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Andor S2E10-12 Review CCXXXX · Star Wars Alliance

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Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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Speaker 2: It has been a while.
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Speaker 3: We greatly apologize.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some technical difficulties last Saturday, and so
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Speaker 2: we couldn't do our and or finale review. We are
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Speaker 2: doing that today. Of course I'm here with Katie like always, Katie,
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Speaker 2: how you doing.
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Speaker 3: It's been a hot mess, guys. I was sick last week.
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Speaker 3: Hint why there was no valiant vow on Thursday because
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Speaker 3: I could not even function. Somehow I was the only
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Speaker 3: one in my family to get it that bad. As
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Speaker 3: pretty usual. But then, yeah, we had technical difficulties. Stream
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Speaker 3: Yard was having a bug and somebody forgot and it
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Speaker 3: wasn't one of us. We were like, snow heads are
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Speaker 3: the phone. So yeah, we apologize, and obviously we have
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Speaker 3: not really been back on social media, so I was
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Speaker 3: like posting in a bunch of places like hey, if
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Speaker 3: you follow me for this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, but we're here. We're here, and we
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Speaker 2: are going to be of course talking about episodes ten, eleven,
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Speaker 2: and twelve of and or season two, the finale episodes,
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Speaker 2: and then uh coming next week we will have our
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Speaker 2: regular scheduled programming so fun stuff.
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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I'm excited to talk about these.
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Speaker 2: We have this entire season talked about other than last
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Speaker 2: group of episodes. We talked about character arcs, and I
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Speaker 2: think with this, I think this almost like it does
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Speaker 2: it at the same time. It's like episodic but also
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Speaker 2: character driven for each episode. Yeah, finale is really what
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Speaker 2: kind of brings everything together that last episode. But how
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Speaker 2: do you want to go about doing this?
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Speaker 3: I would say we gotta go episode by episode again
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Speaker 3: and kind of go from there because realistically, again, guys,
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Speaker 3: all the same arc. We're getting one complete story here,
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Speaker 3: but for the first time, we have an episode that
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Speaker 3: doesn't have Cassian and doesn't have my Mathma in it,
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Speaker 3: and we just have Luthen and Clia. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 3: think we need to go ahead and get this out
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Speaker 3: of the way now because I saw it a lot
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Speaker 3: last week. But I think it's important that we go
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Speaker 3: ahead and talk about it now. The show's name is
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Speaker 3: and Or. How do you have an episode without and Or?
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Speaker 2: I okay, so I get what. I get what you're
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Speaker 2: saying I do, And honestly, this might be a hot
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Speaker 2: take from somebody who actually really enjoyed the episode.
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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode two, but
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Speaker 3: this is talked about throughout. Yes, the name of the
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Speaker 3: show is and Or, and for me and a lot
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Speaker 3: of other people, if you put the title character, if
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Speaker 3: the title of the show is a character, then that
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Speaker 3: character needs to be the star.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll go as far as and This is again
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Speaker 2: might be wild to some people. This is an episode
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Speaker 2: we technically didn't need.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I wouldn't go that far. Actually, really, I
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Speaker 3: would say the bad story is needed. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if I would have rather had it in other episodes
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Speaker 3: like Sprinkled in mm hmm, or if I would have
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Speaker 3: rather had this in season one. Though, I do feel
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Speaker 3: like the flash fit here because Clia is struggling with
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Speaker 3: her relationship and coming to terms with the fact that
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Speaker 3: basically she has to kill Lufan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like she her her quote unquote father figure, and
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Speaker 2: I want to I want to talk about that. So
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Speaker 2: of course the flashback is that she I can't remember
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Speaker 2: which planet they were on.
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Speaker 3: They didn't really say which planet they were on, Okay,
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Speaker 3: because I really, yes, I really thought that we were
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Speaker 3: about to like this, like Luthen was going to be
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Speaker 3: scavenging on the same planet as Cassian and Clia. It
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Speaker 3: was about to be revealed that Clia was and or
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Speaker 3: her sister.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I can see that. I can see that,
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Speaker 2: but uh we get we see that she's a refugee
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Speaker 2: on this ship. He hides her when he's very very young.
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Speaker 2: And then the next flashback we see is them probably
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Speaker 2: a couple of years later, and they're trying to sell
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Speaker 2: off some goods to get some credits, and you know,
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Speaker 2: the person selling is like, oh, is that your daughter?
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Speaker 2: And he said yes. And then after that interaction she says, oh,
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Speaker 2: am I your daughter and he said when you need
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Speaker 2: to be Yeah, that is fucking toxic as hell, but
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Speaker 2: that is that is the person Luthan is. Yep, from
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Speaker 2: the very start of the show, he only gets what
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Speaker 2: he wants. He doesn't really care about anybody else, and
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Speaker 2: to the very end, like there's a sense of like.
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Speaker 2: And this is why I have such a love hate
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Speaker 2: relationship with Luthan. Luthan literally is like the almost politically
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Speaker 2: correct version of Sagerera. Like we've had we've had these
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Speaker 2: conversations about how similar they are, and over the years,
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Speaker 2: Saw will fight the good fight, but he loses his
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Speaker 2: humanity doing so m hm. Same thing with Luthan, but
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Speaker 2: he is a face in the center of it all
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Speaker 2: here on chorusot so like I like, I have this
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Speaker 2: love hate relationship with him because he is here for
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Speaker 2: the rebellion, but he's just such a cold person.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't keep me wrong. We've seen clear instances
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Speaker 3: where Luthn's coldness clearly worked out for the benefit of everybody,
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Speaker 3: and honestly, Luthen being cold to Lannie in the beginning
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Speaker 3: of this episode talking about episode not episode ten, excuse me,
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Speaker 3: make it stop, Lonnie comes to him and is like, hey,
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Speaker 3: they're building a death star. I figured out what they're doing. So,
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Speaker 3: like in the trailer we see Clea yelling at Cassie
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Speaker 3: and like it's a weapon, Like that's what she's doing.
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Speaker 3: We thought she was yelling it to Luthen and she
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Speaker 3: was the one who was reporting it. No, Lonnie actually
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Speaker 3: figures it out because does he uses Deadro's coat cylinder.
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Speaker 3: This is probably the biggest plot hole esque to be
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Speaker 3: in the entire season.
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Speaker 2: It well, because it's out of nowhere, of course, like
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Speaker 2: you you have like, well, actually not only think about it.
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Speaker 2: The time between episode nine and episode ten.
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Speaker 3: It's a year one, yeah, Okay, Now I don't know
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Speaker 3: if it's like exactly a year.
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Speaker 2: To be yeah, yeah, I think in order for this
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Speaker 2: to feel organic, we needed more scenes with Lannie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And this comes to the idea of like, we probably
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Speaker 2: would have gotten that if we gotten all eight seasons
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Speaker 2: or five seasons whatever. Yeah, all five seasons.
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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we're gonna hit our first ad break
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Speaker 3: and we will be right back in three two one.
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Speaker 3: And that's where it's the big struggle, right is because
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Speaker 3: I say plot hole, it's not technically a plot hole.
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Speaker 3: It just cut like you said, it comes out of
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Speaker 3: nowhere and you're like, okay, what was cut here? Because
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Speaker 3: was there something cut here? Because he says he's had
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Speaker 3: Detri's code cylinder for a while, but he didn't want
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Speaker 3: to reveal it to Luthan because Luthen would have been like, oh,
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Speaker 3: let's take advantage of that now, and Lonnie wanted to
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Speaker 3: wait until he figured out the right time. The problem
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Speaker 3: is is that Lonnie has Lonnie has never really wanted
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Speaker 3: it to be quick the right time, Like he's always hesitant.
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Speaker 3: He always waits till the last minute. And I mean
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Speaker 3: that's what he does here. But like he we have
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Speaker 3: clearly should scene, especially with that scene with him, and
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Speaker 3: clear with the bug in Scolden's Gallery in particular, that
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Speaker 3: he doesn't have the guts it takes to stand up
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Speaker 3: and do something on his own, which is what he's
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Speaker 3: done here.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, but also I do want to I will
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Speaker 2: be a little bit of Devil's advocate for Lonnie. He
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Speaker 2: has seemingly been able throughout this season, been able to
11:27
Speaker 2: be in the right place at the right time for
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Speaker 2: said information, whether that be for an actual meeting that
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Speaker 2: he was a part of, or just for the fact
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Speaker 2: that like, uh, when him and I can't remember the
11:43
Speaker 2: other guy were stopped by Pader Gats right, Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: like they when when he was like, oh, hold your
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Speaker 2: enthusiasm or something like that. You know, just you know,
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Speaker 2: it's not like he's eavesdropping. He's literally been given the information.
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Speaker 2: No what I'm not.
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Speaker 3: Saying that, it's just like it feels like this is
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Speaker 3: the first place where I feel like there's more information
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Speaker 3: that needed to be had.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I I get you. And that's why
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Speaker 2: I said I do feel like it came out of nowhere.
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Speaker 2: I think that there needed to be a little bit
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Speaker 2: more seeds or crumbs placed throughout the season to show
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Speaker 2: Lonnie's I guess, uh uh or flexibility, but it's it's
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Speaker 2: one of those. And here I will say this, there
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Speaker 2: was a part of me that was like, again, this
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Speaker 2: is my fault for always wanting that happy ending in
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Speaker 2: Star Wars. I was like, wow, like Luthen is actually
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Speaker 2: gonna do something good.
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Speaker 3: No, as soon as Lonnie goes, I will tell you
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Speaker 3: what I have, but you need to get my family out,
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Speaker 3: like we need to be on the next so ship
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Speaker 3: out of here.
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Speaker 2: I I was thinking, Oh, he's gonna help him, And
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Speaker 2: then the longer the conversation went, I'm like, oh, he's dead,
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Speaker 2: but they're going to show him helping the family. No,
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Speaker 2: not even that.
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Speaker 3: No, Lutheran couldn't even stand to destroy his rebellion archive.
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Speaker 3: Like he literally sits there and is like slowly pouring
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Speaker 3: and then he stops when he sees deader at the
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Speaker 3: front door and just puts it down. And I'm like, no, dude, like,
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 2: Pull the rest on there and then walk out there.
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Speaker 2: You know. But I really like the because I literally
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Speaker 2: have it paused right at this moment when the audience
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Speaker 2: realizes Lannie's dead is it's when the camera is really
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Speaker 2: low to the water and it's kind of all far
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Speaker 2: off in the distance and you just see this body
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Speaker 2: slumped over and you're just like, oh no, and you're right,
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Speaker 2: you kind of have to see that this is how
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Speaker 2: it was always going to be. Luthen has such a
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Speaker 2: hate for the Empire that he and again he's the
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Speaker 2: kind of person that will always just use whoever he
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Speaker 2: needs to use, which I will say he did the
14:48
Speaker 2: same thing to Cleia, but he knew, hey, she's going
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Speaker 2: to survive, She's going to be the one to tell
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Speaker 2: the rebellion about this, and I'm going to get caught
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna die. Because I genuinely believe he wanted
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Speaker 2: to destroy the evidence because he knew, hey, there's not
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Speaker 2: gonna be enough time. I have to like hold them back,
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Speaker 2: you know, That's what I think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, but like he also didn't
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Speaker 3: hold anybody back. Like that's the That's the thing that
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Speaker 3: pisses me off the most is it's like, Okay, if
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Speaker 3: you want to sacrifice yourself, fine, and you you have
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Speaker 3: a more of a father daughter relationship with Clia and
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Speaker 3: you want to see her get out alive. That's fine,
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Speaker 3: but like put some effort into it, because his inability
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Speaker 3: to acid the rest of the communication array almost gets
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Speaker 3: Claya cut like like, and I know he's not around
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Speaker 3: to see that. Don't get me wrong. It's just super
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Speaker 3: frustrating because you definitely see that spark where he's like,
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Speaker 3: I want to die for the rebellion. I want Clay
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Speaker 3: to get out alive, like this is my grand purpose here. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and he doesn't even know enough to like where to
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Speaker 3: stab himself.
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Speaker 2: Like that. I'm not entirely sure if like the stabbing
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Speaker 2: is the way I would have done it as far
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Speaker 2: as like me being like the director here, like, but
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Speaker 2: I also don't, like we've only seen well, no, we
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Speaker 2: have seen. We have seen him in like a small
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Speaker 2: like spacecraft battle in season one, so we know that
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Speaker 2: he's not afraid to pull the trigger on a blaster.
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Speaker 2: You would think so, like, I don't know. I also
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Speaker 2: think that because it was with Dedra, like she had
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Speaker 2: to make it out alive, so like it needed to
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Speaker 2: be self inflicting.
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Speaker 3: And I get self inflicting and I get it's all
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Speaker 3: for the story, but like you stab yourself in the stomach, Like,
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Speaker 3: wouldn't it make more sense to like go for the
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Speaker 3: jugular and then also pull the knife out, Like everybody
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Speaker 3: knows you don't pull the knife out of a person
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Speaker 3: who's been stabbed because you want them to survive and
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Speaker 3: you want but like if you pull it out, blood.
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Speaker 2: Flow, like, well, no, that's what Luthen did.
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Speaker 3: Luthen pulled it Did he pull it out? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how That's how Deda knows that something
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Speaker 2: went wrong, is because he pulls it out and it's
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Speaker 2: all bloody, and that's when she calls the rest of ISBN.
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Speaker 2: You're right, And I I really liked the rest of
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Speaker 2: this episode with the flashbacks with Clia, and also I
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Speaker 2: think one of my favorite parts is getting this like
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Speaker 2: small sense of like Dedra's about to get her come
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Speaker 2: up and because she's doing all of this on her own.
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Speaker 3: That's so funny to me. And I know this is
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Speaker 3: giving ahead, but the fact that she ends up in
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Speaker 3: Narquita hysterical, hysterical. Did you notice we went back to
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Speaker 3: Naboo for one of them?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Now a lot of time has passed, guys, Again,
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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't have seen this when we actually were
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Speaker 2: supposed to record, but because a whole week has gone by,
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Speaker 2: I saw somebody say that, uh, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: if it's entirely true that the only reason why they
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Speaker 2: had this scene in here was, uh that Lutheran was
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Speaker 2: wanting to bomb Palpatine's home planet.
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Speaker 3: I could see it. I mean, he knows who the
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Speaker 3: emperor is, like everybody knows Palpatine became the Emperor. I
19:27
Speaker 3: could totally see that as like a headcanon thing. I
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Speaker 3: mean there's nothing in there that says like, oh, this
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Speaker 3: is why we're doing this. Yeah, but I can totally
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Speaker 3: see that. I'm looking at the Wikipedia summary that's what
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Speaker 3: I have up, guys, and it says that he's an imperial,
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Speaker 3: Like he defects from his unit as an Imperial soldier
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Speaker 3: after his unit massacred Clay's hometown. So there's no like
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Speaker 3: planet information here or anything. I I didn't think the
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Speaker 3: unit that he was with was imperial. There's no indication
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Speaker 3: that it's an imperial unit. Would you say, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: go into our second ad break and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm actually looking at like the costume design and
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Speaker 2: everything is so off, like there's there's nothing that really
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Speaker 2: would tell you other than the fact that if you
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Speaker 2: have subtitles on it says soldier one soldier too. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but that could mean anything. There's no I'm even looking
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Speaker 2: at Lutheran's jacket, like there's no insignia as, there's no nothing,
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just like Wikipedia has it. But it's it's
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Speaker 3: strange to like I would think that they would dress
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Speaker 3: him more appropriately for the Empire if they wanted people
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Speaker 3: to recognize that, because I just thought it was again
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Speaker 3: something like what's her name, Cassian's adopted mom, Like he
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Speaker 3: was scavenging with people.
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Speaker 2: Oh, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about, though, Like, yeah, it
21:34
Speaker 3: looked like they were just there. They could have been
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Speaker 3: a part of any military because he is called sergeant,
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Speaker 3: so I had like, there is that military rank there
21:42
Speaker 3: as well aslong with the soldier part of it. But
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Speaker 3: it's like, there's nothing obvious, and I know that Gilroy
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Speaker 3: has made it appropriate like for where we have to
21:55
Speaker 3: go in and dig for things, but there's also been
21:57
Speaker 3: some obvious connections.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, so did you happen to catch uh.
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Speaker 2: This is confirmed by Star Wars dot com. What. Uh
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Speaker 2: the name of the.
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Speaker 3: Hospital is, Yes, the Lina Soaul Hospital. I had seen
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Speaker 3: that on other things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lina Medical Center I thought was really cool.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked that connection a lot. Connor Williams Hello,
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Speaker 3: Connor says, apparently that flashback on Naboot occurred in nineteen BBY,
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Speaker 3: which is the first year of the Empire. I think
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Speaker 3: Luthan was there for a Republic sergeant when the Republic
22:51
Speaker 3: transitioned to the Empire.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
22:53
Speaker 3: See, this is what I was thinking, Like there was
22:56
Speaker 3: like we were already headed to Republic. I don't know
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Speaker 3: precisely about that flashback time period, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Speaker 3: It has passed some time. Yeah, since clear was adopted.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so Wikipedia has him deserting
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Speaker 5: an eighteen bby, So that time period may not be
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Speaker 5: completely accurate, but.
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Speaker 3: Good point up at least, because that's what I was thinking. Sorry, Clay, Well.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because there's still the uh from the moment she
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Speaker 6: is actually picked up like in the ship hiding mm to.
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Speaker 2: Even the moment where uh she witnesses the public execution.
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Speaker 2: H that feels like a large amount of time has passed. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and then from there to when they're on Naboo. I
24:16
Speaker 2: feel like it's a significant amount of time because they
24:22
Speaker 2: know each other. They're like you can tell by the
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Speaker 2: real by the conversation that's going on, Oh why are
24:28
Speaker 2: you doing this? You always do this, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Like there, it feels like significant time has passed, So
24:39
Speaker 2: I would be interested to see if there's actually a
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Speaker 2: confirmation on that timeline. How did you feel about the
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Speaker 2: Medical Center infiltration from Claya?
24:51
Speaker 3: I love this. I love Claya so much. She's special
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Speaker 3: and I love what I think her name is. Elizabeth
25:02
Speaker 3: has been able to do with her as a character,
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Speaker 3: So I would love to see if maybe Claia popped
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Speaker 3: up later on. I just love her and she's just amazing.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, the infiltration was a lot of fun. It
25:28
Speaker 3: was definitely a lot of like like moments where it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: she about to get caught kind of thing. How do
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Speaker 3: you feel about it?
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Speaker 2: I really like this. It was intense. It was like,
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Speaker 2: for one, I was not sure if she was actually
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Speaker 2: gonna be able to make it all the way up there.
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, when I when I when it first started,
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she's gonna get up there with
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Speaker 2: no problem. I don't know how I feel about that,
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Speaker 2: But when you actually see the imperial soldier like he
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Speaker 2: hears something and then you just see him like like
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Speaker 2: swivel on one foot and be like, hey, you can't
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Speaker 2: be here. For the fact that like she's hiding the
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Speaker 2: blaster under this like little like notepad or whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool, being very sneaky about
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Speaker 2: it and everything else, and even the bomb. I love
26:28
Speaker 2: the transition from that scene to the flashback to her
26:32
Speaker 2: actually executing the bomb. I thought that was very very cool,
26:40
Speaker 2: and then how deadly she gets when she is actually
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Speaker 2: like walking with a purpose and like shooting the stormtrooper
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Speaker 2: in the head and shooting the other soldier. And then
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Speaker 2: I love how as soon as she walks into the
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Speaker 2: room with Luthen, all the sound just immediately stops. Everything
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Speaker 2: is quiet. I love that transition.
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Speaker 3: Because it gives you that peaceful moment with Luvin where
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Speaker 3: she comes to like obviously she's come to terms with
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Speaker 3: it and she knows what she has to do, because
27:16
Speaker 3: this death for Luthan is a lot better than what
27:19
Speaker 3: he could get at the hands of the Empire, and
27:22
Speaker 3: so it is a mercy killing in this instance, but
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Speaker 3: it still sucks because that's your father figure right there.
27:30
Speaker 2: M connor is saying, I thought it was really cool
27:36
Speaker 2: that in the subtitles or if you're able to catch
27:39
Speaker 2: it from actual ear, you can overhear the hospital staff
27:44
Speaker 2: talking about the isb locking down the critical care unit
27:47
Speaker 2: and that it may be because Senator is injured. He says,
27:51
Speaker 2: it's little details like that which really elevate the show
27:55
Speaker 2: and makes it feel so tactical and tangible. I like
27:58
Speaker 2: this as well. You're immersed into the world, and I
28:04
Speaker 2: think that and Or did a very good job at
28:08
Speaker 2: that with every single setting, with the flashback of like
28:16
Speaker 2: I said, with the public execution, I thought, you know,
28:22
Speaker 2: you really felt that. The one thing I do wish
28:33
Speaker 2: is that we probably I kind of wish we actually
28:36
Speaker 2: got to see the moment in which, like the moments
28:41
Speaker 2: immediately after they landed when he found her, like how
28:46
Speaker 2: he got her to escape, and like what those first
28:49
Speaker 2: interactions were like, rather than just be like, oh, they
28:53
Speaker 2: really hit it off immediately, you know.
28:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, so but again that I feel like the backstory
29:01
Speaker 3: that we got, while I would have liked to see that,
29:04
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe somebody can expand upon that with
29:08
Speaker 3: a book, though Tony Gilroy doesn't seem very enthused about
29:13
Speaker 3: that topic. We'll talk about that next week, guys, But
29:21
Speaker 3: I feel like that would be better suited to a book,
29:23
Speaker 3: Like they're growing the relationship and building his rebel. Cell
29:27
Speaker 3: En coruscont because again, you run into the issue of Okay,
29:32
Speaker 3: this episode was already what fifty five minutes long, so
29:40
Speaker 3: it's already on the longside, and you don't have Cassian
29:44
Speaker 3: in this episode. So to me, what we got worked
29:49
Speaker 3: really well because you don't need all of it to understand. Okay,
29:54
Speaker 3: they've been building the relationship and it's different to each
29:59
Speaker 3: of them what's going on.
30:00
Speaker 2: So yeah, but episode eleven, we do we do get
30:10
Speaker 2: and or he is there for the entire episode, and.
30:14
Speaker 3: We're about to jump into our third ad y'all. We
30:18
Speaker 3: promise we'll be right back. We promise.
30:21
Speaker 2: Also, uh, well, I guess the very first moments of
30:24
Speaker 2: this episode, uh is with uh the incarceration of dedro.
30:33
Speaker 3: Yes. Her right plaque has been removed, she gets interviewed
30:38
Speaker 3: like she gets interrogated by critic, and I love how
30:42
Speaker 3: can this scene feels like this is where Ben Mendelssohn
30:46
Speaker 3: shines like he's quirky, he's fun. But really in these
30:51
Speaker 3: boilerplate moments where it's like, okay, now we're down to business. Oh,
30:56
Speaker 3: I just love it's He's terrific.
31:02
Speaker 2: I love the fact that the finger on the head
31:07
Speaker 2: was all Ben Mendelssohn, that that wasn't restricted at all,
31:12
Speaker 2: and you kind of see like how terrified she is
31:18
Speaker 2: at that moment, how uncomfortable it is. This scene was
31:27
Speaker 2: so good. We get to learn that she was like,
31:33
Speaker 2: uh what did what term did they use? Uh not?
31:39
Speaker 2: Was it a scavenger or yeah?
31:42
Speaker 3: He says like you're scavenging for anything? Yeah, She's like, well, yeah,
31:47
Speaker 3: I had to because I was given nothing.
31:51
Speaker 2: Well, and also just I wanted to point this out
31:56
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of conversation going on about Like
32:00
Speaker 2: I've seen some people online ask like why would they
32:04
Speaker 2: even arrest her? Mm hmmm, uh why not just like
32:10
Speaker 2: throw her out to the wolves or you know, do
32:14
Speaker 2: The thing is, we've only really seen what to female
32:23
Speaker 2: and and that's the thing also, not even in life.
32:26
Speaker 2: This is the first live action like higher ranked female
32:33
Speaker 2: in the Empire.
32:34
Speaker 3: And yeah, especially with it being the is b like
32:38
Speaker 3: we have seen higher ranked females in like the Navy,
32:43
Speaker 3: in the military, but in the is B in particular,
32:47
Speaker 3: like Duty's having to fight for everything. She's scavenging to
32:52
Speaker 3: make sure that she has a place in the greater
32:54
Speaker 3: Empire at the end of the day. So to me,
32:59
Speaker 3: like it makes sense what she's doing. But it's the
33:03
Speaker 3: selfishness that really gets her in the end of it.
33:06
Speaker 3: Because if she had just gone, Okay, I don't need
33:09
Speaker 3: to work on ACXIS, like I don't need anything, she
33:14
Speaker 3: would have been fine. But she had to have the
33:17
Speaker 3: last laugh with Luthen and really get what she needed,
33:22
Speaker 3: and she screwed up confronting him alone at the end.
33:26
Speaker 2: Of Yes, like the fact that you know, like even
33:30
Speaker 2: they had mentioned in the very beginning like oh, you know, uh,
33:36
Speaker 2: we believe that you know, Dedres captured Axis, but he's
33:40
Speaker 2: you know, incredibly injured, blah blah blah. Like it goes
33:44
Speaker 2: all the way back to the episode where she was
33:46
Speaker 2: talking to the guy who was now in charge of
33:50
Speaker 2: you know, doing all that her replacement, and she mentioned
33:56
Speaker 2: something about glory and he's like, I'm not doing it
33:58
Speaker 2: for the glory. I'm doing it because this is my
34:00
Speaker 2: freaking job. And so from then on you kind of
34:05
Speaker 2: just know, like Deda's going to do something. And I
34:12
Speaker 2: really liked I like this scene so much because at
34:15
Speaker 2: the very end, when uh, somebody comes in and like
34:22
Speaker 2: tells critic something and like she stands up and she's like, oh,
34:26
Speaker 2: well this is this is going on, and this is
34:28
Speaker 2: going on, so we need to do this, this and this,
34:31
Speaker 2: and Ben Mindelssohn, critic just grabs her head and he's like,
34:36
Speaker 2: thank you, but we're gonna do just fine without you,
34:38
Speaker 2: and he kind of just like shoves her off to
34:40
Speaker 2: the side. Yeah, and they leave, and I think it's
34:46
Speaker 2: just it's important and it's kind of like I know
34:50
Speaker 2: what people are gonna say, like, oh, this is kind
34:53
Speaker 2: of disgusting, like this is your only like current like
34:57
Speaker 2: real large with female lead. This is on purpose, people,
35:01
Speaker 2: This is to show you the empire and this again
35:08
Speaker 2: it's misogynistic in everything else like it is. It is
35:11
Speaker 2: doing it all on purpose people. We then see the
35:19
Speaker 2: ISB looking into the cameras at the medical center to
35:23
Speaker 2: kind of see who it is, and.
35:26
Speaker 3: I'd love that they think Claia is a team of three.
35:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was cool, Like there was.
35:33
Speaker 3: Not enough, like they don't have the preen power to
35:37
Speaker 3: go Okay, somebody could have executed this all at once.
35:43
Speaker 3: It's all Clara. She's a masterpiece.
35:46
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's so good. But of course, uh,
35:53
Speaker 2: Clia is using this device that we learn is like
35:59
Speaker 2: a end all be all, like, hey, this is my
36:03
Speaker 2: so os device. Will uh woman?
36:10
Speaker 3: Right, Nope, which defeats the theory that I had two
36:15
Speaker 3: weeks ago about Will I'm on being the source into
36:19
Speaker 3: Sau's empire because it's weird, right because Will has this
36:24
Speaker 3: connection with Sau and he's so attached to Luthen, but
36:28
Speaker 3: he left it all behind to go to yavin For
36:31
Speaker 3: and stay there and like completely ignore Luthen because we figure.
36:35
Speaker 2: Out again yeah.
36:38
Speaker 3: Well it's the same Gorman woman. Yeah, but it's it's
36:43
Speaker 3: the same point. It's like, what you doing, dude. So
36:48
Speaker 3: to me, that was a little weird to see him
36:51
Speaker 3: on yaviin For And maybe it's because of his leg
36:54
Speaker 3: injury because he's seen limping throughout the last two episodes,
36:59
Speaker 3: so like he really can't do like any foot soldier work.
37:03
Speaker 3: I guess like he was doing, so maybe that's why.
37:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but he brings it to Cassian. Cassian is like, okay,
37:16
Speaker 2: well this has to be like the real deal. We
37:21
Speaker 2: have to go get them.
37:22
Speaker 3: There were first He's like, because Clay is only doing
37:26
Speaker 3: this like every half hour or so. Yeah, and so
37:29
Speaker 3: there's no communications. Well I was like no, but it
37:33
Speaker 3: was going and it was going for like X amount
37:36
Speaker 3: of time and stuff, and Cassian's like, well, let's just
37:39
Speaker 3: wait and see, and then it lights up and Cassian's like,
37:43
Speaker 3: oh shit, we have to go.
37:47
Speaker 2: How did you feel about the rebellion? Their procedures and
37:56
Speaker 2: like them kind of bumping heads with Cassian on this.
38:05
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily mind it, because you want everybody to
38:08
Speaker 3: have procedures. But at the end of the day, Cassian
38:12
Speaker 3: is who he is because of Rogue one and because
38:16
Speaker 3: of Lutheran and Clia, and he's not just going to
38:20
Speaker 3: leave them behind to get tortured by the Empire because
38:24
Speaker 3: he thinks that's what's about to happen if nobody goes
38:27
Speaker 3: and gets them, because he still thinks Luthen's around and
38:31
Speaker 3: it's just Claia. So Bail Benjamin Brad did a really
38:38
Speaker 3: good job with Bail in these last two episodes, really
38:41
Speaker 3: just nailing like the hard ass basically like I am
38:47
Speaker 3: the rule follower, which is so funny because of the
38:50
Speaker 3: daughter he chose to raise not really being a rule follower.
38:57
Speaker 3: So I mean, you're not following rules, but you're trying
39:00
Speaker 3: to live by rules. So it's just kind of funny
39:05
Speaker 3: to me that Bail is the one who like breaks
39:12
Speaker 3: everything and punishes everyone for not following the rules.
39:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is a little bit of a hard
39:19
Speaker 2: ass here. And but I will say this, it actually
39:27
Speaker 2: makes sense if you read Princess Leah, it does get
39:34
Speaker 2: right like Bail and uh oh shoot aria Ria, Like
39:44
Speaker 2: they hit that hard with Leah and they tell her like, hey,
39:49
Speaker 2: everything has to be according to plan, everything has to
39:53
Speaker 2: look kosher, everything, Like it's so important to them because
39:59
Speaker 2: there's plenty of time in that book where you think, oh,
40:02
Speaker 2: Leah accidentally screwed this up, and thankfully she's able to
40:06
Speaker 2: kind of pick the pieces back up and not you know,
40:10
Speaker 2: screw the pooch and let the empire know that they
40:13
Speaker 2: are a part of the rebellion.
40:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Bail also harbors some animosity towards
40:22
Speaker 3: Luthen just in general, but also because Luthen got Mond
40:26
Speaker 3: out and Bail's people were one of Bail's people was
40:31
Speaker 3: bad and would have gotten Mond killed basically, so I
40:35
Speaker 3: think he harbors that resentment is like a, Okay, how
40:39
Speaker 3: did you know more about my people than I did?
40:41
Speaker 3: Because there's always going to be that part of you, right.
40:44
Speaker 3: I think I can, I can succeed.
40:47
Speaker 2: I can see Bail having a little bit of that pride.
40:50
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, and this should be our final ad break.
40:55
Speaker 3: So y'all thanks for bearing with us. We appreciate y'all.
40:58
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
41:00
Speaker 2: With this. I I really dug the of course, the
41:08
Speaker 2: entire moment of uh when Cassian K two and uh man,
41:19
Speaker 2: I'm so bad at names Melchie, Yes, when they go
41:27
Speaker 2: to coroussants and to save Claya this I was still
41:35
Speaker 2: this was.
41:35
Speaker 3: A good scene, but I was so mad at Cassian
41:38
Speaker 3: for being dumb enough to go, oh, I can't contact
41:42
Speaker 3: K two USO, I wonder what's going on? Like why
41:46
Speaker 3: are the colms down? Like this feels really dumb for
41:50
Speaker 3: a spymaster.
41:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like with everything that he has been
41:57
Speaker 2: through just with season two that we've seen, not even
42:02
Speaker 2: the stuff that you can basically just say like oh,
42:05
Speaker 2: head canon, he's been through thousands of missions, right, No,
42:09
Speaker 2: just with the stuff that we've already seen. Like I
42:13
Speaker 2: think he did play a little dumb here, but it
42:20
Speaker 2: came out to be a very gruesome horror movie esque
42:26
Speaker 2: scene with ISB K Twoso and the saving of Claya, and.
42:35
Speaker 3: Part of Gays is monitoring the ISB team this whole
42:38
Speaker 3: time that this is going on.
42:42
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna bring up. So there comes
42:45
Speaker 2: a point where they're trying to find Claya. They don't
42:52
Speaker 2: know who she is, but they're just trying to find her,
42:54
Speaker 2: of course, because she's the one that you know unhooked
42:58
Speaker 2: Luthen and so they want to find her. There comes
43:02
Speaker 2: a point where, uh, they are trying to figure out
43:11
Speaker 2: a game plan on how to get her either closed
43:19
Speaker 2: in or something and and really try to get the
43:22
Speaker 2: help of the people of Coruscan. Yeah, and patter Gas
43:27
Speaker 2: is like she's diseased. Like he's like, don't even like
43:34
Speaker 2: because the other guy's like, well what do I do?
43:36
Speaker 2: What do I say? He's like, stop thinking so hard.
43:39
Speaker 2: She's diseased. If anybody comes in contact with her, blah
43:42
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, like go And it's really funny because
43:48
Speaker 2: it's just like this offhand comment that's like, oh my god,
43:52
Speaker 2: they would really go through anything just to get this woman.
43:57
Speaker 2: But it backfires. It back fire is hardcore because isb
44:04
Speaker 2: is kneeding backup at the location and patagass is like
44:10
Speaker 2: telling the person at the desk, we'll call this unit
44:13
Speaker 2: or call that unit and get them over here, and
44:16
Speaker 2: they're all being like, oh, well, you know, we're kind
44:18
Speaker 2: of busy with this disease control over here, and you know,
44:21
Speaker 2: doing this and doing that. I thought that was.
44:25
Speaker 3: So good, so frustrated, but I mean that's legitimately what
44:28
Speaker 3: would happen, is like, especially if you send out a
44:31
Speaker 3: quarantine alert, like, hey, yeah, Nation zero over here is
44:35
Speaker 3: going to kill everybody unless we find her. And now
44:39
Speaker 3: you have the location of where she's at, but you
44:42
Speaker 3: can't do anything about it because everybody's in all different directions.
44:46
Speaker 3: I just laughed so hard.
44:48
Speaker 2: I really, I really liked how all of that kind
44:51
Speaker 2: of fell into place. How did you feel about the
45:00
Speaker 2: interaction with Claia and and or Cassian when they finally meet,
45:09
Speaker 2: because he like knocks on her door, she's hesitant to
45:12
Speaker 2: open the door until he says, hey, luth and it's me.
45:16
Speaker 2: It's Cass. And she opens the door and she's like,
45:19
Speaker 2: of course it would be you, Like of course, you know,
45:23
Speaker 2: after all this time.
45:26
Speaker 3: To think about it, Like it really is like their
45:28
Speaker 3: brother and sister because they were adopted by Luthan basically
45:33
Speaker 3: in their most desperate hours. Yeah, to use Leah's phrase,
45:42
Speaker 3: because Claiya is adopted being her entire village is being
45:46
Speaker 3: torn apart. Cassie and his world's been taken from him,
45:49
Speaker 3: his mom has been taken from him. He needs sanctuary,
45:52
Speaker 3: but he also wants to feel like he has a
45:53
Speaker 3: purpose and that's kind of both of them. And so
45:56
Speaker 3: this is like the sibling they left when he was
46:02
Speaker 3: eighteen coming back home and now you have to talk
46:07
Speaker 3: the other one into leaving. Basically, that's basically what this
46:11
Speaker 3: boils down to. And it feels like it like Elizabeth
46:15
Speaker 3: and Diego do so well with playing off that brother
46:19
Speaker 3: sister chemistry and just really making it work to the
46:23
Speaker 3: best of their abilities and building that relationship that was
46:28
Speaker 3: not there in season one. And it feels like Clay
46:32
Speaker 3: and Andor had two years plus than two years of
46:35
Speaker 3: fighting under their belts to build that relationship.
46:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, honestly, I've never really thought about
46:45
Speaker 2: that whole brother sister dynamic. But like even seeing them
46:49
Speaker 2: kind of argue in her apartment, it's like almost like
46:54
Speaker 2: the older brother being like, hey, you just need to listen,
46:56
Speaker 2: you need to come over here, Da da da, And
46:59
Speaker 2: she's like know, Like how so I feel like Clia
47:06
Speaker 2: had a little bit of Luthen rub off of her
47:09
Speaker 2: too much when like they're they were so hesitant to
47:16
Speaker 2: be any part of Yavin, which doesn't really make sense
47:22
Speaker 2: to me because it is the rebellion that they're building.
47:32
Speaker 2: Like that was always confusing to me. But like because
47:36
Speaker 2: Luthen's dead, like I understand Claia's going through it right now.
47:40
Speaker 2: She has lost the only person that was really there
47:44
Speaker 2: for her, and now she's running from the empire. There's
47:50
Speaker 2: not a whole lot she can do. She has no
47:52
Speaker 2: idea that they're actually like literally at her doorstep, yep.
47:59
Speaker 2: But like I'm I'm just curious. So like what her
48:07
Speaker 2: plan would have been, you know, if not go to Yappin,
48:11
Speaker 2: probably to go underground.
48:14
Speaker 3: And she's probably thinking because she doesn't know that Luthen
48:18
Speaker 3: didn't destroy the communit in the shop, so she's thinking
48:22
Speaker 3: that that's completely destroyed and that her communications is safe.
48:27
Speaker 3: But here goes to Dedron Is like, hey, you know
48:30
Speaker 3: access super well, like how do we find this? Like
48:35
Speaker 3: what do we do? And she gives them all her
48:38
Speaker 3: research basically and pulls out like all the com techniques
48:41
Speaker 3: and that's how they find where Clay is at is
48:44
Speaker 3: her pulse signals to Cassiine. So it's like, if if
48:55
Speaker 3: that had happened, then I'm assuming Luthen like Clay would
48:59
Speaker 3: have been able to continue to use that apartment. She
49:03
Speaker 3: could have rebuilt network, she could have gone to ground,
49:06
Speaker 3: all this kind of different stuff, Like they probably had
49:09
Speaker 3: a plan in place to stay on Corroussant because I
49:14
Speaker 3: think Lutheran's issues with the Empire prevent him from trusting
49:18
Speaker 3: anybody else, like any organized power, and so he kind
49:23
Speaker 3: of wants to be the spymaster, uh, the information broker
49:28
Speaker 3: that oh what's his name mars boss in the air
49:38
Speaker 3: to the Empire, like when he kind of keeps over
49:42
Speaker 3: selling information to the republic about the Empire or the
49:46
Speaker 3: Imperial remnant. I can't I always know his name, And
49:51
Speaker 3: this is like the one time I don't know his
49:53
Speaker 3: name's god in same because it's not kardask Okay i'ma
49:58
Speaker 3: have blowed this up. But anyways, he wants to be
50:01
Speaker 3: the person on the outside that the Republic can depend on,
50:07
Speaker 3: but not be a part of the I'm typing in
50:12
Speaker 3: my last name instead of mar j.
50:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I I dug all of that card.
50:25
Speaker 3: That's his name card.
50:27
Speaker 2: Yes, yes. But then we get to episode twelve, which,
50:35
Speaker 2: by the way, the first five minutes of episode twelve
50:40
Speaker 2: absolutely terrifying, with the shootout, the fact that k Twoso
50:48
Speaker 2: uses uh what's his name as a freaking meat shield. Like,
50:56
Speaker 2: there's just some things I didn't think I would be
50:59
Speaker 2: able to on Disney Plus and you know who would
51:05
Speaker 2: have thunk that Star Wars is the one breaking the
51:08
Speaker 2: boundaries for that kind of thing. So really intense, super intense.
51:17
Speaker 2: We finally do make it back to Yavin and even
51:24
Speaker 2: flying in, they're like, are they gonna shoot us down?
51:27
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna shoot us down, Like they wouldn't shoot
51:30
Speaker 2: us down. Come on, they know it's us, Like why
51:34
Speaker 2: would they think it's anybody? But come on now. But
51:40
Speaker 2: this is where we really wrap up everything. Yeah, how
51:45
Speaker 2: do you can feel? Uh? What were we gonna say?
51:51
Speaker 3: So in episode eleven, Claya passes on to Cassie, and
51:55
Speaker 3: because she wants this dawn course on, she passes on
51:58
Speaker 3: the message from Lawn to Luthen to her. And the
52:02
Speaker 3: main point of it is the actual title of this episode,
52:05
Speaker 3: which is Jetta Kuyper orso and those are kind of
52:11
Speaker 3: the three words that kind of stick with Cassian and
52:15
Speaker 3: so getting to yavin Uh, Cassian and Melshie end up
52:19
Speaker 3: reporting to the Rebellion Council and they're grounded like Baalo's like,
52:26
Speaker 3: I don't trust Luthen, I don't trust Clia, I don't
52:28
Speaker 3: have any reason to kind of thing, and he confines
52:34
Speaker 3: Cassian to his quarters.
52:36
Speaker 2: Uh.
52:36
Speaker 3: Clia is taken to the hospital on Yavn, kind of
52:42
Speaker 3: against her will because she wakes up and is like
52:43
Speaker 3: what the fuck am I doing here? Like I don't
52:45
Speaker 3: want to be here. But my Mathma, being the peace
52:51
Speaker 3: broker that she is, uh, wants to hear Clia out
52:56
Speaker 3: and get the information, So she actually sends Vell to
53:00
Speaker 3: talk with Cassian because she knows Vell can tell if
53:03
Speaker 3: Cassian's telling the truth, and then Bell goes to Cat,
53:08
Speaker 3: Bell goes to Cla and vice versa and everything, and
53:13
Speaker 3: they basically end up figuring it out a Baille says, okay,
53:19
Speaker 3: you're free to go meet your contact, which is the
53:22
Speaker 3: Sogerrera guy, because they know that Sau's on Jetta and
53:27
Speaker 3: they have this whole conversation with Sau and saw I
53:30
Speaker 3: was like, you don't know, I'm on Jetta and my
53:33
Speaker 3: mom was like, dude, I know you're on Jeedda, Like
53:36
Speaker 3: calm down. What did you think of that conversation? Because
53:39
Speaker 3: that's the only time we get Saw in this other
53:42
Speaker 3: than him viewing out the port on Jetda to the city.
53:47
Speaker 2: Was it this episode that we see Saw or was
53:51
Speaker 2: that in episode nine?
53:55
Speaker 3: It was not episode No, it wasn't episode nine or ten.
53:59
Speaker 3: It was either eleven or twelve.
54:03
Speaker 2: Okay, I I like that because it kind of mirrors
54:10
Speaker 2: Rebels exactly, well not only Rebels, it mirrors what happened
54:14
Speaker 2: in the Mask of Fear, Brain of the Empire, because
54:22
Speaker 2: there is also an argument going on between the three
54:25
Speaker 2: of them, bail Man and Saw. So I dug that.
54:34
Speaker 2: I really like how, even through all of this season,
54:41
Speaker 2: how Cassian was like, screw you, Luthan, like I want
54:46
Speaker 2: to get out. I want to get out. I want
54:47
Speaker 2: to get out, and I know, like I still have
54:51
Speaker 2: I still have beef with the fact that Cassian is
54:55
Speaker 2: stuck in this lifestyle, but he's committed now mm hmm.
55:01
Speaker 2: And when he's talking to the council, he's like, man,
55:08
Speaker 2: f all of you guys, you wouldn't even be here
55:10
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for Luthen.
55:12
Speaker 3: And I mean he's right. Luthen started everything and got
55:16
Speaker 3: the cell started, which blossomed to everybody kind of being connected.
55:22
Speaker 3: And so it shows how far the Council is removed
55:29
Speaker 3: from the beginning of the rebellion because they are like,
55:34
Speaker 3: I don't know who this Lucier person is, Like he's
55:37
Speaker 3: not here, why would I trust him? And Kessy is
55:39
Speaker 3: like because he started.
55:41
Speaker 2: This, like geez, and I know that, Like there's a
55:49
Speaker 2: sense and I definitely think that this is what is
55:53
Speaker 2: going through Bail's head. Is like, oh, we lost, you know,
56:00
Speaker 2: democracy because of the lack of proper politics, you know.
56:11
Speaker 2: And so they're like, oh, well, we as the rebellion,
56:14
Speaker 2: need proper politics. That's why they have the counsel and
56:18
Speaker 2: like all of these other things, and it's getting in
56:21
Speaker 2: the way. But I I like that entire scene. I
56:28
Speaker 2: like how it's heated. I like how it's kind of
56:30
Speaker 2: intense and like you said, I do like that mon
56:35
Speaker 2: Like the only few words that she has is like,
56:40
Speaker 2: you know, when Cassian requests permission to go to the infirmary,
56:44
Speaker 2: before Bail can even say anything, she gets up just
56:48
Speaker 2: dista granted, because.
56:51
Speaker 3: What are you without your friends? And at the end
56:53
Speaker 3: of the day, Clay and Cassian are friends. Mine has
56:57
Speaker 3: the relationship with Cassian, whether she likes it or not,
57:01
Speaker 3: and she knows, like, hey, I want to know how
57:05
Speaker 3: my friend's doing, like he she asked that to Luthen
57:07
Speaker 3: all the time. How's Bell? How's Bell doing? Like I
57:10
Speaker 3: want to know how my cousin's doing. Like so thankfully
57:15
Speaker 3: she gets it.
57:18
Speaker 2: How did you feel about the very next scene, powder
57:23
Speaker 2: gats And.
57:26
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming. I really felt it. Like
57:31
Speaker 3: when he's in there by himself, he's kind of like
57:34
Speaker 3: going like he's thinking to himself. He's just kind of mellow.
57:41
Speaker 3: And then what's his name comes in? I can't remember
57:45
Speaker 3: his name, but it's another IB supervisor guy and he's like, yeah,
57:51
Speaker 3: it's time to go, dude, and powder Gas is like,
57:55
Speaker 3: all right, give me one last minute and then shoots himself,
58:00
Speaker 3: and well, like I just knew that was coming.
58:04
Speaker 2: Patrick Ats is listening to.
58:08
Speaker 3: The Oh, you're right. What's his name? Is the manifesto?
58:13
Speaker 2: Yes, he's listening to the Manifesto of the Rebellion, and
58:19
Speaker 2: he's just you're right. He's all by himself, he's listening
58:22
Speaker 2: to it. I didn't know what was happening here. But
58:29
Speaker 2: then you see the blaster and then he walks away,
58:34
Speaker 2: and I love how you get this moment where it's
58:40
Speaker 2: right outside of the chamber.
58:43
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
58:44
Speaker 2: You hear the blast go off. The stormtroopers immediately like
58:51
Speaker 2: start to like they jump and they're about to move in,
58:54
Speaker 2: and the other the other officers like nope, nope, just
58:57
Speaker 2: just hold off, hold on, and he kind of gives
59:02
Speaker 2: it all a moment. We know why Padagats decided to
59:10
Speaker 2: offer himself.
59:11
Speaker 3: Yep.
59:13
Speaker 2: For one, he effed up with the whole disease control.
59:18
Speaker 2: It prevented the capture of Cleia. This also is there
59:28
Speaker 2: there the Empire is finally picking up the pieces to
59:32
Speaker 2: holy crap, this is the rebellion, Like this is going
59:37
Speaker 2: to be big, Like what the hell? So, of course
59:44
Speaker 2: he is not wanting to answer for any of his
59:46
Speaker 2: quote unquote crimes. Well, so he's like to screw.
59:50
Speaker 3: It well, and it's just like another Japanese samurai aspect
59:56
Speaker 3: that Tony YOOI manages to stick in here going down
1:00:01
Speaker 3: to the Hey, if you don't win, like you've got
1:00:05
Speaker 3: off yourself, you've got to land on your sword kind
1:00:08
Speaker 3: of thing. And that's why I saw it coming, was
1:00:12
Speaker 3: I was like, I just knew that you always heard
1:00:17
Speaker 3: that in like the mid thos, with like Japanese storytelling
1:00:19
Speaker 3: and everything, and so I just kind of felt like
1:00:21
Speaker 3: it was coming just as like an element of like, hey,
1:00:25
Speaker 3: I don't want to go see the emperor. I don't
1:00:28
Speaker 3: want to get tortured or electrocuted to death. I would
1:00:31
Speaker 3: rather just kill myself and be done with it. It's
1:00:35
Speaker 3: the more honorable thing to do.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: Like, So yeah, we we go back to Yavin after
1:00:46
Speaker 2: this scene and we see K two come into the
1:00:54
Speaker 2: hut that Cassie and him are living at. Is like, hey,
1:00:58
Speaker 2: the one I don't like is here, And Bail comes
1:01:02
Speaker 2: walking into the room and essentially tells Cassian, Hey, go
1:01:06
Speaker 2: meet with your contact. And Cassian's like, okay, but can
1:01:13
Speaker 2: you tell me what changed? And I find it very
1:01:20
Speaker 2: depressingly ironic that Bail gives his explanation of if I
1:01:30
Speaker 2: die by the Empire, I want to go down swinging.
1:01:35
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
1:01:37
Speaker 2: This is so like it Like I when I heard that,
1:01:42
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh no, like, yes, you're You're
1:01:48
Speaker 2: from From this moment on, you have I guess all
1:01:55
Speaker 2: of rogue one m And that's really it.
1:02:01
Speaker 3: I actually did turn on Brooklyn after this, and watching
1:02:05
Speaker 3: the transition from Benjamin Brad to Jimmy Smith is a
1:02:07
Speaker 3: little weird. Okay, you have to just acknowledge it, like, Okay,
1:02:13
Speaker 3: it's a different actor. It's fine, but man, like it
1:02:17
Speaker 3: still hits Like everything Benjamin Bratt does transitions so well
1:02:22
Speaker 3: to Jimmy Smiths. And just because Jimmy Smith is there
1:02:26
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, I've got to go home. I've
1:02:29
Speaker 3: got a warn breha Bria, like we've got to do
1:02:32
Speaker 3: some planning. And Mom's like, what about can you get
1:02:37
Speaker 3: a message to your Jedi friend? And that's when he
1:02:41
Speaker 3: like plugs in like oh yeah, leah kind of thing
1:02:44
Speaker 3: but without side leyah.
1:02:45
Speaker 2: So and like we get the iconic jacket for and
1:02:52
Speaker 2: or here, and this is where it all is coming
1:02:55
Speaker 2: to a close. We get a couple of transitions between
1:03:02
Speaker 2: uh of course, uh Dedra in the prison cell. We
1:03:10
Speaker 2: see uh Man and her cousin mm hmm. We see
1:03:17
Speaker 2: the force healer with kind of make eye contact with
1:03:23
Speaker 2: and or Uh. We see saw on Jetta and we
1:03:29
Speaker 2: see the.
1:03:31
Speaker 3: Window, yeah, the Starter store and like the window that
1:03:35
Speaker 3: he's at like that always peeks over the city.
1:03:38
Speaker 2: Mm hmm uh. And then after that we see uh
1:03:44
Speaker 2: critic and the construction of the death Star. Yep uh.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: But then we see the scene that I'm most pissed
1:03:57
Speaker 2: off at at the very end, literally right before the
1:04:04
Speaker 2: end credits, we are back at the farming planet. I
1:04:09
Speaker 2: can't remember what the name of it was mean a
1:04:13
Speaker 2: row and we see who we assume is Bis and
1:04:19
Speaker 2: then the camera turns and she's holding a baby. I
1:04:24
Speaker 2: was so mad I almost threw my remote when I
1:04:27
Speaker 2: was watching this. I was so angry. I even texted
1:04:32
Speaker 2: Katie when I knew that she was finally done with
1:04:35
Speaker 2: the episodes, saying the ending of this season makes me
1:04:39
Speaker 2: even more mad at Bicks because the question is and
1:04:44
Speaker 2: I know the answer, but I just think it's funny
1:04:47
Speaker 2: to ask did she know she was pregnant? Or did
1:04:55
Speaker 2: she run back to this planet to be with so
1:04:58
Speaker 2: much would be to be with what's but other man.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: No, that's totally and I think she ran she ran
1:05:10
Speaker 3: back because we do get to see B two. This
1:05:13
Speaker 3: is the first time we've seen B two since the
1:05:16
Speaker 3: beginning of YA getting and the baby is just a
1:05:22
Speaker 3: little too old for it to be anybody else's baby,
1:05:26
Speaker 3: ye plant, which it says like a year later. This
1:05:33
Speaker 3: makes me feel like, Okay, she might have been like
1:05:35
Speaker 3: three months pregnant at the time and then so this
1:05:39
Speaker 3: is like a year and a half later, not actually
1:05:43
Speaker 3: a year later, just because like it just especially with
1:05:48
Speaker 3: where we know the Gorman crisis ends up with because
1:05:52
Speaker 3: of rebels, I just feel like it's not a full year,
1:05:57
Speaker 3: like an exact year afterwards. So no, this is totally
1:06:04
Speaker 3: Cassian's baby. She might have had an inkling she was
1:06:08
Speaker 3: pregnant and then got more of a feeling after the
1:06:10
Speaker 3: conversation with the Force healer.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing is the baby's not p damn room,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have seen that theory. I think
1:06:25
Speaker 2: that is so gross. Get the hell out with that theory.
1:06:30
Speaker 2: I don't like it whatsoever. But guys, this like this
1:06:36
Speaker 2: is what I meant by like why I was so
1:06:38
Speaker 2: angry at the decision that Bix made, making the decision
1:06:42
Speaker 2: for Cassian, like Cassian could have been living a simple
1:06:46
Speaker 2: life as a father. And I get it. I know
1:06:55
Speaker 2: that he had to be there because rogue one was
1:06:57
Speaker 2: made the guys at the end, I understand, but just
1:07:05
Speaker 2: knowing the circumstances of which that decision was made for
1:07:10
Speaker 2: him and he lost out on the chance to be
1:07:14
Speaker 2: a father, I'm angry about that. I was super upset
1:07:20
Speaker 2: with this and this guys, this season was phenomenal. People
1:07:29
Speaker 2: are saying that this is some of the best television
1:07:33
Speaker 2: ever made. The last five episodes are rated some of
1:07:40
Speaker 2: the highest rated television in all of history. And I
1:07:51
Speaker 2: when when all of this was being said, when all
1:07:53
Speaker 2: the ratings were coming out and everything else, I told
1:07:55
Speaker 2: the gua chat, I really hope the suits at Disney
1:07:59
Speaker 2: do not learn the wrong lesson here. Yeah, And Travis said, oh,
1:08:08
Speaker 2: what lesson is that? And I said, I hope they
1:08:10
Speaker 2: don't force a season three, And he said, oh, I
1:08:13
Speaker 2: think there could be a season three. Katie, you had said, Hey,
1:08:18
Speaker 2: I haven't even seen the episodes, but I think that
1:08:20
Speaker 2: you could make a season three. The one thing I
1:08:25
Speaker 2: don't want.
1:08:27
Speaker 3: I don't want like a direct sequel if there is
1:08:30
Speaker 3: a season three, I want fill in into the four
1:08:34
Speaker 3: years that we got in.
1:08:35
Speaker 2: See what people are suggesting is baby Cassie and and
1:08:45
Speaker 2: Or Junior growing up to learn that his father was
1:08:50
Speaker 2: like this amazing person that started the rebellion and was
1:08:56
Speaker 2: successful in the destruction of the Death Star. He was
1:08:59
Speaker 2: a key to it, and now he has to, you know,
1:09:06
Speaker 2: help with the the resistance. I don't want this, absolutely not.
1:09:18
Speaker 2: I don't want Baby and Or.
1:09:20
Speaker 3: No in Like there was a lot in It's again
1:09:28
Speaker 3: going back to the sequel trilogy and where basically the
1:09:34
Speaker 3: story there was like you don't have to follow the
1:09:37
Speaker 3: legacy of your blood. You can choose to follow a
1:09:40
Speaker 3: different legacy. And if Disney were to go that route,
1:09:46
Speaker 3: it is truly learning the wrong lesson because it doesn't
1:09:52
Speaker 3: need to be done, Like it just would leave a
1:09:57
Speaker 3: big ache in my mouth if that were to happen,
1:10:02
Speaker 3: Like don't remember, I still probably would watch it because
1:10:06
Speaker 3: it's Star Wars, but like, well, no, because going into
1:10:10
Speaker 3: a bad taste already, I.
1:10:12
Speaker 2: I already I already see like I can already hear
1:10:16
Speaker 2: the conversations that these suits are having. It's like, oh,
1:10:19
Speaker 2: Andrew was such a great success, we need to keep
1:10:22
Speaker 2: it going for as long as possible. And we've seen
1:10:27
Speaker 2: what happens to shows when you do that.
1:10:31
Speaker 3: M there doesn't need to be a legacy series to
1:10:36
Speaker 3: a phenomenal show. There doesn't need to be an office
1:10:40
Speaker 3: spin off like. It doesn't need to happen like and
1:10:45
Speaker 3: because the reason this show is so successful is because
1:10:47
Speaker 3: of the staff behind it. And Tony Gilroy has already said,
1:10:50
Speaker 3: I'm then I don't want to make any more Star Wars.
1:10:53
Speaker 3: I want to go do some other things like don't
1:10:57
Speaker 3: it's not worth it? It's not worth it?
1:11:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I wouldn't want it. What I what
1:11:10
Speaker 2: I do hope because there's a lot of people that
1:11:12
Speaker 2: are like, oh, you know, we're gonna get more Star
1:11:16
Speaker 2: Wars in the future, but we will never get another
1:11:19
Speaker 2: and or I think this opens the door to have
1:11:28
Speaker 2: more riskier shows. Now again, you're gonna you're gonna look
1:11:41
Speaker 2: at me like that and say, was this really a risk?
1:11:43
Speaker 2: Because of the success of Rug one, I still say yes,
1:11:48
Speaker 2: I think this was a risk because now I I'm.
1:11:54
Speaker 3: Not disagreeing with you on this being a risk because
1:11:59
Speaker 3: you technically had a different name behind it. Because Tony
1:12:03
Speaker 3: Gilroy is like the silent director of Rogue One, like
1:12:07
Speaker 3: m H. Everything attached to it does not say Tony Gilroy.
1:12:12
Speaker 3: So to me, this was still a risk, especially because
1:12:16
Speaker 3: it's Disney Plus versus Cable TV. I think though, that
1:12:24
Speaker 3: Disney has learned again going back to the Acolyte, a
1:12:28
Speaker 3: bad lesson from the Acolyte, where they saw a risk
1:12:34
Speaker 3: that didn't work, and now they don't want to ever
1:12:36
Speaker 3: take a risky because we haven't had any new show announcements.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I think that the success of
1:12:53
Speaker 2: and Or will change their minds, because again I just
1:13:01
Speaker 2: think that, like, what else do you do? I know
1:13:07
Speaker 2: that we still have three movies in the can, four movies,
1:13:10
Speaker 2: four movies in the can, not in the can, but
1:13:14
Speaker 2: you know.
1:13:15
Speaker 3: Many Starfighter, Felony, mangold Man, Gold, Charmine, Obey Shan. Yes,
1:13:32
Speaker 3: so five.
1:13:36
Speaker 2: I was close. Like I I do think that, like
1:13:43
Speaker 2: you still need to have some sort of investment in there,
1:13:46
Speaker 2: and of course you still have Darth Maul that's coming
1:13:48
Speaker 2: out and in some other things. But I think I
1:13:52
Speaker 2: genuinely think, by the time, what what what's the next movie?
1:13:58
Speaker 2: Uh Mando Mando May of next year, right, Yeah, I
1:14:06
Speaker 2: think before Mando next year, we will have some sort
1:14:12
Speaker 2: of inkling that another live action show will happen.
1:14:18
Speaker 3: You're not counting a Soca season two in the mix.
1:14:21
Speaker 2: I'm not counting a Soca season two because that is
1:14:24
Speaker 2: a pre existing show. I just wanted to.
1:14:29
Speaker 3: Make sure I wanted people to have the clarity.
1:14:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, because with this, I think that like you could,
1:14:38
Speaker 2: you could genuinely look at this as a gateway to Okay,
1:14:43
Speaker 2: you know, this was a little bit of a niche,
1:14:46
Speaker 2: you know, with Rogue one, and it's the first Star
1:14:51
Speaker 2: Wars project to not have a single lightsaber by the way,
1:14:57
Speaker 2: you open the door to get kind of you know,
1:15:01
Speaker 2: let's go a little weird, let's go a little dark,
1:15:03
Speaker 2: let's go you know for like the rumor exactly, you
1:15:10
Speaker 2: go the whole Stormtrooper show, like the Stormtrooper or Zombie whatever,
1:15:17
Speaker 2: like like you take a risk. You just see what happens.
1:15:23
Speaker 2: You know, you know, maybe they can circle back and
1:15:28
Speaker 2: like hey, not necessarily call it acolyte, but you know,
1:15:31
Speaker 2: still go on the same plans with plagas, you know,
1:15:36
Speaker 2: do something. Yeah, because I think that you know, when
1:15:43
Speaker 2: people see this, guys, Indoor season one, we were worried
1:15:48
Speaker 2: that we were not going to get a single thing
1:15:50
Speaker 2: of and Or because they were pitching this to cable TV.
1:15:56
Speaker 2: And now it's one of the greatest Star Wars projects
1:15:59
Speaker 2: ever made, Like come on now, it did a complete
1:16:06
Speaker 2: one eighty. So I think it's possible that this does
1:16:10
Speaker 2: help the Star Wars brand move forward in the positive.
1:16:17
Speaker 3: Here's helping, I mean it. I definitely have developed more
1:16:22
Speaker 3: of a pessimistic attitude when it comes to Star Wars TV,
1:16:28
Speaker 3: but I am always hopeful that there will be more
1:16:32
Speaker 3: down the pipeline.
1:16:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that's all I got. That is it
1:16:41
Speaker 2: for and Or season two. Of course we will be
1:16:45
Speaker 2: going back to our normal scheduled programming, which I have
1:16:48
Speaker 2: to go look back at our schedule to see. But
1:16:56
Speaker 2: of course you could always find me at Fanboy Clay
1:16:59
Speaker 2: on Blue Sky, TikTok, Instagram, threads if you wanna, you know,
1:17:07
Speaker 2: see more into my life of comic books and my job,
1:17:10
Speaker 2: go follow me on Blue Sky. Uh. And I am
1:17:14
Speaker 2: just flying through these books like crazy over on Instagram
1:17:19
Speaker 2: and threads and TikTok reading the expanse uh right now,
1:17:28
Speaker 2: Leviathan wakes It it's a doozy. Like, I got really
1:17:34
Speaker 2: intense in to work today and then like five chapters
1:17:38
Speaker 2: had passed, and I'm like, what the hell? Uh, So
1:17:41
Speaker 2: I had to go back and like re listen to
1:17:43
Speaker 2: some stuff. It's a thick book. It it has like
1:17:49
Speaker 2: a it throws you into a world, and it like
1:17:54
Speaker 2: just has no real like backstory, so you're kind of
1:18:01
Speaker 2: just in the thick of it, which is kind of scary.
1:18:03
Speaker 2: But it's still a very intriguing story and I'm really
1:18:06
Speaker 2: enjoying it. But yeah, a lot of fun with that. Guys.
1:18:11
Speaker 2: We got a book this week and I'm already six
1:18:18
Speaker 2: chapters in.
1:18:20
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit ahead of you.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: I'm eight chapters in, Okay, Like you looked at me
1:18:24
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh no, are you done already?
1:18:26
Speaker 2: Oh no?
1:18:30
Speaker 3: With Memorial Day weekend this weekend, I will finish it
1:18:34
Speaker 3: this weekend.
1:18:35
Speaker 2: I will probably not finish it this weekend, but I
1:18:38
Speaker 2: will try to get as much done as possible on
1:18:43
Speaker 2: Memorial Day. I'm really excited. I'm super too.
1:18:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, guys, the book we were talking about, because
1:18:53
Speaker 3: Clay hasn't said the name of the book, it is
1:18:55
Speaker 3: Trials of the Jedi Embargo. Wise, you can expect from us,
1:19:02
Speaker 3: so non spoiler reviews can come out on June third.
1:19:10
Speaker 3: Spoiler reviews are being held until the book's release date,
1:19:14
Speaker 3: so that's what you can expect. We will probably have
1:19:19
Speaker 3: a short discussion on like the week after June third
1:19:24
Speaker 3: about our non spoiler thoughts, but then we will have
1:19:27
Speaker 3: a full review episode up the week it releases, so
1:19:31
Speaker 3: the week of June seventeenth, So that's what you can
1:19:35
Speaker 3: expect for Trials of the Jedi Valiant Val. We will
1:19:39
Speaker 3: be reviewing Valiant val next week because we haven't talked
1:19:43
Speaker 3: about it yet, so that is the review that you
1:19:45
Speaker 3: can expect from us next week. We will also be
1:19:48
Speaker 3: talking about all the stuff that came out with the
1:19:51
Speaker 3: and or interviews and some Tony Gilbert stuff, some other
1:19:55
Speaker 3: things that have come up, and just any big news,
1:19:59
Speaker 3: like we have a book that we have to talk about.
1:20:02
Speaker 3: Disney's releasing a post squel trilogy book, like yes, So
1:20:08
Speaker 3: we have a lot to talk about because it's been
1:20:10
Speaker 3: five weeks since we have talked about any news, uh
1:20:13
Speaker 3: for Star Wars. So if there's something that has come
1:20:17
Speaker 3: out in the past couple of weeks that you want
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Speaker 3: us to talk about, let us know that number is
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Speaker 3: eight three zero five three eight four eight two eight.
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Speaker 3: You can text or leave us a voicemail any news
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Speaker 3: topics or anything you want us to talk about next week.
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Speaker 3: You can also shoot us some email Star Wars Alliance
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Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. Remember there's no a in the Wars.
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Speaker 3: That is super important. Don't forget it because we don't
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Speaker 3: have any active social media at the moment, guys, So
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Speaker 3: these are the two ways they can contact us or
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Speaker 3: our personal accounts. Clay has said his you can contact
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Speaker 3: me on most social media platforms and it's at slace
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Speaker 3: of Katie. If I don't give back immediately, I promise
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Speaker 3: I will. I am not spending a lot of time
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Speaker 3: on social media recently. But with that, guys, I want
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Speaker 3: to watch everyone a great day or night, whatever time and
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Speaker 3: day you are listening or watching, and we will see
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Speaker 3: y'll next time. May the Force be with you