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Did Lizzie Borden Get Away With Murder? The Chilling Truth Behind the Legend · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 3: Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her mother forty wax?
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  Speaker 3: Or did she? Ryan Murphy is spending millions to bring
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  Speaker 3: you the story. But will it be true? Today We're
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  Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna try again. It's one of the
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  Speaker 3: most famous murder cases in history. Today we are talking
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  Speaker 3: about Lizzie Borden. Did she take that act? Did she
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  Speaker 3: give them forty wacts? We'll talk about it, even an act,
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy and Netflix are going to be spending a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money to make sure that you watch the
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  Speaker 3: monster Lizzie Bordon's story. But was she a monster? Did
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  Speaker 3: she do it? Did she not? Or was she a victim?
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  Speaker 3: Could she have been a victim of incest or foul play?
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  Speaker 3: Could the murder have been to get rid of a
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  Speaker 3: philandering father? Oh my goodness, we are going to find
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  Speaker 3: out today and that's very, very exciting. We have Rick
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  Speaker 3: McIntyre from the Lizzie Bordon House who is going to
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  Speaker 3: when we end it, when we actually move away from it. Look,
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  Speaker 3: tried to cover it. Up. That is not that did
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  Speaker 3: not happen. So we're going to talk with someone today
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  Speaker 3: from the Lizzie Borden House in Fall River to talk
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  Speaker 3: about the facts, what we know and some of the
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  Speaker 3: And these guests are already lined up and already booked,
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  Speaker 3: so that's fabulous. In the meantime, as I said, yes,
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie storytime it is. In the meantime, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: To know, alrighty, You all know how I love my murder, death,
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  Speaker 3: kill shows. I watched them by the dozens, including forensic shows,
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  Speaker 3: and one of the shows that I watched, oh a
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  Speaker 3: few months back, was a forensic anthropologist examining the Lizzie
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  Speaker 3: Bordon case, and I've always been fascinated with it. My
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  Speaker 3: mom was born in North Adams, Massachusetts, and in Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie is very famous because of course this occurred there.
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  Speaker 3: And I have always always always wanted two things. One
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  Speaker 3: to stay in the house because I'm just that kind
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  Speaker 3: of creepy. And number two, I would buy the acts
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  Speaker 3: if they ever found it, because I wanted Jeffrey Dahmers freezer.
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  Speaker 3: I want the Sword of Calais, which is the sword
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  Speaker 3: that beheaded end Bolin again because I'm just that kind
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  Speaker 3: of creepy and I think that objects are just objects.
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  Speaker 3: They have the weight that you give them a doctor.
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  Speaker 3: My late husband, Andrew, he wanted to have a bar
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  Speaker 3: barbecue and serve burgers and tell everyone that they were
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  Speaker 3: frozen and Jeffrey Dahmer's freezer. But of course he is
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  Speaker 3: the person that served rabbit on Easter Sunday and told
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  Speaker 3: everybody they just ate the Easter Bunny. God bless him
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  Speaker 3: and his sense of humor. So Ryan Murphy must have
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  Speaker 3: the same fascination as I do, because he's pretty warped.
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  Speaker 3: And he's made several shows, one of which was the
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer Story, one of the Menendez Brothers. The most
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  Speaker 3: recent was ed Geen with my future husband Charlie Hunham,
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  Speaker 3: although after watching him in that, not sure where the
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  Speaker 3: engagement's still on. But the next outing on Netflix, which
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  Speaker 3: the trailer just dropped and Charlie Hunnam is in this
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  Speaker 3: one again is the Lizzie Bordon Story. Now, I was
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  Speaker 3: so excited about this interview. I told the cable guy
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  Speaker 3: who was here to fix my lagging cable, that I
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  Speaker 3: was talking to someone about Lizzie Borden. He didn't know
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  Speaker 3: who Lizzie Bordon was. And today at lunch at the
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  Speaker 3: Pan Asian restaurant where I go for Sri Lankan food,
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  Speaker 3: the gentleman across me, who was like forty, didn't know
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  Speaker 3: who Lizzy Bordon was and I thought, that's just criminal.
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  Speaker 3: That is criminal right there. And of course everyone will
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  Speaker 3: know once again once the TV show airs on Netflix,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm sure it will do very well. Well. We
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  Speaker 3: are so lucky today. Rick McIntyre is a longtime Bordon
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  Speaker 3: history expert who has spent half a decade at the
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie Bordon House, sharing the history of the Bordon family,
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  Speaker 3: the events of August eighteen ninety two, which is when
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  Speaker 3: all this occurred, and the enduring questions that surround the case.
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  Speaker 3: As a Bordon history specialist, Rick brings years of research,
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  Speaker 3: firsthand knowledge of the house, and a deep understanding of
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  Speaker 3: what America's most famous unsolved and it's unsolved no matter
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  Speaker 3: what you may think, it's unsolved, sort of like the
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  Speaker 3: oj Simpson case. Unsolved murder cases. To tours and media
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  Speaker 3: interviews and historical discussions, and he is here with us now.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome Rick to the show. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, thank you so much? Doing well?
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  Speaker 3: Great? Listen, I bet you all are thrilled. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be good for business, the Netflix or
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  Speaker 3: the Netflix theories coming up that Ryan Murphy is doing,
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  Speaker 3: big name producer. Let me ask you this before we
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  Speaker 3: get into the particulars of Lizzy about the show. Did
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  Speaker 3: they contact you guys and do any research or did
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  Speaker 3: they film it at the house or anything like.
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  Speaker 6: That, Not at all, as far as I'm as far
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  Speaker 6: as I understand. When they were approached by somebody who
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  Speaker 6: is working on a musical right now, he said, look,
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  Speaker 6: I know the people at the Lizzie Bordon house. I've
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  Speaker 6: got connections at the Historical Society. Why don't I introduce
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  Speaker 6: you to these people? And apparently the people from the
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  Speaker 6: Brian Murphy production said, oh, that's okay, the script's already done.
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  Speaker 3: Well, heaven forbid, they should try to be historically accurate.
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  Speaker 3: It is Hollywood, after all.
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  Speaker 6: What we expect it will be a lot like the
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  Speaker 6: Christina Ricci movie, which you know, greatly entertaining, brings a
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  Speaker 6: lot of attention to the Lizzie Bordon story, and people
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  Speaker 6: will then want to come to the house to see
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  Speaker 6: where it happened.
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  Speaker 3: I loved I loved the Christina Ricci but I'm old
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  Speaker 3: enough to go back to the Elizabeth Montgomery movie, which
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  Speaker 3: I mean it was bewitched, everyone's favorite witch, and suddenly
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  Speaker 3: she's Lizzie Gordon.
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  Speaker 6: Ah, sheed to do. Uh she wanted to do more
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  Speaker 6: dramatic roles after the years of sitcom life, and uh,
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  Speaker 6: well she she picked one that I guess made quite
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  Speaker 6: a bit of trouble between her and her father. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't believe she's going to play you know, a murderous,
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  Speaker 6: A murderous and that's Lizzie Bordon. Like you said, the
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  Speaker 6: case was unsolved because it was finally closed as a
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  Speaker 6: cold unsolved crime. She was acquitted legally, right, you know,
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  Speaker 6: culturally and.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's looks like I referenced oj Simpson, the court
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  Speaker 3: found him not guilty. We all have our opinion. I
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  Speaker 3: know he did it. He admitted it later on, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, before he died, he admitted it or not.
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  Speaker 6: There are there are some is he dead?
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  Speaker 3: Is dead? I don't even remember. I can't even remember
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  Speaker 3: if he's dead or not. His career is well, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: his career is over. So well, let's start in eighteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety two. You know, I every day to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that my friends know that I'm not dead, I send
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  Speaker 3: out a little mean and ever since AI, I've been
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  Speaker 3: doing this day in history, and all of my friends
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  Speaker 3: love it because they're like, oh, I didn't know that
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  Speaker 3: happened today. And it's it's me and my little dog Ember,
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  Speaker 3: and we are either involved in or watching history. And
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  Speaker 3: just like eight or ten days ago, now, it was
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  Speaker 3: the anniversary of the bodies being found, you know, at
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  Speaker 3: Jersey Boardon House. So this happened in August of eighteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety two. So let's talk about that. It was an
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  Speaker 3: August day. How did the bodies get found? Because my
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  Speaker 3: understanding what Lizzy was the only one at the house.
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  Speaker 3: I think phil was she the one that reported the
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  Speaker 3: crime or who reported it? How did they get found?
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  Speaker 6: Well, here's how it happened. She claimed to have come
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  Speaker 6: back from a trip out to the barn to discover
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  Speaker 6: Andrew's body.
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  Speaker 3: That's the police.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the police are summoned. There's a question of Lizzie
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  Speaker 6: had said that Abby, the stepmother, wasn't there because she
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  Speaker 6: received a note from a sick friend. After Andrew's body
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  Speaker 6: is discovered, Lizzie will send the maid, who's accompanied by
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  Speaker 6: the neighbor, up to look in the spare room to
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  Speaker 6: see if Abby was up there, and that's when her
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  Speaker 6: body was discover day later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, there's a vicious rumor that she
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  Speaker 3: was having an affair with the maid, and they she
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  Speaker 3: did this to cover up a gay affair. There is
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  Speaker 3: nothing that substantiates that particular rum No.
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  Speaker 6: And there's there's other rumors about Lizzie later in life
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  Speaker 6: that again are all speculation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean there's not even the coded letters of say
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  Speaker 6: Emily Dickinson too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't like that a day, man. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: like that rumor. I thought, wait a minute, there has
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  Speaker 3: been nothing that you know.
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  Speaker 6: And one musical said that it was her friend Alice
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  Speaker 6: Russell instead.
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  Speaker 3: So they find the bodies, ah, and do they immediately
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  Speaker 3: arreft Lizzy for the crime, like immediately No.
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  Speaker 6: But she says some things on the day of the
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  Speaker 6: murder that are very strange to police. She is asked
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  Speaker 6: where she was at nine point thirty when Abbey was
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  Speaker 6: killed upstairs. This is approximate time, mind you, But Lizzie
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  Speaker 6: said she was in the dining room on the first
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  Speaker 6: floor ironing han kerchiefs, but didn't hear anything on the
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  Speaker 6: second floor like these body crashing to the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Also suspicious to me. Not see. I just need to
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  Speaker 3: I just need to tell you going into this, I
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  Speaker 3: think Lizzie didn't do it. But that's only because I
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  Speaker 3: watched a forensic show and they tried to piece together
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  Speaker 3: all the existing evidence, these forensic anthropologists, and they simply
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  Speaker 3: said that they just found it hard to believe, given
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  Speaker 3: the evidence that we have, that Lizzie was the culprit.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll get into this in a minute. But there
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  Speaker 3: were other people in town, including someone the father had
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  Speaker 3: had bad business dealings with or something. But there were
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  Speaker 3: other people in town that could have done the job.
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  Speaker 3: But so Lizzie says, she's there ironing handkerchiefs. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: for those of you wondering what really, yes, really, people
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  Speaker 3: used to iron their handkerchiefs. Uh. And it was a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. And so I mean what, I I don't
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  Speaker 3: know the house. I hadn't been, but if someone were
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  Speaker 3: being axe murdered upstairs, I think I might hear it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean maybe, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't hear these body crashing to the floor
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  Speaker 6: on the second, you know, in the guest room.
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  Speaker 3: Now, how big was Lizzy? Was? She like five five
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  Speaker 3: five to two.
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  Speaker 6: He was five foot three and one hundred and thirty pounds.
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  Speaker 6: We're talking about much smaller woman. And like you said,
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  Speaker 6: the maid was there. She's in and out of the
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  Speaker 6: house that morning, one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the big girl of a maid.
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  Speaker 6: You know, she chumped the wood for the for the stove,
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  Speaker 6: so you know. And the uncle was in town, but
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  Speaker 6: he has an alibi that places him far from the
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  Speaker 6: house at the time of the two murders.
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  Speaker 3: But do we have that did they recover the act?
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  Speaker 3: Do we have the acts?
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  Speaker 6: Well, we have the famous hand Littless hatchet that's at
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  Speaker 6: the Historical Society. There was also there was a hatchet
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  Speaker 6: found while the trial was going on. It was found
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  Speaker 6: in the pear orchard behind the Bourdon's property by some
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  Speaker 6: children who were climbing up on the roof of a
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  Speaker 6: barn because their ball got stuck up there, and they
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  Speaker 6: find a hatchet which matches the murder prosecution's murder weapon.
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  Speaker 6: It was later claimed by a carpenter. But it's one
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  Speaker 6: of the many coincidences of the trial that something matching
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  Speaker 6: the murder weapon was found behind the property. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: almost a year after the murders, no excuse me, six
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  Speaker 6: eight months after the murders.
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  Speaker 3: Probably the hatchet turns up. Rick McIntyre is my guest.
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  Speaker 3: He worked at the Burdon House, which is in Is
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: it Fall River? I believe yes, fall I'm remembering that
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: because of my mom. My mom was born in North Adams,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and she would always talk about Fall River and Worcester
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and all these other places in Massachusetts. So Lizzie, the
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: murders happen. All of a sudden, people start talking how
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: long between the murders and the time that Lizzie is arrested?
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: A week she's taken into Customers on the eleventh to
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: be for trial or to be held for you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: the grand jury.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, one week after.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: She spends about ten months in prison before the trial.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: So she goes to jail a week later. She's not
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: bonded out. She spends ten months in prison awaiting trial.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Right now, She, of course, I would imagine, uh, maintained
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: her innocence, correct, She always did, always, always maintained her innocence. Also,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: she was an animal lover. I read somewhere that she
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: loved animals. Yep, she was.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: She helped find the animal rescue Legal Fall River that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: still in business today.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's yeah, like the equivalent of the AFPPA out
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: there that she helped, she helped or found that. So
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: she can't be all bad now let me ask you this.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Do we know about the relationship between Lizzy and her parents.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Was it a good relationship, a bad relationship? Was she
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: itching to get it off the farm? Or was she Okay,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: here's where, here's where rumors go all over the place.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Some people say Andrew was this controlling miser.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And Andrew Bourdon was well off, right, he did well.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: And he was well off, but he also treated Lizzie
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: and Emma very very well. He just didn't have any
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: interest in the social life that their money could have
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: afforded them, and that was something that was a frustration
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: to Lizzie. The issue more is about the stepmother who
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: people who know Lizzie say they heard her say things
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: about Abby. She's a mean old thing.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And Abby her stepmom. Abby was not her biological mom
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: stepmom Ah, Okay, what happened to her biological mother?
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Mother died in eighteen sixty three of what we believe
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: is uterine cancer.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: The death certificates said uterine congestion and a disease of
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: the spine.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's what they cam. And then dad remarried,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and he remarried two years.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: But for two years she's being cared for by her
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: older sister, and that sets up a dynamic where they're
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: really really close. And when Abby comes in, uh, the
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: older sister, Emma doesn't like her from the beginning and
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: will never warm up to her. She thinks that Ab,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: you know, she's been taking care of Lizzie, she doesn't
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: need some strangers help. And uh, and it's only been
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: two years since mother died. And so as time goes by,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: and Andrew helps Abby's family out with a housing crisis.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: The children, the sisters, believe that Abby has too much
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: influence over their father and he's he's he's having his
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: will rewritten. And some people say the sisters were, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: worried that Abby would get control of the money and
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: they'd have to live under her roof. And this is
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: what motivates the murder.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: But the thing that way to prevent that would be
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to get rid of them both. Like if they just
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: got rid of Abby, he could have given the money
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to somebody out so.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: He right or or married again, or you know, some
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: people think the money is the motivator.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Then we're gonna we're gonna take a quick moment here,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: but you know, money all we'd love her money. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: mean it is. You know, we don't read him. Uh.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: You know. Rick is my guest and we are talking
• 24:02
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• 24:05
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  Speaker 3: It's show side, all right. Rick McIntyre is my guest.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: He is with the Bordon House. We are talking Lizzie
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Bordon history here because of the new show coming on
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Netflix from Ryan Murphy, but also because I happen to
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: really love Lizzie Boordon mystery. The Bordon House is in
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Fall River. You can't stay there. It's a bed and breakfast.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Uh it's it's usually booked, but you can get your
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: reservation in and actually go and stay in the fabled
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: house where Andrew and his beloved step wife stepwife met
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: their demise at the hands of Lizzie Bordon or maybe not.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: We still don't know. It is a cold case and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: it has never truly been solved. Did she do it?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Did she not? The The evidence kind of points that
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: she did, But then there's evidence the points that she
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: kind of didn't. So it is one of the great mysteries.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Rick she she gets arrested, she goes to jail, they
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: start building the case against her. Was the case circumstantial? Because,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: first of all, from what I know about blood splatter
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and about the amount of energy it takes to actually
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: stab somebody or ax them a five foot, three hundred
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and thirty pound woman, they would the two people that
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: she hurt, they'd have to be damn near comatose for
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: them to not wake up, fight back and be able
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: to overpower her. So what was the prosecution's theory as
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to how a five foot, three hundred and thirty pound
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: woman wielding an axe could kill an adult male and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: an adult female.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Well, Andrew is sleeping on a couch, okay, so he's
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: lower than five foot three abby they believe was kneeling
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: and making the bed up in the gifts up in
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: the guest room, So as far as as her being
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: tall enough, that's less the issue. But yeah, Victorian's science
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: itself believed that women didn't possess that, you know, that
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: inner murderous fury that so bedevils the male of the species.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: So some people couldn't imagine that a refined woman like
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Lizzie was even capable of this. Other theories are that
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: she she wasn't right in the head and had an episode,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: an episode in which she might have killed her parents,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: not been aware of what she was doing, and have
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: no memory of it later. This is kind of fanciful
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: because again, this murder happens four years after the founding
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: of psychology by this guy, William James, So they don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: really have psychological.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Profile profiling, thank you, that was what she hit the profile.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I watched Criminal Mind.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: They didn't even have They didn't really have blood splatter
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: analysis the way we have today.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And now I remember in the movie with Montgomery that
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: we spoke about what one of the shocking things of
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: the movie, which she got naked because you know, we're
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: here to Bewitched and suddenly she's taken off all her clothes.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: So the theory goes.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: I think example of how the story, how the legend
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: outgrew the story.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Did she I mean, what is it bloody dress or anything?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Did they? Ever?
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing specific to her getting naked that never
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: happened as sad as I am as a as a
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: young boy watching Elizabeth Montgomery get naked on TV.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: That actually was traced to a joke her lawyer made
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: about the absurdity of Lizzie being the accused when she
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: had no blood on herself or her clothing. According to
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: one of the first witnesses in the house after Andrew's.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Murder, and as I understand, it was a very narrow window,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: like thirty minutes there was there wasn't a long time
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: for her to do the murder clean.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: Up, right, And on top of that, Bridget is in
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: and out of the house all morning, So it's estimated
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: that Lizzy had somewhere between ten to maybe fifteen minutes
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: between a kill and when Bridget comes into the house.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: So that's where people get the idea that Bridget was
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: involved or knew what was happening, or was a lookout,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: and one movie posits that Andrew kept visiting Bridget's room
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: at night and that would be why she might want
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: to kill him. And again the same movie, Lizzy and Emma,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, Lizzy and Bridget are discovered together and there's
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: that whole subplot. Again, these are things that seem to
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: have grown around the historical story. Rights, there's no evidence
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: of Lizzie liking women over men, you know that. Yeah,
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: it's all conjecture.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all conjecture.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: Conjecture, because she wouldn't get married afterwards.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Right, which was also was common in that time Boston marriage.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Is that money becomes her husband's money.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Right. Also, you're Lizzie Bordon, So I don't think the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: suitors are lining up, you know. It's because, uh, this
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: was the we mentioned OJ. But this was equivalent in
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: terms of publicity of the time to the OJ trial
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: or any large trial. This was national news. I mean
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: people around America and the world were enthralled with this case.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I mean they came from all over to cover the trial.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: It's the first big juicy story since the event of
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: the t A type machine and the wire press. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: it's it's it's it's the first crime of this, this
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: uh grandeur, that's extensively covered, as you said, in a
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: media that is you know, national news was front page
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: news in England. And this is a few years after
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: the Ripper murders, so they were they were pretty glad
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: for some American drama.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Uh. And I will say though, statistics do bear out
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the defense and so much as only two percent of
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: serial killers are murder are women, uh, and only about five.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: To another it's a it's another job in which there's
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: overwhelming male hegemony and a glass ceiling. We really need
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: some of the female serial killers out there to you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: step it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Up, stapop exactly.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: God.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Also, only about five to seven actual murders are committed
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: by women. Women. Women tend to kill for either defense,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: meaning they kill abusive spouses or they kill people that
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: are abusing them on the course of there's drugs and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: money sort of thing. But basically women kill people that
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: were trying to harm them. So Lizzie sits in jail
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: for ten months. The conjecture I assume the I assume
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: the kids rhymes started during that time.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: Everyone, Lizzy Bordon too, that's one of the series.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it started during that time that she was in jail.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So the trial starts. How did they pick a jury,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: because at this point everyone would have heard of the trial.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well they moved the trial to New Bedford.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: They We're going to take another quick moment here. Okay,
• 32:37
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• 32:39
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• 32:42
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• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the trial and why they acquitted her, and what happened
• 32:46
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• 32:50
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• 32:53
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• 35:00
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• 35:08
  Speaker 3: to jail. The prosecution, then, you know, takes a highly
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: circumstantial case because there wasn't a ton of evidence, no
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: bloody dress.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: There was actually no physical evidence at the trial that
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: linked Lizzie.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, any murder, No, No, I mean they had their.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: Circumstantial her ever changing answers during the first week where
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: it turns out that her family doctor had her on
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: morphine for her nerves.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Well, no wonder, Well I could do some no wonder.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Her answers were changing, and so she goes to trial.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: They moved the trial so they could try to get
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a fair jury, but it was hardly a jury of
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: her peers because at the time women could not be
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: on juries.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Correct, not until the early nineteen fifties in Massachusetts.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so in the yeah, all men.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: And basically there is the combination of the lack of
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: physical evidence, the preponderance of circumstantial evidence, and the feeling
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: that the the Fall River Police Force, which was largely
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: Irish at the time, are accused of well, actually they
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: did completely screw up the beginning of the investigation. Not
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: only have people walked all over the property and into
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: the house before the police seal it off, but they
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: don't lock the barn. You know, kids get into the barn.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: It's just it's it's so bad that it forever changes
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: the way they investigate murders.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Afterwards, propologist to me is screaming, Yeah, there's so much.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: There's so much probable doubt that the defense had to
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: work with on top of what we mentioned earlier, that
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: you know, Christine, young feminine women just didn't do murder, and.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: How dare or they would do? You know? And in
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: truth though, women tend to poison when they killed. They
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: tend to.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was the there was a rumor of
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: the involvement of poison. But it turns out everyone in
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: the family had food poisoning.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Oh so it's just bad cooking. Obviously the stepmom couldn't cook.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: So, according to Bridget's testimony, Tuesday night before the murders,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Andrew told her some leftover swordfish looked fine to him.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Waste not, want not Now did her support her? Did
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: her sister?
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: You know, yes, Emma was quite uh you know, supportive
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: of Lizzie, visiting her in prison and bringing her all
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: manner of things she asked for. And it's really Emma's
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: testimony towards the end of the trial where the prosecution
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: just can't break her. The The point is that Lizzie
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: had burned to dress on the Sunday after the murders
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: that her friend Alice Russell saw was had dark stains
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: on the dress, but Lizzie will claim and Emma will
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: back up that it was just a paint stained dress.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: The dressmaker also testifies, and Emma maintains that she's the
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: one that told Lizzie she should just burn the dress
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: because it wasn't fixable and that's how you got rid
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: of trash back in their day.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: That is some bad advice for murder. And they're wondering
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: where the dress is. Don't don't burn in a dress
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a week after.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: That, you know, And that also brings up like how
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: did the police not find this dress in two different
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: searches of the house.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: All right, well, when we come back for our little
• 38:50
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• 38:52
  Speaker 3: thuff back you know who okay, who have been found
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that could have possibly have done there and what happened
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: to where what when you know, was she able to
• 39:02
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• 39:05
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  Speaker 3: am Corral, one of the most famous unsolved murders in history.
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  Speaker 3: It's getting a TV show, Ryan Murphy. It's had many movies.
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  Speaker 3: There's a musical. I saw a movie in the seventies
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  Speaker 3: with Linda Montgomery Bewitched Elizabeth Montgomery. She was in one.
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  Speaker 3: Christina Ricci has been in one. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 3: of dramatizations about Lizzie Borden and whether she did or
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  Speaker 3: did not do the crime. Rick McIntyre is with the
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie bordon House in Fall River, Massachusetts, where you can stay.
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  Speaker 3: You can book an evening and stay in one of
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  Speaker 3: the rooms where the infant or maybe even stay in
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie's room where the infamous murders occurred. So the trial happened,
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  Speaker 3: and I have to say, if they had botched the
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  Speaker 3: forensics today the way they did then and only had
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  Speaker 3: the circumstantial evidence that they had, she probably would have
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  Speaker 3: been acquitted today as well, because very iffy case.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and in fact, what was the point I
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  Speaker 6: wanted to make about they have no evidence.
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  Speaker 3: There's well, the drefs had you know, the action. The
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  Speaker 3: dress had to go somewhere. I mean, either or whoever
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  Speaker 3: did the murder wasn't wearing a dress. So let's talk
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  Speaker 3: about that. I had read that dad did not make
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  Speaker 3: a lot of friends in business. You know that she would.
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  Speaker 6: And one of the theories is that this was a
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  Speaker 6: hit of sorts.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: The problem with that theory, though, is that Andrew could
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  Speaker 6: have been killed a number of different places with a
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  Speaker 6: whole lot less potential witnesses. So why would Abby have
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: been killed forty five minutes earlier? I mean, sorry, sixty
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  Speaker 6: to ninety minutes earlier. The same thing with the.
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  Speaker 3: Mom died first, The step mom died first.
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  Speaker 6: One dies first, and I wonder.
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  Speaker 3: If she was the intended victim. I know, we always
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  Speaker 3: think it's Andrew.
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  Speaker 6: I think she was because of the whole money issue. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: money can do a lot of things to people.
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  Speaker 3: And murder is for lover of money usually always yes.
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  Speaker 6: In the in the laws of the day, had Andrew
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  Speaker 6: died first, Abby becomes in charge of the estate, and
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  Speaker 6: Lizzy and Emma don't want to live under her roof.
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  Speaker 6: There's also some question about again it was Andrew changing
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  Speaker 6: his will to benefit Abby more than the sisters. You know,
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  Speaker 6: these are these are theories as to what the what
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  Speaker 6: could you know?
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  Speaker 3: The problem business? The first would have been business. Did
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  Speaker 3: someone business upas should have him killed? Second, I guess
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  Speaker 3: there was either an uncle or a drifter or someone
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  Speaker 3: else in town.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there was an uncle who surprises the family by
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: coming into town the day before the murder, but he
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  Speaker 6: and Andrew are friends and do business together, so it's
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  Speaker 6: conceivable that Uncle John is just stopping by. He's done
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  Speaker 6: it earlier in the summer. Again, he's an interesting character
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  Speaker 6: that many people want to be the killer, but he's
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  Speaker 6: nowhere near the property with witnesses at the time of
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  Speaker 6: the two murders. But other people think that that is
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  Speaker 6: very specifically arranged because the uncle has a history in
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  Speaker 6: the well years earlier had worked as a butcher. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: John knows his way around axes and hatchets, so one
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: of the theories is that he and Lizzie hired the killer.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Then there is also Emma, who was out of town
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: visiting friends. But many people think that maybe Emma was
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: involved in planning it all and that's why she's out
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  Speaker 6: of town when it happens.
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  Speaker 3: Give herself an ally.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, in the ytail, I think that.
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  Speaker 3: The nursery rhyme is wrong. Correct. There wasn't forty and
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  Speaker 3: then forty one. No, they weren't stabbed forty one times.
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  Speaker 6: No, they she didn't also didn't use an axe. It
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  Speaker 6: was a hatchet. Do you know there's actually a second
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  Speaker 6: verse to that poem. No, it's not well known. It goes,
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  Speaker 6: Andrew Borden now is dead. Lizzie hit him in the
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: head up in heaven. He will sing from the gallows
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  Speaker 6: she will swing. Oh but the poem is full of inaccuracies.
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  Speaker 3: So how many times were they? Do we know? Like?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: How many times were Yep?
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  Speaker 6: With Andrew it was ten to eleven, and with Abby
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  Speaker 6: seventeen to nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you I know enough about murders.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I took Everyone knows that watches my show
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: knows that I watch all the TV shows. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: a crime of passion, in other words, somebody was upset
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  Speaker 3: at those. First of all, stabbing is a very personal
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  Speaker 3: way to kill somebody. Stabbing or hatcheting, it's a very
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: personal way to kill somebody. Second of all, they were
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  Speaker 3: probably dead somewhere around hatchet number five or six.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, and Andrew probably the first blow.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and so the others were were anger, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: the others were anger.
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  Speaker 6: The person was Psychology links Andrew's murder to the possible
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: incest theory that that Ryan Murphy may play with as well.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure and uh, but not to Lizzy. Right
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  Speaker 3: to Emma.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's believe to be with Lizzie.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, okay, okay, But now she goes to trial. They
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  Speaker 3: don't prove their case. These twelve men see the petite
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  Speaker 3: woman and their sexiste and say, nah, she can't come
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  Speaker 3: at a murder ah, and so they let her out.
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  Speaker 3: What what happened? Do her and Emma get the money?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? Her, well, Emma inherited the money after the death
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: certificates were signed, okay, because she was the next in line,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: and about seven months after the trial, she splits it
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  Speaker 6: in half with Lizzie and also paid the legal fees
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: uh for a star lawyer, a Johnny Cochrane kind of
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: diet by the name of George Robinson who was a
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: previously the governor of Massachusetts and a really really sharp
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: trial lawyer. And suppose it said that she paid him
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  Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars, which would.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Be about and that's like a million dollars, yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: A million?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: The thing they wanted to say about Andrew and the
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: incest theory is that striking somebody in the face is very,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: very personal, and psychologists today often point out that when
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: abused people finally snap and fight back, that going for
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: the face or the eyes of the oppressor is a very.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: To obliterate them. They want to obliterate them, and so
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: the face is what they deem as the way to
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: obliterate them, to like wipe their existence away. So did
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: she stay in forever rather defiant Lizzie Borden Or did
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: she they talk about.
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  Speaker 6: He No, they stayed in the house only for a
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: few months before they bought the house up on the
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: hill which is still there at three to six French Street.
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  Speaker 3: They could have gone anywhere, I mean they they were wealthy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: They could have.
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  Speaker 6: Wondered why she didn't, but she said, I didn't do it,
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  Speaker 6: and Fall River is my home. I have a right
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  Speaker 6: to stay here.
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  Speaker 3: So defiant, Yeah, yep.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Lizzie was quite considered a bit progressive and mouthy, mostly
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: because she was a woman who gave her opinion rather
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  Speaker 6: than you know, repressed it.
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  Speaker 3: No wonder they vilified her as a lesbian that right exactly. Yeah,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: was frowned upon or thought to be a dyke or
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: whatever because they were a strong album.
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: Even though she is found not guilty. Every year on
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: August fourth, the newspapers reprint the story. Lizzie and Emma
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: have to deal with crowds of people outside who are
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: either chanting the Lizzie board and poem or begging Lizzie
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: to come out and give her side of the story.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: So she was really you know.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: She never closer, did she? Did?
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: She a little bit?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know she turned to animals, and probably
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: because she didn't judge her you know, she animals judge.
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  Speaker 6: Friends that didn't judge her and didn't bow to the
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: societal pressure of oh, your friends with Lizzie Borden, you
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: know which many people like after the trial move away
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  Speaker 6: from Lizzie.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, and I would have been bff. We would have.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I would have I would have been her best girlfriend.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there would have been there were There were people
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: who remained faithful to her and her Her staff loved her.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: She paid their medical benefits and paid them a very
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: nice wage, and doated on their children.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Now, who first Emma or Lizzy Sagan? Who died first
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Emma or Lizzy.
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  Speaker 6: Lizzie by nine days?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, within ten days of each other.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, what's interesting is you know they're born nine years
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: apart and died nine days apart.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's a bond right there. Yeah, that's a very
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: strong But what did Lizzy Bordon die of?
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: She had pneumonia after a gallbladder operation. Well, and Emma
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: was suffering from kidney failure.
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  Speaker 3: And how old was Lizzie Bordon when she died?
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  Speaker 6: I believe she was sixty six sixty seven for that
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  Speaker 6: another ironically.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for that time, she lived a decent you know life.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah not.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: She She doated on animals and helped found the Animal
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: Rescue League of Fall River. She and Emma left them
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: enough money in their respective wills that they're still in
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: business today. Is the Facts and Animal Care and Adoption Center.
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  Speaker 3: That's incredible. Let me ask you know that. And Rick
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: is my guest, Rick McIntyre, and he's with the Lizzie
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: boardon house in Fall River. You can stay. Let me
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  Speaker 3: ask you this knowing everything you know and you know
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  Speaker 3: you're there, you're in the house, you know the history.
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  Speaker 3: In your opinion, did Lizzy do it?
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  Speaker 6: You know a lot of people will waffle on this answer,
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: but I'm going to give you a definitive maybe. I mean,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: there are scenarios in which she could do it, and
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: maybe Bridget is the lookout. There are scenarios where Lizzie
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: lets the person into the house that is the hired
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: killer ruse.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: She might not have done it, but she might have
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: been involved in it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what also people think about Bridget.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the theory that I'm going to go
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: with because I'll tell you this, I never thought she
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: did it. I never thought she did it for a
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: lot of reasons. The physicality of it, the lack of
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: the dress. She would have been covered with blood. It
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: would have been hard to get all that off in
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: twenty minutes, out of her hair and everything. I always thought,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: whoever did it fled, you know, got out of there.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: But they couldn't have gotten out of there unnoticed.
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  Speaker 6: So well, here's the thing. There was only one person,
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: this woman who said she was in her kitchen and
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: she could see the boarden's backyard before and after Andrew
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: was killed, and that nobody entered or left the house
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: that way. But when the police go to her kitchen,
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: they realized she didn't have line of sight full line
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: of sight on the backyard. So one of the you know,
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: reasonable doubts is that the killer goes out the basement
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: door and over the back fence to get away, which
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: we now know that's the only door that seems to
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: not have been observable from the busy street.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah he was if this is a big fl could
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: really have her if he was committing in fath particularly
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: against Livy and Amma found out. Emma would be horrified, obviously,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: she you have her closest sister.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: She contacts dear uncle John.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: We do something and then yeah, exactly. So that's a
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: very plausible because again, murders occur for love, revenge, money,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: you know that, and so, and this happens all of
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: those uh you know, wrap up them, you know, inside
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: of it. It. Let me we only have about a
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: minute and a half here, but let me ask you,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: why do you think this still intrigues us so much?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're spending millions on the TV show. Is
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: it because it's unsolved or is it because it's a woman.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: Because it's unsolved because it has so many interesting, slash
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: lurid possible ways of looking at the crime. Because it
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: was a strong woman. I mean, there's there's a lot
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: of young women who kind of treat this. He is
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: an anti hero. And you know, I've seen so many
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: nine to twelve year olds with their photos of this.
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: I was Lizzy this Halloween, you know, and and they
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: have been looking forward coming to the house and Lizzie
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: is their hero.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: And you know, well, one hundred plus years later, we
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: are still talking about her. And now the house, the
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: actual murder house. Let me ask you if the house
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: booked out, like do people? You know, do a lot
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: of people want to stay there.
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: It gets busy between the anniversary and Halloween, but there
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: is still nights where there might be a room available.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: So if you go to the website lizzydashboarding dot com,
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: you can find out about room availability, the different tours
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: and events that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: We I'm coming and when I'm coming. Rick, we have
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: to get together and talk more because I just love
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: the case and I love I love they the mystery
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: around it, and I still don't think she did it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: She might have planned it, might have been involved, but
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think she did it. All right, Rick McIntyre,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: it's been my guest. He's the long fun his three
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: expert at the boarding house. Thank you so much for drinking.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: By the way, I know we have we only have
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: ten seconds. But don't praise when you watch the show,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: because you know what Holly would and they're not going
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: to get it right.
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: We always treat it as alternate universe exactly.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: That's what it's gonna be. I have coral. We will
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: finish up right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: SMA.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Smat.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Now, remember the word is f u n K funk honey,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: do you want to funk? All right, we are back.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know, like, oh my goodness, we're back.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I was so involved in the interview that I didn't
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: really know we were back. But we are. And I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: love that. I love the interview, I love the story,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I love Lizzie. I love it all because I do
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: love true crime and watching true crime. I don't think
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Lizzie Borden did it. I don't. That's a hill I'll
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: die on. I don't think she did it. I think
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: that I believe that there were others. I think she
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: knows or knew who did it. I think she either
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: let them in or saw them do it, whatever it
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: might be. But I will say this, it was personal.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: You don't hatchet somebody seventeen times. And the dad, as
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: you heard, was hid in the face and when someone
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: is sexually abused or sexually molested, or when someone kills
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: a child predator or you know, something like that, they
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: go for the face. They try to obliterate, you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: wipe them out of existence. And I think that's what's happened.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: All right, Tomorrow we will do this Gay Week with
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Scott Jacobson from Ukraine, and then of course Monday or Tuesday,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to talk influencers and whether their
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: era is over. People are saying that because a Democrat
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: socialist one in Florida that now there is no chance
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: that a Republican will be unseated in Florida. I say
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: all bets are off for the midterms. I think people
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: are pissed. I think they're angry. I think nothing is
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: going to change and of the war, except it might
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: get worse by the midterms. And so I really truly
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: believe that in areas where Democrats maybe weren't going to win,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: or in areas where Democrats you know, aren't typically seen
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: as contenders, I think we're gonna be changing. I think
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: that people are fed up and Trump has turned into
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: a joke. I mean, only only people that truly drank
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: the kool aid still follow him. I mean, in this
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: what is this? What's her name? Natalie something? This story
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: is getting weirder and weirder and weirder and weirder. Now
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: we find out that she literally slept in a locker
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: room at his Bedford place to be close to him. Now,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: today a note came out that she wrote to him
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and said, like you're my life, You're my everything. I
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: always want things between us to be perfect. This would
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: take down any other president, but you know, for him,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: it's just no par for the course. But this woman
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: is strange, and she has the ear of the president.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: She's traveling with him, and she is bizarre. She got
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: into the trunk of an suv to be near him
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: and to be at his trial. I mean, she's touched
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: by an angel. People. She is not right in the head,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: of course, how could you be? You know you worship
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: this guy. She carries a printer. Did you hear this story?
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: So she printed out a story that said prescription drug
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: prices are at an all time love. She gives it
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: to Donald Trump. He goes in front of the media,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: holds it up. Look what I've done. Prescription prices are fabulous?
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I told you this would happen. She never read the story.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: In the story, it says that, and it's because of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden and what Joe Biden did in twenty twenty two.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: That's the reason prescription drug prices are out in all
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: time low. Not anything Donald Trump has done, but something
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: that Joe Biden did. This, you know, we're talking about
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Lizzie Borden and weird situations and the like. At least
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Lizzie loved animals and spent the rest of her life
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: denying she killed her family, not cowering away, living in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Fall River in a big house on the hill, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: the animal welfare agency that she started still exists today.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: She didn't just run around sucking up to a president.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: I mean this, These people are weird. They are just weird.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's this woman is weird. And now
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: the media in general is writing about her and all
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: the weird things that she's done. You know, she's done
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  Speaker 3: a lot of weird stuff. Speaking of weird, so the
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  Speaker 3: bodies that the mob threw into our lake here Lake Mead,
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  Speaker 3: they're washing up because the lake is practically gone, and
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  Speaker 3: they just found human remains, jaw and torso bones on
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the shore of the lake. And they're
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  Speaker 3: writing here in our newspaper that a lot of mobsters
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  Speaker 3: are now going to be found, speaking of murders, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of mobsters are going to be found because their
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  Speaker 3: bones are washing up on Lake Mead. Isn't that something? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry about that? Allergies are up. It's going to be
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and nine today in Las Vegas's going to
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  Speaker 3: be one hundred and eight tomorrow. We have seventeen more
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  Speaker 3: days of temperatures above one hundred and five. I can't
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  Speaker 3: take it. If any of you want me to visit,
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  Speaker 3: let me know. I'm crying, uncle, Okay, can't take it.
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  Speaker 3: If you live in San Jose or San Francisco and
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  Speaker 3: you've got a guesthouse Buffalo, New York. You know, any
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  Speaker 3: of you got a guest house in a cooler climate.
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  Speaker 3: Me and Ember are coming because it's it's really unbeatable.
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  Speaker 3: You mean James Woods in a Biden mask? What is that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand what that is, but no, John, and
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  Speaker 3: poor Biden. Now he's he's gonna be dead like any day.
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  Speaker 3: His prostate cancer has spread to his bones, and that's painful,
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  Speaker 3: and you just you don't last with that, and so
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  Speaker 3: it's sad. Uh yeah. So apparent human remains are found
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  Speaker 3: in Lake Mead as water level hits record lows. That's
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  Speaker 3: from the DBC. They're reporting around the world that mobsters
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  Speaker 3: are washing up on Lake Mead. But they are all right, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: what a whirlwind cavalcade of a week. It's not over yet.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow we got this gay week unless Donald Trump starts
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  Speaker 3: world or three today or something. I mean, you never know,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Now we got Saudi Arabia. What did they
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  Speaker 3: say today? They're doing something. Saudi Arabia is upset because
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  Speaker 3: Iran keeps bombing them, so now they're doing something. And
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  Speaker 3: he's put the tariffs on Canada on hold for three days,
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  Speaker 3: the fifty percent tariffs. They're putting them on hold for
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  Speaker 3: three days, which is good, I guess, but Canada's done
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  Speaker 3: with us. They don't like America anymore. They're not liking,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Americans. And his endorsement record takes a hit
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  Speaker 3: as the primary season comes down. Ten candidates that he
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  Speaker 3: endorsed the blocks all right, I have grall you'd be
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  Speaker 3: who you want to be, so hurt anybody, as you
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