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Serial Killer Documentary - The Hunt for the Camden Ripper · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: I come down here for about four at three o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning, I think I walked over here. I
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Speaker 1: come around the bank here. I was looking for some loops.
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Speaker 1: I put a black bag.
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Speaker 2: I would play that.
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Speaker 1: And I own that. And I thought of our two fish.
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Speaker 1: I said it a two big sam or something.
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Speaker 3: And I opened a bag.
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Speaker 1: And heard the work.
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Speaker 4: I wom a pair of woman's legs.
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Speaker 1: That's rising.
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Speaker 5: The discovery of human body parts in Camden, North London,
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Speaker 5: in December two thousand and two launched one of the
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Speaker 5: most shocking murder investigations of modern times. It would also
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Speaker 5: raise serious questions about how a mentally ill man with
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Speaker 5: aliations of assault, rape and murder against him could be
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Speaker 5: free to kill and kill again.
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Speaker 6: As I remember, the week had been relatively quiet, but
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Speaker 6: it was a Monday morning and I received a call,
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Speaker 6: probably about a quarter to ten nine point forty five
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Speaker 6: to say that some suspected human remains had been found
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Speaker 6: in a bin in the Camden area of northwest London.
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Speaker 6: It certainly looked to me like some part of an
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Speaker 6: armor leg. Pathologists came down and confirmed that he was
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Speaker 6: looking at a part of a human lower leg immediately
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Speaker 6: underneath that bag. Was another almost identical black and green
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Speaker 6: plastic bag with the ties that contained a torso and
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Speaker 6: right arm.
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Speaker 5: The legs and torso were moved to the mortuary at
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Speaker 5: Saint Pancras Hospital where they were examined by pathologist Dr
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Speaker 5: Freddy Patel.
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Speaker 6: It was certainly clear to me that we were dealing
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Speaker 6: with more than one body. Therefore, more than one victim.
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Speaker 6: I mean one would have been enough when you're dealing
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Speaker 6: with two dismembered bodies, you know, So a murder inquiry
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Speaker 6: kicked him.
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Speaker 5: All rubbish collection due that day was immediately halted and
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Speaker 5: the whole estate was cordoned off. House to house inquiries began.
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Speaker 5: A mobile police station was set up and specialist teams
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Speaker 5: began a meticular search of every single bag of rubbish
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Speaker 5: on the estate.
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Speaker 7: We had two lower legs and then half a torso,
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Speaker 7: no identifying marks. Of course, we didn't know what we're
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Speaker 7: dealing with, apart from I think we were safe to
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Speaker 7: say they were female body parts. So as much as
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Speaker 7: we knew that first day.
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Speaker 8: When that happened and the place was raided basically and
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Speaker 8: if it was sealed off, you know, then if it
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Speaker 8: was going on here.
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Speaker 9: It's only when I say, when I come home here
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Speaker 9: one day and I'll see the all the holdings and
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Speaker 9: all that round, and it was just neighbors who's been
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Speaker 9: all chattering about it, and it's all going about it,
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Speaker 9: and the pressing and out the pub and all that business.
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Speaker 9: I've got a day over. It drove me around a
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Speaker 9: twist for a few weeks.
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Speaker 7: We have no hands, no heads, We've got small body
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Speaker 7: parts that were still looking for, so we had to
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Speaker 7: consider the drains. But then just across the road from
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Speaker 7: World Cime, we've got the canal and that would be
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Speaker 7: an ideal place to lose some body parts if you
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Speaker 7: so wish to. We also had a lot of rubbish
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Speaker 7: that had been removed already from raw Collis Street and
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Speaker 7: the surrounding area, and they'd gone to the landfill sites.
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Speaker 7: So we had to get our search officers to go
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Speaker 7: to the landfill site and search hundreds of tons of
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Speaker 7: rubbish in the hope that we might find or parts
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Speaker 7: of the bodies that we already had. And did you no,
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Speaker 7: we didn't.
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Speaker 5: Thirty six hours after the first body parts had been found,
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Speaker 5: a search of the estate had uncovered no more human remains.
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Speaker 5: But as night fell on the second day, the police
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Speaker 5: widened their search across the road and into Plender Street.
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Speaker 6: In a very short time of a search being undertaken
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Speaker 6: in Plender Street, further human remains were discovered. They'd been
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Speaker 6: dismembered very carefully and probably with a great deal of
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Speaker 6: precision and a great deal of thought.
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Speaker 10: That was a torso, right arm, left arm, and a foot.
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Speaker 6: There was nothing panicky about the way that these victims
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Speaker 6: had been dismembered.
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Speaker 5: Suspicion on the estate quickly focused on one man.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of neighbors in that estate that were
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Speaker 7: happy to tell us that they thought the chap called
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Speaker 7: mister Hardy living at number four was a strange individual.
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Speaker 7: His comings and goings different hours of the day and night,
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Speaker 7: with different ladies, and they suggested we should be looking
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Speaker 7: in that direction.
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Speaker 11: When the police asked me if there were any suspicious
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Speaker 11: people living, any people that were the undesirable whatever, the
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Speaker 11: only person I could think of was mister Hardy.
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Speaker 6: He was a person of interest, you know. I couldn't
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Speaker 6: put it any more strongly than that, because there was nothing,
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Speaker 6: nothing to suggest at all that this individual had been
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Speaker 6: involved in any way in what I was currently investigating.
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Speaker 6: But I did know him through something that had happened
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Speaker 6: a year before. I had a structured plan of how
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Speaker 6: I was going to adopt my house to house strategy.
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Speaker 10: What I wanted was proactive entry.
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Speaker 5: When the time came to knock on mister Hardy's door,
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Speaker 5: the police double their manpower and were prepared to break in,
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Speaker 5: but the door was unlocked.
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Speaker 12: The door is a jar basically like this. As we
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Speaker 12: come in. We've got the bathroom on the right. Here,
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Speaker 12: straight in front of us the locked bedroom door, and
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Speaker 12: along the bottom. Along the bottom is the set of
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Speaker 12: what appears to be traxit bottoms or something similar to that.
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Speaker 12: We don't know what we're going to finally open the door.
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Speaker 12: There is a smell which is quite apparent. The uniform
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Speaker 12: officers force the door open. We've got the bed in
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Speaker 12: the corner with a chair on it, a desk, a
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Speaker 12: wardrobe in this corner, and about here is a square
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Speaker 12: shaped package wrapped in twine and black plus bags with
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Speaker 12: the hexaw and knives on top of it. It is
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Speaker 12: quite apparent that that package is likely to be a
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Speaker 12: human torso.
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Speaker 5: Anthony John Hardy had lived in the flat for three
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Speaker 5: years but was now on the run. He'd been seen
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Speaker 5: just hours before, and police believed that he was still
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Speaker 5: in London. They immediately launched one of their largest ever manhunts.
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Speaker 5: Following the discovery of a female torso in his flat,
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Speaker 5: the police identified Antony Hardy as their prime suspect in
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Speaker 5: the Camden bin bag murders. Hardy was a fifty one
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Speaker 5: year old divorcee with four children and a history of alcoholism,
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Speaker 5: mental illness, and allegations of sexual and indecent assaults. He'd
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Speaker 5: been imprisoned three times for car crime and theft, and
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Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety five had been sectioned under the Mental
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Speaker 5: Health Act. He was also known to pick up prostitutes
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Speaker 5: from nearby King's Cross. Hardy had said that one day
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Speaker 5: he'd be famous.
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Speaker 13: Where the women's remain.
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Speaker 14: The murder hunt is.
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Speaker 12: Belonged to.
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Speaker 15: Studying CCTV footage.
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Speaker 16: It's thought the murders could have been committed up to
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Speaker 16: a week ago.
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Speaker 5: The police began a massive search for Hardy as part
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Speaker 5: of the man hunt. They also searched through hours of
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Speaker 5: CCTV footage from the estate, from hospitals and from Hardy's
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Speaker 5: local supermarkets.
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Speaker 7: We've had people ringing it and saying I have seen
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Speaker 7: that man and he's around the area, and we were
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Speaker 7: quite confident that he was still around the area. Why
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Speaker 7: he hadn't left, I don't know.
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Speaker 6: We alerted a number of local hospitals because he needed medication.
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Speaker 6: We didn't think he traveled too far because most of
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Speaker 6: his medication that we could say he was still in
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Speaker 6: the flat. We didn't think he had a car.
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Speaker 5: Hardy was taking seven types of medication to treat his
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Speaker 5: diabetes and manic depression. He was also an outpatient at
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Speaker 5: Saint Luke's Mental Hospital in North London.
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Speaker 17: Anthony Hardy was known to US and the Services from
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Speaker 17: nineteen ninety five and had various contact with different aspects
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Speaker 17: of our services in the intervening years. I think there
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Speaker 17: were concerns that he had bipolar disorder, where he may
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Speaker 17: be subject to mud swings, election or even lower mood.
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Speaker 17: I don't think it was that clear that there was
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Speaker 17: very active concern around that aspect of his condition, because
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Speaker 17: for quite a long period he appeared to be well
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Speaker 17: and was recovering and doing well.
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Speaker 6: I suppose we all have neighbors, acquaintances, people we see
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Speaker 6: and and we look at them and think, well, he
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Speaker 6: or she's a bit strange. You almost don't go beyond
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Speaker 6: just that initial feeling. And certainly even if you think
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Speaker 6: that about somebody, you don't automatically think, well, he or
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Speaker 6: she is strange, so he or she is obviously a
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Speaker 6: massive murderer or a serial killer.
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Speaker 11: I just was like, I just went like jelly. The
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Speaker 11: fact that I was just a foot away from him
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Speaker 11: in the refuse been roung knowing now what he did.
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Speaker 9: It was weird anything that the gown on behind his door,
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Speaker 9: because he just wasn't talk to anybody. They're strangers to me,
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Speaker 9: these the likes of him, these new people moving in there,
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Speaker 9: and that they didn't come from a round here.
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Speaker 5: As they searched the flat, the police also got their
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Speaker 5: first major lead.
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Speaker 6: Hardy owned a Nectar card, and by marrying up the
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Speaker 6: nectar cards with the receipt for which the points were
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Speaker 6: put on, we were able to determine that at that
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Speaker 6: time a quantity of those industrial bags had been purchased.
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Speaker 6: When we knew the time from the receipt that the
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Speaker 6: bags had been purchased, we were able to look at
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Speaker 6: the close circuit television footage from the store and we
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Speaker 6: were able to see Hardy purchasing those bags.
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Speaker 5: Hardy had also been recorded by a camera directly above
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Speaker 5: the wheelie bin in Plender Street.
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Speaker 6: The CCTV footage of Plender Street is quite bizarre in
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Speaker 6: that all you are seeing is a man going to
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Speaker 6: a bin and putting a bag of rubbish in it.
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Speaker 6: When you watch it, you are watching a person with
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Speaker 6: a bag that contains part of a human being nonchalantly
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Speaker 6: putting it into a wheelie bin and walking away. We
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Speaker 6: knew from the CCTV footage at the University College Hospital
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Speaker 6: that Hardy had changed his appearance. That photograph was released
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Speaker 6: and I think was front page news the next day.
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Speaker 2: And everybody was talking about it because his picture has
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Speaker 2: been in the newspaper. And then they asked of me
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Speaker 2: that if that was the guy I serve, and I said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: thick within because he had the same cat.
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Speaker 5: After two days on the run, Hardy was recognized by
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Speaker 5: a retired policeman in a secluded smoking room in Great
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Speaker 5: Ormond Street Hospital.
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Speaker 18: The door opens and walks mister Ardy carrying his world
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Speaker 18: of goods, and chatts with him. Sits there in the
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Speaker 18: corner behind my sons, finished a cigarette and it's tarting
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Speaker 18: to go back to the ward and walking back, my
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Speaker 18: son says, yes, did you see that guy that come in?
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Speaker 18: I said, what the bin bag man?
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Speaker 19: And I said yeah.
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Speaker 18: He says, so, isn't it. I said, I think so.
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Speaker 18: And he says, what you're going to do about it?
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Speaker 18: And I said, I'm going to do bugger all about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 18: I said, We've got enough trouble enough plates at the moment.
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Speaker 18: And as we walked along towards the lift, he says,
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Speaker 18: he says, you've got to do something about it.
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Speaker 19: So I fear enough and I'll.
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Speaker 18: Go along the security and he's actually sitting reading the
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Speaker 18: paper with the actual story on it. I says, this
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Speaker 18: guy here, I said, he's sitting downstairs when there was
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Speaker 18: quite quite a last time constablingly that night.
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Speaker 5: There, Hardy was arrested and taken to Colindale Police station
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Speaker 5: in North London. Officers dealing with him said he was
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Speaker 5: calm and polite with their prime suspect and custody. The
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Speaker 5: police began a detailed forensic search of his flat in Camden.
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Speaker 6: It didn't look a conventional residence, but maybe there's a
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Speaker 6: bit of bias in that, because I know what else
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Speaker 6: was in there.
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Speaker 7: The flat itself was quite unkempt. It was not a
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Speaker 7: pleasant place to be or live. The kitchen its normal
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Speaker 7: state of plates hadn't been washed and food around. But
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Speaker 7: then if we go into the land, ye, they're in
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Speaker 7: the center a couple of televisions, all perfect order, like
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Speaker 7: a shrine. And that's exactly why I believe it was
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Speaker 7: mister Hardy's shrine, which was made up of all these
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Speaker 7: seventy or so pornographic videos and the televisions that you
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Speaker 7: used to watch them. We have DNA opportunities nowadays which
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Speaker 7: are so helpful, expensive but helpful.
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Speaker 5: In an attempt to discover what had happened in the flat,
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Speaker 5: the police employed a cutting edge forensic system called luminol.
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Speaker 6: Illuminol is a process that, when it's applied to surfaces
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Speaker 6: and objects, will show us whether or not there has
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Speaker 6: been blood there. The luminol work actually.
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Speaker 10: Showed us.
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Speaker 6: Blood virtually all over that flat, from the bathroom where
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Speaker 6: probably they may have been whatever washed, or whatever happened,
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Speaker 6: where bits may have been put into bags. There were
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Speaker 6: drag marks all the way into i suppose, for one
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Speaker 6: of a better word, the dismemberment room. The enormity, the
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Speaker 6: absolute enormity of what that man did becomes so so apparent.
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Speaker 5: The heads and the hands of both victims were still missing,
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Speaker 5: but DNA samples from the first torso identified her as
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Speaker 5: Bridget MacLennan, a thirty four year old woman who lived
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Speaker 5: in Camden and worked as a prostitute. The other torso
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Speaker 5: found in Hardy's flat had breast implants with unique serial numbers.
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Speaker 5: The body was identified as Elizabeth Valad, a Nottingham woman
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Speaker 5: who'd been working the streets in King's Cross.
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Speaker 14: The place came in and they just said, we think
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Speaker 14: we may have some bad news for you. You know,
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Speaker 14: we think that you know, we've found we think your
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Speaker 14: daughter has been murdered. Couldn't believe that it happened. I mean,
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Speaker 14: I still think she's alive, and I still think she'll
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Speaker 14: come to the house. She did sometimes unannounced. Had she'd
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Speaker 14: come for Christmas, she would still have been alive. But
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Speaker 14: as a police say, she was in the wrong place,
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Speaker 14: wrong time.
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Speaker 13: M H.
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Speaker 14: Obviously, when you die, you know this spirit leaves you.
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Speaker 14: And but she just wasn't Her body wasn't there, And
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Speaker 14: I think this was the coming to terms with you know,
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Speaker 14: where was the rest of her body? And I think
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Speaker 14: that's you know to think, you know, to never see
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Speaker 14: her again. A beautiful face now you never come to.
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Speaker 5: Terms with it. The police was soon convinced that Elizabeth
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Speaker 5: and Bridget were not the only women to die at
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Speaker 5: Hardy's hands. Anthony Hardy had been arrested for the bin
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Speaker 5: bag murders in Camden, but it wasn't the first time
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Speaker 5: he'd been in trouble with the police. Almost a year earlier,
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Speaker 5: in January two thousand and two, Sergeant Nick Spinks had
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Speaker 5: received a call from one of Hardy's neighbors.
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Speaker 15: He late ranks, so the front door had been coffeited,
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Speaker 15: so we went there and when we got there, we
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Speaker 15: went in and had a chat with her and reporting
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Speaker 15: the criminal damage. The graffiti appeared to have been signed
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Speaker 15: at the bottom with the letter T. Acid had been
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Speaker 15: pulled through the letter box and some of it had
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Speaker 15: been spilt on the outside, and the footprints led from
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Speaker 15: there straight to an address that we went and knocked
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Speaker 15: on the door of. And although I'm sure there was
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Speaker 15: somebody at the time that there was no answer to
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Speaker 15: the door when we knocked, And we went back to
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Speaker 15: the address an hour or two hours or so later
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Speaker 15: and knocked on the door again.
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Speaker 10: And after a.
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Speaker 15: Short while the door was answered by Tony Hardy. He
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Speaker 15: wasn't pleased to see us. We asked him a few
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Speaker 15: basic questions about the damage upstairs, and having denied it initially,
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Speaker 15: he admitted to it. It was a hands up effectively
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Speaker 15: as far as he was concerned to the criminal image.
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Speaker 15: The other bedroom was locked. When he was asked about
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Speaker 15: that room, he just said that it was a room
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Speaker 15: at a sublet to a lady who wasn't there, and
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Speaker 15: she locked the doors as she left it. We started
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Speaker 15: to pack up bits and pieces and take him out.
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Speaker 15: He did ask to wear an anak, which wasn't unreasonable
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Speaker 15: because it was cold. I searched it and in the
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Speaker 15: middle of the anrak, in the lining, I found a key.
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Speaker 15: The officer that was with me took the key Popper's curiosity.
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Speaker 15: He checked to see whether or not the key fitted
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Speaker 15: the door that we'd previously established belonged to a flatmate,
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Speaker 15: and sure enough it did.
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Speaker 10: The door was opened and looked into the bedroom.
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Speaker 15: And there was this naked corpse on the bed with
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Speaker 15: a towel over its head. So when I look back
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Speaker 15: at mister Hardy, he was sat down. He was sweating
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Speaker 15: profusely his mood had he denied or knowledge that he
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Speaker 15: knew anybody was in there, and at that point he
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Speaker 15: was arrested for murder.
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Speaker 7: The most striking thing about Sally was that on the
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Speaker 7: wall behind her was clearly blood on the wall, which
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Speaker 7: then came down the wall to where a head was
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Speaker 7: lain on the bed. But then we find some clothing
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Speaker 7: in the room as well, and that is Sally's clothing,
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Speaker 7: and that upper top has a hood on it, and
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Speaker 7: that hood has blood inside it where one would expect
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Speaker 7: to find blood if that hood was on Sallie's head
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Speaker 7: when the injury was caused. So I would deduce that
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Speaker 7: Sally was wearing that when the injury was caused, and
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Speaker 7: since death it's been removed from her. And I've merely
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Speaker 7: asked myself why.
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Speaker 5: To the police, the evidence seemed overwhelming. Sallie's body was
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Speaker 5: in a locked room and Hardy had hidden the key.
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Speaker 5: On the floor was a bucket of warm water and
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Speaker 5: a sponge. There was a bite mark on her right
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Speaker 5: thigh and police believe this was caused by Hardy. Blood
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Speaker 5: from her head wound covered the bed, and she appeared
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Speaker 5: to have been posed with her face covered The police
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Speaker 5: sent the body to pathologist doctor Freddy Patel for a
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Speaker 5: post mortem.
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Speaker 7: The cause of death was given as some coronary heart disease,
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Speaker 7: which is which we can refer to as natural causes,
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Speaker 7: certainly not suspicious, and so to that extent we were
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Speaker 7: told that there isn't a case for us to investigate.
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Speaker 5: Suspecting murder. The police took the rare step of requesting
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Speaker 5: a second post mortem. Once again, doctor Freddy Patel concluded
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Speaker 5: that death was by natural causes, adding that there were
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Speaker 5: no marks of violence. At the brief inquest and to
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Speaker 5: Sallie's death, the coroner stated that there was no evidence
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Speaker 5: of foul play or third part intervention. The police were
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Speaker 5: forced to drop the investigation.
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Speaker 6: Had the post mortem brought any other result than that
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Speaker 6: of natural causes, then of course all of those peculiarities
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Speaker 6: would have been pursued. He was dealt with for the
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Speaker 6: damage that had initially led the officers.
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Speaker 10: To his flat.
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Speaker 7: I get paid to investigate and explain deaths, suspicious deaths, murders,
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Speaker 7: not deaths by natural causes. All those decisions are important
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Speaker 7: decisions which are not made by me. They're made by yeah.
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Speaker 10: That's right, not made by me.
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Speaker 5: Hardy was returned to the care of Saint Luke's Mental
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Speaker 5: Hospital in North London and sectioned again under the Mental
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Speaker 5: Health Act.
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Speaker 17: Staff found him to be a model patient, charming, cooperative,
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Speaker 17: fully engaged in all aspects of his.
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Speaker 4: Care and treatment program.
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Speaker 10: And I think that was.
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Speaker 17: That for what we now know has ensued, that is
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Speaker 17: that is quite a surprise.
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Speaker 10: You know.
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Speaker 17: Staff have said to me that.
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Speaker 10: They find.
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Speaker 17: His presence to be one of kind of creepiness, kind
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Speaker 17: of a vague sense of evil and mistering, but charming,
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Speaker 17: cooperative and so on.
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Speaker 6: Nonetheless, as the investigation went on, we learned more about
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Speaker 6: his medical treatment and it became apparent that the consultant
26:15
Speaker 6: treating him believed that he was a danger to women
26:22
Speaker 6: and a danger to prostitute.
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Speaker 5: Hardy was regularly allowed to leave Saint Luke's on day release,
26:31
Speaker 5: unknown to the hospital. In August two thousand and two,
26:34
Speaker 5: he took a train out of London, raped a prostitute
26:37
Speaker 5: and was back before curfew.
26:41
Speaker 17: When a person does have day leave, this is specified
26:46
Speaker 17: in terms of what tunder person will leave the ward,
26:49
Speaker 17: where they will be going and what time they will
26:51
Speaker 17: be returning. Now, of course it is possible that an
26:55
Speaker 17: individual could choose to say, well, I'm not going to
26:59
Speaker 17: wear I said I was going jump on a train
27:02
Speaker 17: and go somewhere else. If we don't know, and we
27:06
Speaker 17: subsequently discover that we've been lied to, there's very little
27:09
Speaker 17: we can do about that.
27:12
Speaker 5: Hardy's doctors were concerned that he should not be released.
27:16
Speaker 5: His doctor at Saint Luke's, Ian Collis, gave six warnings
27:20
Speaker 5: that he was vulnerable to relapse, posed a high risk
27:23
Speaker 5: of violence, and that women and prostitutes are at particular risk.
27:29
Speaker 5: Doctor Collis knew that in nineteen eighty two, Hardy had
27:32
Speaker 5: frozen a bottle of water and clubbed his wife's head
27:35
Speaker 5: while she slept. He then dragged her to a bath
27:38
Speaker 5: and tried to drown her. For years after their divorce,
27:41
Speaker 5: he stalked her, hid microphones in her house, and told
27:45
Speaker 5: a psychiatrist that he wanted to kill her. More recently,
27:48
Speaker 5: there were numerous allegations by other women of sexual assaults, attacks,
27:53
Speaker 5: and a rape. Despite all this, Hardy's release was imminent.
27:59
Speaker 17: When someone was to attend under the Mental Health Act,
28:02
Speaker 17: they have a right of appeal. On the first occasion,
28:06
Speaker 17: around about May two thousand and two, there was a
28:08
Speaker 17: hearing and it was considered that sufficient improvement had not
28:13
Speaker 17: been made and there were still good grounds to continued detention.
28:18
Speaker 10: There was a later hearing in November.
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Speaker 17: An experienced panel of three heard and considered the appeal,
28:26
Speaker 17: and in this occasion they thought substantial improvement had been
28:29
Speaker 17: made sufficient to discharge him from Section of the Mental
28:35
Speaker 17: Health Act.
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Speaker 5: The panel concluded that while Hardy was mentally ill, he
28:40
Speaker 5: also had a natural human right to be treated in
28:44
Speaker 5: the surroundings, which will encourage and support his own efforts.
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Speaker 17: An opinion was asked for from the Forensic Mental Health Services,
28:55
Speaker 17: which was a fairly detailed account of the entire history
29:00
Speaker 17: of this man.
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Speaker 5: This detailed report on Hardy warned but he had an
29:04
Speaker 5: untreatable personality disorder, adding there is strong evidence of risk
29:08
Speaker 5: of reoffending and he's likely to cause others serious physical
29:12
Speaker 5: or psychological harm. But when the panel met to discuss
29:18
Speaker 5: Hardy's case, this report was lying unopened in the post room.
29:23
Speaker 5: It had been there for two days.
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Speaker 17: That report wasn't avilable for the managers in their hearing
29:32
Speaker 17: and it's questionable as to whether it would have made
29:35
Speaker 17: any particular difference.
29:38
Speaker 5: Hardy was released from Section on November fourth, the Mental
29:43
Speaker 5: Health Trust failed to tell the police that they'd let
29:46
Speaker 5: him out.
29:47
Speaker 9: Why did he come back here when he's had a
29:50
Speaker 9: dead woman in his house for so long?
29:52
Speaker 10: Web for him.
29:53
Speaker 11: Canton Council should be aware of their history, and if not,
29:57
Speaker 11: why not because they are living a monk next ordinary
30:01
Speaker 11: residents on the estate.
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Speaker 5: Over the next eight weeks, Hardy's behavior spiraled out of control.
30:11
Speaker 5: He kept his weekly appointments at Saint Luke's to collect medication,
30:14
Speaker 5: but he also went secretly to University College Hospital and
30:18
Speaker 5: was prescribed euprima, an alternative to viagra. He wrote to
30:23
Speaker 5: prostitutes asking for dominant sex, saying he was independently wealthy
30:27
Speaker 5: and looking for a special relationship, and he walked nearby
30:31
Speaker 5: King's Cross and picked women up on the streets.
30:35
Speaker 16: King's across the slime place. There's pimp, drug dealers, prostitutes. Ship.
30:41
Speaker 16: It's a ship place to be because when you go
30:44
Speaker 16: with a punter, you only got to watch yourself. With
30:46
Speaker 16: a potter, you've got what's the drug dealers with the
30:49
Speaker 16: other girls? Ships across a ship. Be some right freaks
30:54
Speaker 16: out there, total freaks. Be you she keep it sack.
31:07
Speaker 5: He was seen around Camden taking pictures of women in
31:10
Speaker 5: bars and licking the sofas, saying he liked the leather.
31:14
Speaker 5: He watched videos of simulated rapes and advertised for a
31:18
Speaker 5: female lodger. In mid December, he traveled to the Midlands
31:23
Speaker 5: to be massaged by a woman called Sarah, who says
31:26
Speaker 5: he raped her.
31:28
Speaker 3: As he was raping me.
31:29
Speaker 13: He was crushing me and stopping me to breathe wheezing
31:33
Speaker 13: all of the air out on me. His whole chest
31:36
Speaker 13: was pushing, pushed. It is getting up from the fact
31:39
Speaker 13: that he was trying to kill me, but at that
31:42
Speaker 13: point ejaculation his eyes something I cannot describe the look
31:48
Speaker 13: in that guy's eyes. I knew if I didn't move
31:51
Speaker 13: that second, I'll be dead.
31:54
Speaker 5: Five days later, Elizabeth Velad's boyfriend Neville, saw her for
31:57
Speaker 5: the last time on the streets of King's Crow.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and this was getting board. She said to me,
32:03
Speaker 3: I'll only be a man. I'm just going to pop
32:05
Speaker 3: it down to the crosscoat shop to mind myself. A
32:07
Speaker 3: drig said, okay, I'll be here, so she went. As
32:13
Speaker 3: they waiting half an hour forty five minutes, she let
32:17
Speaker 3: me return.
32:20
Speaker 10: If I had gone to the shop with her.
32:22
Speaker 3: She if I would be a lack today, the man
32:24
Speaker 3: that killed her, I was responsible for her left, would
32:26
Speaker 3: never approached her.
32:29
Speaker 5: In late December, Hardy went to church with a key
32:32
Speaker 5: around his neck and asked people to pray for his
32:34
Speaker 5: immortal soul. He prayed intensely, with a former rector saying
32:39
Speaker 5: a lady friend had recently died. The rector described him
32:43
Speaker 5: as being at emotional rock bottom. On Christmas Eve, with
32:48
Speaker 5: the body of Elizabeth Valad still inside, Hardy invited Bridget
32:52
Speaker 5: McLennan to his flat to have sex at eight forty
32:55
Speaker 5: five pm. She was never seen alive again. Late at
33:02
Speaker 5: night over Christmas, he was seen carrying bags around the
33:05
Speaker 5: estate and muttering to himself. Screams were heard inside the block.
33:10
Speaker 5: Neighbors heard drilling and thought he was doing DIY. He
33:15
Speaker 5: left his windows wide open and passers by could smell incense.
33:20
Speaker 11: Goodness knows what he was doing. I mean, you know,
33:23
Speaker 11: I just imagine now, I can imagine all sorts of things,
33:26
Speaker 11: you know, And that.
33:27
Speaker 9: Was even weird. And when you see him sitting on
33:28
Speaker 9: the bench out over the road there just in a
33:30
Speaker 9: day dream, staring his own flat as it was frightened
33:32
Speaker 9: to go back into his flat every time the dog
33:36
Speaker 9: out of the dog was pulling me towards East Street door.
33:39
Speaker 9: So something was wrong there. But when I realized that
33:42
Speaker 9: the old police and everything had been around there, and
33:45
Speaker 9: I realized what she must have been smelling must have
33:50
Speaker 9: been the stench coming out of there, I couldn't smell it.
34:12
Speaker 17: If anybody had said to me that this man was dangerous,
34:16
Speaker 17: then I'm fairly clear lots of other people would have
34:19
Speaker 17: known as well, and steps would have been taken to
34:24
Speaker 17: deal with that. We cannot detain people under the Mental
34:30
Speaker 17: Health Act because of supposed dangerouness when there isn't the
34:35
Speaker 17: evidence there to support it. This is such a rare
34:40
Speaker 17: occurrence where there were not the predictors of the sort
34:47
Speaker 17: of tragic and horrendous outcomes that have ensued.
34:52
Speaker 8: It's said that most of these people have got a
34:54
Speaker 8: cry for help or something, and they should be I'm
34:57
Speaker 8: not saying it should be locked up, but there should
34:58
Speaker 8: be you know, accounts or whatever. I would look after
35:01
Speaker 8: him and make sure that it is social work or
35:03
Speaker 8: what comes a visit them properly.
35:06
Speaker 17: I think the care was comprehensive, It was well planned,
35:09
Speaker 17: it was multi agency.
35:13
Speaker 14: It was.
35:15
Speaker 17: Thorough and the one bit of it that probably was
35:19
Speaker 17: missing was the inactive involvement of the person. We can
35:30
Speaker 17: only work effectively with someone where there is very clear
35:34
Speaker 17: honesty and we rely on that.
35:37
Speaker 10: You do not have to say.
35:39
Speaker 5: The police were hoping that, when confronted with the evidence,
35:42
Speaker 5: Hardy would be more forthcoming about his actions and motives.
35:47
Speaker 5: The police were given seventy two hours to interview Hardy.
35:53
Speaker 5: He was legally entitled to refuse to answer any questions,
35:57
Speaker 5: but police hoped that the right approach would trigger him
35:59
Speaker 5: into talking.
36:02
Speaker 7: Well, the important thing is that I've got to come
36:05
Speaker 7: across as a person who's confident, a man that knows
36:10
Speaker 7: that you know that I know that you know I
36:13
Speaker 7: know everything about you. And it suggested that if I
36:17
Speaker 7: got to a position that he believed that I knew everything.
36:22
Speaker 10: About him, then he would probably talk to me as
36:27
Speaker 10: a green pink.
36:28
Speaker 7: Even the black lean on it exactly the same as
36:30
Speaker 7: the one behind the pub.
36:32
Speaker 10: Do you know that been at all?
36:34
Speaker 7: No comed have you ever used that being Tony's no comment,
36:37
Speaker 7: you ever gone to that.
36:38
Speaker 10: Bin at all? No coint they ever put any rubbish
36:41
Speaker 10: in it? No, would never taken ay rubbish out no comed.
36:49
Speaker 7: Maybe that I didn't give that confident approach to him.
36:52
Speaker 7: Maybe I didn't tell myself as someone that knew that
36:56
Speaker 7: he knew that I knew everything about him. But it
37:00
Speaker 7: may just be that he wasn't going to speak to
37:02
Speaker 7: any In any case, the sort of scent in the
37:06
Speaker 7: house which I believe him jostis burning of Jostis?
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Speaker 10: Is that that part of what you like doing no comment?
37:16
Speaker 7: Because I suggest, I think i'm writing doing this, that
37:20
Speaker 7: the ejostics, the burning of the sense would have been
37:22
Speaker 7: to mask the smell, the smell of the body that
37:28
Speaker 7: was in your bedroom town.
37:34
Speaker 10: Do you know anything about.
37:35
Speaker 7: Justics burning to mask the smell of the body in
37:37
Speaker 7: your bedroom coming no comment.
37:42
Speaker 6: I think he probably would have enjoyed a verbal exchange,
37:46
Speaker 6: a spa, a verbal spa with either one of the
37:49
Speaker 6: interviewing teams. You know, he he had a solicitor present,
37:54
Speaker 6: And I don't blame the solicitor at all, who had
37:58
Speaker 6: given him her view and her advice, which was to
38:02
Speaker 6: say nothing.
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Speaker 19: If you have someone who is being vigorously advised to
38:07
Speaker 19: the no comment strategy is their best strategy, and interventions
38:12
Speaker 19: such as my advice to you as my client would
38:16
Speaker 19: be not to It is your decision. If you're having
38:19
Speaker 19: that at every turn, there no amount of interview strategy
38:23
Speaker 19: is going to overcome that.
38:25
Speaker 7: But then if you start throwing fact fact fact fact
38:29
Speaker 7: at people and they make no comment, they're also giving
38:35
Speaker 7: up the opportunity to explain it away. And that's what
38:39
Speaker 7: I wanted to do so many times to mister Hardy.
38:42
Speaker 7: This is a fact. Mister Hardy, please if you can,
38:46
Speaker 7: if you want to explain it away. And he never did,
38:50
Speaker 7: never gave me one explanation for any of those facts
38:55
Speaker 7: that I put to him.
38:56
Speaker 19: We're going to moot the possibility to get some sort
38:59
Speaker 19: of reaction that might just result in him saying something
39:05
Speaker 19: other than unhelpfully new comment. New comment was to present
39:11
Speaker 19: materials such as various pictures that were put there which
39:14
Speaker 19: didn't phase him in the least, but for most people
39:17
Speaker 19: would have been a warrant.
39:22
Speaker 7: And I'd like you to talk me through these exhibits
39:25
Speaker 7: that I'm going to show you.
39:28
Speaker 10: And tell me if they do anything for you, if
39:31
Speaker 10: you're interested at.
39:32
Speaker 7: All in like that, For instance, what's that to do with you,
39:38
Speaker 7: mister Hardy, No comment, that's the Red Devil's.
39:43
Speaker 5: Mass On the second day of interviews, the police received
39:46
Speaker 5: two roles of film that Hardy had had processed while
39:49
Speaker 5: on the run.
39:50
Speaker 7: And we can see that blue wall and the bed
39:54
Speaker 7: in the background that mister Hardy is your flat.
39:57
Speaker 10: Isn't it?
39:58
Speaker 19: No comment?
39:59
Speaker 7: That's mister Hardy is the dead lady, the corpse of
40:03
Speaker 7: which we found in your bedroom, mister hard isn't it.
40:06
Speaker 6: What we were looking at were our victims posed in
40:11
Speaker 6: the most ghastly way imaginable and it could only have
40:16
Speaker 6: been by our suspect.
40:20
Speaker 2: Shot around the corner. Said he could come around and
40:22
Speaker 2: get these film processes to hear because they got some
40:28
Speaker 2: adult material on it. So I said, as long as
40:31
Speaker 2: it's to consent in adult something we can do. So
40:38
Speaker 2: I think it was to all of the film he
40:40
Speaker 2: gave me, which he wanted it Pretty quickly.
40:46
Speaker 6: I was looking at forty plus images of two women,
40:54
Speaker 6: Elizabeth Fallad and Bridget McLennan, posing pornographically. The pathologists confirmed that,
41:01
Speaker 6: in his opinion, the two women in the photographs were.
41:07
Speaker 5: Dead, just as with Sally rose Wide a year earlier.
41:14
Speaker 5: Hardy had covered the women's faces, this time with his
41:17
Speaker 5: baseball cap and a devil's mask. This also disguised the
41:21
Speaker 5: fact that they were dead.
41:23
Speaker 7: And not only do we have a mask on her,
41:25
Speaker 7: mister Hardy, we've got a dial dorn out of the vagina.
41:28
Speaker 10: What's that do for you, mister Hardy? How was a
41:30
Speaker 10: good look?
41:31
Speaker 5: The discovery of Hardy's photographs was a breakthrough for the police,
41:35
Speaker 5: and they hope that confronting him with them would finally
41:37
Speaker 5: persuade him to talk.
41:40
Speaker 7: Comm Do you recognize this as your bedroom?
41:44
Speaker 10: No comment?
41:45
Speaker 7: Okay, let's look at this one. Then it's the same lady.
41:50
Speaker 7: What have we got on that lady's head, mister Hardy?
41:53
Speaker 10: What can you see? No comment?
41:56
Speaker 7: We can see a baseball cap. Your baseball cap, the
41:59
Speaker 7: one that you were wearing when you were arrested on money.
42:03
Speaker 19: They showed the victim in pornographic poses in various ways.
42:07
Speaker 19: The face was covered up. You cover up the victim's
42:12
Speaker 19: face in whatever way you want, because then you can
42:15
Speaker 19: make that victim anyone, any girl you see walking down
42:18
Speaker 19: the street, and you can then get the picture out
42:20
Speaker 19: when you get back home, that is that girl now,
42:23
Speaker 19: and you can anonymize the face, and it becomes a
42:25
Speaker 19: very versatile vehicle for masturbatory fantasy. That they don't want
42:32
Speaker 19: to look at the face afterwards. The face means I
42:35
Speaker 19: haven't won. All I want to see is the defeated corpse.
42:39
Speaker 19: And if the face is still looking back at me,
42:41
Speaker 19: that identity still exists.
42:45
Speaker 7: If I'm now showing in photographs of girls that we
42:49
Speaker 7: have now found dead and cut up, I want him
42:52
Speaker 7: to know that I know that these girls were actually
42:55
Speaker 7: in his premises beforehand, and I'm sure to him that
43:02
Speaker 7: this is overwhelming evidence against him, and that might just
43:06
Speaker 7: be what we need for him to talk to me
43:08
Speaker 7: and tell me the truth. His reaction to the photographs
43:12
Speaker 7: was bland. Their reaction at all. Yesterday and the day before,
43:20
Speaker 7: you'll recall that I made a plea and so did
43:23
Speaker 7: DC Baker passionate plea to you.
43:26
Speaker 6: The one thing that I had asked Alan to do
43:29
Speaker 6: was to try to get him to tell us where
43:33
Speaker 6: we could find some of the missing body parts.
43:37
Speaker 10: Can you help me with that, please?
43:40
Speaker 15: Hi?
43:41
Speaker 6: Comment after one of the interviews, Alan Bostock said, look,
43:46
Speaker 6: what have you done with these body parts? And Hardy's response,
43:50
Speaker 6: as I remember it, was almost sort of again fairly nonchalant,
43:53
Speaker 6: and he said worse to the effect of, well, I'm
43:57
Speaker 6: sorry Alan, but I can't remember because I was so drunk.
44:01
Speaker 10: Well, I fear the questions.
44:02
Speaker 7: We have to put you today are coming to an end,
44:05
Speaker 7: and I'm going to end with that impassionate plea again,
44:07
Speaker 7: mister Hardy.
44:09
Speaker 10: You're the only person I believe that knows.
44:11
Speaker 7: Where those heads and hands are. Your opportunity, Please to
44:15
Speaker 7: tell me now so I can recover them for the family.
44:20
Speaker 10: Not for me, mister Hardy, What can you do for me?
44:27
Speaker 2: No time.
44:30
Speaker 7: I would have felt it a sense of achievement. If
44:34
Speaker 7: I could have just got that from him, just where
44:37
Speaker 7: the heads and hands are, that, I'd have been happy.
44:44
Speaker 13: No.
44:49
Speaker 5: On the first day of his trial, Anthony Hardy pleaded
44:52
Speaker 5: guilty to all three murders and was given three life sentences.
44:57
Speaker 5: The Strategic Health Authority launched inquiry into why he was
45:01
Speaker 5: released from hospital, and the police are investigating Hardy's activities
45:05
Speaker 5: over the past twenty years. They're also examining the DNA
45:10
Speaker 5: of another unidentified woman that was found in his flat.
45:15
Speaker 5: Hardy is still refusing to answer any police questions.
45:20
Speaker 19: I'd be surprised if he gave a complete, full and
45:24
Speaker 19: frank account of his motivations.
45:28
Speaker 4: Let him mean, it's not there.
45:29
Speaker 19: It means that he won't be wanting to tell us.
45:32
Speaker 14: I think I feel very angry. You know that this
45:36
Speaker 14: man who was obviously a very highly dangerous man was
45:40
Speaker 14: allowed to be considered to be okay, not bad, not bad,
45:47
Speaker 14: and he is allowed out of the mental hospital.
45:51
Speaker 7: I don't know how these people feel, what makes them
45:54
Speaker 7: work or makes them tick, or what the pleasure is
45:57
Speaker 7: they derive from it, So I can't actually go there.
46:00
Speaker 10: Well I can do is stand bank. So I just
46:01
Speaker 10: don't understand how people can do that.
46:05
Speaker 17: It's possible that, certainly distinctly likely, that we didn't know
46:11
Speaker 17: the whole picture. There wasn't the full sharing of what
46:14
Speaker 17: was going on.
46:29
Speaker 16: Next.
46:29
Speaker 19: The Austrian man who, after killing once became a literary
46:32
Speaker 19: sensation as he served his time, but after his release
46:35
Speaker 19: he went back on a murder spree. Jack unter Vega,
46:38
Speaker 19: the poet of death, straight after the break