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The Kenny Report | 23 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skoing New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanizi is snubbed by President Donald Trump yet again.
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Speaker 2: The PM is stuck between the Don and New York
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Speaker 2: City and former Coalition Prime Minister Scott Morrison tells me
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Speaker 2: it's a.
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Speaker 3: Problem many other leaders now have had those opportunities and
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Speaker 3: it really is up to the government to ensure that
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Speaker 3: they can get this landed.
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Speaker 1: That full interview with Scott Morrison later.
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Speaker 2: Also Foreign Minister Penny Wong lashes out at the opposition,
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Speaker 2: accusing it of rogue foreign policy against the national interest.
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Speaker 2: That's more her bag I reckon also Tim Blair, Cuzi
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Speaker 2: O'Brien and Stephen Senter Tiampo on some pandemic realism and
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Speaker 2: no end in sight to the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Anthony Albanezi just can't get proper
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Speaker 2: feista fece meeting with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: He's been snubbed yet again.
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Speaker 2: This reality was revealed today when the White House rattled
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Speaker 2: off a list of New York meetings for the President
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Speaker 2: and there was nothing for the Australian Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: The President will also be hosting bilateral meetings with the
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Speaker 4: UN Secretary General and the leaders of Ukraine, Argentina and
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Speaker 4: the European Union. The President will also later in the
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Speaker 4: day hold a multilateral meeting with Katar, the Kingdom of
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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE, and Jordan.
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Speaker 4: After these important meetings, the President will attend a reception
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Speaker 4: tomorrow night with more than one hundred world leaders before
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Speaker 4: returning to Washington, DC.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alba's best BT now is to try to grab
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Speaker 2: a handshike in the drinks queue that reception to.
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Speaker 1: Not with one hundred other ladies. How humiliating.
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Speaker 2: Our Prime minister just can't get FaceTime with the leader
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Speaker 2: of the free world, the commander in chief of our
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Speaker 2: major security Ally, this is a problem. This means our
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Speaker 2: PM is failing in his job to look after our
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Speaker 2: national interests. Speaking with me earlier today, former Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison underlined the importance of FaceTime.
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Speaker 3: There's no substitute the leaders getting to know one another
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Speaker 3: face to face. But that was certainly my experience and
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Speaker 3: I continue to have good relationships with many.
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Speaker 5: To this day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of them is Trump.
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Speaker 2: Morrison is still on good terms with the US President,
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Speaker 2: but he hasn't put in a good word for alban
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Speaker 2: Easy yet.
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Speaker 1: I'll leave them to do their job. If they haven't,
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Speaker 1: they haven't asked me to. Let's put it that way,
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Speaker 1: and I doubt Hey will. Chris, I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: on the top of the call sheet. I'll have that
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Speaker 1: full interview later in the program.
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Speaker 2: But let's talk about the possible reasons why Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: hasn't made time for Anthony Alberanesi. First, Alberesi has said
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Speaker 2: stupid things in the past.
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Speaker 6: We have an alliance with the US, We're going to
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Speaker 6: deal with him, but that doesn't mean that you're uncritical
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Speaker 6: about it.
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Speaker 1: He scares out of me.
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Speaker 2: And then not only has a previous labor prime minister
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Speaker 2: said similar things and worse.
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Speaker 1: That this madman called Trump could have been elected.
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Speaker 2: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 2: run by a village idiot. But Alberonizi was silly enough
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Speaker 2: to appoint Rudd as ambassador to Washington. So the Trump
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Speaker 2: administration is confronted with a Trump hating former PM as
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Speaker 2: ambassador trying to pitch a meeting with a Trump hating
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Speaker 2: incumbent Prime Minister. This is diplomatic self harm on a
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Speaker 2: grand scale, and I got to say we've predicted it
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Speaker 2: here many moons ago.
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Speaker 1: And then there is, of course the policy issues.
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Speaker 2: Not only are there legitimate gripes over tariffs and the
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Speaker 2: worrying uncertainty over the orchestral but now Australia is going
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Speaker 2: all in on net zero. When Trump has abandoned the
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Speaker 2: Paris Agreement again, and just when Israel and the United
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Speaker 2: States are desperate for friends in the war against Humas,
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Speaker 2: Australia has abandoned years of solidarity with Israel and cooperation
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Speaker 2: with the US at the United Nations, deciding instead to
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Speaker 2: recognize the non existent state of Palestine.
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Speaker 4: The President has been very clear he disagrees with this decision.
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Speaker 4: He spoke about that in the UK, standing right next
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Speaker 4: to his friend Prime Minister Starmer, and he feels this
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Speaker 4: does not do anything to release the hostages, which is
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Speaker 4: the primary goal right now in Gaza, does nothing to
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Speaker 4: end this conflict and bring this war to a close,
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Speaker 4: and frankly, he believes it's reward to Hamas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, apart from pulling the wrong rain in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: Albanze has deliberately parted company with US diplomacy, and he
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Speaker 2: wonders why Trump isn't super keen to meet him. Back
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Speaker 2: in Australia, Albanese's colleagues are spinning so hard that they're
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Speaker 2: getting dizzy.
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump is meeting a list of world leaders, and
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Speaker 7: quite an extensive one.
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Speaker 1: That why not US again.
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Speaker 8: Hey, Kenny, I think we should say this is a
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Speaker 8: good thing because it means that the president who's been
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Speaker 8: meeting with world leaders to try and reach agreements on
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Speaker 8: trade policy, he's trying to do deals with other nations
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Speaker 8: around tariff's and trade policy.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't need to do that with Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good that Donald Trump doesn't want to meet Albo.
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Speaker 2: If that's the case, why is it our PM bother
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Speaker 2: going to the US. He should have stayed home and
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Speaker 2: not invited himself to the ball and then avoided being
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Speaker 2: stuck between the Don and New York City. Back on
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Speaker 2: the policy substance of the day, the Albaneze government continues
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Speaker 2: to demonize Israel.
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Speaker 6: Right now, Gaza is in the grip of a humanitarian
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Speaker 6: catastrophe and the Israeli government must accept its share of responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Well, sure, but isn't humas the main problem in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Why isn't Humas portrayed as the architect of the humanitarian disaster.
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Speaker 2: Why does Australia portray Israel as the problem as the aggressor.
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Speaker 2: Alberanezi doesn't understand what's at stake here. He approaches the
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Speaker 2: issues with all the insight of the anti Israel street
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Speaker 2: protester that he once was. I mean, listen to this
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Speaker 2: from the PM yesterday, responding to the Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu's objection to Palestinian recognition.
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Speaker 6: Well, he of course has a view, but he doesn't
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Speaker 6: speak for every Israeli.
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Speaker 2: He's the democratically elected Prime Minister of Israel.
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Speaker 1: I mean, does Alban Easy speak for all Australians? I
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Speaker 1: think not. I know he doesn't speak for me.
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Speaker 2: I'm appalled by his shallow and spineless diplomacy.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this nonsense.
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Speaker 6: We have been clear the terrorist organization Hamask can have
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Speaker 6: no role in Palestine's future.
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Speaker 2: Hummas can have no role in Palestine's future. That sounds nice,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it. But Albaniz he wants to stop Israel's action
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Speaker 2: to eliminate Humas. His calls for a ceasefire are calls
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Speaker 2: to leave Hummas in charge. So if Hummas is to
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Speaker 2: have no role and Israel should not defeat it, doesn't
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Speaker 2: this mean that Hummas needs to surrender now, hand over
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Speaker 2: the hostel and lay down their arms. Why can't Albanezi
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Speaker 2: even bring himself to accept that reality and call for it,
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Speaker 2: Maybe because he knows it won't happen. This whole exercise
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Speaker 2: is fanciful. We have our Prime Minister promoting a non
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Speaker 2: solution for a real problem, recognizing a non existent state
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Speaker 2: as real, even though it fulfills none of the established
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Speaker 2: criteria for statehood, and the pretense is exposed even by
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Speaker 2: the government's own language.
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Speaker 1: Here's the PM in New York today.
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Speaker 6: I'm pleased to be here with Minister Wong to announce it,
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Speaker 6: effective today Sunday, the twenty first of September two thoy
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Speaker 6: and twenty five, the Conwealth of Australia recognizes the State
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Speaker 6: of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: And yet here is the Deputy Prime Minister today in Tasmania.
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Speaker 7: Has taken a position in respect of the recognition of
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Speaker 7: Palestine which recognizes the legitimate aspiration of the Palestinian people
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Speaker 7: to statehood.
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Speaker 2: Not a state, but an aspiration for a state. So
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Speaker 2: Australia has recognized that which does not exist. It is
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Speaker 2: merely an aspiration. Yet Albanezi pretends we have recognized it.
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Speaker 2: I aspire to win the lottery, but so far nobody
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Speaker 2: has recognized that. For me, perhaps we should just recognize
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Speaker 2: that we've met net zero. That would save a lot
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Speaker 2: of hassle and expense, and it gets even more desperate.
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Speaker 2: Listen to the Foreign Minister Pennywong on the ABC today.
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Speaker 9: The opposition of Australia running a rogue foreign policy is
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Speaker 9: not in the nation's interests.
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Speaker 2: What a loathsome attack rogue foreign policy? Wong says, it's
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Speaker 2: a against the national interest for the Coalition to have
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Speaker 2: a different policy to Labor. Does she want a one
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Speaker 2: party state in keeping with Labour's grip on these issues.
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Speaker 2: This is the opposite to reality because the Coalition policy
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Speaker 2: is the same one that Australia has had for eight decades,
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Speaker 2: support for Israel as the only democracy in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East and refusal to reward terrorism.
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Speaker 1: It's Labor that's gone rogue.
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Speaker 2: It's Wong at alban EASi who have trashed our national
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Speaker 2: interest by caving into Humas And listen to this disgraceful
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Speaker 2: slight against Israel.
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Speaker 9: Are working to try and find a way to bring
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Speaker 9: about peace and circumstances where the combatants and certainly the
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Speaker 9: State of Israel is not seeking to end this conflict.
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Speaker 1: She said. Israel is not seeking to end this war.
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Speaker 2: Over the past two years, Israel has defended itself against
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Speaker 2: attacks from Hamas, Islamic Jihad Hezbalah, the Hutis, and the
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Speaker 2: Islamic Republic of Iran. It has been attacked from the north,
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Speaker 2: from the east, and from the south, and it continues
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Speaker 2: to fight against Hamas terrorists who are deliberately prolonging war
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Speaker 2: inside Gaza even though they can't win. They just want
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Speaker 2: to inflict more pain on Israel and more horrors on
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Speaker 2: their own people. And yet Wong accuses Israel of not
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Speaker 2: wanting to end the war. Wong and Albanizi choose to
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Speaker 2: believe the Palestinian Authority leader who was elected twenty years
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Speaker 2: ago and hasn't faced an election since and has been
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Speaker 2: paying terrorists, including the families of suicide bombers all along Hamas.
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Speaker 10: Will have no role in government. Hamas and other factions
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Speaker 10: must surrender their weapons to the Palestinian Authority. We underline
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Speaker 10: our commitment to organize presidential and parliamentary elections after the
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Speaker 10: end of the war and within one year. We will
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Speaker 10: draft an interim constitution within three months to ensure the
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Speaker 10: transfer of power from the authority to the state.
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Speaker 2: If you believe any of that, you have not followed
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Speaker 2: in Middle Eastern affairs for more than a few minutes.
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Speaker 2: Yet our government believes that, and our Prime Minister I
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Speaker 2: identifies more with that nonsense than he does with the
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Speaker 2: US presidents. Please not to reward terrorism. Albanesi takes the
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Speaker 2: side of a supporter and funder of Islamist terrorism.
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Speaker 1: Over the viewpoint of the United States.
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Speaker 2: ALBANIZI is welcomed in communist China for a week, but
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Speaker 2: can't get a single meeting with the US president. I
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Speaker 2: don't think I've seen Australia's foreign policy stance ever, as weak,
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Speaker 2: as insignificant, or as dangerous as it is right now.
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Speaker 2: You might remember that in January this year, the world
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Speaker 2: commemorated the eightieth anniversary of the liberation of the uSwitch
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Speaker 2: concentration camp in Poland Holocaust Memorial Day. It was world
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Speaker 2: leaders gathered to mark this anniversary, one that was especially
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Speaker 2: intant for surviving Holocaust survivors around the world, including.
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Speaker 1: Here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And there was a bit of a media controversy because
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Speaker 2: there was a telling episode when neither of the public broadcasters,
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Speaker 2: neither SBS nor the ABC bothered to send a reporter
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Speaker 2: and crew to this event. The commercial television stations and
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Speaker 2: News Corp and other media sent journalists and camera crews,
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Speaker 2: but not the two public broadcasters, who were funded to
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Speaker 2: the tune of about one point five billion dollars a
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Speaker 2: year by taxpayers.
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Speaker 1: It's not as though resources are a problem.
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Speaker 2: These organizations are flush with taxpayers funds. Just by way
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Speaker 2: of comparison, just a few months earlier, the ABC had
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Speaker 2: sent thirty seven staff to the Gama Indigenous Festival in
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. So it's not about resources, it's about priorities,
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Speaker 2: which is why I bring this up now, because while
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Speaker 2: the ABC did not send anyone to that significant Holocaust memorial,
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Speaker 2: it's placed a much greater priority on Albaneze's trip to
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Speaker 2: New York to recognize the non existent state of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: The ABC has a large bureau in the US, with
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Speaker 2: reporters like Carrington Clark and Barbara Miller and Jade McMillan,
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Speaker 2: along with producers and camera crews. And now on top
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Speaker 2: of that, they even have John Lyons newly appointed as
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Speaker 2: The America's editor. No less, so the ABC, thanks to
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Speaker 2: your dollars, has at least four reporters and plenty of
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Speaker 2: resources to cover Albow's visit to the United Nations in
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Speaker 2: New York City, But no, they sent more Insider's host
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Speaker 2: and so called Canberra lead David Spears.
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Speaker 1: Went along for the ride.
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Speaker 2: But so too did their new Global Affairs editor Laura Tingle,
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Speaker 2: and presumably other crew accompanied them.
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Speaker 1: So there's priorities for you.
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Speaker 2: Holocaust commemoration, nah, but a pointless nod to the non
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Speaker 2: existent state of Palestine and the ABC was all in.
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Speaker 2: Everyone turned up. And in related news, we can find
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Speaker 2: no coverage on the ABC of the horrific executions in
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Speaker 2: Gaza that we reported here last night.
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Speaker 1: Now a warning, I'll be showing some of.
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Speaker 2: These distressing pictures again because these are Hummas terrorists who
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Speaker 2: still control the people of Gaza, are still fighting against Israel,
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Speaker 2: and here they are executing at least three people accused
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Speaker 2: of collaborating with Israel. We won't show you what happens next,
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Speaker 2: but believe me, the video does show the executions.
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Speaker 1: This is the.
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Speaker 2: Reality of Hummas run Gaza, exposed on the very day
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Speaker 2: that our government recognized the non existent state of Palestine,
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Speaker 2: which is half run by Hummas at the moment, and
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Speaker 2: while gave blanket coverage of Albanezi and Wang in New York,
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Speaker 2: we have found no coverage of these real events in
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Speaker 2: Gaza on the ABC website. Perhaps they'll enlighten us, but
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Speaker 2: this is happening. Even though the BBC reported these executions
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Speaker 2: and they verified that the video was shot in the
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Speaker 2: middle of Gaza City, apparently none of this was news
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Speaker 2: at the ABC. I guess they were too busy telling
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Speaker 2: Australians that Israel is the problem. Let's go now to
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Speaker 2: Zoey Mackenzie, the Shadow Assistant Minister for Education. She joins
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Speaker 2: me live from the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. Good to
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Speaker 2: talk to you again, Zoe. This idea from Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: that the Coalition is working against the national interest by
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Speaker 2: having a rogue foreign policy. I hear a foreign policy
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Speaker 2: that sticks with what Australia has always had and hasn't
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Speaker 2: followed a change by labor.
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Speaker 1: How do you read that intervention from her?
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Speaker 11: I think it was very important that Susan Lee today
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Speaker 11: was very clear about where the coalition stands and that
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Speaker 11: this is indeed a very sad division what has been
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Speaker 11: a long standing bipartisan approach in terms of a two
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Speaker 11: state solution to go and recognize the safe Palestine this
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Speaker 11: week at the United Nations breaks a fundamental kind of
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Speaker 11: trust between the parties on this particular position. Not to
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Speaker 11: mention undermines one of our allies in Israel. Not to
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Speaker 11: mention mounts a grand fantasy about how we can determine
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Speaker 11: what will happen in elections in the West Bank at
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Speaker 11: some future time.
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Speaker 2: Yet Penny Wong calls this a rogue foreign policy that
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Speaker 2: works against the national interest.
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Speaker 1: Is that responsible?
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Speaker 11: Most definitely not. And of course the clips that you've
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Speaker 11: taken from what the Foreign Minister has said today are
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Speaker 11: quite disappointing. Indeed, especially in relation to Israel. She seems
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Speaker 11: to have completely forgotten that this all began on the
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Speaker 11: seventh of October, when hundreds of Hamas fighters moved into
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Speaker 11: Israel and slaughtered people in their homes six o'clock in
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Speaker 11: the morning, slaughtered them as they were making breakfast, as
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Speaker 11: they were dancing at the dawn at a music festival,
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Speaker 11: and that terror from that day lives on in the
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Speaker 11: hearts and minds of the Israeli people. Because the hostages
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Speaker 11: are still being held in the tunnels of Gaza, that
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Speaker 11: event for them has not ended. And at this point
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Speaker 11: in time, as the Jewish community in Australia are celebrating
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Speaker 11: the new year, the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister choose
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Speaker 11: to go to New York and to recognize the State
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Speaker 11: of Palestine based on a series of conditions that frankly
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Speaker 11: can never be met.
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Speaker 1: Yet, as you've just heard, the Foreign Minister has also
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Speaker 1: said very clearly that she believes Israel is not seeking
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Speaker 1: an end to the conflict.
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Speaker 11: It's extraordinary. We know that the day France, who was
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Speaker 11: the first mover said that they would recognize the state
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Speaker 11: of Palestine, that the ceasefire talks that were happening with
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Speaker 11: Hamas that very day ceased. So it sent all the
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Speaker 11: wrong messages to Hamas in terms of what the international
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Speaker 11: community was demanding of them, that being the immediate release
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Speaker 11: of the remaining hostages and putting down their weapons so
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Speaker 11: that peace could be forged and redevelopment of Gaza and
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Speaker 11: re establishment of peace in the region could be pursued.
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Speaker 2: Now, you've got a long experience before politics, in diplomacy
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Speaker 2: and international negotiations. Why do you believe Donald Trump hasn't
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Speaker 2: found time for a face to face meeting with Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 11: It's a great question because it's been quite a long time.
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Speaker 11: I remember at the time when President Trump was president
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Speaker 11: elect and a number of world leaders were going to
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Speaker 11: meet with him and having early conversations when he was
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Speaker 11: in Florida, and.
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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister could have done that. I think he
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Speaker 12: was in Peru for Apec.
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Speaker 11: It's a pretty easy flight from Peru up to Florida,
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Speaker 11: and yet he failed to do that.
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Speaker 12: At the end of the.
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Speaker 11: Day, whatever you think of President Trump, the United States
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Speaker 11: is our most important strategic ally. We must have a vibrant, deep,
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Speaker 11: permanent relationship and ongoing conversation with the United States, and
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Speaker 11: for the Prime Minister be unable to have a conversation
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Speaker 11: with the President is utterly bewildering. I suspect that whatever
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Speaker 11: he's done between our ambassador in Washington or the comments
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Speaker 11: he's made here somewhere, the Prime Minister has made an
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Speaker 11: epic fail and our country is at risk as a result.
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Speaker 11: That must be our strongest relationship and how many hundreds
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Speaker 11: of days it's I think we're almost beyond a year now.
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Speaker 2: Nothing might be time to bring Kevin Rudd back and
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Speaker 2: try somebody else thought.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Zoe Mackenzie zoie there, the Member for Flinders in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break. Don't forget.
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Speaker 2: I've got that Scott Morrison interview coming up later. But
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Speaker 2: after the break, Tim Blair on Kamala Harris. She's back
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Speaker 2: plugging her new book and she's going after the Donald again.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph, joining
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Speaker 2: us from the Wimmera in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you mate.
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Speaker 13: As always my friend.
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Speaker 2: You've written again about a number of issues, but Middle
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Speaker 2: Eastern policy. There one of the things Australia is trying
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Speaker 2: to do, of course, apart from save the planet, is
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Speaker 2: to resolve the Middle East peace. This from a bloke
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Speaker 2: who can't keep his electorate office open, And I just
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Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts on Greta Tumberg and that
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Speaker 2: flotilla still heading towards Gaza. They've got their final warning
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Speaker 2: apparently from Israel, and some people are already jumping ship.
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Speaker 13: It's kind of interesting that the flotilla is sort of
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Speaker 13: continuing even though you know her side winning. You know,
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Speaker 13: everyone's given them the Statehood's been offered Australia, France, Canada,
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Speaker 13: various other idiotic and miss informed nations. You make a
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Speaker 13: very good point that of all Australian parliamentarians, perhaps the
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister is there should be most alert to the
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Speaker 13: issues involving the Middle East in a local way. Because
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Speaker 13: he's got Palestinian supporters driving him out of his electorate,
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Speaker 13: and yet there he is turning around. It shows that
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Speaker 13: violence and hostility and conflict sometimes can prevail.
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Speaker 2: He cannot prevent a bunch of protesters from shutting down
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Speaker 2: his electorate office, but he reckons he can keep humm
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Speaker 2: Us out of any future Palestinian government.
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Speaker 1: The absurdity is just too much, which leads us to.
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Speaker 2: Our next political figure, and that is Kamala Harris, the
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Speaker 2: former vice president, one time presidential candidate. She's back flogging
23:48
Speaker 2: your book. Here's a little of what she's got to say.
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Speaker 1: Right now.
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Speaker 14: We are dealing with, as I called him at my
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Speaker 14: speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant. We used to compare
24:01
Speaker 14: the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That's what
24:05
Speaker 14: we're dealing with right now.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Yeah, Donald Trump a communist dictator or she
24:10
Speaker 2: got that one right.
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Speaker 13: Well, give her a break, Chris, I mean, you try
24:15
Speaker 13: making sense after forteen Martinez perform Midday. It's a challenge.
24:19
Speaker 13: I like, having proved she can't speak, she's now said
24:23
Speaker 13: up to prove she can't write. This book is an atrocity,
24:26
Speaker 13: and it's the extracts are brilliant. She's so tone deaf
24:30
Speaker 13: that she's not aware or her ghostwriter more likely is
24:33
Speaker 13: not aware of how much she's telling on herself. This
24:36
Speaker 13: whole sections in there about hell staff were undermining her
24:39
Speaker 13: and they were making fun of her, And it just
24:40
Speaker 13: comes across as someone who can't control an office again,
24:44
Speaker 13: let alone a country Alpha wish kind of scenario.
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Speaker 2: I haven't read any I assume she'd have someone who
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Speaker 2: could write writing it for her. I suppose, though, when
24:53
Speaker 2: you look at what she said, if she transcribes any
24:56
Speaker 2: of her own quotes, she's in trouble.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this as a reminder.
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Speaker 14: I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
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Speaker 14: what has been. You know, there is great significance to
25:07
Speaker 14: the passage of time in terms of what we need
25:09
Speaker 14: to do to see the moment in time in which
25:14
Speaker 14: we exist and are present.
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Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm not going to be rushing out to
25:23
Speaker 2: get this book, Tim. Now I want to talk about
25:25
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel. He flicked his Late nine TV show was
25:29
Speaker 2: flicked after these comments.
25:31
Speaker 1: In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination.
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Speaker 15: We had some new lows over the weekend with the
25:37
Speaker 15: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
25:40
Speaker 15: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and
25:43
Speaker 15: do everything they can to score political points from it.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was completely wrong, Tim, and it was poor taste.
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Speaker 2: So I thought, great that that flicked him. Apparently wasn't
25:52
Speaker 2: doing that well. But then they've made it into this
25:55
Speaker 2: censorship issue. Apparently, you know, Trump and others wanted him gone,
25:59
Speaker 2: so therefore they can't be bowing to that.
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Speaker 1: Then it's an infringement of free speech. So later this
26:04
Speaker 1: week he's going to be back. Apparently, that's right.
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Speaker 13: He's had a total of three days off air, which
26:10
Speaker 13: in normal television language counts as you know, a mid
26:13
Speaker 13: season sort of break or not even that. But I
26:16
Speaker 13: think it's going to be fascinating when he does come back,
26:18
Speaker 13: because there'll be this huge rating spike because everyone want
26:21
Speaker 13: to see what all the fuss is about, and they'll
26:23
Speaker 13: want to see Kimmel's comeback. But after that, the collapse
26:26
Speaker 13: will happen again because he's not good TV. He's dreadful.
26:30
Speaker 13: He's meant to be doing a funny late night show,
26:32
Speaker 13: and he's doing something that just angers up the blood
26:35
Speaker 13: among both both his pans, the few of them that
26:38
Speaker 13: there are, and his political opponents, of whom there are
26:41
Speaker 13: a great deal more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a clip the other day of the
26:44
Speaker 2: Late Grail think he's Late Johnny Carson talking about what
26:48
Speaker 2: his job was to be funny, not to be political.
26:51
Speaker 1: And these dudes are all into politics.
26:53
Speaker 16: You know.
26:54
Speaker 1: You get the humor on the political.
26:56
Speaker 2: Shows, and you get the serious politics on what are
26:58
Speaker 2: supposed to be light hearted comedy shows.
27:00
Speaker 1: But I don't quite get it.
27:02
Speaker 2: But I just want to raise one other story with you,
27:05
Speaker 2: because you and I have talked a lot about the
27:07
Speaker 2: dangers of lithium ion batteries and various vehicles, and.
27:13
Speaker 1: Someone must come up with a solution.
27:15
Speaker 2: This is a solution they reckon to get rid of
27:18
Speaker 2: burning batteries out of your car.
27:20
Speaker 1: I have a look, bang, have a look at this.
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Speaker 12: Chinese car companies are flirting with the idea of explosively
27:27
Speaker 12: jettisoning batteries out of the car that might be causing
27:30
Speaker 12: a risk of fire or other safety problems. I can
27:32
Speaker 12: think of a few other safety risks attached to this,
27:35
Speaker 12: such as maybe the ankles or shins of bystanders that
27:37
Speaker 12: are going to be absolutely flogged by half a ton
27:40
Speaker 12: of battery exploding out the side of an suv.
27:44
Speaker 2: They're going to have to put cement barriers and every
27:47
Speaker 2: bus stopped him.
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Speaker 13: I want, I want a car with that. I want
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Speaker 13: anything in the world because maybe with maybe a frontal
27:55
Speaker 13: sort of a decorating applicaction, because no more roadblocks from
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Speaker 13: extinction rebnion. I'd tell you.
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Speaker 1: It's just insane.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim, We'll catch up with you
28:04
Speaker 2: on Thursday with Martin Nicholson.
28:06
Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
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Speaker 3: Now.
28:07
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, my interview with former
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison find out what he thinks of
28:13
Speaker 2: the Trump.
28:14
Speaker 1: Snubbing of Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the United Nations and
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian Authority. President Mahmoud Abbas was beaming into the
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Speaker 2: United Nations overnight from the West Bank and AHEADO thank
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Speaker 2: you for many countries including Australia, have a look.
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Speaker 1: We call.
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Speaker 10: For your support so that Palestine become a full fledged
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Speaker 10: member of the United Nations. I would like to thank France, Britain, Canada,
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Speaker 10: Australia and Belgium, in addition to Portugal, Luxembourg, San Marino
28:56
Speaker 10: and Dora and other countries that have been mentioned by
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Speaker 10: His Excellency, the President of France.
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Speaker 2: I caught up with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison earlier today.
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Speaker 2: I asked him about the wider ramifications of all this
29:09
Speaker 2: and whether this was the moment that Australia turned its
29:12
Speaker 2: back on Israel.
29:14
Speaker 3: Short answers yes, and importantly on the Australian Jewish community.
29:19
Speaker 3: They just must be well, I know they are just
29:22
Speaker 3: completely devastated by this, the country of which they've played
29:26
Speaker 3: such an enormous part over such a very long period
29:28
Speaker 3: of time, going to back no greater than John Monash
29:33
Speaker 3: and here we are turning our back on them and
29:36
Speaker 3: turning our back on the state of Israel. I'm pleased
29:40
Speaker 3: that some nations still stood by them. It is a
29:42
Speaker 3: complete reversal of a policy position that had been held
29:45
Speaker 3: on a bipartisan basis for many, many decades. There'd been
29:49
Speaker 3: a great history of that and standing with Israel, and
29:52
Speaker 3: this government has taken the complete opposite path, and I'm
29:55
Speaker 3: just full of disappointment and sadness about it.
29:58
Speaker 2: Now the current opposition saying they would overturn this in government,
30:02
Speaker 2: and that's relevant in this.
30:03
Speaker 1: Case because no matter how long it takes them.
30:05
Speaker 2: To return to government, there won't be a Palestinian state by.
30:08
Speaker 1: Them, will there. This is a meaningless gesture.
30:11
Speaker 2: The United Nations Security Council won't admit a state of Palestine.
30:15
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist any real sense, and it won well,
30:20
Speaker 1: it's fantasy diplomacy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is appeasing various interests in domestic constituencies
30:27
Speaker 3: and more broadly, Look, I have no doubt about the
30:30
Speaker 3: genuine intent of wanting to end the suffering in the
30:33
Speaker 3: Middle East, but this doesn't achieve that. It's a cul
30:38
Speaker 3: de sac. It doesn't actually advance the sort of things
30:42
Speaker 3: that need to be addressed. They sort of want to
30:44
Speaker 3: skip to the end and go, oh, we'll just recognize
30:46
Speaker 3: the state. Well, at the same time, what state? How
30:49
Speaker 3: will that state function? Can it deliver health services, education services?
30:54
Speaker 3: Can it deliver the internal security, let alone the external security?
30:58
Speaker 3: What guarantees are there for its name, in particular Israel,
31:01
Speaker 3: that the events of what occurred on October seven, the
31:05
Speaker 3: worst massacre of Israelis since the Holocaust, would never happen again.
31:11
Speaker 3: I mean, all of these questions are just left on
31:13
Speaker 3: the side and glossed over, and not least of which
31:17
Speaker 3: is the question of the remaining hostages. These are the
31:21
Speaker 3: ones who have been most utterly abandoned in this rewarding
31:27
Speaker 3: of one of the worst terrorist acts we've seen against Israelis,
31:30
Speaker 3: if not the worst obviously since the Holocaust.
31:33
Speaker 1: Where is our memory exactly?
31:36
Speaker 2: Is there anything you have heard from Anthony Albanezi, mumdu Abas,
31:41
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Macron.
31:43
Speaker 1: Any of the key figures in this care starma.
31:47
Speaker 2: That either explains how we will get the hostages back,
31:51
Speaker 2: how the Israeli hostages will be returned, or secondly, perhaps
31:55
Speaker 2: most importantly, how hum us will be disarmed and kept
31:59
Speaker 2: from the assuming power again in any future state.
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Speaker 3: Well, of course not, and I don't think there's any
32:04
Speaker 3: attempt to. I mean, the suggestion that the Palestinian authority
32:08
Speaker 3: is somehow going to have mass hand in all of
32:11
Speaker 3: their weapons and stand aside is laughable. And if that's
32:16
Speaker 3: the basis upon which this great peace is going to
32:19
Speaker 3: be achieved, well, you know you just can't take it seriously.
32:23
Speaker 3: I mean, this is not the first time these sorts
32:25
Speaker 3: of votes that have proceeded, and thankfully in the past
32:29
Speaker 3: Australia has stood its ground with our great friends and allies,
32:32
Speaker 3: particularly in the United States as well as Israel, and
32:35
Speaker 3: i'd note importantly our family members in the Pacific. I mean,
32:38
Speaker 3: I commend Pappa New Guinea, I commend Tonga, I commend
32:42
Speaker 3: Palau and many other countries in our part of the world.
32:45
Speaker 3: I've just been in Papa New Guinea for the fiftieth
32:47
Speaker 3: anniversary celebrations earlier this week, and I took the opportunity
32:52
Speaker 3: to commend James Mrape for the strong principal stand he
32:56
Speaker 3: has taken. And you know it is a fan does
33:00
Speaker 3: he vote. I mean, you cannot have two states when
33:04
Speaker 3: there aren't two states, and until they can put in
33:06
Speaker 3: place the prerecords prerequis, it's to achieve that This is
33:11
Speaker 3: just complete folly.
33:13
Speaker 2: There is no doubt that the diplomatic acceleration of this
33:17
Speaker 2: process is rewarding terrorism.
33:21
Speaker 1: I've said that for many a year.
33:23
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has said that any sensible person can see
33:27
Speaker 2: how this rewards terrorism. And all we need to know
33:30
Speaker 2: to confirm that is to listen to the Hamas terrorists themselves.
33:34
Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
33:35
Speaker 17: Let's pull of thine the governors about Okdoba, fuil Oftine,
33:43
Speaker 17: I think, invest me in the has about Okdaoba.
33:48
Speaker 1: You have a Coldellia Philina.
33:51
Speaker 2: They credit the brutal slaughter of twelve hundred Israelis and
33:56
Speaker 2: the taking of two hundred and fifty hostages with getting
33:59
Speaker 2: this advance in their diplomatic game. If you like, just
34:04
Speaker 2: how sad is this moment for Australian diplomacy and how
34:08
Speaker 2: dangerous Scott Morrison.
34:11
Speaker 3: Well again, most of all, it is an incredibly sad
34:14
Speaker 3: day for the Australian Jewish community and the people of Israel.
34:19
Speaker 3: But the point that is being made, I mean, when
34:21
Speaker 3: October seven happened, the only thing that the Hamas terrists
34:26
Speaker 3: wanted more than what they have just been delivered would
34:29
Speaker 3: be the complete destruction of the state of Israel and
34:32
Speaker 3: the elimination of every single Jewish citizen. So this is
34:37
Speaker 3: what they set out to achieve by raping, maiming and
34:41
Speaker 3: shooting Israelis in I mean, I was there at kafa
34:46
Speaker 3: Aza with Boris Johnson Abound a month after this all
34:49
Speaker 3: took place. I saw the bullets in the walls, I
34:52
Speaker 3: saw the blood on the walls, I saw the burned
34:54
Speaker 3: out buildings, I saw the horrific images of what was
34:58
Speaker 3: done to people in one of the in front of
35:01
Speaker 3: their parents, in front of their children. And what they
35:04
Speaker 3: wanted to achieve was this and how that can't be seen.
35:08
Speaker 3: And I'm pleased there are at least some countries in
35:11
Speaker 3: the world that are still prepared, and I applaud the
35:14
Speaker 3: opposition for holding their ground.
35:17
Speaker 1: The idea that this is.
35:18
Speaker 3: A bipartisan policy in Australia is no longer, and it
35:21
Speaker 3: hasn't been now for some years. The positions we took
35:24
Speaker 3: in government were substantively reversed and have continued to be
35:28
Speaker 3: reversed until they bear absolutely no resemblance to what had
35:32
Speaker 3: previously been Australia's strongest ever positioned in support of the
35:36
Speaker 3: state of Israel.
35:37
Speaker 2: And Australia's backflip on this issue, Australia's support now for Palestine.
35:42
Speaker 1: Would that be one of the key reasons that.
35:44
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi can't get a face to face meeting with
35:47
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
35:49
Speaker 3: I can't say, but I couldn't. I couldn't imagine it helped.
35:53
Speaker 3: I mean, but this position goes well beyond whether someone
35:56
Speaker 3: gets a meeting or not. I mean, I think that
35:59
Speaker 3: the members of the Congress in the Senate set out
36:01
Speaker 3: the position I think pretty clearly, and so but that's it.
36:05
Speaker 3: I mean, the United Kingdom just hosted the President and
36:08
Speaker 3: they had clearly the same position as the Australian government.
36:11
Speaker 3: So I assume there are many other factors here, but
36:13
Speaker 3: it certainly would have helped.
36:15
Speaker 2: This is why I wanted to come back to Papua
36:17
Speaker 2: New Guinea and I want to remind you, as if
36:19
Speaker 2: you need reminding, that Australia has just failed to deliver
36:23
Speaker 2: security deals both with Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu. He
36:28
Speaker 2: is Anthony Ibnezi when he was in Papua New Guinea
36:32
Speaker 2: just last week.
36:32
Speaker 1: I'm celebrating. That's the thing.
36:35
Speaker 6: They all went to their respective homelands and so they
36:42
Speaker 6: didn't have quorum at the cabinet meeting, and that's understandable.
36:48
Speaker 1: Now this is a problem.
36:49
Speaker 2: I'm certain you will hope that those deals are resurrected,
36:52
Speaker 2: but is part of Australia's problem in the Pacific now,
36:56
Speaker 2: the fact that we are not seen as being very
36:58
Speaker 2: close to the US. A lot of our our power
37:00
Speaker 2: and authority in the region.
37:03
Speaker 18: Is aligned to the fact that we are so close
37:05
Speaker 18: to the United States, and this government has got so
37:08
Speaker 18: much distance between US off and the Trump administration in
37:12
Speaker 18: the US that perhaps it's washing off on them in
37:14
Speaker 18: the region.
37:16
Speaker 1: Well, there's two issues here.
37:17
Speaker 3: The first one is I expect the Puppy Guinea will
37:20
Speaker 3: be completed and I spoke with James Rappe myself when
37:23
Speaker 3: I was up there. I was there at the same
37:24
Speaker 3: time as the Prime Minister. The initiation of this arrangement
37:28
Speaker 3: came from James and Marappe, as he made clear of
37:30
Speaker 3: his own press statement, which is welcome. I mean, the
37:34
Speaker 3: issues that sit as part of this treaty I'm sure
37:37
Speaker 3: will be going over in a lot of detail in
37:39
Speaker 3: both countries. But I'm sure that I mean, things don't
37:42
Speaker 3: always happen on the media timetable of the Prime Minister.
37:47
Speaker 3: I think he's learnt on his most recent trip through
37:49
Speaker 3: the Pacific. But hopefully they will be concluded and they'll
37:53
Speaker 3: be good and positive things. As when you talk about
37:57
Speaker 3: our relationship with the United States, well, i'd say the
37:59
Speaker 3: alliance survives all prime ministers and presidents, and that's a
38:02
Speaker 3: positive thing. There are occasions where those relationships are very
38:06
Speaker 3: personally close, and I was fortunate enough to have experienced that,
38:11
Speaker 3: but at other times they're a little more distance. I
38:14
Speaker 3: would certainly make the observation that I think our orbit,
38:18
Speaker 3: so to speak, in the US, is a bit more
38:21
Speaker 3: distant than it used to be. But I'm sure and
38:24
Speaker 3: have no doubt that the broader institutional relationship between and
38:30
Speaker 3: the Australia and the United States will always remain healthy,
38:32
Speaker 3: as will orcus and all of the things that sit
38:35
Speaker 3: around that.
38:36
Speaker 2: Underlying all of this, of course, is the fact then
38:38
Speaker 2: that Anthony Albertezi has a problem, doesn't he not getting
38:41
Speaker 2: FaceTime with Donald Trump?
38:42
Speaker 1: He needs to get that.
38:45
Speaker 3: It's been a long time, and you know, sometimes diaries
38:48
Speaker 3: are difficult to coordinate, but it's been a long time
38:50
Speaker 3: now and I would hope that would occur. Yes, they've
38:54
Speaker 3: had some phone conversations, that's true, but many other leaders
38:58
Speaker 3: now have had those opportunities, and it really is up
39:02
Speaker 3: to the government to ensure that they can get this landed,
39:05
Speaker 3: I mean, and to have a substantive meeting too, I
39:07
Speaker 3: should say. I mean, they've exchanged pleasantries over the phone,
39:10
Speaker 3: and we all understand the closeness historically of the relationship,
39:14
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that's all been reaffirmed.
39:17
Speaker 1: But there are big.
39:18
Speaker 3: Issues in the Indo Pacific and our security relationship that
39:22
Speaker 3: we share with the United States in the region, and
39:25
Speaker 3: these conversations, there's always important issues that you really get
39:28
Speaker 3: into the details of I remember many of them. Well,
39:31
Speaker 3: of course there is aucust, but even going back to
39:34
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, we're dealing with critical minerals, We're dealing with
39:37
Speaker 3: issues within the Pacific Southwest and the role in relationships
39:42
Speaker 3: with Asia and so on. So you know, there's a
39:44
Speaker 3: lot of important things that leaders at that top level
39:48
Speaker 3: have to be able to communicate back into their own governments.
39:51
Speaker 3: It's great to have the meetings that say Richard Marles
39:54
Speaker 3: has had. He's had quite a number of meetings now,
39:56
Speaker 3: and I know that those meetings have been very positive
40:00
Speaker 3: and very constructive, particularly around the issue of aucas But
40:05
Speaker 3: you know, there's no substitute for leaders getting to know
40:08
Speaker 3: one another face to face. That was certainly my experience,
40:12
Speaker 3: and I continue to have good relationships with many to
40:14
Speaker 3: this day.
40:16
Speaker 2: Would you put in a good word for Anthony ALBERIZI
40:18
Speaker 2: because Kevin doesn't seem to be having much luck.
40:21
Speaker 1: Well, I'll leave them to do their job. If they haven't,
40:24
Speaker 1: they haven't asked me to, let's put it that way,
40:27
Speaker 1: and I doubt hey will. Chris, I don't know.
40:30
Speaker 3: I'm on the top of the call sheet when it
40:31
Speaker 3: comes for those sorts of things from the Australian government.
40:34
Speaker 3: That's their responsibility and I'm sure they'll attend to it.
40:37
Speaker 3: And I'm sure Kevin is doing everything he can to
40:40
Speaker 3: our ambassador to achieve that.
40:42
Speaker 2: Well, you're high on our list, Scott Morrison, thanks so
40:44
Speaker 2: much for joining us today.
40:46
Speaker 1: Nice to be with you, Chris. Yes, Scott Morrison. There.
40:50
Speaker 2: If I was Anthony Alberzi, I'd give him a call.
40:52
Speaker 2: See if he can't put a word in with Donald Trump.
40:55
Speaker 2: He needs to get that meeting.
40:56
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break. On the other side.
40:58
Speaker 2: Cusi O'Brien and Steven Sennet join me. We'll talk about
41:01
Speaker 2: the former Victorian health boss who's dropped a few bombs
41:06
Speaker 2: about the COVID restrictions.
41:13
Speaker 1: Let's get some common sense from the panel now.
41:15
Speaker 2: Susio O'Brian, in her day job, is the National Education
41:18
Speaker 2: editor for the News Court Paper's good to talk to
41:21
Speaker 2: you again, Susie joining us from Melbourne and in the
41:23
Speaker 2: nation's capital, Stephen Senna, tempo breakfast host at two Double CE.
41:27
Speaker 1: I got a problem for both of you.
41:29
Speaker 2: I'll get to each of you to explain how you'd
41:32
Speaker 2: solve it. Susie, you go first. How would you get
41:34
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi a face to face meeting with Donald Trump?
41:40
Speaker 19: I love the idea of you asking Scott Morrison to
41:43
Speaker 19: put in a good word. It's getting to the point
41:46
Speaker 19: where it's quite embarrassing. I mean, he's met with Argentina,
41:50
Speaker 19: he's met with Pakistan, he's met with Turkey, and he
41:52
Speaker 19: still hasn't met with Albow. Apparently they're going to be
41:55
Speaker 19: having a friendly meet and greed over a crew de
41:58
Speaker 19: tay and a glass of Champa at a reception. But
42:03
Speaker 19: it's not quite the same as front and center in
42:07
Speaker 19: the Oval Office. So it needs to happen pretty soon.
42:10
Speaker 2: There's going to be hundreds of people lurking around, and
42:13
Speaker 2: Olvo's going to be there trying to jump out and
42:15
Speaker 2: grab a handshake with Donald Trump around the punch bowl.
42:19
Speaker 2: It really is embarrassing, isn't as Stephen.
42:23
Speaker 5: Isn't it scary that our foreign policy has now been
42:26
Speaker 5: reduced to let's try and bump into people in the hallway.
42:29
Speaker 5: Gary Hardgrove on my program this morning suggests that he
42:32
Speaker 5: might meet him in the bathroom somewhere on the sidelines
42:35
Speaker 5: of one of these meetings. I mean, it's just when
42:37
Speaker 5: you say, how do you get the meeting? Look, I
42:39
Speaker 5: don't know that there's an answer to that anymore. Call
42:41
Speaker 5: a snap election. I mean, Susan Lee can't even get
42:43
Speaker 5: meetings with their own front bench, but apparently can get
42:45
Speaker 5: meetings with Congress of the United States, and our prime
42:48
Speaker 5: minister can't.
42:49
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a result of the fact that.
42:51
Speaker 5: We've got this government has gone out of its way
42:53
Speaker 5: to trash our relationship with the United States and most
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Speaker 5: of our other partners around the world for that matter,
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Speaker 5: as well. US for Albo tor self, for grandise grandstand
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Speaker 5: on the world stage, it's absolutely embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I got to say, the last time I caught up
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Speaker 2: with Albou was in the bathroom at Parliament House, so you.
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Speaker 1: Know you can.
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Speaker 2: You can try and build relationships this way.
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Speaker 1: Just on this though.
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Speaker 2: That the really serious side of this series. You know,
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Speaker 2: I talked a lot about at the top of the program.
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Speaker 2: I found Penny Wong's intervention today to be extraordinary. To
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Speaker 2: call the opposition's policy, which is different to hers but
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Speaker 2: is actually the consistent one Australia has held for decades,
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Speaker 2: to call it rogue foreign policy and against the national
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Speaker 2: interest is extraordinary. And then she goes on to say
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Speaker 2: that Israel is not seeking to end the war, and
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Speaker 2: it's like she's a bull in a china shop.
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Speaker 1: She's supposed to be our leading diplomat.
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Speaker 19: I mean, she's come out very strongly and tried to
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Speaker 19: shame the opposition and saying that Australian should be standing
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Speaker 19: behind what the government says. But that's never ever been
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Speaker 19: the role of an opposition, and the opposition is there
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Speaker 19: like the better the opposition is, the stronger they are,
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Speaker 19: the better the government. And so to somehow suggest that
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Speaker 19: Susan Lee, look, I don't personally agree with what Susan
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Speaker 19: Lee said, but she absolutely has a right to say it,
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Speaker 19: and she has a right to write to any American
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Speaker 19: politician that she wants to put her point of view forward.
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Speaker 19: It's a completely legitimate one. And I don't think the
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Speaker 19: government should be suggesting that the opposition should be rolling
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Speaker 19: over and playing nice at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just want a one party state.
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Speaker 2: Now, Stephen, back to your point about antagonizing the Americans.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's going over there to New York hoping
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Speaker 2: to meet Donald Trump, but all the publicity and all
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Speaker 2: the focus of his event is the recognition of a
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Speaker 2: non existent Palestinian state, which is a poke in the
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Speaker 2: eye to American diplomacy.
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Speaker 1: So that's a big mistake. We'll have a listen to
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Speaker 1: Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 2: He's there as well, and he's antagonizing the Americans on
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Speaker 2: another key issue.
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Speaker 20: Why should we do this when the rest of the
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Speaker 20: world isn't moving? And that's an easy message and narrative
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Speaker 20: for the deniers and delayers to communicate when there's plenty
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Speaker 20: of doom and gloom and stories about how the world
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Speaker 20: is not proceeding with action on climate change.
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Speaker 13: We know though it isn't.
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Speaker 1: True deniers and delayers.
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Speaker 2: Now again, of course Australian policy doesn't have to mirror
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Speaker 2: American policy. But if you want some attention, you want
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Speaker 2: to find some common ground with them, don't go over
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Speaker 2: there and be poking them directly in the eye on
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Speaker 2: two major global issues.
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Speaker 1: No, that's right, Chris.
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Speaker 5: But let's look at what's really happening here and look,
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Speaker 5: all politics is local. But I've never seen a government
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Speaker 5: in my time following politics that is focused on domestic
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Speaker 5: politics and using foreign policy as a tool for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole recognition of.
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Speaker 5: Palestine thing has got nothing to do with Palestine, has
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Speaker 5: got nothing to do with our relationship with Israel or
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Speaker 5: the United States. It's got nothing to do with the
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Speaker 5: Palestinian people. It's about appeasing the left wing of the
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Speaker 5: Labor Party and the union movement that are driving our
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Speaker 5: bows government. Chris Bowen the same. I'm on all of
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Speaker 5: this rubbish on climate change and climate action and net.
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Speaker 1: Zero missions, etc.
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Speaker 5: It's not about what the world's doing, it's not about
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Speaker 5: our obligations under the Paris Agreement. It's about domestic politics,
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Speaker 5: and that is not how you're supposed to run foreign.
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Speaker 1: Policy spot on.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to a little bit of reality
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Speaker 2: about the pandemic restrictions, particularly in Victoria, Susie, in your
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Speaker 2: home state, and the former health boss Sutton Brett Sutton
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Speaker 2: isn't it's given an interview to Neil Mitchell and he's
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Speaker 2: admitted at least some overreach during the pandemic.
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Speaker 16: Have a look elbow shaking. Do we really need to
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Speaker 16: go through the elbow show? We dained but was it necessary? No,
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Speaker 16: it was probably never necessary. And they look, they're the
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Speaker 16: things that we learn as we go.
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Speaker 2: Now, Susie, I think this has been over sold a
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Speaker 2: bit because he hasn't really admitted to a lot of overreach.
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Speaker 2: Remember they worlded people into a high rise tower, they
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Speaker 2: had a ring of steel, you had lockdowns. I don't
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Speaker 2: need to tell he lived through it, but he hasn't
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Speaker 2: really conceived a much ground at all, has he? Oh?
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Speaker 19: This just annoys me so much for the people who
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Speaker 19: controlled our lives and you look back. There are some
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Speaker 19: kids who haven't even gone back to school since COVID,
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Speaker 19: who barely leave their bedrooms. That mucked with people's lives
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Speaker 19: and people's sanity, and we will pay for that for generations.
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Speaker 19: To come and then he sits back and goes, oh,
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Speaker 19: maybe that wasn't necessary. Oh yeah, you know, like science
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Speaker 19: changes and they think, my God, like they were so
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Speaker 19: willing to play god. He did admit in that interview
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Speaker 19: that there was some things that weren't strictly needed by
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Speaker 19: the police, that weren't asked for by other health bureaucrats,
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Speaker 19: and they went ahead. And I just think this kind
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Speaker 19: of this alliance between him and Daniel Andrews, that they
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Speaker 19: were so tight at that time and they've both since
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Speaker 19: said that wasn't the case. Well, it absolutely damned us
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Speaker 19: for two generations. And I just it makes me so
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Speaker 19: angry to say, have him, you know, the little laugh
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Speaker 19: and say, oh maybe it wasn't necessary. Damn you, Brett Sutton,
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Speaker 19: I'm not buying it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at the risk of destroying a few television
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Speaker 2: screens around the country, I want to show you a
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Speaker 2: little bit of Daniel Andrews or remember the premiere some
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Speaker 2: of the stuff he fed out there.
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Speaker 21: Exercise is just that it's not an opportunity for seven
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Speaker 21: families to catch up.
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Speaker 1: In the park.
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Speaker 21: There will be no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors.
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Speaker 21: Whole bunch of people down the right back beage last
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Speaker 21: night who thought the best thing to do is to
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Speaker 21: go and watch the sunset. I'm sure it was a
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Speaker 21: beautiful sunset, but that's not in the spirit or in
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Speaker 21: the letter of these rules.
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Speaker 2: What a shocker, Steve, and only twenty seconds left. But
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Speaker 2: we never got that National Ryle Commission that we deserve.
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Speaker 5: The damage that these people did. I am absolutely furious
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Speaker 5: about this. We knew at the time that they were
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Speaker 5: stuffing this up. History has now proven they stuffed it up,
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Speaker 5: and they still can't openly admit that they got it
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Speaker 5: all right and take responsibility for it.
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Speaker 2: Shocking stuff. Thanks for joining us, Susie and Steven. Really
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Just a little bit of time for some
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Speaker 2: of your feedback. Onder what I've had to say about
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and the recognition of this non existent Palestinian
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Speaker 2: state to reward a terrorist organization for inflicting terror on
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Speaker 2: innocence civilians is deplorable, says one viewer.
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Speaker 1: And what a complete disgrace.
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Speaker 2: I don't mind Olbout making a fool of himself, but
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Speaker 2: when he's representing Australia, that is totally unacceptable. Well said.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. I'll be back tomorrow. Here's Peter Quiplin.