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Ross Fulton Analysis: Was Arthur Smith The Right Pick For Ohio State? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyees tomorrow morning for Tuesday, January twenty seventh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tom Morthy. Ball State game is in
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty one days. The game AGA's Michigan
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  Speaker 1: in three hundred and five days. On today's show, we're
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  Speaker 1: welcoming in our buddy, Ross Fulton, the ex's and o's
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  Speaker 1: Ross on the show just a couple of days ago
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the Ohio State offensive ordinator position and
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  Speaker 1: what they might be looking for and who might be
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  Speaker 1: a good fit there. One of the names we talked
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  Speaker 1: about briefly was Arthur Smith. And then just a matter
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  Speaker 1: of hours after we release that show, Ohio State and out.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it has officially announced yet, but it
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  Speaker 1: has become widely apparent that Arthur Smith is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the next offensive coordinator at Ohio State. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to welcome Ross back in and to talk specifically
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  Speaker 1: about our Arthur Smith and what he might bring to
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  Speaker 1: the buck Eyes. Ross, let's start on sort of like
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  Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot view here, because the first thing
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  Speaker 1: you talked about in the last show was sort of
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  Speaker 1: the organizational piece of this and that is not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the most exciting piece of this hire, but it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like it is maybe one of the more important pieces
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  Speaker 1: of this higher So why does having someone like Arthur Smith,
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  Speaker 1: with his background in the NFL, having been both an
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a head coach there, why does that
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  Speaker 1: potentially help make this an important and good addition to
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio State staff.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, like you know we talked about the other day,
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of the general principles and now we can
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  Speaker 2: apply them specifically here. You know, I mean a big
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  Speaker 2: part of the job is just you know, being a
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  Speaker 2: middle manager for lack of a better term, right, Like
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  Speaker 2: you are the offensive coordinator who you are now in
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  Speaker 2: charge of the four five other assistants I guess with
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  Speaker 2: the over the ten headcount role now on that side
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  Speaker 2: of the football, and say you want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that every one is on the same page, you know,
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  Speaker 2: swimming in the same direction, if you will. And you
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  Speaker 2: know that comes from sort of like funneling down like
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  Speaker 2: the scheme and what you're teaching each position group, and
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  Speaker 2: just like you know, a big chunk of as we've discussed,
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  Speaker 2: is not so much like the plays you call on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: but like the game planning that goes on in the
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  Speaker 2: offseason and during the week that you then take place.
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  Speaker 2: You know from that you know fit within the specific
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  Speaker 2: game and so there's just a lot of that that
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  Speaker 2: you can with Having someone with the experience that Arthur
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  Speaker 2: Smith has, as you listed, can take that off of
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day's plate, so he doesn't have to be in
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  Speaker 2: every offensive meeting if he doesn't want to be. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's otherwise a pretty young offensive staff with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of guys who have kind of grown in their positions
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  Speaker 2: under Day, and so you're just bringing a sort of
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  Speaker 2: as you said, sort of venturing. Although Arthur Smith's not
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  Speaker 2: that old, only forty three, but you know who has
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  Speaker 2: done it is both an offensive coordinator, a head coach
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  Speaker 2: and can run in the room and get all the
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  Speaker 2: coaches then like sort of spreading spreading the message out
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  Speaker 2: to their position groups and the rest of the team.
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting that he is in some
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  Speaker 1: ways kind of similar to Matt Patricia, where really NFL
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  Speaker 1: guy mostly as a in terms of background, but was
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  Speaker 1: always pretty solid as a coordinator, got a shot as
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  Speaker 1: a head coach that didn't work out. Is there something
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  Speaker 1: about that profile that you know, maybe maybe it's someone who,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm just sort of thinking this through, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've you've been a head coach and it didn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: and so you're not necessarily chasing that now, and that
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  Speaker 1: this maybe makes going back to college a more appealing
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  Speaker 1: next step. Maybe I don't know, is it is there
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  Speaker 1: something there or is this just sort of a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a coincidence that that's sort of the profile
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  Speaker 1: for both of these coordinators.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's certainly the profile that Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Day is looking for. He obviously likes THEE and relates
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  Speaker 2: to people with NFL experience. Uh, you know, I'd even
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  Speaker 2: almost put Patricia and Smith in a little bit different categories, right,
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  Speaker 2: They were each as you said, they each had their
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  Speaker 2: head coach and Shot obviously both fired, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: pretty much everyone in the NFL gets fired eventually, but
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  Speaker 2: I would say Patricia was maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: even on that outs in general from the league by
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  Speaker 2: that point because then he you know, he had his
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  Speaker 2: time with the Patriots on the offensive side, and with
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles with sort of a weird he had to
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  Speaker 2: take over play calling. Then he was out of football
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  Speaker 2: for a year. Whereas you know Arthur Smith, yes, his
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  Speaker 2: tenure as at Falkins head coach didn't work out, but
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, he was employed by the last two
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  Speaker 2: years as offensive cording for the Steelers. They made the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs this year. I mean, he's never been fired as
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  Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator. He you know, it just happened that
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  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin was ready to step aside, and you know
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  Speaker 2: he by all accounts, it seemed like Arthur Smith had
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  Speaker 2: potential offensive cordner opportunities for other teams and fl and
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  Speaker 2: made the choice. So I think there's definitely a profile
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  Speaker 2: that Ryan Day is going for with these sort of again,
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  Speaker 2: people who can be trusted to, you know, be in
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  Speaker 2: charge of their side of the football and have that
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  Speaker 2: experience at the highest levels but I think in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd say probably Arthur Smith was a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more in demand at the moment than Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 2: even was.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, so we've gotten through some of the big
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  Speaker 1: picture stuff. Now here's what everyone has come here for.
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  Speaker 1: All right, How is Arthur Smith going to completely revolutionaries
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  Speaker 1: Ohio States offense? You know what we talked on the
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  Speaker 1: last show. You've got guys who maybe are more specializing
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  Speaker 1: in the passing side of things or more specializing in
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  Speaker 1: the run side of things. My sense, and you can
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here, is that he's known
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more on the run game side
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  Speaker 1: of things. What does he potentially bring and how does
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  Speaker 1: that maybe marry into you know, what are some maybe
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  Speaker 1: concepts that he's known for, or specific personnel groupings or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then how does that maybe marry in with what
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day likes to do on offense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, I pointed this out on X
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday when it was when the announcement was made.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, as you said, a not official announcement, but reported.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's always going to be Ryan Day's offense
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  Speaker 2: at Ohio State. You know, I think that Arthur Smith
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  Speaker 2: will they will update things. I think we can get
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  Speaker 2: into this, like particularly in the run game, but it's
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  Speaker 2: it's still gonna be like Day's overall framework, right, and
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  Speaker 2: like you can again contrast that there's probably a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more freedom on the defensive side of the ball
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  Speaker 2: in the sense of like obviously Days not a defensive coach,
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  Speaker 2: like he doesn't have that background. Although I will say
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  Speaker 2: even on defense, like there's certainly like some principles like
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  Speaker 2: the single high cover three framework the Day like, so
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  Speaker 2: I think and he's talked about like when Patricia was higher,
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  Speaker 2: like keeping the Ohio State defense quote unquote, So I
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  Speaker 2: don't think things are going to look radically different. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Arthur Smith is he coached under you know, Kyle Shanahan,
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  Speaker 2: Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur, so you you sort of have
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  Speaker 2: that framework in place. There's some similarities, you know, Ryan Day,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of some of the run game play, action
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  Speaker 2: passing game sort of Mike Shanahan, you know, based system
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  Speaker 2: and framework. So there there are some some overlaps there.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that this is sort of a runback
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  Speaker 2: of twenty four if you will, or like you know, Day,
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  Speaker 2: I think feels the most confident and what frankly, what
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  Speaker 2: Day is known for is you know, his drop back,
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  Speaker 2: downfield passing game right and the offensive coordinator that he
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  Speaker 2: brought in with Chim Kelly. Then farther, Smith now is
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  Speaker 2: no more for the run side of the offense, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think that's sort of like the marriage he
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  Speaker 2: seems to be looking for for about lack of a
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  Speaker 2: better term term, you know, whereas Kelly though was sort
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  Speaker 2: of known as like at least traditionally had been like
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  Speaker 2: the sort of the spread run game college guru, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Arthur Smith again, like as I said, it's like much
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  Speaker 2: more of like that Shanahan under center, multiple tight ends,
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  Speaker 2: wide zone duo NFL framework, which will be an interesting
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  Speaker 2: mesh up. It sort of plays into where Day was
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  Speaker 2: going this year with the increased tight end usage. You know, especially,
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  Speaker 2: I think Arthur Smith's job is to get the Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State run game to a point where it functions well
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  Speaker 2: without a quarterback run threat. You know, we talked about that, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think that that has been an issue
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  Speaker 2: for Day, where the run game has been less effective
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  Speaker 2: whenever he does not have a quarterback run threat. And
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of like one of the downsides of like
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  Speaker 2: the you know, shotgun spread looks, and so you know Day,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I would expect, just like guessing
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  Speaker 2: that there will be some more even more increase, a
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  Speaker 2: further increase. I guess, I would say in under center
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  Speaker 2: looks with Julian saying, you know, Smith I think has
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  Speaker 2: an effective play action pass game. You know what you
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  Speaker 2: saw some with him in Pittsburgh, and Aaron Rodgers is
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  Speaker 2: like some RPOs from under center even where you're sort
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  Speaker 2: of making those same reads and you know you can
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  Speaker 2: pull from the run play and throw it. So I
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  Speaker 2: expect that. So those are things that like you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can sort of build into the existing framework of
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  Speaker 2: the offense or emphasize. Right, So like we've seen Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State obviously at one point with Kevin Wilson and Day
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  Speaker 2: it was like very stretch wide zone heavy. They move
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  Speaker 2: more towards gap runs. I would expect them to go
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  Speaker 2: back more towards zone inside zone, outside zone, and then
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  Speaker 2: as I said, like some more duo from underst or
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  Speaker 2: particular with the tight ends. So maybe maybe back away
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  Speaker 2: from some of the gap towards more of a zone system.
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  Speaker 2: But like you know, Arthur Smith wherever he's been, has
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  Speaker 2: been you know, a successful with the run game and
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  Speaker 2: sort of implementing like the finer points to, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: effectively run the football.
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  Speaker 1: That was actually something that I have seen people talk
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  Speaker 1: about that I thought was really interesting that that it's
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  Speaker 1: very very detail focused with him, and that that's that's
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  Speaker 1: something that he's kind of known for, just the real
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  Speaker 1: minutia of stuff. And when you listen to people talk
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  Speaker 1: about Kurt Signetti and why Indiana has been so good,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of the same stuff. It's just they're
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  Speaker 1: so detail oriented, they're so focused on the minutia. It's
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  Speaker 1: the same way people talk about the Iowa defense, where
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  Speaker 1: the Iowa defense doesn't necessarily do a ton of exciting stuff,
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  Speaker 1: they just do it so well and they execute it
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  Speaker 1: so so well. I wonder if that's part of you know,
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  Speaker 1: are everyone's trying to figure out how to get more
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  Speaker 1: like Indiana and Indiana has solved football, right, So is
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  Speaker 1: that you know, is that something that's maybe part of this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what made him the pick here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think yeah, that that like attention
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  Speaker 2: to detail in the run game I do think is important,
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  Speaker 2: Like especially you know in the combination blocks and the identification,
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  Speaker 2: like some of the issues we talked about this year,
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  Speaker 2: you know, where you're getting different fronts on the fly
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  Speaker 2: and you're you're having to adjust to what you're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that's where like some of the breakdowns
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  Speaker 2: came from, you know, the offensive line, tight end room,
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  Speaker 2: running backs. It's sort of like, you know, it may
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  Speaker 2: be drawn up one way, but then you know, people
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  Speaker 2: obviously not stagnant. You're maybe getting a look that you're
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  Speaker 2: not entirely prepared for, and then you get like miss assignment.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like less you know, just getting beat
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  Speaker 2: one on one. It was more like not blocking the
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  Speaker 2: wrong guys, leaving a comma block too early, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: not identifying the block. And so that's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: detail I think they need. Like I think again, like Day, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of attention into the passing game,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think it's helpful to have someone like
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  Speaker 2: that and that can can bring that to the run
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  Speaker 2: game and sort of hopefully, you know, ideally for Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State sort of marry the two things together. And then
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  Speaker 2: as I said, like you know, he's always Arthur Smith's
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  Speaker 2: always been effective with play action pass. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: pretty important again with saying and you know he is
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  Speaker 2: not a run threat or a significant one, but like
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  Speaker 2: he's very effective with his ball handling under center, his
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  Speaker 2: like carrying out play action. He's good on bootlegs, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think trying to marry that up and sort
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  Speaker 2: of you know, you can see again like we talked about,
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  Speaker 2: like with the huddling, with the NFL style, the Day
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  Speaker 2: has wanted to play with on offense already, and it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense to get someone who's familiar with that and
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  Speaker 2: that's what he does.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We got to address the elephant in the room,
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  Speaker 1: which is that you have said the words tight end
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit on the show, more than you have
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  Speaker 1: said the words wide receiver. And I know that that
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  Speaker 1: is everyone big concern. That is Arthur Smith going to
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  Speaker 1: completely disregard all of the lessons from the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five Ohio State football season and exclusively run thirteen and
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  Speaker 1: fourteen personnel packages. Can you please talk people off the
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  Speaker 1: ledge on that or more people need to be on
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  Speaker 1: the ledge because that's exactly what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think people should be on the ledge for
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  Speaker 2: either case. Again, so as I said, like this is
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  Speaker 2: Day's offense, right, So like we're not talking about any
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  Speaker 2: radical changes obviously. You know, I would say like Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State probably has a deeper wide receiver room now next
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  Speaker 2: year than they did this year, right with the portal
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  Speaker 2: Transfert edition. So they I don't think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: like stop playing eleven personnel anytime, saying with three wide receivers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I do think that they will continue to
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  Speaker 2: use two and three tight end sets obviously, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: just the way football is going right now. Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: things are cyclical. If anyone you know, watched the Ramseyhawks
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  Speaker 2: game on Sunday lots of two and three tight end sets,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it is you know, the theory is sound right,
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  Speaker 2: Like you're putting a run heavy side to one side
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  Speaker 2: and then opposite. You know, if you have a Jeremia Smith,
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  Speaker 2: you're forcing defenses to Are you going to devote you know,
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  Speaker 2: two to three defenders to Jeremi Smith and you know
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  Speaker 2: be light in the box or are you going to
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  Speaker 2: play the heavy set and leave you know, single coverage.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the theory, Like the it was, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: like upon for a reflection. In some ways, it was
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  Speaker 2: more of the implementation last year, Like we talked about
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  Speaker 2: some of the issues with like when they're bringing extra
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  Speaker 2: bodies in, like this gets into the details, like we
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  Speaker 2: should against the dan up. You know, that brings additional
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  Speaker 2: defenders into the box on the edges, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times, like especially with gap schemes when they were
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  Speaker 2: at thirteen personnel, it was like misidentification of who's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be walking to who you know, the tight end
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  Speaker 2: blocked down? Is you bluck out? Who are you pulling
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  Speaker 2: and leading on? You know, I personally think it works
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  Speaker 2: a little bit better with the way that like MC
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  Speaker 2: and obviously like Arthur Smith do it like twelve and
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  Speaker 2: thirteen to run duo and wide zone where then you're
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  Speaker 2: just like you're the principles remain the same for the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line and tight ends, but now you're just creating
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  Speaker 2: additional gaps for the defense to have to defend, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have play action pass off of that and
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  Speaker 2: part of it. Just like you know, they just need
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  Speaker 2: more effectiveness out of the tight end room, both as
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  Speaker 2: blockers and receivers. You know, I think they never quite
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  Speaker 2: could figure out last year how to use Max Clayer
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  Speaker 2: because they never quite trusted him as like an inline blocker,
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  Speaker 2: and so that like loses some of the effectiveness of
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  Speaker 2: those sets without the play action pass right off of it.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, they brought into obviously you know, transfer
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  Speaker 2: tight ends. It gives them some flexibility. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: this is all a way to say, like, I do
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  Speaker 2: not expect them to certainly don't expect them to move
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  Speaker 2: away from it. I think you're gonna still see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: plenty of two and three tight end sets. Don't do
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  Speaker 2: not think it's gonna be something exclusive. You know, we're
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  Speaker 2: not talking about returning to the days of what do
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  Speaker 2: he hate and Jim Trussell here, But I do think,
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  Speaker 2: like as you're seeing across football, particularly at the NFL
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  Speaker 2: level right now, it's becoming more of a weapon that
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  Speaker 2: teams are using.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So there you go. There is your update
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  Speaker 1: on Arthur Smith, the almost maybe not quite but probably
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  Speaker 1: pretty soon Ohio State offensive coordinator. Will let you know
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  Speaker 1: when that does officially become official, and then we'll probably
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  Speaker 1: have Ross back on at some point. Take a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more of a deep dive on some of the
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  Speaker 1: guys they brought into the transfer portal and what that all.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe with this all sort of means big picture in
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  Speaker 1: terms of what to expect.
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• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the menu and make a reservation today. That'll do it
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: for today. Thank you guys all for joining us. Have
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.