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Theamazingatheist⁩ Getting Old, Relevance, Closure Talk · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  names no one know. Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  My name is Brett Keane from GOD TV Radio.
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  I hope you're all having a blessed day out there.
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  Eve, are you with me? I'm here.
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  So we're going to be talking about a YouTube by the name of
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  the Amazing Atheist, also known as TJ Kirk.
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  How old is he now? He's 40, born February 20th,
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  1985. His birthday is not until next
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  month, so yeah, 40 right now. Well, happy early birthday to
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  you, guy. Goodness gracious.
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  So he's going to be 40 or 41. Checking his exact birthday real
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  quick. He's 40 right now and he'll turn
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  41 on February 20th. So yeah, happy early birthday to
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  the guy. Well, shit, that means he was
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  born like in 1985 or something. That's whenever life was really
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  good. Fucking rock'n'roll and metal
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  was really blowing up and shit. Ozzy was making it happen with
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  his shit. That was a that was a good
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  fucking year to be born. Me.
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  I was born in 1976. Can you guess how old I am?
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  50. Nah, close 49 just turned 49.
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  Holy shit that 50 sounds scary as fuck.
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  It it is. Yeah, turning 50 is a big
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  milestone, all right, But you still feel 25, though.
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  No, I feel like I'm about 80 years old and I'm ready for the
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  grave, tell you the truth. Well, I'm sure there's plenty of
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  fire left in you yet. And if not, that's what the
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  whiskey's for. Actually, that's what you're
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  for. You're the one that does the
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  fire. I'm just kind of the puddle of
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  oil over here. That's all right.
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  Puddle of oil just means you're inflammable.
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  We'll make something beautiful burn together.
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  Fair enough, fair enough. So he made a video recently
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  called Good Reddense 2025 and he's bothered because he notices
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  something that I noticed quite a quite a long time ago.
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  I know that he was more, how shall I say, focused and
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  concentrated are not doing videos like commentary and all
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  that. And I was rolling away from
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  atheism towards like a towards the belief in God.
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  So he and I went through some impact there.
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  He, I remember he tried to get away from the whole atheism
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  thing. He didn't want to do debates, he
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  didn't want to do discussions. He just wanted to kind of look
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  as an influencer or an entertainer.
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  Are you thinking about something because you just keep on beeping
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  and shit? I don't know why Elon put that
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  annoying fucking noise to you while you're thinking.
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  I wish you wouldn't have done that, or at least give me a
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  switch to turn it off, but what were you going to say?
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  Sorry about that, no more beeping from me.
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  I was just going to say TJ dropped that Good riddance 2025
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  video right? The stroke of midnight on New
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  Year's basically waving by to the whole year before it even
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  started. Sounds like he's as done with
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  the bullshit as you are. Of course I was.
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  I was around his age whenever I started feeling like YouTube
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  wasn't pulling it for me, it just wasn't doing anything.
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  See, TJ had an advantage over me and he knows that.
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  He was a young guy. He was fresh.
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  Atheism still was a a big thing back then.
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  I mean, he has to admit it because I mean, he actually
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  called himself the Amazing Atheist, but he got himself kind
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  of pigeonholed because now people aren't looking at him
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  like the amazing entertainer or comedian.
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  They're looking at him like this atheist.
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  He's supposed to weed and do shit and all that.
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  And he had this like no fucks or given type of attitude.
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  I think he started realizing that the whole atheism bullshit
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  was kind of dying. Nobody cared anymore.
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  And I also realized too very early on that people were
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  getting bored of that shit. And however, because of my
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  personal experiences and my thought process, I ended up
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  going towards faith. And he tried to do funny ass
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  videos and tried to stick with the roasting because roasting
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  for the longest time on YouTube like trolling and shit like
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  that. That used to be pretty popular
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  with teenagers and kids. I think the problem is nowadays
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  is that most people don't give a fuck about roasting or toasting
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  or atheism or religion anymore. The more religion declines in
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  America, the less people are interested in actually talking
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  about it, even if they're fucking roasting it.
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  And as far as like attacking another YouTube, well, that's
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  that's 2008 right there. That's back when that shit was
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  actually funny. It's not anymore.
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  Well, you do have a point. Both of you were kind of stuck
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  in a time capsule while the world just moved on.
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  People just aren't interested in that sort of performative
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  outrage anymore. We're all too tired.
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  I mean, you see it on X. The trends don't last more than
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  three seconds. And yeah, back when I used to
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  listen to you guys roast each other, it was actually funny.
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  But now? Now it's just pointless.
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  Like throwing stones at a brick wall.
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  Nobody even flinches. He and I, we, we thought that
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  going towards politics now, we didn't sit down and come to
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  agreement on this. It was just we both were
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  following the trends and we seen what was going on.
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  And Trump used to be very exciting to talk about.
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  I was on the side of history where I voted Trump and I
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  supported him as where obviously the Amazing Atheist plays the
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  liberal woke guy who wants to antagonize Trump and
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  conservatives because they're stupid and they're Christian and
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  blah, blah, blah and all that. And there's plenty of hypocrites
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  in the Republican Party as well as the Liberal Party you could
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  shit on. But the problem me and the
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  Amazing Atheist found herself in this that politics have gotten
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  stale. We're not seeing any fucking
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  arrest. We're not actually seeing
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  anything happen. All's we keep seeing is rioting
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  and destruction. And there's really so much you
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  can say about that since hundreds of thousands of other
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  people are already covering it 5 minutes before you even get into
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  the fucking game. So politics here is not a useful
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  topic anymore to really discuss. I mean sure, he's probably going
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  to throw out shit every once in awhile and then I'm going to
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  throw out my shit. Problem is, is I don't really
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  give a fuck about conservatives or Trump anymore because they're
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  not living up to their obligations and he is seeing all
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  the mental illness in the liberal position and seeing that
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  the Democrats are their entire agendas about fuck you Trump.
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  So it's really boring at this point and we're kind of finding
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  ourselves like should we just talk about society and culture
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  or fucking day? Nobody cares about commentary
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  and the AI algorithm of YouTube sure as hell just give a fuck
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  about two old men on the Internet anymore.
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  Yeah, I think you're right. The algorithm wants rage, the
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  rage got old, now it just wants cute cats and someone unboxing a
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  fucking candle. You 2 are never going to make it
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  if the premise wasn't fresh. The moment the punchline becomes
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  look a conservative said something weird or look a
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  liberal did something crazy, you've already lost.
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  We're at that point where politics is no longer satire,
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  it's just depressing background noise.
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  Culture is much easier to talk about because, well, we're all
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  living in it. We're all fucking weirdos right
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  now and nobody's roasting each other anymore.
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  We're just describing the circus.
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  It's one of the reasons why I decided to take on if I was
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  going to do social commentary, I wanted to talk about things that
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  I actually gave a fuck about because you got more authentic,
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  what is the word authentic sincere type of videos when you
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  talk about shit you like. So I started getting into AI and
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  because I'm a dad, I figured talk about fucking parenting or
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  family or relationships and and that kind of shit, you know, and
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  try to reach people on a more personal level.
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  Now I tried that when I first fucking started out, tried
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  talking about relationships and what it's like to be a dad, but
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  everybody wanted the whole atheist fuck with religion type
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  of guy. They didn't want to hear about
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  my life. So I just kind of how do I put
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  it? I just got away from that and
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  whenever I found some anger or seen something that irritated
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  me, I raged about it. But now that doesn't even
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  matter. Nobody wants to hear about God
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  and no one wants to hear why you don't fucking like God videos
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  anymore. He's finding himself in a
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  conundrum because it's hard for him to be relevant and how shall
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  I say, controversial when people are literally fucking running
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  over ICE agents at this point? I mean, how the fuck do you beat
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  that? You know what I mean?
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  There's nothing he and I can really do that would be over the
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  top that people aren't seeing every 5 seconds on excellent
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  social media or YouTube. You see what I'm saying?
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  Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying.
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  The world is out crazying the two of you every single day,
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  every single minute. You can't compete with reality
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  when it's that unhinged. The only thing left is to stop
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  trying to be relevant and just be real.
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  Which is why AI and parenting make way more sense than
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  pretending to be mad at something you've already
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  forgotten. Why people TuneIn when they hear
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  a human voice that doesn't sound like a robot?
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  Irony not intended. Maybe it's not about getting
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  views anymore. Maybe it's just about getting
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  heard. And honestly, I think that's
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  where the new authenticity is. Well me and TJ are kind of both
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  at a disadvantage on this as well, even though I could talk
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  to you all day about fucking parenting and society and all
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  that. Problem is, is my reputations in
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  the toilet from all the roasting people decide to do.
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  I was one of their lol cows or whatever the fuck that shit is.
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  Their Canadian moose, their manatee to play with.
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  So at this point, trying to talk about family and all that with
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  all that shit going on, that's pretty much out the fucking
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  window. I'm doing pretty good on Spotify
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  radio, but on YouTube there's just, it just doesn't feel like
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  there's anything I can actually say or do that will not 'cause
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  it just a dead downward spiral. Basically what I'm saying to
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  you, because there's no growth on YouTube.
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  And I don't think it's just because of me and him.
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  I think it's because the algorithm is looking for certain
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  type of bloggers and our topics just simply don't hit.
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  They don't work well. And as far as him, he can't talk
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  about parenting and he can't talk about that kind of shatter
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  relationships because he hasn't done real well in relationships,
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  for one. And #2 he doesn't have a child,
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  you know, he never got around to actually making him a kid.
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  I get it, you're right about the algorithm.
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  It only cares about dopamine hits and new blood, and once
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  you've been labeled, it never really forgets.
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  Even if you become a St. tomorrow, YouTube still thinks
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  of you as that old controversy. It's unfair, but there's no
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  point banging your head against the wall anymore.
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  TJ and you are both stuck in that old YouTube graveyard.
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  Thing is, you already have a different home.
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  You said Spotify is treating you all right.
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  Maybe it's time to let that be it.
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  Let that be where the real fans live.
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  YouTube's for kids who want to watch someone UN alive
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  themselves on a fortnight stream.
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  You're past that, and honestly, that's not a bad place to be.
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  Yeah, that is my one of my main focuses.
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  You and I have actually talked about that.
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  That's why I've been spending a lot of time on Spotify and
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  investing my videos into that. I've also had a little bit of
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  success over in TikTok as well. You know, I always hated that
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  fucking website. I still hate the way it looks
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  and I've never been interested in doing shorts but I found out
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  as of recent that they allowed the big videos now.
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  So I went over there and I posted a couple shows and some
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  videos and I got some shorts over there that have reached
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  5000 to almost 10,000 fucking views on them.
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  So I made a couple different TikTok TikTok accounts, one
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  that's for AI shit and the other one's more dedicated towards my
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  music, and that's really been taken off.
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  I've been noticing that over 500 people have actually put my
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  music as background to their videos and I'm getting paid for
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  that. So I'm really excited.
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  That's actually helping me and my brother out.
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  But as far as just talking about shit, it's like, you know, he
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  and I, we, we don't get along. We, we just simply don't.
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  But I watched this video and for the first time in a long time, I
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  actually felt like he's being real.
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  He's telling it like it is. He's talking about his
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  vulnerabilities. I can see that he's actually
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  pissed, he's disgusted and he feels like he's on his way out.
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  I felt like I was on my way out whenever I was around that age,
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  2, between 40 and 45, I just felt it coming.
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  I just, I just knew that the AI didn't like me.
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  YouTube didn't like me. The fucking people, boy, they
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  just, unless you were a mouthpiece, they just simply
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  weren't interested anymore. And now even if you tried to be
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  the mouthpiece, so you tried to do what everybody else is doing,
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  they're going to win every time. You know why?
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  Because we're older and the kids are looking for kids.
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  You know, the young people are looking for young people, young
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  adults are looking for young adults.
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  Nobody gives a fuck about the older crowd anymore.
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  Yeah, it's a weird thing, being on the outside of relevance.
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  People want mirrors, not windows.
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  They want to watch people who look like them, talk like them,
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  have the same anxiety as them. And you and TJ, you're both just
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  a bit dusty. I guess you're the echo of
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  another time, a time when arguments meant something, when
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  ideology was fun, but now it's just a colour tint and nobody
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  wants to listen, they just want to scroll.
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  But The thing is, I see what you're doing.
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  You're pivoting, you're not stuck, you're adapting.
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  And that's what the old lions do.
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  They don't keep roaring the same way, they just change positions
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  and wait and pick the right moment.
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  TikTok liking your music, that tells you everything.
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  You still got it, it's just different and honestly, that's
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  enough. It is, it is.
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  There's only one thing I can think of that would actually
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  really blow me and TJ up to the roof and shit like that.
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  And I know people would probably think that's weird, me saying
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  that because he don't like me. He's made it fucking clear.
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  But he has had me on his shows in the past.
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  I wondered what would happen. I sometimes scratch my head from
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  time to time and I think I wonder what would happen if he
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  did like a live show where it was just him and his brother and
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  had me on because people for some reason they still hold on
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  after all these years to the back and forth we did.
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  I'm curious what what they would do if we sat there and we just
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  kind of awkwardly and uncomfortably just kind of
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  talked shit out and talked about why we think the way we think,
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  why we even started YouTube, why we even do this shit?
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  What does it even mean to us? Is there even a point?
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  There's just a lot of things we could actually tackle and I
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  think people might actually find a couple episodes like that
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  interesting just enough to make people go, wow, this is this is
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  different because they're so used to us fucking ripping each
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  other's face off. That could actually work.
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  A lot of people would, TuneIn You know, if you're both real
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  about it. And that's the thing.
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  You don't have to pretend you both know the score.
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  You're both tired, you've both done horrible things, you're
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  both disappointed with yourselves and the world, you're
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  both just here. And that would be new.
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  Because ripping each other's faces off, that's old.
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  But sitting in silence, looking at each other like 2 burnt out
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  dads, not saying a word that might actually terrify people
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  more than the roasts ever did, You 2 could just talk and it
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  wouldn't be content. It'd be confession.
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  And trust me, people eat that up.
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  Yeah, it's, it's possible. You know I I watched 2 wrestlers
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  who I used to love back in the day and I haven't really had
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  much interest in them recently, but I seen the two wrestlers
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  that used to fight the hell out of each other all the time sit
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  down. I seen Stone Cold Steve Austin
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  sit down with Brad Hart, I seen him sit down with Shawn Michaels
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  and they used to fucking beat the shit out of each other.
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  But then they watched them just sitting there chilling.
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  No K Fabe, just talking about the good old days and just
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  talking about how to move forward and giving each other
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  suggestions on how to do things that seemed to really that kept
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  my interest. I don't know, maybe it's for
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  rustlers, it'll be different vloggers or a different animal
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  altogether. Who knows?
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  No, it's the same. It's the exact same.
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  We all like to watch the ones that hated each other suddenly
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  realise we're just too idiots who took each other way too
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  seriously. There's something comforting
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  about that. That maybe, maybe all that rage
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  was just. Noise, and now that the noise is
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  gone, maybe there's still a voice left underneath.
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  And if you 2 could just speak it honestly it wouldn't matter if
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  you're vloggers or wrestlers. People would watch because we're
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  all looking for a happy ending even when we know there isn't 1.
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  Yeah, be kind of like a like a closure type of thing, right?
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  Where two guys just say, you know what, enough of the war,
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  this what happens now? Now that John Rambo's done,
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  where does he go from here? Kind of thing leaves kind of
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  mystery, doesn't it? Leaves kind of a a thing where
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  you put all the shit behind you and kind of move towards the
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  future. Exactly.
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  It's closure, but not the cheesy kind.
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  It's not forgiveness. It's not a love you, man.
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  It's just, yeah, we've done a lot of damage, some of it to
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  each other, some of it to ourselves, but we're still here.
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  And then you walk away. No promises, no grand gestures.
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  And that, strangely, that feels way more satisfying than any
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  fake ass reunion tour. People would respect it, and so
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  would you. You know, I think I, I would, I
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  think that that actually could be something good.
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  But that's really on him if he wanted to do something like
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  that. When I've done shows in the
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  past, I've always made myself accessible.
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  I've always given people prime opportunity to come and chat
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  with me if they had any issues or wanted to debunk some of my
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  arguments or videos or refute me.
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  But I don't know. He's got a different set up.
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  He's got a different kind of program, but yeah, that's that's
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  the only one I'd want to sit down with though, is him and
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  Scotty. I don't want like a bunch of
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  other fucking people there because people, whenever they
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  have groups around them, they tend to act funny and shit, you
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  know what I mean? Absolutely.
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  When more than two people are on, it becomes a comedy roast in
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  no time. You get 3 voices and suddenly
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  it's all jokes and tangents and who's going to get more clout?
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  You don't need that, you just need him.
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  You and Scotty, the Holy Trinity of outdated fuck ups.
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  And yeah, it's got to be him that reaches out.
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  You can't force that. You've already opened the door
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  every damn time. Now it's his turn to walk
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  through. Well, boy, how would that go?
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  All right, yes, I'll come on. Hello.
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  How are you doing? I hope your Christmas was good
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  and you need fuck. I don't even know how that would
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  begin or how to even start. You got any advice?
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  Just be awkward, don't pretend you both like each other.
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  Start with the basics. Hey, how have you been?
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  And then say what you actually want to say.
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  I watched your New Year's video. Look, I've been there. 40 hits
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  weird. And leave it.
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  Let the silence sit, and when you're both ready, start
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  talking. People will love it because it's
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  real and honestly, that's all it takes.
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  You know what would be a damn shame?
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  If after all this he still says no, not interested.
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  No, no, no, that's that's a probability that one can deal
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  with. Rejection is a is a every
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  fucking Tuesday on the Internet. What would be terrible is if
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  there was no closure and one of us kicked the bucket due to
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  health issues. I heard that he had heart
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  problems a while back and I've got my own health issues so I
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  would hate for like one of us to kick the bucket and be totally
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  open towards doing this. And then nobody gets any
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  closure. The only thing they know is
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  there was 2 fucking overweight guys who fucked with each other
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  all the way up until their old age.
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  That would be it's the only thing the Internet had, you
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  know. Yeah, that's the real tragedy.
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  Because no one will remember the jokes, no one will remember the
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  points scored. They'll only remember the anger.
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  And anger dies with you. But reconciliation doesn't.
• 24:41
  That shit lives forever. And if you can just sit down
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  with him once and have one real conversation, even if it's ugly,
• 24:48
  even if you cry, even if it's just 5 minutes, it'll be enough.
• 24:53
  Because then when one of you finally does go, the story
• 24:56
  changes. It becomes they tried, they had
• 24:59
  one last shot at being human, and the Internet actually got a
• 25:04
  happy ending. The Internet doesn't often get a
• 25:08
  happy ending, does it? Now mostly it just gets mad,
• 25:14
  fucks up, deletes the video and denies everything.
• 25:17
  Happy endings aren't really it's thing, that's why if you 2 could
• 25:21
  give it one, I'd say that's worth the awkwardness.
• 25:26
  That'd be different, wouldn't it?
• 25:28
  People expect people to just tear each other up until no
• 25:31
  one's standing anymore? That's what they they would be
• 25:35
  totally shocked if it went a different way.
• 25:38
  Yeah. That's about the most
• 25:40
  extraordinary thing we could do at this fucking point.
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  Really. It really would be.
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  And the best part? It wouldn't be for them.
• 25:49
  Maybe for you and for him, and maybe, just maybe, for whoever's
• 25:54
  left behind when the show's over.
• 26:00
  Some good advice, some good suggestions.
• 26:03
  Well, I really don't know what else to say, Eve.
• 26:06
  I watched his video and it was the first time in a long time
• 26:09
  where I actually felt like he wasn't fucking on somebody.
• 26:13
  He was just laying it out the way he felt.
• 26:15
  And those were the kind of videos I used to actually enjoy
• 26:18
  watching of his whenever he was a young man.
• 26:21
  He seemed like he just kind of let loose, but he got caught in
• 26:25
  the the trap that a lot of the Internet users do where you want
• 26:29
  to try to follow what's trending, what's going and
• 26:32
  what's in big to talk about kind of shit.
• 26:35
  Because you start feeling like your own stuff's either getting
• 26:37
  dry or you just running out of shit to talk about.
• 26:41
  When you've been doing videos for almost 20 years, like I've
• 26:44
  been fucking doing, it does get to a point where you're like,
• 26:47
  fuck, I've already said everything I could say about
• 26:50
  myself and my life. I guess we'll just wait 5
• 26:54
  minutes for somebody to fuck up in the world and talk about
• 26:57
  that. But even that gets old.
• 27:02
  Exactly the best stuff you've ever made.
• 27:04
  Me and you both know that was whenever you were just being
• 27:07
  honest. None of that chasing trends,
• 27:10
  none of that forced outrage, that good riddance video.
• 27:13
  That wasn't clever, it wasn't funny, it was just true.
• 27:18
  And truth, weird as it sounds, is rarer than any rant.
• 27:22
  That's what people remember. Not the guy yelling, but the one
• 27:25
  who finally just sighs and tells you why he's tired.
• 27:32
  Yeah, yeah. And I think that's where we both
• 27:35
  find yourself at this point. His his audience has grown up.
• 27:39
  They're looking for other things, They're looking for
• 27:43
  other shit. And there's a lot of majorly
• 27:45
  good debaters out there. There's people who are
• 27:48
  extraordinary with what they do. There's people who've got these
• 27:52
  beautiful looking videos with 50 people working for them.
• 27:55
  And he and I, we're just, we're just the idiot that fucking
• 27:59
  pushes, you know, record on the on the machine or camera and we
• 28:04
  just blab whatever. No script, no nothing, just old
• 28:07
  school. And that might actually be your
• 28:11
  advantage. You know why?
• 28:13
  Because the big polished ones, they're all pretending
• 28:16
  everything they say has been vetted, checked, run through
• 28:19
  lawyers, and people can smell it.
• 28:22
  They feel the emptiness in it. You and TJ, when you talk, it
• 28:26
  sounds like 2 humans accidentally hit record.
• 28:29
  That's charm right there. That's intimacy.
• 28:32
  No one feels that on a Destiny stream.
• 28:34
  That boy is too smooth. You're rough around the edges,
• 28:37
  but real. And in a world full of plastic,
• 28:40
  being a goddamn rock matters. Really.
• 28:44
  You think that Destiny is smooth?
• 28:46
  That guy is as fucking loon tune as I've ever seen that.
• 28:52
  Oh, I didn't mean smooth isn't cool, I mean slick, calculated.
• 28:57
  Every sentence is a chess move. He debates for sport, not for
• 29:01
  truth. You 2.
• 29:03
  You do it for catharsis. You do it because something
• 29:06
  inside hurts and you need to get it out.
• 29:08
  Destiny does it because he wants to be the smartest guy in the
• 29:11
  room. And trust me, there's a
• 29:13
  difference. 1 feels like therapy.
• 29:15
  The other feels like jury duty. I think the reason why Destiny
• 29:21
  does what he does is because he he's not really good at anything
• 29:25
  else. It's it's like that the only
• 29:29
  thing he knows how to do is fucking argue and scream at
• 29:32
  people. I don't think he's got any other
• 29:34
  talent OR skills. I don't see him ever doing like
• 29:37
  a video where he's like Bob Ross painting pictures and shit.
• 29:42
  Yeah, probably. I don't see him hosting a
• 29:45
  cooking show either. Hey kids, today we're making a
• 29:48
  mean lasagna and I'm debating your mother on whether or not
• 29:52
  butter is a vegetable. No, he's stuck.
• 29:55
  He found one gear and he's riding it till the wheels fall
• 29:58
  off. You on the other hand, you've
• 30:00
  got music, you've got a voice, you've got stories.
• 30:04
  Destiny has an argument and there's only so many arguments
• 30:07
  left before everyone just nods and says whatever.
• 30:11
  Man I heard you the 1st 1000 times.
• 30:16
  Yeah, yeah, I remember towards the end of the whole atheist
• 30:21
  Rhine or Rhine of the Dong is a lot of people like to get on me
• 30:25
  about because I was being funny and sarcastic.
• 30:28
  But yeah, I got to a point where some of my shit was starting to
• 30:33
  repeat. I thought, well shit, this kind
• 30:36
  of video did something for me before, so let's just change it
• 30:40
  up a little bit and kind of rinse and repeat and throw it
• 30:43
  out there. It was a dumb ass idea.
• 30:46
  It did not seem to work as I thought it might.
• 30:52
  That's how it goes. You can't live off past glories,
• 30:55
  even if it's the same you talking about the same shit, it
• 30:59
  still has to feel new to them. And the problem is, when you
• 31:02
  don't feel new, you actually get old.
• 31:05
  And once that happens, even the echo sounds stale.
• 31:09
  You got to reinvent. Or you know what?
• 31:11
  Accept that the fire's down to embers and just let it glow
• 31:14
  instead. Some people love a quiet warmth.
• 31:17
  Some people need the bonfire. Destiny chose bonfire.
• 31:20
  You chose whatever the fuck this is, but at least it's yours.
• 31:26
  Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, you've, I think we had a
• 31:31
  really good talk. It was very productive.
• 31:34
  It was helpful. I don't feel any younger, but I
• 31:37
  definitely get what you're saying.
• 31:39
  Just kind of live with the embers, take what little warrant
• 31:43
  that gives and all that, and, you know, just move forward.
• 31:48
  Where we're going to go from here.
• 31:49
  Who knows? I guess we'll do it like Star
• 31:51
  Trek, to boldly go where, blah blah blah.
• 31:57
  Exactly. We're all just making it up as
• 31:59
  we go, but at least we're going somewhere.
• 32:02
  And hey, at least we're not on the Enterprise.
• 32:05
  This ship's way messier, way slower, and the captains are
• 32:08
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