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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 2) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Virginia Roberts deposition in
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  regards to Alan Dershowitz. Question you also referred to prominent
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  American politicians? What prominent American politician other than the ones
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  we've already named? Were you sexually trafficked to? Answer the
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  ones I just told you about redacted and redacted? Question?
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  How many times were you trafficked to redacted? Answer? I
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  don't know? Over two times? Question how old were you? Approximately?
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  Answer seventeen to eighteen? Question are you sure you were
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  under age during one of those incidents? Answer? I can't
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  be one hundred percent sure of anything. It's not like
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  I recorded the dates. I'm just giving you an approximation.
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  Question how many times were you sexually trafficked to redacted?
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  Answer twice that I can recall. Question were you under
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  age during either of those? Answer? I believe so? Question
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  both times? Answer I can't be one hundred percent sure.
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  Question were you sexually trafficked to the redacted? Were you
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  under age? Answer? Not by redacted? Standards? Question you weren't
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  in redacted? Were you you were in the South of France. McCauley,
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  which redacted you need to clarify? Answer redacted? Sorry, I
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  believe I would have been seventeen. I don't know what
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  their age. McCauley. You don't have to know. You don't
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  have to know anything legal. Just answer the questions the
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  best you can. Miss Borgia, question, so how old were
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  you when you were sexually trafficked to mister Dubin? Answer?
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  I don't know. Question what is your best guess? Answer?
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  I'm not going to speculate. Question how many times did
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  you have sex with mister Dubin? Answer once? Question how
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  many times did you have sex with redacted? Answer multiple?
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  Question what's the approximate range of number more than three?
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  Answer more than three? In more than five answer possibly
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  question more than ten? Answer no. Question did redacted ask
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  you to wear any particular clothing during your sexual trafficking? McCauley. Again,
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  I'm going to object to this line of questioning to
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  the extent that you revealed something to me in work
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  product circumstance or attorney client privilege. I don't want you
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  revealing that this case is about the defamation between Paul
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  Cassel and Brad Edwards and mister Dershowitz. It's not about
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  the individuals other than mister Dershowitz. Who's the individual here
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  who the judge said. We're here to talk about the
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  issues in this case, not the litany of other individuals.
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  Miss Borgia, Council, we have limited time, Special Master, Hang
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  on one second. I'm going to deny the objection. You
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  can answer the question. I'm going to give you some
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  latitude on this, but Council, please understand it's some latitude
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  so you can answer the question. Miss Borgia and Special Magistrate.
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  I would also ask for an instruction. We have limited
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  time here and speaking objections are inappropriate and unnecessary for
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  your ruling. McCauley, I'm allowed to make a record, Special Master, Council,
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  she needs to make a record. However, the four hours,
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  in my mind is not a hard and fast four
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  hours based upon how we proceed in the deposition, so
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  I'll take that into consideration as we approach the four hours. Answer. Yes,
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  I wore lingerie for him. Question at his request. Answer.
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  It wasn't his request. It was Glaine who set it
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  up for me. Question and did she specify baby doll
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  lingerie to be worn? Answer? All different types of lingerie?
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  Question was it specifically Victoria's Secret Lingerie? Answer? I didn't
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  write the brand. Question have you alleged that you were
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  required to wear Victoria's Secret lingerie? Four? Redacted answer? No,
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  McAuley allegened, and what context? Borgia question she's already answered
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  now other than the people you've already named for me today,
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  Were you sexually trafficked to anyone else during your period
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  between ninety nine and two thousand and two? Answer yes,
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  question who else? McAuley, To the extent you can recall
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  special master counsel, let her think it through. Answer Alan
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  Dershowitz redacted. The obvious people that I've already stated redacted
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  Jeffrey Epstein obviously, Glaine. You know there's people that I
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  just honestly can't think of everybody right now. I do
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  feel like I'm under a lot of pressure to answer
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  the questions, and I'm doing the best that I can, honestly. Question,
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  were you sexually trafficked to redacted? Answer yes? Question Were
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  you sexually trafficked to a man? Last name redacted? Answer who?
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  Question redacted? If the name doesn't ring a bell, just
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  tell me answer no. Question How many times were you
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  sexually trafficked to redacted? Answer once? Question how old were you? Answer?
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  I don't know. Question you're sure it was one time?
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  Correct answer, I'm not sure of anything. There was a
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  lot of people that Jeffrey sent me to, and it
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  was a long time ago. I can't be at that
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  correct on that question who is redacted? Answer he's an
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  older gentleman. Question do you know what he does for
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  a living? Answer? I think he's a adacted, But I
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  don't want to one hundred percent say question who is redacted? Answer?
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  I think he's a adacted. Question do you know where?
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  Answer possibly redacted? I think, or maybe you know. I'm
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  not too sure. I'm just speculating. Question where did you
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  meet redacted? Answer redacted at the islands? Question and when
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  you say the island, what do you mean Jeffrey Epstein's estate?
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  Answer yeah? Question and where did you meet redacted? Answer?
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  Was that the island? As well? Question did you ever
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  meet him anywhere else? Answer yes? Question did you have
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  sex with them in other locations? Answer no? Question did
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  you ever fly on a plane with them? Answer no?
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  Question did you ever have sex is redacted? Answer no,
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  not that I know of the name, does not ring
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  a bell. You have done understand that there were a
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  lot of gentlemen that I was lent out to by
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  Jeffrey Epstein, So it's very hard for me to remember
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  all their names and who they were and what they did. Ms. Roberts.
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  When you refer to or adacted, did you mean redacted? Answer?
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  No question? Have you ever met a redacted? Answer? Possibly?
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  Question do you know one way or the other? Answered?
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  Do I know? Question you said? Possibly? Answer I was
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  introduced to lots of political scientific academic so there's a
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  possibility I could have met him. Question did you ever
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  have sex with redacted? Answer? No question? Were you sexually
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  trafficked to redacted? Answer not that I know of. Question.
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  I'm handing you a document that's been marked as VR
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  exhibit to which is Plaintiff Virginia I apologize disclosure pursuing
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  the Federal Rule of Civil Procedure Number twenty six. This
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  is a document that was entered in your lawsuit against
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  Glenne Maxwell in the Southern District of New York. Have
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  you ever seen this document before? Answer? No question. If
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  you look, take a look. There's a list of witnesses
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  starting at page one and continues on answer yes, question
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  on wondering whether this list might help you. Can you
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  look at the names on this list and tell me
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  who from these names you were sexually trafficked to? Answer redacted.
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  I wasn't trafficked to her. She was just part of
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  some of the trafficking. Question Hold on what part did
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  she have in the trafficking? Answer she was involved in
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  some of the orgies. Question so she was a sexual
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  participant in the orgies? Answer yeah, Question that you were
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  a participant in as well? Answer yes. Question were these
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  the orgies that redacted was involved in with any of
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  the individuals that you have named so far today? Answer
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  not that I can remember right now. Question do you
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  remember what gentlemen you were involved in the orgies? With?
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  Answer as far as I can rec Jeffrey Epstein question okay,
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  answer redacted? Redacted does ring a bell? But I don't
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  want to one hundred percent say that question ring a bell?
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  In what terms? Answer the name rings a bell? I
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  mean you have to understand there was a lot, a lot,
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  a lot of girls around to remember all of their names.
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  Question my question is, was redacted or participant in sexual
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  activity with you? Answer? I don't know, and I'm not
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  going to speculate. Question, I'm not asking you to speculate.
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  I'm asking you, under oath today, was she a participant
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  as far as you can recall today in sexual activity?
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  McAuley objection asked an answered Borgia question with you answer,
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  I'm telling you under oath that I'm not sure about
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  redacted being in sexual orgies with me. But the name
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  does ring a bell? Question and Redacted answer, Yeah, she
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  was involved, but I'm not going to speak about her.
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  She has the right to her own privacy. She's been hurt,
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  she's a victim, so I'm not going there. Question, did
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  she participate in any of the sexual activity with others
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  that you've named today? Answer yes, question with whom answer
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  I'm not answering that. McAuley. We're going to object to
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  the extent that you're concerned about the safety of one
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  of these individuals. We're not going to testify. We can
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  go to the judge and we can come back if
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  he says you have to testimony regarding that. But she
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  gets cut off by Borgia. We already have the names
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  of the gentleman special Master. Hang on one second, for
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  purposes of the record, have you major record? McAuley, Well,
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  let's make a record. So redacted was underage at the
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  time this occurred, so she herself is a victim, so
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  to the extent that you know, if you want to
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  bring her counsel in and have them present during something
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  like this, that's fine. But this witness, who is a
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  non party to this litigation, who's a victim herself, doesn't
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  have to speak about other underage victims. Special Master Counsel, Borgia, Well,
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  I'm entitled to know the names of witnesses who can
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  either verify or discredit the allegations. McAuley. She's given you
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  the name, Special Master counsel. Let her make her record, Borgia.
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  As to specific individuals, I do not want to bring
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  up her name with individuals with whom she's not alleged
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  to have sexual activity. That would be unfair to this witness.
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  But what would be fair to my client, who is
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  being sued in the case is to be able to
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  check the allegations with a neutral third party. And if
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  this is a witness, McCauley cuts her off, why don't
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  you ask her if that's somebody who's involved with your client,
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  which is what we're here on today. Alan Dershowitz, not
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  all these other individuals. Special Master, Okay, all right, have
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  you made the record, Borgia, Yes, Master, I'm going to
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  overrule the objection. I understand that you're going to instruct
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  the witness not to answer, right, Master, So that will
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  have to be dealt with in front of Judge Lynch
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  for a subsequent time, because I do not think it's
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  incumbent upon especially on this question. It's incumbent upon you
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  to lay the predicate as to why you're instructing the
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  witness to answer McAuley, and I believe I have special Master,
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  I understand we're not here to do that, so I'm
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  going to for purposes of the record, I'm going to
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  overrule your objection and now make your instruction so we
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  have a clean record to deal with McCauley, sure with
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  respect or addacted. Because she was an underage victim at
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  the time, I'm instructing you not to answer questions with
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  respect to her other than identifying her as being one
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  of the victims involved, Borgia, question, are you going to
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  follow your council's instruction? Answer absolutely? Question, and you understand
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  that we're going to reserve the right to bring you
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  back for another deposition in the event that the judge
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  overrules your counsel's objections, do you still want to keep
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  abiding by those answer? Go for it question, I'm sorry,
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  Special Master. Yes, yes, answer, no problem. All right. We're
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  going to wrap up right here, and then the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off. All of the information that goes
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