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90 | He’ll Carry Us If We Ask Him To · Sermons on the Side

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sermons on the Side.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Brad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Richard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And life can move pretty fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're here to slow down, dig deep, and find the story hidden in everyday moments.
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  SPEAKER_01: With years spent in ministry, friendship, and navigating real life together, we're all about blending humor, honesty, and faith into conversations that meet you right where you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: So whether you're brand new or you're back for more, we are so glad you are here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So relax, listen in, and let's discover meaning together.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the ordinary, the messy, and everything in between.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sermons on the side, finding meaning in the everyday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dog math is.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I have five chew toys on the living room floor, and one chew toy rolls under the couch, I now have no chew toys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the other one.
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  SPEAKER_01: If my human is petting me with two hands, and for any reason chooses to stop and only pet me with one hand, they are now petting me with no hands, and they practically hate me.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is dog man, and this is how Bella operates.
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  SPEAKER_00: Richard, how are you, man?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I am here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you what, it's so good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have had about a 10-day stretch that no other people could possibly survive from in other parts of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that in a second, y'all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to episode 90, which, oh my goodness.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: What?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to episode 90 of Sermons on the Side.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a very special, but a very different type of episode than I think either one of us were ever envisioning, even up to about four hours ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's well said.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here we are, and here you are, sir.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Good to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, it has been it's been quite a journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: My family is dealing with something that that many of our listeners will be able to relate to, and that is uh my my my lone uh surviving parent, my dad, uh turned 88 years old just a month ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but he's in declining health.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so myself and uh my sister Laura, who lives in Birmingham with my dad, uh we've just been navigating that for a little while.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's basically translated into multiple trips in the last week for for me, just to and from Birmingham.
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  SPEAKER_01: And more to come, you know, as as we just see how the next few days are going.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't we we don't know what the timeline is going to look like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're it all of that is uncertain, but it has just led to so many uh just a lot of nights staying in the hospital with pop just recently.
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  SPEAKER_01: Got back into town yesterday, and not sure when I'll be heading back uh to be with him and Laura.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's just been, you know, lot logging miles, yeah, not much sleep, and but some really sweet time with my dad.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh it was really something because you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I just thought of an interesting story that happened yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh my dad was kind of dozing as he has been doing, as he's lost his appetite and his energy and lost a lot of weight, you know, just the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's in the hospital bed.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting next to him and I'm doing like you do, I'm just kind of scrolling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Insta, I think, through Instagram.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come across this reel for the band U2, right?
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: The legendary band U2, and they're actually celebrating their 50th anniversary as a band this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, seriously, but uh, and and this is a rock and roll band from Ireland, but they have you know some members of the band, including the lead singer Bono, strong faith in Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I come across it and it starts playing Bono singing Amazing Grace as the lead into one of their classic songs where the streets have no name, uh.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm listening to that and I'm like, okay, I just want to hear what it sounds like to have Bono and you too just belting out Amazing Grace.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well then I, you know, it I just sort of shut down the reel, and and then I go over to Pop and he's crying.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Papa, you okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know if he was hurting or something new had had caused him to cry.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, I heard somebody singing Amazing Grace, and it just makes me uh thankful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's just crying.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what how does that even happen?
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that sweet?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's so sweet, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and just all those little moments of of beauty and of grace, but I know that have been mixed into sleepless nights and long miles.
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  SPEAKER_00: And right, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, we were going into tonight, um, and we are going to be bringing an incredible interview, a couple of interviews.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're over two on our last uh attempts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Getting the scheduling and and between that and and everything going on with you, you know, we were talking about this right before we hit record.
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  SPEAKER_00: We said 99% of other podcasts would probably pull the plug on this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey man, let's just kick the can down the road.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's get one more take a week off, take a week off.
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  SPEAKER_00: And listen, we're not, you know, forcing a round peg into a square hole, but I think even in the discipline and in the obedience of showing up tonight, which I know I know you don't want to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm awesome, but I'm not that awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are indeed awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even in that discipline and that obedience, I feel like the Lord has brought a kind of a unique and different idea to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even in the preparation of it for it tonight or for this episode, yeah, there was even a little nugget from the Lord in it for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it totally was.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: It totally was.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I got to thinking about how we could do something a little different for the 90th episode if we were even able to pull it off.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought, well, maybe we could take I I I think this is how the process went in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought, maybe I could go back and find maybe a sermon that I preached on a Sunday morning somewhere in a church and that we could use that as our our our conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was I started thinking about it, and then it just occurred to me, it was a God thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was reminded of this uh Sunday much earlier this this year in 2026, earlier in the year, where I had the privilege of speaking on a Sunday morning at Church on the Trail here in Columbus, our great friend Ed Griffinhagen and his church, and so I I gave the sermon, and then I thought, you know what?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: We could maybe we could go back and find that the audio of that sermon and play some of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's basically what we decided to do, and I think it's gonna be cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of funny because we do sermons on the side, but this is kind of a main course.
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  SPEAKER_01: So should we name it differently for this episode?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a meat and potatoes uh episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even in preparation for this, I think you were going back and listening to some of you know, where can we make this the edits work and you had totally forgotten that you actually have a quick little story about pop exactly in your sermon.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, I did not remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remembered the sermon, sure, and I thought, oh, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a that's that's a pretty good scripture verse, Matthew 6.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys are gonna hear it here in just a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I had totally forgotten that in the middle of that, I just toss in a quick story about Pop.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so meaningful as I was listening to that today.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a gift! It was a that gift moment for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, he is as awesome as I think he is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's this is proof, but uh anyway, yeah, what a what a cool God moment, and it was a confirmation for us to know you know what, this is what we should do for our episodes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and if it for nobody else, then for us, this was definitely a God wink.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: This was one of those little moments that we see that happen all throughout Sermon on the Side is when we find those hidden meanings that happen in everyday life, is God will often reward that with just a little nod, a little wink, a little moment that we got.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody else but the Lord could have orchestrated that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we know that that's here for Richard.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that I'm getting some remnants of that blessing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have no doubt that this is gonna bless you as well.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great, great way of putting it there, brother.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so let me set this up.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a message that I was privileged to preach at, as I said, church on the trail.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it comes from the portion of scripture where Jesus is doing the Sermon on the Mount, his most famous sermon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in Matthew chapter six, the last half, the last chunk of that chapter, he talks about uh not worrying about certain things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you'll hear all about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's that part where he says, consider the lilies of the field, consider the sparrows that fly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh you'll you'll hear all of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as I was setting it up, I was I get a big grin on my face because I think about your lily.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that's a meaningful and important passage in your face.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, a huge, important passage in our life, and uh, and a a huge reason, maybe the reason that our third daughter is named Lily Grace, because the same weekend that we found out that we were pregnant with baby three, we found out about a cancer diagnosis for myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we were holding two things at once.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what better scripture to turn to than a scripture of encouragement from the mouth of Jesus that says, Hey, don't be anxious for tomorrow, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't be anxious, don't worry about life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've got you all taken care of.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody can snatch you out of my father's hand.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, just and so I cannot wait to listen to this sermon on the side.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, indeed, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we hope everybody enjoys this.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our anxiety wants to tell us what our needs are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our anxiety wants to define our needs.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, so the anxiety is the feeling, and if we just dive in and just continue and stay right there rather than following some of those instructions that the Lord offers us for anxious moments, if if we let it go, anxiety is gonna tell us what we need.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is where I would like to introduce you to the concept of dog math.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anybody familiar?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not talking about one year for a dog of seven human years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about life, the life of a dog.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their minds operate on a certain mathematics scale, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I see this play out every day with our lap dog, Bella.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Bella, great dog.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should meet her sometime.
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  SPEAKER_01: My uh mother-in-law lives with us, and so Bella also lives with us because it's my mother-in-law's dog.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a she's an awesome dog.
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  SPEAKER_01: Spoiled, rotten.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of, she's got a lot of issues that affect me, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That bother, that, that, that make my life more drama than I need.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but here's here's one of the things that Bella brings to the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: She has no ability to read the room, it's always about her, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: She is not happy unless she's in somebody's lap and someone is giving their undivided attention to her.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let me explain what dog math is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I saw this on a reel, so it must be true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dog math, this reel I saw, there's a dog, uh, a person, the narrator speaking as the dog.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here's the two examples it gave.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dog math is.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I have five chew toys on the living room floor, and one chew toy rolls under the couch, I now have no chew toys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the other one.
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  SPEAKER_01: If my human is petting me with two hands, and for any reason chooses to stop and only pet me with one hand, they are now petting me with no hands, and they practically hate me.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is dog math, and this is how Bella operates.
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  SPEAKER_01: So two Saturdays ago, I'm sitting on the couch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Saturday morning, sitting on the couch, doing a little bit of work on this message right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I got a little spiral notebook, I got my Bible over here and pen and hand, and I'm just kind of jotting down some notes.
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  SPEAKER_01: My granddaughter is right here at my side, my eight-year-old granddaughter who is uh using my phone to watch Barbie dollhouse videos on YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that's not really good, grandparenting, but don't judge me because you don't know my struggle.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, she's there, I'm here doing my thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bella jumps into my lap.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not a problem, happens all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sit there, dog, it's all good.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love you, you love me, it's a good relationship.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I just kind of continue, making some notes, reading verses, getting ready, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then you haven't had that moment where you're you're somewhere and you got a creepy feeling that somebody's staring at you.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm look I'm over here writing things down, reading the Bible, and I just sense Bella's snout right in my face.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I glance, and she's just staring at me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just boring a hole with her eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's just like, and I'm like, what is it, child?
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  SPEAKER_01: Look, I'm over here trying to I'm trying to rightly divide the word of truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you give me a minute?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Can you give me me and the Lord a minute?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently she can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's just staring at me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, fine, put that.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I start petting her with one hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: Still not enough.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Not enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if I'm not petting her with both hands, the dog math kicks in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I believe that when anxiety is the force or that that defines our needs, we devolve into dog math.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna get in a head space and a spirit space where our needs are just totally blown out of any reasonable proportion.
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  SPEAKER_01: You feel me on that?
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is what's at stake here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because life lived day in, day out, like that, where everything is like catastrophic, if something doesn't change immediately, bro, that is a bad path to be on.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: So the question, instead of letting anxiety tell me what my needs are, the question is: do I trust God to assess my needs?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do I trust God to assess my needs?
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  SPEAKER_01: To assess what they are and how they're gonna get met.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we'll get to the meeting of those needs as we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's a critical question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do I trust God to assess my needs?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if He if I do, then I'm gonna hear things like, you know, Richard, life is more than what you eat or drink, and and your body is more than the clothes that you wear.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And there's gonna be something inside of me that's gonna push back on that, and I'm gonna be like, Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like the kind of things that people who don't have to worry about food and clothing say.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's God assessing my needs as opposed to me devolving into anxiety-driven dog math.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is the initial moment where Jesus is showing us the contrast, and he's saying, There's an option here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Will you take it?
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's read.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now we're gonna move on to what we call birds and flowers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it took just hours to come up with that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what we're gonna do is we're gonna read a real uh block of several verses, really the meat of what Jesus says on this subject.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll read through this and then we'll double-click on it and see what God might want to say.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can follow along on the screen or in with your Bible or or your device, whatever, whatever you may have.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at the birds of the air.
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  SPEAKER_01: They neither sow nor reap, nor gather into barns.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yet your heavenly father feeds them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you not of more value than they?
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  SPEAKER_01: And which of you, by being anxious, can add a single hour to his life span?
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  SPEAKER_01: Rhetorical question, and the answer is none of us, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because anxiety does not, cannot add to our lifespan.
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  SPEAKER_01: In fact, we could argue that it probably could shorten it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Moving on, verse 28.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why are you anxious about clothing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Consider the lilies of the field.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do how they grow?
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  SPEAKER_01: They neither toil nor spin.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: The word spin is not talking about twirling, uh, it's it's referring to like spinning or weaving garments.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the point is the the flowers don't make their own clothes.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure we're all on the same page there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Verse 29.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a moment where you go, okay, Jesus, that's that's a little hyperbole, right?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Solomon, the most opulent king in the history of the Old Testament Jewish people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this dude was decked out all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're telling me that a flower is better than that?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we go, we kind of get your point, but really you might have gone over the top a little there, Jesus.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: But remember, are we allowing God to assess our needs?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do we want, can we engage with God's interpretation and assessment of life, needs, success, failure, good, bad?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is this is actually pretty intense stuff when you see this is not just cute word pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is really trying to take us somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, verse 30.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive, tomorrow is thrown in the oven, will he not much more clothe you, oh you of little faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, do not be anxious, saying, What should we eat?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: What shall we drink?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or what shall we wear?
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I would like us to filter this part of the conversation through the concept of value.
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  SPEAKER_01: See, there's a that that word value is couched in the in the first sentence we read in this section.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it really is the key, or could be the key, to us starting to embrace the new definitions, the new paradigm, the God view of life, needs, and anxiety and our anxieties, the word value.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I was very excited when I felt like the Lord was dropping this on my heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, this is gonna be good.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be good.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about value because Jesus talks in that sentence.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get to it in a second.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: About how valuable we are to God.
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  SPEAKER_01: But before I could get into that, and I was so excited, man, I was like, oh, we're gonna think about, we're gonna dig around, talk about how valuable we are to God.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then God interrupted that flow by kind of asking me a question, and it really ruined the moment for me.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not gonna lie.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Before we talk about how I value you, I have a question for you, Richard.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: The question is I posed this question to you all today.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question is, Richard.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you value?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: What is of importance and priority for you?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: What do you value?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, do that's stung.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because I to honestly answer that question, I had to look, um, and I had to.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: I said, okay, well, let me let me kind of take it on this whole burden flowers thing.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm gonna answer that question, what does Richard value?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll overlay it with the the points, some of the points that Jesus is making.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought about the birds, and it says that the birds aren't farmers and they don't store their grain in barns, but God feeds them.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: And to answer the question honestly about what I value, I think I think it's control.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: I value control.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not proud of this, right?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: I need to work on this, and God is gracious with me.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I want to control what I consume.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want to be and I want to be calling the shots about how much I consume, about how much I have, and there's a sneaky, shadowy part of me that kind of wishes my story, my life was marked by storing things in barns, you know, big barns, lots of stuff.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's part of me that wishes that and what and would love to be in control of that, and there's some lie that that lurks that says if I were in control, I wouldn't be anxious.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I just want to make sure I have enough, right?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is that so wrong?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you what's so wrong about it is that eventually I'm gonna start not believing I do have enough.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's never gonna be enough.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I realized, you know, I kind of I kind of wish I had control over what I consume.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: What's at my disposal?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now let's talk about the the flowers, about the clothes, you know.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: They don't make their own clothes.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not a big deal to me.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care who makes my clothes, but I do want control, not over the fabric or whatever of my clothes.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I want control over?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want control over how I appear.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I want it to be locked down, I want it to match.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Thankfully, I'm married to a woman who has great fashion sense and dresses me accordingly.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Rhonda.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: But the real truth is that that thing that I wish I had control over, the way I appear, that's saying I want to have control over what you think of me.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: And sadly, tragically, that you that desire for control does not stop with the uh with the outfit.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: It moves to uh to any other assessment of me that you might have.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Whether you approve of me.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: So when I began in this journey, I met a good friend of mine who happens to be here today.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Trey, Trey Loving.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Trey and Shelley are uh our guests here today.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: They they live in Tennessee and they happen to be visiting today.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Trey is a very important part of, he's been a mentor in recovery for me.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he uh he likes to say that recovery is God lovingly introducing me to my own heart.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because the addict's journey is usually one of not wanting to get real about what's truly in our hearts, and so earlier I tongue in cheek mentioned that God starts probing that question on my mind what do you value?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I joke about it, uh you know, ruining my day, you know, but that's that's part of the rhythm of my life, and I think it's the rhythm of the Christian pilgrim's journey is that are we willing to let God reveal our hearts to us?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I have another mentor uh in my life, his name is James.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he wrote the book of James, and um we have kind of an off and on relationship, you know, because it's pretty intense sometimes.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you know, he actually says, James writes that the scriptures, the holy scriptures, the word of God is like a mirror to show us, and that mirror don't lie, and there ain't no lighting or filter on that mirror.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is just the straight-up truth of what's going on in our hearts.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm asking you, before we go any further, it's just would you be willing to join me in that in that question and entertain the question?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: What is it that I truly value?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe you're like me.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's control over these things.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: But freedom, see, this this need for control or this desire for control, it multiplies my anxiety.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't solve anything, and it keeps me farther away from the Heavenly Father, farther away from the people in my life, and it really keeps me farther, farther away from my own heart.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would say what I'm learning in these last years of uh of addiction recovery is that it is worth it to be uncomfortable or to face what used to be super duper uncomfortable and really what I spent my whole life trying to avoid, which is harsh realities about life, about other people, and mostly about me.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: So allow the Lord, as we're to do an end around on this anxiety thing and just get to the heart of the matter.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: But isn't that so true about the whole Sermon on the Mount?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the whole deal.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is constantly talking about the heart.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Last week, the divided heart.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Can't serve God and and and man money or man and mammon, you know, we can't serve God and be obsessed about possessions and material things.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole, you remember the part in the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus is like, yes, murder, bad.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Adultery, no, don't do that.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: But he doesn't stop there and he goes to the heart.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: That his whole point is winning back our rebel hearts.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he is on a mission to do that.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the sooner we get on board with that deal, the better it is gonna be for everybody.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: So let's let this discussion about anxiety bring us to a point where God has more access to our hearts so they can do his work.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: So now Jesus, now back to something Jesus said when he was talking about the birds.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're not farmers, they don't collect food, they don't store anything.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: The Heavenly Father feeds them.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then he says, Aren't you more of more value than they are?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: The value, you are valued by God.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: You are ridiculously valued, outrageously loved by your Heavenly Father.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: He you are the crowning creation, you are his crowning work, and he wants you to know that.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he's saying.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the things he's saying today.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And some of us, those of us who can be honest about our ourselves and our journeys, some of us, when we hear this thing, you are so valuable to the Heavenly Father.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: The first words out of our mouth is, Why?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: How?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: How is that even possible?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: David asked himself the same question in Psalm chapter 8.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: He says, he's looking up at the night sky, and he said, Look, the God who created all of this, how in the world is it that you care at all about human beings?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mind-blowing concept.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: And let's make it a little more personal.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: For those of us, you know, I'm not just sitting here saying, God, how is it that you could place value on a human like me?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying, on a human who is as messed up as I am, who has gone through so many back and forth, and I should have known better, and I'm dealing with it again, and how can I, how can God not be just slap war out with me?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: But the word in this message is you are valued, he values you, he values me, and we yell why, and we can't understand, and I think the answer to the why, why does God value us so much?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: My personal answer is no clue.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just, you know, I mean, I can read about it, but what does it really?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: There was a time in my life uh back in the early 2000s.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was serving in a in a church and we did a church plant, and uh we we took some people from our congregation and went to a neighboring community, and I was the leader of the church plant.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was the pastor of the church plant.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: We took a hundred people, and over the course of two years I grew it to 20.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so we just said, let's reel it back in, and you know, and we shall never talk about this again.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but during that time, God did some really cool things.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and I loved preaching every Sunday, right?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: But there was something cool that used to happen.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: And my dad would call me, my dad's 87 years old now, but my dad would call me every Sunday morning while we were setting up church, and he would call me and pray for me over the phone.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: How cool is that?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: And my dad had this one phrase that he would say every single week when he prayed for me.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: He would start his prayer and he'd say, Lord, thank you for loving us.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then he would say this phrase, I don't know why you do, but you do.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: And there was just this beautiful simplicity to that.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it moved me.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Then it moves me now.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: And although it's hard to pinpoint the exact why and how of God's love, all I know that for me and for every person in the room or hearing, hearing my voice or watching this video, every person, I just know he is so rich in mercy.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's so rich in mercy.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he has this extravagant love with which he loves us.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: That he will bring the dead to life, he will bring what is spiritually dead to life.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: And anything you thought might have been dead along the way, he's not done with it.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he can breathe life onto it, and he does it because he values us.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And when you think about it, however anxiety works and shows itself in our life, wherever we are on that spectrum, the power that it can hold over us sometimes, there is nothing anxiety, anxiety is not as powerful as God's love for us.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if we will yield ourselves and respond to his love, and if we will trust him enough to let go of the wheel when it comes to these things that own brain space in our heads that cause anxiety and questions and wondering how things are gonna work out.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: God values you.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's the punchline of the birds and flowers thing.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just a cute analogy.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to tell us how he feels about us.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: And if we will yield to that and respond to that, there is hope, regardless of how strong the anxiety is or what it is that we specifically have to deal with.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: But seek first the kingdom and his righteousness and all these things that will be added to you.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the seek word that's used in the original language is really a more contemplative kind of word.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: It it's a word that's saying, seek after something by meditating on it, by thinking about it, by pondering it, by asking about it, by inquiring about it.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of a big deal.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's the kind of seeking, not the I'm gonna get this if it's the last thing I do.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's more like, God, there's something you have for me.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's something about your kingdom that you want to show me, and I'm gonna spend, I'm gonna invest the time, I'm gonna think on it, I'm gonna meditate on it, I'm gonna ask about it.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, I'm literally gonna ask, and and I'm gonna do it first.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: It says seek first.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's talking about two things.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's talking about priority, like what's the most important thing, but it literally, if you look at the language, it's it you could it could actually reach seek at first the kingdom.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: At first, what so what's the big deal with that?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally the timeline.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's talking about the the progression.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to seek at the first the kingdom.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: I what I'm it's confusing to me.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: The assessments of the kingdom don't match my assessments, the anxiety's talking, but Jesus is talking.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I gotta think on this.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta ask, I got a lot of questions to ask, but I'm gonna do it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna do that first.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: At first.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: First, at the first part of the day.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: How about at the first part of the crisis?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: When it first hits, when the panic attack comes, the first thing I'm gonna do is call out to God, even if that's all I can do.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because panic attacks are intense, but what if I'm calling out to God instead of cursing my life?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Or calling out to God instead of diving and sinking deeper into the panic?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Call saying the name of Jesus.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: At first, I'm gonna seek the kingdom of God.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty big deal.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so I love that thought about meditating and inquiring, and it makes me think I'm gonna circle back to my dog, okay, Bella.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mocked her earlier, and you laughed, so you're with me on this, all right?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think she might she may be on to something.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think she may be on to something.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a psalm, Psalm 27, verse 4, that overlays with this idea of seeking the kingdom by meditating and by inquiring and asking questions.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Check this out.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Verse 4 of Psalm 27, it says, One thing, one thing have I asked of the Lord, and that I will seek after, that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to gaze upon his beauty, and to inquire in his temple.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, man.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: That dog was looking at me like I was the only thing in the world.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: How many times do I do that when I'm seeking God?
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do that and I want to do it more.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: I want to just sit there, get it up as close as close to his face as I can, and just lock in.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to gaze and I want to inquire in his temple.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: God is saying, ask me anything.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Ask me anything.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Especially, but not limited to especially about your anxiety, especially about how you feel like you're losing time and energy and years and and and progress to these struggles with worry and fear and anxiety.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Now you feel like this diagnosis might own your life.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ask me about that, God is saying.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Dwell with me, gaze on me.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk, let's have conversations.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Ask me about your question marks, about your fears, about your regrets, about your whys.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Bring it all.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then we become people who seek first the kingdom.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how it'll look.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: I used to think seeking first the kingdom meant getting my act together, getting right with God, and being awesome and spiritual.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I think seeking first the kingdom is bringing as much nonsense as I'm dealing with and bringing it right to Him.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: And doing it early, doing it now, doing it in the morning, doing it, that this is how we seek first the kingdom.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: And this is how we will heal.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: There is hope for us.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm just gonna mention the final verse in chapter six, and then uh we'll we'll have the team come up, and we're gonna actually move towards uh observing and celebrating communion together.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but uh Jesus ends up by saying, just kind of wrapping up his whole thing by saying, Therefore, don't be anxious about tomorrow.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow will be anxious for itself.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a very interesting like epilogue to this beautiful section of his sermon.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I was always kind of curious about it.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it almost sounds like he's saying a saying, like an idiom, and like, worry about tomorrow when it gets here, which there's probably wisdom in that, you know, but there's a lot more going on when Jesus says there's gonna be plenty, you know, there'll there'll be anxiety enough for tomorrow.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: And and so let's be encouraged by this is that Jesus knows this is not a one and done thing.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: The anxiety thing is not a one-and-done deal for us.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very likely that anxiety is gonna show up again tomorrow.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: And God is not gonna be mad at you if you wake up worried in the morning.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: All he's doing is he's inviting you, and he's like, let's run it again.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let's run this play again.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is a he, we are being invited into a journey.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: We are not, God is not waving a flag like uh guaranteeing that one prayer or one revelation or one epiphany that we might have is gonna rid us from worry and fear and anxiety for the rest of our lives.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I would sign up for that if it's available, but Jesus is saying, Don't worry about that.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna roll back in tomorrow.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: And when it does, I'm just as here as I am right now.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just as with you.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I care and value you just as much, and there's just as much hope for you as there was yesterday.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna do it again tomorrow.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: So so be encouraged.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be alright.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: God's got us.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: There is hope.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the hard parts of the journey, he'll carry us along if we ask him to.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't God good?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you, Lord, for doing that.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I love, I love being able to hear your podcast.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, voice and approach, tone and energy.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: But then you get that you get that pastor tone, you get that preacher energy up on stage.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, dude.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Rico bringing it, dude.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: Did you catch the uh reference to Trey and Shelly Lovern?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Was that the same weekend that they were here in Columbus?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: That we ended up doing the recording?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: So on that Sunday, they came in, sat in on the service, and then after lunch, we took them to Culver's, by the way, and Trey and Shelly sat here with us.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: And we did those two wonderful interviews.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now that was way back in, it was actually in February of 2026.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: No way.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we didn't get around to releasing those episodes.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you remember this, but it was like late May and June.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so during the time they were sitting here with us, and we got to talk about what the Lord spoke to us all through that message from Matthew chapter six about, you know, trusting the Lord and releasing the worry and the anxiety.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: They did not know that day that within a few months they would be enduring the cancer diagnosis that Shelley received.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: And she is doing miraculously better, by the way.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: And but again, another example of the Lord being like, don't be anxious.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: And again, only he could have orchestrated that timeline.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: And as we said there at the end of that message, God will carry us through.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: He just will.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: And we've we're seeing, even just in our conversations uh couched around this uh message we just listened to, we've seen multiple examples of that beautiful thing that God does in carrying his children.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you to all our listeners for going on this journey.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: Very interesting, very different.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Not the normal sermons on the side thing, but what a beautiful ride.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: It is, man.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: And blessings to you, blessings to your family.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think I speak for all of the sermons on the side family when we say we are praying for Pop.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're praying for you, we're praying for Laura, we're praying for everybody.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we love you, man.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we're here for you.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I feel it, brother.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you guys are awesome.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: I this is such a different and a unique episode.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think something special about 90.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm grateful to be here.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys have an awesome week, and we'll see you again next week for episode 91 of Sermons on the Side.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I will say this.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: How cool that you ended up that you ended up referencing that season in your life which gave us this wonderful episode early in our episode 22, maybe 20.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: The loss in life?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly I thought it was episode like 11 or maybe it was something like that.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that was a that was a crazy that was a crazy season, man.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that all of us, we go through different seasons, we go through different times.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now you got me questioning it.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Scroll back.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I've scrolled a lot on these episodes.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, 90.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean you can.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like when you're like inputting your age in something and you're like, oh man, I'm getting a couple of things.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like on the pricers, right?
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Spending that big dude, you were right.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is 11.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: Episode 11.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: You are on it.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Holy cow, what is 22?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you believe in miracles?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Miracles.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm getting chills, bro.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's some good stuff.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Good stuff.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: But we you know, we talked about episode 11.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: We reference episode 70 and 71, which is Trey and uh and Shelly.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, it's just good, man.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: And look, we talked a lot about pop.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: A father's heart.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: A father's heart?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's in the is it episode four?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is episode four.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Bro.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's episode five.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: We just need a list printed here.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh Elliot is going amateurs.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, we're gonna be able to do that.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know all of you guys on the list.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, that tells you how good is God that we've been able to share these stories over the over the months and over the year and a half that we've been doing this.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's yeah, absolutely.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: And but whether people know you or know Pop or don't, they're gonna.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's cool that people listen to the podcast and do know him.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they do know us all.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for the thing.