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The Kenny Report | 16 July · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it starts now line from the Skying You Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Eden, Thanks for joining me tonight. As One Nation
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Speaker 3: continues to dominate politics nationally, Pauline Hanson's right hand senator
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Speaker 3: runs with yet another loopy conspiracy theory, is one nation
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Speaker 3: mainstream or out on the nutty fringes. The ABC chairman
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Speaker 3: Kim Williams joins me live in the studio to discuss
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Speaker 3: ABC bias and what changes we can expect at the
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Speaker 3: national broadcast. As conflict escalates in the Middle East and
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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump plans to address the nation tomorrow. I'll
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Speaker 3: get Alexander Downer's thoughts the Liberals Anne Rustin on the
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Speaker 3: AI debate, as well as female quotas for the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party in Sport with Robo, England's World Cup mission fails,
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Speaker 3: and of course Mark and Tim will convene national cabinet
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Speaker 3: to make sense of another crazy week.
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Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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Speaker 3: The biggest political story of this year remains One Nation.
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Speaker 3: How is it that this political party, based primarily on
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Speaker 3: the controversial views and incredible political tenacity of one woman,
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Speaker 3: has come to soar in the polls and outperformed the
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Speaker 3: coalition and even Labor at times. Pauline Hansen was once
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Speaker 3: a Liberal candidate in an unwinnable Queensland seat.
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Speaker 1: Ditched by her party for her views.
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Speaker 3: On indigenous programs. She ended up in Parliament as an
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Speaker 3: independent and the rest is history, except that history has
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Speaker 3: waxed and waned over the decades, and Hanson and her
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Speaker 3: party are now more powerful than ever. One Nation won
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Speaker 3: more primary votes than the Liberals in the South Australian
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Speaker 3: election in March, and it's outpolling the Coalition and Labor
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Speaker 3: in Victoria and federally has also topped the polls.
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Speaker 1: At times this year.
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Speaker 3: With this looming success to come more scrutiny on policies,
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Speaker 3: on plans and on personnel. And while One Nation is
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Speaker 3: desperately trying to choose candidates for the Victorian election, it's
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Speaker 3: the party's longest serving MP after Hansen, who continues to
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Speaker 3: embarrass and even shame them. Malcolm Roberts is the seventy
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Speaker 3: one year old One Nation senator for Queensland. A former
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Speaker 3: mining engineer, he's strong on climate change skepticism, but also
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Speaker 3: keeps straying into some weird and worrying conspiracy theories. The
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Speaker 3: latest relates to so called chem trails, the nonsensical theory
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Speaker 3: that the US is spraying chemicals around the world's atmosphere
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Speaker 3: to control the population. On his YouTube channel, Roberts had
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Speaker 3: these comments to say last.
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Speaker 4: Year, many people really kill the nation of chempdraus in Australia.
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Speaker 5: I don't really kill the idea.
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Speaker 1: Too there being chemp trials in Australia.
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Speaker 4: I have never denied it, and I think it's likely
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Speaker 4: highly likely that the USA military are doing trials on
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Speaker 4: these things.
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Speaker 3: Open to chem trials. Wow, one nation, remember our leading
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Speaker 3: in many polls. Pauline Hanson is being spruped as a
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Speaker 3: possible prime minister if one nation weres a govern we
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Speaker 3: can only presume Roberts would have a senior role. Earlier
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Speaker 3: this year, I highlighted his appalling conduct refusing to pushback
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Speaker 3: at false flag claims about the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 4: I was going to ask one more question on the
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Speaker 4: Israel thing. Do you think that Bondai was a false flag?
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Speaker 1: You asked me if I thought it was a false fake.
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Speaker 4: If I make a statement, it's going to be back
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Speaker 4: by fact.
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Speaker 1: I don't have the facts yet, I'm not ruling it out.
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Speaker 3: You noticed that Pauline Hanson needs to make sure Roberts
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Speaker 3: back tracks on this rubbish and expel him from her
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Speaker 3: party if he refuses. On that occasion, Pauline Hanson and
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Speaker 3: Roberts attempted to clean up the mess.
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Speaker 6: You have to understand the terminology that Senator Roberts used
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Speaker 6: in that that interview is not has been taken completely
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Speaker 6: out of context, completely out of context.
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Speaker 4: The other thing, the other thing, The other thing is
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Speaker 4: that the other thing is that the media is culpable
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Speaker 4: for that woman's question because the media has misled, misled,
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Speaker 4: and people don't trust the media.
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Speaker 7: Of course, there's no false flat.
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Speaker 4: It's an obsurd proposition, it's a false flavor.
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Speaker 3: Well, there are plenty more disturbing comments in roberts past,
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Speaker 3: is present, and possibly in his future. He has promoted
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Speaker 3: the works of an infamous Holocaust denier. He has posted
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Speaker 3: and praised a notorious Adi Semitic mural. He has praised
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Speaker 3: the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who once claimed the
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Speaker 3: Sandy Hook School massacre was a US government hoax. Roberts
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Speaker 3: has praised Vladimir Putin for invading Ukraine. He's described the
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Speaker 3: United States as the world's greatest terrorist organization. Malcolm Roberts
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Speaker 3: habitually floats appalling, nonsensical and dangerous conspiracy theories. He's a
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Speaker 3: liability to One Nation if they're to be taken seriously,
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Speaker 3: and he's a gift for the Coalition as they try
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Speaker 3: to claw back support from this one time fringe party.
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Speaker 8: There's a long list of things that he said.
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Speaker 9: He called the United States the worst terrorist organization in
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Speaker 9: the world.
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Speaker 8: There was something else today about cam.
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Speaker 9: Trials and anti Semitic tropes that there's praise.
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Speaker 8: For Vladimir Putin. I mean, this is a long list.
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Speaker 9: Now, this is a long list, and the question here
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Speaker 9: for Pauline Hansen is what is she going to do
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Speaker 9: about it.
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Speaker 8: She's over in Italy right now, you know, living it up.
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Speaker 8: It seems.
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Speaker 9: Look, she needs to deal with this and she needs
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Speaker 9: to deal with us now that this is a very
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Speaker 9: long list we've seen and frankly, the problem with One
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Speaker 9: Nation is they don't have that strong team and that
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Speaker 9: strong plan to turn this country around.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson is in Europe and returns to Australia next week.
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Speaker 3: One Nation is polling like a mainstream party. Many of
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Speaker 3: its stances like those on immigration and net zero are
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Speaker 3: appealing to mainstream voters. The trouble is that Roberts is
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Speaker 3: a long way from mainstream. His views come from the
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Speaker 3: nutty fringes. So how Pauline Hanson deals with Roberts will
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Speaker 3: demonstrate exactly what sort of a party she's leading.
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Speaker 1: Given how often.
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Speaker 3: We discuss the ABC on this program, and given how
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Speaker 3: important the ABC is to our national debate, I'm pleased
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Speaker 3: that the chairman, Kim Williams, is joining me in the
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Speaker 3: studio tonight to set the scene. Let's look at some
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Speaker 3: stippers from my Sky News doco from four years ago
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Speaker 3: your ABC exposed.
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Speaker 10: There was a wonderful quote that somebody gave me once
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Speaker 10: in the organization. They said, Jonathan, we don't really worry
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Speaker 10: about chairmen because we do. Just find that we flattered
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Speaker 10: them and they coalesce in the end.
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Speaker 11: There is a smugness at the ABC that conservatives are
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Speaker 11: not welcome because there is something truly wrong with their views.
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Speaker 11: I think we've seen some examples where it hasn't met
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Speaker 11: its statutory obligations to be impartial and to be accurate,
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Speaker 11: and that has reflected very poorly on the ABC.
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Speaker 3: Their ABC does that summarize the mindset at the ABC.
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Speaker 10: Chris, I know exactly what you're saying. All I'd say
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Speaker 10: is any organization should be proud of having staff that
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Speaker 10: admire the organizations.
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Speaker 12: So you know that's not a fault.
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Speaker 3: Sure emotional when you say that, why public bill goes
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Speaker 3: to manister. Well, let me welcome the current ABC chairman,
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Speaker 3: Kim Williams into the studio.
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Speaker 1: Kim Williams, thanks for joining us, Hi, Chris, good to
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Speaker 1: be with you.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 1: The ABC matters.
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Speaker 3: To everyone in this country because all taxpayers pay for it,
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Speaker 3: because it has a big sway on public debate, and
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Speaker 3: because it's required by law to be fair and objective.
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Speaker 1: You'd agree with all of that.
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Speaker 7: I do agree with all of that. In fact, the
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Speaker 7: ABC is owned by all Australians and is accountable to
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Speaker 7: all Australians, which is one of the reasons that I'm
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Speaker 7: on a program where one of its most trenchant critics
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Speaker 7: is about to speak with me.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've often tried to get leaders from the ABC
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Speaker 3: onto the program and most of them have declined, So
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you turning up.
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Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure.
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Speaker 3: One of the key issues, of course, that's cut to
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Speaker 3: the chase is biased. Now you run a big organization,
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Speaker 3: you're new to the chairman's job. Relatively speaking, only you
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Speaker 3: would not contend that there's not a green left bias
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Speaker 3: at the ABC, that there's not an ABC position on
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Speaker 3: climate change, net zero, indigenous issues, for instance.
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Speaker 7: I'd most certainly contest that with you, Chris. In fact,
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Speaker 7: I would have no idea how the overwhelming majority of
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Speaker 7: people at the ABC vote, and nor would I seek
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Speaker 7: to find out. The ABC is a national resource. It
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Speaker 7: is a force for impartiality, and it's a force for
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Speaker 7: objective journalism.
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Speaker 1: We know it should be impartial. We know that it's
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Speaker 1: under its charter. It's a charge with being impartial.
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Speaker 3: But you couldn't possibly argue, for instance, that the ABC
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Speaker 3: doesn't run an alarmist line on climate change, that it's
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Speaker 3: reporting isn't at the very leading edge of talking up
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Speaker 3: the risk and threat of climate change.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say the ABC is ever alarmist in relation
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Speaker 7: to climate change. The AB is covering the vast panoply
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Speaker 7: of science which overwhelmingly suggests that the planet has real challenges.
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Speaker 3: Give But the same science, for instance, would tell us
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Speaker 3: that zero is impossible to reach in this country, and
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Speaker 3: certainly that we can't run an effective electricity grid on
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Speaker 3: renewable energy and batteries.
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Speaker 1: But the ABC seems to just.
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Speaker 3: Defend that position endlessly. In fact, it runs reporting that
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Speaker 3: seems to seems to be antagonistic towards the obvious solution
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Speaker 3: of nuclear power.
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Speaker 7: Chris, I don't think the ABC is an advocate in
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Speaker 7: any of these environments. It reports in relation to issues
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Speaker 7: of consequence in a disciplined and fair minded fashion.
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Speaker 3: It interests me to hear you say that you don't
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Speaker 3: know which way a lot of ABC presenters journalists would vote.
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Speaker 1: You said that earlier this year in a podcast. Let's
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Speaker 1: have a look.
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Speaker 13: The ABC is not an especially left wing or right
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Speaker 13: wing organization, and in fact, the majority of ABC journalists
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Speaker 13: I would defy anyone to know how they vote.
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Speaker 1: No, I reckon, I can guess.
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Speaker 12: Well, you know, guess you guess you might.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not in the game of guessing.
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Speaker 3: But seriously, Sarah Ferguson, Laura Tingle, David Maher, John lyons,
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Speaker 3: what we don't know whether they vote Greens or labor
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Speaker 3: or teal is that the question.
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Speaker 7: Frankly, I don't know how they vote, and I don't
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Speaker 7: know if they vote that they may well register out
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Speaker 7: of issues of principle, a vote that is invalid.
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Speaker 3: I'm just astonished to hear you say that there's no
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Speaker 3: bias there, that there's not a green left jaundice at
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Speaker 3: the ABC. I understand that it's difficult to manage, and
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Speaker 3: you might want to say that there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: time and effort needed to eradicate it and you need
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Speaker 3: to bring in different points of view, but just to
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Speaker 3: deny it exists to me seems beyond the pale. For instance,
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Speaker 3: during the Voice debate, Chris, there any one of the
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Speaker 3: ABC who was all skeptical about the Indigenous Voice proposal.
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Speaker 7: Chris, the ABC reported on the Voice referendum, I would
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Speaker 7: say impeccably and in fact ran a very big post
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Speaker 7: mortem on all of the coverage of the Voice debate
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Speaker 7: in the lead up to the referendum in order to
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Speaker 7: validate that it had actually reflected all of the views
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Speaker 7: that were being propagated in Australia at that time.
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Speaker 3: During the Voice debate, I was a pretty lonely voice
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Speaker 3: in this place advocating for the voice.
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Speaker 1: So that I remember that I.
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Speaker 3: Was invited onto the ABC's Q and A panel. I
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Speaker 3: think there are about seven of us on the program.
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Speaker 3: None of them were opposed to the voice, and this
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Speaker 3: is an issue with which sixty percent of the population disagreed.
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Speaker 7: Well, Chris, I'm not here to actually do post mortems
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Speaker 7: on something that well precedes.
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Speaker 1: My period at the age. Bias, doesn't it? This is
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Speaker 1: my point. It illustrates a bias there.
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Speaker 7: I don't think you've established that point. I think you're
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Speaker 7: making an assertion, as if people often do about the ABC,
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Speaker 7: but the assertion is often not born out by any
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Speaker 7: kind of evidentiary support.
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Speaker 1: All right, well let's look at another example. Then.
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Speaker 3: I didn't think that there would be a lot of
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Speaker 3: resistance to this proposition. So let's talk about how Philip Adams,
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Speaker 3: an avowed leftist, a very smart broadcaster and a smart
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Speaker 3: man in many ways.
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Speaker 1: But he was a long time late night.
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Speaker 3: Radio host on the ABC, and the standard question for
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Speaker 3: many years was, well, he's left wing. The ABC can
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Speaker 3: have a left wing major program presenter. Where is the
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Speaker 3: right of center Philip Adams? There was never an answer
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Speaker 3: to that. He was replaced by David Maher. David Marr,
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Speaker 3: of course, has no qualms about saying that he's a progressive,
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Speaker 3: he's green left, he's nothing other than that.
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Speaker 1: Now he hosts that program.
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Speaker 3: So let's presumably you're not any doubt as to the
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Speaker 3: political disposition of David Maher. Where is the right of
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Speaker 3: center David Marr at the ABC.
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Speaker 7: Well, there are a number of people at the ABC
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Speaker 7: that have a diversity of views. I'm not here to
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Speaker 7: give individual report cards on commentators or personalities at the ABC,
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Speaker 7: but inappropriate for me to do that, and you know that.
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Speaker 3: But if it's okay to have a prominent host who's
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Speaker 3: avowedly green left, no problem with it, You've got I've
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Speaker 3: got no problem with that, as long as you can
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Speaker 3: also have some right of center hosts, which you don't have.
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Speaker 7: Well, we have had people of an avowed conservative persuasion
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Speaker 7: on the ABC guests no as from time to time
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Speaker 7: in in I mean you remember when Tom was there,
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Speaker 7: Tom Switzer, Yes, for his one program a week on
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Speaker 7: Radio National. Well, it was a pretty good program.
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Speaker 1: It was a pretty good program.
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Speaker 14: And that's a very interesting disci with him about how
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Speaker 14: hard it was to get people like.
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Speaker 3: Bjorn Lomborg onto the ABC. The internal resistance was excruciating.
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Speaker 7: Well, again, I can't debate that with you because it
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Speaker 7: precedes my time at the ABC. But all right, we're
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Speaker 7: not going to go very far if we're going to
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Speaker 7: do this kind of assessment of individual report cards.
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Speaker 3: Now, in your time as chairman, you've brought in a
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Speaker 3: new managing director in Hu Marx, and now a new
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Speaker 3: news director Justin Stevens. The former news director has been
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Speaker 3: pushed out prematurely. Why did you feel the need to
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Speaker 3: get rid of Justin Stevens?
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Speaker 7: Well, these were this was a decision, of course, made
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Speaker 7: by the managing director. The managing director is in fact
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Speaker 7: operationally responsible for the ABC. I'm responsible for the board,
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Speaker 7: which means for the broad overview of performance at the
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Speaker 7: ABC and for the whole policy fabric of the ABC
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Speaker 7: and the way in which the managing director performs against
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Speaker 7: all of the policy priorities.
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Speaker 3: Sure, so, why was Justin Stevens moved on? What were
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Speaker 3: the issues that the board and manage I think Hugh.
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Speaker 7: Has made it very clear that he wanted to see
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Speaker 7: a different focus, that he wanted to see something that
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Speaker 7: was going to better accord with settings that measured up
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Speaker 7: in terms of a performance oriented ABC.
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Speaker 3: And you're bringing in Simon Robinson, a man from Reuter's
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Speaker 3: in the UK, you had a bit to deal with
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Speaker 3: in another role. Surely his mission in part is at
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Speaker 3: least to make the ABC more pluralistic less biased.
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Speaker 7: I have every confidence that Simon holds values of pluralism
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Speaker 7: very close to his heart, and he comes with all
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Speaker 7: of the embedded values of the Reuters Trust Principles, which
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Speaker 7: are the oldest set of editorial policies operational on the planet.
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Speaker 7: They were originated in nineteen forty one during the Second
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Speaker 7: World War and have continued uninterrupted to this Dury, So.
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Speaker 3: Is that an area where the ABC needs to improve
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Speaker 3: under his leadership.
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Speaker 7: I think one can always improve in all things, Chris,
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Speaker 7: and I would never ever argue with anyone as to
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Speaker 7: the necessity to focus on doing better work at all times.
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Speaker 3: So you can improve on being more pluralistic, even though
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Speaker 3: there's no buyers problem.
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Speaker 7: That seems Chris, you are relentless.
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Speaker 12: I try to be.
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Speaker 3: Let me go to a couple of examples. I want
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Speaker 3: to talk about coverage of the Middle East. Now here's
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Speaker 3: one story where the ABC got it badly wrong.
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Speaker 1: It's been focused on at the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 11: Have a look fourteen thousand babies could die within the
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Speaker 11: next forty eight hours in Gaza if there's not enough
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Speaker 11: aid cent there.
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Speaker 7: That is the grim warning from the United Nations Humanitarian Chief.
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Speaker 3: Now there's been a lot of focus on how this
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Speaker 3: erni a story went to air and it wasn't corrected
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Speaker 3: quickly enough and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 1: But my point is much different to that.
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Speaker 3: That is, how could any serious journalists, with any objection
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Speaker 3: give point of view, runs such an absurd story unless
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Speaker 3: they were running an anti Israel bias. This is fourteen
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Speaker 3: thousand babies being on the brink of death in forty
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Speaker 3: eight hours is an absurd proposition. It didn't stand up
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Speaker 3: to a moment, as you.
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Speaker 7: Well know, that was based on a un issued piece
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Speaker 7: of information and the ABC picked that up and ran
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Speaker 7: with it. The ABC corrected the story, the ABC apologized
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Speaker 7: to the audience, and in the Royal Commission, our editorial
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Speaker 7: director actually spoke to the four errors that have been
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Speaker 7: made over the course of the extensive coverage with certainly
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Speaker 7: thousands of stories since twenty twenty three, and.
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Speaker 1: Theres so many.
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Speaker 3: So this is my whole point about this is, how
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Speaker 3: could you even run this? How could any intelligent person
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Speaker 3: for a second, think that story was true important there
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Speaker 3: was obviously the important propaganda against Israel.
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Speaker 7: The important thing here is that it was corrected. The
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Speaker 7: ABC made no issue with the fact that it needed
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Speaker 7: to be corrected, and that's been published, and in fact
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Speaker 7: there was a statement about that by the ABC's editorial
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Speaker 7: director at the Royal Commissions.
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Speaker 1: So you're not engaging with my key point. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's the important point.
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Speaker 3: I think the important point is that this shows a
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Speaker 3: propensity to always believe the worst about Israel.
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Speaker 1: Even if it is completely implausible.
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Speaker 7: Chris, it came from a UN source and from UN documentation.
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Speaker 3: Well, we need to staffers have worked for AMRA, but
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Speaker 3: UN is not the Holy Gospel when it comes to
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Speaker 3: what's happening in the Middle East.
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Speaker 7: It is a regrettable error.
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Speaker 1: It was corrected.
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Speaker 7: The ABC will always correct errors when they are made
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Speaker 7: plain and clear.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 3: I want to go to something that Laura Tingle said
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Speaker 3: on the ABC. She's of course a board remember the
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Speaker 3: staff elected board member, and this is what she said
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Speaker 3: about the Bondai terrorist atrocity.
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Speaker 13: These two men were got nothing to do with religion.
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Speaker 13: These two men were got nothing to do with religiack what.
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Speaker 3: Is going on there where Laura Tingle would say an
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Speaker 3: aged Islamist terrorist attack against a Jewish function has got
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Speaker 3: nothing to do with religion.
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Speaker 7: I couldn't actually hear very clearly then, clearly that was
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Speaker 7: a most egregious attack. It is an attack that the
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Speaker 7: ABC has covered extensively, has done so, I think in
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Speaker 7: a comprehensive and entirely fair minded day way, from the
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Speaker 7: very day of the initial attack.
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Speaker 3: I just think the ABC's anti Israel bias and pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian bias has been palpable since October the seventh, twenty three.
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Speaker 3: I want to show you something that media watch. This
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Speaker 3: refers to me and my reporting. It goes to this
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Speaker 3: point where where the ABC was playing down anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: in this country long before BONDI have a look.
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Speaker 15: Chris Kenny and Robert Gregory from the Australian Jewish Association
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Speaker 15: were focused on the rise of antisemitism in Australia. On
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Speaker 15: our account, it's around the thirtieth time it's been discussed
21:18
Speaker 15: on Kenny's show since the war began.
21:21
Speaker 3: Somehow we were the problem focusing on antisemitism after we've
21:26
Speaker 3: seen what's happened in this country that led all the
21:28
Speaker 3: way up to the Bondai attack. How could the ABC
21:31
Speaker 3: possibly be telling people that we were the problem for
21:34
Speaker 3: talking about anti semitism.
21:36
Speaker 7: Chris, you can't possibly expect me to comment on an
21:40
Speaker 7: excerpt of Paul Barry on Media Watch without the context
21:44
Speaker 7: and without all of the subsequent Well, there's no information
21:48
Speaker 7: which which he carried.
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Speaker 1: But the point you're saying.
21:51
Speaker 7: The ABC is in any way guilty of some anti
21:56
Speaker 7: Semitic bias in its reporting. Think you need to do
22:00
Speaker 7: a much better job in demonstrating.
22:03
Speaker 1: That, And I verbally me, I've never said anything.
22:06
Speaker 7: Of the fairness. The Royal Commission submission on by the
22:10
Speaker 7: ABC is one of the most substantial that has been
22:14
Speaker 7: made to the Royal Commission. It is a very sober
22:17
Speaker 7: and careful recital of all that the ABC has in
22:21
Speaker 7: terms of its editorial fabric, in terms of complaints mechanisms,
22:25
Speaker 7: in terms of the responsiveness and corrections that have been
22:28
Speaker 7: made on the four stories that have in one instance
22:32
Speaker 7: been guilty of errors of fact and in the other
22:37
Speaker 7: instance of impartiality on the Triple Jay Network. I'm very
22:41
Speaker 7: conscious the ABC has bent over backwards to try to
22:46
Speaker 7: reflect a diversity of views in relation to really, really
22:51
Speaker 7: unpleasant conflicts that persist in the Middle East, and to
22:56
Speaker 7: do so in a way that reflects the best principles
22:59
Speaker 7: of objective journal is.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing my best not to interrupt you because I
23:02
Speaker 3: don't I don't want to be a Sarah Ferguson to
23:04
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor or some such.
23:06
Speaker 1: I want to practice what we preach. But I've never
23:09
Speaker 1: accused the ABC of being andti Semitic. I'm saying this.
23:12
Speaker 3: The anti Israel reporting of the ABC, some of it misreporting,
23:18
Speaker 3: has built up this demonization of Israel. It's helped to
23:22
Speaker 3: contribute to the environment in Australia where we've seen the
23:24
Speaker 3: rise of anti Semitism, as you saw there on media
23:27
Speaker 3: that watch as well.
23:28
Speaker 1: Talking down the threat of antisemitism.
23:30
Speaker 3: Now, there have been some egregious errors that the ABC,
23:33
Speaker 3: along with other media have run. Accusing Israel of bombing
23:36
Speaker 3: a hospital and keep killing five hundred people false. Accusing
23:40
Speaker 3: Israel of deliberately targeting aid deliveries false. Accusing Israel of
23:44
Speaker 3: putting fourteen thousand babies on the brink of starvation false.
23:48
Speaker 3: The list goes on, why do all the notes there
23:51
Speaker 3: are precisely four stories amongst thousands of stories, there are
23:56
Speaker 3: many other stories where the ABC recites Yaza health ministry
24:01
Speaker 3: numbers and the like, without without sharing the.
24:04
Speaker 1: Fact that this is Hummus.
24:05
Speaker 3: Figures that they're sharing the propaganda put about by Hummus.
24:10
Speaker 3: They often refer to Hummas and Hezblara's militants rather than terrorists.
24:15
Speaker 1: That the list goes on.
24:17
Speaker 3: And whenever there is a mistake, and the most stakes
24:20
Speaker 3: that you have referred to, they always are a mistakes
24:23
Speaker 3: in the reporting that demonizes Israel.
24:25
Speaker 1: There never seems to be an error that goes the
24:27
Speaker 1: other way.
24:28
Speaker 3: That looks that justifies any action by Israel or demonizes
24:32
Speaker 3: the terrorists.
24:33
Speaker 1: Can you explain that coincidence.
24:36
Speaker 7: Chris, I'm not here to actually piece some kind of
24:40
Speaker 7: punching bag on assertions that you're just throwing at me.
24:44
Speaker 3: I'm not asking you out of these issues.
24:48
Speaker 7: I don't think that is a fair minded approach to
24:51
Speaker 7: one of the most disciplined bodies of coverage, in fact,
24:55
Speaker 7: probably the most comprehensive and disciplined body of coverage over
25:00
Speaker 7: all of the unattractive events in the Middle East that
25:04
Speaker 7: have happened since October seventh, or twenty twenty three.
25:08
Speaker 3: Let me share them with viewers. What you have said
25:10
Speaker 3: about what's going on in Israel. This is from an
25:12
Speaker 3: interview in the Good Weekend magazine and the nine newspapers.
25:16
Speaker 3: And you've said that you don't think Benjamin Netanyahu, the
25:19
Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister, is part of the very long, deep
25:22
Speaker 3: history of Israel. You think he's an a barrant, a
25:25
Speaker 3: barrant creature. You think he's frankly, an aberrant creature in
25:28
Speaker 3: the history of Israel. Then you check yourself and saying
25:31
Speaker 3: that's not a very appropriate thing for you to say,
25:33
Speaker 3: and you shouldn't really be saying it.
25:35
Speaker 1: So is that the case that your attitude.
25:38
Speaker 7: As I said at the time, Chris, I think it
25:41
Speaker 7: was an inappropriate thing for me to say in speaking
25:45
Speaker 7: to journalists. One is on the record. I do believe
25:49
Speaker 7: that when I'm a keen student of all things about
25:53
Speaker 7: Israel and about the history of Israel, about the diversity
25:57
Speaker 7: of views that exist in Israel, I'm a very keen
26:01
Speaker 7: follower of matters to do with the Jewish faith, and
26:04
Speaker 7: I do believe that Benjamin Netanyahu is an aberrant figure
26:09
Speaker 7: in the leadership of Israel as a nation. I make
26:13
Speaker 7: no apology for that, I do make an apology for
26:16
Speaker 7: expressing a view in a time of great conflict and
26:19
Speaker 7: where there is division and society, and I think it
26:22
Speaker 7: was inappropriate on my part.
26:24
Speaker 3: He's loathed by many in the political context around the
26:26
Speaker 3: world and in Israel because he's a conservative. But the
26:30
Speaker 3: last time I was in Israel, which was just over
26:32
Speaker 3: a year ago, the one thing that united all all
26:36
Speaker 3: of that very vibrant and pluralistic democracy that you would
26:40
Speaker 3: understand is that they support Benjamin Netanya, who defending their country.
26:43
Speaker 3: This is a country under attack from Hamas in the south,
26:46
Speaker 3: Hesballa in the north, the Hoodies and directly from Iran.
26:50
Speaker 1: Is he not the leader who.
26:51
Speaker 3: Was actually defending his people in a very very strong
26:55
Speaker 3: and necessary way at the moment.
26:56
Speaker 7: He is certainly the leader of the nation as such
27:01
Speaker 7: deserves all of the necessary respect that leaders of nations deserve.
27:06
Speaker 3: Kim Williams, I'm really pleased you came on to the
27:09
Speaker 3: show because I think it's important that the taxpayers get
27:12
Speaker 3: to hear what the ABC has got to say. But
27:15
Speaker 3: I'm very surprised that you don't agree is any issue
27:19
Speaker 3: of bias to address there on primate change.
27:21
Speaker 7: It just really not that we'd actually gone into some
27:24
Speaker 7: of the other things at the ABC that are fundamental
27:28
Speaker 7: to living an Australian life. Where would Australian children be
27:32
Speaker 7: without the vast output of children's content that the ABC
27:36
Speaker 7: produces uniquely in our nation.
27:38
Speaker 3: There is plenty more I'd like to talk to you about,
27:41
Speaker 3: including those things, and so if we could do this
27:43
Speaker 3: maybe once every six.
27:44
Speaker 1: Months, that would be a wonderful thing.
27:46
Speaker 7: Well, I look forward to having a more diverse coverage
27:50
Speaker 7: on subjects. Let's do again, precious Nation.
27:55
Speaker 3: Thanks Kim Williams, Thanks so much for joining. That is
27:57
Speaker 3: Kim Williams, the chairman of the ABE. I've asked many
28:00
Speaker 3: of them in the past, including the manager directors.
28:03
Speaker 1: They haven't turned up.
28:04
Speaker 3: So I dipped my lid to Kim Williams for being
28:06
Speaker 3: here and I look forward to catching up with him.
28:07
Speaker 1: Again later in the year. We'll take a break.
28:10
Speaker 3: On the other side of that, Anne rustin, we'll talk
28:12
Speaker 3: about the talk of a female quota at the Liberal Party.
28:15
Speaker 3: Also Alexander Downer on global affairs. Don't go away, Let's
28:23
Speaker 3: go to Melbourne catch up with Shadow Health Minister Senator
28:26
Speaker 3: Anne rust and thanks for joining us. You'll be very
28:29
Speaker 3: pleased to know that the chairman of the ABC says
28:31
Speaker 3: there is no bias issues at the ABC on the
28:34
Speaker 3: Middle East, on climate change, on net zero, on indigenous issues.
28:39
Speaker 1: So there you go.
28:40
Speaker 3: The National Broadcaster is open slather for fair and free
28:43
Speaker 3: debate from here on in.
28:46
Speaker 16: Well, I must have been Chris pall I was sitting
28:47
Speaker 16: here waiting to go on your show. I had the
28:49
Speaker 16: privilege of listening to your interview and can I say
28:52
Speaker 16: I listened with great interest.
28:54
Speaker 3: Would you buy that that there is no bias issue
28:56
Speaker 3: at the ABC?
28:59
Speaker 16: Well, I think it's been a matter of much public
29:01
Speaker 16: debate and much public recourse, and I've sat through many
29:04
Speaker 16: estimates hearings and you know, quite frankly, have been aghast
29:07
Speaker 16: at some of the evidence that's been provided by the
29:09
Speaker 16: ABC in defense of some of the things that, like you,
29:13
Speaker 16: I think would probably be very questionable as to whether
29:16
Speaker 16: they were impartial and based on fact. So I thought
29:20
Speaker 16: your interview was very interesting and I look forward to
29:23
Speaker 16: the six monthly interviews you're going to be having with
29:25
Speaker 16: Kim from now on.
29:26
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, well enough on the ABC, Let's go to
29:28
Speaker 3: other issues. The Prime Minister spoke at length about AI yesterday,
29:33
Speaker 3: your leader Angus Taylor says he's really dealing with this
29:36
Speaker 3: through more bureaucracy.
29:38
Speaker 1: What action is required if we're to.
29:40
Speaker 3: Get the benefits and guard against any threats from AI.
29:44
Speaker 16: Well, I think you know, there is a real opportunity
29:47
Speaker 16: for Australia when it comes to using these sorts of
29:50
Speaker 16: technologies for productivity, advancement and innovation. But they need to
29:54
Speaker 16: be used and designed in a way that actually gives
29:56
Speaker 16: benefit to Australians, creates Australian jobs, productivity, so living standards
30:02
Speaker 16: in Australia go up. And basically what we heard from
30:04
Speaker 16: the Prime Ministry yesterday was just a whole load of
30:08
Speaker 16: words that really didn't actually give any confidence to people
30:13
Speaker 16: like me that were listening that he really knew what
30:15
Speaker 16: he was talking about. I mean world leading what I mean?
30:19
Speaker 16: You know, the world has been dealing with this issue
30:21
Speaker 16: for a very long time. Australia has put in place
30:25
Speaker 16: much over recent times, and yet the Prime Minister now
30:29
Speaker 16: somehow wakes up, you know, yesterday morning, decides he's going
30:31
Speaker 16: to do some world leading whatever.
30:33
Speaker 1: I mean.
30:34
Speaker 16: He really should just get on with the job of
30:35
Speaker 16: making sure that he's driving productivity in this nation. And
30:38
Speaker 16: I think he's got a few questions to answer about
30:40
Speaker 16: the timing of this announcement, particularly with the Labor Party
30:43
Speaker 16: conference next week, because we do know that there is
30:47
Speaker 16: some concerns about the influence the unions want to have
30:50
Speaker 16: about the use of AI and the development of AI
30:52
Speaker 16: as an industry in Australia.
30:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's desperate to change the subject from
30:57
Speaker 3: the budget and the rest of it as well. But
30:59
Speaker 3: there's one of the things that interests me is we're
31:01
Speaker 3: just the federal public service expand by almost a third
31:05
Speaker 3: since Labor came to office, forty five thousand extra bureaucrats.
31:09
Speaker 3: I would have thought with the rise of AI we
31:11
Speaker 3: could have fewer bureaucrats. A lot of the back office
31:13
Speaker 3: processing should lead to some efficiencies. And also looking to
31:18
Speaker 3: the future where where health is such a cost burden
31:21
Speaker 3: for the nation, we all want the best healthcare, but
31:23
Speaker 3: we know it's so expensive.
31:25
Speaker 1: There must be.
31:26
Speaker 3: Terrific opportunities to use AI and health care to.
31:31
Speaker 1: Get better services at a reduced cost.
31:35
Speaker 16: Look absolutely, and you know I've been saying for quite
31:38
Speaker 16: some time the importance of getting the regulatory infrastructure in
31:42
Speaker 16: place to make sure that we are having the opportunity
31:44
Speaker 16: to maximize the opportunity because the innovation that can be
31:48
Speaker 16: delivered by AI as long as we know that the
31:51
Speaker 16: privacy protections on our data are such that Australians can
31:56
Speaker 16: have confidence that their data is being protected. But if
32:00
Speaker 16: we can provide that confidence by a regulatory framework that
32:04
Speaker 16: does that, the opportunities are absolutely enormous. And the Prime
32:07
Speaker 16: Minister's answer to this seems to be to set up
32:09
Speaker 16: another bureaucratic organization within the public service. I mean, the
32:13
Speaker 16: private sector will deliver this for Australia. What the government
32:16
Speaker 16: needs to do is actually get the settings right, put
32:19
Speaker 16: the infrastructure in place, and make sure that the environment
32:22
Speaker 16: for the private sector to develop is one that's conducive
32:25
Speaker 16: for that development, but puts the protections in place that
32:28
Speaker 16: gives Australian's confidence that things are going to be okay
32:32
Speaker 16: and their data is protected.
32:34
Speaker 3: Now, we've just come through a period where the coalition
32:36
Speaker 3: did little bit talk about itself and I think that's
32:38
Speaker 3: a large part why the polls were so bad. You've
32:41
Speaker 3: started to recover in the polls because I think you've
32:43
Speaker 3: been focusing on the issues that matter to.
32:45
Speaker 1: People a bit more. Yet, today in the news.
32:47
Speaker 3: It's all about Liberal Party female quotas. Can't you just
32:51
Speaker 3: make a call on this issue once and for all
32:53
Speaker 3: and get on with it because people need the Liberal
32:56
Speaker 3: Party focused on the actual issues.
32:59
Speaker 16: Look, I couldn't more Chris about the importance of talking
33:02
Speaker 16: about the things that matter to Australians and what is
33:05
Speaker 16: more important the economy and what is more important than
33:08
Speaker 16: people's well being, their livelihoods, their standards of living. I mean,
33:12
Speaker 16: I don't think there'd be anybody in Australia who wouldn't
33:14
Speaker 16: want their politicians to be talking about the things that
33:17
Speaker 16: are important.
33:17
Speaker 1: All right, So female quavis yes or no, and then
33:20
Speaker 1: move on.
33:22
Speaker 16: Look, to be perfectly honest, I've always been somebody who
33:25
Speaker 16: believed in the meritocracy, but we do need more female
33:28
Speaker 16: representation and I think everything should be on the table
33:31
Speaker 16: for a discussion, but I agree that it needs to
33:33
Speaker 16: be quick. Get it over with, get on with the
33:36
Speaker 16: job of that restructure piece that they're talking about by
33:38
Speaker 16: the review, and get onto the things that matter to
33:41
Speaker 16: Australians and that's their standard of living and making sure
33:43
Speaker 16: we're focusing on them instead of ourselves.
33:45
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us and appreciate it.
33:47
Speaker 3: Senator Anne Rustin there, Liberal for South Australia, joining US
33:50
Speaker 3: from Melbourne. I want to get onto international affairs now
33:53
Speaker 3: because Donald Trump is warned of a major escalation in
33:55
Speaker 3: the conflict with Iran, threatening to wipe out Iran's Revolutionary Guard.
34:00
Speaker 3: Is the latest from our Washington correspondent Jonathan Kurzley.
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Speaker 5: This is America's show of military might on display against Iran,
34:08
Speaker 5: and it might soon go to a devastating new level.
34:12
Speaker 7: You came to the conclusion that you couldn't negotiate with
34:14
Speaker 7: the IRGC. Does that mean that you might wipe them
34:18
Speaker 7: out like you did? Isis?
34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 10: We will see what's happening.
34:22
Speaker 1: We received a call just as I was coming here.
34:25
Speaker 1: They want to meet. They always want to meet.
34:27
Speaker 5: US forces have conducted more strikes inside Iran and confirmed
34:31
Speaker 5: it had to destabilize the ship trying to breach the
34:34
Speaker 5: blockade of Iranian ports. The President is trying to force
34:38
Speaker 5: Iran's hand.
34:39
Speaker 2: I don't like giving the deadlines, but they pretty much
34:42
Speaker 2: know they know the story.
34:44
Speaker 3: They better behave Let's go to Australia's longest serving foreignerst
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Speaker 3: to Alexander down A, joining US live from London. Thanks
34:52
Speaker 3: for talking to us again, Alexander, I think when we
34:55
Speaker 3: hear these comments about the IRGC, it's worthwhile for our
34:59
Speaker 3: audience to here you explain around Revolutionary Guard and just
35:04
Speaker 3: what sort of an organization it is, how important it
35:06
Speaker 3: is to the country and to the regime.
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Speaker 17: Well, it is the regime particularly now the ayotoler Is,
35:17
Speaker 17: that is, the supreme leader is incapacitated, so we don't
35:21
Speaker 17: know whether he has any control at all over the country.
35:25
Speaker 17: The IRGC is it's like a paramilitary organization which completely
35:33
Speaker 17: controls the Iranian public. And they are religious and political
35:41
Speaker 17: extremists imposing on the Iranian people there bizarre interpretation and
35:48
Speaker 17: the extremist interpretation of Islam. But more than that, they
35:54
Speaker 17: have ambitions to change the religious and political structure of
35:59
Speaker 17: the Middle East and for that matter, other parts of
36:03
Speaker 17: the world. So this is an organization which is a
36:08
Speaker 17: huge threat to Israel, of course first and foremost, but
36:13
Speaker 17: also to its neighbors. And Donald Trump is right, the
36:18
Speaker 17: IRGC ultimately has to lose power in Iran if Iran
36:24
Speaker 17: is going to join the mainstream of the international community.
36:29
Speaker 3: So when Donald Trump says he wants to take out
36:32
Speaker 3: the IRGC, he is saying really that he is focused
36:36
Speaker 3: on regime change.
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Speaker 17: Ultimately, yes, I mean unless within the IRGC, the more
36:45
Speaker 17: moderate faction takes control of it. At the moment, it's
36:50
Speaker 17: very divided between its most extreme wing, and the moderates
36:54
Speaker 17: are pretty extreme as well, as I've been describing. So
37:00
Speaker 17: there's obviously at the moment a lot of tension between
37:03
Speaker 17: those two if you like factions within the IRGC. And
37:09
Speaker 17: then there's the Iranian government as well, which is the
37:13
Speaker 17: president and the foreign minister and so on, and they
37:16
Speaker 17: are more moderate and more rational, irrational people. So when
37:21
Speaker 17: you talk about regime change, I don't think for a
37:25
Speaker 17: minute you're going to get the blooming of a liberal
37:28
Speaker 17: democracy like Australia or New Zealand happening in the Iran
37:32
Speaker 17: anytime soon, if ever. But you might see in time
37:40
Speaker 17: moderation and more moderate faction sees control. But by the way,
37:48
Speaker 17: Donald Trump is completely right to be taking this decisive
37:53
Speaker 17: action now. A memorandum of understanding he's signed a little
37:57
Speaker 17: while ago, a month or so ago, was very damaging
38:02
Speaker 17: to America and America's interests and Western interests. It was
38:06
Speaker 17: a very weak memorandum should never have been signed by
38:10
Speaker 17: the Americans. So this is better.
38:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, just quickly, you're on Donald Trump.
38:17
Speaker 3: He's addressing the nation tomorrow eleven o'clock Australian time.
38:23
Speaker 1: We're understood.
38:24
Speaker 3: I'd be very surprised if he didn't have something to
38:26
Speaker 3: say about Iran, but he may not because the real
38:28
Speaker 3: focus is on election interference in the US and speculation
38:32
Speaker 3: it's going to focus on Chinese election interference.
38:36
Speaker 1: What will you be expecting to see tomorrow, Well.
38:40
Speaker 17: What I'd hope to see from him is a robust
38:44
Speaker 17: and clear explanation of his ambitions towards Iran and the
38:49
Speaker 17: opening and the Strait of Poor mus and those issues
38:54
Speaker 17: are going to be I suspect ultimately much more important
38:58
Speaker 17: to the world. Whether there's Chinese interference in American elections,
39:04
Speaker 17: I have no idea, I have no information about that,
39:08
Speaker 17: but I wouldn't have thought an address to the nation
39:13
Speaker 17: should be focused on something like that. I think an
39:17
Speaker 17: address to the nation should focus on the Iran war.
39:21
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I hope you're right.
39:22
Speaker 3: It should be about what's happening in the Middle East.
39:24
Speaker 3: But we shall see. Thanks for joining us again, Alexander.
39:27
Speaker 3: Alexander down to the Live from London, and make sure
39:30
Speaker 3: you join Sky News tomorrow eleven o'clock Eastern Australian time.
39:33
Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning.
39:34
Speaker 3: We'll carry that major address for Donald Trump Live. The
39:37
Speaker 3: President has reportedly declassified intelligence on investigation in the US elections,
39:43
Speaker 3: but as we were just saying, surely he'll focus on
39:45
Speaker 3: the Middle East as well, we shall see.
39:48
Speaker 14: Well, we better take a break. After the break, we'll
39:50
Speaker 14: catch up on sport. You never guess what happened to
39:52
Speaker 14: England at the World Cup. Plenty more to talk about
39:54
Speaker 14: as well.
39:58
Speaker 1: Let's get into the national cabinet.
40:00
Speaker 3: Tim Blair joins us from western Victoria and Mark Nicholson
40:04
Speaker 3: joins us from the greedy.
40:06
Speaker 1: Heartland in the inner north of Melbourne.
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Speaker 12: Thanks both of you for joining us. Mark, let's start
40:11
Speaker 12: with you.
40:11
Speaker 3: You must be so excited about the future in this
40:13
Speaker 3: country now that Albo's decided he's going to work up
40:16
Speaker 3: an AI plan, presumably with the help of AI.
40:22
Speaker 2: Mate. I don't think he has a clue what he's
40:23
Speaker 2: talking about. To be honest, I don't trust a word
40:26
Speaker 2: he says. All I think with this I'm going to
40:28
Speaker 2: pull in all this extra regulation is I'm pretty certain
40:30
Speaker 2: the first task is I need to get all these
40:33
Speaker 2: AI bikini photos off the internet. I think that's all
40:36
Speaker 2: he's focused on. I don't think he cares about anything else.
40:39
Speaker 2: He just wants these bikini That's the job number one.
40:41
Speaker 1: Get him up the internet.
40:42
Speaker 12: Please.
40:43
Speaker 14: I wish I knew you were going to say that,
40:45
Speaker 14: we would have got some of those some of those
40:47
Speaker 14: bikini shots up on screen.
40:48
Speaker 12: But after the shape people can go Google. Now let's
40:53
Speaker 12: have a look.
40:54
Speaker 1: Here's his plan.
40:54
Speaker 14: Before I get your thoughts, Tim, here's Albow's plan for
40:57
Speaker 14: AI effective.
41:00
Speaker 15: I am establishing the Office of AI in my own
41:03
Speaker 15: department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.
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Speaker 12: It's just brilliant, Tim, effective yesterday.
41:10
Speaker 14: So there already one day into an office in his
41:13
Speaker 14: office that's going to change the world.
41:16
Speaker 18: Well, I feel deeply reassured that this government, which has
41:21
Speaker 18: made no mistakes at all, is taking on the extremely
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Speaker 18: complicated realm of artificial intelligence, and that sorry, the most
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Speaker 18: competent member of the government of them all, the Prime
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Speaker 18: Minister himself, is going to be in charge. We are doomed.
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Speaker 3: Just the just by the way I noticed today and
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Speaker 3: I dipsmal lid to the ABC this time because there
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Speaker 3: was an ABC report that highlighted that for me, Ourbow's broken.
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Speaker 3: Another promise he said clearly at the Gama Festival in
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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory last year, he.
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Speaker 1: Said, I'll be here when I'm Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Every year. That's my garantee. Every year is pipe PM,
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Speaker 3: I'll be there. Except he's not going this year because
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Speaker 3: he's on holidays. Apparently, Mark, this is all of the peace.
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Speaker 2: Yep, mate, Everyone's on bloody holidays.
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Speaker 12: I don't know what this is.
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Speaker 8: Is this normal?
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Speaker 2: Everyone takes the entire middle of the year off. Everyone
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Speaker 2: I know is on bloody holidays. I don't get it,
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Speaker 2: but I think this is he's just trying to get
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Speaker 2: out of here. I think he's just like what demographic
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Speaker 2: is left for me to disappoint, and he's just trying
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Speaker 2: to find him so we can get out to his
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Speaker 2: little beach house. He's trying to get out of there,
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Speaker 2: is quick smart.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's on holidays in Europe too.
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Speaker 14: Pauline Hansen's there, Gina rein Art's there, everybody in the
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Speaker 14: media is there.
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Speaker 12: Come home, people. It's nice hearing footy season go to
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Speaker 12: Europe in winter.
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Speaker 14: Now excitement, there is excitement in the publishing world that
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Speaker 14: comes in the form of a memoir. This is what
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Speaker 14: cracks me up from Joe Biden a memoir. I don't
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Speaker 14: know what he's remembering or how, but here he is
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Speaker 14: talking about it.
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Speaker 19: Since that's the presidency, I've had a lot of people
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Speaker 19: ask me, Joe, what have you been doing. I've read
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Speaker 19: a book about my time as president. It's called Promise
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Speaker 19: Me America. It's coming out November's why I chose to
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Speaker 19: run for re election and why I chose to step aside.
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Speaker 14: I think we know why he chose to set beside.
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Speaker 14: Tim Do you really think he's been sitting in the
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Speaker 14: study type and away on this thing.
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Speaker 18: I mean, the whole premise is a lie. He did
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Speaker 18: not choose to step aside, so god knows. Boys bothered
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Speaker 18: to write a book about it. But it's plainly been
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Speaker 18: written by a ghostwriter. But what's the what's the metaphysical situation?
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Speaker 18: When you're a ghostwriter writing for a guy who's basically dead,
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Speaker 18: you know, you're like you're in an entirely different look
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Speaker 18: the guy. Yeah, ses write a book really easy. But
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Speaker 18: we think about this book is it will go straight
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Speaker 18: to the top of the top of the best seller lists,
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Speaker 18: and no one will have read it because it gets
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Speaker 18: bull up by all the big institutions, all the big libraries.
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Speaker 18: Book publishing the US is basically a left wing money
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Speaker 18: siphoning machine. So yeah, he'll sell a bunch of books
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Speaker 18: and no one will be a single word of it.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to read it because I want to
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Speaker 3: find out what he's got to say about this episode
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Speaker 3: in the debate.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 19: The total initiative relative to what we're going to do
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Speaker 19: with more border patrol and more as officers.
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Speaker 1: President Trump.
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Speaker 10: I really don't know what he said at the end
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Speaker 10: of this, and I don't think he knows what he
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Speaker 10: said either.
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Speaker 1: Mark.
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Speaker 14: If he didn't know what he was saying during the debate,
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Speaker 14: what's he going to tell us he thinks he was
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Speaker 14: saying a few years later.
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I think he's actually going to
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Speaker 2: read the book and go this is fascinating. I have
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Speaker 2: no idea I thinking to He's going to be, Wow,
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Speaker 2: this is a fantastic book.
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Speaker 12: The auto pen write it.
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Speaker 1: By the way, this is going.
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Speaker 12: To be another the autopen. Of course, next job of
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Speaker 12: the auto pen. That's what happens with AI old day
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Speaker 12: the autopen.
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Speaker 14: Just dig your signature now with AI, the autopen writes
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Speaker 14: a whole book.
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Speaker 18: Bo doesn't write it for it.
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Speaker 12: Great stuff, guys, we'll catch you next week. Catch you
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Speaker 12: next week.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Tim Blair and mart Nicholson. There just
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Speaker 3: a bit of time to share some of your thoughts
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Speaker 3: about what we had to say last night about the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister and AI. Big tech companies required dependable power,
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Speaker 3: not windmills and solar dreams. If there's a way to
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Speaker 3: mess things up, Albow will find it, says one viewer.
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Speaker 3: Another says, all the AI companies will want to come
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Speaker 3: to Australia for commercial business, but the catch is you
45:35
Speaker 3: will need to bring your own power generators.
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Speaker 1: And we just skip to the last one. I know
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Speaker 1: it's a ripper. We can get it.
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Speaker 12: They need to create a huge AI data.
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Speaker 1: Center in Canberra.
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Speaker 14: It's devoid of any intelligence whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: That'll do it.
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Speaker 3: We'll get an AI center in Canberra and they'll run
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Speaker 3: the country.
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Speaker 1: Lord help us.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. I'll be back next week. Here
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Speaker 3: is Jamie Rodgers with Kredlin