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Brian Thomas with Donovan O'Neil -- 1/28/26 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Listener lunch. Next Wednesday, Ron's Roofs the place to be
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  Speaker 1: up to seeded there. Always look forward to this time
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  Speaker 1: of the week as well. I love my Wednesdays, guys.
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  Speaker 1: A lot going on on Wednesdays. And welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show from Americans for Prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil. Great heaving you on today as always.
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  Speaker 2: Donovan, Brian, always good to be with you on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Morning, say staying warm.
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  Speaker 2: I hope, oh trying.
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  Speaker 3: It's not easy though.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like vd gramis why I
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  Speaker 1: mean hope he's an next governor, not only because he's
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  Speaker 1: got great ideas across the board. One of them he
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  Speaker 1: embraces the idea of education choice. And I know we've
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  Speaker 1: made steps and inroads in the state of Ohio to
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  Speaker 1: bring us some choice. Whether it's enough or not remains
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  Speaker 1: to be seen. And you are pushing this, the Americans
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  Speaker 1: for Prosperity, This this universal educational choice, a new look
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  Speaker 1: at funding education. What's this new report you release, what's
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  Speaker 1: a breakdown? And uh, ultimately we'll get to what's our
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  Speaker 1: what's our action plan? Donovan O'Neil.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's National School Choice Week every year about
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  Speaker 2: this time. I'm across the country, folks, advocates for school
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  Speaker 2: choice celebrate National School Choice Week. It's an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: sort of recognize or reflect those wins so America's prosperity.
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  Speaker 2: We released a report, the Universal Education Our Universal Educational
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  Speaker 2: Choice basically breaks down a map of states by fully
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  Speaker 2: funded choice programs, largely funded, partially funded, and I'm proud
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  Speaker 2: to say Ohio is one of the states that is
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  Speaker 2: a fully funded school choice program. What that means, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: for your listeners, benefit is we don't cap the amount
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  Speaker 2: of ED choice vouchers. So if you're you know, a
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  Speaker 2: single mama three and you're looking at your kids report
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  Speaker 2: card and you're saying, gosh, the school they are in
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  Speaker 2: today just isn't working for them, you have the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to go out there, get an ED choice voucher and
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  Speaker 2: get your kid into a school that best meets their needs.
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  Speaker 2: It's powerful stuff, and we're proud during School Choice Week
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  Speaker 2: to be highlighting some of the accomplishments we've made here
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  Speaker 2: in the Buckeye State.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the idea of choice, I embraced it,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the teacher didn't need react is no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to run the public schools. We're allah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: what don't I don't understand their arguments, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how they that people can even embrace the idea
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  Speaker 1: of not allowing for school choice. But you talk about
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  Speaker 1: the failure of the of the public schools. When you
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  Speaker 1: look at the testing scores, they're miserable and in some
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  Speaker 1: places just almost impossible to believe, Like, how is it?
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  Speaker 1: How is it possible that a kid that's reached the
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  Speaker 1: eighth grade fails a standardized test on math or reading?
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  Speaker 1: How is that even possible by the time they reach
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  Speaker 1: that age. But sometimes it's not necessarily, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: curriculum that's being taught, it's the methodology. Some children just
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  Speaker 1: can't handle that static sit in a classroom for the
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  Speaker 1: forty five minute length of whatever they're listening to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: remain calm and absorb material. There are different methodologies and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes maybe the kid isn't really stupid, perhaps he's brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: But if a different teaching methodology was used, that wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be one size fits all. That kid could excel. Who
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't want that option, like you like choosing a monassory
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  Speaker 1: type school versus a traditional I mean some people have
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  Speaker 1: had wonderful luck with that in teaching kids that have
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  Speaker 1: a challenge learning right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, and that sets off that's at the heart
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  Speaker 2: of this right. The opponents of school choice often point
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  Speaker 2: to their whole argument is based in dollar amounts and
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  Speaker 2: saying that that this is only zero sum game and
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  Speaker 2: there's only so much pie to go around. But when
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  Speaker 2: you stop and you listen to school choice advocates, the
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  Speaker 2: folks who are pushing for these reforms, pushing for families
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  Speaker 2: to be empowered, it's not about the dollars and cents.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually about what do we do to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that families have the resources they need to put the
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  Speaker 2: child in the education experience that they that will help
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  Speaker 2: unlock their full potential. And so this isn't and by
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  Speaker 2: the way, when we think about School Choice Week, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just about getting kids out of public schools. There's
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  Speaker 2: a universal open enrollment right. We want kids to be
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  Speaker 2: able to go, whether it's homeschool, private school, public school,
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  Speaker 2: charter school, online, micro learning, whatever it might be. We
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  Speaker 2: want kids and families to be able to go to
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  Speaker 2: the place it's going to bast meet their needs. And
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  Speaker 2: like you're talking about brand, unleash that opportunity. That's what
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  Speaker 2: this is all about. And the folks who push back
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  Speaker 2: against this really just operate from a more control paradigm
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  Speaker 2: rather than at freedom and liberty perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Control paradigm because they see their livelihood maybe threatened because
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  Speaker 1: of their own failure. I can't address the failure part,
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  Speaker 1: but I certainly can embrace the idea of choice in
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  Speaker 1: this let's pause from over, bring Donald O'Neil back for
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  Speaker 1: Americans per prosperity and what national data shows, notwithstanding what
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  Speaker 1: the teachers Union might say, what national data shows about
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  Speaker 1: demand for school choice, how Ohio model is actually working,
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  Speaker 1: and why new caps and restrictions hurt families not schools.
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  Speaker 1: Seven forty Here I fifty by KERCD talk station Happy
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday dot on a'neil Americans for Prosperity on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about education choice and fortunately actually Ohio an
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  Speaker 1: outlier in school choice, one of only eight states that
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  Speaker 1: have made universal choice truly accessible to families. Now, before
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  Speaker 1: we figure out what the national data show is real
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  Speaker 1: quick here, can you just walk me through the voucher process.
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  Speaker 1: I let's think my kids are grown, they're adults. I've
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  Speaker 1: been through this my public their public school education worked
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  Speaker 1: out fine. Didn't have to worry about choice because the
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  Speaker 1: Loveland City Schools did a pretty decent job. But for
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  Speaker 1: someone out there who is entering this this choice, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kindergarten aged, I got kindergarten aged chilren, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go to public schools or whatever, how does the
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  Speaker 1: voucher process work?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Choose a family that is of limited resource, because I
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  Speaker 1: want to know, most notably for those who like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't afford private education. How's this going to help me?
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's the story on that, Donovan? Can you
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  Speaker 1: explain it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually it's actually pretty straightforward. You know. So
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  Speaker 2: you'd identify a school that you're interested in going to
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  Speaker 2: and they often have somebody available to help walk through
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  Speaker 2: the various scholarship and funding opportunities available to families. That
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  Speaker 2: money flows from the state, so it's not like you
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  Speaker 2: get a check from the state and then you have
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  Speaker 2: to like, you know, you deposit that in your own
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  Speaker 2: account and then take it to the school to pay
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  Speaker 2: for the education when you're enrolled in that you know
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  Speaker 2: that local school. For instance, my kids go to Saint
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  Speaker 2: Peter's in Mansfielt, Ohio, and so when they enroll at
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  Speaker 2: Saint Peter's in Mansfield, Saint Peter's reports that up to
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  Speaker 2: the state. State sends Saint Peter's that money, and my
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  Speaker 2: kids go to school for essentially zero dollars. We pay
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. These tuition is a little higher than
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  Speaker 2: the A Choice voucher, but it's far cheaper than a
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  Speaker 2: Catholic education was. You know, when I was a kid
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  Speaker 2: growing up, right, that was a luxury ittom only available
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  Speaker 2: to the elite. This is something that's available to everybody now,
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  Speaker 2: and so it's very simple, very straightforward. There are some
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  Speaker 2: means testing, so it does change based on your income
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  Speaker 2: about and that applies to everybody. So even if you're
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  Speaker 2: low income, you still have to make, you have to
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  Speaker 2: prove a few things to demonstrate your need. But all
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  Speaker 2: in all, it's a pretty straightforward, simple process for anybody
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  Speaker 2: who's interested in taking that leap and putting their kid
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  Speaker 2: in a school that might better meet their needs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you in your lived experience have determined this
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  Speaker 1: isn't beyond the reach, because I quite often I think
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  Speaker 1: people immediately defall to well, you know, the state's going
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  Speaker 1: to give me like some paltry amount. I can use
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  Speaker 1: it wherever I want. But that poultry amount's only going
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  Speaker 1: to cover maybe twenty percent or fifty percent even of
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  Speaker 1: the tuition annually, meaning I got to come up with
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  Speaker 1: the other jack for the tuition, and I can't do
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  Speaker 1: that because I'm on life's margins. But you're saying you, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: it really has addressed that component.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you couple that with these things called
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  Speaker 2: scholarship granting Organizations SGOs, which, by the way, for your listeners,
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  Speaker 2: talk to your tax professional whoever does your taxes, ask
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  Speaker 2: them about the SGO, the scholarship granting organization tax credit.
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  Speaker 2: There's a way where you can contribute a certain amount
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  Speaker 2: of money to these scholarship granting organizations tied to these
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  Speaker 2: private schools and those whose SGO dollars can be used
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  Speaker 2: to help families who have additional financial needs that make
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  Speaker 2: that education more available. So there's a couple of different
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  Speaker 2: pathways the state's created for those unique cases out there
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  Speaker 2: right where the cost of that education would still be
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  Speaker 2: a little hard to reach, there are resources like the
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  Speaker 2: sgo's available to make it even more simple to accomplish.
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  Speaker 1: Well, So I could make a tax deductible contribution to
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  Speaker 1: one of these organizations that helping helping folks get into
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Classical Academy, for example.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, they've got an SGO set up, and it's
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  Speaker 2: actually it's a credit. It's a credit back to you.
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  Speaker 2: So it doesn't lower your tax burden. It's dollar for
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  Speaker 2: dollar money that comes back so long as you have
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  Speaker 2: a tax liability. And I'm not a tax professional. I
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  Speaker 2: just fight to eliminate taxes in the state, Brian, But
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  Speaker 2: thank you, But yeah, it helps significantly in terms of
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  Speaker 2: making education choice available for more and more family to
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  Speaker 2: this in Ohio, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Donald, And now pivoting over to what people actually think.
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  Speaker 1: I know what our politicians tell us, I know what
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  Speaker 1: the unions tell us, and I know that. My logic
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  Speaker 1: and reasoning brain says, wait a second, isn't the concept
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  Speaker 1: of this choice just universally shared regardless of political stripe,
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  Speaker 1: as long as you aren't you know, in biblically cord
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  Speaker 1: hooked up to the teachers' union. You are offered a choice.
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  Speaker 1: You want to send your kid to a left wing
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  Speaker 1: you know, woke DEEI school, go ahead and send them there.
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  Speaker 1: That seems to me to be a concept that should
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  Speaker 1: be universally embraced. So what is a national data show
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  Speaker 1: compared to what we're being told about school choice?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we find actually there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of folks who are you know, it's not just a
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  Speaker 2: phenomenon that's unique to conservative I think what we find right,
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  Speaker 2: especially coming out of the years of COVID, more and
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  Speaker 2: more families are taking their child's education into their own hands.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, we saw what our kids were
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  Speaker 2: learning when they were when they were doing school from
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  Speaker 2: home remote. We saw where where the shortcomings were at
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  Speaker 2: our children's education when you know, when when when they
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  Speaker 2: when they had to go remote aline the folk. The
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  Speaker 2: fact of the matter is so many more families want
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  Speaker 2: to be able to have those choices. And what we find,
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  Speaker 2: and this is the same for the school that my
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  Speaker 2: kids go to here in Mansfield, Ohio, it's actually a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the kids who are being underserved by the
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  Speaker 2: public school district. They are going to Saint Peter's because
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  Speaker 2: they get a more customized education experience that's meeting their
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  Speaker 2: needs and is delivering a better product, happier families, happier students. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds like a win win all around to me.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what that's what we're finding. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: unique to just conservative families or suburban or rural families.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's these urban cores that we find have
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  Speaker 2: the greatest demand for education opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's quite off in the urban cores where they
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  Speaker 1: feel trapped and and and and and are are actually
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  Speaker 1: trapped and lacking an option under state laws. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh sure. So basically, you're confirming what I believe in
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  Speaker 1: my heart of hearts to the vast majority of people
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  Speaker 1: embrace the concept of choice for their children. Yay, shocking
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  Speaker 1: statistic that we need to get that out there in
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  Speaker 1: the world more. Donald and Neil now to the arguments
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  Speaker 1: that this hurts the public school system. Now you explain,
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  Speaker 1: and I know this universal educational choice. A new look
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  Speaker 1: at Funding education report that you release, which I'll encourage
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  Speaker 1: my listeners to check out, defeats that notion. On some level,
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  Speaker 1: how does this not hurt the public schools as they
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  Speaker 1: currently exist.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of different ways it doesn't. I
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  Speaker 2: mean on one level, here in the state of Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: we fund education through a combination of state, local, and
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  Speaker 2: federal tax dollars. The federal is a very small amount
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  Speaker 2: the state and local is depending on the district equal
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  Speaker 2: in some regards. This money doesn't get taken from the
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  Speaker 2: local school district, right the property taxes that we're paying
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  Speaker 2: into our school district, That money stays there and doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get ti tched regardless of how many students they are educating.
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  Speaker 2: Now when they leave, when a student leaves the public
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  Speaker 2: school district and goes to a choice program with these
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  Speaker 2: ed choice dollars, some of that state funding does follow
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  Speaker 2: that student, right, but again they are they still retain
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  Speaker 2: brian right that local funding that they already have and
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  Speaker 2: they don't have to educate that student anymore. So it
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  Speaker 2: actually allows those local dollars to go further for the
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  Speaker 2: students who are staying in that public school than otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: So which leads me to a discussion about property tax
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  Speaker 1: which we're not going to dive into full on here
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  Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil, but it's the local property taxes, which
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  Speaker 1: is where the local school money comes. So that situation
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  Speaker 1: is not going to change in spite of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it's been deemed unconstitutional for the last two decades
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio, right right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. The The the other thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Columbus, folks have said, you know, you're cutting our
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  Speaker 2: you're cutting education funding. The reality there is, Brian, We're
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  Speaker 2: up to eleven billion dollars in K through twelve funding.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be at twelve billion by the end of this
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  Speaker 2: by an em that's up from nine billion last by anym.
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  Speaker 2: The fact the better is we're spending more money in education,
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  Speaker 2: in K through twelve education, and so again this isn't
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  Speaker 2: a zero sum game. We can spend dollars funding programs
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  Speaker 2: like the ED Choice Voucher to give families choice an opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll continue to fund public education, traditional public school
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  Speaker 2: education for the families who want to avail themselves of
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  Speaker 2: those programs. Unfortunately, for our friends and the teachers' unions.
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  Speaker 2: It's not enough for them until they get all of it.
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  Speaker 2: They want it all and they want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to control our children's education. And it's just wrong. We
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  Speaker 2: spend one billion dollars on the on the ed choice
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  Speaker 2: voucher Burgram in the state out at eleven billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: ten billion. The rest of the ten billion goes to
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  Speaker 2: the public education system. There's plenty of resources to go around,
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  Speaker 2: and we should be focusing on choice and opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Choice and opportunit unity, and that'll that'll force them to
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  Speaker 1: actually get into the competition game, Donovan, because there's the
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  Speaker 1: numbers of public school enrollees goes down, the number of
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  Speaker 1: teachers needed to teach them is necessarily going to go down,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of what dollars roll into their coffers. Right, well, sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you know the competition, the competition piece is
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  Speaker 2: important for too long, right public schools. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: were trapped in the zip code that you lived in,
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