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The truth behind the Balogun deal, Maitland-Niles screamer and PL Round Up | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:00
  I'm eating at the minute is that a do you think that's bad no go go for it gentlemen can you hear me my mouth like chewing of course we can yeah of course we can damn it's alright we'll get started did you think for some reason you'd have a soundproof mouth unbelievable he definitely hasn't got one of them Tony what are you having for your brachy porridge with fruits and stuff ok healthy
• 0:29
  Yeah, trying my best at the minute.
• 0:31
  You like raisins, strawberries, blueberries.
• 0:34
  Fantastic.
• 0:35
  Proud of you.
• 0:36
  Thank you.
• 0:37
  You're looking good, sweet cheeks.
• 0:40
  Is that enough light that you want me to bang my lights on?
• 0:43
  I'd throw another light on if you've got it.
• 0:48
  Yeah, there we go.
• 0:51
  While we're on the topic of brekkie, Tony, I saw a clip of you this week ordering a coffee.
• 0:56
  What on earth is that?
• 0:57
  A caramel oat milk mochettino did you get?
• 1:00
  An oat milk caramel macchiato.
• 1:03
  That's shocking, that.
• 1:05
  Your coffee order sounds like a Chelsea player.
• 1:07
  Do you understand what it is?
• 1:10
  So it's oat milk with basically three shots of coffee and some caramel sauce in it.
• 1:14
  Okay, the three shots of coffee, that's like, okay, I get that bit.
• 1:17
  But caramel?
• 1:19
  Did you say three shots of coffee in that clip, Dalton?
• 1:21
  Yeah.
• 1:22
  That's what it is.
• 1:23
  I haven't seen the clip.
• 1:24
  I don't really watch myself, but it's embarrassing watching myself back, so I've got no intention of watching that.
• 1:29
  It is funny, to be fair, but I do agree with Charlie.
• 1:32
  That's woke nonsense, not having caramel in your coffee.
• 1:34
  Liam, do me a favour and fuck right off.
• 1:36
  If you agree with Charlie Parsons, you can fuck right off.
• 1:40
  the host union go stick together no fucking Jesus Christ you kids I was surprised you had coffee to be honest you don't like stuff that doesn't taste nice do you no I don't but it's just something that needs to be done because I'm tired all the time I've got too many kids that's what happens mate they just take the fucking soul out of you
• 2:02
  Is that why you were bad at golf the last two?
• 2:05
  We played twice this week, haven't we?
• 2:08
  Yeah, and you've been beat well and truly.
• 2:11
  So yeah, I'm going to claim that victory again.
• 2:14
  I got beat yesterday.
• 2:15
  Yeah, you did.
• 2:16
  I paid for your breakfast yesterday.
• 2:18
  Yeah, you did.
• 2:19
  I blame my son for that though.
• 2:21
  Don't you dare.
• 2:22
  He's a newbie.
• 2:24
  Don't you bloody dare.
• 2:25
  That young man tried his best.
• 2:27
  I played well in pairs.
• 2:28
  It wasn't me.
• 2:29
  It was him.
• 2:30
  Oh, my word.
• 2:31
  He's thrown for a hundred bucks.
• 2:33
  We've had a serious chat when we got home.
• 2:35
  Have you ever expected?
• 2:36
  Was it like teams, was it?
• 2:38
  It was me and my eldest Cole against Tony and a man named Dave.
• 2:42
  Okay, fair.
• 2:44
  And Tony got giddy on the first tee, said, come on, we'll play for breakfast.
• 2:48
  I knew he must have...
• 2:50
  He also turned around to his playing partner.
• 2:53
  So me, Tony and Cole have got official handicaps.
• 2:56
  Turned around to Dave and said, what are you playing off, Dave?
• 2:58
  He said, just give me whatever Cole's off.
• 3:01
  He parred the first five holes.
• 3:05
  and ended up with 21 points on the front nine and I'm thinking just give him hey he ended up with 36 points or something and then went out there you go I hit my handicap anyone who plays golf will tell you that's not supposed to happen you're not supposed to rock up and get your handicap every time Liam what did I hit what did I hit since the second time I played in six weeks
• 3:24
  34?
• 3:24
  Yes.
• 3:25
  34 points?
• 3:26
  So is that basically your handicap as well?
• 3:28
  And you've missed that extra shot on the hole?
• 3:29
  No, that's good, that, because you never quite got there.
• 3:32
  35 points I got, not 34, because you've missed the hole.
• 3:35
  You never quite got there, so that's all right.
• 3:37
  Plus, you play off like 28, don't you?
• 3:39
  So that just means you went around to 100.
• 3:40
  You both know, Leon.
• 3:41
  Don't throw stones, mate, because some of them land and hurt.
• 3:48
  I play off 17.
• 3:49
  LAUGHTER
• 3:52
  Your son has been playing for 18 months, plays off 16.
• 3:54
  Absolutely fantastic.
• 3:55
  But it doesn't matter because, you know, listen, after going into the third hole, I was one under.
• 4:00
  So, you know.
• 4:01
  Yeah, he parted the first, Birdie the second.
• 4:03
  And by the way, he missed Birdie put on the first as well.
• 4:08
  But I've seen you fall, I've seen you in that position, I've seen you fall apart before on the golf course, as soon as they get in your head.
• 4:13
  Thanks for that.
• 4:14
  As soon as he starts talking.
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  It's part of the capter role.
• 4:17
  So, you know, on the third hole, I think I hit a six, which was fantastic, you know what I mean, because he starts talking then.
• 4:22
  He didn't like the fact that I was one under after two and then thought, yeah, we're going to have to start now.
• 4:27
  If you're going to bring up the third hole, the course helped you out as you topped your three wood and it hit a piece of wood and bobbled all the way down the path.
• 4:35
  and somehow ended up 60, 70 yards in front on the fairway.
• 4:39
  Can we leave it alone now?
• 4:40
  This is our golf channel, not our golf channel.
• 4:43
  So anyway, Liam, we played in a golf charity event, didn't we?
• 4:50
  Yeah.
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  In honour of Southport last week.
• 4:51
  Yeah, that was my first time in six weeks.
• 4:53
  I was absolutely woeful.
• 4:55
  Yeah, he was, yeah.
• 4:56
  So how's he won that one?
• 4:58
  We were on the same team.
• 4:59
  We were on the same team.
• 5:00
  We were trying to help each other for once.
• 5:02
  Buddies that day.
• 5:03
  I worked out.
• 5:04
  I've now figured, I think I've figured golf out now.
• 5:07
  Just leave the driver at home, simple as that, and have one.
• 5:09
  If I leave the driver at home, I've won.
• 5:11
  Yeah, he knows that now.
• 5:14
  You can call me a girl all you want because you don't need to drive her.
• 5:17
  Get her three-wood out, and I'm hitting three-woods further than they're hitting drivers.
• 5:20
  Yeah, I can see that.
• 5:21
  I don't know about that.
• 5:22
  Well, it happened twice.
• 5:24
  It happened twice.
• 5:25
  You're more accurate, yeah.
• 5:26
  It happened twice, Liam.
• 5:28
  I drove by three-woods.
• 5:30
  So me and Tony have had a busy week.
• 5:31
  I've seen you've been on the radio, haven't you?
• 5:33
  I mean, this last week or the week before.
• 5:35
  I did, yeah.
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  I jumped in with Julia Bull.
• 5:38
  Yeah, so that was on deadline day.
• 5:41
  But that was like a few hours before all the chaos.
• 5:43
  Yeah, Liam's doing the amazing side radio on that zone.
• 5:46
  Well done, mate.
• 5:48
  Yeah, yeah.
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  Big noise.
• 5:49
  I hope you were pushing OTB on there, mate.
• 5:53
  We were, we were.
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  That's when it came up.
• 5:54
  Liam Kisseltzen, outside the box.
• 5:56
  Fantastic.
• 5:58
  Yeah, but no, Julia was great as well.
• 5:59
  She invited us on just to chat a little bit about Everton's deadline day.
• 6:03
  And at that point, it actually looked quite solid.
• 6:05
  To be fair, it looked like we were going to get Balogun.
• 6:09
  Betts have hadn't gone yet and all sorts of different things.
• 6:11
  Jack was coming back in and then, yeah, I'm glad I went on at like 10 to 11 on that point.
• 6:17
  But yeah, Ozzy, you were in the boardroom, weren't you, for the weekend?
• 6:20
  How was that?
• 6:22
  pretty good actually the boardroom I mean the stadiums what are you laughing for?
• 6:27
  I'm not just laughing the stadiums amazing so the boardroom is is special and we were in there with with Hibbo they invited us both as guests and they put this big sort of
• 6:44
  Not presentation, but they put this big montage of our footage at the club up on the TV for the first hour of it, which was kind of embarrassing.
• 6:54
  But yeah, it was good.
• 6:55
  They presented us with a gift as well.
• 6:58
  The game went brilliant.
• 6:59
  What did you get?
• 7:00
  What was the gift?
• 7:00
  I want to know.
• 7:02
  An action picture of myself with you.
• 7:06
  Which, the funny thing was, though, I got an action.
• 7:08
  The picture they presented me in the lovely effort box was a really nice touch.
• 7:14
  It was me running away, celebrating after I'd scored.
• 7:17
  I think I was trying to work it out against Lille in the UEFA Cup when I run to the corner flag the night I did the karaoke on the corner flag.
• 7:26
  the picture they gave of Hibbo was you know at the start of the season when you pose for pictures and like we're at Goodison at the stadium and he's there with his foot on the ball doing a doing a pose like this where's that come from surely it should have been his free kick well it should have been an action picture of something but bloody hell I laughed at that that was a good it was a good day um
• 7:52
  I had a chat with Rishi after the game.
• 7:57
  I felt like it was a little bit of a, not kind of a telling off.
• 8:01
  Listen to you, son.
• 8:04
  As much as I wanted to have a chat to assure me that the ownership of doing everything they can.
• 8:13
  But actually to state, yeah, he was disappointed that I was a little bit negative last week, which
• 8:18
  I was.
• 8:19
  I was venting.
• 8:20
  As we all know, we were all a little bit pingy, uptight.
• 8:25
  Yeah, so I basically just accepted I was very passionate, but also that at times I'm going to do that.
• 8:32
  At times I'm going to be passionate.
• 8:35
  And as much as you listen to me and Tony quite regular, we do have the clubs back 99% of the time.
• 8:43
  We look for reasons why the club make decisions and the ownership make decisions.
• 8:48
  And occasionally we, uh, uh, our emotions take over, don't they?
• 8:52
  Yes, they do.
• 8:53
  Yeah.
• 8:54
  So that was just a, it was just a nice chat.
• 8:55
  I was really pleased he, he, he come and had the chat and, and, and assured us that, um,
• 9:01
  They are doing everything that they can to take the club back to where they want it to be.
• 9:05
  So that was nice, actually.
• 9:07
  It made me realise that they didn't avoid it.
• 9:10
  They didn't walk away.
• 9:11
  Literally got right in my face about it and said, look, despite what you're saying, this is what we're trying to do.
• 9:17
  So, yeah, I actually liked that.
• 9:19
  I had a lot of respect for that.
• 9:21
  But, yeah, it was a great day.
• 9:22
  The result was amazing.
• 9:23
  Well, the result was great.
• 9:25
  2-2 win, mate.
• 9:26
  Just like the Derby again, 2-2 win.
• 9:28
  Another 2-2 win.
• 9:29
  There's nothing better than a 2-2 win.
• 9:32
  last minute goal again but it's good that's not word then it's good that he spoke to you that's very good and I'd love him to come on because he's a really nice fella I did I asked him to come on the pod because he was saying about you know the way you speak and you know you have your opinions and this and I was obviously saying I've got this opinion that opinion and we're talking and I told him come on have you got your opinion come on the podcast he was like
• 9:58
  If it was just you, I would.
• 10:00
  But I'm not going on there if Tony's on there.
• 10:01
  Jesus Christ.
• 10:04
  Do you know what?
• 10:05
  He was doing it laughing.
• 10:06
  He was doing it laughing.
• 10:08
  Do you know what?
• 10:10
  He's a lovely fella.
• 10:11
  And I have no doubt in my mind they're doing the best that they can.
• 10:14
  But I wish someone had just explained it to fans in layman's terms.
• 10:17
  Because I'm sure it's very difficult to explain what's going on behind the scenes at the club.
• 10:22
  And what they've actually got themselves into.
• 10:24
  I'm sure it is very difficult.
• 10:25
  Financially, there's probably repercussions that they've had to take on board.
• 10:30
  As I think about this PSR nonsense, I'm sure, I mean, I'm almost 99% sure we are in some trouble with PSR because that's why we've had to sell certain players.
• 10:41
  You know, I don't think it was any, it's not a coincidence that you sell an Anderson Armstrong for 40 quid and then you've agreed to sell Illuminati for 65.
• 10:48
  Because it kind of makes up to the same amount of money that was needed.
• 10:52
  Because what we bought them in the end of the day for and what we're selling them for, it kind of works back and tracks back to around the £40 million mark.
• 10:58
  So it's quite obvious from the outside looking in that we need £40 million to bounce the books.
• 11:03
  And I would just wish, you know, if a nimwit like me
• 11:07
  can work that out from the outside looking in then I'm sure you know there's some seriously clever Evertonians out there I know we don't like to claim that we are but there is really some and us three aren't on them us three aren't one of them boys just before you put your hand up and you think you're in class we're not one of them by the way I thought you were about to say us three aren't five of them doing your match the way you do it
• 11:30
  But it's just, I wish they'd just come out and talk to us or just send someone out because it's just frustrating.
• 11:39
  And once you had someone come out, you just go, listen, this is what we've got to say.
• 11:43
  There's the statement and that's it.
• 11:45
  We're not going to elaborate on it.
• 11:47
  We're not going to go on about it.
• 11:48
  We're not here to be questioned, sat down.
• 11:50
  We're doing our best for the club.
• 11:51
  And I think, listen, they obviously are doing the best for the club because it's in their interests to do the best thing for the club.
• 11:57
  Otherwise, their thing's not going to grow.
• 12:01
  They haven't come here to lose.
• 12:03
  They haven't come here to lose money, and they haven't come here to lower us in position because that's ultimately going to lose the money.
• 12:08
  They've come here to grow Everton Football Club.
• 12:10
  They've come here to make it a better, you know, enterprise, whatever you want to call it.
• 12:14
  They've come here to make us better.
• 12:16
  And they're very successful business people.
• 12:18
  You know, the Freakton Group owns serious amounts of...
• 12:23
  of major companies in America.
• 12:25
  I mean, I believe they own Toyota.
• 12:28
  If I'm right, I believe Toyota's the biggest retailer in the whole of America in cars.
• 12:32
  That's nuts.
• 12:33
  That's just insane.
• 12:34
  They own Roma Football Club.
• 12:36
  So it's not like it's the first rodeo.
• 12:39
  We just, what I will say is, it's the first time they're ever gonna deal with fans like this.
• 12:44
  That's what I will say.
• 12:46
  Because Everton fans are different to everyone else.
• 12:48
  You know, dealing with scousers is different to dealing with everyone else.
• 12:52
  you know, you've got fellas who scream, shout and vent.
• 12:54
  But ultimately, they do it from a place of passion and love.
• 12:57
  They don't do it from a point of, hey, we want you out.
• 13:00
  We do it from a place of, please just tell us.
• 13:03
  And anything you tell us, we can get through because we're all strong enough.
• 13:07
  So hopefully that's the way forward.
• 13:08
  What I did hear from, not from Richie, but from an unnamed source, shall we say, at the game at the weekend was that,
• 13:20
  I mean, I'll give you probably a bit more detail of what I've heard about the Balogun transfer, but he did fail his medical, according to us, and we tried to negotiate different things and all of that.
• 13:34
  But then the ownership said,
• 13:37
  I don't care.
• 13:38
  I don't care.
• 13:38
  Let's push this through anyway.
• 13:40
  We're prepared to pay for him and gamble because they knew the importance of just basically getting a player in.
• 13:46
  And they, so the reason that the deal got reignited was not because he suddenly passed his medical test.
• 13:53
  It was because the owners said, we need someone.
• 13:56
  Let's pay.
• 13:56
  Let's just pay and get him in.
• 13:58
  Which I actually think is...
• 14:00
  Brave.
• 14:01
  Brave, yeah, because that's obviously a gamble because...
• 14:04
  I was going to say, a risk as well.
• 14:07
  It's a risk, yeah.
• 14:08
  And yet, I think they knew...
• 14:10
  I think that's probably why they were frustrated with me and us in terms of they probably tried to gamble one in there and it may turn out to be a good bet not taken, so to speak, because the whole thing sounded...
• 14:26
  a bit shady in terms of he turned up, he was supposed to get an eight o'clock flight in the morning and his representatives phoned and said, we're not getting that one, we're going to get an 11, half 11 flight.
• 14:36
  So we're going to get there middle of the afternoon, which now means that, you know, four or five hours of you taking it easy and going through the medical tests are gone for the sake of no one was explaining.
• 14:47
  And then they got there and found that
• 14:50
  He'd been, since the World Cup, he'd not trained.
• 14:54
  He'd had three weeks off after the World Cup.
• 14:57
  And then in the five weeks prior to that, he'd done a couple of jogs on his own.
• 15:02
  and Everton were asking for the data and all of that, and they basically couldn't show it.
• 15:10
  And when they did present it, it was, you know, I think I've walked harder and further in the last couple of weeks.
• 15:17
  Then his data was going to show.
• 15:19
  A couple of jokes on his own.
• 15:20
  It's like Sunday leave.
• 15:22
  Yeah, that his data was going to show.
• 15:25
  So, yeah, and yet they...
• 15:30
  He then seems, they did, so they wanted to do further exploration, exploratory tests.
• 15:37
  They did.
• 15:39
  Turns out this issue with the knee came up.
• 15:41
  They started to go, oh no, you know, this is too much and he's not trained and he's got the knee and we might have to look elsewhere.
• 15:50
  And then they spoke to the club.
• 15:53
  So at this point they think we can't get this over the line.
• 15:56
  He's not done.
• 15:57
  So that's when they went and spoke to other, tried to speak to other people.
• 16:00
  He went for a walk.
• 16:03
  So basically when the club then came back and said, let's get this over the line, he went for a walk around the training ground, pitch black, 20 past 11 at night, and the club couldn't find him.
• 16:13
  And they phoned him and said, come back, we need to chat with you.
• 16:16
  And he was like, not too sure.
• 16:18
  And then they eventually got him back, convinced him, or they thought convinced him to get this done.
• 16:25
  And then he turned around and said, you just haven't been nice enough to me, which the club...
• 16:29
  the medical department and the people within the club, apparently, weren't disappointed with that, considering what his scans and that were showing, which has kind of showed that he's gone back to Monaco in the situation he's found himself in, not training and all that, or having a situation.
• 16:49
  But as I said, at that point, they've got reignited because the ownership said, let's try and pay.
• 16:54
  Let's try and get this over the line.
• 16:55
  We need a striker.
• 16:55
  So it really...
• 16:59
  it really looks bad on the player for me.
• 17:02
  It really does.
• 17:03
  And I said this last week, I said if that was the situation, I know people are coming out saying the club should have known and the club should have gone bad and maybe the club should have tried to do it two days earlier, but that's just not the way it goes in...
• 17:14
  in transfer.
• 17:15
  Everything just gets squeezed into the last day.
• 17:17
  And then he delayed his flight by a good few hours to make it more difficult.
• 17:21
  Then he came with an issue.
• 17:23
  I mean, it makes, it all stinks of, he knew all of his issues and he's tried to squeeze the club into a certain moment.
• 17:29
  And then when the club has, when the club have become a little bit vocal and panicky on it, he's then said, well, you just don't love me enough, which, which,
• 17:37
  Seems very modern generation.
• 17:39
  He's obviously turned up here, not fit.
• 17:41
  He's obviously turned up not fit and he's thought, right, I'm going to try and blag this.
• 17:44
  Yeah, 100%.
• 17:45
  I think he shit himself.
• 17:47
  He started to blag it and go, listen, I'm not fit, but I will be fit in a couple of weeks, let's say.
• 17:52
  And we need someone to hit the ground running, which is,
• 17:56
  Which is worrying to be honest but listen back what we've got and you know we've just got to keep going mate.
• 18:03
  Tien O'Barry's been trying his bollocks off and working and working and working
• 18:08
  He scored four goals in four games.
• 18:10
  I know we were all harping on, but that's just the way it is.
• 18:13
  He scored four goals in four games.
• 18:15
  I know three of them were against the championship team, but I don't care, the four goals.
• 18:19
  So we've just got to get him back on the score sheets, back him, and hope for the best.
• 18:24
  Like I said, that result on Sunday epitomises Everton Football Club.
• 18:31
  We are in it till the end.
• 18:32
  The right man is in charge.
• 18:34
  You know what I mean?
• 18:35
  They were fighting till the very end.
• 18:37
  Backs against the wall.
• 18:39
  Just keep going.
• 18:39
  I mean, Jack Grealish, when he come on, assists huge.
• 18:44
  Jack, Jackie boy being back is massive.
• 18:46
  It really is.
• 18:47
  Like, I can't explain how important he is to the football club.
• 18:52
  I just really hope we can keep him, mate.
• 18:53
  I really do.
• 18:54
  Because, well, it's going to be virtually impossible because everyone's going to want that lad.
• 18:58
  He is going to shine this season in Everton Football Club.
• 19:01
  And with Illy now gone,
• 19:03
  I mean, I did say to you, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you Tyreek George was going to have a big year, boys.
• 19:08
  You did.
• 19:09
  You did.
• 19:10
  You put him down for young player this season.
• 19:12
  I'm telling you, mate, it's going to happen.
• 19:14
  That boy has got a serious ability.
• 19:17
  And if he just keeps believing in himself and getting on that pitch to make a difference every time, he'll do it.
• 19:22
  Because he's a player who can make a difference in a game.
• 19:24
  He's a player who's brave enough to have a go at you.
• 19:28
  and he's not scared to lose it.
• 19:29
  And I think that's half the battle with these young players.
• 19:32
  They're scared to get the ball and express themselves and go at them because they're just told, pass, move, pass, move, let's create a 2v1 situation.
• 19:38
  No.
• 19:39
  You know what, kid?
• 19:39
  Be brave.
• 19:41
  Go on a 1v1.
• 19:42
  Go and do.
• 19:42
  You've got the ability, go and do.
• 19:44
  You know, and I just think it's really, really promising the future for our football club.
• 19:50
  It's just that there's smaller details now that we've got to iron through.
• 19:55
  Yeah, I'm pressed with him.
• 19:57
  I think I mentioned him or Diblin Attab, a breakout season.
• 20:02
  You feel he's more...
• 20:05
  He gives us more balance in terms of...
• 20:08
  When I was asked for Brennan Johnson, who had a pretty poor game at the weekend, probably one of the only ones.
• 20:14
  Just someone who gets the ball, runs him behind.
• 20:17
  I'd still like to take Terry George and sort of take him for individual training and sort of help him improve his game.
• 20:26
  And help him become better in terms of what I... Because he...
• 20:30
  I mean, I'm expecting someone playing left wing, maybe someone with his ability to get 12 to 15 goals this season.
• 20:37
  Really?
• 20:37
  A left winger?
• 20:38
  Yeah.
• 20:38
  Yeah.
• 20:39
  Well, you look at what Salah's doing on the right and you look at what Gagpo's doing on the left.
• 20:42
  And what I'm saying is, your wide men, because of the way we play the game these days with...
• 20:48
  Your wide men have got to give you...
• 20:50
  at least one of your wide men has got to give you between 10 and 15 goals and your striker's got to give you that as well.
• 20:55
  Do you know what you're talking about when you take the player to the side and you coach him on his own?
• 21:00
  How does that work?
• 21:00
  So did you have that?
• 21:01
  How does that actually work?
• 21:03
  You can do.
• 21:04
  You can do.
• 21:05
  But I think a player should maybe ask for help in getting better all the time, but a coach should identify...
• 21:15
  quality within players and also know how to make individuals better.
• 21:19
  David Moyes probably wouldn't do it himself because he's looking at big picture and he's doing the squad, but some of the coaches in there could be able to look at a player like Tariq George and think, wow, there's opportunity to help you improve, especially this next 18 months when you're still young and you're impressionable, help him improve.
• 21:37
  Because...
• 21:39
  as good as he is, I'd ask him for these 10 or 15 goals, how are you going to get them all?
• 21:44
  Because we all imagine him cutting in off the left or cutting in off the right, bending them in the top corner, but you only score five or six, maybe seven at the most of those a season.
• 21:55
  So are you going to get your other ones?
• 21:56
  Well, first of all, you either need to fly in at the back post for tap-ins or the main thing I'd start teaching him now is whenever anyone's getting the ball,
• 22:06
  and running towards him with Dries Behold, he always wants the ball out on the touchline to his feet.
• 22:11
  And then he wants to come in.
• 22:12
  And I'd say, go and run inside the full-back.
• 22:15
  Allow Dries Behold to play you that pass inside the full-back, Thierry Henry kind of position.
• 22:20
  Once you get played in there, you finish in far post.
• 22:23
  And I don't think I've ever seen him do that at all in an Everton shirt.
• 22:27
  And he's got the pace to do it.
• 22:29
  That's not to say what he's been doing up to now is wrong, just to give him another string to his bow.
• 22:34
  Yeah, add something to his game.
• 22:36
  Because if he adds that, I'm thinking, wow.
• 22:39
  But the way you can go is really, the ceiling is high if you can add that to your game.
• 22:45
  Massively.
• 22:46
  The players study other players as us.
• 22:48
  I mean, when you were young, it was you watching football and studying them.
• 22:52
  I try and get our baby to study the goalkeepers as much as they possibly can.
• 22:55
  When they're playing, study the habits, study what they're doing.
• 22:58
  But did you like, so you've commented on Salah there, you know, watch Salah, how he comes in, he flits inside and stuff like this.
• 23:05
  Would you encourage players to be studying players from the past?
• 23:11
  Yes, to a limit, to a certain degree, because the game is changing.
• 23:17
  So you can study people's skills and ability and you can watch, say, go back and watch videos of Pele, Maradona and the best and that.
• 23:26
  The game was different then.
• 23:27
  They didn't make the same runs.
• 23:28
  They could come on the ball a little bit more, as good as they were, and they're great to watch.
• 23:32
  The game's sort of evolving.
• 23:34
  So I would always look at the people who are the best in my position in the league
• 23:39
  What is it that they do?
• 23:41
  What is it that makes them the best?
• 23:43
  Why are they the best?
• 23:44
  Is it because they're physically...
• 23:46
  crazy and probably can't match that but I can get in the gym a little bit stronger or is it because of the runs they make is it because of the finishing they do try and figure out exactly what the best players in you and that if you're a left winger you can include right wingers on that but what is it that they do that sets them apart for the rest and then I'm wondering how far off that I am whether I've got the ability to or whether I've got the attributes to get any of those abilities in my own game and go from there
• 24:14
  Because I would be, if I was a coach or whatever in football, I'd be encouraging someone to look at the likes of your Ronaldinho, your Arjen Robben.
• 24:22
  They're two totally different style of players, but if you can incorporate a little bit from each of their games, you've got the pace of an Arjen Robben, you can get in behind, and then you've also got the fast feet of a Ronaldinho.
• 24:33
  So, you know, I'm not saying... Ronaldinho...
• 24:35
  I know he's a freak.
• 24:36
  Of course he's a freak, but the runs he'd make to get the ball in those positions and the situations he'd get in
• 24:43
  players can still do that.
• 24:45
  Don't get me wrong, the way he dribbled himself out of them was something that very few could do, but he'd actually get, how was he finding himself in them positions to do what he'd done?
• 24:53
  And every player can do that, I feel like.
• 24:55
  So I'm only saying this because when you say that coaching people individually, I've never looked at that in football, I've never thought about that.
• 25:02
  In my game, it's different.
• 25:04
  You've got a one-to-one coach every single day.
• 25:06
  That's just the way it goes and you are drilled for every single mistake and every single kind of thing that can happen.
• 25:11
  But in football, I just never thought that someone will take you to the side.
• 25:15
  And it could be the assistant, couldn't it?
• 25:16
  It could be, you know, he's got three assistants.
• 25:19
  It could be Baz.
• 25:20
  Bainsey could be doing it with him, spending some time with him and saying, listen, because Bainsey's and Pienaar's relationship was unbelievable.
• 25:29
  And if he could sit down with one of them and say to them, listen, this is what we would do, how we would play.
• 25:33
  Because it's current now what they were doing.
• 25:36
  Stephen being on Leighton Baines, if they were on our left side right now, they would be terrorising the Premier League as they was doing then because it hasn't changed that much.
• 25:44
  Them two together was just like a telepathic bloody thing that they would have between the two of them.
• 25:50
  But that doesn't happen without the likes of you next to them because you're able to step in if two of them go or one of them.
• 25:56
  So it's between them.
• 25:58
  How can that be passed on as a coach to the younger generation now?
• 26:04
  you just have to get out there on the trainer pitch, so to speak.
• 26:08
  I mean, as you were talking, I was thinking, how would you do?
• 26:12
  I personally would probably, and this is not easy with egos in the modern day sort of world, but any player that's in the squad and under 23, would I go maybe?
• 26:26
  to about 23, I would give them an extra session a week.
• 26:31
  And I know managers, especially in small squads, do not want to risk an injury in these sessions when they're not, when they're not sort of part of the big picture and they're not necessary and they're not what they need to get up to a certain amount of running stats in each week and be good.
• 26:48
  But I would, I would probably take the under 23s out.
• 26:52
  Let's just say you play Saturday, Saturday.
• 26:55
  I'd probably take them out on a Tuesday afternoon for an extra hour's work.
• 27:01
  And I'm talking like medium intensity.
• 27:04
  I'm not talking anything where I'm expecting a hamstring to go or anything like that.
• 27:08
  But just to go through technical work and technique and to be on the pitch and show them what might make you better.
• 27:15
  And like if I was to do what we just talked about, Terry George, about these inside runs...
• 27:20
  I would set the situation up without making him sprint after the pass.
• 27:24
  I'd just say, when you feel like this is the position you are on a pitch, now we need to start getting in there.
• 27:29
  Now we need to start and just having a pitch awareness of what you do.
• 27:34
  But nowadays, when you've got a kid that, say, gets into the first team at 17,
• 27:39
  They're there because they're outstanding.
• 27:41
  But I still think 17 to 20 definitely is probably the biggest sort of learning curve you have.
• 27:48
  The opportunity to get even better.
• 27:51
  But if you get in the first team at 17, you now don't have to do all the extra work that a normal 17 to 19-year-old will be doing in the afternoons in the youth team.
• 28:00
  Because you're in the first team already, you're the best.
• 28:02
  You're just preparing to help the team win on a Saturday.
• 28:05
  And this is across the board, by the way.
• 28:06
  I'm not talking about Everton in particular.
• 28:09
  That you're just sort of in the first team.
• 28:11
  And all the opportunity to make yourself better.
• 28:14
  All those hours that...
• 28:15
  You know, you took an hour... You used to say 10,000 hours make you great.
• 28:19
  But all those hours that you have to make yourself even better...
• 28:22
  Builds up.
• 28:23
  Yeah, builds up.
• 28:25
  You're missing out on them because you're in the first team so early because you're already so good.
• 28:29
  But if you're already so good and you're nowhere near the peak of...
• 28:33
  Your time of learning.
• 28:35
  Imagine where you can get to if you keep learning and you keep applying yourself with that mind-open sort of opportunity of getting better.
• 28:44
  Whereas a lot of people get in the first team, let's just say 17 or 18, and that's where their ability just stays.
• 28:50
  They never seem to get any better because they haven't then, from 18, 19, 20, been pushing themselves to improve.
• 28:56
  So...
• 28:57
  It's a fine balance.
• 28:59
  It is coming out of your comfort zone.
• 29:00
  I can't believe, I cannot believe every football player is not two-footed.
• 29:05
  I genuinely can't believe that.
• 29:06
  I can't believe why an academy doesn't designate one day a week to working on your bad foot.
• 29:12
  there's no excuse I get it because I if I can use two feet and listen I can take a penalty a free kick a corner with either foot if I can bloody do it as a fat dope from Wavertree then footballers should be able to do it and I'm not blaming the footballers here I'm saying from the minute they come in
• 29:31
  One day a week is designated to the weak foot.
• 29:33
  Because if you can create a two-footer player, you've cracked it.
• 29:36
  So my dad always used to make me sort of, so when I was seven and eight and nine and I was younger, I was playing winger, I think, at that point, and I'd always want to shoot my right foot.
• 29:48
  My dad used to sort of shout at me, if it's on your left foot, hit it.
• 29:52
  No matter where it goes, hit it.
• 29:55
  So that was seven, and I did, and I wasn't great at first, but by 10, my left foot was better at shooting than my right, just because I'd had more opportunity and I'd been practising it more.
• 30:05
  So again, going back to learning to be two-footed, that happens as a kid.
• 30:09
  That has to be drilled in really, really early.
• 30:12
  Doing that at first-team level isn't very, really going to,
• 30:16
  sort of make the impression that it needs to.
• 30:18
  But you're talking about two-footed.
• 30:20
  Can every single boxer fight both ways?
• 30:24
  Southport, no.
• 30:24
  I could, but no.
• 30:25
  No, they can't.
• 30:26
  That's sort of like the same thing because that's literally just turning your body.
• 30:29
  So, it's...
• 30:31
  Yeah, but that's a power hand.
• 30:33
  One's a power hand and one's not.
• 30:34
  But don't get me wrong, you're right.
• 30:36
  Essentially, you are correct, yes, but I would say all the top boxers can do it.
• 30:40
  Not to the same level, but, you know, you look at the iconic Nassim Hamad, each swap and change, out of canter.
• 30:48
  It'd be easy work for them.
• 30:50
  But...
• 30:51
  Could I box softball?
• 30:52
  Yes, I had to box softball in various ABA championships and I broke my right hand.
• 30:56
  So I'd have to box them and look for the power shot with my left hand.
• 30:59
  I remember boxing a kid once out the way somewhere.
• 31:03
  I think it was
• 31:05
  It was down Norwich Way.
• 31:07
  And I'd fractured my right hand.
• 31:10
  And this was the semi-final.
• 31:11
  And I just felt it straight away as soon as it was with the right hand.
• 31:15
  I turned South Pole, walloped them with the left and stopped them, thankfully.
• 31:18
  And then I got an injection in my right hand for the final.
• 31:21
  And that was the year I knocked out John Lewis Dickinson in my second NBA championship to win my second NBA title and defend it back-to-back.
• 31:27
  But just to...
• 31:29
  talk about being too but like I just don't see why kids our baby quick one quick well done on that before you move on yeah quick well done on that yeah I should have got a violin I was well about fracturing me and it wasn't it ate an awful lot but with our baby I'm the same house did they definitely put the ejection in your hand no
• 31:47
  Just checking.
• 31:47
  You know what?
• 31:48
  It's a funny story, actually.
• 31:51
  I couldn't get a doctor up there.
• 31:52
  And it was at the time, it was a Voltron injection.
• 31:54
  And my dad stuck it in my arse.
• 31:57
  And he put it in the wrong parts.
• 31:59
  He hit the bottom of my back and created a big egg in my back.
• 32:04
  So it did not have it.
• 32:05
  Yeah, fantastic.
• 32:06
  Thanks for that, Dad.
• 32:07
  But, yeah.
• 32:09
  Yeah.
• 32:10
  That was another story.
• 32:12
  And then, but as for footballers being too, like I constantly push our baby to play with both feet and he's a bloody keeper.
• 32:19
  You know what I mean?
• 32:20
  Just a quick one.
• 32:20
  Isn't your baby like your third kid?
• 32:23
  Like you've got a, you've got a baby.
• 32:24
  Do you call the youngest one a baby baby?
• 32:27
  No, he's me world.
• 32:30
  He's the best thing ever.
• 32:31
  He's six and all he needs is dad.
• 32:33
  So he's the best thing in the whole world, Carson.
• 32:34
  But the other babies, yeah, I mean, I've got babies that are bigger than me.
• 32:38
  Listen, they're all still our babies.
• 32:41
  You know that.
• 32:42
  And yesterday, your baby was giving you a look and you were scared of him, your shitbag.
• 32:45
  So don't you say anything to me.
• 32:46
  No, I've got...
• 32:47
  I've got two fellas living in my house with me now.
• 32:50
  Two fellas that are bigger than me living in my house, eating all my food, not paying any rent.
• 32:56
  I'll be bigger than you, mate.
• 32:57
  You're tiny.
• 32:57
  Your wife's bigger than you was.
• 33:04
  Quick one though, just before we go on.
• 33:07
  I wanted to emphasize because I never mentioned it.
• 33:10
  That information I had on the transfer, the person who told me asked me to actually make it public in that way.
• 33:19
  Just so I don't- Just don't worry, I've not got your darms a snitch.
• 33:22
  Just so people are thinking I'm going in, getting information off someone, and listening to people's conversations, and just- There's one thing, my close friends could now be snitches, so stop explaining yourself.
• 33:34
  This person said, yes, I wouldn't mind not being made public, and I said, fine, I'll do that, Bia.
• 33:40
  I don't want to be, people think I'm going in a club and they're not talking to me anymore, because I might actually spread information.
• 33:46
  I'm not that guy.
• 33:48
  I just thought I best emphasised that part.
• 33:52
  I thought I best emphasised that part.
• 33:54
  He was on Twitter, the bobble, who no one knows who he is.
• 33:57
  No.
• 33:57
  He was.
• 33:58
  Yeah.
• 33:59
  Yeah, I had to spell bobble wrong, so I can't do that.
• 34:04
  Yeah, fair.
• 34:05
  Right, let's get back to the match.
• 34:06
  We haven't even spoke about meeting the Niles as an equaliser.
• 34:09
  What were your feelings when that went in?
• 34:12
  What a guy.
• 34:14
  What a guy.
• 34:16
  Yeah, I mean, I was...
• 34:18
  I've got to be honest, I was out in my seat with an unbelievable feeling when Tariq scored.
• 34:23
  I mean, the way you think the board is, we were literally right behind that shot.
• 34:26
  And as soon as it come off his foot, we're already up.
• 34:29
  And that was a great feeling because, you know, it's a late on goal, pushing at the home end in the stadium.
• 34:38
  And the noise from that was outstanding.
• 34:41
  But then we sat off, didn't we?
• 34:44
  I thought we were on the front foot.
• 34:47
  we'd scored that goal we'll take the momentum we'll push forward and for whatever reason we kicked off and never continued to go close them down and get in the face we kicked off and just suddenly went whether we needed a breather whether it was we've got something to protect or whether it was just a
• 35:03
  I don't know, just a lack of concentration from the players.
• 35:06
  Because it wouldn't have been the manager.
• 35:07
  The manager can't just suddenly click a finger and you just change your mentality in that moment.
• 35:11
  So whether we just sat off without meaning to, but we did, we gave them the opportunity to get a few passes together, get forward, and they scored.
• 35:19
  So you were like up and down, weren't you, in that sort of moment where...
• 35:23
  So that last-minute goal, just, when we thought it was gone, we thought the time, we were 96 plus about 20 or something like that, wasn't it?
• 35:32
  And I'm thinking the ref's just going to blow his whistle here.
• 35:34
  Now he's going to blow his whistle.
• 35:35
  Now he's going to blow his whistle.
• 35:36
  Get in there!
• 35:37
  Honestly, I actually think I got a little bit dizzy.
• 35:42
  Like when I jumped out my seat, I think I sort of celebrated that much.
• 35:45
  I got a little bit light-headed.
• 35:46
  It was that good.
• 35:49
  Yeah, Tony, what about you?
• 35:50
  Do you know what mate, our baby had Wolves away.
• 35:53
  Of course you did say that.
• 35:55
  I've got to go and watch them and so I let a couple of clients go in these seats, fantastic.
• 36:02
  And then we rushed back, we beat Wolves at Everton, under 14s are unbeaten this season, absolutely fantastic.
• 36:10
  The boys played nine games and conceded one goal.
• 36:12
  Unbelievable.
• 36:13
  We've won tournaments as well.
• 36:14
  The youth academy is doing absolutely fantastic.
• 36:17
  But that's another case.
• 36:19
  That's where I was.
• 36:20
  So I got home and I got home on, I think it was 70 minutes.
• 36:24
  I was obviously listening to the match all the way home in the car.
• 36:26
  Stuff like that, screaming and shouting and calling the referee every name under the sun in the car, even though he's not there.
• 36:33
  And then we get to him on 70 minutes.
• 36:37
  gutted, seeing the goal go in and then we concede that goal and it's like the Sesco goal, it's like, it's unfortunate because,
• 36:48
  It skims Tarki's head.
• 36:50
  It actually skims his head getting over him.
• 36:53
  So I don't know if that, as you'll know as a player, is that a brilliant cross or is that a defensive mistake?
• 36:59
  I don't know because if his head touches it, so for me, Tarki's in the right position, but I'm thinking, there we go, a boxer thinking out loud.
• 37:06
  It's dangerous stuff.
• 37:07
  I'm in a dangerous space again, but I'm thinking...
• 37:11
  They've got one up top at Sesco, should there always be one in front, one behind.
• 37:14
  And if that's the case, then you possibly get it.
• 37:16
  But the ball is so good, it's actually in between them.
• 37:20
  And he rises and Pickers gets his hand to it.
• 37:23
  It's a tough one.
• 37:24
  It's a little bit of both, really.
• 37:27
  One of the things that makes it difficult, and this might seem minute...
• 37:32
  is the way the attack went, Hackney, who I thought was very good, and we'll come to him in a second, had that tackle in the middle and the ball ricocheted in their favour, left 4v4, I think it was.
• 37:44
  And Jared had to come out and sort of push them away from goal.
• 37:49
  And in doing that, Jared and Tarks crossed over positions.
• 37:53
  So they were still in the decent enough positions.
• 37:56
  But if you're a centre-back that used to cross as coming over your shoulder off one leg, and you're able to get that extra two inches jumping back towards the right, because that's your natural way of doing it, and suddenly you're a bit twisted round and you're jumping a little bit.
• 38:13
  I think an inch difference can make there.
• 38:16
  Plus, you're positionally not in the exact right position because...
• 38:21
  used to doing it on the other side.
• 38:22
  And these might seem minute.
• 38:24
  And the distances I'm talking about are half a yard.
• 38:27
  But as you've just mentioned, if that cross is perfect as it was, then half a yard is crucial in them moments.
• 38:35
  And I don't think the fullback has enough time to come around properly.
• 38:40
  Tarky Kark quite get there.
• 38:41
  Was Jared too far?
• 38:43
  No, you know, it was just one of them things.
• 38:45
  Perfect cross.
• 38:47
  I think in a couple of months' time, I think Maitland-Niles...
• 38:50
  understands the winger he's working with and drops away a little bit sooner because when you go to a new club and you're being run at, sometimes you don't know, is this, I mean, he was in the door for 20 minutes, you know.
• 39:03
  So as the winger's coming to you, some clubs and some teams do, the full-back literally just stays with the winger
• 39:11
  And the wide man follows the fullback and follows his run all the way around.
• 39:16
  Other teams, and this is the way we used to do it and I used to do it, is as that happens, the wide man screams to the fullback, to our fullback, would be to Maitland-Niles, drop away with the runner.
• 39:28
  And I would now take the guy on the ball.
• 39:30
  And Maitland-Niles would take the runner.
• 39:32
  And again, just these minute details that...
• 39:35
  He's only been in the door two minutes.
• 39:37
  He's still doing that when he was getting screamed at to go sort of and be aware, drop away.
• 39:43
  And that second, two seconds is massive because you've now given, was it Shaw, the opportunity to get two yards away from you.
• 39:55
  So, yeah, these type of things will be touched up on and good.
• 39:59
  But it was...
• 40:00
  It was sloppy in the sense that we dropped off, lost a tackle, gave them the opportunity to build into the game because they'd been on the back foot for 15 minutes before it.
• 40:10
  That was upsetting, but the goal, it was a pretty good goal.
• 40:14
  Do you think there were sloppy moments throughout the game?
• 40:16
  Did we ride our luck at times and then get a last-minute winner, or was it actually a good, stable performance from Moyes, given everything considered going into the game?
• 40:24
  I thought we were pretty average in the first half.
• 40:29
  I was thinking let's get to half-time here because we've been a bit sloppy.
• 40:35
  We've not quite been up to it.
• 40:36
  Last 10 minutes, I'd say, on the first half, we actually started to play well, get forward, thought a few chances in.
• 40:45
  There was an unbelievable Merlin roll-cross for Barry, who headed over at the back stick.
• 40:50
  It wasn't the easiest of chances.
• 40:52
  I'm not saying it wasn't scorable, it very much was.
• 40:55
  but it was on the harder side of chances.
• 41:01
  But, yeah, we started to look good.
• 41:05
  That last little bit of effort from Jarrod right before half-time was brilliant.
• 41:08
  That got the crowd right up, that didn't it?
• 41:09
  That brilliant tackle and then getting it in the face with the ball, which is what all good centre-halves should do.
• 41:15
  You ever see a good-looking centre-half?
• 41:16
  He celebrated after it as well.
• 41:18
  Yeah.
• 41:19
  Well, that's what players do.
• 41:20
  Now, he knew the significance of what he'd done.
• 41:23
  Because you don't want to go in
• 41:25
  a goal, conceded a goal just for off time.
• 41:27
  But, we then came out and conceded a goal at the start of the second half, don't we?
• 41:31
  But, it was a sloppy start, but I thought we were, I thought we were well worthy of our points.
• 41:35
  In the same way, I thought we were well worthy of our points against Bournemouth.
• 41:39
  We were worthy of our points here and it didn't look like we were going to get it.
• 41:43
  But, credit to the character of the team, still going, still pushing forward, not giving up.
• 41:48
  I think,
• 41:49
  defending, because like a Tottenham ball, it's still, you're a goal behind, but look at the desire to keep the second goal out.
• 41:55
  Against Man United, we're a goal behind, but look at the desire to work hard and work as a team and make sure it's still just 1-0, give your strikers a chance of getting back into it.
• 42:04
  And I thought, I've enjoyed watching us play.
• 42:08
  It hasn't always been vintage football.
• 42:10
  It hasn't always been brilliant, but I've enjoyed us.
• 42:14
  Is that down to the manager or the players?
• 42:16
  that ethos that emphasis of winning it back when you're 1-0 down you're close to conceding the second who's that who does the emphasis drop to with that is that the manager or is that the player's attitude both but it's not something that is just you do on the match day that is a philosophy within the club yeah that is it's worked on that is something no not just worked on it's a mindset that
• 42:39
  doesn't necessarily get worked on in the, I mean, they'll work on defensive moments and they'll work on defending and getting blocks in and all this, but the mindset to work as hard as you do for your teammates and be part of, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to have your back as much as you're going to have my back.
• 42:55
  And we're only a goal down.
• 42:57
  So let's leave it all out there.
• 42:58
  That's a, that's a philosophy that happens the second you go through the door, the second you go through the training ground, it's things that happen off the pitch.
• 43:07
  It's things that happen, it's,
• 43:09
  throughout the training ground without necessarily being on the grass.
• 43:11
  But definitely it happens when they're on the grass.
• 43:13
  And it's just a mindset that flows throughout the club.
• 43:16
  And it always, as much as I say the players do it, and I was part of unbelievably good squads at that, it does start.
• 43:26
  I mean, if the book starts and stops with the manager, then it does come from the manager.
• 43:30
  He demands it, doesn't he?
• 43:31
  He demands it from players.
• 43:33
  You put your body on the line and you wear your socks off here.
• 43:36
  Yeah.
• 43:37
  He does, but he asks a lot from you.
• 43:39
  He'll take a lot from you as well.
• 43:42
  And he'll ask for a lot, but he'll give you a lot.
• 43:45
  But also it might be little things like silly things.
• 43:51
  Like I know he's going to be fuming at me and he's going to sulk if I don't do this.
• 43:54
  He won't be happy if I don't do this.
• 43:55
  And he's going to be, you know, he's going to whinge at me if I don't do this.
• 43:58
  Whatever the reason is or whatever...
• 44:00
  whatever he's doing or whatever the people do, whether they literally shout at you all the time or whether they show real disappointment, it is finding a way to get your squad to really buy into what you want from them and believing in them and the mindset of it and winning your battles as much as anything else.
• 44:19
  I mean, giving you pride in the fact that
• 44:23
  Like if you think about it, say if you're playing for a team that's getting beat all the time and the winger runs at the full-back and the full-back is like, this just happens every single week.
• 44:33
  I'm giving up now.
• 44:33
  You know, just go on, get past me.
• 44:35
  I'm not trying that hard to stop the cross.
• 44:38
  Whereas, no, you could be 4-0 down for a team that you love and appreciate and where the mindset's right.
• 44:43
  And you still don't care.
• 44:44
  You are not getting beat in this individual battle any more than you have done.
• 44:48
  This is me and you now, toe-to-toe, we are not getting beat.
• 44:51
  So it's those mindsets within a club.
• 44:55
  Let's have a little chat about some other teams around the Premier League then.
• 44:58
  We might as well start with United.
• 44:59
  They got beat by Hull first game of the season and then looked a little bit nervous against us at times.
• 45:05
  We all had them down to have a very good season this year.
• 45:09
  Have they got something to worry about?
• 45:12
  Yeah.
• 45:13
  Yes, they have.
• 45:16
  I don't think there's a clear...
• 45:18
  an ultimate threat up top.
• 45:20
  I don't think, I think they're suffering.
• 45:22
  Do you know what?
• 45:22
  I think the game is suffering.
• 45:24
  There's a lack of nines.
• 45:26
  Just a proper nine.
• 45:28
  I mean, we all know the best nine in world football is Erling Haaland.
• 45:32
  There's just no one even close to that number.
• 45:34
  As a nine, an out-of-nine Erling Haaland is the one.
• 45:37
  And I don't care what people want to say.
• 45:38
  They could say Kylian Mbappe, but for me, he's not the same presence as an Erling Haaland.
• 45:45
  He's just not.
• 45:47
  What are you looking at?
• 45:50
  what's just gasp you're looking behind you you're looking behind you as if Kylian Mbappe is sitting behind you and I've insulted them always check your shoulder tone that's what I always get told always check your shoulder you caught me eating me breakfast that's what I was doing so yeah I just think the game's in the shoulder just proper nines and I think we could potentially have one in TN O'Barry it's just you've just you know got to keep adapting and keep improving keep getting better them things that I was talked about before and I
• 46:22
  working on your individual game.
• 46:25
  I don't care how old you are and how long you've been in the game, you can still learn.
• 46:29
  I know that because I've been in my sport.
• 46:31
  I've had three different coaches in a professional mix, coached by numerous people on an international stage and I'm at a boxing going around the world, boxing for my country.
• 46:39
  There's always something to learn.
• 46:41
  Well, I'll talk about United then because what worried me is they've been away from home twice now.
• 46:48
  and they've conceded two goals each time, Hull and us.
• 46:52
  And for good chunks of the game, they've looked a little bit nervous.
• 46:57
  I think they've been sort of physically, the game's been taken to them.
• 47:03
  There is no doubt that they have unbelievable quality in forward areas.
• 47:09
  Whether you'd say it's enough to really compete in the Champions League, in competitions, high-up competitions, I don't know.
• 47:18
  But when you've got Bruno, you've got Cunha, you've got Mbwemo who's decent, you've got Cesc Osh on the bench who you're not using, you've got all these talented people, you're going to go and cause teams problems like they caused us problems.
• 47:29
  Bruno hits the bar, early doors, they'd scored two goals.
• 47:33
  But Man Utd should... Not just Man Utd, but teams at the top are much better at controlling the games come the end, they're much better at seeing games out, they're much better at...
• 47:47
  standing up to any physical challenges that the opposition throw at them.
• 47:50
  Because if you've got a better team than people, then you know what they're going to throw at you is physicality or pace or something different.
• 47:59
  And I think they fell short in both of those at the minute.
• 48:03
  I think they fell short against Hull.
• 48:05
  I think they fell short against us.
• 48:07
  I think Michael Carrick, who I admire and what he's done so far.
• 48:13
  I mean, he took both of his full-backs off.
• 48:15
  He put Yara on, probably for a bit of height.
• 48:17
  Took Shaw off, wasted time.
• 48:18
  I thought the team they finished with, Dogu on for... Was it a Bwemo or something?
• 48:23
  I thought the team they finished with was quite sort of negative in terms of seeing the game out.
• 48:28
  Give us an opportunity to be proactive.
• 48:31
  So...
• 48:32
  I'm a little bit concerned about that for them.
• 48:34
  I think there's a lot to work on.
• 48:36
  I do think the United, in the same way we were talking about us, I do think for United and the competitions that they're in, I think they've been left a little bit short.
• 48:45
  I don't think they have a midfield, but I think at the back, I think they could have done with another centre-half.
• 48:50
  And I think at the top end, they could have done with another centre-forward.
• 48:54
  I think they've been left a little bit short as well.
• 48:58
  Talking about number nines, briefly there, Havertz has made a good start to the season, so have Arsenal 3-3.
• 49:04
  Are they looking like they're untouchable after that 2-1 win at Chelsea?
• 49:09
  Can anyone compete with them?
• 49:16
  Well, City are having a go at the minute.
• 49:18
  What I will say is Arsenal...
• 49:20
  I've started the league kind of flawlessly.
• 49:24
  I know they conceded the goal.
• 49:27
  But, you know, three wins out of three as title holders from last season.
• 49:32
  They look great, as we talked about previously.
• 49:34
  They've strengthened well.
• 49:37
  Yes, they've lost some decent players over the Samaritan, Nelly and Trossard, some people.
• 49:41
  But I think they've strengthened reasonably well, especially through the spine of the team.
• 49:45
  Konza looks like a great sign considering the injuries they've just had.
• 49:50
  And you look at them and you think they're going to be tough to beat because I see them winning most games.
• 49:57
  Would anyone put it past them being invincible the way they've started?
• 50:00
  I mean, just for how they're playing and how powerful they are.
• 50:04
  I'm just saying it's not out of the realms.
• 50:07
  What I would say is this time last year, was it last year?
• 50:11
  Liverpool were coming off winning the title the previous year and they'd won their first five, was it?
• 50:17
  Even though it was like last minute winners.
• 50:19
  You know, they scored like three last minute winners or something.
• 50:23
  So Liverpool started the season pretty well last year before it all fell apart.
• 50:28
  So season's a long time.
• 50:29
  It's 38 games, is it?
• 50:31
  Nine months or whatever it might be.
• 50:33
  So you have to be good over the whole of it.
• 50:35
  Arsenal look like the team to beat.
• 50:38
  Champions League kicks in, they're in trouble.
• 50:41
  They will start feeling the pace.
• 50:43
  No, I'm telling you, not trouble, but you know, they're going to start feeling the pace like everybody else.
• 50:47
  I think in part of that Chelsea game, you've seen that they can be got her.
• 50:52
  and I don't think and I think I don't think Chelsea are in any great shapes I think they're a good side I think they've obviously got a good manager but he doesn't even know his best side yet
• 51:05
  And he showed that Arsenal can be opened up.
• 51:07
  They had various chances, by the way.
• 51:09
  Jao Pedro didn't have a great game, where he usually does.
• 51:14
  So, I don't know.
• 51:17
  I'm not on the big Arsenal gravy train that everyone else seems to be on.
• 51:22
  Are they the best team in the country?
• 51:23
  Yes.
• 51:24
  But are they anywhere near this invincible state that I was just slightly edged towards?
• 51:29
  Absolutely not, no.
• 51:32
  They will lose a game, mate, and they will lose a game within.
• 51:35
  I don't know what their next five or six fixtures look like, but they will lose in the next five or six fixtures, I believe.
• 51:41
  Talking about being invincible, Hull haven't conceded a goal yet.
• 51:45
  Don't start me off on that lot.
• 51:46
  They're making me nervous.
• 51:48
  They're making me really nervous, mate.
• 51:50
  They really are.
• 51:50
  Nervous about what?
• 51:52
  Because it just shows you what a well-drilled team can do by shutting people down.
• 51:57
  Yeah, but why is it making you nervous?
• 51:59
  Because they... You'd only be nervous if you think we're competing with them for something.
• 52:02
  Well, I'm nervous because they shouldn't be where they are.
• 52:05
  And they shouldn't be enjoying themselves like they are now, to be honest.
• 52:08
  I'm not happy about that.
• 52:09
  Because they're enjoying themselves more than me.
• 52:12
  I know, but it just worries me.
• 52:13
  Do you know what I mean?
• 52:14
  It worries me because they're below us.
• 52:17
  And when you're sitting above us, that doesn't sit right with me.
• 52:21
  Have you seen their shot?
• 52:22
  Do what?
• 52:24
  Yeah.
• 52:24
  The chance, getting mauled by the Tigers.
• 52:28
  My Lord.
• 52:30
  Please do that movement again, Liam.
• 52:31
  Please show us that movement again.
• 52:33
  You're getting mauled by the Tigers.
• 52:35
  They do it.
• 52:36
  When they're winning games.
• 52:37
  They even got to, I think we talked about it, they even got to sing You're Going Home in a Taxi to the Man United fans after the trains got cancelled in the opening weekend.
• 52:45
  And you're getting mauled by the Tigers.
• 52:49
  let's not pretend if if it was us and we had some sort of chant like that we'd be screaming it at everyone we're the big club we're the big club huge club I'd still be screaming you're getting mauled by the toffees you're getting chewed you're getting chewed up by the toffees but we can't sit in a stadium chewing our mouths can we
• 53:07
  I just think do you know what I'm trying to think of who the teams have impressed me obviously Arsenal have done the job so far Liverpool have been underwhelming as usual City have surprised me Tony yeah me as well I'll tell you what was thinking last night seeing Haaland fuming in Europe coming out and calling players out I like that love it culpability yeah
• 53:32
  In Europe, I watched him last night and Harland was here.
• 53:35
  I'm a huge fan of him.
• 53:36
  He's just a freak.
• 53:37
  Like that boy is just... Would never have guessed.
• 53:40
  Mate, he's just a monster.
• 53:42
  The Viking is the Viking.
• 53:43
  He really is, mate.
• 53:43
  He should invade countries.
• 53:45
  He really should.
• 53:46
  But he's just...
• 53:48
  When he called... What's his name?
• 53:50
  The midfielder out.
• 53:52
  I had his name.
• 53:53
  He's a brand new player.
• 53:55
  Youngster Fordman, the centre of the park.
• 53:57
  Buadi Buadi that's the one yes and I thought oh he's a player but he went should have sloted me in there he knew he'd seen me free and it was a mistake by him on his part and just called him out straight away brilliant fantastic
• 54:11
  That's what you do.
• 54:12
  Do you know one of the things about that is, because I don't know what Enzo Maresca's like on the inside and whether he would say that, how the structure is within there.
• 54:22
  But you know Pep was always about a tap-in, wasn't he?
• 54:25
  So Harland's probably never had to come out and do that because when they got back in the dressing room, Pep would have been on about it, tap-ins, tap-ins, tap-ins.
• 54:34
  So whether he's just suddenly thought, well, Enzo Moresco's not making these statements, I'm going to call him out here.
• 54:39
  That's got to be a tapping.
• 54:40
  Pep's not here to do that anymore.
• 54:41
  It's got to be a tapping for me.
• 54:43
  I don't know whether Enzo's sort of emphasising their messages, but it's interesting that you've never heard Erling Haaland come out and make that statement before.
• 54:50
  He's never had to.
• 54:52
  And yet he is doing it at the start of this new manager's tenure.
• 54:56
  I'll watch this space on that one.
• 54:57
  Yeah, I think whoever listens, whoever finishes above them is the winner.
• 55:01
  I'm a little bit eager to edge towards them.
• 55:06
  The only thing that I'm not going out on my shield and saying that it's them for is purely because it's Mureska in charge.
• 55:12
  If Pep Guardiola was still in charge of City, I'd make them favourites for the league this season.
• 55:17
  Yeah.
• 55:17
  I really would.
• 55:18
  Probably after their transfer window.
• 55:20
  Because I was, as I said,
• 55:22
  I think I'd put them down to finish third because losing Pep, losing Rodri, losing Stones, losing Bernardo Silva, you think there's big holes.
• 55:32
  But it's mad because, you know, we did it ourselves, but I've done it for a couple of different companies now at the start of the season.
• 55:39
  The Premier League, BBC, Guy, all this.
• 55:42
  Picking who you think is going to finish at the top of the league and who you think is going to finish at the bottom.
• 55:46
  And you're always asked to do it at the start of the season.
• 55:48
  And then teams make all these signings or not on transfer window day and suddenly your picks look stupid.
• 55:55
  You know, like suddenly your picks look ridiculous because you've made these statements and then you go, well, they've just signed Bouadi, Enzo Fernandes.
• 56:06
  They've just signed, you know, and suddenly Illuminati and suddenly you go, Jesus.
• 56:10
  Yeah.
• 56:11
  I wish I could swap that.
• 56:11
  I wish I could take that back.
• 56:13
  But it was a good transfer window for City and they are looking strong.
• 56:18
  I'd like to see them go away to Villa or Everton.
• 56:23
  No, no, not Everton.
• 56:24
  No, it's Villa.
• 56:25
  No, even some of these teams and see whether they can do it because I think they'll be fine at home for the most part and I think they'll beat the teams they're expected to away.
• 56:33
  I wonder whether, you know, when it's, you know, that game, Tuesday night at Stoke, you know, can you go away and do these awkward games?
• 56:41
  I think Illumina and Jarrett's going to be massive.
• 56:44
  Illumina and Jarrett's going to be massive for them.
• 56:47
  They will soon realise what we've all seen.
• 56:49
  Illumina who?
• 56:51
  I don't know who you're talking about anymore.
• 56:53
  Oh, shut up, Yig.
• 56:55
  Mate, I'm telling you, that boy's a player.
• 56:57
  He's such a good player.
• 57:01
  And they're going to see me.
• 57:02
  They're going to find out.
• 57:03
  He was a hidden gem, that boy.
• 57:06
  And unfortunately, they've got him.
• 57:08
  But mate, trust me, he'll shine there.
• 57:12
  When he gets on the ball, the things that he'll do, and I know they've got great players in the Cherkies and the Dokus and your Fodans, he's completely different to all of them because he'll do as much going backwards as he does going forwards and that, for me, is so hard to find in a player.
• 57:26
  Oz, who do you see who does that?
• 57:30
  In the game today?
• 57:31
  Yeah, is he eager to get back as he is going forward and does it as well?
• 57:37
  I'm sure a lot of people will be telling me that there are players.
• 57:42
  On a wing of Wessler.
• 57:43
  Yeah, it's hard because as I've mentioned before, he was at some points last season, he was like the highest player in the whole Premier League for winning the ball back.
• 57:53
  I didn't know whether that said a lot about our full-backs.
• 57:59
  I didn't even know that says everything about him.
• 58:01
  There were moments in the season when he was always right up there of amount of times having won the ball back.
• 58:08
  Obviously, Idrissa Gueye was up there for tackles and interceptions, but actually taking the ball off the opponent and closing down and stuff like that.
• 58:16
  So he's...
• 58:17
  He's top at that, and they will see the benefits of that.
• 58:20
  Because, I mean, I can't even be angry with him for wanting to leave.
• 58:25
  Because he's playing in the Champions League already.
• 58:28
  He's going to compete for a title this year, and he's playing in the Champions League.
• 58:30
  So...
• 58:32
  Good luck to him.
• 58:33
  And I don't think he'll forget us.
• 58:36
  I mean, him and his wife, his missus, posted some lovely sort of Everton content, I suppose we'd say.
• 58:43
  And it just shows what the club does to you.
• 58:45
  Once you've been in the door, you know, as the great someone said, once this club touches you, nothing will ever be the same again.
• 58:51
  And it's true.
• 58:53
  I can see him coming back one day.
• 58:55
  I definitely can.
• 58:56
  Here's a one for you.
• 58:58
  We didn't anticipate this.
• 59:00
  What's your thoughts on Graeme Souness' opinion of Declan Rice?
• 59:06
  What did he say?
• 59:06
  He said he doesn't think Declan Rice is very good.
• 59:10
  He thinks he's basically a centre-half player in the middle of the park.
• 59:15
  I don't know if he phrased, did he say not very good?
• 59:18
  I know he was basically saying he doesn't get in most top teams as a setter midfielder and he's not the all-round.
• 59:27
  He definitely said he's not an all-round midfielder.
• 59:30
  He loves that shout, doesn't he?
• 59:31
  He said that in the past as well.
• 59:33
  As I heard Ali McCoy sort of saying as well, I was listening to the radio, that that's a sort of,
• 59:40
  It's a tough statement that in the modern day world because Graham's going back to the times when we played 4-4-2.
• 59:45
  Well, you played a variation of it where you were two of your midfielders and between the two of you, you had to defend, you had to attack, you had to get in a box, you had to shoot from distance, you had to run past your striker, you had to get back.
• 59:58
  Basically, the whole point of being a midfielder was you did Everton.
• 1:00:02
  And those top-class midfielders were those that did Everton well.
• 1:00:06
  And obviously, Graham was one of them.
• 1:00:09
  So I'd look at the likes of Steven Gerrard was all-round.
• 1:00:13
  I don't know whether Frank Lampard was, but he was good enough he could have played in the two.
• 1:00:18
  In the same way, just to show you, Gazza played centre midfield, which he never would these days.
• 1:00:23
  But all-round midfielders don't really exist anymore in the modern game because you've got sixes, you've got eights, you've got tens.
• 1:00:29
  Kevin De Bruyne was...
• 1:00:31
  was a player that was an attacking player who did crosses, but he couldn't defend.
• 1:00:36
  So by that sort of estimation, he's not an all-round midfielder.
• 1:00:39
  And he raves on Kevin Debron and Dunny.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, he's not an all-round midfielder.
• 1:00:43
  So it just depends how you sort of define it.
• 1:00:45
  I think Declan Rice is exceptional.
• 1:00:48
  I think he's very, very good.
• 1:00:49
  I think he does the defensive side brilliantly.
• 1:00:52
  I think he does the box-to-box great.
• 1:00:54
  I think he arrives...
• 1:00:56
  on cue, his tackling's good.
• 1:00:58
  Do I think he's brilliant at playing through balls and whipping them over the top?
• 1:01:03
  Probably not, although he does deliver a brilliant corner and free kick, his delivery is good.
• 1:01:08
  But do you see him doing what De Bruyne does and constantly playing through balls?
• 1:01:12
  No.
• 1:01:12
  But that's not to say he's not an outstanding midfielder and if you got the balance right around him, you'd have him in your team more often than not.
• 1:01:19
  I think most people would have him in the team.
• 1:01:21
  I know he said about, like, does he get a Barca and Real Madrid's teams
• 1:01:26
  I think he's definitely in the squad.
• 1:01:31
  And then I think he's probably in the team, yeah.
• 1:01:33
  You find a place for someone like Declan Rice.
• 1:01:35
  I mean, I just listen, I'm always intrigued by listening to him, and he's one of the greatest footballers that they've seen.
• 1:01:42
  So, I just thought I'd ask you as a footballer that question, but ultimately, I get what you're saying.
• 1:01:48
  It's a different game now, but...
• 1:01:51
  I've listened to him talking about it.
• 1:01:52
  He's always the last man.
• 1:01:54
  He's always the last man.
• 1:01:56
  He's lower than defenders at times in the games.
• 1:01:59
  And I'm like, well, it's just obviously the position he's being asked to play.
• 1:02:02
  And he does that so well for England as well, to be fair.
• 1:02:05
  I think he's a phenomenal footballer.
• 1:02:07
  I think he's got the full package.
• 1:02:08
  I think he's got the lot.
• 1:02:09
  I think whatever you ask someone like Declan Rice to do, he can do.
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  So if you ask him to go and penetrate through the midfield, I think he could.
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  And I think if you're asking him to get forward, I think he can.
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  But if you're saying, right, I need you to be disciplined, sit and be deep and pass the ball and generate and create, I think he can do that.
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  So I think he can do the whole lot.
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  It's just I think he plays in a system where it doesn't allow him to show everything that he can do.
• 1:02:33
  He's being asked to do a certain job at Arsenal and he's doing it, you know, above and beyond.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, talking about midfielders, I didn't get to talk about him before.
• 1:02:41
  I thought for his time on the pitch, I thought Hayden Hackney did brilliantly at the weekend.
• 1:02:46
  I thought he gave us, felt a bit, not frustrated because Jimmy Garner played okay.
• 1:02:52
  He's not at the levels he was last year yet, but that's because he's missed a ball pre-season.
• 1:02:55
  That's why Moisey was trying to give him more minutes, putting him right back.
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  But...
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  Hackney gave us a spark.
• 1:03:02
  He gave us a brightness.
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  He travelled with the ball.
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  He was, how would I describe it?
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  He showed good tricks.
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  He gave us a bit of impetus.
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  He gave us a bit of drive in the middle, taking the ball forward, playing forward passes.
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  Everything he did had purpose, I thought, to try and get us back in the game.
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  And in a game where quite a lot of people were happy to go sideways,
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  not just talking about Everton, I'm talking about the modern game, we're happy to keep the ball and go sideways.
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  He was bright, he was positive, he was thinking forward all the time.
• 1:03:34
  Even the goal for Tyreek George, he's bright, he takes it forward, he plays a good ball into Barry's foot, who...
• 1:03:40
  Obviously, he miscontrols it.
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  Happy that it came back to him because he was the one moving forward, happening a lovely pass out wide.
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  And he was involved with the second goal as well.
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  I thought he deserved a shout-out because I thought he did well when he came on against Bournemouth.
• 1:03:54
  And I thought he was very good in the first game as well.
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  So I'm really pleased with that signing from what I've seen so far.
• 1:04:01
  I think when you talk about developing, he's still young.
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  I think he can become a good player.
• 1:04:10
  And Harrison Armstrong's continuing to impress.
• 1:04:12
  I agree that Harrison Armstrong, Hayden Hachney, youngsters are.
• 1:04:18
  That's Everton Football Club.
• 1:04:20
  You know, believing in youngsters, bringing them through, getting them to a level...
• 1:04:24
  Edgerton Keane and Jude Peel has been one of the finds for us.
• 1:04:27
  I think he's the hidden gem.
• 1:04:29
  I think he's absolutely fantastic.
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  Penetrates, gets forward, creates chances, can score goals.
• 1:04:35
  Him and Jack Grealis together are fantastic.
• 1:04:38
  I just love the fact when Jack gets on the ball, he's telling players where to go.
• 1:04:42
  He's helping them.
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  And that is...
• 1:04:46
  that is bringing players on tenfold do you know if he can just be saying I'm holding this ball here don't worry about this fella he's not getting it off me there's nothing he can do to get this ball off me I'll keep my hold in place and that's what he does and he tells players go there literally with his hand on the pitch in front of us all so we can all see and that for an education for a footballer for a young footballer is just fantastic it really is so I'm happy I think we're doing really well
• 1:05:11
  and there's room to improve I just I do I genuinely believe in Tiano Barry I do I do believe he has got something there I genuinely believe that I wouldn't say it if it didn't I just think the lad can be a goal scorer I just I just don't know what it is that's
• 1:05:29
  seems to be holding them back at the minute.
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  He's got to start proving it and there's no better place to do it than Saturday at 5.30 against Spurs, Liam, because this is a big game.
• 1:05:42
  Again, I've said about this weekend about United is a big game because if we win it, we're on seven points out of nine.
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  We'll start the season brilliantly.
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  If we lose it, we're on four and it's a little bit mediocre.
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  But we drew.
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  Good feeling about the draw.
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  in terms of another last-minute goal.
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  Still taking positivity forward, five points out of nine, over 50% of your points.
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  Very good.
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  Now we go into this next game.
• 1:06:08
  If you win, you've had a great start to the season.
• 1:06:10
  If you lose, again, mediocre, especially against the Spurs team who haven't scored the goal this season, never mind won a game.
• 1:06:21
  I was at the Spurs, the Nottingham Forest Spurs game, and it was competitive, to be fair.
• 1:06:27
  There was tackles flying in everywhere, which of the games like that, that'll suit us.
• 1:06:32
  But there wasn't any quality at the top end of the pitch.
• 1:06:34
  It was as if De Zerbe was just trying to not lose that game.
• 1:06:38
  Foot-back four, three-holding midfielders all in front, really.
• 1:06:42
  Sort of said to the front three, go do your own thing.
• 1:06:44
  I think it'd be a bit more...
• 1:06:46
  I think he'll have to push forward a bit more at home.
• 1:06:47
  But this is a game against a Spurs team that are underwhelming at the minute that we could win.
• 1:06:54
  And we don't usually do well down at Spurs, I've got to be honest.
• 1:06:57
  But this would be a great statement if we could go there and win.
• 1:07:00
  I guess the saying goes, though, doesn't it?
• 1:07:03
  If you're dying for a goal, who do you want to play?
• 1:07:05
  It usually ends up being us.
• 1:07:07
  you know what Lee just took the words out of my mouth if you can't get a winner or you've got a fella who hasn't scored in three years or something like that man just put him on the pitch and Everton will show you Everton will do it against Everton it's just always the way mate so but yeah I'm being optimistic the lads back should be up they should be feeling great about themselves to do a will to fight to the very end against United do you know I think the key to Saturday is and I really think this is the most important thing
• 1:07:38
  in the first 20 minutes.
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  Because if you concede against them in them first 20 minutes, I can see it being a problem.
• 1:07:45
  If you can keep them out for 20, 30 minutes, mate, their crowd's not going to be happy.
• 1:07:49
  They haven't seen a goal.
• 1:07:50
  They're edgy, they're nervous.
• 1:07:52
  Even better, you can send them 1-0 behind.
• 1:07:55
  I think even going 1-0 up is a bit of a...
• 1:07:57
  I know this sounds stupid once again with my tiny pea brain, but going 1-0 up really early could be a bit of a risk as well because it forces them to come out fighting and really going for it.
• 1:08:07
  I just think quieting in the crowd,
• 1:08:10
  and being really reserved in the first 20 minutes is massive in this game because we don't need to give them anything and we don't need to give them anything that they really come out really fighting for, if that makes sense.
• 1:08:19
  Well, as long as Tierno has all our chances in the first 20 minutes, we'll be fine.
• 1:08:23
  We'll be all nice.
• 1:08:23
  Oh, shut up, you.
• 1:08:25
  Give the lad a break.
• 1:08:26
  He's trying his bloody best.
• 1:08:27
  I'm only joking.
• 1:08:28
  I'm only joking.
• 1:08:29
  I just want to see him do well.
• 1:08:31
  Jaws, you must see something in him, Oz.
• 1:08:34
  You're a player, you know.
• 1:08:37
  he's getting in the positions.
• 1:08:42
  That's something, isn't it?
• 1:08:45
  I've not given up on him.
• 1:08:48
  I do think, I do see moments and I do see things at times I think, oh, that was bright.
• 1:08:55
  But I could tell you a number of ex-professionals around who I speak to
• 1:09:02
  or not have given up on him, which is an incredible thing when he's your only striker.
• 1:09:08
  So I think we're going to have to get them back on board with regards to believing him.
• 1:09:12
  And by the way, these people I'm talking about, me included, we are behind him 100%.
• 1:09:17
  You support him.
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  You want him to be successful.
• 1:09:22
  You just look at some of the things he does and wonder, I think the thing that is, the people I'm talking about,
• 1:09:29
  wonder would they have ever done that on a football pitch and the answer generally is no you know so I think that's where there's a little bit of frustration but he's still young sometimes things click sometimes something just happens to get you get you and as you've just mentioned four goals already one one out of three in the Premier League if he scores against Spurs suddenly that's that's a good return in your opening games he's not far off it so
• 1:09:55
  Yeah, being positive, hope it all comes together because, do you know what?
• 1:10:00
  We need him to.
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  We've got one striker.
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  Is it?
• 1:10:02
  It is half the battle.
• 1:10:04
  He's getting into the position, so he's getting the chances.
• 1:10:06
  It means he's in the right place.
• 1:10:08
  It's just now about tucking him away.
• 1:10:10
  Is it some weeks that he'll get to, some weeks he won't?
• 1:10:12
  What is that down to?
• 1:10:15
  just poor finishing really he is getting into some good positions as you said that's the positive thing more often than not he's getting into some good positions to finish his build up players needs a lot of work
• 1:10:31
  but you need the striker to get in there because, you know, as we always say, if the striker's not getting any chances, then you're looking at them and thinking, we can't get this guy a chance.
• 1:10:40
  He's always marked.
• 1:10:41
  He's easily marked.
• 1:10:41
  He can't get away from people.
• 1:10:44
  It's like playing without one.
• 1:10:46
  And then if that's the case, you hope that they hold the ball up well because they're not getting any thingies.
• 1:10:51
  You hope they hold the ball up well.
• 1:10:51
  With Ciano's,
• 1:10:53
  not been amazing in his link-up play.
• 1:10:55
  But then you forgive that if he's getting opportunities and scoring them.
• 1:10:59
  Whereas he's getting... That's where the whole frustration thing is.
• 1:11:02
  He's not holding the ball up well for us at the minute.
• 1:11:05
  And he is getting himself into chances, but he's not taking them at the moment.
• 1:11:09
  So when that happens, you get frustrated.
• 1:11:12
  But yeah, he keeps getting the chances.
• 1:11:14
  He keeps getting in there.
• 1:11:15
  He's given our creative players something to aim for at least.
• 1:11:20
  And he might just have a run where things go his way.
• 1:11:24
  Trust.
• 1:11:26
  Final thing, predictions for Saturday?
• 1:11:32
  Can I just ask you a question before we go?
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  Would you both take a draw now?
• 1:11:37
  Ooh.
• 1:11:38
  That's the question I'm thinking.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, I probably would.
• 1:11:41
  Would.
• 1:11:42
  Actually, I probably would.
• 1:11:45
  I'm going to sell you something now for the whole of the season.
• 1:11:48
  I'll take a point away from home every time besides the bottom three.
• 1:11:53
  I'll take a point away from home for every game away from home this season apart from the bottom three.
• 1:11:57
  And think about it.
• 1:11:58
  I'm saying this now based on, look at our former wife mom last season.
• 1:12:02
  It was fantastic.
• 1:12:03
  How many wins away from home last season did we get?
• 1:12:07
  I just think our home form has got to improve.
• 1:12:11
  That's the only reason I say that.
• 1:12:12
  I'm happy to take draws away from home if our home form improves.
• 1:12:16
  By that estimation, I mean, if I'm doing my maths right, that's...
• 1:12:21
  20 hang on 19 20 21 23 25 points so that's 25 points away from home that's an incredible return I mean so it's yeah that would be optimistic I'll tell you what I bet you haven't went that far off that last season for the return away from home no probably not and that's an exceptional and that's an exceptional sort of I think we're in and around that number hmm
• 1:12:47
  I think you've got to go and you've got to understand you won't win them all.
• 1:12:50
  You're going to lose a chunk of them.
• 1:12:52
  So you have to find wins somewhere.
• 1:12:55
  And you know what?
• 1:12:56
  Yeah.
• 1:12:57
  Start of this game.
• 1:12:58
  It's sort of that question.
• 1:12:59
  Would you take a point away from home?
• 1:13:00
  Yes.
• 1:13:02
  Satya now.
• 1:13:02
  Spurs have got a lot to play, but they have got a good squad.
• 1:13:05
  They're going to be right at it.
• 1:13:06
  You know what we're like when teams haven't scored for ages.
• 1:13:08
  They'll score again.
• 1:13:09
  So I would take a point, but...
• 1:13:11
  All of these conversations can only happen once the game's up and running and you're seeing how it's materialising and you're thinking, yeah, I'll take a point here, or we can't draw this game.
• 1:13:21
  We have been so good.
• 1:13:22
  We need to win this game.
• 1:13:23
  So you have to sort of gauge it as it's happening.
• 1:13:27
  Because that's why we think that the United game was a good point because we actually didn't deserve to lose, scored a last-minute win.
• 1:13:33
  And so we're all feeling positive about it.
• 1:13:35
  We're all feeling positive about that sort of point.
• 1:13:38
  Whereas if it was United that scored in the last minute, we'd be saying it's a disaster of a point.
• 1:13:43
  Do you know what I mean?
• 1:13:45
  So you have to sort of gauge it as it's happening.
• 1:13:46
  But right now, Satya, yes, they'll probably take points.
• 1:13:49
  Is this not a good time to play Spurs, though?
• 1:13:51
  It is the bottom of the league.
• 1:13:52
  Probably, yeah.
• 1:13:53
  It is, because it's the bottom of the league.
• 1:13:55
  So I feel like we should be taking advantage of that.
• 1:13:58
  We did well against Bournemouth away from home.
• 1:14:00
  We showed desire and grit to get that goal.
• 1:14:03
  I feel we could walk away with a 1-0 win, potentially.
• 1:14:06
  That's the dream.
• 1:14:07
  18-0 Barry, 1-0.
• 1:14:10
  That's fantastic.
• 1:14:11
  You know what, I'm going to go 2-0.
• 1:14:16
  2-0.
• 1:14:17
  I was thinking 3-1 there for a second, but I'm going to go 2-0 to us.
• 1:14:22
  I'm going to go 2-1, Evan, but I'm not going to lie, I'll take 1-1 now.
• 1:14:27
  Fair.
• 1:14:28
  Well, to quote Tony in the past, let's hope that Spurs stay being Spurs-y.
• 1:14:32
  We walk away with all three points.
• 1:14:35
  Fingers crossed.
• 1:14:35
  Well,