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  Speaker 1: JP Morgan was an absolute fraud. He murdered fifteen hundred
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  Speaker 1: people in order to get the insurance money. And now
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  Speaker 1: here's an advertisement from JP Morgan Bank.
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  Speaker 1: And let's go back to some early roots, some good
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  Speaker 1: old American conspiracy theory with the Titanic. This is this
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  Speaker 1: is one of my absolute favorite conspiracy topics of all time.
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  Speaker 4: Titanic The Ship That Never Sank a two thousand and
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  Speaker 4: four TV show on Sky one, Season one, episode four.
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  Speaker 4: It's directed by Richard Sanders and it goes over a
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  Speaker 4: classic of Titanic and this lure is so great, and
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  Speaker 4: I like it to This one is great. I know
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  Speaker 4: it's a TV show, and sometimes these are better for
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  Speaker 4: me because you get forty forty five minutes. Just let's
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  Speaker 4: get to the chase. Let's not like, oh, we get
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  Speaker 4: to extend all this extra stuff.
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  Speaker 5: The twist twist, twist, twist, twist.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't Super History channeled out either, where you're
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  Speaker 4: just like and we'll rewright back, and I want to
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  Speaker 4: find out what happened to the Titanic. But in this
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  Speaker 4: film they kind of like dolve into the was the
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  Speaker 4: Titanic a cover up? Right? Was there more to what happened?
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  Speaker 1: And this one, I've heard so many different conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: in the Titanic. This one is very much on one
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  Speaker 1: particular angle, and that was the Titanic and its sister ship,
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  Speaker 1: the Olympic, were swapped. That the Olympic had gotten hit
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  Speaker 1: while uninsured because it was an uninsurable ship at the time,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of I guess, just eating the loss, JP Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: the owner of the White Star Line, he comes up
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  Speaker 1: with a plot where that if he just paints the
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  Speaker 1: Olympic to look like the Titanic and paints the Titanic
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  Speaker 1: to look like the Olympic, and then he goes and
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  Speaker 1: he ensures the Titanic, which is actually the Olympic that's
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  Speaker 1: already damaged. It's already needs to be scrapped. He makes
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  Speaker 1: that look like it hit an iceberg and it sinks
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  Speaker 1: and he gets the insurance money. Which that last part
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  Speaker 1: is what happens, by the way, like the ship did sink,
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  Speaker 1: and he does get the insurance money, and the Olympic
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  Speaker 1: did objectively get damaged, and he didn't get to the
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  Speaker 1: insurance money for the first one. So the only real
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy that comes out in this one is that old switcheroo.
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  Speaker 4: Plotting the course this film does focus on that's specific
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  Speaker 4: right there. Like you said, there's like the Federal Reserve angle.
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  Speaker 4: There's powerful people that they wanted to destroy, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: all these angles can overlap, right, There's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these where you can be like, ay, five birds one stone, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like you get a lot of different theories. But this
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  Speaker 4: is one that I like as well because it seems
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  Speaker 4: so realistic. It's not that far fed. Oh, we damaged
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  Speaker 4: the boat that we can't get insurance on, Like, let's
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  Speaker 4: go and swap it out and make it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so that happens to that one, we get the insurance money,
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  Speaker 4: still got the other boat. We're good, right, We're good
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  Speaker 4: to go, and we could fix up this one and
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  Speaker 4: we could still make the money. It's not crazy far fetched.
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  Speaker 4: And they kind of go through everything what that is
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  Speaker 4: the key claim? And now you break down from people
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  Speaker 4: that where you hear this claim from. One of the
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  Speaker 4: best characters out of this whole film is Patty the
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  Speaker 4: Pig Man. I love that name. Patty the Pig was
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  Speaker 4: blowing truth up before any of us were even like
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  Speaker 4: glimmer in our mom and dad's eyes, right, Patty the Pig.
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  Speaker 4: He tells his story of like, you know, they swapped it.
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  Speaker 4: They were building the Olympic, and that I think it
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  Speaker 4: was his dad's or his friend's uncle or something was
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  Speaker 4: working on this the Olympic, like.
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  Speaker 5: My friend's dad. So it's one of those story like
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  Speaker 5: twice removed story.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't there necessarily, but they talk about how
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  Speaker 4: like they made it identical. The two ships were identical,
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  Speaker 4: and they go through how they are identical and what
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  Speaker 4: happened because they say that it wasn't just an iceberg
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  Speaker 4: ripping through the Titanic, but it was like the water
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  Speaker 4: that got in and seeped with like a fire that
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  Speaker 4: was word than it exploded.
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  Speaker 1: He said, this is a guy in a pub, right,
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  Speaker 1: Patty the Pigs at a pub, And it's like people
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  Speaker 1: had heard his drunken stories a million times and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, ah, Patty's talking about the old Titanic again, right.
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  Speaker 1: So he had this story that there was an explosion
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  Speaker 1: in the hull of the Olympic that blew outwards that
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  Speaker 1: and that everyone, I guess had always considered the Titanic
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  Speaker 1: hitting iceberg. He like, nah, I wasn't an iceberg. It
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  Speaker 1: actually had blown outward. There was an explosion on the
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  Speaker 1: ship and that's what led all the water in. And
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  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, that's just Patty being a drunk idiot.
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  Speaker 1: And at this point the Titanic had not been found.
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  Speaker 1: The Titanic was still somewhere lost at the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the Atlantic. It was like just a mystery that was
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  Speaker 1: never going to be solved. So then when they actually
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  Speaker 1: find the ship, not only do they see the pattern
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  Speaker 1: that this drunken Patty the Pig had been saying forever
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  Speaker 1: it was this outward explosion or evidence of that, but
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  Speaker 1: also the exact placement of it, and the fact too
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  Speaker 1: that it was affecting more of the ship, which is
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  Speaker 1: also what Patty had said. So there was like all
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  Speaker 1: of these things that magically lined up and I get
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  Speaker 1: I guess a quick spoiler alert at the end of
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  Speaker 1: this documentary since it is SkyTV government owned. At the end,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, and Patty was just really lucky at getting
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  Speaker 1: all of this information right, it was just dumb luck
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  Speaker 1: by this drunken Irish guy. But part of that is like, man,
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  Speaker 1: if he had been saying this, because he really did
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  Speaker 1: hear his friend's dad come home and say like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's what's going on. They're having us remake this ship
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  Speaker 1: to look like another one because it damage And then
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  Speaker 1: that happened. And this guy had been telling everyone that
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  Speaker 1: for decades at his drunken little bar and all along
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  Speaker 1: he was right.
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  Speaker 4: He got lucky. Right. They even try to disprove like
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  Speaker 4: they were like, well, he was not on any records
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  Speaker 4: of being on there's no way he could have known
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  Speaker 4: any of this information. Like, but they don't give him credit.
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  Speaker 4: They're just like, like you said, there's like just by
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  Speaker 4: chance he was right, Like how did he get that? Well,
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  Speaker 4: the luck of the Irish, right like that's how they
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  Speaker 4: go uh. And I will say one thing that I
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  Speaker 4: want to be a little politically correct right here. I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was really foul of this movie to really
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  Speaker 4: go after the black icebergs right like they were like,
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  Speaker 4: it's the black icebergs that you got to watch out
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  Speaker 4: for that are ripping these boats to pieces. And I
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  Speaker 4: thought we were past that in this day and age.
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  Speaker 4: But I guess race does matter when it comes to icebergs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's an inversion, and I guess. So this is
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  Speaker 1: the part of the conspiracy that they get into. Because
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  Speaker 1: there are so many we'll leave that for other episodes,
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  Speaker 1: but in this one, it's that the insurance scam is
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  Speaker 1: kind of that is what's going along with this is
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to sink the Titanic, but in reality,
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  Speaker 1: the Titanic is already a damaged boat.
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  Speaker 5: That was called the Olympic, and they know it's going
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  Speaker 5: to sink. And not only they know it's going to sink, but.
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  Speaker 1: They had rented out a passenger boat that had the
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  Speaker 1: exact capacity needed in order to save all three thousand
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  Speaker 1: people on the boat, which was it was like fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred people that died, so they had more than enough,
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  Speaker 1: and they had like three thousand blankets, like just on
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  Speaker 1: this this carrier ship with nobody else on it, going
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  Speaker 1: out into the exact spot where it was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be at. But what happens is this weird perfect storm
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  Speaker 1: of irregular activity. It was the first time in multiple
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  Speaker 1: decades that it was completely still. So normally, I guess
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  Speaker 1: if you're coming towards an iceberg, you can see the
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  Speaker 1: waves crashing on it, you can hear the waves crashing
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  Speaker 1: on so you know.
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  Speaker 5: How to steer around it.
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  Speaker 1: And then also I guess icebergs can flip upside down.
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  Speaker 1: So if you got like the big white iceberg, as
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  Speaker 1: it's moving around and it's drifting, it's picking up just
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  Speaker 1: sediment from the bottom of wherever it's scraping against, and
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  Speaker 1: that just turns black with like dirt. So what happened
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  Speaker 1: is that on a completely still night, the iceberg that
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  Speaker 1: would normally be out there that you'd be able to
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  Speaker 1: just steer around, had flipped upside down, and now it's
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  Speaker 1: completely black and you can't see it in the black
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  Speaker 1: of the night, and that the stars were almost invisible
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  Speaker 1: there was It was just this weird freak chance that
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of this insurance scam, which originally was
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  Speaker 1: just gonna be like, uh oh, the ship's going down.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone get on this passenger ship. Everyone's safe. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: get my insurance. But instead they actually hit this iceberg
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  Speaker 1: which they weren't supposed to hit in this place, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just like a few miles away from where
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  Speaker 1: the passenger boat was going to se everybody. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they just bumbled it right, like they they
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  Speaker 1: absolutely bungled the conspiracy and the things still happened, but
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  Speaker 1: now everyone died because of like a few different oversights.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a very specific but interesting point of view
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  Speaker 1: on this Titanic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is because it's like, Okay, you win
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  Speaker 4: the pr campaign by like we saved everybody, right like,
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  Speaker 4: even though there was this, and you get the insurance claim.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that was probably the way to go
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  Speaker 4: because it's a win win for you, right. You get
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  Speaker 4: this publicity which is like, yeah, you know, this thing
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  Speaker 4: happened that we couldn't prevent, but we saved everybody, and
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  Speaker 4: then now we got a new ship, we got the
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  Speaker 4: new insurance where we're gonna wrap everything up and make
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  Speaker 4: it look pretty and then like life happens, it's not
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  Speaker 4: gonna go according to plan, and things that you didn't
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  Speaker 4: expect to happen, which who knows. There might have been
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  Speaker 4: a guy like, hey man, maybe we should watch out
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  Speaker 4: for black eyes, bro, Like you know, that could be
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  Speaker 4: a thing. That's who knows. I see it all the
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  Speaker 4: time at work where someone brings up something they're like, ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: shut up, guy, you don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: And give this for twenty years. It's never happened once,
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  Speaker 5: it will never happen.
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  Speaker 4: I've been on the seas a lot more than you.
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  Speaker 6: Bro.
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  Speaker 4: I'm fifty years old, you're about twenty five. There's no
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  Speaker 4: way you can know this. And I think that they're
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  Speaker 4: they that could play a part. But it's an interesting
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  Speaker 4: fact of where you have these perfect storms colliding together
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  Speaker 4: that Patty's has information, and I think there was probably
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  Speaker 4: some kind of implosion outside there plus combined with this
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  Speaker 4: glacier they couldn't see. That makes a lot of sense
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  Speaker 4: to me because the premise is not far fetched. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: JP Morgan wants his money back. He's a businessman. He's
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  Speaker 4: not about like, oh yeah, that's that's fine. We lose
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  Speaker 4: this money on Olympus and the fact that you have
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  Speaker 4: people in this film that are like Titanic enthusiasts and
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  Speaker 4: in the middle at least I'll say they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this looks identical, and this looks identical, and this looks identical.
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  Speaker 4: So the ships were made like that.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing that they don't they don't give this
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  Speaker 1: as much emphasis, and I think they should have this
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  Speaker 1: documentary about it, is that Patty the Pig was also
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  Speaker 1: talking about this explosion in the hole, like a weakened
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  Speaker 1: hole from fire or from like it being like super
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  Speaker 1: hot and then hitting the cold water. I think that
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  Speaker 1: was one of the examples, is that the way that
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  Speaker 1: it just like extracted or expanded, that's what caused it
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  Speaker 1: to blow out. It wasn't necessarily like an explosion, but
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  Speaker 1: it was from the hot hole hitting the cold water.
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  Speaker 1: That was the explanation, and that had been unsubstantiated again
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  Speaker 1: until years later it become more well known that there
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  Speaker 1: was a fire that had been burning for like three
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  Speaker 1: or four days, and this is accurate, and this is
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  Speaker 1: this is part of the conspiracy that starts to convince
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  Speaker 1: me more that there's something afoot here, but that there
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  Speaker 1: was an engine room. It was like boiler room number
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  Speaker 1: eleven or something. I might have the number mixed up,
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  Speaker 1: but that it was literally on fire as the ship
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  Speaker 1: moved from port to port to port. And because this
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be a brand new ship, this was
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  Speaker 1: its virgin voyage, that the inspectors didn't even go into
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  Speaker 1: the engine room. Theydn't even look at any of the
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  Speaker 1: boiler rooms, and if they had, they would have seen
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  Speaker 1: that there was a room that had been on fire
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  Speaker 1: for like three or four days. The conspiracy angle that
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  Speaker 1: this documentary doesn't go into is that they were smelting gold.
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  Speaker 1: That's my favorite one, is that there's smelting gold in
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  Speaker 1: this room that had to be on fire for these
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  Speaker 1: four days and it was just like two birds one stone,
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  Speaker 1: But that this.
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  Speaker 5: Was intentionally weakening the hole as well.
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  Speaker 1: That if the hole had already had damaged and now
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  Speaker 1: you're going to heat it up and let this fire
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  Speaker 1: burn for a few days and then bring it out
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  Speaker 1: into the cold water, now you're kind of guaranteeing some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a catastrophic failure is going to happen. They
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  Speaker 1: don't dress it up in here. That there was like
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  Speaker 1: an intentional reason with the fire, but they do acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: that it was an anomaly and that it shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: passed any of the inspections, and that a room's not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be on fire for three or four days
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  Speaker 1: on a virgin voyage.
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  Speaker 5: But all that was all was.
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  Speaker 1: Something that originally people were like, Ah, that's drunk, Patty,
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  Speaker 1: what do you Yeah, it was on fire for four days,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Patty.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it turns out that that also was true.
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  Speaker 4: And it turns out that when it's government funded stuff,
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  Speaker 4: the story starts to switch. You're getting some juicy details
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  Speaker 4: in the first half and towards was it d windows
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  Speaker 4: down and it's like, well, Patty's a drunk, right, he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't know what he's talking about. And this porthole on
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  Speaker 4: the Titanic proves that there were two different ships, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like they were like emphasized, like there's no way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it sounds like a great story. We figured it out,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's an accident that happened, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: planned for insurance, even though he did get the insurance money.
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  Speaker 5: I think that they obviously they have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's SkyTV, and SkyTV can't say JP Morgan
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  Speaker 1: was an absolute fraud. He murdered fifteen hundred people in
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  Speaker 1: order to get the insurance money. And now here's an
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  Speaker 1: advertisement from JP Morgan Bank to sign up.
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  Speaker 5: For their new credit card.
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  Speaker 1: Right Like, you can't segue from one to the other,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously they have to downplay. And at the end
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  Speaker 1: of this one, their proof of that it had to
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  Speaker 1: be the actual Titanic was that they found the number
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  Speaker 1: four to oh one written on the back of a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of cabinets in wood, and that on the propeller
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  Speaker 1: the number four oh one was written, and that four
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  Speaker 1: oh one meant the Titanic and four hundred would have
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  Speaker 1: been the Olympic, and that because no one had found
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  Speaker 1: anything that said four hundred yet on any of the wreckage,
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  Speaker 1: that it has to be the Titanic. That's essentially the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned the porthole, although the JFK like level
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists that's on the Titanic with the British James
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  Speaker 1: Shelby Downer to like the you know, the British David
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  Speaker 1: Ike I guess as a better example, but that the
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  Speaker 1: guy that's like the big guy into Titanic, he's sitting
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  Speaker 1: there and he's basically disagreeing with everything. The official story
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  Speaker 1: is like, oh, you so couldn't they just switch the
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  Speaker 1: propeller and they're like, no, they wouldn't have switched the propeller.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way they wouldn't have done that. And then
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  Speaker 1: he was saying, well, this porthole. One of the smoking
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  Speaker 1: guns that it had to be the real Titanic and
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  Speaker 1: not a conspiracy, was that they added a bathroom at
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  Speaker 1: the last minute, and that that bathroom they added a
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  Speaker 1: porthole too. So in the wreckage, they pulled up this
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  Speaker 1: big chunk, the biggest chunk ever recovered from the Titanic,
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  Speaker 1: and it happened to have these little portals. But the
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  Speaker 1: guy was just like, so they drilled a hole in
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  Speaker 1: the in both boats, Like what's the big deal? And
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  Speaker 1: it's like he was like, legit on that guy for
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  Speaker 1: just shooting down all these intricate things. And so part
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  Speaker 1: of me believes that the people making the documentary were like,
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  Speaker 1: here's enough evidence for you to legitimately question this, and
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  Speaker 1: then in the last five or ten minutes like, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to get this approved by our masters too,
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  Speaker 1: but like you get enough to lean either way that
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  Speaker 1: you want for this.
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  Speaker 7: One, hidden treasures and overboar moments, what you got?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I do like that this one presents so
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  Speaker 1: many different points of view that they actually get like
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  Speaker 1: pro Titanic guys meeting up in person and like debating
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  Speaker 1: with like anti Titanic guys. But the other thing that
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna probably ever see again is they've got,
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  Speaker 1: for example, a guy that's got to be one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty years old, but he's you know, he's like
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  Speaker 1: ninety something and he was the last living person who
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: have seen the Titanic in person, and they got an
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: interview with him, and even he was saying that back
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: when the Titanic originally launched and right after the disaster,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that these these rumors were already being spread about the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Titanic being switched with the Olympic in an insurance scam.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So the fact that the people thinking that this is
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: like a modern conspiracy theory or like no one knew
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: at the time, like the day at launched, the day
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: that it sang, people were already like, oh, that JP
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Morgan and his insurance scam, you know he was doing that. Now,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the guy that they interviewed, he said that he didn't
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: believe in any of those theories, but that he was
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: actually one of those people that saw it. But then
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they go onto a radio show and in Belfast where
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: these two ships were made, and so like there's enough evidence, man,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: where they even show you that there was. They were
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: both at the exact same location over the course of
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like a week. Normally it's supposed to take like two days,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: but they were there for a week, and they kept
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: switching the boat's locations over and over again during this week,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: so like all the opportunity is there, the motive is there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: They also spell out in here that this isn't like
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a novel idea, that this is the number one most
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: common form of naval fraud is that you like, people
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: will change two boats to look like they're the same thing,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: because a lot of the time you're not making like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a one off original boat and you're never gonna make
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that model again, like if it works, you're gonna make
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: another one another one. So this is a very common
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: form of fraud for the time and even modern day.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So I guess the hidden treasure is that you got
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: interviews from eyewitnesses of the Titanic, the boat you're not
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: going to get those again. They're already dead at this point, right,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: this documentary is old enough that that guy is definitely
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: out of here, so you're not going to.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Get that again.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And it gives you enough to like make it you question,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and it gives you the names and the dates, so
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it gives you the breadcrumbs, even though at
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the end they're like and it's all fakes, so never
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: think about this again.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the overbarl moments is the end
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: where they're just kind of they're doing their due diligence
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: to stay on the air and to be on these
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: like big networks where they're like, hey, yeah, I'm just kidding.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: It's just conspiracy, bro, I'm just saying some stuff that
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: people said. But I really liked how they've proven through
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: time that this is not the first time. It's it's
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: like when it's everybody has a nine to eleven, right
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: what every couple of decades where we're like, hey, that
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: just doesn't seem right, and you know, you can go
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: into the weeds, like people go too far whatever you
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: may think, but these things exist, right, Like, this is
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: not like a one off, it's like very common, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I like this conspiracy so much because it's my alley
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of it's like very logical and it's very like believable.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: It's not like, oh, this crazy thing happened and like
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: you have to explain and you're like, yeah, a businessman
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: had a damaged product needed to get the money on it,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: and he's like, hey, let's just switch a few parts,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: like you think we could do that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: And this has happened.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Not only has this happened, I mean nine to eleven
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: great example. We're gonna have to like if you don't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: know by now, we're huge conspiracy theorists to start with.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But man nine to eleven was an insurance scam conspiracy
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: theory where they had to basically renovate the buildings and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: remove all this asbestos and it was just gonna be
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a money loss, right, or you can ensure it and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: if something bad happens to it, Walt, it's insured. Well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: now you're actually making money and solving your problem all
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: at the same time. Exactly the same situation with the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Titanic or the Olympic. Right, they have this boat where
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the hole has been breached, meaning that you can't it's brack.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: They describe it as its back is broken. Once your
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: ship's hull, once the back is broken, it can't be
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: a ship anymore. You have to scrap it and start
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: all over again. It's a death sentence.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: So the fact that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: They were going to have to lose money guaranteed on
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this boat or ensure and a tragedy happens, and now
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you're making money. Okay, this is a common theme. Well
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well, we're talking about comparing something
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that happened in two thousand and one with something that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: happened in the early twentieth century, like one hundred years before. Well,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: there's also something called the Morgan affair that they don't
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: bring this up. But the Morgan affair is when I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: believe JP Morgan buys up a whole bunch of dysfunctional guns,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: says that he repaired them, and then sells them back
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to the military at like a discount.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Instead.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: What he did, though, is he bought a bunch of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: broken guns and then he just sold the back broke
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: into the military and said that he had fixed them
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and repaired them and took all this money back in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden they had soldiers going
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: out and the guns were exploding, disfiguring people not firing
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: when they were expecting it to. It's called I believe
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that was called the Morgan affairs. So not only is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: there a track record for this particular type of insurance
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: fraud and boats, but Morgan himself personally and his company
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: already had a track record for doing horrible shady things
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like sending damaged goods out into the world and making
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: money while people are dying from them, Like that was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: an actual thing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: JP Morgan was doing.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So they don't mention that, and I'm not going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: count that against them necessarily because again, like I guarantee you,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: whenever this aired that same day on that same channel,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: there was a JP Morgan product being promoted.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: So you could only push the envelope so far, and.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got a lucky Larry and then you got
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: a miraculous Morgan right where they both like I'm gonna
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: call off sick that day, right. It just a lot
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of the parallels were funny, Like they both got the
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: insurance money. They both were like I won't be there
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: that day. I'm always there, but this time I'm not
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: going to be there. And then Morgan's excuse was he
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: was sick and then it's found out like he was
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: not sick and he was with a mistress, but all
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that could be explained. But I think it's very plausible.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: For it's like, yeah, this is a common thing that
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: we see in a lot of these conspiracies.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: That's another great example. Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So they mentioned in this documentary that it was like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: fifty five associates of Morgan all canceled right before this
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: thing takes off, and that it was just a coincidence
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that all this happened. Even though he's like like, see here,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they are giving you all the ingreed, like they're letting
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know enough information to be like, hey, there's something here,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: even though later like, but we found a cabinet that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: had the number four on one written on it, So
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: forget about all of that, Like JP Morgan and fifty
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: five of his friends all canceled. But here's other information
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that doesn't come out in this documentary. A lot of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: those friends of his, like one is like the Hershey family,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of the other ones too, were part of
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the Jeco Island Hunt Club. And the Jecko Island Hunt
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Club is the actual location in which these bankers met
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in secret to put together the idea for the Federal Reserve,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and that the people that didn't get the advanced notice
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: about the Titanic and didn't cancel their tickets happened to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: be the opponents of this Federal reserve. So this is
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: like one of those things that everyone that benefited from
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve being passed. Also, if you took an
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: overlap of like a ven diagram of those people and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the people that miraculously canceled their trip at the last second,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it's almost a circle, right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Drum roll, please sink or swim?
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Man, this one is so cheesy, bro like, as soon
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: as it starts out.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It kind of has like the music and the editing treatment,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Like it's so completely cheesy that I was rolling my
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: eyes within ten seconds. But despite all that, I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it still delivers.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: If you go into this thinking I want to learn
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about a Titanic conspiracy, you're gonna walk away and have it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And you're gonna have eyewitness accounts, you're gonna have all
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sorts of you're gonna learn about Patty the Pig and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like how he somehow was miraculously dumb. Luck of the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Irish got it all right when he described all this
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and even the details of like the Titanic was swapped
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: with the Olympic. It was done because JP Morgan was
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: running an insurance scam. Here's examples of the California, which
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was that other passenger ship that was loaded up during
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the middle of a coal strike by the way, in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: which people could not afford to just throw a boat
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in the water for no reason. There's all this evidence,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Like they spell all this out so well that even
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: though at the end they're like, but that's probably not
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: all accurate, because we found a cap it. I think
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that that's done so that if you're inquisitive enough, like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you see the first half of this documentary and you
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: know to ignore the last half, so I have to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: give it a swim, unlike the fifteen hundred people that died.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: And for me, I think you're right. Like the film
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: starts out the way that they it's typical like TV. Right,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: it's television production, the way that they want it to
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: come out, the way they want to capture a massive audience.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: But there's so much in there, like it may be
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: it is kind of a hidden treasure on its own
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: because you get all this information and it's not necessarily
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: the best way it's told to you, because you're told, like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: here's all this information, but don't listen to it because
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: it's all bull crap, because we figured out that it
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: was bull crap, even though it kind of makes you
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: question things. So I also give it a swim. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: think it's worth watching. You got to get through some
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: of the way that these productions are played out, whether
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: it be that it's just for entertainment purposes or whether
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: they're like, hey man, I want to keep making money.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I do agree that this Titanic conspiracy is real, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: I can't flat out say that or I will lose
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: my contract.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So it's a swim for me, and I'll do the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: plug insertion right here too. Again, unlike the Titanic, which sank.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So I've been working on a Titanic comic for a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: few years called Titanic You Know Why did it sink?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So you can go to Titaniccomic dot com, and not
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: only does it have the Paty of the Pig claims
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and has some of the other claims, but it does
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: get into that they were smelting gold and they were
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: using that gold to basically fund the Federal Reserve. It
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: gets into how one of the remaining financiers, John Jacob
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: ast He dies on this boat. He was Nikola Tesla's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: last remaining financier who is also in direct opposition with
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: JP Morgan through the battle between AC and DC Electricity.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So like the number of reasons for this boat to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have gone down would have made the difference between still
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: knowing JP Morgan's name today or not. Like it was,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: it was actually that influential. So in my mind, this
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: has been one of the most interesting and important conspiracy
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: theories to wrap your head around on all the different details,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and I think this one gives you enough firepower to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: do it. But if you want all the extra details,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: go to Titaniccomic dot com and support me there and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: get a little bit more insight on the background.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's layers to this. This is what under the
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Docks does. Go to Paranodamerican dot com, Kill themackingbirds dot com.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Under the Docks dot com. This is under the docks.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Peace by.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: From parent now you Americans.
• 28:52
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• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Some merching get to car and.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Say you're back.
• 29:03
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• 29:07
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• 29:09
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• 29:11
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• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I want more.
• 29:19
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• 29:50
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• 29:53
  Speaker 8: it light to bring? Give you the flight of plane
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: paper that hides the blaze. So what an amazing field?
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: When it's the real you will engage it your favorite
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: the pause, the lord of being arrangement. I gave you
• 30:05
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• 30:08
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• 30:11
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• 30:14
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• 30:17
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• 30:22
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• 30:25
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• 30:28
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• 30:31
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• 30:35
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• 30:38
  Speaker 8: that hate. Whatever they say matters not in the least bit.
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: We get heavy rotate when the bat hits some things,
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: cause you will.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Uncle niggas for real.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: You welcome.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: They ain't ever had a deal. You welcome.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Man, they lacking a pill. You welcome.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Yet they going, It's still You're welcome.