for investment into Australia
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Speaker 8: as well as most importantly for everyday Australians that are
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Speaker 8: working hard, trying not to suck off the teet of
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Speaker 8: the state, and this is just going to break them.
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Speaker 2: What about those numbers yesterday, James I went through them
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Speaker 2: again tonight. The fact that we are in a weak position,
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Speaker 2: we are also in a per capita recession. I don't
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Speaker 2: think enough's been made of the fact that the government's
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Speaker 2: keeping up this pretense out there that we're chugging along,
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Speaker 2: but all they're doing is wacking a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: spending off budget. We know they love to do this,
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Speaker 2: but it's happening at a rate I have never seen.
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Speaker 2: But they're also propping things up with more and more immigration. Now.
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Speaker 2: They said in the election they would rain back their
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Speaker 2: record high migration. I just think there is no chance
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Speaker 2: they're going to do that, because we won't just be
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Speaker 2: in a per capita recession, we will be in an
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Speaker 2: actual recession. And Labor just can't bear that having just
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Speaker 2: won the election.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Peter, there's no doubt that there would be people
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Speaker 9: in Treasury warning that if it wasn't for higher levels
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Speaker 9: of migration, that Australia would be in a full blown recession. Instead,
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Speaker 9: the figures have been largely blurred by as you say,
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Speaker 9: every quarter the migration numbers come out I think monthly sometimes,
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Speaker 9: But in every bit of data I've seen, there has
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Speaker 9: never been a significant or dramatic reduction from what Labor
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Speaker 9: has promised to do to say Okay, we get it,
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Speaker 9: we had to do this, We're actually going to bring
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Speaker 9: it back. We haven't seen that yet. We also know
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Speaker 9: that a large part of the budget and anything that
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Speaker 9: Jim Chalmers talks about is being propped up by record
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Speaker 9: numbers of public servants, huge spending on public servants and
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Speaker 9: also jobs linked to programs like the NDIS. But on
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Speaker 9: the broader issue, I mean, it's one thing for the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister to say, oh, this has been before the parliament.
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Speaker 9: I mean I challenge anyone watching to go home and
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Speaker 9: go onto the Parliamentary website and have a look at
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Speaker 9: some of the ideas and legislation and first readings that
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Speaker 9: are actually before the Parliament have had been inquiries and
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Speaker 9: all that.
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Speaker 10: Sort of stuff.
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Speaker 9: There's ideas out there that doesn't mean just because they're
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Speaker 9: hidden away that it's not suddenly a big issue.
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Speaker 10: It's crazy the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 9: Didn't make this front and center during the election. And
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Speaker 9: I'm also seriously worried once we do get into the
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Speaker 9: weeds of this, just how far it will go if
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Speaker 9: Labour ends up doing a deal with the Greens as
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Speaker 9: has been reported today to get this through the Upper House,
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Speaker 9: and whether it stops at three million dollars and what
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Speaker 9: tax comes next.
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Speaker 2: Well, it might have been in the parliament past the parliament.
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Speaker 2: So I agree with you. If you look at the
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Speaker 2: notice paper any given day, you can find plenty of
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Speaker 2: crackpot ideas that you could say are in the parliament,
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Speaker 2: but they haven't passed the parliament. And look, I want
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Speaker 2: to pick up carollly the point that James makes there.
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Speaker 2: You know why the heck didn't the Coalition go harder
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Speaker 2: on this. I think they needed to get back to
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Speaker 2: economic base. They need to fight this tax. They are
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Speaker 2: a bit constrained last time. They need to fight this
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Speaker 2: tax absolutely, but they've got to get onto issues like population.
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Speaker 2: Have a fared income population policy, a fed income decent cut,
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Speaker 2: not a tweak, but a real cut into these immigration
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Speaker 2: intake numbers. They've got to get out there and on
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Speaker 2: the renewables, the burden, the cost burden of renewables. I mean,
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Speaker 2: James Carvell said, and he's a Democrat, it's the economy
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Speaker 2: stupid where they're stupid if they're not fighting on the economy.
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Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, taken back to nineteen ninety two with
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Speaker 8: of course Bill Clinton successfully it might be that goodness,
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Speaker 8: But no, you're quite right, and I think the most
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Speaker 8: important thing is is that we've got a new shadow
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Speaker 8: opposition and they've got time to actually bed things down,
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Speaker 8: present to the Australian people what they're going to fight on.
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Speaker 8: And you're one hundred percent right. They need to fight
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Speaker 8: on this stuff. You know, a month ago the renewables
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Speaker 8: that the absolute folly of Chris Bowen and Albanesi still,
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Speaker 8: you know, spending all this money on green hydrog and
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Speaker 8: win farms and things that just actually don't work. People
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Speaker 8: are wanting, they're wanting to vote for the Liberals, but
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Speaker 8: they've got to not be deterred and not listen not
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Speaker 8: listen to doing dealers. I'm actually very glad that the
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Speaker 8: young that you know, it's going to be Labor and
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Speaker 8: the Greens doing this deal because it's not up to
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Speaker 8: the coalition to rescue labor with the unrealized tax games.
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Speaker 8: And it's also not up to the coalition to veer
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Speaker 8: from the from the path that people want them to take.
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Speaker 8: There's just no money in it either.
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Speaker 2: It's just terrible. Let's go down to Tasmania and things
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Speaker 2: are crook there for the Liberal leader, Jeremy Rockliff. It
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Speaker 2: looks like they're off there, off and running to a
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Speaker 2: state election. The speaker cast the casting vote. I watched
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Speaker 2: her decision as she put it down, she's a labor speaker, obviously,
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Speaker 2: as she put it down to her being a labor
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Speaker 2: person for many, many years, and of course you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: expect otherwise. Although it is a bit of a sad
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Speaker 2: outcome that it comes down to that. But what I
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Speaker 2: thought was really interesting. So when the opposition leader, so
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Speaker 2: the Labor leader, goes out and does his press conference
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Speaker 2: and it gives a reason as to why poor old
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Speaker 2: Tasmanians are heading back to the election only just having
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Speaker 2: had a state election, James. He puts it down at
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Speaker 2: the terrible, terrible debt position in Tasmania, which would be
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Speaker 2: a rounding era in a state like Victoria. And I'm
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Speaker 2: sitting there screaming at the TV saying, please, can't we
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Speaker 2: have a notice of no confidence in the Victorian Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Can't we go to an election because we're drowning in debt?
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah?
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Speaker 9: And the budget figures in Tasmania. And there was a
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Speaker 9: story about a year ago that said, compared to the
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Speaker 9: other states and how they should all be performing, Tasmania
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Speaker 9: had fallen behind even further. But you're right, the debt
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Speaker 9: position is nowhere near in the other states, which is
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Speaker 9: I watering in Victoria. There was a story about South Australia.
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Speaker 9: Today New South Wales is not doing much better. I
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Speaker 9: find this a really really interesting political story, Peter, because
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Speaker 9: this came down to one voter, as you say, the
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Speaker 9: Labor speaker who passed this no confidence motion in Rockcliffe.
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Speaker 10: The press.
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Speaker 9: The other thing to note that Tasmanians only went to
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Speaker 9: the polls a little over a year ago. There was
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Speaker 9: a hung parliament there. Neither the Liberal Party or the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party have the numbers. There is now talk of
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Speaker 9: a labor Green's coalition that is an official one compared
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Speaker 9: to an unofficial one that we have in other parts
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Speaker 9: of Australia, including in Canberra from time to time. But
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Speaker 9: there's three big issues that have been identified and the
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Speaker 9: biggest one of all, away from the ferries and the debt,
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Speaker 9: is the fact that this is all going to potentially
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Speaker 9: blow up the Tasmanian AFL team, which Rockcliffe has champion
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Speaker 9: from the start. The Greens have been ferociously against this
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Speaker 9: and I think you'll find that there's a feeling that
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Speaker 9: a lot of Tasmanians don't support it. So with that
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Speaker 9: in mind, that extra team, which needed a one billion
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Speaker 9: dollar stadium, may actually not go ahead. So there's a
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Speaker 9: big blow there for the AFL in the sporting world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think given where Rockcliffe was chapening that football
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Speaker 2: field a football stadium, I suspect that has many voters
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Speaker 2: may well be more favorable to him. We'll see. I
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Speaker 2: think it's difficult territory for liberals, regardless of where they
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Speaker 2: are around the country, but we'll see what happens. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to this debate today back again. Gender quotas inside
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. It fled up because of comments made
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Speaker 2: by Alan Stockdale, former Treasurer of Victoria, former party president.
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Speaker 2: Federally for the Libs, and he's currently on the Admin
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Speaker 2: Committee because New South Wales is in administration. He's basically
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Speaker 2: is running the New South Wales Party. He told a
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Speaker 2: women's Council meeting that women had gotten so assertive that
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Speaker 2: they may need reverse quotas for men. He said the
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Speaker 2: comments were in jest. That didn't stop the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: today from weaponizing them.
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Speaker 6: There are more more women in the Labor Caucus in
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Speaker 6: the House of Representatives whose first name begins in a
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Speaker 6: literally than there are Liberals and national women on the
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Speaker 6: floor of the House of Representatives.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, I've known Alan Stockdale for thirty years. I reckon
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Speaker 2: I'm a pretty assertive woman. He's never had a problem
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Speaker 2: with me. I've gone him absolutely professional. His wife is
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Speaker 2: an accomplished business woman. She's pretty assertive too, so I
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Speaker 2: suspect he's in the doghouse at home. He said they
19:16
Speaker 2: are poorly chosen words. I think that's probably right, but
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Speaker 2: that in itself does not make a case for quotas.
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Speaker 8: Caroly No, it certainly doesn't I mean, have we all
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Speaker 8: lost our sense of humor? The man is eighty years old.
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Speaker 8: It's generational. I mean there are a lot, as you say,
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Speaker 8: there's a lot of assertive women. I mean a good
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Speaker 8: luck to them, good luck to them as well. I
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Speaker 8: mean just center price Sarah Henderson, Claire Chandler, I mean
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Speaker 8: even more redeeming. I mean, for goodness sake, But you
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Speaker 8: know it does.
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Speaker 2: Run the risk. I don't agree with quotas at all.
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Speaker 2: People have got to get there on their marriage.
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Speaker 8: And you know it's Albo of course, he can't resist,
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Speaker 8: you know, taking a potshot at anything that he wants to.
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Speaker 2: James, what do you reckon You're one of these men
19:58
Speaker 2: that are suddenly extinct or threat of extinction from assertive women.
20:03
Speaker 2: How do you feel you're on a panel of assertive women.
20:05
Speaker 9: Because well, look, I've got absolutely no concern in regards
20:13
Speaker 9: to you know, whether women or men are in senior positions.
20:17
Speaker 9: I think labor are hypocrites given some of their senior
20:20
Speaker 9: leadership positions, but I do not. And you've identified a
20:23
Speaker 9: few of those fantastic women in the Liberal Party, Sarah
20:26
Speaker 9: Henderson and also Claire Chandler, And I think Bridget Mackenzie
20:30
Speaker 9: does an excellent job. But I would note that in
20:32
Speaker 9: New South Wales and the seat of Bradfield, which had
20:35
Speaker 9: always been held by the Liberal Party, the pre selection
20:38
Speaker 9: contests decided to go with a Liberal candidate called Giselle
20:43
Speaker 9: Capterian to do that. Warren Mundine, who was fantastic during
20:48
Speaker 9: the voice and the No campaign, was the other option.
20:52
Speaker 10: He was dudded.
20:53
Speaker 9: He was told by a number of senior Liberals, sorry,
20:56
Speaker 9: we have to go with a woman here, and so
20:58
Speaker 9: an Aboriginal man was in favor of a female quota,
21:02
Speaker 9: and unfortunately it's come out in the last twenty four
21:03
Speaker 9: hours that the Liberal Party will lose that seat for
21:06
Speaker 9: the first time. So I think as a test case
21:08
Speaker 9: that argument has a bit of work to do.
21:12
Speaker 2: Very good point, very good point. Thank you both. Let's
21:15
Speaker 2: return now to Labour's proposed changes to superannuation, with a
21:18
Speaker 2: coalition today taking an in principal decision that they will
21:22
Speaker 2: not do a deal with Labor, which means it's down
21:25
Speaker 2: to a prospective deal with the Greens.
21:27
Speaker 8: Now.
21:27
Speaker 2: Much of the focus is on the tax of unrealized gains,
21:31
Speaker 2: but this is also a question of fairness to given
21:33
Speaker 2: the uncertainty whether politicians, including the Prime Minister, but a
21:37
Speaker 2: whole host of senior public servants, can defer their payments,
21:42
Speaker 2: something the Treasurer was pushed on yesterday.
21:46
Speaker 11: And you confirm that the tax on three million, not
21:48
Speaker 11: the superannuation funds, will only apply it to the Prime
21:52
Speaker 11: Minister once he leaves office, that you won't pay any
21:55
Speaker 11: extra tax on his superanuation until he leaves office.
21:59
Speaker 2: Under your.
22:01
Speaker 4: I'm so pleased you ask me this question. Tax liabilities
22:03
Speaker 4: are deferred until a pension phase because members in those
22:07
Speaker 4: schemes can't access their super to pay tax debts until
22:10
Speaker 4: that point. It's a function of necessity that that's how
22:14
Speaker 4: that calculation is made. But we charge an interest rate
22:18
Speaker 4: on those liabilities to make sure that people don't receive
22:23
Speaker 4: an inappropriate advantage.
22:27
Speaker 2: Jentlemen, how to discuss is Wilson Asset Management Chair and
22:30
Speaker 2: Chief Investment Officer Jeff Wilson. Well, he dodged the question yesterday,
22:35
Speaker 2: which tells me he doesn't really want to answer it.
22:38
Speaker 2: He's trying to bury it in bureaucratic language. But of
22:40
Speaker 2: course we know what the truth is, don't we.
22:42
Speaker 1: Jeff Well, I mean, he just should have answered the
22:45
Speaker 1: question rather than going on a big rant. You should
22:47
Speaker 1: have said, yes, that effectively he won't pay tax. He's
22:53
Speaker 1: on a different he's a different situation to the forty
22:58
Speaker 1: million Australians that are in the normal superannuation system or
23:03
Speaker 1: the workers.
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Speaker 10: And he gets a semi free kick.
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Speaker 2: I've been the government thought they're on a winner here
23:12
Speaker 2: because you know, they're talking about initially balances a three
23:15
Speaker 2: million and they think, well, you know, most people are
23:18
Speaker 2: into the politics of envy. They think it won't affect them,
23:21
Speaker 2: this is nothing to sort of think about or worry about.
23:24
Speaker 2: But the more they start to understand this, I think
23:27
Speaker 2: it's tipping away from the government, and I think public
23:31
Speaker 2: opinion is really starting to shift, particularly where people understand
23:35
Speaker 2: that it is not indexed.
23:38
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, it's one hundred percent.
23:41
Speaker 1: And I was talking to someone in the early thirties
23:45
Speaker 1: yesterday who didn't really understand superannuation, and I explained to them,
23:49
Speaker 1: I said, if you had when you were twenty five,
23:52
Speaker 1: if you had thirty thousand dollars in your super fund
23:55
Speaker 1: and you didn't put another cent in and an increased
23:59
Speaker 1: by eight percent by the time you were fifty five,
24:02
Speaker 1: that would be more than three million dollars now effectively
24:07
Speaker 1: without the indexation. We've done some numbers and within the
24:13
Speaker 1: next thirty years, eight point one million, or more than
24:16
Speaker 1: half of the working population will be over that three
24:20
Speaker 1: million dollar mark. So without indexation, eventually every worker will
24:25
Speaker 1: be paying tax on unrealized games. So they'll be paying
24:28
Speaker 1: tax on a profit that may never eventuate. And one
24:33
Speaker 1: of the things that really sort of concerns me is
24:36
Speaker 1: the fact that both Anthony Albernici and Jim Charmers and
24:42
Speaker 1: the various other government politicians are sort of gas lighting
24:47
Speaker 1: Australians by saying it only impacts a very short small
24:51
Speaker 1: people of a small group of people eighty thousand.
24:54
Speaker 10: They don't focus on the indexation. But also the fact is.
24:58
Speaker 1: Everyone who's got their money, and that's four point two
25:01
Speaker 1: trillion dollars that's invested in Super, and everyone is going
25:06
Speaker 1: to change their behavior. For every action, there's an equal
25:09
Speaker 1: and opposite reaction, and there are going to be significant
25:12
Speaker 1: consequences for this tax coming in. And I think already
25:17
Speaker 1: in that four point two trillion that's invested in Super,
25:22
Speaker 1: people are changing how they're going to invest that money.
25:28
Speaker 2: I guess one of the concerns I have too, from
25:30
Speaker 2: the sort of the political parliamentary side of things that
25:32
Speaker 2: we've seen this happen before. Labor is on a tax
25:35
Speaker 2: they don't love, and you put in a trojan bill
25:39
Speaker 2: that basically is about taxes on superannuation unrealized gains. But
25:45
Speaker 2: it creates a framework, legislative framework that with regulation perhaps
25:49
Speaker 2: down the track, they can change the asset class. So
25:53
Speaker 2: whilst it's on super now, they can move thresholds. Potentially
25:57
Speaker 2: they could add in another asset class. Let's say they
26:01
Speaker 2: don't do changes to investment properties and negative gearing, but
26:05
Speaker 2: they might do a tax on the unrealized gains of
26:09
Speaker 2: your second, third, or fourth investment property and your first
26:11
Speaker 2: investment property. I mean, how real is that?
26:15
Speaker 1: I think it's very real because to me it seems
26:18
Speaker 1: it seems strange that the government was pushing so hard
26:24
Speaker 1: to get the legislation through the Senate before it before
26:28
Speaker 1: the last election, to even put it with another bill,
26:32
Speaker 1: the credit card bill that removed the additional charges on
26:38
Speaker 1: your credit card. Like the fact that Lamby and Popcock
26:43
Speaker 1: stood up to.
26:43
Speaker 10: That, Like, to me, that was.
26:46
Speaker 1: Really showed some metal. So like, why are they so
26:51
Speaker 1: desperate to get this through? And as you said, it's
26:54
Speaker 1: Division two ninety six. It can be moved wherever you
26:58
Speaker 1: want in terms of any asset class can be effectively
27:04
Speaker 1: taxed by the new legislation, assuming it gets through, which
27:10
Speaker 1: it looks like it will.
27:11
Speaker 2: Right, you're going to try and start it with a petition.
27:15
Speaker 2: Where can people go to give you some support?
27:17
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's right the Wilson as Management website
27:21
Speaker 1: and back in two thousand and eighteen twenty nineteen, when
27:27
Speaker 1: Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen were trying to bring in
27:29
Speaker 1: that legislation now the flawed legislation on Frankin. That was
27:33
Speaker 1: the last time we ran a petition and what we
27:37
Speaker 1: only started this petition last week and it was really
27:39
Speaker 1: in desperation to get everyone to understand how the incredible
27:45
Speaker 1: negative consequences are that this legislation will have on the
27:48
Speaker 1: Australian economy.
27:52
Speaker 2: Right, it's up there on the screen. Let's hope people
27:54
Speaker 2: jump on there and give support to the opposition case
27:57
Speaker 2: against this. Thanks for your time, Jeff. After the break,
28:00
Speaker 2: What exactly is a gender unicorn and why has it
28:04
Speaker 2: been used by one of our peag medical bodies? And
28:06
Speaker 2: discussions with children last one of Australia's foremost gender medicine proponents.
28:10
Speaker 2: Well they've been excoriated by a federal court judge and
28:14
Speaker 2: this afternoon the name of that doctor has finally been
28:18
Speaker 2: made public. Welcome back to the come why Donald Trump's
28:25
Speaker 2: ban on foreign nationals from particular countries should be on
28:29
Speaker 2: the table here in Australia, for first, has been growing
28:32
Speaker 2: concern over gender affirming care practices, particularly in the wake
28:36
Speaker 2: of the landmark cast review out of the United Kingdom. Today,
28:39
Speaker 2: a gender medicine expert who was ruled to have given
28:41
Speaker 2: misleading evidence to the family court to support a mother
28:45
Speaker 2: who wanted her child to be given puberty blockers has
28:48
Speaker 2: been named as Professor Michelle Telfer. Professor Telfer is the
28:52
Speaker 2: lead author of the nation's gender affirming care guidelines. These
28:56
Speaker 2: are the guidelines in the hospitals the people look to
28:59
Speaker 2: in dearly with the gender confused children. And in the
29:02
Speaker 2: scathing judgment, the judge said that you said he found
29:07
Speaker 2: in favor of the father who opposed the child taking
29:10
Speaker 2: these drugs. He said that the unquestioning approach of these
29:15
Speaker 2: agenda affirming guidelines quote overlooks the obvious, namely that the
29:20
Speaker 2: child is still a child and not even if that
29:22
Speaker 2: matters a teenager. Now, this comes as the Royal Australian
29:26
Speaker 2: College of General Practitioners their latest monthly professional development work
29:32
Speaker 2: on the website is focused on how GPS can and
29:35
Speaker 2: I quote positively influence the lives of gender diverse individuals
29:39
Speaker 2: through gender affirming healthcare. Joreman Now, someone who has long
29:44
Speaker 2: raised concerns about this model, academic psychiatrist doctor Andrew Amos. Andrew, welcome.
29:53
Speaker 2: We'll start with the criticism of Professor Telfer. We know
29:57
Speaker 2: her name now that's been released this afternoon on the
30:00
Speaker 2: Australian's website. How significant was the criticism of the judge
30:04
Speaker 2: about her, her evidence and those guidelines.
30:08
Speaker 12: Look, I think it's incredibly significant, Peter. In addition to
30:11
Speaker 12: saying that Professor Telfer had provided misleading testimony, which never
30:16
Speaker 12: puts a judge in a good mood, Judge Strum drew
30:19
Speaker 12: attention to the fact that she described herself more like
30:22
Speaker 12: an activist than a doctor. And this basically confirms the
30:25
Speaker 12: opinion of the Gold's Standard Cast review that you mentioned,
30:28
Speaker 12: which said that the treatment guidelines atself are created went
30:31
Speaker 12: not to scratch, mostly because she and the other authors
30:34
Speaker 12: ignored the lack of evidence for puberty blockers and hormones
30:37
Speaker 12: and other treatments. So I think the judge has done
30:40
Speaker 12: gender confused ossie kids and their families an enormous favor,
30:44
Speaker 12: but it's also alerted us to problems with the whole
30:47
Speaker 12: treatment model created by Professor Telfer.
30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the point, right. So we've got the
30:53
Speaker 2: Cast Review, which is a significant study into this model
30:58
Speaker 2: of care used obviously at our kingdom and elsewhere in
31:01
Speaker 2: the world, including Australia. That's basically said, put it away
31:06
Speaker 2: in Australia. Now we get a judge picking up not
31:09
Speaker 2: just the evidence of the proponent, the person who authored them,
31:12
Speaker 2: but the absolute practice as well. And yet in Australia
31:16
Speaker 2: it's still the gold standard of care. And in Australia
31:20
Speaker 2: we can't even have an inquiry state or federal into this. Now,
31:24
Speaker 2: why are we bearing our head in the sand.
31:28
Speaker 12: Well, look, there's a lot of institutional resistance to this.
31:30
Speaker 12: It's mainly the people making the decisions. We call this
31:34
Speaker 12: institutional capture. So essentially a small group of people are
31:38
Speaker 12: very enthusiastic or most you could say religious, about making
31:43
Speaker 12: sure that this particular model is implemented, and they really
31:47
Speaker 12: refuse to have anything to do with criticism. They haven't,
31:50
Speaker 12: for example, acknowledged the CAST review. They certainly haven't addressed
31:54
Speaker 12: the claims that it makes about the complete lack of
31:58
Speaker 12: evidence that these treatments help patients. And they also haven't
32:03
Speaker 12: looked at the evidence that it's more likely to harm
32:08
Speaker 12: kids than to help them in the long run.
32:09
Speaker 2: So what we really need to do is, sorry, Andrew, Sorry,
32:14
Speaker 2: I'm just want to jump in there. Where are the
32:17
Speaker 2: parents though? Right? So, when someone gives this sort of
32:21
Speaker 2: medical advice to a parent who's got a confused child.
32:25
Speaker 2: We know about the Telfa case because the father violently
32:29
Speaker 2: opposed what the mother wanted to do. She wanted to
32:32
Speaker 2: adopt this gender care. Thank god someone was standing up
32:35
Speaker 2: and asking a few questions. But where are all the
32:38
Speaker 2: other parents in cases like this?
32:41
Speaker 10: Yeah? Look, it's really unusual.
32:42
Speaker 12: I think this father did a great job of caring
32:45
Speaker 12: for protecting his son. He essentially took the view that
32:49
Speaker 12: kids will be kids. This is likely a phase that
32:52
Speaker 12: the kid's going to grow out of. Let him explore.
32:55
Speaker 12: We call this gender nonconformity. So many kids will go
32:59
Speaker 12: through this sort of stuff. They'll experiment with different ways
33:02
Speaker 12: of being. The father said, that's fine, I can tolerate that.
33:07
Speaker 12: And the judge basically said this father sought out many
33:11
Speaker 12: other therapists in order to take a therapeutic approach to
33:16
Speaker 12: what essentially is a mental illness, but no one was
33:20
Speaker 12: willing to take this kid on. And that's largely because
33:23
Speaker 12: Professor Telfer and advocates or activists like her have made
33:27
Speaker 12: it almost impossible for that sort of therapy to be done.
33:33
Speaker 2: Right, talk to me about the ROCGP. This is the
33:35
Speaker 2: body that provides training for our GPS. They've got a
33:39
Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff there on the website, and one
33:41
Speaker 2: of their training modules they even say, when you're dealing
33:44
Speaker 2: with young children, to use something like this gender unicorn.
33:49
Speaker 2: I and't even know really what this is, help us
33:51
Speaker 2: understand what's going on.
33:54
Speaker 12: Oh look, the gender unicorn is fairly legendary in these circles.
33:59
Speaker 12: I think you can see it's a cartoon, but it's
34:02
Speaker 12: a cartoon that essentially summarizes what I would describe as
34:05
Speaker 12: various forms of gender delusions. And in my mind, basically
34:09
Speaker 12: this proves that the module that's been put out by
34:11
Speaker 12: the RACGP is an activist fantasy masquerading as a medical
34:16
Speaker 12: training document completely meeds misleads GPS, who I think want
34:21
Speaker 12: to do the right thing by their patients, but this
34:23
Speaker 12: sort of very flawed advice puts them in a really
34:26
Speaker 12: pernicious position. I mean, if you go through the whole module,
34:31
Speaker 12: I think there's a real risk that gps are going
34:33
Speaker 12: to be sued because they think they are immune from
34:38
Speaker 12: the liability for the harms that are being done by
34:40
Speaker 12: this model of care, and they're very quickly going to
34:42
Speaker 12: find out that that's not true.
34:46
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to one next week because a
34:47
Speaker 2: lot of parents, I think need to know what grandparents to,
34:50
Speaker 2: what do they do if this is thrown into their
34:52
Speaker 2: family as an issue, and where they can go to
34:55
Speaker 2: get a help that isn't just going to take them
34:57
Speaker 2: down a path which in the case of of Justice
35:01
Speaker 2: Strum today has named and shamed in terms of this
35:05
Speaker 2: is academic as not being necessarily in the best interest
35:08
Speaker 2: of the child. But we'll do that next week. Thank you, Amos,
35:11
Speaker 2: Andrew Amos there, thank you very much, doctor Aimos. All right,
35:14
Speaker 2: let's go to this embarrassing backflip out of London. This
35:17
Speaker 2: involves our High Commission. This is where they had a
35:21
Speaker 2: very exclusive taxpayer funded event, but they banned the media
35:26
Speaker 2: from turning up. This is about Australia's men's cricket squad.
35:30
Speaker 2: Let's go to the woman on the ground, our News
35:32
Speaker 2: Corp European Correspondence. So for Ellsworth, well, I'll tell you what.
35:36
Speaker 2: If taxpayers are paying for a really expensive shitten dig
35:41
Speaker 2: taxpayers want to know what's going on and we want
35:43
Speaker 2: our media in there as well. What happened here, Peter,
35:47
Speaker 2: great to be with you.
35:49
Speaker 13: We have the Australian cricketers here in London. They'll be
35:52
Speaker 13: playing behind me at Lord's next week. And there was
35:55
Speaker 13: this media event last night or this function should I say,
35:59
Speaker 13: Australia House, which you and I and the taxpayers paid for.
36:03
Speaker 13: And the Australian media were only invited eight hours before
36:07
Speaker 13: the event, given virtually no notice, but we were told
36:11
Speaker 13: by the High Commission that we could not report from
36:15
Speaker 13: this event. This was extraordinary, Peter. There was a lot
36:18
Speaker 13: of pushback from the Australian journalists here on the ground
36:22
Speaker 13: in London that said, hang on a minute, why has
36:25
Speaker 13: the BBC got an arrangement where they can report on
36:29
Speaker 13: the event and we can only come in a personal capacity,
36:32
Speaker 13: but no reporting. And sure enough logic prevailed and the
36:37
Speaker 13: High Commission overturned this decision. I asked Stephen Smith, the
36:41
Speaker 13: High Commissioner, about this last night. He was not very
36:44
Speaker 13: pleased when I approached him about it. And there seems
36:47
Speaker 13: to be an awful lot of finger pointing here, finger
36:50
Speaker 13: pointing at Cricket Australia at the BBC. Peter, this is embarrassing.
36:54
Speaker 13: We are Australian reporters here on the ground. We should
36:58
Speaker 13: be reporting on these events and it was only that
37:01
Speaker 13: we pushed.
37:01
Speaker 2: Back that we were allowed to do. So let's go
37:07
Speaker 2: to the spike in migration or legal micration across the Channel.
37:10
Speaker 2: I've covered at a couple of times this week. It's
37:13
Speaker 2: interesting you've got to report that proves it's the Rewondan
37:18
Speaker 2: solution that actually never got off the ground. That's been
37:21
Speaker 2: about the only thing that's cut back some of the
37:24
Speaker 2: early numbers.
37:27
Speaker 13: So, Peter, it's been a disaster to hear with the
37:29
Speaker 13: channel crossings, the illegal migration. Last weekend they had more
37:33
Speaker 13: than one thousand illegal immigrants come into the country from France.
37:39
Speaker 13: There was remarkably French police just taking photos of these
37:43
Speaker 13: illegal migrants jumping on boats and crossing the Channel. And
37:47
Speaker 13: this is something that the Kars Starmer has not been
37:50
Speaker 13: able to stop, and we constantly hear in the media
37:54
Speaker 13: here Tony Abbott could do it in Australia, why can't
37:57
Speaker 13: it happen here in the UK? Is a real bugbear
38:01
Speaker 13: for the labor government here, Peter. They've been in a
38:04
Speaker 13: year year in offices, you know, in July, and this
38:07
Speaker 13: is a problem they have not been able to stop.
38:10
Speaker 13: And he's going to continue to dog them right up
38:13
Speaker 13: until the next election in four years time.
38:17
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at those rubbert Acki boats. Maybe we
38:20
Speaker 2: send the British Navy some of the machetes that seemed
38:22
Speaker 2: to be everywhere in Australia. They could slash a few
38:25
Speaker 2: of them like they slash the tires in Melbourne and
38:27
Speaker 2: away we go. Those boats would be stopped. But we'll
38:29
Speaker 2: see what happens with that. Thank you, Sophie Joy the
38:32
Speaker 2: cricket after the break. Those twelve countries that Donald Trump
38:36
Speaker 2: has now banned, who are they? And should we do
38:39
Speaker 2: it here? Undustash too in New Zealand over the Harker
38:42
Speaker 2: this is extraordinary. Mari mp Is threatened to tear up
38:46
Speaker 2: the treaty and throw out the crown. Now this will
38:53
Speaker 2: confuse you. It's a Thursday. But Kel Riches is coming
38:56
Speaker 2: up after the break because we missed things last night
39:00
Speaker 2: with a few technical hitches. But we don't want you
39:01
Speaker 2: to miss helm. Let's go though to my International panel,
39:04
Speaker 2: because Donald Trump has today banned foreign nationals from twelve countries,
39:08
Speaker 2: along with partial bands on another seven. He was the
39:12
Speaker 2: president earlier.
39:14
Speaker 14: The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the
39:18
Speaker 14: extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry of
39:21
Speaker 14: foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as
39:25
Speaker 14: those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their visas.
39:30
Speaker 10: We don't want them.
39:33
Speaker 2: Joining me now. My International Panel sky and is contributed
39:35
Speaker 2: to Koshergata a former Labor MP. Michael Danby will welcome
39:39
Speaker 2: to you both. I have to say, Michael, if I'm
39:42
Speaker 2: pretty tough on this too, you know, I think this
39:44
Speaker 2: is a good idea. We've got one hundred thousand people
39:47
Speaker 2: in Australia left over from the old rud Gillard days
39:50
Speaker 2: when the boats just kept coming, who refuse to go back,
39:53
Speaker 2: and some of them come from countries like Iran that
39:55
Speaker 2: refused to take them back. I think we should only
39:59
Speaker 2: ever give visa tourist visas working for any sort of
40:02
Speaker 2: visa two people from countries that if we have to
40:06
Speaker 2: deport them will take them back.
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Speaker 15: I think that's a good idea. But what do you
40:11
Speaker 15: do with the people here now? Unfortunately Australia has a
40:14
Speaker 15: very indulgent lawfare system where people can contest these kinds
40:20
Speaker 15: of things while they're here. They get a bridging visa
40:23
Speaker 15: and it's like endless before you get them out. Canada,
40:26
Speaker 15: by contrast, which is an equally sort of smaller liberal regime,
40:30
Speaker 15: if you fail court judgment, you have to go offshore
40:34
Speaker 15: and appeal. So I think the government should take this seriously.
40:40
Speaker 15: I hope we haven't got any people. Interestingly enough, Egypt
40:43
Speaker 15: wasn't on the President's list, and that bloke who did
40:47
Speaker 15: the terrible thing in Baalder, Colorado was from Egypt. He
40:49
Speaker 15: was the Egyptian press is saying, is the Muslim brother fanatic?
40:53
Speaker 2: Right? Well, lest Egypt didn't take the gardens like we
40:55
Speaker 2: took the gardens and we check the gardiens. I mean,
40:58
Speaker 2: what do you think of this move constitutional challenge? Is
41:01
Speaker 2: it likely? Yes?
41:02
Speaker 7: So definitely anything Trump does is getting challenged, and that
41:05
Speaker 7: itself is a constitutional question. If random judges have the
41:09
Speaker 7: right to issue these nationwide injunctions.
41:11
Speaker 2: That's heating up.
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Speaker 7: This is something he tried in his first term, and
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Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen there were two or three versions of it.
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Speaker 7: The third version did go all the way up to
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Speaker 7: the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court held it and
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Speaker 7: basically affirmed that the president and the executive branch do
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Speaker 7: have broad authority as it relates to matters of immigration
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Speaker 7: and national security. So so long as you state it
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Speaker 7: in the statue that that's what this is about. They
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Speaker 7: ruled in favor of him. So that's going to help
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Speaker 7: this time around, because that's already been done. Now this
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Speaker 7: one is wider in scope, it has more countries, it
41:37
Speaker 7: has no expiration date. Those previous ones were short term bands.
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Speaker 7: So there are reasons why we do expect to see
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Speaker 7: legal challenge. But he's on offense. The political mood has
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Speaker 7: completely shifted. People are much more in his corner on
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Speaker 7: the issue of immigration broadly, and so he is moving ahead, and.
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Speaker 2: Of course the best defense is at tech. I think
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Speaker 2: he's struggling a little bit with the departure of Masks.
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Speaker 2: He's got the big Bill, which he says, Michael, it's
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Speaker 2: a good thing. It's all the electric commitments he made.
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Speaker 2: I think probably there's some good things in there, but
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Speaker 2: there's a hell of a lot of spending and big government.
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Speaker 2: So he's changing the conversation. He is, Peter.
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Speaker 15: But it's the same problem as here and with a
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Speaker 15: Victorian government all levels. We've got unsustainable debt. I mean,
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Speaker 15: the American economy can have it all kinds of problems
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Speaker 15: caused by China refusing to keep buying American treasury bonds
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Speaker 15: to fund that debt. So they've got to address it sometime.
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Speaker 15: I'm not saying they should cut it back now, but
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Speaker 15: there are a lot of Republicans who will eventually stand
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Speaker 15: up to the President on these kinds of issues.
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Speaker 10: Not just a musk.
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Speaker 2: I want to play some vision. I think we've got
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Speaker 2: it there to play for my audience. It's about this
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Speaker 2: fight and the parliament. Parliament, the bee Hive they call
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Speaker 2: it in New Zealand where Mari MPs disrupted a vote
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Speaker 2: that chamber, they did a harker. They were found in
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Speaker 2: contempt of the chamber. One's been suspended for twenty one days,
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Speaker 2: the youngest one for seven days, and then kicked off
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Speaker 2: Kosher a whole five about sovereignty and a whole range
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Speaker 2: of things about the treaty, and if the treaty can
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Speaker 2: be torn up by marimps, then the crown should leave
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Speaker 2: New Zealand and on it goes, so.
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Speaker 7: That constitutional question will be adjudicated in their system. I'm
43:26
Speaker 7: sure it's always trendy. Every country has this faction of
43:29
Speaker 7: people who want their sovereignty and fight, whether it's the
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Speaker 7: Qubecans in Canada or these folks here.
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Speaker 2: But this kind of behavior never ages. Well.
43:36
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a good showing of anybody's cause.
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Speaker 2: No matter what it is.
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Speaker 7: But I think it's a reflection of just the culture
43:42
Speaker 7: right now where you, especially the young generation. They just
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Speaker 7: feel entitled that they can in any forum, even Parliament,
43:49
Speaker 7: behave in that way and they can do no wrong.
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Speaker 7: So this put it on display. And it's not often
43:53
Speaker 7: that New Zealand is on the global map internationally.
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Speaker 2: But this one put them there. Now, I do know,
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Speaker 2: just Indade, it's got a book out and she says
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Speaker 2: how the rest of the world loves her, and she's
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Speaker 2: not that popular at home. I don't think she's launching
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Speaker 2: the book at home and she's moving to the United States. Hey,
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Speaker 2: let's talk about this China ban on critical minerals. This
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Speaker 2: has got a lot of people worried. Michael.
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Speaker 15: Beijing says that it is working with the Europeans to
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Speaker 15: speed up these kind of things. But half of the
44:20
Speaker 15: exports are held up in Chinese ports, particularly magnets which
44:25
Speaker 15: you need in cars, which are some of parts of
44:28
Speaker 15: them are made from these rare earths. Australia's got a
44:30
Speaker 15: big role in this. Maybe that's why the Americans were
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Speaker 15: leaning so hard on the Ukrainians. I haven't heard much
44:35
Speaker 15: of that critical minerals deal with the Ukrainians, but I
44:39
Speaker 15: do know of some people in Australia who are trying
44:42
Speaker 15: to extract minerals in Tasmania and West Australia, and I say,
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Speaker 15: all strength to their arms, and you should get onto
44:50
Speaker 15: to the Indian and German auto manufacturers and see if
44:53
Speaker 15: we can get some of that stuff out to them.
44:56
Speaker 2: Just quickly. Gretaan Gaza, do you think she's had a
44:59
Speaker 2: fifteen minute I think so.
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Speaker 7: I think she's suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome and she's
45:04
Speaker 7: always trying to figure out how to insert herself into
45:06
Speaker 7: the topics that are relevant right now. And this one
45:09
Speaker 7: also is not going to age well. Her on a
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Speaker 7: board with a bunch of activists trying to dock into Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Another example of young people who overestimate I think their
45:17
Speaker 7: value and what they bring to the table on these issues.
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Speaker 15: And she's been so all the on the sea, they'll
45:22
Speaker 15: run out of protein bars and milk, which is the
45:24
Speaker 15: small packages that they're bringing.
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Speaker 2: It just laughing on the boat going to Gaza just
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Speaker 2: harks back to those kids there on that day, at
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Speaker 2: that dance party in the morning, and what they've lived through.
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Speaker 15: Brenda Thunberg is no imagination, so that's no understanding.
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Speaker 2: The analogous memory there. I think just hit time.
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Speaker 15: I think she's discrediting herself people or it's interested in
45:47
Speaker 15: the environment, which she's sort of seen as a joan
45:49
Speaker 15: of arc of the environment, but not the long time
45:52
Speaker 15: getting narrower and narrower.
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Speaker 2: Okay, quick break Kells after the break, Well, last night
46:03
Speaker 2: there technical gremlins might have got him, but he's indefatigable.
46:06
Speaker 2: He's back tonight. Words with broadcaster kel Richards joins me
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Speaker 2: now this is when I say all the time, Kell,
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Speaker 2: great to have you on the program. Martin has written
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Speaker 2: to ask me about and he says he objects to
46:22
Speaker 2: the expression no brainer.
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Speaker 3: Ah.
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Speaker 16: He's worried that it's offensive. He's worried that it's saying
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Speaker 16: some people have got no brains, they mentally divisioned. He
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Speaker 16: even mentioned poor old Joe Biden in passing. But no, Martin,
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Speaker 16: there's nothing to worry about. That's not what it means.
46:37
Speaker 16: It's not about persons. It's about ideas. Some ideas are
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Speaker 16: no brainers an American bit of colloquialism from about nineteen
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Speaker 16: fifty nine. And it just means there are something so
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Speaker 16: obvious you can just see them without thinking about them.
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Speaker 16: So Martin, don't worry. It is not offensive.
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Speaker 2: I use it in that context. It is a no brainer.
46:58
Speaker 2: You don't even need to switch a gray should know
47:01
Speaker 2: instantaneously it's the right thing to do. It's the right
47:04
Speaker 2: thing to reject another one. John wants to know where
47:07
Speaker 2: the phrase even stevens comes from.
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Speaker 16: It would be lovely if there was a cute story
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Speaker 16: behind this about someone whose name was Stevens. But I'm
47:14
Speaker 16: afraid there isn't. It's just an American bit of colloquialism
47:17
Speaker 16: about eighteen thirty seven that comes from and it's rhyming reduplication.
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Speaker 16: We have it today because the English language is and
47:25
Speaker 16: always has been very fond of rhyming reduplications. They're catchy,
47:30
Speaker 16: so they catch on. People start repeating them a lot.
47:32
Speaker 16: When this one first appeared in print, as I said
47:34
Speaker 16: eighteen thirty seven, it was in a bit of journalism
47:37
Speaker 16: trying to recapture the way uneducated people spoke, So presumably
47:41
Speaker 16: that's the origin of this thing.
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Speaker 2: I would say, it's interesting. My husband's got an Irish
47:47
Speaker 2: connection and we've been over there with his Irish arts
47:49
Speaker 2: from Galway and they have a sing song, lilting speech,
47:53
Speaker 2: very literal speech. I know other countries have that too.
47:56
Speaker 2: We should do that one time, because in beautiful phrases
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Speaker 2: north of Ireland, hey armed to the teeth. This is
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Speaker 2: definitely not what Australia is. We are not armed to
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Speaker 2: the teeth. Charles wants to know what's the oranges of
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Speaker 2: this one?
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Speaker 16: Middle Ages and in those days too, the teeth meant
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Speaker 16: completely or fully, as in from head to toe. So
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Speaker 16: pictuer a knight in armor from his steel shod shoes
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Speaker 16: up to his helmeted head, carrying all the weapons he
48:22
Speaker 16: could possibly carry. He is armed to the teeth and
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Speaker 16: you're right. These days he would be missiles, not swords.
48:28
Speaker 16: But it would be better if we were armed to
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Speaker 16: the teeth.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you what. Hey, where do we go
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Speaker 2: to lodge? Some more words? Please?
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Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Okay?
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Speaker 16: Oswood's oz words dot dot com dot au, oswords dot
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Speaker 16: com dot au. And there's a contact page where you
48:46
Speaker 16: can send me your questions. Love to hear from you.
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Speaker 16: It's always great.
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Speaker 2: All right, my dear audience, have a lovely weekend. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you Monday. Here's Andrew