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55KRC Thursday Show - Warren Davidson, Dan Hils, Destry Edwards, Jay Ratliff · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: The talk station five o five at fifty five krc
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Speaker 1: DE talk Station, Happy Friday, evellation.
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Speaker 2: Winter is coming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it is twenty nine degrees. It didn't
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Speaker 1: feel like twenty nine when I got out of the house.
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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I walked around the driveway to make
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Speaker 1: sure the uh, well, it wasn't slippery and icy. Kind
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Speaker 1: to make a decision on which car is going to
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Speaker 1: drive today. So uh, anyway, I took a chance and
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Speaker 1: drove my car and didn't have any problems at all. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, mind the roads at your own risk. You
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Speaker 1: understand that overpasses might be icy. Uh maybe a little
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Speaker 1: ice out there on the roads. That's just something you
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Speaker 1: gotta well plan for, take care of, keep your eyes peeled,
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Speaker 1: and don't be an idiot. Don't be that guy. Anyhow.
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Speaker 1: What's coming up with the fifty five caresee Morning Show
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Speaker 1: today seven o five the return of Congressman Warren Davidson.
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Speaker 1: I really enjoy having Congressman Davidson on the program. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad he's willing to do so. Got to make it
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Speaker 1: a regular segment out of this weekly and today we'll
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Speaker 1: talk healthcare. A couple of different proposals floating around out there.
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Speaker 1: They promised to vote, remember to open the government back up.
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Speaker 1: The Republicans said, yeah, we'll vote on whatever you put forward.
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Speaker 1: In terms of extending the healthcare subsidies or not. Republicans
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Speaker 1: have a proposal that they've put forward the Democrats. Democrats
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Speaker 1: is a pretty lean proposal. It's just keep the subsidies
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Speaker 1: in place three years, three years, not two, not five,
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Speaker 1: not permanent. Three so which suggests to me that three
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Speaker 1: years if their proposal passes, and neither proposals is expected
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Speaker 1: to pass, neither of them has sixty votes for the Senate,
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Speaker 1: So this is a wasted exercise. I think we could
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Speaker 1: have predicted and read our own tea leaves after the
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Speaker 1: reopening of the government that well, it's not going to
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Speaker 1: go anywhere. There's not an agreement among Republics Democrats in
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Speaker 1: which direction to go. So okay, But I just kind
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Speaker 1: of laughed the whole idea three year extension of the
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Speaker 1: subsidies as if it's going to make the problem go away.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, and the Democrats aren't putting anything in there.
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Speaker 1: In terms of the fraud, waste, and abuse that's been
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Speaker 1: identified left and right, literally billions of dollars in fraud, waste,
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Speaker 1: and abuse. Republicans proposal at least has some measures in
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Speaker 1: they're designed to prevent those who are not eligible for
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Speaker 1: the subsidies from not getting the subsidies that they're not
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Speaker 1: eligible for. Interesting. Wow, they're looking out for fraud. There's
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Speaker 1: an interesting thought. Keep going back to my ongoing and
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Speaker 1: recurring theme of late why not start with that? Damn it?
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Speaker 1: You know, you start talking about a proposal, let's start
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Speaker 1: with preventing fraud wasteed abuse number one. There will be
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Speaker 1: no fraud wasted abuse. And here's how we're going to
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Speaker 1: prevent it. We are going to double down on our
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Speaker 1: efforts to follow up after the subsidies or whatever money's
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Speaker 1: flowing out to the masses, We're going to make sure
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Speaker 1: it's not flowing out to I don't know, people who
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Speaker 1: aren't eligible for it. There's an interesting thought. Anyhow, at
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Speaker 1: least the Republican's proposal has some of that. We might
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Speaker 1: dive into the We will dive into the details of
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Speaker 1: that with Congressman Davidson. Topic number one plus bombing smugglers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we talked about that yesterday, of course, with Judge Jennen
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Speaker 1: of Politano and Congressman Thomas Massey. Now we're boarding Venezuela
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Speaker 1: and boats. I just interesting thought exercise. Yes, the oil's sanctioned,
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Speaker 1: so Venezuela's oil. We decree that there are sanctions on
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Speaker 1: Venezuela and oil. Multitude of reasons for that, sanctions one
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Speaker 1: of the most off used mechanisms for foreign policy in
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Speaker 1: our arsenal. So the oil sanction. They put the oil
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Speaker 1: into a boat. Boat floats and we take over the boat.
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Speaker 1: A lot of questions swirling about what's going to be
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Speaker 1: done with the contents of the both the oil. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, just isn't that really just kind of like
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Speaker 1: a warlike operation as well? We can seize vessels. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just maybe it's just me and my
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Speaker 1: brain not firing on all cylinders this morning, But I
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently the Russians are violating sanctions and
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Speaker 1: other countries a violating the sanctions on oil. What does
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Speaker 1: it mean to be sanctioned? And does a violation of
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Speaker 1: the United States sanction give the United States military the
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Speaker 1: right to board and seize any vessel that they believe
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Speaker 1: to be violating the sanctions anyway? You know, Venezuela's a
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Speaker 1: sovereign country, I think, and if our trading partners, that's
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Speaker 1: not everybody in the world, right because you know, countries
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Speaker 1: like India and China and Turkey are buying sanctioned oil
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Speaker 1: Russia sanctioned oil. Soys the European Union too. This is
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Speaker 1: very complicated. You know, we need they at the EU
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Speaker 1: keeping its lights on by buying Russian gas while screaming
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Speaker 1: and yelling and pulling their hair out over Russian war activity.
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Speaker 1: You know, the situation has devolved into absolute insanity. So
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Speaker 1: if you can help me figure out how all this works,
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you. I love to
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Speaker 1: hear from you about anything. Five one three, seven, four,
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Speaker 1: nine fifty five, eight hundred and eight two three taco
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Speaker 1: a tound five fifty on at and t phones. Former
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Speaker 1: FOP president Dan Hills. He's out, he's alive, he's well.
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Speaker 1: He's going to respond to the city council. What is
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Speaker 1: my notes suggests rubber stamping the eight point one million
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Speaker 1: dollars settlement, And yes they did. That will be in
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Speaker 1: connection with the protests and the riots. And I really
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Speaker 1: do believe this is a settlement of civil rights violations. Now,
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Speaker 1: remember when the city recently, in the aftermath of the
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Speaker 1: late July beat down and other related to activities, put
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Speaker 1: in a place of curfew. Certain areas of the city
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Speaker 1: would be subject to a curfew would apply to minors
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Speaker 1: congregating within certain hours. But what was in that plan
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Speaker 1: an exception for constitutionally protected activities, and I do believe
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Speaker 1: that's what this is all about. So the eight point
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Speaker 1: one million dollars settlement Hamilton County. Thank you Alisia Reis
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Speaker 1: for appearing on the fifty five CASCENME morning show yesterday
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Speaker 1: to talk about other issues. I appreciate her willingness to
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Speaker 1: do that. She seems to be one of the only,
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Speaker 1: if not only, saying Commissioner, but county only has to
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Speaker 1: pay sixty five thousand dollars the city is stuck with
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Speaker 1: the rest. Why well, the City of Cincinnati's police department
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Speaker 1: arrested the people for the curfew violations the county. All
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Speaker 1: they did was hold them, which is typically the case.
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Speaker 1: They're in Cincinnati police custody handed over to the Sheriff's department,
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Speaker 1: which is who owns who operates the jail, right the sheriff.
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Speaker 1: So I understand why the County isn't liable. If Charmee
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Speaker 1: McGuffey and the deputies went out and rounded all these
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Speaker 1: people up and arrested them, then maybe the Sheriff's department
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Speaker 1: might be responsible. But it is and was pursuant to
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Speaker 1: John Cranley's ten pm curfew again for specific neighborhoods. So
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Speaker 1: the May twenty ninth, twenty twenty daytime protests well resulted
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Speaker 1: in a bunch of people running around vandalizing downtown businesses.
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Speaker 1: So the following day, that's when Cranley announces ten pm
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Speaker 1: curfew for specific neighborhoods. Following that, hundreds of people were
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Speaker 1: arrested for what curfew violations? Now, you got to take
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Speaker 1: the reporting for what it is. Let's assume they're accurate.
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Speaker 1: These weren't people vandalizing, They were actually arrested for curfew violations. Well,
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Speaker 1: is your First Amendment right to free assembly and speech
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Speaker 1: limited to certain hours of the day. No, That's why
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Speaker 1: the most recently enacted curfews after the July beatdowns and
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Speaker 1: other criminal activity contained specifically an exception for constitutionally protected gatherings.
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Speaker 1: And I think maybe the law that was filed by
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Speaker 1: eleven people that ultimately resulted in this eight point one
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Speaker 1: million dollar settlement. Might have been the impetus for them
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Speaker 1: including an exception for constitutionally protected gatherings. Right, So I
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Speaker 1: understand perhaps on some level, why they settled this lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: You violate civil rights, you are well, you can file
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit. So I think that's the explanation behind that.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from Dan Hills on that topic,
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Speaker 1: because I remember talking Dan back and forth after the
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Speaker 1: whole COVID nineteen birth thing broke out, and I early
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Speaker 1: on said, listen, you can't. People are entitled to go
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Speaker 1: outside and scream and yell and protest the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're in lockdown. Oh my god, we're
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Speaker 1: all gonna die. Oh my god, it's a social gathering. Yep,
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Speaker 1: there's no constitutional prohibition for a social gathering. Look at
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Speaker 1: your first Amendment. It wasn't a declaration of martial law.
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Speaker 1: It was our idiots and elected officials who said you
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Speaker 1: can't stand within six feet or ten feet or some
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Speaker 1: other random arbitrary number that meant nothing scientifically. When you're
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Speaker 1: in a crowd, move away from each other. Remember those days.
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Speaker 1: Your business can't be open you're shut down and since
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Speaker 1: people are considering voting for Amy Acton for governor. Here
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, you can't drink after ten
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Speaker 1: pm at a bar, but you can stay at the bar.
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Speaker 1: Crazy days we lived through. But I remember going back
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Speaker 1: and forth with Dan about that real early on. He
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Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe these people are gathered together.
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Speaker 1: And he came around very quickly after that because I advocated, no,
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Speaker 1: they have a right to do that, even with COVID raging. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so we'll see what he says about the one point
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Speaker 1: eight million dollars settlement. That'll be a seven thirty follow
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Speaker 1: by Destry Edwards filmmaker Destriy Edwards Competitive Enterprise Institute Award
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Speaker 1: winning documentary Dear Mister President, The Letters of Julia sand
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Speaker 1: You know what that means? I don't either. We'll hear
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Speaker 1: from Destri on that at eight oh five, follow by
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Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe joins the programm at E three with a
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Speaker 1: multitude of topics. Brand new laws in the state of
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Speaker 1: A Happy Friday Eve to you. Five on three seven
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Speaker 1: Let us go to the phone. Looks like Jay is
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Speaker 1: on the line. Jay, welcome back, my friend, and Happy
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Speaker 1: Friday Eve to you.
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Speaker 3: Happy Friday Eve. Brian.
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Speaker 4: I read an article on Breitbart, where Secretary Rawlins was
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Speaker 4: commenting on the eleven billion dollar bailout that the Trump
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Speaker 4: administration gave to American farmers. Yeah, and I don't know
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Speaker 4: if you've read it or not, but I read it
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Speaker 4: and it was pretty bad. It was I swear to
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Speaker 4: you that it sounds like she went to the Kamala
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Speaker 4: Harris School of Communications.
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Speaker 3: It a want a bailout?
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Speaker 1: Because go ahead, No, Just generally speaking, I have observed,
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Speaker 1: at least my perception of my reading of various articles,
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Speaker 1: is that the journalistic journalism is in a state of
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Speaker 1: massive decline. Generally speaking, I've read some really really awful reporting.
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Speaker 1: So it structured of a sentence structure, he botched and incorrect,
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Speaker 1: improper verbiage, and I think it's artificial intelligence generated stuff.
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Speaker 1: I can't quite tell. But just I was laughing because
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Speaker 1: even this morning I read a couple of articles like,
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Speaker 1: I don't really even understand what they're trying to say
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Speaker 1: in this article. It made so little sense. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I know this wasn't your point check.
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Speaker 4: No, well, I hope that's the case. But you know
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Speaker 4: it's bright barred, which better than most. And they have
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Speaker 4: quotes around the words like this is what she said
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Speaker 4: during an interview. So it's not a bailout because we
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Speaker 4: have five trillion dollars of tariff money coming in and
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking we have five We've cashed five trillion dollars
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Speaker 4: worth of checks. I try to stay up with everything.
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Speaker 4: Brian has a national debt gone from forty trillion to
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Speaker 4: thirty five trillion, and an honest way down that we
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Speaker 4: can broke checks. And when government strokes eleven million dollar
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Speaker 4: checks and decides what industry they want to send that to,
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Speaker 4: and it goes from taxpayers on one set of taxpayers
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Speaker 4: to another set of constituents, that's not a bailout. But
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Speaker 4: who's got trillion dollars there are? We are good times here. Now,
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Speaker 4: should we celebrate cutcakes?
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Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me like the fog of war.
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Speaker 1: It's impossible to keep track of how how much teriff
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Speaker 1: for revenue we're getting. I don't even understand, quite honestly, Jay,
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Speaker 1: It's like the peace of God passes all human understanding
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Speaker 1: how the tariffs are collected. But that sounds that the
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Speaker 1: function of handing money out, whether you think it's an
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Speaker 1: appropriate idea or not, isn't that a power of the
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Speaker 1: purse congressional kind of thing. How is it that appros
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Speaker 1: that can utilaterally decide what industry and what specific What
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Speaker 1: is a farmer anyway, who qualifies to get their hands
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Speaker 1: on the slice of the pie in this particular case?
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Speaker 1: Is it soybean farmers? Is it all of them? Are
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Speaker 1: we going to give corn producers more money than they
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Speaker 1: already get in terms of subsidies because they're growing I
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Speaker 1: don't know, fuel for our gasoline?
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Speaker 3: Eye's it was it was row crops. They made sure
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Speaker 3: the tip point out.
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Speaker 4: That's because for some reason that justifies that it's just
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Speaker 4: row crop farmers are getting this, not bail out. And
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Speaker 4: here's what really bothered me is that Trump said that
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Speaker 4: this will give the American farmers the certainty they deserve.
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Speaker 4: Now that phrasing is exactly what Sharon Brown said back
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. Yeah, because I think I called in
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Speaker 4: on your show and said, what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: Certainty that we deserve?
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Speaker 5: Brian?
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Speaker 3: Do you are you getting the certainty that you deserve?
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Speaker 2: Strucker?
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Speaker 3: Or how about Tom? I bet Tom's getting the certainty
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Speaker 3: he deserves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love my life as if I was always
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Speaker 1: you know, a moment away from being you know, discharged
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Speaker 1: or let go. I've been through reorganizations. I've seen people
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Speaker 1: around me and the jobs that I've held get let
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Speaker 1: go and fired. I was never promised any certainty whatsoever
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Speaker 1: other than if you work hard and do your best
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Speaker 1: and hopefully perform to your employer's expectations, that you will
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Speaker 1: get paid, and if you don't, you won't and you'll
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Speaker 1: get let go. The fear of being let go was
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Speaker 1: the only thing I had certain in my life, so
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Speaker 1: it forced me to try to do it as possible.
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Speaker 4: You're never gonna make it as a farmer, brother.
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Speaker 1: Massive respect, Jay, massive respect for the American farmer.
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Speaker 4: You too, Hey, I grew up on farms, but right
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Speaker 4: now I think what farming is. It's a great, big
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Speaker 4: magnet for money that's going to be pouring into farming,
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Speaker 4: because when you buy a farm, you're not buying in land,
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Speaker 4: you're buying subsidies.
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Speaker 1: Well, what we're saying, maybe Jay, you're thinking of farming
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Speaker 1: in the traditional small farmer perspective. You're not thinking of
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Speaker 1: farms as the corporate entities that they've become over the years.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're the days of my deceased God rest
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Speaker 1: his soul father in law. And it's fifty cows working
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Speaker 1: a small dairy farm in Avella, Pennsylvania. That's not the
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Speaker 1: farmer that's getting the subsidies that I from my understanding,
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Speaker 1: I don't care about roe crop or not. These are
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Speaker 1: massive lobbying, massive you know, conagracize corporate farms and maybe
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Speaker 1: that's how they get the level used to put some
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Speaker 1: money in their pocket through I don't know, a handout.
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Speaker 4: Well, my favorite example was Scotty Pippin, the great NBA
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Speaker 4: player from the Chicago Bulls, when he bought a farm.
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Speaker 4: So why did Scotty Pipping buy a farm keep that
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Speaker 4: NBA money in his pocket versus being you know, taxed
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Speaker 4: to death and that think then Scotty got some of
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Speaker 4: the certainty that he deserves to.
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Speaker 3: Keep some of that money around.
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Speaker 4: But anyways, it's this is why I am celebrating.
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Speaker 3: I hope this.
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Speaker 4: Government shuts down because it doesn't matter if we've got
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Speaker 4: Republicans in charge or Democrats in charge.
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Speaker 3: If the government's open.
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Speaker 4: They are spending money we don't have. And I will
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Speaker 4: keep my ears open to see when that five trillion
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Speaker 4: hits the books and we go you know, this thing
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Speaker 4: starts going from you know, thirty five trillion to forty
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Speaker 4: trillion on a way to fifty trillion. When it starts
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Speaker 4: to reverse, then I will maybe have some grace and understanding.
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Speaker 4: But in the meantime, we are running for a fiscal
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Speaker 4: cliff that our kids, grandkids, eight grandkids.
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Speaker 3: Are going to have.
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Speaker 4: This mess and a certain day they deserve, which is
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Speaker 4: the freedom that we've all enjoyed, continues to disappear as
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Speaker 4: this money gets spent like drunken sailors from the even
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Speaker 4: the Trump administration undeniable.
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Speaker 1: But now let me ask you this. If there is
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Speaker 1: massive quantities of money coming in, which is the suggestion,
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Speaker 1: don't you think that money should go to pay down
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Speaker 1: the deficit that we've dug ourselves into to reduce our
17:26
Speaker 1: debt way right? Why? Because we've all, all of us
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Speaker 1: have been living larger than we should have, because they've
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Speaker 1: been running the printing press and printing dollars that, you know,
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Speaker 1: because they can't they don't take enough revenue in to
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Speaker 1: cover whatever it is they want a fund. So we've
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Speaker 1: all been living too large. We have experienced the you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like running a credit card. Oh, I bought this
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Speaker 1: I bought that, ah, this is and we used it
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Speaker 1: and we enjoyed whatever it was. We bought off of it,
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Speaker 1: but we didn't pay for it. We're now paying debt
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Speaker 1: service on it. So for every generation prior that built
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Speaker 1: us this thirty seven trillion dollar hole enjoyed all of
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Speaker 1: it while you enjoyed it. Now it's time to say,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to give that money back to the
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Speaker 1: American people, which is really the politically, you know, the
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Speaker 1: politically appropriate thing to do if you want votes. Look,
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Speaker 1: Tariff's brought us money. Here, have some of it. But
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what about the credit card debt? Oh no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: don't worry about that. We're gonna continue this game we've
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Speaker 1: been playing. We're gonna offer you a subsidy. Really, that's
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Speaker 1: just merely buying votes. That's my perception. Anyway, Jay, I
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Speaker 1: appreciate your observations as always, have a wonderful day. Five
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Speaker 1: on three, seven, four nine, fifty five two to three talk
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Speaker 1: got local stories coming up or phone calls? Either way
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Speaker 1: we go. We'll go fifty five KRC the talk station,
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Speaker 1: five point thirty submarine or Mike Cribbage. Mike quit calling
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Speaker 1: them drunken sailor spending congress does not spend like a
18:48
Speaker 1: drunken sailor, says retired submariner aka sub mariner. Why because
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Speaker 1: when I was out of money, I couldn't spend anymore. Amen, Mike,
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Speaker 1: Well you didn't have a credit card. Gives you the
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Speaker 1: faux sense he actually have money, doesn't it? Continue right,
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Speaker 1: give the bar tender your credit card, open a tab,
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Speaker 1: continue to spend beyond the money that you've got to
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Speaker 1: pay the tab. Anyhow, apparently you can find out where
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Speaker 1: the drones in the city of Cincinnati have been flying.
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Speaker 1: We have a four point eight million dollars drone program.
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Speaker 1: You may have heard about that first Responders program. Now,
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Speaker 1: apparently it is a core part of the city's emergency
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Speaker 1: response since it launched in late July. Yes, the beatdowns
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Speaker 1: brought about a drone problem, our drone program problem, depending
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Speaker 1: on your perspective. So they're always recording, equipped with high
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Speaker 1: quality zoom and thermal cameras since a police officer remotely
19:49
Speaker 1: pilots the drone from the department's command center. According to
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Speaker 1: the Cincinni Inquiry, they reviewed more than four thousand flights
19:55
Speaker 1: so far found the drones who have helped officers apprehend suspect,
19:58
Speaker 1: been the first on the seen as shootings, and perform
20:02
Speaker 1: aerial patrols across neighborhoods. Most notably, they cite over the Ride,
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Speaker 1: also the West Side and Downtown. Apparently that's where most
20:13
Speaker 1: of the flights have been over the Rhyde, Downtown and
20:15
Speaker 1: West Side neighborhoods. I'll let you draw your own conclusions
20:18
Speaker 1: as to why those are the areas of concentration. They
20:22
Speaker 1: say there are a few restrictions on police drones when
20:24
Speaker 1: it comes to your privacy. The technology is new corner
20:27
Speaker 1: to Electronic Frontier Foundation senior researcher Beryl Lipton, quoted in
20:30
Speaker 1: the article by The Inquirer, a proposed bill in the
20:34
Speaker 1: Ohio State House would add requirements for police get a
20:38
Speaker 1: load of this to get warrants for some flights, like
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Speaker 1: when observing the inside of a home through a window.
20:47
Speaker 1: Someone wrote, wtf after that? Oh that was me. I
20:53
Speaker 1: wasn't even thinking of it a privacy because you generally
20:55
Speaker 1: don't have a right to privacy outdoors. But I'm going
20:59
Speaker 1: to be a little disturbed and I might consider a
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Speaker 1: civil rights violation if I see a drone staring at
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Speaker 1: me from outside of my house into my home. I
21:08
Speaker 1: don't know what the current state of the law is
21:10
Speaker 1: like that, but you know that Ohio bill in the
21:12
Speaker 1: State House, to the extend it prohibits that kind of activity,
21:14
Speaker 1: then I welcome it. Anyway, you don't get real time information.
21:19
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that they said, well, there's
21:21
Speaker 1: an app you can see where the drones are. Considering
21:23
Speaker 1: the most recent app that City of Cincinnati launch didn't work,
21:26
Speaker 1: that will be the snow tracking app. Joe, what are
21:28
Speaker 1: the odds that that's going to work tonight? Zero? Okay,
21:32
Speaker 1: that just quick. Let's see what Tom's got this morning. Tom,
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Speaker 1: now the other top. Yeah, that's the toime. Hold on,
21:38
Speaker 1: we got two Toms on the line for a change,
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Speaker 1: So hang on. So regular Tom, Welcome to the Morning Show,
21:44
Speaker 1: Regular Tom.
21:46
Speaker 6: So have I to answer Jay's question? Hopefully I don't
21:52
Speaker 6: get what I deserve. First of all, that's pet So
21:59
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people that know me, and you go, yeah, yep,
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Speaker 6: I understand that right. And as far as a certainty, yeah,
22:06
Speaker 6: just like you said, I gotta do what I got
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Speaker 6: to do to keep my job every day now, I mean,
22:11
Speaker 6: I'm doing doing this as long as I've been doing it,
22:14
Speaker 6: I have earned keyword, earned some leeway on some areas,
22:19
Speaker 6: and and shown that I have some capabilities and and
22:23
Speaker 6: all that. But this just didn't come because I deserve it.
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Speaker 1: No, you prove yourself. Let me guess you showed up
22:30
Speaker 1: on time. You learned the skill that you were hired
22:32
Speaker 1: for it. You you now know that skill better than
22:35
Speaker 1: a new guy that just walks in, so you have
22:37
Speaker 1: you do it more efficiently. You're You're more valuable because
22:40
Speaker 1: you can perform the task quicker. You're reliable, You've established
22:43
Speaker 1: that you can maintain. See all of these things, it's
22:46
Speaker 1: called merit, right, Tom.
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Speaker 6: Correct, Absolutely correct? Yes, so. And one of the things
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Speaker 6: you may not I may not have told you this.
22:53
Speaker 6: I don't know if Joe mentioned this to you. Where
22:55
Speaker 6: I am right now. I am up northwest of Indianapolis
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Speaker 6: listening on the I heard me yap, so I can
23:02
Speaker 6: I can catch your show, but I'm up here on
23:05
Speaker 6: the job. And then for the circumstances the reasons I'm
23:08
Speaker 6: up here, I agreed to do this to help out
23:11
Speaker 6: my company, and this further gives me more. Hey, this
23:16
Speaker 6: is like a man little seither in my cap or
23:18
Speaker 6: something like that, whatever you want to call it. But
23:19
Speaker 6: I'm doing this stuff to help my position in my job.
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Speaker 7: I don't think.
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Speaker 6: I don't think I deserve it. I don't think I
23:26
Speaker 6: just walk into it and I get it. Because here
23:28
Speaker 6: I am, I have to do stuff to prove that
23:30
Speaker 6: I've earned it merit, like you said. So, uh yeah,
23:34
Speaker 6: with that in mind, the main reason I wanted to
23:38
Speaker 6: talk about is for your health care thing. And kind
23:42
Speaker 6: of after talking about the farm thing, farm farming is
23:46
Speaker 6: seems like it's turning into what healthcare is turned into,
23:50
Speaker 6: and a bunch of government money get pumped into it.
23:53
Speaker 6: And I am pulling into a site right now, a
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Speaker 6: four point five billion dollar project up here northwest of Indianapolis,
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Speaker 6: and it's all about healthcare. It's uh, it's it's for
24:04
Speaker 6: a company that's gonna make pharmaceuticals. And a lot of
24:08
Speaker 6: money has been pumped into this project, and uh, I
24:11
Speaker 6: mean billions, and I mean this is this is extremely
24:15
Speaker 6: huge job and all that and and a lot of
24:17
Speaker 6: this stuff is coming out of our pockets. You know,
24:20
Speaker 6: health care. Health Care is not cheat. I'm not happy
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Speaker 6: about how expensive it is up here.
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Speaker 1: Do what make your point? We're out of time.
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Speaker 6: My point is, uh, we gotta we gotta be careful
24:32
Speaker 6: how much how much of our money we're letting these
24:35
Speaker 6: people take and uh, you know, people like what can
24:37
Speaker 6: we do about it? Yeah, you got to get more
24:40
Speaker 6: involved in in in the process of of how people
24:43
Speaker 6: take your money and your vote is is probably the
24:46
Speaker 6: easiest thing to go to. And you got to look
24:48
Speaker 6: at who's taking your money and who's voting what on
24:50
Speaker 6: how to get rid of your money and take it
24:51
Speaker 6: out of your pocket and give it to somebody else.
24:54
Speaker 6: Don't vote Democrat.
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Speaker 1: Have a great day, Brank, good luck on the job.
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Speaker 1: Don talk station five forty coming up a five forty
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Speaker 1: three seven hundred two three talk and a pair of
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Speaker 1: times this morning. Couldn't get the other time in the
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Speaker 1: last segment, So Tom, thanks for holding over the break there.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, Jarn Bryan.
25:17
Speaker 8: So during Thanksgiving, I was sitting there thinking about the
25:21
Speaker 8: things I'm thankful for. One Number one was Kamala Harris
25:24
Speaker 8: did not get into the office.
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Speaker 1: Amen.
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Speaker 8: And number two, Donald Trump did not pick Judge Napolitano
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Speaker 8: for the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: Never would have happened. Say what that never would have happened.
25:40
Speaker 1: He was he never had a chance.
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Speaker 8: Well that's good because I kind of think that he
25:45
Speaker 8: does not have much of a spine when it comes
25:48
Speaker 8: to taking care of drug dealers and blowing up boats.
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Speaker 1: It's not a question of it's not a question of spine.
25:54
Speaker 1: It's a question of constitutional theory and law. He is
25:58
Speaker 1: a constitutional purist, and I'm happy with him on this.
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Speaker 1: There is no I mean, I even say authorization for
26:03
Speaker 1: you some military forces and constitutions. Isn't nothing in the
26:06
Speaker 1: Constitution that allows for the basically a sub declaration of war.
26:10
Speaker 1: You either a war or not. But they have a
26:12
Speaker 1: workaround because we deal with a weird, ever evolving, crazy,
26:16
Speaker 1: crazy world, and that's where political expedience tends to substitute
26:19
Speaker 1: itself for what the Constitution actually allows for. So, I mean,
26:24
Speaker 1: he's like almost a lone voice in the wilderness Congress
26:26
Speaker 1: from Massey, Ran, Paul and Me to a large extent,
26:29
Speaker 1: agree with his position on the Constitution as it relates
26:33
Speaker 1: to dealing with these drug dealers off the coast of Venezuela.
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Speaker 9: Well, when they're out there in non territorial waters, anything
26:42
Speaker 9: can go, and we are paying massive amounts of money
26:45
Speaker 9: on drug rehabilitation facilities, broken families, drug addictions.
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Speaker 8: Just look on the county websites any time and look at.
26:53
Speaker 1: Isn't that the problem? Why do we pay for that?
26:58
Speaker 1: Why am I paying for let just theoretically, say your
27:01
Speaker 1: medical bills. Why am my response was a taxpayer to
27:04
Speaker 1: pay for narcan and drug rehabilitation. I mean there's a
27:07
Speaker 1: very harsh reality that could go along with this, and
27:10
Speaker 1: it sort of springs from the Politanus point like, and
27:13
Speaker 1: it used to be my position, which is, listen, I
27:16
Speaker 1: don't want to criminalize you're abusing your own body. You
27:20
Speaker 1: want to abuse your body, You're going to do so
27:22
Speaker 1: your own detriment, and you might die. That's a consequence
27:25
Speaker 1: of using drugs. The problem is that we as a
27:27
Speaker 1: society need to be oh my god, we need to
27:29
Speaker 1: help the people. We need to do something about it
27:31
Speaker 1: that comes at a taxpayer expense. Throw out the altruism
27:34
Speaker 1: and throw out that, you know, perhaps Judeo Christian based
27:38
Speaker 1: need and desire to help people from themselves, and you
27:42
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with legalizing drugs. Darwin will kick
27:46
Speaker 1: in and they will die. So if there's no cost
27:49
Speaker 1: associated with it. Then you don't have to make you
27:51
Speaker 1: don't have to criminalize drugs. You let them in the country,
27:53
Speaker 1: and the people who choose to use them, well, they'll die.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I understand that, Okay, But when you're blowing up
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Speaker 8: a drug boat, when you're hit by a bomb, that's
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Speaker 8: pretty much an instantaneous depth.
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Speaker 1: No one can do. No one's denying that, Tom. The
28:10
Speaker 1: reality of it is stark. There is the drug boat.
28:12
Speaker 1: It's gone. It's much much more complicated that from a
28:16
Speaker 1: legal philosophy when you start considering we have a constitution
28:20
Speaker 1: and the only reason that drug boat ain't there no
28:22
Speaker 1: more is because we are fighting the drug war because
28:25
Speaker 1: it's killing people in the United States. Yes, but it's
28:29
Speaker 1: also costing us a ton of money for the reasons
28:31
Speaker 1: I just pointed out. Now we want to take the
28:34
Speaker 1: harsh road and say sorry, sucks to you. We're no
28:36
Speaker 1: longer going to have drug rehabilitation programs, no longer to
28:38
Speaker 1: provide free NARCAN. The taxpayers are no longer gonna be
28:41
Speaker 1: on the dole or the on the on the hook
28:45
Speaker 1: to pay for those expenses. Then you can legalize drugs.
28:48
Speaker 1: We no longer need to blow up the drug boats
28:50
Speaker 1: and the death and the aftermath of a terrible problem
28:54
Speaker 1: will be quite evident. You be shoveling bodies off the
28:57
Speaker 1: streets as opposed to empty narcan containers or something. So
29:01
Speaker 1: it's very complicated. It's not just simple. And the the
29:04
Speaker 1: simple answer is blow them up before they get here.
29:07
Speaker 1: Why because we've got this crazy system that we live under.
29:11
Speaker 1: But I don't think that makes it legal.
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Speaker 8: And so that's why we have a Supreme Court, and
29:16
Speaker 8: we need smarter people like not to Johnnie Brown on
29:20
Speaker 8: the court system, but we need more people that are
29:23
Speaker 8: going to rule in favor. And you know, you can
29:26
Speaker 8: always bend the law. I see it every day in
29:29
Speaker 8: these court systems. They let criminals out of jail all
29:32
Speaker 8: the time. So you know, you pick and choose which
29:36
Speaker 8: way you want to go down the road.
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Speaker 1: Yep. And for whatever reason, we have chosen to try
29:42
Speaker 1: to rehabilitate drug users, and uh we are. It comes
29:45
Speaker 1: at a significant expense. We have chosen collectively, I guess
29:48
Speaker 1: because of Obamacare, to pay for other people's medical bills.
29:52
Speaker 1: We make the arguments all day long, but once you
29:56
Speaker 1: start shouldering the taxpayer with someone else's expensive that's a
29:59
Speaker 1: slippery slope. Go down, and you might you find yourself
30:02
Speaker 1: with a thirty seven trillion dollar hole in the ground.
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Speaker 1: Just saying I'm not being evil. I'm not saying I
30:07
Speaker 1: advocate for that necessarily, but these are the practical results
30:11
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Speaker 1: oh five, first guest in the morning before I get
30:30
Speaker 1: back to the phone. It's gotta go with this one
30:31
Speaker 1: because I don't do door dash for a variety of reasons,
30:35
Speaker 1: not the least of which is I don't want cold
30:36
Speaker 1: food delivered. I mean, it's tough enough. You pull into
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Speaker 1: a fast food restaurant, which I avoid at all costs.
30:42
Speaker 1: It's not even going to be hot when they handed
30:44
Speaker 1: to you, at least rarely is. Anyway, we've got a
30:45
Speaker 1: DoorDash driver now banned after being accused of spraying a
30:50
Speaker 1: customer's order of pepper spray. It is all caught in
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Speaker 1: a doorbell camera outside their home in Evansville, Indiana. So
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Speaker 1: the driver, who's yet to be charged with a crime,
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Speaker 1: dropped off and Arby's delivered and Mark Carton and his wife,
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Speaker 1: Mandy doordass. Driver snapped a photo of the delivery, then
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Speaker 1: pulled an object out of her pocket spray the order.
31:12
Speaker 1: The worker, described as blue haired, placed the spray back
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Speaker 1: into her jacket, walked away. Couple brought the order inside,
31:19
Speaker 1: didn't know anything was wrong with it, started eating the order.
31:22
Speaker 1: That's when Mandy began struggling to breathe. According to her husband,
31:25
Speaker 1: I noticed my wife had started eating, and she started
31:28
Speaker 1: choking and gasping, and after she had a couple of
31:30
Speaker 1: bites of her food, she actually threw up. So they
31:34
Speaker 1: checked the doorbell ring camera. He said. I had a
31:38
Speaker 1: look at the bag and looked at there was some
31:40
Speaker 1: kind of spray or something. The bag had been tampered with.
31:42
Speaker 1: So I pulled out my doorbell camera and saw the
31:44
Speaker 1: lady who dropped the food off had actually tampered with
31:46
Speaker 1: it on purpose. For some reason, shared the photos on
31:49
Speaker 1: social media looking for help identifying the driver. He tried
31:52
Speaker 1: to contact her, but apparently she had already blocked him
31:54
Speaker 1: from the app. Hmm, so off to the Vandberg County
31:59
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office, who's now looking to well find the driver.
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Speaker 1: Driver has since been banned from the app after this
32:05
Speaker 1: footage surfaced, with Eat or Dash spokesperson saying they have
32:10
Speaker 1: zero tolerance for that type of appalling behavior. He didn't
32:14
Speaker 1: know what was sprayed on the food, mister Cardon, fearing
32:16
Speaker 1: it could have been worse than it was, calling it horrific.
32:19
Speaker 1: So we assume with pepper spray more likely what it is,
32:21
Speaker 1: but now this day and age, it could have been anything. Yeah,
32:24
Speaker 1: another reason why a third party intermediary period. Yes, Joe,
32:29
Speaker 1: the biggest douche.
32:30
Speaker 10: Of the universe, in all the galaxies, there's no bigger
32:35
Speaker 10: douche than you. You've reached the top the pinnacle of
32:41
Speaker 10: douche them. Good going, Deuce, your dreams have come true.
32:47
Speaker 1: Apparently, if that foreign spray resulted in harm, it could
32:50
Speaker 1: be a level five felony. Let's see what Patrick's gott Patrick,
32:54
Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning, Welcome on the Morning Show.
32:57
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian.
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Speaker 7: Hey.
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Speaker 11: The reason that ill is that I don't know if
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Speaker 11: you were aware, but over in Indiana, in lawrence Burg,
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Speaker 11: there is a methodone clinic and it's a in Greendale
33:13
Speaker 11: and back in the mid two thousands, I oversaw the
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Speaker 11: security for Deacon a Hospital while I did private security contracts,
33:23
Speaker 11: I was contracted out to do security for that methodone clinic.
33:27
Speaker 11: And I will tell you the amount of money, and
33:30
Speaker 11: it is federally owned, and the amount of money that
33:34
Speaker 11: place brings in that one clinic is insane. It's about
33:39
Speaker 11: and this was back in like the mid two thousands,
33:42
Speaker 11: it's about five point six million dollars. Wow, because you
33:46
Speaker 11: had seven hundred people plus going through there at thirteen
33:50
Speaker 11: dollars a shot of methadone per day, three hundred and
33:55
Speaker 11: sixty five days. And one of the reasons that everybody
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Speaker 11: he was going to Indiana's because Indiana privacy laws is
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Speaker 11: that they did not require anybody's information to be released
34:08
Speaker 11: to their employer, so you didn't have to put down
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Speaker 11: that you were seeking drug counseling.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 11: I don't know if you're familiar with what methodone treats,
34:15
Speaker 11: but back then was heroin, heroin, oxy codeone, anything that
34:21
Speaker 11: was a opioid, and they were actually starting to treat
34:28
Speaker 11: cocaine addictions, but they were up in the doses to
34:32
Speaker 11: about thirty dollars a doze per person. So just imagine,
34:37
Speaker 11: because you know the people, there's a clause once a
34:43
Speaker 11: methodone clinic owns, you cannot operate another methodone clinic within
34:48
Speaker 11: one hundred miles of that location, and for that very
34:51
Speaker 11: reason because of the amount of money it brings in.
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Speaker 1: So they create monopoly jurisdictions for the methodone treatment clinics.
34:58
Speaker 1: That doesn't make much sense absolutely considering probably folks that
35:01
Speaker 1: are in need of a methodone treatment probably don't have
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Speaker 1: a vehicle of their own having sold it to buy drugs. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: so basically the state has become the drug dealer.
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Speaker 11: You would say so because it's amazing how addictive methodone is.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah, layers and layers
35:25
Speaker 1: and layers of complication because the state steps in to
35:28
Speaker 1: solve a problem. Just think about it. It's food for thought.
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Speaker 1: should return. It's that's a weekly segment anymore. I love it.
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Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson returns and we're talking about the healthcare
36:10
Speaker 1: bills that have been offered. Democrats have theirs keep the
36:13
Speaker 1: subsidies in place for three years with no effort to
36:17
Speaker 1: deal with fraud, waste, and abuse. Republicans have their own
36:20
Speaker 1: versions that are floating around, many of which include extensions
36:24
Speaker 1: of the subsidies to some degree variations of that. Congressman
36:27
Speaker 1: Davidson and his thoughts and where he is on that subject.
36:30
Speaker 1: That'll be topic number one. And then bombing the smugglers,
36:33
Speaker 1: of course, that we talked about that yesterday with Congressman
36:35
Speaker 1: Warren are with with Judge Nita Palatano and Thomas Massey
36:39
Speaker 1: Congressman Massey and Judge Poulton of both in the same
36:42
Speaker 1: page on that one. I tend to agree with him.
36:46
Speaker 1: Going back to the last hour, really I think the
36:50
Speaker 1: whole problem. And Neapolitany even brought it up. He doesn't
36:55
Speaker 1: believe in as it was kind of my former position.
36:57
Speaker 1: I don't believe in criminalizing self abuse. That's my you
37:01
Speaker 1: have libertarian philosophy, you want to kill yourself? I suppose
37:04
Speaker 1: it's you know what drugs do to you. It's impossible
37:07
Speaker 1: to escape all the information out there about how dangerous
37:10
Speaker 1: drugs are. I guess the real problem springs from the
37:17
Speaker 1: fact that we as a society try to help those
37:20
Speaker 1: people get out of that addiction syndrome. It's a huge
37:23
Speaker 1: societal cost. And you know, my sort of flip on
37:26
Speaker 1: that reality is when you do legalize, and we saw
37:28
Speaker 1: the experiment like in Portland. Look what happened to Portland.
37:35
Speaker 1: Say what you want about it, but the legalization of drugs,
37:39
Speaker 1: they were everywhere. People were laying around on the streets.
37:41
Speaker 1: And when you got a fentanyl problem, you're not a
37:45
Speaker 1: productive member of society. But you still have to eat
37:48
Speaker 1: and people worry about you sleeping out on the streets.
37:50
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we got to deal with the homeless problem.
37:52
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we gotta deal with addiction problem. Oh
37:54
Speaker 1: my god. We need an NGO to come and solve
37:55
Speaker 1: the problem. There's all your taxpayer money flowing into the situation.
37:59
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't understand where that desire to
38:02
Speaker 1: help comes from. But if we lived in a world
38:08
Speaker 1: where there was no government fix not that it's fixed
38:13
Speaker 1: the problem, we wouldn't be blowing boats up off the
38:17
Speaker 1: coast of Vona as well, would we? Just saying what
38:21
Speaker 1: makes it complicated? It's the criminalization of the drugs and
38:25
Speaker 1: everything that flows from that. And once they're criminalized, and
38:27
Speaker 1: you've got to deal with the drugs trying to get
38:29
Speaker 1: in the country, to try to stop the people who
38:31
Speaker 1: are making a profit off of something that's in huge demand.
38:34
Speaker 1: If you can't get rid of the demand because people
38:36
Speaker 1: are well inclined to use drugs, it seems to me,
38:40
Speaker 1: and I'm not offering this as a valid solution, so
38:43
Speaker 1: don't call me cruel and evil, But if you just
38:46
Speaker 1: let Darwin work, then the problem sends to solve. It
38:50
Speaker 1: tends to solve itself. And I believe there was a
38:52
Speaker 1: president of I think it was Philippines or some other
38:54
Speaker 1: country when asked about how come you don't have any
38:57
Speaker 1: you know, interdiction programs, you don't have any you know,
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Speaker 1: treatment programs. How come the taxpayer dollars aren't being used to,
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Speaker 1: you know, solve the addiction problems. The problem solves itself.
39:08
Speaker 1: In other words, Darwin kicks in o't. But the legality
39:14
Speaker 1: of it is what Massey and Napolitano and I are
39:17
Speaker 1: talking about. When it comes to blowing up boats off
39:19
Speaker 1: the coast of Venezuela. That whole concept of due process
39:23
Speaker 1: was the boat really? Did the boat really have drugs?
39:25
Speaker 1: Who do you trust on that? Do you trust your government? Really?
39:28
Speaker 1: After everything we've learned, I mean, if you're a big
39:31
Speaker 1: Trump fan, you saw what government can do. And we're
39:33
Speaker 1: still learning more and more every single day about all
39:37
Speaker 1: these plots that were hatched against Trump to undermine him
39:41
Speaker 1: as a viable candidate at the outset. Whoops, he got elected,
39:44
Speaker 1: then to undermine him get doing literally anything he wanted
39:47
Speaker 1: to do during his first presidency. And of course that
39:49
Speaker 1: conduct continues, so springing from the idea that I have
39:54
Speaker 1: little trust in my government, most notably depending on who's
39:58
Speaker 1: at the helm. Do you trust the government when they
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Speaker 1: tell you they're a drug terrorist, they're a narco terrorist?
40:03
Speaker 1: That boat was filled with drugs? Well, I'd like to
40:06
Speaker 1: see the information confirming that so called fact, and then
40:12
Speaker 1: there springs from that the whole idea. Okay, if you
40:14
Speaker 1: literally have identified someone as a narco terrorist and they
40:17
Speaker 1: are in fact ferrying drugs, where was that boat going?
40:24
Speaker 1: Is there a demand elsewhere in the world for these drugs?
40:26
Speaker 1: Of course there is, so it is extraordinarily complicated. But
40:31
Speaker 1: again theoretically moving away from the reality of how we're
40:35
Speaker 1: trying to deal with the drug problem in the world.
40:38
Speaker 1: Absent government intervention, then you are looking at a situation
40:46
Speaker 1: where it probably would solve itself. I don't know. I
40:51
Speaker 1: don't know. Dan Hills, former FOP president Dan Hills putting
40:55
Speaker 1: his well former FOP president had on, former police officer
40:59
Speaker 1: had on and talking about since at council approven the
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Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars settlement for arresting people that
41:05
Speaker 1: were congregating in the streets. Again, I do believe fundamentally
41:08
Speaker 1: civil rights violation. The curfew laws do have an exceptional
41:11
Speaker 1: least the current ones for gathering within one's First Amendment
41:15
Speaker 1: right to free assembly and free exercise speech. So I'm
41:18
Speaker 1: guessing that is the impetus behind the settlement, and because
41:21
Speaker 1: the sinsint police officers enforced the curfew, arrested people who
41:26
Speaker 1: were assembling, not committing crimes, just violating the curfew. That's
41:29
Speaker 1: why it ultimately ended up in the settlement. The city's
41:31
Speaker 1: on the hook for the vast majority of it. In
41:33
Speaker 1: spite of the question marks from some of the members
41:35
Speaker 1: of council when discussing this and approving it yesterday. How
41:38
Speaker 1: come the counties only on the hook for sixty five
41:40
Speaker 1: or for just a small slice of this. The reason
41:44
Speaker 1: it's because, well, the Sheriff's department was merely holding those
41:47
Speaker 1: that were arrested by the CINCINNT Police Department who were
41:50
Speaker 1: enforcing the curfew law. So Dan Hill's on that topic
41:54
Speaker 1: coming up. Seven point thirty. Destiny Edwards, filmmaker from Competitive
41:57
Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute, an award winning doc documentary, Dear Mister President,
42:01
Speaker 1: The Letters of Julia saying that'll be an eight of
42:04
Speaker 1: five fall by iHeart Media aviation expert Jay Ratliffe five
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Speaker 1: on three, seven fifty fred two three Talk Pound five
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Speaker 1: fifty on eight and T phone. Speaking of drugs, we
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Speaker 1: give new Us the House centate to prove the HEMP regulations.
42:15
Speaker 1: Looks like it's going to be signing the law by
42:16
Speaker 1: Governor de Wine. I'll get to that in a moment.
42:18
Speaker 1: I we'll see it, Steve Scott, Steve, thanks for calling
42:20
Speaker 1: this morning. Welcome to the show.
42:22
Speaker 12: Yes, sir, I hope you enjoyed your four days off.
42:25
Speaker 12: Of course, we're always sad when you're gone. But at
42:28
Speaker 12: the same time, I say, we like, I like, I
42:31
Speaker 12: speak for the audience, but happy for you that you
42:35
Speaker 12: get to enjoy some time off and recharge yourself. That's
42:39
Speaker 12: a day off the wonderful thing when you work. I'm
42:42
Speaker 12: semi retired. I would be scared to be off seven
42:44
Speaker 12: days a week. So I'm off four days a week.
42:46
Speaker 12: So I really enjoy the days off, but I enjoy
42:49
Speaker 12: going to work.
42:49
Speaker 1: That's funny, Steve. We my wife irrelevant but certainly substantive reason.
42:55
Speaker 1: I bring this up. Met with our financial planner the
42:57
Speaker 1: other day and we talk about retirement because getting close
42:59
Speaker 1: to the retirement age, and the one thing that frightens
43:02
Speaker 1: me about retirement it's not you know, not having resources
43:05
Speaker 1: deliver anything. It's what in the hell are you going
43:07
Speaker 1: to do with yourself, Thomas, you know, staring into the mirror,
43:10
Speaker 1: wondering how I'm going to deal with retirement. Since I
43:12
Speaker 1: really literally have no idea what I'm going to do.
43:15
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's keep keeping me from retiring.
43:17
Speaker 12: I think, well, I'm I'll tell you what I think long
43:20
Speaker 12: and hard about that. I mean, because now I stopped
43:24
Speaker 12: doing what I did, which had a little bit of
43:26
Speaker 12: pressure on it, and I do menial work now, which
43:30
Speaker 12: they are desperate for people that'll do grunt work. And generationally,
43:35
Speaker 12: and this is funny. I mean, I you know, I
43:37
Speaker 12: can tell you what I do.
43:38
Speaker 7: I do food.
43:38
Speaker 12: Delivery for Croker. I mean, you know, we all we
43:41
Speaker 12: all buy food from them, and you know, and I'm
43:43
Speaker 12: an AM talk radio junkie. So three days a week
43:46
Speaker 12: I'm driving around, you know, five thirty in the morning
43:49
Speaker 12: till like two thirty in the afternoon. I meet nice people,
43:52
Speaker 12: and I listen to the radio and they're they're paying
43:54
Speaker 12: me to listen to the radio. That's great, and you
43:56
Speaker 12: get you get a heck of a workout physically too,
43:58
Speaker 12: with a lot of stairs, and but it's fun. I
44:01
Speaker 12: enjoy it.
44:01
Speaker 2: I'm glad you out.
44:03
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I'm really glad you enjoyed. I think
44:05
Speaker 1: that that human element, dealing with people and meeting new
44:08
Speaker 1: people is really I think that's a compelling thing to
44:12
Speaker 1: as a reason to want to work. And you hear
44:14
Speaker 1: being on the morning show now coming up in twenty years.
44:16
Speaker 1: The one thing I still miss from my old job
44:18
Speaker 1: at Anthon Blue Cross, Blue Shield is being in the
44:20
Speaker 1: legal department with all the other people and interacting with
44:22
Speaker 1: them every day. You know, I interact with Joe Strecker
44:27
Speaker 1: and which is a great thing. But that's about it
44:29
Speaker 1: because I'm out of here before everybody else shows up
44:32
Speaker 1: in the morning. So it's a weird, weird thing. But
44:35
Speaker 1: I do. I do love that interaction with people, and
44:37
Speaker 1: I think that's a great thing that you're doing. And
44:39
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing it in retirement and enjoy it.
44:41
Speaker 12: No, it's fun. Yeah, And I'm just three years older
44:44
Speaker 12: than you, so I mean you you know, think about that.
44:46
Speaker 12: I've done this like eighteen months now, so it is fun.
44:48
Speaker 12: I enjoy it. But you really appreciate a day off.
44:51
Speaker 12: If I had seven days off a week, I would
44:53
Speaker 12: walk around the house and my wife would would throw
44:56
Speaker 12: me out of the house, right, I would, because I
44:58
Speaker 12: walk around and look at the way to the neighbors
45:00
Speaker 12: and you know.
45:01
Speaker 6: Why, why is he leaving it?
45:03
Speaker 12: Seven thirty today. He left at seven thirty five yesterday.
45:06
Speaker 12: I meant, I'm like the Monty Python people where they're
45:10
Speaker 12: they're they're writing everything down, they've got telescopes and they're
45:13
Speaker 12: watching everybody. Yeah, okay, just a real quick point. I
45:17
Speaker 12: live in Independence, Kentucky. Thomas Massey is my representative. I've
45:21
Speaker 12: talked to you a couple of times about him, and
45:24
Speaker 12: I really like him, you know, and and I want
45:26
Speaker 12: that to come across. But I am frustrated with him.
45:30
Speaker 12: But the gist of the story is about three weeks ago,
45:35
Speaker 12: knock on the door and it was somebody representing Thomas
45:40
Speaker 12: Massey campaigning for him. And I am very, very welcoming
45:45
Speaker 12: to anybody, be it the candidate or a representative that
45:50
Speaker 12: that would that would spend their time. You know, walking
45:53
Speaker 12: around knocking on doors can't be easy, so I'm very polite.
45:56
Speaker 12: I'm polite to anybody. But but you know, we had
45:59
Speaker 12: a conversation and I said, my frustration with him is
46:05
Speaker 12: with the votes he is making. I know he's a
46:08
Speaker 12: man of principle, but he's got Maxine Waters and AOC
46:13
Speaker 12: on his side all the time, and the Dems don't
46:16
Speaker 12: care how they peel off those votes. They don't care
46:19
Speaker 12: how they get that person on their side. I said,
46:22
Speaker 12: there's a frustration from my wife and I and we're
46:26
Speaker 12: going to think long and hard in the primary and
46:28
Speaker 12: see what we're going to do.
46:30
Speaker 1: Well, what caught on before? You look at who's joining
46:32
Speaker 1: with him? What is it that you find offensive about
46:36
Speaker 1: some particular piece of legislation that he's behind with this?
46:40
Speaker 12: And I'm going to quote him about a year ago.
46:43
Speaker 1: And we're almost out a time here, so get to
46:44
Speaker 1: the point here real quick.
46:45
Speaker 12: They're Steve okay, Well, about a year ago McConnell said
46:49
Speaker 12: he's going to retire. And you asked Massey if he
46:51
Speaker 12: was going to run for the seat in the Senate.
46:53
Speaker 12: He said, no, same circus, different set of clowns. So
46:57
Speaker 12: he is in a circus. I understand that he's in
46:59
Speaker 12: a group four p. Thirty five. You gotta put on
47:02
Speaker 12: the big floppy shoes and the red nose because you
47:05
Speaker 12: voluntarily joined the circus and when your party needs that vote,
47:11
Speaker 12: you gotta you gotta do it.
47:13
Speaker 1: Well, you're missing the point of why Congress from mess
47:15
Speaker 1: he does what he does. He doesn't need that job.
47:17
Speaker 1: It doesn't pay much at all, it's a hassle, it's
47:19
Speaker 1: a headache. It draws national focus on a single guy.
47:22
Speaker 1: I would avoid that headache, like the plague. He's got
47:25
Speaker 1: fifty five.
47:26
Speaker 12: Keep running for reelection, I.
47:28
Speaker 1: Know, because he is a constitutional puristy you want to
47:31
Speaker 1: demonstrate that. That's his motivation for running.
47:34
Speaker 12: His constituents are fed up. I will, well, then they
47:37
Speaker 12: can vote.
47:38
Speaker 1: Him out, that Steve, Then they can vote him out.
47:40
Speaker 12: We're hearing a lot of this, aren't you. And the
47:42
Speaker 12: guy said, yes, yeah, we'll see what happens exactly.
47:45
Speaker 1: We will. And I have confidence in the voters in
47:47
Speaker 1: northern Kentucky. They like him for his firm stance on
47:50
Speaker 1: the constitution. I think that's why he keeps being brought
47:52
Speaker 1: back time and time again. Somebody's got to speak the
47:55
Speaker 1: truth to power six seventeen and Democrats will only join
47:58
Speaker 1: him when they find it expeeding for them.
48:01
Speaker 2: Uh.
48:01
Speaker 1: If you have Karsty talk station No. Constant hundred two
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Speaker 1: to three talk time five fifty on AT and T phone,
48:08
Speaker 1: see what Dick's got this morning. Dick, thanks for calling.
48:10
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Morning Show.
48:12
Speaker 13: Morning Brian, Good day to you. My comment to Steve
48:16
Speaker 13: is that's why we likes Thomas Massey, unlike Rand Paul
48:22
Speaker 13: and Judge the Politano who have our tendency to complain
48:25
Speaker 13: but not resolved. Thomas said something yesterday on your show
48:29
Speaker 13: that made me reflect on why it is that I
48:33
Speaker 13: am a normal supporter of Thomas, and that is he
48:39
Speaker 13: agrees with the Polatono that the actions in the Caribbean
48:42
Speaker 13: are in violation of the Constitution. The difference, though, is
48:47
Speaker 13: Thomas does what the legislature is supposed to do. He
48:51
Speaker 13: enables the president to do what he's doing legally by
48:54
Speaker 13: putting together a resolution that says he could do that.
48:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, Dick. That's I mean, that's right. He's
49:02
Speaker 1: a purist. When it comes to the Constitution. There is
49:04
Speaker 1: a mechanism to engage in war. It's either a declaration
49:07
Speaker 1: of war or the constitutionally questionable authorization for you military force.
49:12
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Congress chime in and issue
49:14
Speaker 1: an authorization for you military force. Setting the parameters on
49:18
Speaker 1: where bombs can get dropped and not get dropped. We're
49:21
Speaker 1: gonna end up in a shooting war. If you have
49:23
Speaker 1: a president who's free to drop bombs anywhere. He might
49:26
Speaker 1: drop a bomb on a country that could actually defend
49:28
Speaker 1: itself like China or Russia. You know, I mean we
49:32
Speaker 1: end up in World War three over stuff like that.
49:34
Speaker 1: You're a safe bomb in Venezuela because then you have
49:36
Speaker 1: a military to speak of it. It's a corrupt government.
49:38
Speaker 1: That's shawn shaky grounds anyway, right, agreed.
49:42
Speaker 13: So that's why I've been in favor of Thomas actually
49:45
Speaker 13: taking the job that mister Johnson has right now, because
49:48
Speaker 13: he's consistently the person in Congress, and there's a couple others,
49:52
Speaker 13: but it's a small few. But Larren Davidson is also
49:56
Speaker 13: in that pile of people that actually follows his who
50:00
Speaker 13: is upbringing does the right thing. And so those two
50:04
Speaker 13: guys are my favorite candidates for Speaker of the House.
50:07
Speaker 1: That would be wonderful, wouldn't that send shockwaves through the
50:10
Speaker 1: rest of the House.
50:11
Speaker 13: Dick Johnson has proved himself unable to lead. There's not
50:17
Speaker 13: much difference than between him and the last several that
50:19
Speaker 13: we've had, going back all the way to the age
50:21
Speaker 13: of Clinton.
50:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is not an enviable possession. Is a treasure, Yeah,
50:25
Speaker 1: he is. He'd be firm in his convictions and that
50:27
Speaker 1: he would run the House the way he well runs
50:30
Speaker 1: his seat. You could count on him and you would
50:33
Speaker 1: know what was coming a mile away when congressomme, Messy's
50:35
Speaker 1: at the helm. But that is not a job that
50:38
Speaker 1: I would take. You could quadruple the salary and I
50:41
Speaker 1: still wouldn't take that job. Speakers were all sucks. It's
50:44
Speaker 1: like constantly hurting cats and all the cats are angry
50:47
Speaker 1: and hate each other. That's just within your own party.
50:49
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Speaker 1: fifty five hundred, eight hundred eight two three talks. City
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Speaker 1: Council approved the settlement yesterday eight point one million dollars settlement,
51:18
Speaker 1: Hamilton County paying sixty five thousand dollars of the settlement.
51:20
Speaker 1: This relates to the lawsuit that was filed by eleven people,
51:24
Speaker 1: joined later by four hundred plaintiffs. Who were all claiming
51:27
Speaker 1: that the curfew set in place by Mayor John Cranley
51:29
Speaker 1: at the time was unconstitutional and led to unlawful imprisonment
51:33
Speaker 1: of protesters. So you had the May twenty ninth protest,
51:36
Speaker 1: which devolved into vandalization and other crimes being committed love
51:41
Speaker 1: and people got arrested. That was May twenty ninth of
51:43
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I can't believe it's been that long. This
51:46
Speaker 1: is George Floyd related protest, you may recall that. So
51:49
Speaker 1: Cranley the next ding announced a ten pm curfew four
51:52
Speaker 1: just specific neighborhoods. So there after hundreds of people across
51:56
Speaker 1: the city got arrested for curfew violations and the component
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Speaker 1: of this regarding the county. They were held at the
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Speaker 1: Hamilton County Justice Center in what they called sally Port,
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Speaker 1: which is described as an area with four walls no
52:12
Speaker 1: roof that was supervised by the Hamilton County Deputies. Some
52:16
Speaker 1: claimed they were denied food, water, and bathroom breaks. That aside,
52:21
Speaker 1: but the Lion's share of this settlement if it's approved
52:24
Speaker 1: by the federal court, which, of course city council rubber
52:28
Speaker 1: stamped yesterday eight million dollars, but also there's a non
52:32
Speaker 1: monetary portion of the settlement which includes policy changes within
52:36
Speaker 1: the sin Sinnty Police Department specifically, and I don't know
52:39
Speaker 1: what this ultimately will mean. That's why we're having Dan
52:41
Speaker 1: Hills joined the program in one hour to talk about this.
52:44
Speaker 1: The creation of a Civil Disturbance Operation Procedure Guidebook described
52:50
Speaker 1: as standardizing and formalizing sin sint Police Department operations during
52:53
Speaker 1: protests and similar events. Creation of a standard dispersal order
52:59
Speaker 1: in a cap on that same with the CDP that
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Speaker 1: the officers will use during civil disturbances. Standard dispersal order.
53:09
Speaker 1: I guess it's like Miranda Rights. They will read a
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Speaker 1: specific dispersal order during civil disturbances. Uniformity, I suppose is important.
53:17
Speaker 1: I guess updated procedures to notify and collaborate with Hamilton
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Speaker 1: County Municipal Court, Justice Center, Juvenile Court in Hamilton County
53:24
Speaker 1: Juvenile Detention Center when the Sinni Police Department anticipates mass arrests.
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Speaker 1: I find no problem with that coordination anyway. All the
53:32
Speaker 1: information provided the City of Cincinnati by the City of
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Speaker 1: CINCINNAI spokesperson Molly Laire when the settlement was announced this
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Speaker 1: past Friday, so members of council, Scottie Johnson and jam
53:44
Speaker 1: Michelle lemon Kearney questioned the committee about why Hamilton County
53:48
Speaker 1: only paying sixty five thousand dollars. Johnson brought up the
53:52
Speaker 1: protesters being held in the sally Port at the Hamilton
53:54
Speaker 1: County Justice Center. Werner, the spokesperson, said, though the settlement
53:57
Speaker 1: agreement does not contain any admission of wrongdoing on behalf
54:00
Speaker 1: of the city, there are allegations in the complaint that
54:03
Speaker 1: exceed the issues in the sally Port, and I think
54:06
Speaker 1: that's the constitutionality of Cranley's order. I notably, I use
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Speaker 1: the words I think, and I contrast whatever Cranleigh's order
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Speaker 1: was on curfews with the ones that were announced over
54:18
Speaker 1: this summer, which also included an exception for exercising one's
54:22
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights to free assembly. And I think that's
54:25
Speaker 1: really the genesis behind this lawsuit City curfew. Cincinnati police
54:29
Speaker 1: executed the or rather arrested people for the violation of
54:32
Speaker 1: the curfew. If the law itself was unconstitutional, then of
54:35
Speaker 1: course the actions of the city since city since any
54:37
Speaker 1: police department interesting people deemed a civil rights violation. Now
54:42
Speaker 1: I'm prepared to be corrected on my analysis of that,
54:44
Speaker 1: but that's the way I see this unfolding. Former FOP
54:47
Speaker 1: President Dan Hills one hour from now will chime in
54:50
Speaker 1: on that topic. New security measures which are hoping to
54:53
Speaker 1: keep residents safe in the City of Bellevue. Last night's
54:57
Speaker 1: city voted to add Flock cameras, described as a form
55:00
Speaker 1: of license plate readers. They're going to be on the
55:02
Speaker 1: city limits. Apparently it was a difficult decision for the council,
55:06
Speaker 1: and in fact they say it's the first time the
55:07
Speaker 1: City of Bellevue mayor had to break a tie vote,
55:10
Speaker 1: ultimately voting in favor of a contract with Flock Incorporated.
55:13
Speaker 1: Described as a public safety technology system, it's the license
55:17
Speaker 1: plate scanning scanners. Bellevue Police Chief John McClain quota of saying,
55:23
Speaker 1: we like putting the bad guys that need to be
55:24
Speaker 1: behind bars behind bars, and any tool that helps us
55:26
Speaker 1: do that streamline and get it done faster, we're thrilled
55:28
Speaker 1: to have. So they're going to be placed at the
55:30
Speaker 1: City of Bellevue's entrances and exits to help insure more
55:34
Speaker 1: security for the residents. Cameras designed to read every license
55:37
Speaker 1: plate going in and out of the city. According to
55:41
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Andres reporting for Fox nineteen, in an effort to
55:44
Speaker 1: track the stolen vehicles, the system will alert police within
55:47
Speaker 1: thirty seconds if a stolen vehicle enters Bellevue limits. And
55:52
Speaker 1: we need something like that with ankle monitors, don't we
55:54
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be cool? And then if somebody violates an
55:57
Speaker 1: ankle monitor, the police are alerted within thirty seconds that
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Speaker 1: a bad guy is on the rome in violation of
56:03
Speaker 1: his or her probation. Wow, what an interesting concept that
56:08
Speaker 1: so coming to the city of Bellevue. I love this.
56:15
Speaker 1: Flock cameras or similar systems are currently being used in
56:17
Speaker 1: many areas of surrounding areas surrounding the tri State. Are
56:20
Speaker 1: you ready? Fun fact although the use of these cameras
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Speaker 1: does not ensure vehicles won't be stolen or broken into
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Speaker 1: very happy Thursday. Stick around. Congressman Warren Davidson coming up
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Speaker 1: at seven oh five. We'll talk about the various healthcare
56:47
Speaker 1: reform bills that are going to be voted on very soon.
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Speaker 1: That was part of the agreement to reopen the government.
56:53
Speaker 1: If you recall and neither the Democrats nor the current
56:56
Speaker 1: Republican proposal, or as the case may be, looked like
56:59
Speaker 1: they have enough votes to move forward. So back to
57:02
Speaker 1: square one is which is what I think everybody expected
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Speaker 1: after the government reopened. Former FOP President Dan Hills Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: Council approving that one point eight million dollars settlement. I
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Speaker 1: mentioned at the bottom of the hour on the local news.
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Speaker 1: Filmmaker Destri Edwards at eighth five from the Competitive Enterprise
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Speaker 1: Institute got an award winning documentary to talk about. We'll
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Speaker 1: learn together what dear mister President, the Letters of Julius
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Speaker 1: sand is all about. At eight h five Jay Ratliffe,
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Speaker 1: fifty five hundred eight eight two three talk pound five
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Speaker 1: fifty on eight and T phones. So the new THCHC ban.
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Speaker 1: Lawmakers on Tuesday sent the legislation over to Governor Mike
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Speaker 1: Dwaine's desk. It's Senate Bill fifty six passed on what
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Speaker 1: they say, party lines twenty two to seven vote will
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Speaker 1: prohibit the sales of all hemp based items containing more
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Speaker 1: than point four milligrams of total THHC. Of course, most
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Speaker 1: people know the main psychoactive drugging cannabis that's more than
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Speaker 1: point four milligrams per container, as well as those containing
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Speaker 1: synthetic canbinoids outside of a licensed medical marijuana dispensary. So
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Speaker 1: no longer will you be able to go to your
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Speaker 1: local convenience store and by THHC hemp derived products. So
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Speaker 1: the legislation, they say, will allow for five milligram hemp
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Speaker 1: derived THHC drinks they have those now to temporarily remain
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Speaker 1: legal in Ohio through the end of the year. That
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Speaker 1: says those beverages will be permitted to be manufactured, distributed,
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Speaker 1: and sold until December thirty, first of next year. They
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Speaker 1: say the bill largely mirror change is passed by Congress
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Speaker 1: last month that essentially banned intoxicating hemp products with more
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Speaker 1: than point four milligrams total THHC. However, this bill states
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Speaker 1: that the federal government reverses itself and legalizes hemp beverages
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Speaker 1: with a higher THCHC limit than what's contained in this
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Speaker 1: SB fifty six, the General Assembly will, well, here's the
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Speaker 1: operative word here, consider making changes to the state law.
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Speaker 1: That's like Hamilton County, the commissioners will consider giving you
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Speaker 1: the tax rebate you were promised when you voted to
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Speaker 1: build a Palm Brown stadium. So you can take that
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Speaker 1: promise to that consideration for what it's worth anyway. Changes
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Speaker 1: include prohibiting people from bringing weed into Ohio from other
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Speaker 1: states like Michigan. They note that Michigan weed is cheaper
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Speaker 1: than Ohio weed, so a little protectionism there for the
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Speaker 1: Ohio dispensaries. Allowing landlords to ban marijuana smoking, vaping, or
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Speaker 1: growing on their property landlords do own the property, erasing
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Speaker 1: protections in current state law prohibiting marijuana use as a
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Speaker 1: grounds four, being rejected for housing, being disciplined by state
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Speaker 1: licensing board, having a court rule that a child is
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Speaker 1: being abused or neglected, disqualifying someone from medical care or
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Speaker 1: an organ transplant. So those protections that previously existed are
1:00:03
Speaker 1: no longer there. So you better not smoke weed if
1:00:06
Speaker 1: you need an organ transplant, I guess, Or if you
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Speaker 1: are well, you hate your spouse and you're hoping to
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Speaker 1: get custody, don't be smoking weed because now apparently they
1:00:15
Speaker 1: can use that and claim that the children are neglected
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Speaker 1: because of it. Also requiring people to store all marijuana
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Speaker 1: products in their original containers. And I scratch my head
1:00:26
Speaker 1: over that one. I guess that's so children don't grab
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Speaker 1: your zip block baggy that you took your thc edibles
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Speaker 1: out of and placed into the ziplock baggy as opposed
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Speaker 1: to the original container, which also looks like it's candy
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Speaker 1: for children. What about weed that you grow at home?
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Speaker 1: Because under Ohio law you're allowed to grow quite a
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Speaker 1: few plants in your own house. There is no original container.
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Speaker 1: It is a marijuana product, is it not. It's marijuana.
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Speaker 1: Struggle with that one on your own. Forbidding people in
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Speaker 1: Ohio from growing, cultivating, or possessing homegrown marijuana on behalf
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Speaker 1: of another person, I don't know how you can approve
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Speaker 1: that one. Let's the other person turns you in and
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Speaker 1: claims that you were growing weed for them, Prohibiting people
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Speaker 1: who are fired for marijuana use from obtaining state unemployment benefits,
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Speaker 1: Creating new criminal penalty for drivers caught smoking or vaping cannabis,
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Speaker 1: punishable by up to sixty days in jaenital five hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars fine. That doesn't say anything about being intoxicated, it's
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Speaker 1: just caught smoking. And my understanding of Ohio law and
1:01:24
Speaker 1: OVI law is if you're in a car and you
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Speaker 1: are drinking, even if you're not drunk, it's the drinking
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Speaker 1: of alcohol in a car that is makes your criminal
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Speaker 1: criminally liable or at least liable for to get a ticket.
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Speaker 1: Now is a criminal penalty if you're caught smoking or
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Speaker 1: vaping in a car. Visions of fast times at Ridgemont
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Speaker 1: High and the van opening up and the smoke billowing out,
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Speaker 1: punishing people caught transferring marijuana to someone younger than twenty one,
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Speaker 1: and finally removing Ohio's current criminal penalties for parents or
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Speaker 1: guardians who knowingly allow underage people to use marijuana at
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Speaker 1: their home or on their property, removing that criminal penalty anyway,
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Speaker 1: quite a few people up in arms, including the THHC
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Speaker 1: beverage manufacturers who are making a lot of money off
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Speaker 1: brewing up those THC and fused beverages. Several of them
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Speaker 1: were interviewed locally by some of the news and found
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Speaker 1: out that well, they're making a heapload of money, and
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Speaker 1: now they're worried that, well this we're going to lose
1:02:23
Speaker 1: all kinds of money with this change. Do you agree
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Speaker 1: with the changes anyway? If Dwine signs the bill, it'll
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Speaker 1: take effect as soon as March next year. Some people
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Speaker 1: are saying this is an insult to those many voters
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio who voted for Issue Too,
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Speaker 1: which legalized marijuana for recreational use in the state of Ohio. Mike,
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Speaker 1: hang on, I'll take your call as soon as they
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Speaker 1: get back. It's already six forty six amount of time.
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Speaker 1: And I want to mention Colin Electric because they've got
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Speaker 1: a great special going on now. Don't blame Andrew Collin
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Speaker 1: at six fifty one IF fifty five pair CD talk
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Speaker 1: station five one, three seven eight two to three Talk
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Speaker 1: cont Fact fifty on AT and T phone. Here'son Warren
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Speaker 1: Davidson after the top of the UR News. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the program, Mike, thanks so much for calling this morning.
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Speaker 14: Hi, Brian, talk about the new laws for marijuana and
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Speaker 14: or anything. Right after they passed the law to legalize that,
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Speaker 14: Butler County commissioners got together and they made it so
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Speaker 14: you can't sell it in Butler County.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they wanted to avoid a dispensary or yeah, well.
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Speaker 14: The problem is you gots like the Meyers across from
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Speaker 14: forest for them all. You can throw a stone across
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Speaker 14: in the forest park at a dispensary right there and
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Speaker 14: it reeks over there.
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Speaker 1: Shocking no one. It's you know, when I grew up,
1:03:44
Speaker 1: there were a lot of quite a few dry counties.
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Speaker 1: We have relatives in the UH in the Greater Jellico,
1:03:50
Speaker 1: Tennessee area, and there are a lot of teetotalers down there,
1:03:53
Speaker 1: and they're dry counties. Guess what, You drive a couple
1:03:57
Speaker 1: of miles at most and you're in a wet county.
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Speaker 1: That's where you buy your beer, your wine and your
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Speaker 1: liquor and then you take it home.
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Speaker 14: But nice not having to smell it there out Mother
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Speaker 14: County though.
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Speaker 1: True. But I mean, listen, it's like casino gambling way bit,
1:04:10
Speaker 1: Southeast Indiana's got gambling and we don't hear in Ohio.
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Speaker 1: Guess we need a legislat bill pass to allow gambling
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. Why because all the revenue
1:04:17
Speaker 1: is going to Southeast Indiana used to be Vegas and Reno.
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Speaker 1: But I guess everybody else figured it out. The Indian
1:04:24
Speaker 1: Native American Indian tribes figured it out first. They have
1:04:28
Speaker 1: different laws on Native American lands. You don't have to
1:04:30
Speaker 1: follow federal law to prohibit gambling. Wait a second, they're
1:04:34
Speaker 1: getting all the gambling money. We need to do something
1:04:37
Speaker 1: about that. It is pretty funny when you think about it,
1:04:42
Speaker 1: but I love that one. You can't transfer marijuana from
1:04:45
Speaker 1: Michigan into the state of Ohio a measure of protectionism.
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Speaker 1: Are there going to be cops at the border? I
1:04:51
Speaker 1: remember the old days a minuder standing as they used
1:04:54
Speaker 1: to park police officers outside of the liquor stores over
1:04:57
Speaker 1: in northern Kentucky because you used to be able to
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Speaker 1: save a whole lot of money going across the river
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Speaker 1: to get booze and then bring it back in the
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Speaker 1: state of Ohio. They called that bootlegging. So a word
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Speaker 1: was it that they would follow you from the liquor
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Speaker 1: store into the state of Ohio and arrest you for
1:05:09
Speaker 1: bootlegging a measure of protectionism, maybe for the state of
1:05:13
Speaker 1: Ohio's minimum price for booze. Yeah, all right, from the
1:05:18
Speaker 1: stack is stupid. I gotta get this one in because
1:05:20
Speaker 1: it just absolutely drove me crazy. A multitude of reasons why.
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Speaker 1: First off, what in the hell is Pantone headline Pantones
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Speaker 1: white Cloud Dancer twenty twenty six color sparks progressive backlash
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Speaker 1: and look like, what the hell is that Pantone? I
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Speaker 1: don't know who Pantone is or what Pantone is, but
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Speaker 1: apparently they were a response for choosing the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: six color of the year. Does anybody follow this stuff?
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Speaker 1: This is actually a Fox News article. It's a shade
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Speaker 1: of white Cloud Dancer, and so of course people have
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Speaker 1: to be upset about the particular color that was chosen
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Speaker 1: by whatever Pantone is on Thursday, Pantone, the media company
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Speaker 1: that specializes in naming colors. That's the description. What all right?
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Speaker 1: Clearly irrelevant? Who gives a piece of excrement about it?
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Speaker 1: But of course Cloud Dancer being a shade of white,
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Speaker 1: it sparked progressive backlash. La Trese Eisman, executive director of
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Speaker 1: Pantone Color Institutes, and in the press release, the cacophony that
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Speaker 1: surrounds us has become overwhelming, making it harder to hear
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Speaker 1: the voices of our inner selves. A conscious statement of simplification,
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Speaker 1: Cloud Dancer, the color enhances our focus providing release from
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Speaker 1: the distraction of external influences. Well, inspite what they were
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Speaker 1: hoping it will come to bring about. By naming a
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Speaker 1: color white as the do the year to provide a
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Speaker 1: release from the distraction of external influences, it immediately generated
1:07:05
Speaker 1: a mass quantity of external influences. Don't we have enough
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Speaker 1: to complain and yell about, so let's yell about how
1:07:13
Speaker 1: this is an act of racism, which is really what
1:07:17
Speaker 1: this boils down to. Nothing else going on in the world.
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Speaker 1: I suppose en Yeah, I did read about it. I'd
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Speaker 1: like to think for different reasons. Six point fifty six
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Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson, what are the couple of healthcare bills
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Speaker 1: being proposed to deal with the elimination of the expiration
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Speaker 1: rather of the subsidies ender December under Obamacare. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: about healthcare. We'll talk about bombing smugglers, hot topic of
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Speaker 1: late here in the morning show. Plus former FOP president
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Speaker 1: Dan Hills on the council's approval of the one point
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Speaker 1: eight million dollars settlement with the various protesters. That's coming
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Speaker 1: up in the next hour. Who we can stick around
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Speaker 1: Today's top headlines coming It's seven five I fifty five
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Speaker 1: kre ced Talks station Friday Eve. It is that time
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Speaker 1: a week and I so thoroughly enjoyed Congressman Warren davids
1:08:18
Speaker 1: and joining the program on a regular basis. Welcome back,
1:08:20
Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson. It's a distinct pleasure to have you
1:08:23
Speaker 1: on the show again.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, always an honor brand. Nice to talk with you.
1:08:27
Speaker 1: You're not a senator yet, but apparently the Senate's going
1:08:30
Speaker 1: to be voting on two proposals as part of the
1:08:32
Speaker 1: agreement to open up the government again after the forty
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Speaker 1: three days that was shut which actually put a smile
1:08:38
Speaker 1: a lot of my listeners' faces, I have to say,
1:08:40
Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson. But that aside two proposals floating around the
1:08:43
Speaker 1: Senate won the Republican proposal, which is a little more complicated,
1:08:47
Speaker 1: a lot different than the Democrats proposal, which is simply
1:08:50
Speaker 1: to extend the healthcare supplements for an additional three years,
1:08:54
Speaker 1: no other terms of conditions, just a straight three year extension,
1:08:56
Speaker 1: which is what they were arguing for in essence when
1:08:59
Speaker 1: they shut the government down. I guess initially if that
1:09:03
Speaker 1: one was to win the day, and they say so
1:09:05
Speaker 1: far there is no way either of these proposals got
1:09:08
Speaker 1: the votes necessary to pass. But theoretically, if that one
1:09:11
Speaker 1: did pass, we're just merely kicking the can down the
1:09:14
Speaker 1: road again for another three years, only to have this
1:09:16
Speaker 1: argument again in three years, I presume, right.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, Congress is pretty good at the king aim.
1:09:22
Speaker 15: But so I couldn't totally bet against that happening because
1:09:27
Speaker 15: there are a couple of Republican proposals too that were
1:09:31
Speaker 15: introduced as discharged petitions in the House. Brian Fitzpatrick, a
1:09:34
Speaker 15: moderate from Philadelphia, wants to get Democrats to back his
1:09:38
Speaker 15: proposal to do a two year extension. And then Jen
1:09:41
Speaker 15: Keggin's a moderate from Norfolk, Virginia. She's got some other
1:09:46
Speaker 15: scheme to basically continue. It's basically the Obamacare bailout Act, right,
1:09:50
Speaker 15: I mean, clearly Obamacare failed. It hasn't made the care
1:09:55
Speaker 15: more affordable. Let's, as I say, for no good ideas
1:09:58
Speaker 15: in Obamacare. There were things that did need fixed in
1:10:00
Speaker 15: our health care system. But this isn't like all of
1:10:03
Speaker 15: Obamacare goes away, right, I mean, this is just a
1:10:06
Speaker 15: bonus subsidy that affects about It affects about five percent
1:10:11
Speaker 15: of the people that get Obamacare, and generally the five
1:10:14
Speaker 15: percent of people that it affects are you know people
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Speaker 15: if the only income I had was pay from Congress
1:10:20
Speaker 15: and the only you know, no big set of assets
1:10:22
Speaker 15: are haying. If you're making one hundred and eighty thousand
1:10:25
Speaker 15: dollars a year and you have a family of four,
1:10:28
Speaker 15: you could still qualify for these kinds of subsidies. This
1:10:31
Speaker 15: is crazy. This is bonus round stuff. And yeah, okay,
1:10:35
Speaker 15: people that are making one hundred and eighty two hundred
1:10:37
Speaker 15: thousand dollars a year, the idea that the government wouldn't
1:10:40
Speaker 15: keep subsidizing them shouldn't scare people. Right. So the traditional
1:10:45
Speaker 15: Obamacare person who's you know, making you know, fifty thousand
1:10:48
Speaker 15: dollars a year, working in a job that doesn't offer healthcare,
1:10:52
Speaker 15: say a restaurant or something, they don't have benefits, and
1:10:54
Speaker 15: they sent it for Obamacare, regular Obamacare is in jeopardy.
1:10:59
Speaker 15: But that doesn't mean it works well. Ask people their
1:11:02
Speaker 15: healthcare is terrible, They get high out of pocket expenses,
1:11:05
Speaker 15: their premiums go up double digits every year. But this
1:11:08
Speaker 15: isn't the program that affects that.
1:11:10
Speaker 5: It's just status quo.
1:11:12
Speaker 15: Obama Care is terrible.
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Speaker 1: Well, my understanding, and I've said it many times, this
1:11:18
Speaker 1: is what I understand the argument to be, and why
1:11:21
Speaker 1: some Republicans would extend the subsidies in spite of everything.
1:11:25
Speaker 1: You just point out that, like the Continuing Resolution that
1:11:29
Speaker 1: led up to the government shutdown, the Republicans approved the
1:11:32
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four spending levels didn't try to pair it back,
1:11:35
Speaker 1: much to the chagrin of folks like you, maybe Thomas Massey,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: which would have liked to have seen some cuts. They
1:11:40
Speaker 1: wanted to take all arguments away from Democrats as we
1:11:43
Speaker 1: approach the expiration of the subsidies. So here we are.
1:11:46
Speaker 1: You know, we're shutting down, but we left your funding
1:11:48
Speaker 1: levels the same as last year. You have nothing to
1:11:49
Speaker 1: complain about. And they really didn't. That pushed the burden
1:11:52
Speaker 1: back over them to say, well, wait a minute, no,
1:11:54
Speaker 1: these subsidies a going to inspire. We're all going to die,
1:11:56
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But you're the one that put the
1:11:57
Speaker 1: expiration date in. The only reason they were sended and
1:12:00
Speaker 1: broadened was because of COVID nineteen. Now long over, they
1:12:04
Speaker 1: had no argument. Now pivoting over to this, the Republicans
1:12:07
Speaker 1: would extend the subsidies because they want to get past
1:12:10
Speaker 1: next November. They want to take the win out of
1:12:13
Speaker 1: the argument that the Democrats will run around screaming, oh
1:12:15
Speaker 1: my god, those evil Republicans took away health care from
1:12:18
Speaker 1: millions of Americans. But going to that five percent figure
1:12:22
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, if this is only going to impact
1:12:24
Speaker 1: five percent of the voters, those who are getting subsidies
1:12:27
Speaker 1: in excess of the original cap of sixty one five,
1:12:30
Speaker 1: is that really an election influence percentage? Do the Democrats
1:12:35
Speaker 1: really have that much traction making that argument going into
1:12:38
Speaker 1: next year.
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Speaker 15: Well, here's what's succeeding in doing is you know, in
1:12:43
Speaker 15: twenty seventeen, Republicans campaign on repealing Obama Obamacare. Some said
1:12:47
Speaker 15: they campaign on repealing and replacing Obamacare. Either way, it
1:12:51
Speaker 15: neither happened, right, So since then, people have had bills
1:12:56
Speaker 15: to try to address our healthcare system. But Republicans have
1:12:59
Speaker 15: done everything possible to not talk about healthcare since twenty
1:13:03
Speaker 15: seventeen because they tried and failed to get rid of Obamacare,
1:13:06
Speaker 15: and so they're like scared to even talk about it.
1:13:09
Speaker 15: Bills don't even come up for hearings in the committee's
1:13:12
Speaker 15: of jurisdiction. So I've been pushing to say, well, then
1:13:15
Speaker 15: just create a healthcare committee, because here's the reality is,
1:13:18
Speaker 15: Obamacare didn't fix healthcare. It fixed a couple problems, like
1:13:23
Speaker 15: people that had pre existing conditions and had hard times enrolling,
1:13:26
Speaker 15: and adverse selection where you already get sick and you
1:13:30
Speaker 15: can't even get insurance. So things like that were better,
1:13:36
Speaker 15: but none of the Republican plans really wanted to get
1:13:38
Speaker 15: rid of that that were out there. But because of that,
1:13:41
Speaker 15: Democrats have kind of claimed some ground on healthcare. It's
1:13:46
Speaker 15: one policy area where they generally get feedback because they're
1:13:50
Speaker 15: united behind a plan. Republicans haven't done the debate to
1:13:54
Speaker 15: say we're united behind one plan. We've got dozens, frankly,
1:13:58
Speaker 15: that are just languishing in the hopper waiting to have
1:14:01
Speaker 15: a debate. So I think the Democrats are going to
1:14:04
Speaker 15: force a debate here. Because people love their doctor, they
1:14:08
Speaker 15: like their hospitals, they like the technology, but when the
1:14:12
Speaker 15: billing time comes, they're baffled. They're like, wait, wait, so
1:14:15
Speaker 15: my premiums are going up, you know, fifteen to twenty
1:14:18
Speaker 15: percent every year. My out of pockets crept up from
1:14:21
Speaker 15: four thousand to six thousand to now ten thousand. You're
1:14:24
Speaker 15: still denying claims. You're still saying this is out of network.
1:14:27
Speaker 15: I was in the same building the whole time. How's
1:14:29
Speaker 15: it out of network? All these kinds of things about
1:14:32
Speaker 15: paying for health care are still terrible. And what Democrats
1:14:36
Speaker 15: are wanting to do is hang that entire problem around
1:14:38
Speaker 15: Republicans and if Republicans don't do anything about it and
1:14:42
Speaker 15: just try to avoid the problem, stick your head in
1:14:44
Speaker 15: the sand. Well it's gonna work.
1:14:47
Speaker 5: Right.
1:14:47
Speaker 15: So, like, I think the challenge for the Speaker, and
1:14:50
Speaker 15: this is a meeting I was in with him this week,
1:14:52
Speaker 15: is you're going to have to do something about healthcare?
1:14:54
Speaker 15: Why not create a select committee? Why not go in
1:14:56
Speaker 15: ahead and roll out here are ways to address some
1:14:59
Speaker 15: of the problems, because that's what people want. They're dealing
1:15:02
Speaker 15: with this problem. And you know, not necessarily everybody. I
1:15:05
Speaker 15: mean a lot of the folks that work at Proctor
1:15:07
Speaker 15: and gamb or Kroger or something have great plans, they
1:15:09
Speaker 15: love them, and the company kind of eats a lot
1:15:11
Speaker 15: of that cost. But most of America doesn't work in
1:15:14
Speaker 15: a place that has that kind of benefits. Most Americans
1:15:16
Speaker 15: get their insurance through work, and that is way better
1:15:20
Speaker 15: than Obamacare on balance, but it still has these kinds
1:15:23
Speaker 15: of problems, and Congress isn't addressing them.
1:15:26
Speaker 1: Well, Congressman David Sentem, isn't the elephant in the room
1:15:29
Speaker 1: the fact that nobody wants to go back to pre
1:15:31
Speaker 1: existing conditions. I mean, if you don't. The analogy I
1:15:35
Speaker 1: draw all the time is you can't get fire insurance
1:15:38
Speaker 1: for your home if your house is already on fire.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: The incentive is to get it ahead of time, so
1:15:43
Speaker 1: you're covered if the catastrophe happens. That was the incentive
1:15:46
Speaker 1: behind pre existing conditions. Look, if you get sick and
1:15:49
Speaker 1: you don't have medical insurance, you're going to be on
1:15:51
Speaker 1: the hook for that. They're not going to cover a
1:15:52
Speaker 1: pre existing condition. You can't actually account for what that
1:15:55
Speaker 1: cost is going to be across an entire population. And
1:15:58
Speaker 1: yet out the door went pre exclusions. Welcome to a
1:16:02
Speaker 1: flood of houses on fire that are now required to
1:16:05
Speaker 1: be covered by the insurance company or Obamacare is the
1:16:08
Speaker 1: case maybe, which is the American taxpayer. That's why premiums
1:16:10
Speaker 1: have gone up.
1:16:13
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's a big factor. I mean, you know there
1:16:15
Speaker 15: are things like that, and you know there are tons
1:16:17
Speaker 15: of programs like that. In the federal government where you're
1:16:21
Speaker 15: creating incentives to do to wait dysfunctional bad things, and
1:16:26
Speaker 15: so the government says, well, let's create a government program
1:16:28
Speaker 15: for it. And for a lot of people that say,
1:16:30
Speaker 15: well we have free xyz. Now there's no free there's
1:16:33
Speaker 15: a chance transfer of who the payer is. And sometimes
1:16:37
Speaker 15: the reality is, oh, well we're going to soak the rich. Okay,
1:16:40
Speaker 15: Well that's briefs okay, and they are on balance paying
1:16:43
Speaker 15: most of the taxes. But the reality is they're not
1:16:47
Speaker 15: paying all the taxes. We have massive depth CITs every
1:16:50
Speaker 15: year and this causes inflation. People are like, well, gee,
1:16:53
Speaker 15: why is a five dollars foot long twelve dollars? Well,
1:16:56
Speaker 15: because the federal government spends seven trillion every year and
1:16:58
Speaker 15: only collects five trillion in revenue, and they keep subsidizing
1:17:02
Speaker 15: thing and the things they subsidize healthcare, housing, education, The
1:17:08
Speaker 15: rate of inflation there is way bigger than the rest
1:17:10
Speaker 15: of the economy. But okay, yeah, if you get the subsidy,
1:17:13
Speaker 15: it feels a little better. So that's kind of the race.
1:17:16
Speaker 15: Now it's like, well, we need more free stuff for
1:17:18
Speaker 15: more people. Well, it's because it's not free. So there's
1:17:21
Speaker 15: a cost and that's what's happening, and the inflation, in
1:17:23
Speaker 15: frankly is going to keep going because the free stuff
1:17:26
Speaker 15: for people is popular.
1:17:28
Speaker 1: It is, indeed, and that's why once you start a
1:17:31
Speaker 1: government program, even if it has an expiration date, it
1:17:33
Speaker 1: tends to go on forever, much like the Bombacare subsidies.
1:17:36
Speaker 1: But real quick here, one of the proposals over in
1:17:38
Speaker 1: the Senate is to provide individuals with between one thousand
1:17:42
Speaker 1: and fifteen hundred dollars to help pay for the premium,
1:17:44
Speaker 1: put them in accounts like a health savings account. You
1:17:46
Speaker 1: can use that money to pay for insurance premiums. That
1:17:49
Speaker 1: would create a market force because very few people are
1:17:52
Speaker 1: aware even that there is a whole world of private
1:17:55
Speaker 1: insurance companies out there that provide medical insurance policies that
1:17:58
Speaker 1: can cost a lot less. Us this flexibility with the money,
1:18:03
Speaker 1: if you're not bound to spend that HSA funding on Obamacare,
1:18:07
Speaker 1: you can go out into the open insurance market and
1:18:09
Speaker 1: find a much better plan of coverage for less money
1:18:13
Speaker 1: and use that money, and the market forces could then
1:18:15
Speaker 1: drive the cost down.
1:18:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:18:18
Speaker 15: I mean, this is one of the bills that Republicans
1:18:20
Speaker 15: have united behind for a long time, some not so
1:18:23
Speaker 15: much because of the subsidy part. But if you are
1:18:26
Speaker 15: going to spend federal dollars and subsidize something, it would
1:18:29
Speaker 15: make sense to send the money to the doctors or
1:18:31
Speaker 15: hospitals because they're the ones incurring the cost, and then
1:18:34
Speaker 15: they wouldn't pass it on to consumers. Would be agreement there,
1:18:38
Speaker 15: or you would give it to the consumers. But the
1:18:41
Speaker 15: worst idea of all would give it to the insurance company. Yes,
1:18:45
Speaker 15: because I mean and the evidence is in. It's not
1:18:48
Speaker 15: debatable whether the insurance companies have done a good job
1:18:51
Speaker 15: with the money that you give them. They've been terrible.
1:18:54
Speaker 15: So I think the dumbest play call possible would be
1:18:57
Speaker 15: to do the three year status quo a reform plan.
1:19:02
Speaker 15: But if you go out to the betting markets, I
1:19:04
Speaker 15: would say it's probably considered the more likely option. But look,
1:19:09
Speaker 15: Chuck Schumer has pushed for that in the Senate. He
1:19:12
Speaker 15: got Thune to agree to call the vote as part
1:19:15
Speaker 15: of opening up the government. I don't know whether it'll
1:19:18
Speaker 15: pass the Senate or not. The reality is it doesn't
1:19:20
Speaker 15: have the votes to pass in the House. Right the
1:19:24
Speaker 15: Speaker doesn't have to put any of this on the floor.
1:19:27
Speaker 15: But that's what discharge petitions do. It takes the power
1:19:29
Speaker 15: away from the speaker. It gives the power really to
1:19:32
Speaker 15: the minority party. And then a handful of Republicans that
1:19:36
Speaker 15: would sign on with the discharge petition. And so that's
1:19:39
Speaker 15: the concern. You got like six Republicans that are pretty
1:19:43
Speaker 15: public about wanting to do this, maybe a dozen or
1:19:45
Speaker 15: so they want to do this, and you know, if
1:19:49
Speaker 15: the alternative is that Republicans are going to do nothing,
1:19:52
Speaker 15: it's hard to peel those Republicans that feel like, well,
1:19:55
Speaker 15: we better do something on healthcare. I got a lot
1:19:56
Speaker 15: of constituents that are getting hit by this, and that's
1:20:00
Speaker 15: I think part of the pressure is, like the speaker,
1:20:02
Speaker 15: hey man, you're gonna have to call a player. You're
1:20:05
Speaker 15: gonna have to do something. And if you give them
1:20:07
Speaker 15: a viable alternative to say, Okay, we are going to
1:20:10
Speaker 15: do something, let's talk about that, then I think we
1:20:13
Speaker 15: have a chance to do something smarter on healthcare that
1:20:16
Speaker 15: really will help solve problems for the whole population instead
1:20:19
Speaker 15: of this stupid play to keep pretending Obamacare works.
1:20:23
Speaker 1: Well, one might be dealing with fraud, waste, and abuse upfront.
1:20:26
Speaker 1: At least the Republican proposal over in the Senate that
1:20:28
Speaker 1: provides this cash pain and to deal with premiums, also
1:20:31
Speaker 1: requires states of valor verify citizenship immigration status before coverage
1:20:35
Speaker 1: will even be issued. One small, but could be potentially
1:20:40
Speaker 1: effective measure in keeping fraud, waste and abuse out of
1:20:43
Speaker 1: the system, not notably in a wealthy small population of Minnesota.
1:20:47
Speaker 1: We'll continue with congress Warren Davidson find out out a
1:20:49
Speaker 1: bombing smugglers after a brief break, beginning with Susette lows Acamp,
1:20:53
Speaker 1: She's fantastic if for a mortgage related issue Friday Eve
1:20:56
Speaker 1: to you Congressman Warren Davidson on the phone talking about
1:20:58
Speaker 1: some of the issues flowing around healthcare. The real quick here,
1:21:01
Speaker 1: Congressman Davison, because I want to find out your position
1:21:02
Speaker 1: on bombing the smugglers off the coast of Venezuela. Have
1:21:06
Speaker 1: we got a moment of clarity or moment of awakening yet?
1:21:08
Speaker 1: In government? Can we please please pay focus primarily and
1:21:13
Speaker 1: upfront on ferreting out and following up on fraud, waste
1:21:16
Speaker 1: and abuse. Shouldn't it be job one making sure the
1:21:19
Speaker 1: American taxpayer dollar isn't being ripped off Because every damn
1:21:22
Speaker 1: program that the government comes out with turns out to
1:21:24
Speaker 1: be some great opportunity for someone to rip off the
1:21:26
Speaker 1: American taxpayer. Let's start with COVID funds. Let's look at
1:21:29
Speaker 1: the NGOs receiving money and not following through with what
1:21:32
Speaker 1: they promised it. And we could go on ad nauseum. Please,
1:21:35
Speaker 1: Dear God, can't we make that a focus and make
1:21:37
Speaker 1: it a bipartisan focus.
1:21:39
Speaker 15: Bipartisan I don't know about that, but for Republicans, yes,
1:21:44
Speaker 15: And this was the whole point of DOGE. The rumors
1:21:47
Speaker 15: of its demise are inaccurate. They're still cranking away at DOGE.
1:21:53
Speaker 15: It's going to have been normalized. It's kind of running
1:21:55
Speaker 15: within regular departments. It's officially called the US Digital Service,
1:22:00
Speaker 15: which is something Barack Obama created, right, So they're they're
1:22:03
Speaker 15: still doging out there, and that's part of how you're
1:22:05
Speaker 15: finding some of these problems where you know Medicaid, they're
1:22:09
Speaker 15: like doing tests and frankly, the Government Accountability Office is
1:22:13
Speaker 15: an ongoing operation like that where they provide this kind
1:22:17
Speaker 15: of oversight, they are exposing it. The question is what
1:22:20
Speaker 15: are you doing about it? And a lot of this
1:22:22
Speaker 15: comes to states, and I'll give a shout out to
1:22:24
Speaker 15: you know, our auditor, you know, done very good. Keith
1:22:27
Speaker 15: Favors rooted out a lot of this when he was
1:22:29
Speaker 15: auditor in Ohio. But some states, when it comes to
1:22:33
Speaker 15: you know, welfare fraud, say food stamps, they don't really
1:22:37
Speaker 15: have an incentive structurally to get rid of it. That's
1:22:39
Speaker 15: why states like California are like, you know, giving it
1:22:43
Speaker 15: to illegals, because all this federal money comes into the
1:22:46
Speaker 15: state and it gets spent in the local economy, so
1:22:49
Speaker 15: they don't even really want to turn it off. They're
1:22:51
Speaker 15: wanting the cash to flow, and they want it to
1:22:54
Speaker 15: flow even bigger. They want more checks from DC there.
1:22:57
Speaker 15: So it's essentially another way for Californi you to steal
1:23:00
Speaker 15: money from Ohio.
1:23:01
Speaker 1: Amen, Congressman David, send your thoughts on blowing up boats
1:23:04
Speaker 1: off the coast of Venezuela. I had massy on yesterday,
1:23:07
Speaker 1: Congressom Mass Judge and Poltanoho and Polton has been on
1:23:10
Speaker 1: a tear on this one of late. He believes it
1:23:12
Speaker 1: to be unconstitutional. We don't have an authorization for you
1:23:14
Speaker 1: some military force. There is no declaration of war. If
1:23:17
Speaker 1: this was a country that could defend itself, if it
1:23:19
Speaker 1: had nukes, I don't think this will be happening. But
1:23:21
Speaker 1: you know, no sympathy for Venezuela. But we can pick
1:23:25
Speaker 1: on someone with no military and they are indeed sending
1:23:28
Speaker 1: drugs to our country. But can we definitively say the
1:23:31
Speaker 1: boat that was floating off the coast fifteen hundred miles
1:23:33
Speaker 1: away was coming here? Did they represent an imminent threat?
1:23:36
Speaker 1: What's your take on all this, Congressman.
1:23:38
Speaker 15: Well, look, generally I agree with all that cast of characters.
1:23:42
Speaker 15: I do think these are legitimate targets. I do think
1:23:44
Speaker 15: they're operating as part of the enemies of our country.
1:23:48
Speaker 15: Whether they're terrorists or not, they're clearly enemies of our country,
1:23:52
Speaker 15: and their activities are clearly killing Americans. People aren't intentionally
1:23:56
Speaker 15: taking Xanax's laced with Sentinel in dying right. My friend's daughter,
1:24:01
Speaker 15: did you know, not smart to take his annex at
1:24:03
Speaker 15: a party. But it's not supposed to kill you, right,
1:24:05
Speaker 15: And that's the thing. You've got tens of thousands of
1:24:08
Speaker 15: Americans dying from this. You need to take out the
1:24:11
Speaker 15: organizations that are doing it, and these boats. Frankly, when
1:24:16
Speaker 15: it comes to targeting, these aren't like Venezuela and flagged boats.
1:24:19
Speaker 15: So this isn't an act of war against Venezuela. They're
1:24:22
Speaker 15: essentially pirates. They're running unflagged. They want to go undetected,
1:24:26
Speaker 15: and they want to get the drugs out of you know,
1:24:30
Speaker 15: Central South America into the United States market, which is big.
1:24:34
Speaker 15: I mean, there's a lot of demand from drugs. It's
1:24:36
Speaker 15: a fair point that's part of the problem, but that
1:24:39
Speaker 15: doesn't mean it's okay. So I think they're legitimate targets.
1:24:43
Speaker 15: I do agree that if you want to do a
1:24:45
Speaker 15: regime change war in Venezuela with traditional military forces, that
1:24:50
Speaker 15: would require a declaration of war. But there are a
1:24:53
Speaker 15: lot of reasons why you would want to go to Venezuela.
1:24:55
Speaker 15: People say, oh, it's about the oil. It's really a
1:24:58
Speaker 15: big nexus for the whole operation. So with the cover
1:25:02
Speaker 15: of a nation state, you can do the money laundering easier,
1:25:05
Speaker 15: and when you've got oil flowing, you can attach laundered
1:25:08
Speaker 15: money to that transaction. And a lot of this is
1:25:10
Speaker 15: flowing to China, just like the fentanyl's coming from China.
1:25:14
Speaker 15: You know, it used to be that to launder money,
1:25:16
Speaker 15: you know, it would cost the cartels ten to twenty percent,
1:25:19
Speaker 15: so they had to say a million dollar drug sale,
1:25:22
Speaker 15: they would get eight hundred thousand, and you know, a
1:25:25
Speaker 15: couple hundred thousand would go to the guys that launder
1:25:27
Speaker 15: the money. China's eating that cost because there's so much
1:25:30
Speaker 15: demand for dollars out of Asia that they're working in
1:25:34
Speaker 15: operation to launder the money there. So these are things
1:25:38
Speaker 15: and I think, you know, look the economists, which I
1:25:40
Speaker 15: wouldn't count on and being a reliable source, you know,
1:25:43
Speaker 15: for all kinds of information, but they had a good
1:25:45
Speaker 15: write up on this recently. It's you know, so this
1:25:49
Speaker 15: is the kind of thing that's going on. Does that
1:25:51
Speaker 15: mean we should go to war with Venezuela. I don't know,
1:25:54
Speaker 15: but I do think we should take we shouldn't tolerate
1:25:57
Speaker 15: this to continue happening.
1:25:58
Speaker 1: Couldn't it work so into an authorization used the military force,
1:26:02
Speaker 1: which would set forth the parameters like the back of
1:26:04
Speaker 1: the one back from two thousand and one, which a
1:26:05
Speaker 1: lot of us to go after terrorists, Islamic terrorists in
1:26:09
Speaker 1: the aftermath of nine to eleven. I mean, isn't that
1:26:11
Speaker 1: compressional stamp of approval with parameters the appropriate thing to
1:26:15
Speaker 1: work under.
1:26:17
Speaker 15: I think it's a great way to do it. I
1:26:18
Speaker 15: have such a bill whether I've worked on for years. Rightly,
1:26:22
Speaker 15: I've wanted to go after the cartels in this way
1:26:24
Speaker 15: for a long time. They should be treated as enemies
1:26:26
Speaker 15: of our country. And I've got the legislation to do it.
1:26:31
Speaker 15: But you know, the administration isn't interested in the legislation.
1:26:34
Speaker 15: They say, we have the executive authority, we don't really
1:26:37
Speaker 15: want to have the debate. Yeah, and I think, look,
1:26:40
Speaker 15: the reality is you've got colleagues who don't believe that
1:26:43
Speaker 15: they should do it in the first place. So I
1:26:45
Speaker 15: think they're right. They may not be able to pass.
1:26:47
Speaker 15: There are Democrats who generally had supported but if it
1:26:49
Speaker 15: allowed announce the discretion for Trump, they're like, oh, I can't,
1:26:53
Speaker 15: I can't support that.
1:26:56
Speaker 1: Trump and syndrome.
1:26:59
Speaker 15: It's in play every time. I think, look, they're finally
1:27:02
Speaker 15: going after these guys, and I think that needs to
1:27:04
Speaker 15: be done.
1:27:05
Speaker 1: Got some more and Davidson. Appreciate your thoughts and comments.
1:27:07
Speaker 1: As always, I look forward to having another conversation with you,
1:27:09
Speaker 1: hopefully next Thursday, and between now and then, best of
1:27:12
Speaker 1: health you and your loved ones, and we'll talk soon.
1:27:15
Speaker 15: Thanks Brian gob less Shore and all your listeners.
1:27:17
Speaker 1: And you, sir, Thank you, seven twenty eight right now
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1:27:21
Speaker 1: Friday Eve to you. Brian Thomas, happy to welcome back
1:27:24
Speaker 1: to the fifty five CARC Morning Show former FOP President
1:27:27
Speaker 1: Dan Hills. Dan Hills, Welcome to the morning show. It's
1:27:29
Speaker 1: great to have you on, Brian.
1:27:32
Speaker 2: It's always great to be on your show. And I
1:27:35
Speaker 2: hear I might even have an opportunity to do a
1:27:37
Speaker 2: little little debate with my dear friend and an awesome attorney,
1:27:43
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas.
1:27:44
Speaker 1: Great, let's do.
1:27:45
Speaker 2: That about this. Let's do this about this settlement.
1:27:49
Speaker 1: This settlement eight point one million dollars improved by since
1:27:51
Speaker 1: an council yesterday, sixty five thousand covered by the county,
1:27:54
Speaker 1: the balance covered by the city tax payers, all springing
1:27:57
Speaker 1: from you. Remember Brionna Taylor and George Floyd. There were
1:28:00
Speaker 1: couple of incidents in the aftermath of their killings, of course,
1:28:03
Speaker 1: protests in downtown Cincinnatio as well as elsewhere. Protest devolving
1:28:07
Speaker 1: into criminal activity, which resulted in John Cranley imposing a curfew,
1:28:12
Speaker 1: and pursuant to the curfew, we had people arrested for
1:28:16
Speaker 1: violating the curfew. Those people heard it up and placed
1:28:18
Speaker 1: in the Hemlin kind of justice center, what they call
1:28:20
Speaker 1: Sally's Port. Those folks sued, and the cities decided to settle.
1:28:26
Speaker 1: This springs from I believe a civil rights violation. The
1:28:28
Speaker 1: free the First Amendment allows to you know, for us
1:28:31
Speaker 1: to gather together and speak, and I'm guessing that's why
1:28:36
Speaker 1: they've resolved this. Did they not have an exception to
1:28:40
Speaker 1: the curfew for people who are exercising the right to
1:28:43
Speaker 1: free assembly?
1:28:44
Speaker 2: Dan Hills, Well, you know, I think there was plenty
1:28:49
Speaker 2: of opportunity for people to have free assembly and protest.
1:28:52
Speaker 2: What happened, and you just said it was that the
1:28:55
Speaker 2: legal behavior that was happening became a safety issue, you
1:29:00
Speaker 2: not only for the police, but for the community. And
1:29:03
Speaker 2: therefore I thought John Cranley's actions were just. And this
1:29:06
Speaker 2: is where my you know, my confusion lives was Scottie Johnson.
1:29:09
Speaker 2: And maybe you're maybe not you as well that thinking
1:29:12
Speaker 2: that this settlement is just. I think that I think
1:29:16
Speaker 2: the settlement, the settlement is a rip off of the taxpayers.
1:29:19
Speaker 2: And I think at some point, you know, law departments
1:29:23
Speaker 2: like the City of Cincinnati needs to draw the line.
1:29:27
Speaker 2: These folks knew the rules as they were being put
1:29:30
Speaker 2: out there that there was there was some you know,
1:29:34
Speaker 2: uh big boy and big girl games going on, and uh,
1:29:39
Speaker 2: it was within the mayor's rights and it was within
1:29:42
Speaker 2: the police department's duties to enforce this this curfew to
1:29:45
Speaker 2: help me keep the community safe. And so, uh, you know,
1:29:50
Speaker 2: I did a little break down with the numbers. It
1:29:52
Speaker 2: was actually eight million, one hundred and forty three thousand
1:29:54
Speaker 2: once you include that mass of sixty five thousand dollars
1:29:58
Speaker 2: from the county kicking in. I don't know what that's
1:30:00
Speaker 2: all about. And you deducted the attorneys fees two million
1:30:03
Speaker 2: dollars I think to two million and thirty five thousand.
1:30:09
Speaker 2: So there's where a lot of the motivation comes from.
1:30:12
Speaker 2: You have attorneys willing, yeah, all these vass's and if
1:30:16
Speaker 2: if this city in the law department would really effectively
1:30:18
Speaker 2: battle some of these things, I don't know if these
1:30:20
Speaker 2: folks could come up, you know, with attorneys that are
1:30:24
Speaker 2: willing to do this. So that leaves six million, one
1:30:27
Speaker 2: hundred and eight thousand dollars divided by four hundred and
1:30:29
Speaker 2: seventy nine people. And this is where I actually have
1:30:32
Speaker 2: to ask you a question, Brian. The twelve seven hundred
1:30:35
Speaker 2: and fifty one dollars and I rounded up the fifty
1:30:38
Speaker 2: seven cents. Is there is there taxes taken out of
1:30:42
Speaker 2: a settlement like that for these individuals?
1:30:43
Speaker 1: I do not believe so.
1:30:46
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't think so either, But I want to
1:30:47
Speaker 2: ask you for sure.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be an award for damages. It's an
1:30:51
Speaker 1: award for damages. You know that. I guess the process
1:30:55
Speaker 1: is I see it. You had the protest going on
1:30:58
Speaker 1: which devolved into illegal behavior, you know, property damage, will
1:31:03
Speaker 1: you know, throwing bottles of people, whatever the case may be.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: Then Cranley comes in and says ten pm curfew, ten
1:31:09
Speaker 1: pm curfew is violated. Not in my understanding is that
1:31:13
Speaker 1: the folks were arrested for a curfew violation, not because
1:31:16
Speaker 1: they engaged in criminal activity. You could, of course, you know,
1:31:19
Speaker 1: if you threw a bottle and broke a window, arrest
1:31:21
Speaker 1: them for property damage, that'd be fine and no one
1:31:23
Speaker 1: would settle that. But merely because they were out congregating
1:31:27
Speaker 1: and protesting, speaking their voices about Breonna Taylor and George Floyd,
1:31:32
Speaker 1: they were gathered up and arrested for a curfew violation. Now,
1:31:35
Speaker 1: I don't know that Cranley has the right to trump
1:31:38
Speaker 1: the First Amendment right to freedom of assembly. He can't
1:31:43
Speaker 1: do that. And that's why the curfew that he that
1:31:46
Speaker 1: was issued by the mayor over the summer of evolving
1:31:50
Speaker 1: the teens gathering in Government Square, that contained an exception
1:31:54
Speaker 1: for First Amendment gatherings. So maybe that's what was absent
1:31:58
Speaker 1: from the Cranley proposal. You can't arrest me for being
1:32:01
Speaker 1: out past ten pm if I am engaging in a
1:32:03
Speaker 1: you know, a political protest. That's I think the point
1:32:07
Speaker 1: of the plaintiffs.
1:32:09
Speaker 2: Well, I think the I think the motivation for mister
1:32:13
Speaker 2: Cranley and then the police was that there were criminal
1:32:17
Speaker 2: activity that was spawning from these political protests, and there
1:32:20
Speaker 2: was there was plenty of time and room for political protests.
1:32:23
Speaker 2: Nobody was stopping political protests. We were picking the time
1:32:28
Speaker 2: and the and the groups where there was also criminal
1:32:31
Speaker 2: activity coming out of And Brian, you have to realize this.
1:32:34
Speaker 2: You can't always sit there and pick out in a
1:32:36
Speaker 2: large group, who is it that's just thrown a bottle
1:32:38
Speaker 2: of urine at the cops. When a group has people
1:32:42
Speaker 2: starting to act in that fashion, and citizens are risk
1:32:47
Speaker 2: and cops are at risk. At some point you have
1:32:49
Speaker 2: to take control of the situation. And it's not to
1:32:53
Speaker 2: squaw anybody's first amendments, right, it's it's it's for the
1:32:58
Speaker 2: safety of the citizens. Look, I think a lot of
1:33:00
Speaker 2: these people, even before their twelve thousand dollars, had checked
1:33:03
Speaker 2: stubs from George Soros in our pocket.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: Moreld Well, there.
1:33:08
Speaker 2: Are professional protesters in these groups, and they know what
1:33:11
Speaker 2: they're doing. And part of it they know what they're
1:33:13
Speaker 2: doing is they know that cities like the City of
1:33:15
Speaker 2: Cincinnati are going to settle.
1:33:17
Speaker 1: Roll over. Hold on, we'll continue. We're not done with this,
1:33:20
Speaker 1: and since way over time in this segment, I don't
1:33:22
Speaker 1: want to get the Harry eyeball from Joe, So hold
1:33:24
Speaker 1: on a second. We'll continue with Dan Hills on this
1:33:26
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Speaker 1: President Dan Hills. He was around back in twenty twenty
1:33:43
Speaker 1: when we had the May twenty ninth, riots and protest
1:33:45
Speaker 1: resolving into criminal activity, resulting in the issuance of a
1:33:48
Speaker 1: curfew by John Cranley ten PM curfew resulting in a
1:33:51
Speaker 1: bunch of people getting arrested for curfew violations real quick.
1:33:54
Speaker 1: Since a couple of people instant messaged me about the
1:33:58
Speaker 1: whole idea of the paid protesters, I will acknowledge and
1:34:01
Speaker 1: agree without knowing specifically that there were probably a lot
1:34:03
Speaker 1: of them there. We do have the freedom to travel
1:34:06
Speaker 1: in this country, and I think the fact that they
1:34:09
Speaker 1: had to pay people to show up at any given
1:34:11
Speaker 1: protest is an illustration of the failure. Their message isn't
1:34:14
Speaker 1: what drew the people there. It's the fact that they
1:34:16
Speaker 1: got a check. But that's lawful behavior too, so you
1:34:20
Speaker 1: got to acknowledge that. So they're all there milling around,
1:34:25
Speaker 1: Can you arrest them for milling around? Or do we
1:34:28
Speaker 1: have to As you point out how difficult it is
1:34:30
Speaker 1: to figure out which is the guy who threw the
1:34:31
Speaker 1: bottle of urine, But that's the person that should be
1:34:34
Speaker 1: charged with a crime. Arresting everyone for violating the curfew,
1:34:39
Speaker 1: I think that's where you run a foul. But to
1:34:42
Speaker 1: your point, eight point one million dollars divided by the
1:34:45
Speaker 1: multitudes twelve thousand dollars roughly per person. I guess the
1:34:49
Speaker 1: reason you settle, And I'm not happy about this Dan
1:34:52
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form. But how much money
1:34:56
Speaker 1: might they have gotten if a jury decided the award.
1:34:58
Speaker 1: I think that's why they ended up. Now, maybe the
1:35:01
Speaker 1: mount was a capitulation.
1:35:02
Speaker 2: That's what they're that's what they're reporting why they settled.
1:35:05
Speaker 1: Well, for a long time, a lot of my clients
1:35:09
Speaker 1: agreed to settle over their best belief that they didn't
1:35:13
Speaker 1: do anything wrong because the potential downside outweighed the check
1:35:16
Speaker 1: they had to write.
1:35:19
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not an attorney or a jurist or anything
1:35:23
Speaker 2: myself as as as we debate this, I'm just an eldergred.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: But in my mind, a society has to be able
1:35:31
Speaker 2: to institute emergency orders such as Cranley did. I think
1:35:36
Speaker 2: the police department has to be able to tell a
1:35:38
Speaker 2: crowd to dispersed when there's legal, illegal activity coming out
1:35:42
Speaker 2: of that crowd. Yeah, when the community is had danger
1:35:44
Speaker 2: and the cops are at danger, and the only way
1:35:46
Speaker 2: to enforce that in the end is an arrest. So
1:35:51
Speaker 2: I was down there, I saw all this stuff at
1:35:54
Speaker 2: taking place, I thought, just as Scotty Johnson and the
1:35:59
Speaker 2: Vice mayor, all these people who are voting on this
1:36:02
Speaker 2: settlement are saying that the cops did everything right. I mean,
1:36:05
Speaker 2: I think some of the greatest suffering apparently came from
1:36:08
Speaker 2: when they already were handed off to the county. You
1:36:11
Speaker 2: only asked to basically five thousand dollars because they had
1:36:13
Speaker 2: to wait a long long time and cramp up before
1:36:15
Speaker 2: they could go potty while they were sitting in the sallyport.
1:36:18
Speaker 2: But if I knew I was getting twelve thousand dollars
1:36:20
Speaker 2: cash at the end of it, and you know me
1:36:24
Speaker 2: and Joe wanted to go protest to weather or something
1:36:26
Speaker 2: like that, I'd be filling out my bottles of yurine
1:36:28
Speaker 2: right now, because that's quite the payday for him to
1:36:32
Speaker 2: sit around in May. Now. I don't think I want
1:36:34
Speaker 2: to sit in a sallyport in December, especially not this December.
1:36:38
Speaker 2: But ifting I'm sitting down there, I don't know. I
1:36:42
Speaker 2: believe in the end that this is way too much
1:36:45
Speaker 2: money for way too little of any type of constitutional
1:36:49
Speaker 2: violation by the state in this case, which is the
1:36:52
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati in Hamilton County. They were doing what
1:36:55
Speaker 2: was necessary at the time. John Cranley made the difference
1:36:59
Speaker 2: between what happened in Cincinnati and there I go. When
1:37:03
Speaker 2: I'm preparing my legal brief, one of the things of
1:37:06
Speaker 2: evidence I'm going to bring Brian, is what was happening
1:37:09
Speaker 2: in other cities. There are cities were literally burning down,
1:37:13
Speaker 2: and the City of Cincinnati did it because we got
1:37:15
Speaker 2: pro proactive in stopping these crowds and stuff. It's just
1:37:21
Speaker 2: not as easy as you and I would like it
1:37:24
Speaker 2: to be. We'd like to be able to reach in
1:37:26
Speaker 2: with a crane and pick up the pick up the
1:37:29
Speaker 2: worst actors in a crowd like that, but it doesn't
1:37:32
Speaker 2: work that way. When you're dealing with full large crowds
1:37:34
Speaker 2: and at some point you have to make the decision
1:37:36
Speaker 2: to disperse the crowd, and the crowd doesn't disperse, you
1:37:39
Speaker 2: have to make a rest.
1:37:40
Speaker 1: Okay, And I get all that.
1:37:41
Speaker 2: I believe what we did was just.
1:37:43
Speaker 1: You did what you did was appropriate within the the
1:37:46
Speaker 1: orders that you had and the issuance of what everyone
1:37:48
Speaker 1: thought was a lawful curfew. You followed what the mayor said.
1:37:52
Speaker 1: He instituted the curfew that comes with the possibility of
1:37:56
Speaker 1: arrest if you violated. There's I don't think anyone's pointing
1:37:58
Speaker 1: a finger at you specifically. I think it's the underlying
1:38:02
Speaker 1: curfew that is being challenged. And I don't for a minute.
1:38:07
Speaker 2: Proper do you think or that that's the part I
1:38:09
Speaker 2: don't understand. Was it worded improperly? I think because it
1:38:13
Speaker 2: was well, it was necessary to stop the city from
1:38:16
Speaker 2: ending up like the other places. We didn't want to
1:38:19
Speaker 2: look like Minneapolis. We didn't want to be burning to
1:38:21
Speaker 2: the ground. And and you know, all all hail to
1:38:26
Speaker 2: a Democratic leader at the time, John Cranley, who who
1:38:30
Speaker 2: took the bull by the horns. And if the law
1:38:32
Speaker 2: department prepared his curfew order improperly or if you know,
1:38:38
Speaker 2: somehow it was was put out there where the criminal
1:38:41
Speaker 2: charges we were told to use were not the right
1:38:45
Speaker 2: criminal charges. I didn't see that in any of the
1:38:47
Speaker 2: articles I read. It just sounded like we're going to
1:38:51
Speaker 2: pay these people off because they filed a lawsuit. And
1:38:54
Speaker 2: and if that's what happened, it just invites more of
1:38:58
Speaker 2: this because there will be another reason the tests, like
1:39:00
Speaker 2: you know, nin Joe might protest this weather. There's all reasons,
1:39:05
Speaker 2: and you're down the.
1:39:06
Speaker 1: Road, and you would be allowed to do that. And
1:39:09
Speaker 1: then if you and Joe started throwing urine bottles and
1:39:11
Speaker 1: hitting people, you would be subject to arrest for you know,
1:39:13
Speaker 1: as salt battery or whatever comes along, or whatever charges
1:39:16
Speaker 1: exist for for engaging that type of behavior. But if
1:39:19
Speaker 1: you just standing there screaming about the weather too, that
1:39:23
Speaker 1: was my next question.
1:39:24
Speaker 2: Testing the weather that's too big to pick me and
1:39:26
Speaker 2: Joe out of. Somebody's going to have to do some
1:39:29
Speaker 2: sort of order or something to break up, right, That
1:39:32
Speaker 2: was my next question.
1:39:34
Speaker 1: But that was my next question. The dispersal order. You
1:39:37
Speaker 1: were there were people blocking the streets, preventing people from
1:39:40
Speaker 1: free movement. There you go, then it's a dispersal order.
1:39:43
Speaker 2: Then their way to the expressways.
1:39:45
Speaker 1: Then then you arrest them for free refusal to violate
1:39:48
Speaker 1: a dispersal order and for blocking traffic and other things
1:39:51
Speaker 1: that already exist on the book, as opposed to you're
1:39:53
Speaker 1: being arrested for being not past ten pm.
1:39:58
Speaker 2: I see your point. Once it got past ten pm,
1:40:02
Speaker 2: there's a little thing that comes called darkness that made
1:40:04
Speaker 2: it harder and harder to identify who was it that
1:40:07
Speaker 2: was causing a lot of these issues and lots not
1:40:10
Speaker 2: forget not only what was happening in other cities. We
1:40:13
Speaker 2: had a policeman and got shot. Here in Cincinnati, we
1:40:18
Speaker 2: had a whole whole lot on our hands. And I
1:40:20
Speaker 2: was one of the ones that was there, that was
1:40:22
Speaker 2: also there in two thousand and one, So I saw
1:40:25
Speaker 2: the difference between the two different occurrences. And in two
1:40:30
Speaker 2: thousand and one, things got way out of hand, and
1:40:32
Speaker 2: a lot of people got hurt, really really badly, and
1:40:35
Speaker 2: a lot of businesses got burned, and things happened that
1:40:38
Speaker 2: did not happen because again Cranly made steps and gave
1:40:45
Speaker 2: us orders, and we went out there and enforced them,
1:40:47
Speaker 2: including the curfew. But I was also there, Brian, and
1:40:51
Speaker 2: I saw a whole lot of demonstrations, purely demonstrations. Now, grant,
1:40:57
Speaker 2: they might have been blocking Central Parkway, but we we
1:41:00
Speaker 2: even put up with that so that they could speak
1:41:04
Speaker 2: their voice. Nobody, nobody in their right mind that witnessed
1:41:08
Speaker 2: all that could honestly say that people did not have
1:41:11
Speaker 2: an opportunity to express their First Amendment rights. They expressed them,
1:41:16
Speaker 2: and expressed them and expressed them all along as they
1:41:19
Speaker 2: shouted nastiness at the cops and everything else. There was.
1:41:22
Speaker 2: There was no heavy boot of of you know, some
1:41:27
Speaker 2: communist governments stepping on, stepping on people and saying you
1:41:31
Speaker 2: can't speak. They were able to speak. But when it
1:41:34
Speaker 2: got to the point where we were concerned that that
1:41:38
Speaker 2: there was going to be uh, mass criminal activity, that's
1:41:42
Speaker 2: when that's when that had to be stepped up and
1:41:44
Speaker 2: there had to be arrest. And again, they're playing a
1:41:46
Speaker 2: big boy, big girl's game. A lot of these folks
1:41:49
Speaker 2: were paid protesters, and so they they had to wait
1:41:52
Speaker 2: a long time till they want the potty. I have
1:41:55
Speaker 2: no sympathy for them whatsoever. You're hanging with a group
1:41:58
Speaker 2: like that. If I went down there because I really
1:42:00
Speaker 2: believed in their message and I wanted to demonstrate for
1:42:03
Speaker 2: a while, and then I start to see the activity
1:42:06
Speaker 2: of some of the people around me, and I saw
1:42:09
Speaker 2: the police starting have to gear up because of that activity,
1:42:12
Speaker 2: I would leave. And for those folks who chose not
1:42:16
Speaker 2: to leave, you get caught up in it, I'm sorry,
1:42:19
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the way it went for you. But
1:42:22
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not in a position to argue, you know,
1:42:27
Speaker 2: legal stuff about whether or not the order was put
1:42:29
Speaker 2: out correctly or something like that. The city screwed that up.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: That's not You're not going to see my shock face
1:42:33
Speaker 2: on that.
1:42:35
Speaker 1: And I think that's really all.
1:42:36
Speaker 2: That's all.
1:42:37
Speaker 1: I really think that's all this being addressed is the
1:42:40
Speaker 1: city issued in order that may have Listen, the constitution
1:42:43
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about ending at ten pm your free
1:42:45
Speaker 1: assembly rights. That's I think that's the legal thing behind this.
1:42:48
Speaker 1: You and I can agree all day long, bad things
1:42:50
Speaker 1: were happening, that people were blocking the streets, all of
1:42:52
Speaker 1: which we should have resulted in dispersal order and then
1:42:55
Speaker 1: being perhaps arrested for failure to heed the dispersal warning
1:42:58
Speaker 1: and order. Don't know, it's complicated, it's steeped in legal challenges.
1:43:02
Speaker 1: But let me just observe this real quick as we
1:43:04
Speaker 1: part comedy, Dan Hills, and I appreciate your willingness to
1:43:06
Speaker 1: talk about this. Eight million dollars, as stupid as that
1:43:09
Speaker 1: amount may be and as unsettling as you and I
1:43:12
Speaker 1: might find it considering the money that's going to these people,
1:43:14
Speaker 1: perhaps paid post protesters. I bet the fact that you
1:43:18
Speaker 1: did break the crowd up saved the city a lot
1:43:20
Speaker 1: more than eight point one million dollars in terms of
1:43:22
Speaker 1: the damage that was avoided.
1:43:25
Speaker 13: Right.
1:43:26
Speaker 1: That is good.
1:43:28
Speaker 2: You got me all right.
1:43:29
Speaker 1: Fair enough. If that's what we have to live with,
1:43:31
Speaker 1: that's how we'll get through. At Dan Hills On behalf
1:43:33
Speaker 1: of my listening audience and my family to yours. Very
1:43:36
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas brother. I hope to have you on again
1:43:38
Speaker 1: real soon.
1:43:40
Speaker 8: Yeah.
1:43:40
Speaker 2: Great, Merry Christmas to you and Joe as well.
1:43:42
Speaker 1: Thanks man. Seventy to fifty five KRCD Talk have KARSD
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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Formerly with Freedom Works and Blaze Media, he's
1:43:57
Speaker 1: been with the Competitive Enterprise Institute for a while. His
1:44:00
Speaker 1: name Destri Edwards. He's the media production and studio manager
1:44:03
Speaker 1: with a Competitive Enterprise Institute. As a passion for film
1:44:06
Speaker 1: and politics, he tries to use storytelling as a way
1:44:09
Speaker 1: to bridge the gap between people and policy. And he
1:44:12
Speaker 1: is here to talk about an award winning documentary and
1:44:15
Speaker 1: the timing couldn't be better. Man, Dear mister President, the
1:44:19
Speaker 1: Letters of Julius Sand And while I don't know who
1:44:21
Speaker 1: Julius sand is, you're going to explain that, Destrie. Welcome
1:44:24
Speaker 1: to the fifty five case morning. So I said, the
1:44:26
Speaker 1: timing is great because I literally just got done watching
1:44:28
Speaker 1: Death by Lightning on Netflix. I loved that welcome. It's
1:44:31
Speaker 1: good to have you.
1:44:32
Speaker 5: On Hey, great to talk with you.
1:44:35
Speaker 3: Now.
1:44:35
Speaker 1: Did Death by Lightning? For my listeners who don't know,
1:44:38
Speaker 1: it was about the president James Garfield and how he
1:44:41
Speaker 1: ended up being president and then getting assassinated. It could
1:44:45
Speaker 1: come across as a work of fiction. The story was
1:44:47
Speaker 1: a really cool one, but it really happened. Did that
1:44:51
Speaker 1: series inspire dear mister President, The Letters of Julius sand
1:44:54
Speaker 1: Or was this project a concept you were working on
1:44:57
Speaker 1: or had already completed before that one came out?
1:45:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, it's by the
1:45:03
Speaker 5: timing of things that can look that way. But actually
1:45:05
Speaker 5: I was probably two three months into pre production on
1:45:08
Speaker 5: my documentary when Death by Lighton was announced, so there's
1:45:13
Speaker 5: a pretty good chance they were in the works on
1:45:15
Speaker 5: things behind the scenes before I was. But as far
1:45:18
Speaker 5: as official announcements, I was not aware of it when
1:45:20
Speaker 5: I started.
1:45:20
Speaker 1: So I imagine your documentary or your film, your mister President,
1:45:25
Speaker 1: Letters of Julison. You're getting a lot of extra love
1:45:26
Speaker 1: because people have to be intrigued by the twenty first president,
1:45:31
Speaker 1: Chester Arthur, who succeeded after the assassination of President Garfield.
1:45:34
Speaker 1: He came across as a really really corrupt so and
1:45:38
Speaker 1: so Destri, did they accurately and I will move before
1:45:42
Speaker 1: we move over to your film, did they accurately portray
1:45:44
Speaker 1: his level of corruption in Death by Lightning?
1:45:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's interesting how they did that. So it
1:45:51
Speaker 5: is true that he was a corrupt person coming up
1:45:55
Speaker 5: into the vice presidency and he was not a supportive
1:45:57
Speaker 5: of Vice President. I will say Death by did overplay
1:46:01
Speaker 5: some things. For instance, very like Sport was very like,
1:46:06
Speaker 5: but he never had any of Garfield's cabinet members kidnapped.
1:46:10
Speaker 5: He also never spoke ill of Garfield to the press.
1:46:15
Speaker 5: He else didn't try to resign at that point either.
1:46:18
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of things that overplays, but the
1:46:21
Speaker 5: general concept is true. He definitely was. He definitely had
1:46:25
Speaker 5: a corrupt past with the spoils system coming into.
1:46:27
Speaker 2: All of this.
1:46:28
Speaker 1: And again Death by Lightning really revealed the New York
1:46:31
Speaker 1: political machine for what it was, which was very, very powerful,
1:46:35
Speaker 1: and Chester Arthur part of that, and one would have
1:46:37
Speaker 1: expected him to sort of continue that level of corruption.
1:46:41
Speaker 1: But as I believe you point out, and dear mister President,
1:46:43
Speaker 1: the letter of Julius Sand, that didn't it didn't turn
1:46:45
Speaker 1: out that way. He actually turned out to be a
1:46:47
Speaker 1: bit of a reformer. Playing into that Julia Sand. Who
1:46:51
Speaker 1: was Julius Sand and how did she become so influential
1:46:54
Speaker 1: on how his presidency turned out?
1:46:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, So drawing back to death by lightning again, as
1:47:00
Speaker 5: you have seen in the final episode of Garfield's wife,
1:47:04
Speaker 5: Lucretia speaks to Arthur in that episode and he gives
1:47:10
Speaker 5: like a quick speech encouraging him to step up and
1:47:13
Speaker 5: reform himself. So that never happened in real life. He
1:47:17
Speaker 5: never had that kind of conversation with Christia Garfield. But
1:47:21
Speaker 5: what the filmmakers did there actually drew those words of
1:47:24
Speaker 5: a paraphrase from what Julius Sand had written. So after
1:47:27
Speaker 5: Garfield was shot by Charles Guiteau, the country was fearful
1:47:33
Speaker 5: about what was happening. Arthur was also fearful because he
1:47:36
Speaker 5: had no intention of becoming president. He had never wanted that.
1:47:39
Speaker 5: He felt fully unqualified to be the president. And so
1:47:43
Speaker 5: a few weeks into Garfield being on his deathbed as
1:47:46
Speaker 5: everyone was fearing that he would pass aways. Of course,
1:47:49
Speaker 5: she eventually did. This woman Julius sand who was just
1:47:53
Speaker 5: a normal constituent from New York City, she started writing Arthur.
1:47:58
Speaker 5: She wrote to Arthur and encouraged well. She started out
1:48:01
Speaker 5: by telling him that, Hey, people are about in grief,
1:48:04
Speaker 5: but do you realize it not so much because See
1:48:07
Speaker 5: is dying, but because you were a successor. And that's
1:48:10
Speaker 5: kind of I imagine a gut punch to anybody reading that.
1:48:13
Speaker 5: But she went on also to encourage him, telling him, Hey,
1:48:15
Speaker 5: I'm not asking to her, is up to you to resign.
1:48:18
Speaker 5: I'm asking you to her reform and be better, to
1:48:21
Speaker 5: be the president that this country needs you to be.
1:48:23
Speaker 5: And she continued writing those letters. She wrote twenty three
1:48:26
Speaker 5: letters to him over the next couple of years, being
1:48:29
Speaker 5: a conscience to him, giving him admonishment for things to
1:48:32
Speaker 5: do wrong or might be wrong, but also give him
1:48:34
Speaker 5: encouragement that she believed he could rise to the occasion.
1:48:37
Speaker 1: Well, I find it fascinating, you know, my listeners and
1:48:41
Speaker 1: I struggle regularly with you know, reaching out to our politicians,
1:48:44
Speaker 1: you know, call to action, call your congressman, call to action,
1:48:46
Speaker 1: call your senator, send him an email, send him a letter.
1:48:49
Speaker 1: No one believes that works. I'm just surprised that the
1:48:53
Speaker 1: president of the United States. And granted the population was
1:48:55
Speaker 1: much smaller, and I don't know how many people actually
1:48:57
Speaker 1: wrote the president, but how is it that she was
1:49:00
Speaker 1: able to get his attention and have such a profound
1:49:03
Speaker 1: impact on it?
1:49:04
Speaker 2: Was?
1:49:04
Speaker 1: It was? It kind of a unique thing for someone
1:49:06
Speaker 1: to reach out. What caused him to be to gravitate
1:49:10
Speaker 1: and take what she had to say by way of
1:49:11
Speaker 1: recommendation to heart.
1:49:14
Speaker 5: It's a good question. So even in her first letter,
1:49:17
Speaker 5: she assumes that he's received other letters like this, and
1:49:21
Speaker 5: maybe he did. We don't have any record of any
1:49:24
Speaker 5: other letters he at least nothing else that he kept.
1:49:27
Speaker 5: He kept all of her letters, but he did nothing
1:49:29
Speaker 5: from anyone else. And as I was doing this story
1:49:32
Speaker 5: and talked with several historians who have broad knowledge of
1:49:36
Speaker 5: the presidency, I was asking them, Hey, do you know
1:49:39
Speaker 5: any other story like this where a president was influenced
1:49:43
Speaker 5: in this way by just a normal constituent, And no
1:49:47
Speaker 5: historian I talked to had any other example of this level.
1:49:50
Speaker 5: Like the closest thing I make a point to was
1:49:53
Speaker 5: a Lincoln growing a beard, which looks cool, But that's
1:49:57
Speaker 5: a set of choice. This is a unique situation in
1:50:00
Speaker 5: history that we're looking at here, but there's no reason
1:50:03
Speaker 5: it has to be unique. I think that's part of
1:50:06
Speaker 5: the lesson here, is that we assume that we have
1:50:10
Speaker 5: no influence on our elected leaders that we actually do.
1:50:13
Speaker 1: Now, did she have some unique political insight? Was she
1:50:16
Speaker 1: connected in any way, because apparently she had a sufficient
1:50:20
Speaker 1: knowledge of the corruption in how he should reform himself
1:50:24
Speaker 1: and move away from that corrupt New York political machine
1:50:26
Speaker 1: that he was part of. I mean, what was she
1:50:29
Speaker 1: unique in some regard in terms of her knowledge? I
1:50:31
Speaker 1: guess I'm just wondering how she was able to push
1:50:33
Speaker 1: his button.
1:50:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean she her family was decently well off,
1:50:39
Speaker 5: but they had no political connections whatsoever. She would she
1:50:42
Speaker 5: herself was actually fairly sickly and didn't get out of
1:50:46
Speaker 5: the house an exceptional amount of time, and when she
1:50:49
Speaker 5: did it really took the energy out of her. She
1:50:53
Speaker 5: read the newspapers, but she wasn't informed in some kind
1:50:56
Speaker 5: of way beyond that, like some kind of insight source.
1:50:59
Speaker 5: So she, you know, didn't know more than an average
1:51:01
Speaker 5: person could have.
1:51:03
Speaker 1: So what policies that Chester Arthur embraced and during his
1:51:07
Speaker 1: period of reform moving away from his prior corruption, what
1:51:10
Speaker 1: policies did he embrace that you can trace directly to
1:51:13
Speaker 1: the recommendations of Julia.
1:51:14
Speaker 5: Sand Yeah, so the biggest thing we can look at
1:51:19
Speaker 5: is the Peneltan Act. That was a reference to the
1:51:24
Speaker 5: end of death by lightning, which is kind of an
1:51:26
Speaker 5: interesting arc for Arthur himself because that goes against his
1:51:30
Speaker 5: entire career. At that point, he had been at the
1:51:33
Speaker 5: head of the spoil system where people get government jobs
1:51:36
Speaker 5: not based on their qualifications but based on political favors
1:51:40
Speaker 5: and who they knew and who they had helped in
1:51:42
Speaker 5: the past, regardless to whether or not they had qualification
1:51:45
Speaker 5: for their job. And so the Penlan Act is what
1:51:48
Speaker 5: kind of started the path away from that to make
1:51:52
Speaker 5: actual qualifications and this wasn't about the political favors being
1:51:56
Speaker 5: paid out. I don't know if his necessarily some much
1:52:00
Speaker 5: throughout Julius Hand's letters in Arthur's career that he did
1:52:04
Speaker 5: things specifically because Julius Fan asked him to. More so,
1:52:08
Speaker 5: she was kind of a conscience to him and.
1:52:12
Speaker 15: Was giving him.
1:52:14
Speaker 5: Support to Hey, this is what the people want, this
1:52:16
Speaker 5: is what you are capable of doing. So there were
1:52:20
Speaker 5: things like that, I think chief among them, as well
1:52:24
Speaker 5: as the first Chinese Exclusion Act. The Second Chinese Exclusion
1:52:29
Speaker 5: Act is a different matter that we discussed in the documentary,
1:52:32
Speaker 5: but there are things like that as well as some
1:52:34
Speaker 5: different corruption investigations where she would encourage him to, hey,
1:52:39
Speaker 5: make sure your administration moves forward.
1:52:41
Speaker 1: The right way on this, I guess I'm kind of
1:52:44
Speaker 1: curious did he not have advisors and other elected officials
1:52:49
Speaker 1: around him who might have been offering similar suggestions that
1:52:51
Speaker 1: Julius sand was offering. And I just find it so
1:52:55
Speaker 1: unusual that some lone voice in the wilderness was able
1:52:59
Speaker 1: to impact him in such a profound way that he
1:53:02
Speaker 1: wasn't surrounded by other people who might have influenced them
1:53:04
Speaker 1: in the same way.
1:53:08
Speaker 5: I think, particularly in the beginning when he was still
1:53:10
Speaker 5: a vice president and Garfield was dying. Arthur's wife had
1:53:16
Speaker 5: died just the year before. He didn't really have any clothes, like,
1:53:20
Speaker 5: he didn't really have any close family other than that.
1:53:22
Speaker 5: I mean, he had his children, but that's not really
1:53:25
Speaker 5: that was a different scenario. And then his friends were
1:53:29
Speaker 5: all the people in the political machine. So they in
1:53:32
Speaker 5: this moment where the machines understrut scrutiny, they weren't really
1:53:35
Speaker 5: people he could go to for this kind of support.
1:53:39
Speaker 5: So he was kind of isolated at the time of
1:53:41
Speaker 5: Garfield's assassination, and that he was at this point where
1:53:45
Speaker 5: he really needed somebody to reach out to him and
1:53:49
Speaker 5: be encouragement to him and point him in the right direction.
1:53:52
Speaker 5: And just what Julius Hand was able to be. And
1:53:56
Speaker 5: as his administration kind of took off, all of Garfield's
1:54:01
Speaker 5: appointees didn't trust him and end up all resigning. So
1:54:05
Speaker 5: the entire cabinet over the course of a couple of months,
1:54:08
Speaker 5: leaves office with the exception of one person, and so
1:54:11
Speaker 5: he has to rebuild the cabinet basically from scratch. And
1:54:14
Speaker 5: so in that time he's kind of loss for advisors
1:54:17
Speaker 5: and they lost for allies, and so Julius Sand's voice
1:54:21
Speaker 5: kind of stands out because of that.
1:54:23
Speaker 1: That's just so intriguing. Now, how is this will reveal
1:54:26
Speaker 1: my honest political ignorance with regard to Chester A or
1:54:29
Speaker 1: Chester Arthur's presidency. How is he remembered at least in
1:54:32
Speaker 1: terms of his presidency overall? Is he looked on with
1:54:36
Speaker 1: favor or one of the more overlooked presidents. I mean,
1:54:40
Speaker 1: how do you sort of I know it's a subjective measure,
1:54:43
Speaker 1: but how do you rank him in terms of his
1:54:45
Speaker 1: success as president considering the level of corruption he was
1:54:48
Speaker 1: involved with before he became president.
1:54:51
Speaker 5: That's a great question. So this is probably changing now
1:54:55
Speaker 5: because of death by Lightning and him being a major
1:54:57
Speaker 5: character in that. But before the show of these, he
1:55:00
Speaker 5: has been consistently ranked as the least known US president
1:55:04
Speaker 5: of history.
1:55:06
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, that made you feel better. He made
1:55:09
Speaker 1: me feel better.
1:55:11
Speaker 5: But as far as people actually look at the achievements,
1:55:16
Speaker 5: I mean the biggest thing being the Penalton Act, which
1:55:19
Speaker 5: I would say, you know, there are presidents who have
1:55:22
Speaker 5: made some negative choices on civil service reforms since them,
1:55:28
Speaker 5: but I think it's pretty easy for all sides to
1:55:31
Speaker 5: be able to look at Arthur's reform and say, yeah,
1:55:32
Speaker 5: that was a good direction he was taking this. So
1:55:35
Speaker 5: I think that civil service reform, when you look at
1:55:39
Speaker 5: his record, as the major key cornerstone of what he
1:55:42
Speaker 5: was able to accomplish, and despite all the evidence, like
1:55:45
Speaker 5: if you look at this, you know, if you're looking
1:55:47
Speaker 5: for someone to vote for in a primary or general election.
1:55:50
Speaker 5: Looked at this person's past, all the coruestion they've been
1:55:53
Speaker 5: involved in. Plus not a good vice president either. He's
1:55:56
Speaker 5: not the person you would say, yes, this is going
1:55:58
Speaker 5: to be a good president, guy at the back. But
1:56:01
Speaker 5: he actually did end up being a good president. And
1:56:04
Speaker 5: even people like Mark Twain were saying, and Mark Twain
1:56:07
Speaker 5: not someone who was eager to just give, you know,
1:56:10
Speaker 5: praise to politicians, acknowledge that, hey, like it would be
1:56:14
Speaker 5: hard to do better than Arthur's presidency.
1:56:16
Speaker 1: How about that? Well, I've learned a lot and I
1:56:19
Speaker 1: know it's going to it's a great companion piece for
1:56:21
Speaker 1: those who've seen Death by Lightning or haven't seen it.
1:56:23
Speaker 1: I'll encourage him to watch it. I just thought it
1:56:25
Speaker 1: was a great story to tell. But also you get
1:56:27
Speaker 1: a little insight into who Chester A. Arthur was, and
1:56:29
Speaker 1: that'll segue perfectly into Destri Edwards film. Dear Mister President,
1:56:33
Speaker 1: The Letters of Julius Sand Should my listeners be inspired
1:56:37
Speaker 1: by Julius Sand in the sense that, yes, it's worth
1:56:39
Speaker 1: it to take the time to write that letter and
1:56:42
Speaker 1: offer your suggestions.
1:56:46
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I would say, obviously things are different today
1:56:49
Speaker 5: than they were in the eighteen eighties. So the methodology
1:56:53
Speaker 5: might be different, it might not be a letter of
1:56:55
Speaker 5: maybe it is, but I would say the big takeaway
1:56:59
Speaker 5: there is people do have a voice. You are able
1:57:02
Speaker 5: to impact your critical representatives around you, whether that's the president,
1:57:07
Speaker 5: whether that's your senator, whether that's your mayor. But be involved,
1:57:12
Speaker 5: be an encouragement. Don't just be there to slam them.
1:57:15
Speaker 5: Like you can, be honest, but you know if you're
1:57:18
Speaker 5: you're going to listen to you, if you're going to
1:57:20
Speaker 5: encourage in the right direction, not just beat up on them.
1:57:23
Speaker 5: Be tactical as far as exactly. Yes. And for people
1:57:27
Speaker 5: who are interested in seeing the film, it's available now
1:57:30
Speaker 5: on YouTube. So all you have to do is just
1:57:32
Speaker 5: look up dear mister President, The Letters of Julius Sand
1:57:35
Speaker 5: or look up the organization Competitive Enterprise Institute, and you
1:57:38
Speaker 5: know you will find it there for free on YouTube.
1:57:40
Speaker 1: Competitive Enterprisidency to CEI dot org. YouTube is a place
1:57:43
Speaker 1: to find the movie, Dear mister President, The Letters of
1:57:45
Speaker 1: Julius sand I'm going to watch it today because again
1:57:48
Speaker 1: fascinated by death by lightning, destri Edwards filmmaker. I really
1:57:52
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking with you today and thanks for you know,
1:57:53
Speaker 1: filling in the blanks on the obvious questions we all
1:57:56
Speaker 1: had after watching Death Black Lightning. This is perfect timing.
1:57:59
Speaker 15: Man really is well.
1:58:02
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, being great to talk with you.
1:58:03
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure having you on the show. Sir,
1:58:05
Speaker 1: get on YouTube. Check it out, dear mister President, the
1:58:08
Speaker 1: letters of Julius saying take care of destry. It's been
1:58:10
Speaker 1: a pleasure stick around. I heard media aviation expert Jay
1:58:12
Speaker 1: right lyft coming up. It's eight twenty right now, I
1:58:14
Speaker 1: fifty five KCD talk station fifty five krc A twenty
1:58:18
Speaker 1: nine on a Thursday of love this time of week.
1:58:20
Speaker 1: I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff joins us every
1:58:23
Speaker 1: week to talk aviation issues when we're not talking stocks. Right, Jay,
1:58:27
Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. Love having you on the show.
1:58:29
Speaker 7: I will talk about either one of them my friends,
1:58:31
Speaker 7: but it's it's always good, always good to be here.
1:58:35
Speaker 1: Jay always follows up the segment sometime in the morning,
1:58:37
Speaker 1: like an hour from now. He's say, look, I'm made
1:58:39
Speaker 1: eight grand today. It took me five minutes.
1:58:43
Speaker 7: Actually I'm using I'm using a stock as we speak,
1:58:46
Speaker 7: so they can do anything with it for the end
1:58:47
Speaker 7: of the segment. I'll let you know.
1:58:50
Speaker 1: It only takes you a couple of minutes to turn
1:58:52
Speaker 1: it around. I like the report you.
1:58:54
Speaker 7: That's Brian. When I tell people that I I reduce
1:58:59
Speaker 7: the risk of my stock trading by day trading, they
1:59:02
Speaker 7: look at me like I'm nuts. But if you can
1:59:04
Speaker 7: take a small bit of it, put it in the
1:59:06
Speaker 7: market for you know, eight ten minutes at a time,
1:59:09
Speaker 7: you're reducing your risk big time and that's better protecting
1:59:12
Speaker 7: your portfolio. So to me, that's the way to do it.
1:59:15
Speaker 7: I'm not a part of the long term by holding
1:59:18
Speaker 7: prey crowd. And now the last six weeks, I think
1:59:20
Speaker 7: I'm averaging seven thousand dollars a week. So look, Northwest
1:59:25
Speaker 7: Airlines didn't pay me that. Ye, I mean it's worth it.
1:59:30
Speaker 7: But I know, I know, I know how corporate America is, right,
1:59:34
Speaker 7: I do care what we think.
1:59:36
Speaker 1: You don't care, and Southwest Airlines, I guess, is not
1:59:38
Speaker 1: going to be cunning an eleven million dollar check. What's
1:59:40
Speaker 1: the story on this? I know it's I know you're
1:59:42
Speaker 1: really pleased about this outcome, so you.
1:59:44
Speaker 7: Had and you just had to start with this one.
1:59:46
Speaker 2: Right.
1:59:47
Speaker 7: Let's get Jay's blood pressure up. Southwest Airlines two Christmases ago.
1:59:51
Speaker 7: It was the week of twenty twenty three Christmas week
1:59:54
Speaker 7: they had a computer meltdown. I mean, no other way
1:59:57
Speaker 7: to put it. The computer system that we later found
1:59:59
Speaker 7: out was last updated in like I dont on nineteen ninety four,
2:00:03
Speaker 7: had crashed. This is a computer system for scheduling that
2:00:07
Speaker 7: was developed right, I think at a time when Southwest
2:00:09
Speaker 7: was a third of the size of what they are now.
2:00:12
Speaker 7: So the Department Transportation under the Biden administration stepped in
2:00:15
Speaker 7: and said, time out here, you really dropped the ball
2:00:19
Speaker 7: with regards to your customers. We're finding you thirty five
2:00:22
Speaker 7: million dollars. They were holding the airlines accountable. I was thrilled,
2:00:26
Speaker 7: and look, Southwest is a great airline, but when you
2:00:29
Speaker 7: don't devote the resources that your employees need, yeah, you've
2:00:32
Speaker 7: got to pay for it. So Southwest has paid twenty
2:00:34
Speaker 7: four million of that. The next payment of eleven million
2:00:37
Speaker 7: was due in next month in January, and the U. S.
2:00:40
Speaker 7: Department Transportation stepped in said, you know what, You've already
2:00:43
Speaker 7: paid enough. You don't need to pay any more. You
2:00:46
Speaker 7: promise never to do it again. It's going to be okay,
2:00:49
Speaker 7: just forget about that last of eleven million dollars. Now, yeah,
2:00:53
Speaker 7: that bothers me a great deal. But this is the
2:00:55
Speaker 7: trend of the Trump administration, which I'm a big fan
2:00:59
Speaker 7: of with regards to the treatment with the airline industry.
2:01:02
Speaker 7: The airlines almost get a free pass. Not from a
2:01:04
Speaker 7: safety related standpoint, Don't get me wrong there, because the
2:01:07
Speaker 7: FAA is still doing their job there trying to keep
2:01:09
Speaker 7: everything safe as they can. But Brian, it just it
2:01:12
Speaker 7: drives me out of my mind. When we've got a situation,
2:01:16
Speaker 7: when you have just time after time after time of
2:01:21
Speaker 7: having a situation where you've got this ongoing issue of
2:01:26
Speaker 7: airlines getting away with what they do. It just it
2:01:28
Speaker 7: drives me crazy.
2:01:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. So this was a proprietary software
2:01:33
Speaker 1: that Southwest itself developed, yes, okay, part of their system.
2:01:38
Speaker 7: And I can't remember if it was the the flight
2:01:40
Speaker 7: control system, not flight control system, but if it was
2:01:43
Speaker 7: a crew management system or something they were using for
2:01:46
Speaker 7: their flight control as far as the using that, but
2:01:51
Speaker 7: it was a system that was woefully outdated and over
2:01:54
Speaker 7: the years Southwest has had issues with this. But Brian,
2:01:57
Speaker 7: they have an all star team at Southwest and every
2:02:00
Speaker 7: single time the men and women would find a way
2:02:02
Speaker 7: to pull it out. They would rise to the occasion
2:02:05
Speaker 7: and save the day. And sadly, that's what worked against
2:02:08
Speaker 7: Southwest Airlines because they could always rely on that happening. Well,
2:02:12
Speaker 7: it just got to the point where it was just
2:02:13
Speaker 7: too much, too quick, and there was no way they
2:02:16
Speaker 7: could get past it. And yeah, you had a lot
2:02:18
Speaker 7: of passengers that were, in essence, put in a situation
2:02:23
Speaker 7: over the busy Christmas seat travel season. All the flights
2:02:26
Speaker 7: were filled. Where you gonna put them? I mean, you've
2:02:27
Speaker 7: got a flight of one hundred and fifty three people
2:02:29
Speaker 7: just canceled. Every single flight around, just full. I don't
2:02:32
Speaker 7: know where you're gonna put them.
2:02:34
Speaker 1: I understand the reason for the fine. Then that becomes
2:02:36
Speaker 1: crystal clear, Unlike, for example, if it was the outdated,
2:02:40
Speaker 1: ancient air traffic control system. So when's the federal government
2:02:43
Speaker 1: going to find itself for not improving that one?
2:02:45
Speaker 7: Oh, they'll find it and then they'll wave the fine
2:02:47
Speaker 7: and will all feel better because they find themselves. That's
2:02:50
Speaker 7: how it works.
2:02:51
Speaker 1: I learned that from you, brother, Amen. And meanwhile, there
2:02:55
Speaker 1: they're busily scrambling around looking for five and a quarter
2:02:57
Speaker 1: its floppy disk to keep the thing up and run.
2:03:00
Speaker 7: Uh seven seven Still yeah, still are at a at
2:03:05
Speaker 7: a point where they do get their updates through that.
2:03:08
Speaker 1: So yes, indeed, I'll tell you what. Rather than go
2:03:10
Speaker 1: extra long and draw the hairy eyeball from executive producer
2:03:12
Speaker 1: Joe Strecker, will pause right now, we'll bring you back.
2:03:14
Speaker 1: We'll find out about this Quantus flight which is given
2:03:18
Speaker 1: faulty load and balanced numbers before takeoff. That sounds frightening.
2:03:21
Speaker 1: Plus Tampa Airport award bonuses to some workers, et cetera.
2:03:25
Speaker 1: We got multiple topics to go over with. I heart
2:03:27
Speaker 1: media aviation Expert Jay Ratlet's stick around right back, fifty
2:03:30
Speaker 1: five KRC Champion Windows seasons, the talk Spatial. Have you
2:03:35
Speaker 1: ever been in the cockpit before Jay Ratliff, has I
2:03:38
Speaker 1: heard Media Aviation Expert. We had the pleasure of his
2:03:41
Speaker 1: company every Thursday for a few segments. Segment number two here,
2:03:45
Speaker 1: this one's kind of weird. I don't know how this
2:03:47
Speaker 1: works in terms of the load distribution on a plight
2:03:50
Speaker 1: on a flight, but apparently you have to watch that
2:03:52
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. What happened with this Quantus flight, Well,
2:03:56
Speaker 1: we had we.
2:03:57
Speaker 7: Had a situation where you know Quantus, which is known
2:04:00
Speaker 7: as what the safest airline in the world. Yeah, that's
2:04:06
Speaker 7: absolutely the case. What ended up happening was that the
2:04:10
Speaker 7: crew was given the detail. Well, what we're hearing is
2:04:15
Speaker 7: a Quantus flight in December took off with fifty one
2:04:18
Speaker 7: more passengers than were reported. Now, the weight and balance
2:04:22
Speaker 7: calculations for each flight are exact, I mean, to the
2:04:25
Speaker 7: last pound, and a lot of times, if there's bad weather,
2:04:28
Speaker 7: the crew can say, you know what, we could use
2:04:30
Speaker 7: some extra fuel because we may have encounter delays. So
2:04:34
Speaker 7: since we've got a lighter load, let's go ahead and
2:04:37
Speaker 7: put on some more fuel. And the problem is you
2:04:39
Speaker 7: could then exceed your maximum allowable takeoff weight, and you've
2:04:43
Speaker 7: got a problem because they had ten pounds of extra
2:04:47
Speaker 7: weight they did not know about. Now, they could have
2:04:50
Speaker 7: also said, since we have a lighter load, let's take
2:04:53
Speaker 7: off from a shorter runway. So yeah, just the the
2:04:58
Speaker 7: ramifications of this being off this much could have been
2:05:02
Speaker 7: could have been tragic, could have been horrific. Now, the
2:05:04
Speaker 7: crew did taxi, they took off, there was no problem,
2:05:07
Speaker 7: and it wasn't until they were airborne that they realized.
2:05:10
Speaker 7: When they were told what had taken place. So as
2:05:13
Speaker 7: a result, you know, Quantas is investigating. They're trying to
2:05:17
Speaker 7: look at this, trying to see exactly what's taken place
2:05:20
Speaker 7: so that they can try to avoid this kind of
2:05:22
Speaker 7: mistake from happening. In the airline industry, as you and
2:05:24
Speaker 7: I have talked about forever, constantly shares mistakes so that
2:05:29
Speaker 7: people at other airlines can learn from what took place
2:05:31
Speaker 7: at Quantas, so that they can make sure they can
2:05:33
Speaker 7: take necessary steps to try to reduce the likelihood of
2:05:37
Speaker 7: that you know, taken effects so horrific.
2:05:41
Speaker 1: Cum Yeah, the airline, the flight ended up with fifty
2:05:46
Speaker 1: one more people than originally expected.
2:05:48
Speaker 2: Is that?
2:05:48
Speaker 1: Is that what I understand?
2:05:50
Speaker 7: Know, then the manifest showed let's say that they were
2:05:52
Speaker 7: expecting two hundred and fifty one people. The paperwork showed
2:05:56
Speaker 7: two hundred, so that two hundred people boarded, but they
2:05:58
Speaker 7: really had two hundred and fifty one, So the manifest
2:06:02
Speaker 7: itself didn't match with what they had. And you give
2:06:05
Speaker 7: the crew the total number of passengers, the bags, the cargo,
2:06:09
Speaker 7: all the stuff, so that they can compute what their
2:06:13
Speaker 7: maximum takeoff weight's going to be, and it dictates everything
2:06:16
Speaker 7: that they do on the flight deck. So when that's off,
2:06:19
Speaker 7: then the most critical moment of flight takeoff has been
2:06:23
Speaker 7: in essence compromised if you're not careful. So that's one
2:06:26
Speaker 7: of the reasons that so often, you know, we tend
2:06:30
Speaker 7: to overlook sometimes just how good flight crews are and
2:06:34
Speaker 7: all the inner workings of what goes on in the
2:06:36
Speaker 7: airline industry, and it's got to be exact, and sadly,
2:06:40
Speaker 7: in this case for some reason, yeah, they through ten
2:06:43
Speaker 7: thousand extra pounds on the aircraft and passengers and bags,
2:06:47
Speaker 7: and the flight crew is unaware they were operating on
2:06:52
Speaker 7: a different set of data.
2:06:53
Speaker 1: It seems unusual to me, just based on all the
2:06:55
Speaker 1: stories that you've talked about in this segment over the years,
2:06:58
Speaker 1: that they would rely on the manifest and determining how
2:07:01
Speaker 1: much extra fuel in this case they could put on
2:07:04
Speaker 1: the plane, because well, listen, there's always a scramble at
2:07:06
Speaker 1: the end, people coming up in the gate lay, they
2:07:08
Speaker 1: buy a ticket last minute, some people don't show up,
2:07:10
Speaker 1: they overbook a flight, in which case I imagine they
2:07:12
Speaker 1: wouldn't add extra fuel. But just to rely on that
2:07:15
Speaker 1: manifest and not rely on a head count, that just seems, well, no, what.
2:07:18
Speaker 7: The crew gets is exact. So the people at the
2:07:22
Speaker 7: gate may be expecting three hundred people, but if one
2:07:24
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty three get on board, that's the number
2:07:27
Speaker 7: of the crew uses the crew's given exact numbers. We
2:07:29
Speaker 7: have one hundred and eighty three souls on board. You've
2:07:32
Speaker 7: got all of that stuff squared away so that everybody's
2:07:34
Speaker 7: operating from the same you know, the same thing. The
2:07:37
Speaker 7: problem was what was put on the airplane. The information
2:07:42
Speaker 7: gave the pilots was ten thousand pounds off. It was
2:07:44
Speaker 7: an operation issue where they did not Yeah, and that
2:07:48
Speaker 7: was really the problem.
2:07:50
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the horror that you know, I can
2:07:53
Speaker 1: imagine might happen as a consequence of this. You know,
2:07:55
Speaker 1: the planes' is not going to have lift off, right,
2:07:57
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that really what you're talking about?
2:07:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean remember the horrific comm air crash in
2:08:02
Speaker 7: Lexington that happened because the crew took off on the
2:08:06
Speaker 7: wrong runway which was too short. And yeah, I mean,
2:08:10
Speaker 7: had Quantas done something like that where they needed more
2:08:13
Speaker 7: run Brian, It's just it's you know, flying is incredibly
2:08:18
Speaker 7: incredibly safe. My apologies to anybody who's on their way
2:08:21
Speaker 7: to the airport right now, because it's not like something
2:08:24
Speaker 7: that happens. But you know, when you have the number
2:08:27
Speaker 7: of flights that we have in the course of the day,
2:08:28
Speaker 7: and you have eight or ten million people a day
2:08:30
Speaker 7: that are flying worldwide, how often do we talk about
2:08:33
Speaker 7: an accident that takes place? Very very rarely do we.
2:08:37
Speaker 7: And that's a result of the training that the crews have,
2:08:40
Speaker 7: the incredible equipment that we have, and you know, just
2:08:44
Speaker 7: all the things that go on behind the scenes to
2:08:46
Speaker 7: keep things safe. But one of the things we have
2:08:48
Speaker 7: to have is a very exact count of everything that's
2:08:51
Speaker 7: on the airplane so that the crew at the last
2:08:54
Speaker 7: moment can do their weight and balance calculations they can
2:08:56
Speaker 7: go from there. A lot of times with those comm
2:08:58
Speaker 7: air jets would have a situation with those fifty passengers,
2:09:02
Speaker 7: which were great to have, but boy, they were painting
2:09:04
Speaker 7: the butt because if you had a long flight with
2:09:06
Speaker 7: a lot of fuel, you'd have to leave four or
2:09:09
Speaker 7: five people off the plane because of the weight and
2:09:11
Speaker 7: balance requirements because they had to take extra fuel. Or
2:09:14
Speaker 7: you could take all the passengers and no bags, or
2:09:17
Speaker 7: you could take forty seven people in some of the
2:09:20
Speaker 7: bags I mean were there was always this tight rope. Now,
2:09:23
Speaker 7: the bigger the airplane gets, the more relaxed you can
2:09:27
Speaker 7: be on that where the airplane is going to be
2:09:28
Speaker 7: able to be big enough that it can take everything
2:09:31
Speaker 7: that you have, but those weight and balance numbers that
2:09:34
Speaker 7: you give to the crew have to be exact.
2:09:36
Speaker 1: So yeah, well it just reminds me that the de
2:09:41
Speaker 1: icing the winging thing. Since we're getting a big winter
2:09:42
Speaker 1: storm tonight. You know, my dad and I were on
2:09:44
Speaker 1: that flight bringing the Bengals back from Denver long long
2:09:47
Speaker 1: time ago, and we sat on the runway in this
2:09:50
Speaker 1: snow and it kept snowing. We kept sitting there and
2:09:52
Speaker 1: sitting there, and sitting there and sitting there. My dad
2:09:54
Speaker 1: has this just pale white, you know, power to him,
2:09:57
Speaker 1: and he's kind of holding onto this armrest. We finally
2:10:00
Speaker 1: took off. I'm like, Dad, what is wrong with you?
2:10:02
Speaker 1: He said, they didn't de ice the wings. They didn't
2:10:04
Speaker 1: de ice the wings, and I was like, what are
2:10:06
Speaker 1: you talking about. So explained me the icing procedures and
2:10:08
Speaker 1: apparently there's a time limit that you have to follow
2:10:10
Speaker 1: and you're going to get the ice the wings. I'm
2:10:12
Speaker 1: on a flight several many years later, same situation, sitting
2:10:15
Speaker 1: on the runway and this this it's kind of a
2:10:17
Speaker 1: sleety snow coming down. And I just looked at the stewardess.
2:10:20
Speaker 1: I said, is the pilot going to have the wings
2:10:22
Speaker 1: the ice before we take off? And she goes, oh,
2:10:24
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. The pilot knows what he's doing.
2:10:26
Speaker 1: And then you know, five minutes later she disappears, and
2:10:28
Speaker 1: then the captain comes on, we're going to be taking
2:10:31
Speaker 1: a brief break to pull over and have the wings
2:10:33
Speaker 1: the ice. And I always think that I was responsible
2:10:35
Speaker 1: for getting the wings the ice because my dad brought
2:10:37
Speaker 1: that to my attention. He didn't say a word.
2:10:40
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, and you've got to be aware of that,
2:10:43
Speaker 7: because Brian, it's just it's a critical thing. And I've
2:10:46
Speaker 7: said before, if you really want to have a lot
2:10:48
Speaker 7: of fun on a plane you're not on you can
2:10:51
Speaker 7: go to YouTube and look up. I think it's a
2:10:54
Speaker 7: Russian aircraft that is taking off and it has, like,
2:10:57
Speaker 7: I don't know, a put of snow on the wing.
2:10:59
Speaker 1: Oh lord, yes, how can you get lift?
2:11:04
Speaker 7: How that airplane got off the ground? I tell you this,
2:11:06
Speaker 7: I would have been the next aviation story because I
2:11:09
Speaker 7: had I been anywhere near an exit, I would have
2:11:11
Speaker 7: been out the door before they pressurize that aircraft to
2:11:14
Speaker 7: get out of there, because there's no way I would
2:11:17
Speaker 7: have been on that aircraft.
2:11:18
Speaker 1: All right, food for thought for people who are flying
2:11:21
Speaker 1: later in the evening.
2:11:21
Speaker 7: Again, apologies, get I get lots of fun emails like
2:11:26
Speaker 7: stop it.
2:11:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, yeah, And I'm no huge
2:11:29
Speaker 1: fan of flag anyway, let's pause, ring Jay Back. I
2:11:31
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Speaker 1: the entirety of iHeart Media's aviation expert. He's on all
2:11:45
Speaker 1: over the nation. We get him for a few segments
2:11:47
Speaker 1: on Thursdays, and I love it. Let's talk real quick
2:11:49
Speaker 1: since tomorrow's Tech Friday with Dave Hatter, the TSA's warning
2:11:52
Speaker 1: about using public Wi Fi while traveling through airports.
2:11:57
Speaker 7: You and I talked about the the the charging ports
2:12:02
Speaker 7: that are at the airports and how to be careful. Yeah. Yeah,
2:12:06
Speaker 7: because some somehow we've had hackers that have put out
2:12:09
Speaker 7: some of these things, like the fake atm things or
2:12:12
Speaker 7: things you put at gas pumps. Where people can unexpectedly,
2:12:15
Speaker 7: you know, put something in and your your private information
2:12:19
Speaker 7: is subject to hackers. Well, we've had that where the
2:12:23
Speaker 7: TSA said, look, if you're going to charge your phone
2:12:25
Speaker 7: at an airport, use your own charger. But they're also saying,
2:12:28
Speaker 7: the TSA that they're getting reports of people that are
2:12:30
Speaker 7: connecting to the public Wi Fi and airports are placing
2:12:33
Speaker 7: themselves at risk as well because it's not as secure,
2:12:36
Speaker 7: and they've had it. Would know all about that because
2:12:39
Speaker 7: the TSA saying that, look, a lot of these people
2:12:41
Speaker 7: are connecting to things that aren't as secure and it's
2:12:43
Speaker 7: allowing hackers to more easily access our personal information. Now,
2:12:47
Speaker 7: when you've got the hectic pace of an airport, that
2:12:50
Speaker 7: can cause a lot of people to let their guard
2:12:52
Speaker 7: down because looks hits the time of travel exhaustion, the
2:12:55
Speaker 7: last thing you're thinking about is protect your identification. So
2:12:58
Speaker 7: I think that the TSA's comes at a good point
2:13:01
Speaker 7: as we're approaching the end of the year with we've
2:13:03
Speaker 7: got a lot of people traveling because you simply can't
2:13:06
Speaker 7: be too careful, and that's something that I think we
2:13:09
Speaker 7: can repeat over and over and over again, because you've
2:13:11
Speaker 7: got to be careful when you're dealing with you know,
2:13:14
Speaker 7: trying to protect your identification.
2:13:17
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's a warning we all need to heed.
2:13:20
Speaker 1: So and I think Dave has brought that kind of
2:13:22
Speaker 1: thing up before too.
2:13:23
Speaker 7: So yeah, he's yawning right now because you're so boring
2:13:27
Speaker 7: to have. But I like to talk about it because
2:13:29
Speaker 7: it was. It was a TSA warning and it's just
2:13:32
Speaker 7: reminding people when you're at the airport, just protect yourself.
2:13:35
Speaker 1: You're electronic hygiene, so to speak. All Right, I guess
2:13:40
Speaker 1: some of the Tampa Airport TSA workers are happy.
2:13:43
Speaker 7: Some Yeah, but I think twenty one of them up
2:13:47
Speaker 7: till now they've got a ten thousand dollars bonus for
2:13:50
Speaker 7: their their performance during the government shutdown. This is something
2:13:53
Speaker 7: that was recommended by their supervisors and others and it
2:13:58
Speaker 7: was a nice ten thousand dollars check and others are
2:14:00
Speaker 7: looking to get the same. And it's nice because not
2:14:04
Speaker 7: one time during that six week period of time did
2:14:07
Speaker 7: we talk about too much the letdown of the TSA
2:14:11
Speaker 7: checkpoints where you know, there were miles or three mile
2:14:14
Speaker 7: long screening lines. Know, most of the focus was on
2:14:17
Speaker 7: the air traffic controllers. The TSA did their job. I
2:14:20
Speaker 7: mean they I don't know how most of us would
2:14:23
Speaker 7: be if you showed up for work for six weeks
2:14:25
Speaker 7: and you weren't getting paid at that time, and you
2:14:27
Speaker 7: still were expected to be as professional and good at
2:14:31
Speaker 7: what you do as as you would do normally. I
2:14:34
Speaker 7: mean that it's a lot of pressure and a lot
2:14:35
Speaker 7: of stress. So the fact that they're getting rewarded, I
2:14:38
Speaker 7: think is great and I think I'd love to see
2:14:40
Speaker 7: it more often.
2:14:41
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree with you on that. Finally, wait a second,
2:14:44
Speaker 1: good news from Spirit Airlines.
2:14:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, they were only three hundred and sixty five pilots off,
2:14:49
Speaker 7: the latest of a bunch of layoffs. They've decided they
2:14:51
Speaker 7: don't need to do that. And I'm thrilled to death
2:14:54
Speaker 7: to hear it, because Spirit right now is a good airline,
2:14:58
Speaker 7: but they're struggling right now now and it's going to
2:15:00
Speaker 7: take some time for them to regain their footing, and
2:15:03
Speaker 7: they're really headed in the right direction, and I hope
2:15:05
Speaker 7: that it continues because you want Spirit Airlines to be
2:15:09
Speaker 7: around because all the low cost carriers that are out
2:15:12
Speaker 7: there helped to keep the faverage fares down. Yes, that's
2:15:15
Speaker 7: why when we get a carrier here at CBG. If
2:15:17
Speaker 7: it's Frontier Allegiance Southwest, whoever it is, we talk about
2:15:21
Speaker 7: let's support them. And if it Breeze has got a
2:15:24
Speaker 7: great fair to the West coast, and you think, well,
2:15:26
Speaker 7: I'm a Delta freaking flyer. They matching the fair, I'll
2:15:29
Speaker 7: fly Delta. Okay, you do that, But then in six
2:15:32
Speaker 7: months when an airline says, you know, we're not getting
2:15:33
Speaker 7: the loads we thought, we're going to leave, please don't
2:15:36
Speaker 7: email me because I'll remind you that it's up to us. Well,
2:15:39
Speaker 7: that happened with air Tran. Air Tran came in in
2:15:42
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety five in February trying to compete with Delta
2:15:45
Speaker 7: Airlines with forty nine dollars fares from Cincinnati to Orlando,
2:15:49
Speaker 7: please forty nine bucks. The problem was Delta matched the fares,
2:15:54
Speaker 7: So are you gonna fly Delta or an air Tran
2:15:56
Speaker 7: which maybe you hadn't heard the you know, you didn't
2:15:58
Speaker 7: know who they were. They were spent off of of
2:16:00
Speaker 7: Northwest Massaba Airlines, so it was a great airline. But
2:16:04
Speaker 7: the problem was everybody flew Delta. So air Train ran
2:16:08
Speaker 7: practically empty flights back and forth to Orlando for a
2:16:10
Speaker 7: year and a half before they said enough. And the
2:16:13
Speaker 7: minute they left, people started complaining about where'd air train go?
2:16:17
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I mean, I'll me where they went. They
2:16:20
Speaker 7: left because of us. But look, the community has done
2:16:23
Speaker 7: such a great job. Because when Frontier came here with
2:16:26
Speaker 7: their one flight of day to Denver, bringing it from
2:16:28
Speaker 7: the Dayton Airport, I was pleading, please, this is our
2:16:31
Speaker 7: opportunity to support because it took a lot of work
2:16:34
Speaker 7: to get Frontier to come here. This is a place
2:16:36
Speaker 7: where on where you had low cost carriers came to die.
2:16:39
Speaker 7: You never bought a low cost carrier in here. Frontier
2:16:42
Speaker 7: came in here started having success. Here comes a legion
2:16:44
Speaker 7: all of a sudden Southwest up roots to their entire
2:16:46
Speaker 7: dating operation, brings them down here. You've got great things happening.
2:16:49
Speaker 7: Why because the community is supporting the low cost carriers.
2:16:52
Speaker 7: I'm preaching to the choir because we've done a great job.
2:16:55
Speaker 7: But I'm on when I'm on the air around the country,
2:16:57
Speaker 7: I tell them to do what's what's happening right here?
2:16:59
Speaker 7: Since anat Because we've we've got the model and the
2:17:02
Speaker 7: community is an incredible service.
2:17:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's demonstrable success. We were the highest like airport
2:17:08
Speaker 1: in the country. In terms of the cost of airfare.
2:17:10
Speaker 1: People used to drive the Dayton to get a cheaper
2:17:12
Speaker 1: flight and then lay over in Cincinnati on the way
2:17:14
Speaker 1: to wherever they were going.
2:17:15
Speaker 7: They would go anywhere. Well, now Dayton's a ghost town. Yeah,
2:17:18
Speaker 7: and you come down here and look at the license
2:17:20
Speaker 7: plates in the barning lot. They're from all over the
2:17:22
Speaker 7: Tri state area because they're coming here. Look when you
2:17:24
Speaker 7: can jump on a flight to go to Vegas for
2:17:28
Speaker 7: you know, one hundred and eighteen bucks round trip, or
2:17:30
Speaker 7: Orlando for ninety nine dollars on trip. But during certain
2:17:32
Speaker 7: times of the year you factor in inflation, it's cheaper
2:17:36
Speaker 7: to fly now than it ever has been in the
2:17:37
Speaker 7: history of aviation. That curreribly made possible by low cost carriers.
2:17:41
Speaker 1: Support your low cost carrier, Keith from Iowa says he well,
2:17:44
Speaker 1: he loves you, and Eric wants to know if you
2:17:45
Speaker 1: have your own podcast.
2:17:47
Speaker 7: I do not. I've been asked to, have been encouraged,
2:17:49
Speaker 7: in fact, by several of our producers to do so.
2:17:53
Speaker 7: Sleep is already an interruption of my day. Do you
2:17:55
Speaker 7: think I'm gonna have time for a podcast?
2:17:57
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2:18:44
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