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Can the Cardinals keep up with the NL Central? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday, June nineteenth, and as Bernie and I record
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  Speaker 1: this episode, it was supposed to be a serious recap
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  Speaker 1: episode between the Cardinals and the White Sox, but we
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  Speaker 1: should have known after two weeks thought a doubleheader, that
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals would get another one.
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  Speaker 2: So as we recorded this right now, it's four to
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  Speaker 2: one Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: In the top of the fourth, Alec Burlason and Nolan
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  Speaker 1: Arnotto went back to back in the inning. Prior Congratulations
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  Speaker 1: to Nolan home run number three fifty for the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: third baseman. What a career he has had. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to Cardinal territory. Bernie and I finally reunited. It's been
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  Speaker 1: so long, Bernie, how are you. I haven't seen you
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  Speaker 1: in forever. I feel like I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: I missed you, you know. I'm used to doing two
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  Speaker 3: of these a week with you, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I got maybe I was designated for assignment or something.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm.
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  Speaker 2: The show episode. No way.
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  Speaker 3: No, It's good to be back with you. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: always a lot to talk about. The Cardinals are interesting,
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  Speaker 3: if nothing else, whether they're good or they're bad, or
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  Speaker 3: there's a drama, it's just they're always always interesting, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because of that lineup churn and Ali's got to make
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  Speaker 3: all these decisions, and you you know, you have McGreevy
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  Speaker 3: pitching today, and it's it's kind of like, are they
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  Speaker 3: really gonna send them back to Memphis? I mean, there's
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  Speaker 3: just always something going on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's jump right into it, because Shotter, you're in
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  Speaker 1: my mind. As we mentioned, the Cardinals are still playing
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  Speaker 1: right now, their second game of Thursday's doubleheader, but they
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  Speaker 1: did take the series things to comeback win in Game
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  Speaker 1: one five to four. Shout out Wilson Contrera's game tight
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  Speaker 1: home run. Shout out the White Sox defense for you
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  Speaker 1: go ahead on earn run that won that game. But
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  Speaker 1: really I thought that, and we talked about this in
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday's episode. The win on Tuesday was they needed to
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  Speaker 1: do that. They needed to at least win the series
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  Speaker 1: bare minimum.
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  Speaker 2: They can hold on to.
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  Speaker 1: This lead, obviously, they'll take a sweep, would do wonders
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  Speaker 1: to get them back to a good place ahead of
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  Speaker 1: their seven straight games against their Nlcentral opponents. But I
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  Speaker 1: think Michael McGreevy, who's allowed want and run so far,
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  Speaker 1: this is fun. It's like we're watching the game together
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We should have done a live stream just we're able
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  Speaker 3: to talk about the game, not play by play. We
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  Speaker 3: could have done like a game breakdown, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of play by play by not play by play, but
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  Speaker 3: for when something happens.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, finally that away for my next off series.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to do that with the Foul Territory.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: What a fun idea.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So back to McGreevy before I get super sidetracked.
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  Speaker 1: I checked out from the team for maybe twelve hours,
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  Speaker 1: and as a B writer that you are apparently not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to do that. Because imagine my surprise as I
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  Speaker 1: have MLB Network on my TV this morning, getting ready
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  Speaker 1: to go hang out with my.
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  Speaker 2: Mom and St.
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  Speaker 1: Charles, and on the little ticker it says McGreevy, as
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  Speaker 1: they're probable for today, and I've said, oh, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So after a couple of texts with the manager, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Michael mcgreeby brought up to be the twenty seventh man.
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  Speaker 1: As we know, this will not impact his availability or
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  Speaker 1: eligibility to be called up again on June twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Tuesday game between the Cubs, should the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals elect to go that route, they will end up
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  Speaker 1: using another temporary six man starter, similar to how they
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  Speaker 1: have in weeks prior when they do that.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure.
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  Speaker 1: They were tentatively looking at July or June twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me for that date.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure with the doubleheader if they will.
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  Speaker 1: But we will see Michael McGreevy again at some point
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  Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks after as the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: next off day is not until July third, so.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully, And it's going well so far.
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  Speaker 1: If Michael mcgevy can handle the Mets and the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 1: he should be able to handle the White Sox. But
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  Speaker 1: at this point, Bernie, we'd understand and we know why
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  Speaker 1: Michael McGreevy isn't in this rotation.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, what.
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  Speaker 1: Else does he have to do, and what's in your mind,
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  Speaker 1: what's the best path to get him in Saint Louis
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  Speaker 1: pitching continuously every five six days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I gotta be honest with you. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and I do understand it, Okay, I do understand it
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  Speaker 3: from a logical standpoint. But then I sit here. I
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  Speaker 3: got a lot of time to think. You know. Up
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  Speaker 3: in my lair, which is my office, I have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time to think. I'm in here all day,
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  Speaker 3: and then I get annoyed because the Cardinals, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they they want to tell us over and over and
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  Speaker 3: over again, it's a runway season. It's a runway season.
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  Speaker 3: Young players opportunities here, we go, roll out the runway, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, okay, we're all on board with that.
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  Speaker 3: But then they make decisions that indicate, hey, we're trying
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  Speaker 3: to win, you know we Yeah, we got to try
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  Speaker 3: to win. Okay, so yeah, we're we're gonna give ourselves
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  Speaker 3: the best chance to win. It's not always going to
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  Speaker 3: be about the runway. But this is what irritates me
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  Speaker 3: about the McGreevy situation. He's both Okay, you're right, he's both.
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  Speaker 3: He fits the runway. In fact, he may be the
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  Speaker 3: epitome of a runway pitcher or player, and he also
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  Speaker 3: increases your chances of winning because he's really really good.
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  Speaker 3: So why isn't he in your rotation. I'll try not
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  Speaker 3: to holler, would holler at you, Kate, But it's like,
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  Speaker 3: if you think about it in those terms, it's just
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  Speaker 3: exasperating because it really doesn't make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 3: But to your question, I don't know. Do you trade uh?
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  Speaker 3: Do you trade fetti at the trade deadline? Do you
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  Speaker 3: do you say thank you to Miles Michaelis but we
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  Speaker 3: have to move on. Do you send Pilante to Memphis
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  Speaker 3: to work on some stuff? I don't know, but if you,
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  Speaker 3: if you want, If this is a Runway season and
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  Speaker 3: you have a runway pitcher and the picture happens to
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  Speaker 3: be outstanding every time you give him a chance, why
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  Speaker 3: does he have to take his suitcase back to Memphis
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  Speaker 3: so often? I don't it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Here, Bernie, let me add a banner for you. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like this, this is something, this would be the
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  Speaker 1: new segment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're spot on, like he is the.
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  Speaker 2: Best off for Runway and results and we haven't seen him.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand it. I you know, have never really
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  Speaker 2: loved it.
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  Speaker 1: But I get what they're doing and I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of a I can't think of something that disproves their
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  Speaker 1: theory here because they are right.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, that's right, right.
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  Speaker 1: But a credit to McGreevy, who, when I talked to
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  Speaker 1: him after the Dodgers spot start, said like, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not ideal, but it's the business. I
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  Speaker 1: get it, and I'm in a good spot mentally here
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  Speaker 1: and I can handle this and I believe him, and
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  Speaker 1: that's something that I think is only going to suit
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  Speaker 1: him more going further.
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  Speaker 2: And it's why Ollie Marmal likes him so much. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like the Cardinals don't want Michael McGreevy and
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  Speaker 2: Saint Louis. Do you know who probably wants him here
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  Speaker 2: the most? Allie? Do you know who also wants him here? Mo? Like?
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  Speaker 2: It's not a matter of every like not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're in charge, aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: They're in charge.
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  Speaker 1: They want him here, they don't have room for him.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right when you gave those three options.
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  Speaker 1: I think the most the highest probability of those options
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  Speaker 1: is the Cardinals. Look, whether they buy or sell, and
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  Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. I'm not ready to have that
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  Speaker 1: conversation on June nineteenth. But whether they buy or sell,
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  Speaker 1: you can trade Eric Fetti, who was in his final
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  Speaker 1: year of a seven point five million dollar contract, who's
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  Speaker 1: having a good year, who is going to show what
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  Speaker 1: quick math, maybe two million dollars for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the season, probably a little less to be a league
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  Speaker 1: average starter and has value. You can offload him and
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  Speaker 1: trade him and create a spot for McGreevy if you
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  Speaker 1: feel comfortable with the depth and Triple A now with
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  Speaker 1: some heavy arms have come back from the injured list,
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  Speaker 1: when Matthews's back team hands is back to cohe where
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  Speaker 1: we just promoted to Triple A earlier in the month.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying rush them up as the last thing
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals should be doing with those three pictures, but
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  Speaker 1: you maybe feel a little bit more comfortable with your
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  Speaker 1: depth in August. If those pictures stay healthy and perform, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the conversation that you can have and say, maybe
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals trade Eric Fetti, create that position for McGreevy.
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  Speaker 2: Just two months of runway, and by doing that, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you're old.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so boosting your team because by trading Fetti, by
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  Speaker 1: trading almost the majority of these guys, if the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: decided to do that, it's not about the return, okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's about creating other opportunities for playing time. Where think
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  Speaker 1: of the Detroit Tigers last year, for example, what the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers did at the deadline, offloading expiring talent and opening
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  Speaker 1: up runway for some of their younger guys actually made
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  Speaker 1: them a better team.
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  Speaker 2: They snuck into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: That's the ideal blueprint for the Cardinals, if they can
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  Speaker 1: do that with an Eric Fetti, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to do that with michaelis full,
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  Speaker 1: no trade clause owed a little bit more money, hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been as effective as Eric Fetti. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to move Plant into the bullpen because of
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  Speaker 1: the depth reasons. So if they can offload Fetty and
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  Speaker 1: bring McGreevy in, that makes sense. But that just goes
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  Speaker 1: into if they.
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  Speaker 2: Trust their depth right now, I guess we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see McGreevy in like brandom bursts of happiness because
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Bertie, you should be here.
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  Speaker 5: He should.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, quinnin Atthews, I thought the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 3: the people down below were really smart. I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: had some shoulder fatigue, some mild distress, and they did
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  Speaker 3: the smart thing. They not only shut him down, but
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  Speaker 3: when he was in his downtime, they kind of smoothed
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  Speaker 3: out some mechanical flaws. I mean that See, this is
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  Speaker 3: my hope, and I think it's every once hope for
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  Speaker 3: the Cardinals player development and farm system, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: have like really good, smart, proactive handling of your well
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  Speaker 3: all your guys, but your best guys. So since he's
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  Speaker 3: been back, he's made three starts and he's been outstanding.
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  Speaker 3: His strikeout rate is like thirty five percent, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and er like one point three six or something. But
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  Speaker 3: the point is it just reminds you just how talented
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  Speaker 3: he is. Now if he continues down this track of
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  Speaker 3: just striking people out and looking great and everything else, well,
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  Speaker 3: the runway is going to get even more crowded. And
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  Speaker 3: I know that the Cardinals can push Matthews back until
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. I get it, But I'm just wondering
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  Speaker 3: other than Libataur and I commend the Cardinals for giving
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  Speaker 3: him a shot this year. Are they ever? We all
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  Speaker 3: talk about whether they we'll have enough pitching prospects. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's been a failure for years. They don't develop their own. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they're finally developing their own and you sort of have
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  Speaker 3: them parked in neutral I mean metaphorically speaking. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna be I'm gonna see. It's really interesting. It's whether
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  Speaker 3: Quinn Matthews becomes a factor in this, and because maybe
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  Speaker 3: he's next in line after McGreevy, whether this would be
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  Speaker 3: some kind of spur to push McGreevy forward and then
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  Speaker 3: to use the runway method to get rid of the
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  Speaker 3: runway metaphor again, and then the next the next picture
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  Speaker 3: for takeoff would be Matthews, right, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, maybe maybe Matthews, maybe Roby. I think you can
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  Speaker 1: have the composition with both of those. I think Tin
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  Speaker 1: Kent is a little bit more behind. But again, this
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  Speaker 1: just all goes into well, I'm really excited about Quinn Matthews,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about Tokoorobi.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Hols is really excited about to Kobe all
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  Speaker 2: In Marmal He's like that we it's not.
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  Speaker 1: The major league manager's job to memorize the minor league
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  Speaker 1: stat lines out of all the things that they have
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  Speaker 1: on their plate that you know, he'll get the email
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  Speaker 1: and he'll understand what's going on then. But he seems
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  Speaker 1: to always know what's going on with Roby, So that
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  Speaker 1: says a lot about where he is on mar Allie
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  Speaker 1: Marble's scale. This all goes back to death though, and
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  Speaker 1: creating death and ensuring you have enough is important. The Cardinals,
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  Speaker 1: knock on Wood again, have not had any major pitching injuries,
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  Speaker 1: and they actually candidly probably expected McGreevy in the rotation
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  Speaker 1: by now because they're planning for an injury. It's so
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  Speaker 1: rare in this day, especially to not have a significant
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  Speaker 1: rotation injury. I'm gonna stop talking about it before I
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  Speaker 1: drink some. But it's it's a good problem to have.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make it any more frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: So looking forward to see, oh it's six to one,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how they scored.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I was watched. I
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  Speaker 3: had the game on TV here and I have a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big TV set in my office, and I noticed
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  Speaker 3: it when I was getting ready for you like, because
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  Speaker 3: because of the camera shots and all this stuff, it
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  Speaker 3: was like flickering. Yeah, I thought. I thought, like in
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  Speaker 3: the background, it's like the lights would be changing colored.
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  Speaker 3: People be thinking what is he doing in there?
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  Speaker 1: Is he?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what's up with that? Is he is? You know?
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  Speaker 3: Is he having some kind of psychedelic moment or something?
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  Speaker 3: So I thought I better just I better pause it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do an episode on like psychedelic experience, so that'd
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  Speaker 1: be really good.
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  Speaker 3: So funny way, No.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a fair point, and I think moral of
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  Speaker 1: the story for this segment, we got to see more
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  Speaker 1: Maa Greeby.
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  Speaker 2: I believe we will. I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: They're probably gonna send him. They are going to send
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  Speaker 1: him down because he's twenty seventh man.
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  Speaker 2: They have to.
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  Speaker 1: He's not eligible to be recalled until the twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 1: We will see him most likely, like ninety nine point
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  Speaker 1: five percent at some point between the twenty fourth and
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  Speaker 1: July third, we want to see more, all right, Wrapping
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  Speaker 1: All Right after this White Sox game, the Cardinals come
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  Speaker 1: back to Bus Stadium. Seven homestand against the Reds and
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  Speaker 1: then four against the Cubs, thirteen of their next sixteen
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  Speaker 1: games versus NL Central opponents. I cannot believe we over
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  Speaker 1: We are over a third of the way through the
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  Speaker 1: season and we have not seen the Chicago Cubs yet.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, this is a huge series. Get we got to
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  Speaker 2: go through the Reds first.
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  Speaker 3: I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I understand when I'm sure at a time, let's not
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  Speaker 1: minimize where the things are in the NL Central standings.
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  Speaker 2: Let me look them up right now, because I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure if they've changed.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think the Reds were getting beat bad today.
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  Speaker 3: I assume they lost, but I guess I shouldn't count
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  Speaker 3: on that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the Brewers beat the Cubs and the Reds lost,
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  Speaker 1: So the Cardinals they'll pick up what half a game
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  Speaker 1: today could move If they win five and a half
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  Speaker 1: games back from the Cubs tied.
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  Speaker 2: With the Brewers a four game series, A lot can
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  Speaker 2: go down there.
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  Speaker 1: So am I being dramatic by saying this week is
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  Speaker 1: super telling for how the Cardinals trade deadline will go.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you're right, because you know, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: you know I think the Cubs are going to run
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: away with the division, but you know you still want
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: to see how you measure up against him, and if
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: you can win that series somehow, win three out of four,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: you know it'd be good for your psyche and a
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: lot of other things. But you also have to handle
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati because Cincinnati. Let me look at my notes here,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: like with the loss today, they've still won nine out
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: of their last twelve, and they're nineteen. They're nineteen and
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: twelve in their last thirty one games. They're starting, pitching
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: is really good. Even with Hunter Green out, they've been
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: scoring a lot more runs. Even though even though you
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: know they plugged in what's his name, Paglia or Pigott,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he's been a lights out closer. So all
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, that thing looks a lot more firmed up.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying they're super team, but they're clearly
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: playing better. And these two teams split in Cincinnati. Now
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: the Reds eat despite the loss today, they're going to
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: come in here, you know, kind of strutting a little bit.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: You know, this is just all right, we got hey,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: we're Terry or Francona's team. Now we sateened some things out.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Let's go get the Cardinals and beat him in their place.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: So I do think it is I use this word
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: a lot. I think it really isn't good test for
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals because look, I never ever ever de duct
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: points from when the Cardinals beat up on a bad team.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: And if they sweep the White Sox or they went
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: two out of three. They did their job. Okay, I
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: don't nitpick that because you can't lose the bad team,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: so if you beat them, you get credit for that.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: But now the next seven games after this, it's going
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: to be challenge time for sure. And I don't want
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: to overlook the Reds because the Reds, you know, you
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: look look at you look at the four starting pitchers
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: that are healthy, you know, Abbot and Lodolo and Singer
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and Martinez their last twenty four starts, you know, combined
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: their eras a little over three. So the Reds are
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: coming in here with some great pitching, and I think
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: that I think it's it's going to be fascinating to
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: see if the Reds are better than the Cardinals now
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and they're about they're about a dead heat in the state.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: So or is this going to be the Cardinal series
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to sort of push back and say, Okay, we went
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: through some hard times, right, we're feeling better. Now we're
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: going to take you down in our place. You know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I kind of love the psychology this series.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: The next three days, before you even.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Get to the Cups, I'm with you and I'm a
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: self I'll say it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a Reds hater because every year I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: come in and I'm like, oh, they could surprise some people.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: They have, you know, an athletic roster.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I was hoping to see some some things that are
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Terry Francona, I like their pitching, and then every year
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: they're just kind of like five hundred and I'm like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: why did I believe? So I decided not to believe
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: this year, and I'm a little skeptical on if this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: is sustainable. But you make great points about this Reds
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: team and this is going to be a very compelling series,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and I like what you said about is this something
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: where the Cardinals went through a tough stretch which they knew.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: They knew coming into June that this was going to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: be brutal. They knew this was going to be tough,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: and they knew that this might not go according to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: plan with I think we just all really underestimated the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: amount of consecutive games in a row and how much
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of a toll that would take, especially when you had
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: players like Jordan Walker unavailable for two weeks. Laras Newbar
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: had to take a little mini hiatus, Brendan Donnovan out
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: for four games, so you're relying on a lot of
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: depth that the Cardinals don't really have. Now, if they
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: can come in against the Reds and take care of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: business and you know, at least split against the Cubs,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: are you feeling more confident like the May version of
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and are you more likely to say, okay,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the first two weeks of June was kind of just
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a fluke and part of the ups and downs at
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: this baseball season. Because I'm inclined to think just depending
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: on how the games go, if they go four and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: three against the Cubs and the Reds, I'm more inclined
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to get back to the May side than the June side.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: It's a fascinating thing because the more I watch them
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and I look at the fact that before they went
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: on that fourteen and three tear, okay, they were five
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: games on five hundred, and then once that was over
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: or once one of their big streaks maybe they're twenty
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and seventh streak was over, then they say, then they
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: were until these last couple of wins, they were like
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: three or four games under five hundred. So they've had
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the one hot streak, but they've been a losing team
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: in the two other phases of the season. So what
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that tells me, I think, because every time I lock
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: in on the Cardinals they do something different, Like I think, oh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: they're boy, they're okay, they're returning to Earth, and then
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: they go flying again. You know, here they come. So
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I think for this team here, here's what I think.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: For this team to be consistently good and I'm not
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: saying great, but consistently good where they avoid those down
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: times that take a lot out of them. For that
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: to happen, they have to have so many guys position
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: players and pitchers like sort of playing close to their
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: ceiling of ability. And if those guys who when you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: when the team's going well, they're they're kind of collectively
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: reaching their as individuals, right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: They're not quite established where that consistency is there. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: if they're not hitting their ceilings or they're not close
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to their ceilings, and we saw that with the lineup recently,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and you have about four or five guys at one
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: time or just aren't hitting, it's pretty ugly. Or your
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: rotation a couple three of your starters go through a rut,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: it's pretty ugly. So I'm not saying they have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: be great, But I think it's a team that frankly
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: is kind of wired to have a lot of ups
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and downs. But how do they get past the part
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: of it's inevitable to have a lot of ups and downs?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I'm kind of looking at
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: it from an overview standpoint, but I'm still not sure
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: who they are, except maybe that's who they are. They're
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: going to be an up and down team, and in.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: A season that's designated for runway and opportunity and adjusting
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and readjusting, that does make sense.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Does it make it easy for us? No? Does it
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: make it easy for the fans? No? But I'm not boring,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And in this season where expectations.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Were on the floor and there was an overall just whatever, apathetic, frustrated,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: disinterested view over this organization, having a baseball team that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is objectively not boring and performing above expectations, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: highs and lows aside, I think that we can get
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: on board with that. I'm not saying that here that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to go and make the playoffs. I have
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: no idea what their trade deadline is going to look like.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I have no idea in the next four weeks how
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: their play is going to impact those decisions. And I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: have no idea how not Mo, not Heim Bloom, how
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: ownership will respond to their play, because ultimately those are
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the ones making the decisions this year. MO will have
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: all to say over you know, the baseball operation standpoint,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but as terms like as far as the finances go
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and the money and the payroll, that's ownership, So all
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: those things outside of our control. The thing that we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: can watch every day is is team play. And when
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you have a team that has a learned the big
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: leagues in real time, you're gonna see players like Victor
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Scott the second have some real low weeks. You're gonna
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: see Lars Newbar have some real low weeks. You're gonna
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: see Brendan Donovan have some highs, and you're gonna see
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Matthew Libertore be really good one start and not so
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: good the next start.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of I think I think you nailed
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: at Bernie.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Like, the overall approach for this Cardinals team is there's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be some highs and lows, and if they can
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to whether the highs a little
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: bit more consistently, maybe we have a much more exciting
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: second half than we originally thought.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Can I throw one more thing into and the guys
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: that we are coming into the season and I should
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: have It just occurred to me to think of it
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: this way, or I would have written down a listed names.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So I didn't forget anybody but the guys who came
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: into the season with established records who are good and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: we expected them to be good, maybe even great those guys.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I understand the fluctuations with the people trying to get established,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: but Sonny Gray's got to be more consistent. They really
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: need Ryan Helsley to fix that fastball. They really need
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that because they're going to play a lot of tight games.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: He's nowhere close to himself, at least based on twenty
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: twenty four. That was a nice save today, But until
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that fastball gets fixed, you know, you're not sure what
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to expect from him from save opportunity to save opportunity.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: And that's a really dangerous thing for the Cardinals because
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: last year they were not a super team. And I'm
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: not putting all this on Hellsley, but they were not
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a super team last year. But why did they win
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: eighty three games? Because the bullpen, the setup guys were great,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: and he just basically went boom every time he came
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: out to put one away. And that's not the case
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: this year. And during this bad stretch they've been they've
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: they've been in and coming out of, he was really shaky.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't mean to put it all on Sunny Gray,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm just saying, Sonny Gray is the guy that
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: leads your rotation. He's got to be a hammer. Ryan
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Helsley's got to be a hammer. Who else would you
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: put in that category? A guy that a hitter or
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: pitcher that's established that's being really good and the Cardinals
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: need them to be really good, I mean, or else
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: if they fluctuate just like the young guys, then you're
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: not going to be real successful consistently. Who else would
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you put in that camp?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: You're right on the Sunny grade. They're paying him to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: be the ace.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: He needs to pitch like the ace, and he's had
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a good season, but you'd like to see him be
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent. Hellsley couldn't agree more. I'd
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: say controers, and he has done that. I mean, the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season were not great. But
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: since then he's been one of the most productive hitters.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I would have said heading into the season,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado, but I the ops is right around seven
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: hundred right now, and yet the offense seems to be
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: doing okay without him, because.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying he's not contributing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: He's had ten homers on the ear, but he's not
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: contributing to the level that the Cardinals needed him to
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: or that he expects of himself. But the reason that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they've been able to get away from that and be
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: okay with that is because guys like Brendan Donovan and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Von Herrera have come up and really established themselves as.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Legit major league hitters in different ways.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan is the contact, get on base kind of guy,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and Herrera is he's like their big moment bat.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: When was the last time the Cardinals had a bat.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: In the lineup where in late inning game situation, runners
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in scoring position, you felt good about it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: You're like, you know who's going to come through for
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: us right now? Yvon Herrera.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And in this very short sample size, he's given me
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a ton of confidence in those big moments. So I
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they need to perform this year because
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be the expectation. But now that those two
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: have proven that they can and they've set the expectations
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for themselves going forward, they need to be able to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: sustain this if they if the Cardinals want to be.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Good, that's exactly right. And I love watching Avon Herrera.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Bet.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I don't like watching them catch, but I love that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I love watching him swing the bat. And he's such
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a confident hitter and he's so smart. And the thing
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: about it is, and you saw him go through We
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: saw him go through a drought recently, and he got
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: through it. He's smart, He adjusted, he figured out what
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: they were doing. He's a very cerebral guy when it
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: comes to hitting a baseball and wondering what pitchers are
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: going to do. He doesn't get tricked a lot. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: he's only going to get better and better and better.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And that's pretty exciting for the Cardinals and their fans
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: for the future. But I'm with you in Wilson Contreres.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't know about the inner dynamics of leadership
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, about who gives the speeches and all
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that if anybody gives speeches anymore. But certainly his presence
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and his personality and his intensity on the field, as
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: we saw in Milwaukee, saw it a little bit in
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: this series. I think I think his younger teammates are
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: just really fired up by him. He's careless, he doesn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: give a damn.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not, as evidenced by his interview postgame
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: on Saturday against the Brewers.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Look, I have learned in my five years on the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: beat that you.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Should always expect the unexpected. I did not expect Wilson
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Conturis to go secon mode.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: On the live post.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So I can't repeat those words on this TV. My
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: grandma watches the show sometimes, so I will not. But
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I think we all know what we're at, what incident
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: we're talking about with Wilson. But let me tell you,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse was like shocked.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: For a second.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Those young guys are like, no way, he just said that,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Because we're in the visiting club much smaller so you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: hear everything, and all of a sudden, just.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Like they just erupted. They were like no way, Like
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: who says that?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: But he's done a really nice job, I think, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Nolan too, of letting this clubhouse these young guys be
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: themselves this year, where in twenty one and twenty two,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: twenty three go on, there were a bunch of established
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: veterans with a high expectation of how not just how
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: baseball should be played, but how being a Cardinal should
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: look and feel. And I'm not taken away from that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: because obviously those veterans, no matter what ones you're thinking of,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: have had tremendous success both personally and with the team.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And when you're in the Saint it was Cardinals, it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: so important to have a culture established in that club house.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But this is not a normal year for Saint Louis, right,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's one where they can start to establish their
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: own culture. Anderson Arnatto said, Okay, we're going to let
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: them do that. And Sonny Gray said, I'm going to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: let them do that. I'm gonna let those pictures come
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to me. I'll be there for them, and he has been.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sonny has a different picture with him every day.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: But we're going to let them figure out what they
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: want the culture to be and we're going to give
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: them the opportunity to develop there as well.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And that's done a lot, maybe more than I would
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: have expected.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Smart it is, it's really smart. And listen, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: as someone who chronicled the Cardinals during the Tony LaRussa
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: era and even beyond, because they were still really good
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: through twenty fifteen, the whole Cardinal Way thing mattered. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the whole Cardinal Way thing was also misrepresented a lot
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: by people in the media. But even Mike Mentheni, the manager,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: it was never meant to be like, oh, we're holier
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: than now, We're you know, oh we're we have good morals,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you know, we know, and that message sort of got
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: out there by frankly, some of the stuff Mike Methidi
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: would say, and then all of a sudden, the rest,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you know, basically national baseball media, they're sort of sort
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: of making fun of it. It's like, who these guys
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: are a little bit a little bit haughty here. Okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: that part of it was was just ridiculous, right, But
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the basic fundamentals and the principles that the Cardinal Way
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that started by George Kissel, what they represent, that was
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: a real thing and they really really matter. However, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'll be quick here, However, that culture from a baseball
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: standpoint is still really something to aspire to. But I
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: thought I think the Cardinals were too slow to adapt
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: to the fact young players today it's just a different vibe.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: It's a different setis cultural standards, and you have to
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: let guys be who they are. It can't be a
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: library in there, like if you have a loose clubhouse
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: with the young guys. You know, you can't be like, oh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: we better keep it down. You know, we just got
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to look from you know, you can't have that. You
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: got to let them be who they are. To your point,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I'm backing up your point because you know, the Cardinal
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: way thing from a baseball standpoint, will live forever if
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: people take care of it. But the Cardinals did get
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: a little too haughty there for a while, and they're little,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: little little too like button down and where the Cardinals
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: and we're immaculate, and all that stuff had to go away.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You got to let the boys be boys. Look at
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: all the great teams. Look at how much fun they have.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Look at how loose they are. They get dirty on
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the field. I mean they're they're kind of rowdy, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: they play pranks on each other. They kind of put
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: all their personality out there. You gotta dapt with the times.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. And you know we hear a lot after
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: games or bad weeks where the veterans.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Are like, hey, I really like where our heads around
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: are here, Allie like, well, I really like where the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: club is at right now.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I know fans Bowl the Rise and they're like, we
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like winning games.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But someone who's in the clubhouse every game.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: The first time the Cardinals lost, I walked in there
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and they had music playing, not bumping, not super loud,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: but just like music like to hey, we're going home.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: We'll go get them tomorrow.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And I remember myself and a couple of reporters stopping
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and looking around like we've never heard that. Usually after
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: losses in years prior, you could hear your footsteps in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse and we'd all have to like whisper in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: our postgame interviews because it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Was so quiet. Now it's like, hey, we lost, but
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: don't worry, we're gonna be back tomorrow. We're going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: be a good spot.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So I agree with you, Bernie. I really like what
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: these young kids are at. And we'll talk about a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: little a couple more young kids in our final segment.
• 31:37
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  Speaker 2: All right, vibe chef, vibe check. It's still six to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: one Saint Louis in the bottom of the fifth.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: And by the way, how about Alec Burlson.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: How about Alec Burlison.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, now he's crushing left handed pictures yea, you.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Know, shouting out as the field. He had a ball
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: at as eyeballs, I.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Know, And it's just like I was watching that because
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it's right before I got ready to come on with you,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: and he's like he's I think he's figured this out,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you know, and and uh boy, he's fun to watch.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the to me. I know, we're
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: talking about some younger players, but he's kind of in
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: between because he's not like this, you know, highly experienced
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: season major league player and he's still twenty six. He
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: still had some things to prove. But he may be
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the success story if you're looking for like so called
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: runway or near runway players. He may be like the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: best thing that's happened so far, right, And you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: certainly with certainly with position players.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And this is the player who saw his runway cut
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: him and just the nature of not being able to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: being able to trade Arana. We know that that brings
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: us to our great segue. As always Bernie, who's in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the line up and who's out. I'll tell you this,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I do not I don't know Olie marml right now
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: because he needs to play the kids, right, opportunity for Walker,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for Gorman, for Burlison, for a new bar, take your
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: pick Mason, Win, Brennan, Donovan, and there is virtually it's.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Impossible to play all of those players at the same time.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And here's where.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Things got will get a little dicey. We talked about
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: von Herrera earlier in the show. The plan was for
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Herrara to be the starting catcher every day. Pedro Pa
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: has to be the backup. Pozel was never part of the.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Plan, okay.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And then Nolan Gorman, you're starting DH, put Donovan at
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: second Lars new Bar, and left, mix in opportunities for
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Burlison in the corners or as the DH, leave.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Walker and right. That was the formula.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect, but it was. You know what, this
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is how we can guarantee the most in bats. Gorman
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and Burlson are going to see a little bit reducted,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but overall we feel pretty.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Good about it. And then what happened.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Pedro Pa has emerged as the far far superior defensive catcher,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: so he needs to play every day. But there's no
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: way the Cardinals are taking Herrera's bat out.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Of the lineup. So now you have a log jam.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: And no matter what lineup, Ollie Marmal rolls out because
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: he's rolled out three different ones in three games, someone
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that should be playing is on the bench and there's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: no way he can get around it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Bernie, who are the players that have to be playing
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: for you every single day?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Well, Pae should be the catcher, you know, not every
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: single day, but you know, but he should be. Contrall
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: should be the first basement for sure, Burl Lissen taking
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: some turns there when Contra scenes a day off or
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: he dhs Donovan should be the second baseman when Aaron
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Otto speaking theself, you got to stick with Nuke barn left.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: You ride with Scott for a while. You know, you
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: just got to have faith in him. He's a smart guy.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna adjust and start to hit a
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: little better. Looks like he is and Walker, listen, he
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: is like mister Runway, you got to stick with him too.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: So Alec Burlison has secured his spot in the lineup,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: like he's moved ahead of Gorman in terms of the
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: left handed hitter pecting order. The only thing that Frus
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: strats me a little bit about the Gorman situation. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you and I were in in in the we still
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: are in the play Gorman camp, and we do realize
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: like you said, as Kevin Wheeler, my colleague came, Oh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, Ali's got this Rubik's cube every
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: day and he's trying to figure it out, and it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: just that you never can really get it to line up.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: The only thing like what bothered me for I give
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you an example. You know, Ali and everybody's teaching, preaching
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: patients about Nolan Gorman. It's like, listen, for this guy
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: to be a good major league hitter, he just had
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to tear it all down and start from scratch. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: he has to improve his plate approach, his plate discipline,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna he's not going to be swinging his
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: hard because you know, he can't be just gripping it
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and ripping it. So he's going to be a little
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: more not tentative, but he but he's going to be
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: a little more deliberate because he has to get a
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: sense of what a picture's trying to do. He's got
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to think more and rip less. Well, he didn't get
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the results, but the lessons. He absorbed the lessons and
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: his plate discipline improved, improved. And I know we said
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a couple three weeks I said, like, listen, the results
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: probably are going to start to come now. And the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: results have been coming now. He went through since made
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the twenty six up, you know, to the start of
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the Chicago series, among players had like forty forty five
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: played appears, Nolan Gorman was leading them in batting average,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: on base percentage, slugging ops and walk rate. Okay, small sample,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: but still sign of progress. He's awesome. In the Milwaukee series.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: He even hits a three run homer off a lefty
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: and he laid down that bunt single that that should
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: have really, you know, won the game for them or
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: set it up. What was he doing sitting on the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: bench the first game of the White Sox series when
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: they start a right handed pitcher. Why in the world
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: would he be on the bench in that situation.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Like I would have loved to ask Allie because I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: have because.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: He's he was the guy has done everything they wanted
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: him to do, and they told him, you have to
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: do this. Brtt you got you gotta, but you gotta
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: move in with Brent Brown. You gotta build throw all
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: throw throw all this away, and build it back up again.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: And then he's starting to do it and the dudes
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: like hitting bombs off left hand, left handed pitcher and
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: a big spot right and he's not in the lineup
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: against her right handed starter like the first game in Chicago.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I know, listen, I know Oli
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: is in a really tough spot. I get it, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I talked to him about these type of decisions every
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Tuesday on KMOX. But that was an example of just
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: me saying, you know, no, no, that's just not right.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah he should have been I agree, And then you
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: get to the the butt question, But who are you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: sitting Because if you're gonna play Gorman and Donovan, aren't
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you sitting Burtleson and Burlison deserves to play just as much?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: And then are you gonna sit Walker mister call him
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that great nickname. I mean, if you want to play
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: your best beats. Sure, but that's how many lefties in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the lineup then five? Okay, how easy it is to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: game plan against as an opposing manager. Plus, if this
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: is a runway season walker priority number one and you're
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: not taking new Bar out, and you shouldn't take Victor
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Scott out, they have to adjust and go through the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: trials and tribulations as well.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: There is no perfect lineup for the say Lois Cardinals
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: No matter who's then, you can make the argument that
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: they need to be there, and whoever's on the bench,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you can make the argument they should be starting.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I do I think. I think at one point in
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: one of these runway players like Gorman, you know, they
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: gave him a lot to do, a lot to do
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: to sort of get his head back and just become
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: a new type of hitter, and he had some real
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: momentum going. And I don't I don't care who has
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: to sit. You don't interrupt his momentum by sitting them
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: on a bench. Ya, You're so right, you know, you
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: pull the plug on that sortyway. Now, Am I overreacting
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: to one decision? Yes? I am, But I was just
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like really really excited by what Nolan Gorman was doing.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I think he had a double
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: in this game the second game today. So anyway, no, no,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I get that, and I feel bad for Ali because
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: he didn't create this roster. He didn't construct it. Oli
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: dropped a hint on kmo X with us on Tuesday
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: when I was we were asking about Barreros JC, I
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: proposed a scenario to him to where he actually could
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: find some playing time for playing time for the JAC
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: two or three starts a week, two starts plus off
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the bench, and he actually agreed with that. He said, yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: there's a way to do. It would mean more rest
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: for win, more making sure Donovan isn't running to the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: ground Ronado, maybe getting more breathers, and he said, yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: he could help us during the week in a number
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of ways. Yeah. But he made a point of saying,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: he said, but that's a front office thing, like they
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: make the roster decisions, and I don't I got to
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: talk to him because I don't want to take that
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the wrong way that he was just sort of pointing
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: a finger, But I could I have the feeling that
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: he would like to have Jace up here. And that
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: was a comical moment. Actually Tuesday when we asked him
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: about Barrero and I'm pointed out that he doesn't play,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and Oli said, well, okay, I get it. To Jayce,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he said, but he would he would be replacing a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: guy who doesn't play. Right, So what.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We're like, who's not playing?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And I know what he man, I know what he went.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: What he meant said, Jaycey's got to play if he's
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: up here. But fans were like, wait a minute, he
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: just said, you can't bring you can't bring Jayce up
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: here to replace a guy who's not playing. And the
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: fans were going nuts in the comments, They're like, if
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: he's not playing, Like, well, why is he here?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Let's use some critical thinking skills here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And I understand what Oli meant. It just came out wrong.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I know what he meant, because you can't have Sa
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Jayce up here sitting on the bench all the time.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I like, you can't.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: No bo can sit on the bench. That's why he's
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixth man, right every season? Every season, I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: know there is an obsession about the twenty sixth man
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and why he is never used and why it's a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: waste of space no matter.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Who it is.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: And I just want to say.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That is the point of the twenty sixth man, to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have death to fill in a role when needed.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: That is the point, Jose Berras.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Jose Berra's role is to cover for Mason win when
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: needed in a doubleheader like today, and pinch run if
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: they need him to. Good teams have that as their
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth man. Now sometimes they have a little bit
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: better option than the Cardinals have had for the twenty
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: six mans from an overall skills standpoint. But that's the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: whole point of the twenty six man and Thomas and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: jac is not going to be here to be a
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: twenty six man.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's a disservice to everybody.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I get it from fl Like you said, critical thinking,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: But how he said it was hilarious, though I did laugh.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: It was funny. That was the thing. I wasn't upset,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I wasn't like ticked off about it. I
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: was just kind of like, I can't believe he said that,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: because you know, the fans were just going nuts and
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: he just kind of walked right into that one. But
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I get it. I don't want s JC coming up
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: here and sitting around. But then again, I think the
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Jac could probably be used a couple times a week
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: and come off the bench during games. I do wonder, Katie,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to drag this out, and I apologize,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: but I do wonder. You know, I can't sit here
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: and draw up a grid with the schedule. He's the manager.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: But I do think Arnatto should get a little more
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: time off. I know Wind should absolutely and don have
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: been you know, with the toe, and you don't you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I admire him a great deal, but you know, if
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: something's bothering him, you got to get it taken care of.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: You don't run that guy into the ground. See. I
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: think Ali's got to be careful about that. And see
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: that's where a j C in theory would fit in
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and he would have a role. But I don't know
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: that Ali's going to back off playing these guys basically
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: every day.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure it feels like he can.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: One.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Good luck getting Ronauda to agree to a day off exactly.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that two who is who's on the bench is
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: going to help you? Okay, you take Mason Whin, give
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: him a day and you start brunding Donovan. Okay, that's fine,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Like it's not your best option at shortstop, but it's
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: major lely serviceable, and you feel okay there.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: You take Donovan out of the.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Game and you play Gorman at second sure for a day,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: because the defensive difference is dramatic between Donovan and Gorman
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: at second base. So he's balancing all he is runway
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: versus results and putting his best line up out there,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but also try not to bring these guys into the ground.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's just so so comfortable because
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: by this section there is no one easy answer that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: everyone won't agree to.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: And we go back to the beginning because we should
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: never forget the number one factor in all this. They
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: tried to trade Aronado. They thought they had to trade.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: They were confident they could trade him. They couldn't. He
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: came back, see if he And by the way, this
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: isn't me saying boo to Aronado. I love watching this
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: guy play like today, watching this doubleheader. He's making plays
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: left and right. I mean, he's his defense is so
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: entertaining and and and he's actually been hitting pretty well lately.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: But when they couldn't trade Aronado, it clogged everything up
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: because if Ironado had been traded, Gorman would be playing
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: a lot more so JC would be up here. We
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: could take it right on down the line with some
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: of these other some of these other players, but with
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: him still at third, it just sort of, like I said,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: it kind of clogged clogs up the drain, right, you
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: don't have that flow. So what are you going to do? Though?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: And you know, gosh, I'm so tired of reading stories
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: not written locally. That's just you know, everyone's got Aronaudo.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Oh here's a trade. Oh, here's what, and they always
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: leave out little things like, oh oh yeah, he's got
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: a no trade clause. Oh oh yeah, he's owed about
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: fifty five million, fifty million if you'd subtract the Rockies money.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe the other team doesn't want to pick up off
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: fifty million of that, maybe because they say we'll take
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: his defense, but not a fifty million. But everybody, I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: just so tired of our profession. Sometimes here I'm being
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: the grumpy old man. That's okay, where it's kind of like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: you know what, just stop writing stuff about where you're
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: matchmaking Aaronato with like five teams.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: You think it's nothing from this offseason. It's not that
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: easy exactly.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: It's just And what bothers me about it is that
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: there are fans who read this stuff and they think, oh, yeah, see,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: they could trade him to Philadelphia. See, they could trade
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: him to the Dodgers. See, like it's easy. It's actually
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: incredibly complex and it ain't going to happen. You think
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Bill DeWitt wants to pay off half of what they
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: own to make a deal like that. I don't.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: The whole reason they wanted to trade him was to
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: offload the salary, as.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: We know, and he's a beloved cardinal. Now he really
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: is the too. And oh that's the other thing. If
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: you're still in contention, you think John Mozilac is going
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: to cut this team's hard up by trading Nolan Aernano. No, Katy,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: you could you become the sports media zar and just
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: put an end to all this stuff?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Uh No?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Because no, I guess I have tried, but no one
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: cares because it's much easier to write about hypotheticals and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: speculation because the truth is boring.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So but I'm sorry about my rant.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: So that's okay, I mean you have to do.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I need we needed the rant because our beloved listeners
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: haven't had one in a couple of weeks, so we'll
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: be better about that.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: We got them, wed them a long episode too, so
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: that I.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Know that's my fault.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: No, I liked it because it was fine. It was
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: our l to talk about. We'll up with one more.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: We'll bring this one back, Okay, play the kids for
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Michael McGreevey.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: A big showdown Over the next week in the Nlcentral
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: at Bush Stadium.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Burnett will be back to recap Cardinals Reds. Disclaimer.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I'm only going to be there for Friday's game, but
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I will be watching from home Saturday and Sunday.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I got some weird scheduling going on this week, so
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: hopefully we are recapping another series win. Good for Oh
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Michael Graves out of this game, Riley.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, five innings, three hits, one solo homer, one run,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: one walk, five strikeouts.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: What was the pitch count?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Hold on one second? Seventy five?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: All right, just give him fresh, but that's possible.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Get him out of here. You got to get him
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: out of here, Bertie.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: We have. We have finished up another episode of Cardinal Terror.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: As always, this was super fun and we'll get back
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to you guys all on Sunday and yeah, talk soon
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks Bertie, take care,