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GIRL, 2, DIES IN 109F CAR FOR HOURS, DAD ON PLAYSTATION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A beautiful little girl just two years old dies and
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Speaker 2: one hundred and nine degree hot car where she is left.
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Speaker 1: For hours by daddy.
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Speaker 2: And where was daddy as this little girl clawed at
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Speaker 2: herself in a stifling air inside the car? Oh that's right,
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Speaker 2: daddy's on PlayStation. Repeat, Daddy's on PlayStation.
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Speaker 1: He says he forgot his daughter was in the car.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. I told you to stop
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Speaker 2: leaving them in the car. Shocking texts after a toddler
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Speaker 2: dies in a car while dad plays video games very
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Speaker 2: disturbing that are now being revealed. But I want you
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Speaker 2: to listen to this.
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Speaker 3: There's a baby on the ground and go where he station? No, lao, man,
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Speaker 3: here's that.
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Speaker 2: In?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, ma'am in the car?
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Speaker 2: Does anyone recognize the name Baby Cooper or Justin Ross Harris?
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: That call was placed years ago, yet here we are
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Speaker 2: again today. What this two year old little lived through
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Speaker 2: before she finally succumbed is unspeakable.
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Speaker 1: Did we learn nothing from Baby Cooper?
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Speaker 2: Listen you said if you were four or five feet
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Speaker 2: away from Baby Cooper What did you observe about him?
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Speaker 4: You look clean.
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Speaker 5: I saw no bruises, I saw no abrasions. Here wasn't pulled.
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Speaker 1: Back, it was well. Was he laying on his back
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Speaker 1: or a stomach? He was laying on his back, okay.
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Speaker 2: Because the abrasions mostly are on the back of the head,
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Speaker 2: where we believe he was banging up against his car
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Speaker 2: seat trying to get out.
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Speaker 1: So was he pale?
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Speaker 3: No, he looked normal.
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Speaker 6: He just was lifeless.
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Speaker 2: He looked like a little bitty baby doll getting taken
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Speaker 2: out of the car. Nothing was wrong on the front anyway,
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Speaker 2: But upon examination at the medical examiner's office, the back
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Speaker 2: of his head showed where he had banged back trying
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Speaker 2: to get out of the car seat where he was
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Speaker 2: trapped in. There were claw marks where he tried to
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Speaker 2: claw trying to get his clothes off, or clawing at
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Speaker 2: the seat belt.
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Speaker 1: The air getting stifling hot? How hot?
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what a vet says when
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Speaker 2: this vet does an experiment about people leaving their dog
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Speaker 2: in a hot car.
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Speaker 7: Listen, So let's start a timer and let's see exactly
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Speaker 7: how hot it gets in here. I'm at five minutes in.
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Speaker 7: It is unbelievably hot in here. We're nearing one hundred
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Speaker 7: degrees already, and I can tell you that it is
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Speaker 7: stifling in here. Okay, I'm at fifteen minutes now and
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Speaker 7: it's about one hundred and ten. In my car. The
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Speaker 7: temperature right now is about one fifteen. What I really
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Speaker 7: wanted to set out to do is see how I
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Speaker 7: felt to be left in a parked car.
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Speaker 2: You're hearing doctor Ernie Ward speaking. He actually set a timer.
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Speaker 2: Listen to what else he.
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Speaker 1: Has to say.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this kills and it's allowsy way to die
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Speaker 7: and slowly but surely, having the energy and the life
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Speaker 7: just burnt out of them by this heat. And you
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Speaker 7: can make all the excuses you want, you can say,
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Speaker 7: it'll just be for a second. I'm gonna leave the
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Speaker 7: windows cracked, it's a breezy day, it's not that hot.
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Speaker 7: But those excuses are meaningless unless you have sat in
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Speaker 7: that car during that same time.
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Speaker 2: Again, that's doctor Ernie Ward speaking, and he was addressing
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Speaker 2: people that leave their pets in a hot car. Joining
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Speaker 2: me an all star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 2: we know right now. But we're not talking about a
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Speaker 2: dog left in a car or a pet left in
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Speaker 2: a car. We're not talking about Baby Hooper that died
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Speaker 2: in a hot car. We are now talking about a
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Speaker 2: beautiful little girl just two years old, Parker Schultz. Parker
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Speaker 2: died outside their family home in Arizona as dad left
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Speaker 2: her out there, claiming he let her sleep in the car.
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Speaker 8: Listen to this as Christopher Schultz calls nine one one.
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Speaker 8: Doctor Erika Schultz performed CPR on little Parker. When first
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Speaker 8: responders arrive on the scene, the outside temperature is over
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Speaker 8: one hundred and nine degrees. The toddler is transported to
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Speaker 8: the Banner University Medical Center, the same hospital her mother
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Speaker 8: works as an antiseesiologist. Unable to resuscitate the two year old, Parker,
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Speaker 8: Schultz is pronounced dead at four fifty eight pm.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Alexis Tereschuk Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 2: Let's just start at the beginning what happened leading up
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Speaker 2: to the baby's death.
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Speaker 9: So the baby's father, Christopher Schultz, has her in the car,
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Speaker 9: he goes out, he comes home, she is apparently sleeping
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Speaker 9: in the car and her little car seat in the back.
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Speaker 9: So he gets out of his car, he leaves it
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Speaker 9: running and he goes inside the house, thinking, oh, he
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Speaker 9: didn't well. His story is, I didn't want to wake
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Speaker 9: her up, because no one ever wants to wake up
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Speaker 9: their sleeping child. So he leaves her in the car,
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Speaker 9: goes inside his house. His wife, who is a doctor,
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Speaker 9: comes home from work four o'clock in the afternoon. She
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Speaker 9: pulls into the driveway. She goes inside the house. All
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Speaker 9: of a sudden, she says, where's Parker, and the dad
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Speaker 9: apparently goes running checks every single room in the house,
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Speaker 9: is oh, I don't know where he is, and then
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Speaker 9: runs back outside says, oh, no, I must have left
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Speaker 9: her in the car. The mom, because she's a doctor,
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Speaker 9: starts performing CPR. They call nine one one, and the
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Speaker 9: police and the ambulance arrive and they take this little girl.
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Speaker 10: They're desperate to save her.
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Speaker 9: They can take her to the hospital and that is
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Speaker 9: where she was pronounced dead.
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Speaker 2: In Arizona in July, the temperatures as high as one
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Speaker 2: hundred and eight degrees outside to especial guests joining us.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Alexis Terresshut with Crime Online, Amber Rollins
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Speaker 2: is joining US Director of Kids in Cars Safety at
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Speaker 2: Kidsandcars dot Org.
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Speaker 1: Amber Rollins thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I've covered and investigated so many hot car deaths and
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Speaker 2: it's almost always a child. And there's no reason for
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Speaker 2: you to know this, Amber, But I observed when I
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Speaker 2: prosecuted and investigated crimes in intercity Atlanta. But when the
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Speaker 2: crime victim it's an infant or a child, very often,
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Speaker 2: very often, the case is plied down to involuntary or
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Speaker 2: voluntary manslaughter. If it were an adult or a teen
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Speaker 2: that had a voice of their own, things are much different.
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Speaker 2: But when it's a child, they're often treated like a
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Speaker 2: pet that it's not the same as an adult. The
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Speaker 2: suffering this little girl went through was agonizing.
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Speaker 1: Amber.
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Speaker 2: Could you explain what happens inside of a car when
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Speaker 2: it's one hundred and eight degrees outside of the car?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, So a vehicle is essentially a greenhouse, so it
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Speaker 11: allows that solar energy to come in through the windows
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Speaker 11: and traps that heat inside. So the inside of the
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Speaker 11: vehicle heats up very quickly compete, you know, deathly temperatures
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Speaker 11: for a child within minutes, especially when it's somewhere one
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Speaker 11: hundred degrees outside.
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Speaker 10: But it doesn't have to be that hot.
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Speaker 11: Actually, we've documented cases even when this year where it
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Speaker 11: was in the sixties outside and a child died inside
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Speaker 11: of the vehicle.
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Speaker 2: So if it's one hundred and eight degrees, which is
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Speaker 2: about as hot as that has gotten in Arizona in July,
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Speaker 2: that's the hottest. What would the tent be inside the car?
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Speaker 2: If it's one hundred and eight degrees outside the car.
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Speaker 10: It would be very high.
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Speaker 11: And it's really hard to say because there are so
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Speaker 11: many different factors that go into play.
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Speaker 10: When this car was left, the air conditioning was on.
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Speaker 11: We don't know exactly how long it was running. You know,
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Speaker 11: if the windows are tinted, the color of the vehicle,
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Speaker 11: what color of you know, is it pass falt or
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Speaker 11: cement makes a difference. Is there any shade covering the car?
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Speaker 11: You know, all of these things play a role. But
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Speaker 11: in those kind of temperatures, literally minutes would be deadly
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Speaker 11: for a child.
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Speaker 1: To Alexis Restuk joining us.
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Speaker 2: We have been researching it and speaking to experts on it,
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Speaker 2: experts like Amber Rollins from Kidsincars dot org, and we
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Speaker 2: have learned that if it's around one hundred and eight,
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Speaker 2: which is the hottest it's gotten in Arizona in July,
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Speaker 2: chimps inside a car. And we also know correct me
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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Alexis, because you also have been investigating
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Speaker 2: the case. She was sitting in direct sunlight. She was
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Speaker 2: not in a garage or a car port. The car
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Speaker 2: turned off, which is a whole nother issue about when
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Speaker 2: a car turns off when you leave it on and
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Speaker 2: you leave it even if you leave the electronic keyfob
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Speaker 2: in the car, the car will cut off.
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Speaker 1: It will not keep going.
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Speaker 2: This car, I understand, cuts off after about thirty minutes
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Speaker 2: generally speaking. But wasn't she in direct sunlight? Because what
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Speaker 2: we have learned, Alexis, is that at one hundred and
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Speaker 2: eight degrees outside, a car can get between one hundred
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Speaker 2: and thirty and one hundred and seventy two degrees.
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Speaker 1: It's literally like being in an oven.
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Speaker 2: I mean, haven't you seen pictures of people when it's
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Speaker 2: so hot they fry an egg on their car.
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Speaker 1: That's what it's like to be inside the car.
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Speaker 9: So the car in the driveway was actually facing west
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Speaker 9: so as the sun was because so originally actually Christopher,
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Speaker 9: the father said he came home at two thirty and
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Speaker 9: the mom came home at four, So at two thirty
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Speaker 9: in the afternoon, the car facing west, the sun is
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Speaker 9: no longer directly a hub ahead of you is coming
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Speaker 9: down and beaming straight into the car. And she was
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Speaker 9: in the backseat, so just directly on her. There was
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Speaker 9: no shade, It was not even a garage was in
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Speaker 9: the direct sideline.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, he says. He got home around to thirty. Listen
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Speaker 2: to this.
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Speaker 8: Arriving home from running errands, Christopher Schultz notices his two
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Speaker 8: year old daughter, Parker, is asleep in her car seat.
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Speaker 8: Rather than disturbing her by waking her up to go
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Speaker 8: inside the house, the PM the County Arizona father of
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Speaker 8: three decides to leave the toddler in the vehicle with
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Speaker 8: the air conditioner running. Schultz knows from previous experience with
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Speaker 8: his accurate MDX the air conditioner and vehicle will run
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Speaker 8: for about thirty minutes before shutting off automatically.
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Speaker 2: Now that's something that can be proven at trial. Crime
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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace joining me again an all star panel,
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Speaker 2: but now out to high profile lawyering us out of
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Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction. Darryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor now defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen.
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Speaker 2: We saw in the Alex Murdog double murder trial. Murdog
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Speaker 2: went on trial for the shooting murders of his wife
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Speaker 2: Maggie and son Paul. His navigation system in his car
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Speaker 2: played a huge role. His nav system, Daryl Cohen navigation system,
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Speaker 2: and I think he was driving a suburban. If I
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Speaker 2: recall correctly, showed everything, Darryl. It was a defense attorney's
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Speaker 2: worst nightmare. It showed how he opened the door of
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Speaker 2: his car, his SUV, around the same exact time they
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Speaker 2: were shot getting in. It showed him It could show
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Speaker 2: when he turned the car on, and he turned the
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Speaker 2: air condition on, when he put it.
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Speaker 1: In drive, when he slowed down, let the window down.
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Speaker 1: All this is on the nav system.
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Speaker 2: You know, you put on your blinker or let your
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Speaker 2: window down, it shows up on your nav system.
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Speaker 1: It's that sensitive where he's slowed down and oh what
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Speaker 1: co inch you think Maggie's.
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Speaker 2: Phone was found right outside where he slowed down and
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Speaker 2: let his window down, let the window up, and sped off.
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Speaker 2: It showed how long he visited his mother and then
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Speaker 2: came back to the crime scene to find the dead bodies,
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Speaker 2: and showed all of that. So everything that this father
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Speaker 2: says in this case about leaving his daughter Parker in
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Speaker 2: the car can be destroyed or verified based on the
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Speaker 2: NAV system.
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Speaker 12: So, Nancy, in the murderer case, I changed his name
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Speaker 12: to Lidall because that's what he was, the complete compelling wire.
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Speaker 1: You're not really helping the defense right now.
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Speaker 12: I am trying to help with the truth. There is
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Speaker 12: no defense to system. But there is a defense for
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Speaker 12: as him not realizing how long he left his child there,
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Speaker 12: him not realizing how long the car would run until
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Speaker 12: it automatically stopped due to the situation.
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Speaker 2: How do you attack scientific evidence like an AV system.
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Speaker 1: There's got to be a way. There is a way.
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Speaker 6: The way I.
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Speaker 12: Attack scientific evidence as I say, it is what it is.
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Speaker 12: But here is an explanation. Here's an explanation why the
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Speaker 12: scientific evidence doesn't show everything. The scientific evidence doesn't show
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Speaker 12: his intent. The scientific evidence doesn't show how long he
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Speaker 12: was actually out of the car. The scientific evidence doesn't
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Speaker 12: show whether or not he may or may not.
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Speaker 6: Have come to check on her.
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Speaker 12: Scientific evidence is good, but also there's real evidence, and
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Speaker 12: there's logic, and scientific evidence is normally real, but it
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Speaker 12: can be explained and mitigated from time to time.
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Speaker 5: Murder charges against an Arizona dad who leaves his two
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Speaker 5: year old daughter to die inside the family car in
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Speaker 5: one hundred and nine degree heat.
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Speaker 1: One hundred and.
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Speaker 2: Nine degree heat, I thought it the highest in Arizona
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Speaker 2: was one hundred and eight. It's even hotter than I thought. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we're trying to make sense of what we are learning
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Speaker 2: right now, but this is what happens when mommy comes home.
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Speaker 2: Hold off, speaking of mommy, Alexis Tereschuk, did the dad work?
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Speaker 10: I did not know if the dad worked.
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Speaker 9: I believe that he She is a doctor, and I
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Speaker 9: believe that he took care of their children, because they
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Speaker 9: have three children.
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Speaker 2: I was wondering, Alexis Terestchuk, if this is a Sam
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Speaker 2: Haskell the Fourth situation where you remember the son of
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Speaker 2: the famous Hollywood agent that represents Whoopi Goldberg and Dolly
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Speaker 2: Parton and so many others. His son, Sam Haskell the Fourth,
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Speaker 2: the one that was on video whining about his steak
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Speaker 2: being too well done at some fancy restaurant there in
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Speaker 2: La right. His wife, who he killed. He's about to
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Speaker 2: go on trial for that. Her torso was found in
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Speaker 2: a dumpster. Not similar in that manner, but she was
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Speaker 2: the one working and supporting the entire family while he
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Speaker 2: went and had steak rare steaks at lunchtime. But in
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Speaker 2: his case, he didn't even take care of the children.
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Speaker 2: Her parents had moved in to take care of the children.
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Speaker 2: It seems as if in this case, the dad is
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Speaker 2: taking care of the children. Of course, Parker is now
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Speaker 2: dead on his watch. But this is what happens when
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Speaker 2: mommy gets home.
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Speaker 13: Arriving home a few minutes after four pm, doctor Erica
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Speaker 13: Schultz sees her five and nine year old daughters and
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Speaker 13: asked husband Chris, where is their two year old daughter, Parker.
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Speaker 13: Christopher Schultz first begins looking in the rooms of the house,
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Speaker 13: then darts outside, where he realizes he left Parker in
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Speaker 13: the Accura. The vehicle is off, the air conditioner is
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Speaker 13: not running, the outside temperature is over one hundred and
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Speaker 13: nine degrees, and Parker Schultz is taken out of the car, unresponsive,
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Speaker 13: strapped in her child restraint system.
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Speaker 2: So mommy gets home from a long day working at
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Speaker 2: the hospital to question where is my daughter? She sees
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Speaker 2: her five and nine year olds, but she can't find
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Speaker 2: the baby.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is what we learn happened.
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Speaker 8: Arriving home from running errands. Christopher Schultz notices his two
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Speaker 8: year old daughter, Parker, is asleep in her car seat.
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Speaker 8: Rather than disturbing her by waking her up to go
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Speaker 8: inside the house, the Pima County, Arizona father of three
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Speaker 8: decides to leave the toddler in the vehicle with the
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Speaker 8: air conditioner running. Schultz knows from previous experience with his
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Speaker 8: accurate MDX the air conditioner and vehicle will run for
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Speaker 8: about thirty minutes before shutting off automatically.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is.
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Speaker 2: A renowned medical examiner, the chief medical examiner in Terran County.
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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, Texas. Never a lack of business there.
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Speaker 2: Lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, doctor
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Speaker 2: Kimball Crowns, is joining us.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kimball Crowns.
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Speaker 2: There are several ways to die, but dying in a
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Speaker 2: hot car is not one I would wish on anyone.
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Speaker 2: What happens during a hot car death?
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Speaker 10: All right?
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Speaker 1: So what you die?
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Speaker 14: You die from hyperthermia or heat stroke. In babies especially,
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Speaker 14: they don't adjust to heat as well as adults. So
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Speaker 14: they add their body is actually heat up about three
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Speaker 14: to five times faster than an adult, so they're even
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Speaker 14: more exquisitely sensitive to heat changes. So what happens is,
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Speaker 14: initially you begin sweating, your blood vessels dilate or days
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Speaker 14: of dilation, as the blood is kind of pumped more
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Speaker 14: to your skin surface to try and cool your body off.
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Speaker 14: As you become hotter and hotter, you're sweating more, You're
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Speaker 14: you're shunting more of your blood to your skin surface,
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Speaker 14: so you have less blood circulating throughout your body. And
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Speaker 14: then eventually this results in your heart going beating faster,
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Speaker 14: you start becoming lightheaded, you start vomiting, becoming dizzy, and
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Speaker 14: then eventually you stop sweating because you have no more
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Speaker 14: fluid left, and then your body goes into organ failure.
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Speaker 14: Your heart and kidneys shut down, and you die. And
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Speaker 14: this happens over the course of minutes to thirty minutes.
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Speaker 14: Especially in a child in that hot of an environment,
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Speaker 14: they're not going to last very long.
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Speaker 5: A toddler left in a car for over three hours
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Speaker 5: dies as Arizona summer temperatures soar to one hundred and
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Speaker 5: nine degrees.
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Speaker 2: I learned a lot about this from a doctor that
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Speaker 2: actually got in a hot car and suffered to keep
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Speaker 2: people from leaving their pits in a car.
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Speaker 7: Listen, I'm your pet, and I'm now in the car.
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Speaker 7: I've got all four windows cracked down about an inch.
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Speaker 7: So let's start a timer and let's see exactly how
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Speaker 7: hot it gets in here. It's one hundred and six
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Speaker 7: in here at ten minutes in, and I'm beginning to
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Speaker 7: wonder if this was a very bad idea. Indeed, I'm
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Speaker 7: at fifteen minutes now and it's about one hundred and
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Speaker 7: ten in my car. Twenty five minutes. It's now, oh gosh,
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Speaker 7: what is it? One hundred and thirteen degrees thirty minutes
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Speaker 7: in a parked car with a windows cracked. The temperature
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Speaker 7: right now is about one fifteen one sixteen, really hot.
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Speaker 7: The only thought that's going through my head right now
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Speaker 7: is I just I want out.
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Speaker 1: Of the car.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 7: It's just everything in my body is saying, get out,
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Speaker 7: get out, get out. I can just feel rivulets of
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Speaker 7: sweat just careening down my body.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown is joining us. We're now Medical Examiner
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Speaker 2: out of Fort Worth. Chief medical Examiner, Doctor Kendall Crown's again,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm trying to understand
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Speaker 2: I heard your explanation earlier of what happens when a
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Speaker 2: person dies of hot card death. I understand the organs
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Speaker 2: start shutting down a little over when the body gets
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Speaker 2: to a little over one hundred degrees. Death occurs, of
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Speaker 2: course by one o seven one hundred and seven degrees.
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Speaker 1: But what is heat stroke? Does the person? Does the
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Speaker 1: baby die of heat stroke? Whatever that is?
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Speaker 2: Because it's got the word stroke in it, Why is
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Speaker 2: it heat stroke? Does your body respond to the heat
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Speaker 2: like it's having a stroke. And I'm trying to reconcile
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Speaker 2: that doctor Kenel Craws with what I know about. I
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Speaker 2: hate to say his name because it just the baby
22:09
Speaker 2: we spoke of earlier.
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Speaker 1: Whose.
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Speaker 2: Back of his head was all scratched up and he
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Speaker 2: had been scratching at his neck.
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Speaker 1: How does that fit in with your explanation?
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Speaker 14: So as you become more and more hot, you can
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Speaker 14: become confused. People can start seizing, which would cause them
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Speaker 14: to maybe hit their head back. Also trying to get
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Speaker 14: out of the environment as well. You'll be clawing at
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Speaker 14: whatever is restricting you. Even a baby is going to
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Speaker 14: try and get out of there if they can, so
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Speaker 14: they'll be pulling at the seatbelt, etc. Or pounding their
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Speaker 14: head on something, So it can be a seizure, it
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Speaker 14: could be them trying to get out of the restraints.
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Speaker 14: Any of those could result in the injuries that you're describing.
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Speaker 14: As far as the heat stroke question, it's basically, as
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Speaker 14: your blood is being shunted to your skin surface to
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Speaker 14: try and cool you off, it's decreasing the amount of blood.
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Speaker 6: You have and the rest of your body.
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Speaker 14: So it's not unlike a stroke or even can cause
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Speaker 14: a heart attack because you don't get enough oxygenated blood
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Speaker 14: to your brain and your heart, which can cause them
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Speaker 14: to shut down. But it's really more from the volume
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Speaker 14: shift of the blood to the skin surface instead of
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Speaker 14: it going to the organs that results in heart failure
23:29
Speaker 14: and kidney failure.
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Speaker 1: How long would it take to die in hot car,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kindall Crowns.
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Speaker 14: For an adult, it could be, you know, a lot
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Speaker 14: longer than for a kid. The kids are get hotter
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Speaker 14: about three to five times faster than an adult, So
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Speaker 14: I would say in that hot environment under an hour.
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Speaker 14: For an infant, probably under thirty minutes.
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Kindle Crowns. The other week was with
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Speaker 2: my son. We went to a basketball game where he
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Speaker 2: was playing and I was working, so he went ahead
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Speaker 2: in to warm up, and I sat in his truck
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Speaker 2: with cargo with it going. The truck was going and
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Speaker 2: continued to work, and I noticed it seemed like after
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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes that the car shut off, even though
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Speaker 2: I had the keyfob, that the truck shut off, even
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Speaker 2: though I had the keyfob. I thought, well, it's not
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Speaker 2: so hot in here, so I left it off and
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Speaker 2: I kept working. After about ten minutes with the car
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Speaker 2: with the truck off, it felt like I couldn't breathe.
24:34
Speaker 2: I reached over and turned it back on and turned
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Speaker 2: on the air conditioned back on.
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Speaker 1: But what is that sensation?
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Speaker 2: I know that there was air in the cab of
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Speaker 2: the truck, but it felt like there wasn't any air.
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Speaker 1: It was stifling.
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Speaker 14: It's again, as your body is reacting to the heat,
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Speaker 14: your blood vessels are beginning to dilate, so the blood's
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Speaker 14: coming to your skin surface to try and cool you off,
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Speaker 14: and that's shipping bood volumes, making you you consciously feel
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Speaker 14: that there's something changed internally. It can make you feel
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Speaker 14: like you're not being able to breathe, or you'll start
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Speaker 14: getting a headache or getting dizzy. So any of that
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Speaker 14: reaction you're having is your body's compensating for that heat,
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Speaker 14: and that's making you feel uncomfortable. So as an adult,
25:18
Speaker 14: you know, you'll turn the car back on, you'll get
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Speaker 14: out of the car, go somewhere cooler. But a kid
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Speaker 14: or a baby who's trapped in their restraining device of
25:27
Speaker 14: a car seat can't move, so they're feeling all that too,
25:30
Speaker 14: but they can't get out of that environment, and no
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Speaker 14: one's coming.
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Speaker 6: To help them.
25:33
Speaker 2: So this is what we know of what the dad
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Speaker 2: in Parker's case said to investigators.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 13: Chris Schultz tells investigators he got home around two thirty PM,
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Speaker 13: and since his daughter was asleep in the car, he
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Speaker 13: decides to let the car run with the air conditioner
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Speaker 13: on rather than wake her up and take her inside.
25:53
Speaker 13: Schultz says he got distracted putting away groceries and playing
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Speaker 13: video games. Schultz tells police he knows his I Create
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Speaker 13: MDX will run for around thirty minutes with the air
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Speaker 13: conditioner operating before automatically shutting off.
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Speaker 2: Joining me high profile defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen. So why is he lying about the time
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Speaker 2: he got home? How do you explain that at trial,
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Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen?
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Speaker 12: You explain it at trial, Nancy by saying.
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Speaker 6: He wasn't lying. I am not lying. My client wasn't lying.
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Speaker 12: He believed that he got home at the time that
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Speaker 12: he told everyone he did. The fact that the scientific
26:32
Speaker 12: evidence disagrees makes him not telling the truth, but it
26:37
Speaker 12: doesn't make him a liar. It doesn't also explain why
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Speaker 12: he didn't go out and check on his child. But
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Speaker 12: on the other hand, he knew the car was running,
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Speaker 12: he knew the air conditioning would be on for at
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Speaker 12: least thirty minutes, and in his mind, time just went
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Speaker 12: by very quickly. I'm not a video game player, but
26:59
Speaker 12: as a game player, time just goes by more quickly
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Speaker 12: than you can believe.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so the baby's in the car, He's got two
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Speaker 2: other little children, miners, all under.
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Speaker 1: Ten, in the home, and he leaves the baby out there.
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Speaker 2: And you're saying your defense would be time slips away.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you just said, Absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: I was busy. I was taking the groceries, I being
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Speaker 6: the defendant, the defendant was picking up the groceries. I'd stopped.
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Speaker 12: I went and played a video game or two and
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Speaker 12: I didn't realize how much time had gone by because.
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Speaker 6: I knew I did the right thing. I let her
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Speaker 6: sleep and I kept the car running.
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Speaker 12: Oh my gosh. I love my daughter. I would never
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Speaker 12: have let something happen to her. It's just an innocent mistake.
27:50
Speaker 12: Tournaments bad.
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Speaker 5: He's an amazing father, a mummy defends dead in court
27:56
Speaker 5: after he leaves their two year old daughter to die
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Speaker 5: a hot car.
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Speaker 1: An amazing dad. Okay, I'm concerned.
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Speaker 2: I get that the mom was begging the court for
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Speaker 2: dad to be released.
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Speaker 1: Say he's an amazing dad. But wait, listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Chris and Erica Schultz have two older daughters, ages nine
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Speaker 4: and five, and investigators conduct forensic interviews with them and
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Speaker 4: find out that their father, Chris Schultz, leaves all three
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Speaker 4: of them in the car alone regularly. It is the
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Speaker 4: children that tell investigators that during the time Parker was
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Speaker 4: left in the car, their father was distracted quote playing
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Speaker 4: his game and putting his food away.
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Speaker 1: Playing his game. What you know what?
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Speaker 2: Let me go to Karen Stark on this first ale
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Speaker 2: to stress track, Is that correct he was playing PlayStation
28:48
Speaker 2: while the baby's out dying in the car.
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Speaker 9: Yes, And the thing was he didn't con I didn't
28:53
Speaker 9: say to the police, oh gosh, you know what, I
28:55
Speaker 9: really did come home a tall thirty.
28:56
Speaker 10: The police investigated.
28:57
Speaker 9: They went door to door around this neighborhood and they
29:00
Speaker 9: asked for video from people bring cameras or home security,
29:03
Speaker 9: and that's when they saw him come in at one o'clock,
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Speaker 9: the full hour and a half, ninety minutes before he
29:09
Speaker 9: said he came home, so they had to go to
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Speaker 9: the neighbors to find that out. He didn't offer anything,
29:15
Speaker 9: and the children are the ones that said, well, yeah,
29:17
Speaker 9: daddy leaves us alone all the time.
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Speaker 10: And mommy sent him a text. The two of them
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Speaker 10: were texting.
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Speaker 9: It's part of the police court records, and she's after
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Speaker 9: it happened, she said, what is going on?
29:28
Speaker 10: I told you to stop leaving him them in the car.
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Speaker 9: How many times have I told you this? This is
29:35
Speaker 9: obviously a pattern with him. She knew that this was
29:38
Speaker 9: something that he did and she's asked to stop, and
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Speaker 9: he just couldn't be bothered.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Karen started joining me renown psychologist, TV radio trauma expert
29:57
Speaker 2: at karenstart dot com. Karen, did you say earlier forgotten
30:03
Speaker 2: baby syndrome.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, are you what is this some kind of
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Speaker 2: a defense that he had a syndrome where he has
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Speaker 2: some medical condition where he forgets the baby?
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, not manly, you just did. Do you
30:19
Speaker 1: know what you just did? You opened Pandora's box?
30:24
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Roman and or Greek mythology where
30:28
Speaker 2: the Pandora's box is opened and all the evils of
30:32
Speaker 2: the universe come out and they haunt and taunt and
30:37
Speaker 2: destroy mankind from then on. You've just probably handed over
30:42
Speaker 2: a defense straight to defense attorneys all over the country.
30:47
Speaker 2: Forgotten baby syndrome. Oh, that's what happened. Don't blame him.
30:52
Speaker 2: It was forgotten baby syndrome. It's not an excuse, Nancy.
30:55
Speaker 2: It's something that happens. But it doesn't mean that it's acceptable.
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Speaker 15: Well, especially in this case, it's not acceptable because he
31:04
Speaker 15: had been warned. It's not like it never happened before
31:09
Speaker 15: he was told, don't leave them in the car.
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Speaker 1: What is it? What's forgotten baby syndrome.
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Speaker 15: It's a syndrome that happens to parents when they happen
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Speaker 15: to be used to doing a certain routine. They always
31:23
Speaker 15: drop the baby off. They always go to work and
31:26
Speaker 15: something changes in the routine and they keep going on
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Speaker 15: automatic pilots straight to what they normally do, and they.
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Speaker 1: Actually forget the baby.
31:37
Speaker 15: And it's not excusable, but it does happen, and they
31:41
Speaker 15: love their child, and the brain keeps going into what
31:46
Speaker 15: they're used to doing. It doesn't apply in this case
31:50
Speaker 15: because this man was not going to work, he was
31:54
Speaker 15: not dropping off his child, and forgetting that he didn't
31:58
Speaker 15: drop off the child. In this case, he was home
32:02
Speaker 15: with three children. He was putting away groceries and playing games,
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Speaker 15: so there was no reason for him to forget that
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Speaker 15: his child was in the car. He just got abdarped
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Speaker 15: and the fun that he was having playing the game.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out is there some.
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Speaker 2: Type of an addiction to playing games or is this
32:25
Speaker 2: some type of a release where you've been working all day?
32:29
Speaker 2: Because I find myself listening to a book on tape,
32:33
Speaker 2: or researching for crime stories, just all sorts of things,
32:39
Speaker 2: and while I'm doing that, I'm not thinking about other matters.
32:44
Speaker 2: But I don't do it research work while I'm taking
32:49
Speaker 2: care of minor children.
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Speaker 1: So is that some kind of a mind release playing
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Speaker 1: the games?
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Speaker 15: Is, but it doesn't make sense to be doing that
32:59
Speaker 15: when you you are responsible for children. When you're responsible
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Speaker 15: for children, that is the first thing that should be
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Speaker 15: in your mind.
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Speaker 1: That was his job. His job was to take care
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Speaker 1: of these three children.
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Speaker 15: And he is an I hate to say, but this
33:14
Speaker 15: is the truth. He's an unfit parent. It's a use
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Speaker 15: when you are not paying attention to the three children
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Speaker 15: you have well.
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Speaker 1: And there's more to it than that.
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Speaker 2: There's more to it than just forgetting Amber Rollins is
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Speaker 2: joining a special guest. She is the director of Kids
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Speaker 2: in Car Safety at Kidsandcars dot org. Amber, you were
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Speaker 2: telling us about an app that you put on your
33:40
Speaker 2: phone that you hook up to your car. I write
33:45
Speaker 2: about something similar in my book Don't Be a Victim
33:48
Speaker 2: Where there are censors now that when you get out
33:52
Speaker 2: of your car, if something sitting on a back seat,
33:55
Speaker 2: it makes an alarm that should remind you, like the
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Speaker 2: day ding ding ding when you don't put on your
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Speaker 2: seat belt, ding ding ding, you're leaving a child in
34:04
Speaker 2: the back stat But tell me about that app you're describing.
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Speaker 11: So one thing that hasn't been reported about this case
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Speaker 11: in any of the news articles, except for one that
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Speaker 11: I've read is that the father knew that it had
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Speaker 11: this shut off, but he got a notification on his
34:21
Speaker 11: phone through the app that the car was shutting off,
34:26
Speaker 11: and he reported that on that day he did not
34:28
Speaker 11: get that reminder. And I just want to challenge this
34:32
Speaker 11: mindset that this father wasn't fit to be a parent.
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Speaker 10: We don't have all the facts yet.
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Speaker 11: They haven't released all of the facts in this case,
34:43
Speaker 11: so we're working with what has been released right now.
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Speaker 11: But this isn't unlike other cases that we've documented in
34:50
Speaker 11: our Safety has been tracking this issue for thirty years.
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Speaker 11: I have read in gruesome detail each and every single
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Speaker 11: one of those cases. There are other cases you're similar
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Speaker 11: to this, where a well intentioned parent came home, left
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Speaker 11: a sleeping child in the car, went inside, unloaded groceries,
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Speaker 11: you know, got into a routine, much like these parents
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Speaker 11: who were in a routine on autopilot mode driving from
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Speaker 11: home to work. You know, I'm not descending this father,
35:19
Speaker 11: but I'm also not condemning him because we just don't
35:22
Speaker 11: know what his intentions were.
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Speaker 16: I'm just asking if you can allow him to come
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Speaker 16: home to us so we can all start the grieving process,
35:28
Speaker 16: so that he can bury our daughter with us this
35:31
Speaker 16: upcoming week and that we can go through this process
35:34
Speaker 16: together as a family. This was a big mistake, and
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Speaker 16: I think that this doesn't represent him, and I just
35:44
Speaker 16: want the girls to see their father so that I don't.
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Speaker 10: Have to tell them tonight that they're going to endure
35:48
Speaker 10: another loss.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing doctor Erica Schultz. That's Christopher Schultz's wife,
35:53
Speaker 2: the mother of baby Parker. That was from our friends at.
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Speaker 1: KVOA TV.
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Speaker 2: In court begging the court to allow her husband to
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Speaker 2: come home.
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Speaker 1: The family so distraught.
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Speaker 2: And I agree partially with what Amber Rollins was saying
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Speaker 2: the director at Kidsincars dot org that you can have
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Speaker 2: a very well intentioned parent that leaves a child in
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Speaker 2: the car. Does that make the child's death any less painful?
36:28
Speaker 2: Does that somehow bring the child back to life? No,
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Speaker 2: one may immediately regret the deed, but that does not
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Speaker 2: negate the intent or frame of mind at the time
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Speaker 2: of the incident. And I am reciting to you verbatim
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Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law. Remember, one
36:47
Speaker 2: may immediately regret the deed, that does not change the
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Speaker 2: facts at the time of the incident.
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Speaker 1: You may not like it, you might feel.
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Speaker 2: Sorry for the dad and the mom in a way
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Speaker 2: I do, but my responsibility and has always been, is
37:05
Speaker 2: to the crime victim. The child is dead, she suffered
37:11
Speaker 2: a horrible death.
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Speaker 1: Did he mean to do it? Of course not.
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any scenario in which he meant
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Speaker 2: for his child to die.
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Speaker 1: This is akin to.
37:24
Speaker 2: Driving a car at ninety mph through let's just say
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Speaker 2: a street market and four or five people getting mowed
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Speaker 2: down dead. You didn't mean to you didn't even know them.
37:37
Speaker 2: But it is an abandoned, malignant heart, as it is
37:41
Speaker 2: called in the law, a disregard for human life. And
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Speaker 2: it's not the first time.
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Speaker 4: Listen in a sweltering Hollywood, Florida Walmart parking lot on
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Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon, a five year old child is screaming from
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Speaker 4: the slightly cracked window in a hot car.
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Speaker 1: Mommy leaves her child.
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Speaker 4: Inside the audy with no ac while she shops inside.
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Speaker 4: CCTV shows thirty four year old Anastasia Multilava shopping while
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Speaker 4: her child's trapped in the car. She's arrested and facing
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Speaker 4: charges of felony child neglect.
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Speaker 2: That child lived, You were hearing Nicole Parton from Crime
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Speaker 2: Online dot com and of course, West Memphis listen.
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Speaker 8: West Memphis, Tennessee. Employees of a cent Children's Health Services
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Speaker 8: failed to do the most basic part of their job,
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Speaker 8: count children in and out of the van and taking
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Speaker 8: roll call inside. Four employees claim they did their job
38:37
Speaker 8: the day, five year old Christopher Gardner is left in
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Speaker 8: a van all day, strapped into a booster seat for
38:43
Speaker 8: eight hours. The todd was marked present in class while
38:46
Speaker 8: he was actually trapped in the van trying to take
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Speaker 8: off his clothes to cool down. When a worker went
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Speaker 8: to the van to take the children home, five year
38:54
Speaker 8: old Christopher was found dead.
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Speaker 2: And there you have daycare workers, and they made the mistake,
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Speaker 2: the fatal mistake of leaving a child strapped in a
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Speaker 2: hot car. Intentions do they matter? What we know is
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Speaker 2: that this child suffered a horrible death. We know that
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Speaker 2: the mother, a well known doctor in the area, begged
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Speaker 2: for the husband to be let out of jail and
39:23
Speaker 2: not stay behind bars. Alexis Teresschuk was her request granted?
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Speaker 4: It was?
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 2: The judge did grant that everyone hot car deaths happen.
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Speaker 2: If you have questions, dial one eight hundred four two
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Speaker 2: two four four five three. If you really care about
39:41
Speaker 2: your minor children. Look into the app that would save
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Speaker 2: your child from a hot car death that we were
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Speaker 2: hearing about from our guest, Amber Rawlins. Go to kidsincars
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Speaker 2: dot org and save your child. Pass it on as
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Speaker 2: temperatures increase outside. We can stop the deaths of children
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Speaker 2: all across our country. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.