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DIDDY CAR BOMB HORROR: DESIGNER SCARF WICK, FINGERPRINTS "DESTROYED" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Ditty car bomb horror revealed.
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Speaker 1: This is we learn a designer scarf think air Mays
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Speaker 1: was used as a wick for a Molotov cocktail? Gee,
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Speaker 1: I wonder who would do that? And we learned tonight
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Speaker 1: crucial evidence fingerprints on the molotov were destroyed. Was that
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Speaker 1: came out in court? Diddy's entire team goes crazy demanding
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Speaker 1: a mistrial. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: think the judge was completely wrong disallowing testimony that the
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Speaker 1: fingerprint cards of a female perp on the molotov that's
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to come into evidence. Why
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Speaker 1: that that's critical evidence? Who destroyed those fingerprint cards? What
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Speaker 1: if those fingerprints revealed a Didty associate? And how out
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Speaker 1: of all the evidence did fingerprints and a Ditty related
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Speaker 1: bombing go missing? Wow? Okay? Joining me an all star panel?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Rob Shooter Joining me, host of Naughty
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Speaker 1: but Nice podcast can be found at Robshooter dot substack
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Speaker 1: dot com. Former longtime publicists for Shawn Combs aka Didty,
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Speaker 1: author of the four word answer Rob Shooter, did you
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Speaker 1: hear what I just said. The wick to a molotoph
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Speaker 1: In every Molotov case I'm ever investigated or prosecuted, the
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Speaker 1: wick was string, a piece of rope. Sometimes a very
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Speaker 1: rustic wit would be made out of paper twisted to
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Speaker 1: be a wick. But a design scarf, think air mais
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Speaker 1: if I'm even saying that correctly? Wow, I wonder who
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Speaker 1: did that? Didn't you say he always wore scarves.
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Speaker 2: He did wear a lot of scarfs, and he loved
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Speaker 2: a lot of luxury goods. This is a guy that
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Speaker 2: grew up pretty poor, and so when he could afford
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Speaker 2: luxury goods, he absolutely bought them. I was at his
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Speaker 2: home once, Nancy, and there were bags and bags and
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Speaker 2: bags of designer clothing that he'd never worn, that was
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Speaker 2: just sitting there in his living room, in his kitchen,
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Speaker 2: and he had never even bothered to take them out
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Speaker 2: of the bag. It's a life of excess, and ultimately
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Speaker 2: now it looks like it's a life of crime to.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting at something psychological and I need a shrink.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me
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Speaker 1: now in psycho Analyst out of la author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 1: You can see her now on peacock and she's at
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, help me find
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Speaker 1: the right psychoanalytic words. Okay, of cocktail, right?
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Speaker 3: That is?
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Speaker 1: Typically a glass container can be something else, but glass
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Speaker 1: is the best conduit. Filled with accelerant. Accelerant? What is
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Speaker 1: that gasoline toalluline? It can be anything that will blow up.
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Speaker 1: A wick is inserted into the top of the glass receptacle.
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Speaker 1: Think of a coat bottle, that's an easy one, or
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Speaker 1: a mason jar. Okay, Typically it is string, it is rope.
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Speaker 1: It is twisted newspaper, twisted paper with a nice long wick,
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Speaker 1: so the thing won't catch on fire as you're holding
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Speaker 1: it right before you throw it. You light it at
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Speaker 1: the very last moment and then throw it. We know
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Speaker 1: fingerprints have been obtained off of that molotov. What was
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Speaker 1: remaining of it? It was found in the car for
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Speaker 1: Pete's seat, kid Cutty's car. This is what I need
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Speaker 1: from you, Bethany. Think about it. Who would use an
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Speaker 1: air maize scarf? Who who would use that? Who would
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Speaker 1: destroy that? Use it as a wick? Now? Think when
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Speaker 1: you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
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Speaker 1: Think about how Sean comes destroyed all those tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars hotel suites for a freak off, the
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Speaker 1: incredible vast waste of luxury goods, money just throwing it.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the identity connected to
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Speaker 1: this Molotov.
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Speaker 4: Well, furthermore, Nancy, somebody who's very impulsive, full of rage,
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Speaker 4: not in good control of himself, perhaps on steroids other drugs.
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Speaker 4: Somebody who just grabs a gun, grabs a scarf, goes
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Speaker 4: to somebody's house, kidnaps them. I used to hear impulsivity
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Speaker 4: and agitation. So of course you're providing a link between
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Speaker 4: the air Ma's scarf and p Diddy, right, and the
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Speaker 4: excess and the waste. But I used to I see
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Speaker 4: a more profound psychological link, which is that p did
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Speaker 4: is not in control of himself in.
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Speaker 5: Any real way.
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Speaker 1: And so, like you know, it's interesting the way that
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Speaker 1: the money is thrown around. And I mean, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I've never had one, But what does a scarf like
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Speaker 1: that go for? Like a couple of thousand dollars? Could
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Speaker 1: you find that out for me?
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Speaker 2: Jack?
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Speaker 1: How much does a scarf like that cost? And why
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Speaker 1: would somebody soak it in a coke bottle full of gasoline. Gosh.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if they looked around for who went to
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Speaker 1: buy gas at nearby gas stations at that time of
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Speaker 1: the night. I bet that would be revealing, you know.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, doctor Beth, and I want to
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Speaker 1: circle back to you about the psychological profile on that
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Speaker 1: joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, combing over
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Speaker 1: every word coming from the witness stand, tell me about
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Speaker 1: the fingerprint and the destruction of those fingerprint cards.
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Speaker 6: Executors asked the fire investigator in charge of the case
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Speaker 6: about fingerprint cards that were taken from the home when
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Speaker 6: they were investigating the burglary about a month earlier. The
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Speaker 6: fire investigator said he took those slides as a part
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Speaker 6: of his investigation to see if he could match anything
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Speaker 6: that was found on the bottle inside the car, and
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Speaker 6: he said if that evidence had been destroyed, he would
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Speaker 6: have had to sign off on it. But an LAPD
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Speaker 6: officer who was not involved in the investigation at all
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Speaker 6: signed off on the destruction of that evidence. And that's
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Speaker 6: when the defense freaked out, stopped everything and called for
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Speaker 6: a mistrial.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Slow, that down one more time. You said, the
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Speaker 1: destruction of the evidence, that is the fingerprint card, was
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Speaker 1: ordered by someone not connected to the arson investigation.
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Speaker 6: Correct, That's what that fire investigator testified to and he
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Speaker 6: said he found that very very odd. That was not
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Speaker 6: typical procedure.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what was the ground for the mistrial? Diddy's fits
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Speaker 1: team goes crazy when that comes into evidence. Someone ordered
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Speaker 1: the destruction of that fingerprint card with a female fingerprint
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Speaker 1: on it? Was that female someone that worked for Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: That's the big question. Do we know who ordered the
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Speaker 1: destruction of the fingerprint evidence Sydney can't be that hard
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Speaker 1: to find out, And what was the grounds for the mistrial?
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Speaker 6: So that's exactly what the defense team is getting at.
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Speaker 6: They called that prosecutorial misconduct because the prosecutors were suggesting
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Speaker 6: that Combs ordered that evidence be destroyed and somehow paid
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Speaker 6: off investigators to make that happen.
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Speaker 1: And we already.
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Speaker 6: Heard from jurors during jury selection that they believed Combs
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Speaker 6: could buy his way out of anything. So on that
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Speaker 6: line of questioning is what the defense had a problem
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Speaker 6: with and what they said was ground for a mistrial.
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Speaker 6: Shapiro said that you can't unring that bell. But the
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Speaker 6: judge obviously disagreed.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer Philip Debay joining us
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Speaker 1: LA County Public Defender's Office, that means he's tried a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases focuses on criminal constitutional law. Debay, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I can only imagine the
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Speaker 1: grounds for the mistrial. They're worried it's going to look
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Speaker 1: like Sean Combs ordered that fingerprint evidence destroyed. That's what
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Speaker 1: they're worried about.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's one angle. The other aspect is to be
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Speaker 7: fair to mister Diddy Combs is it could be exculpatory,
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Speaker 7: and the fact that brading material was destroyed pointing the
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Speaker 7: finger directly at the party culprit is evidence that he
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Speaker 7: had no involvement in that arson. So I think the
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Speaker 7: defense is entitled to raise it. And if you can
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Speaker 7: show animus toward him on the part of it, one place,
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Speaker 7: that's grounds to kick it.
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that was the objection. Brady v. Maryland,
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Speaker 1: which is a US Supreme Court case. The State of
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Speaker 1: Maryland prosecuted Brady for a crime, and in that case,
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Speaker 1: decades ago, it was learned to state withheld exculpatory or
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Speaker 1: evidence that proves you may not be guilty withheld at
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Speaker 1: sculpatory evidence from Brady. Brady appealed it all the way
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Speaker 1: up to the US Supreme Court and one the state
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Speaker 1: must always hand over Brady or sculpatory material. Here's the reality,
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Speaker 1: don't you know? Please? You know what Deby? Get real?
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Speaker 1: If the objection the grounds for the mistrial were the
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Speaker 1: state didn't give me Brady material, they're not playing fair.
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Speaker 1: He would have learned that out in open court. If
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Speaker 1: the objection was this makes it a little sight Sean Comb's
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Speaker 1: ordered the fingerprint material the evidence to be destroyed. They
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Speaker 1: wouldn't yell that out in court because they don't want
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Speaker 1: the jury to hear it. They ran up to the
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Speaker 1: judges bench to make their objection, so it was clearly
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Speaker 1: something they did not want the jury to hear. When
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Speaker 1: I have done an objection, I have to state at
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Speaker 1: that moment objection hearsay objection leading. You know, you got
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Speaker 1: to give your objection immediately. It's like a tennis match
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Speaker 1: or a sniper. You got to hit right then you've
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Speaker 1: got to strike. But they went up to the judges
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Speaker 1: bench and didn't give their grounds from his trial in
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Speaker 1: open court.
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Speaker 7: Well, the prosecutor has a self executing duty to preserve
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Speaker 7: the exculpatory evidence irrespective of an objection, and the court
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Speaker 7: should have stepped in, Sue Sponte to say that I
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Speaker 7: find that mister Comb's rights under due process were violated
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Speaker 7: by the destruction of these prints. And now to try
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Speaker 7: to introduce evidence that it was at his hand, that
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Speaker 7: perhaps somebody was bought off to destroy these prints, that
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Speaker 7: is outrageous.
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Speaker 8: Government.
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Speaker 7: Wellfore I dismissed this prosecute.
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Speaker 1: And what the truth is? The truth? You know, you
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Speaker 1: could spin it any way you want to. Let's go
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Speaker 1: back to the courthouse again. Joining us. Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: our host of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What do you believe was the grounds
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Speaker 1: for the mistrial about the fingerprint evidence destruction? Lauren? Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there you go there?
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Speaker 9: Yes, sorry, sorry, a little fluster there, No, Nancy, it
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Speaker 9: was about the line of questioning from the government.
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Speaker 5: I think that was the issue there.
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Speaker 6: It was.
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Speaker 9: It was brought up that basically during jury selection, there
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Speaker 9: was a concern from the jurors that mister Holmes did
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Speaker 9: he could buy his way out of things celebrity could
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Speaker 9: buy their way out of things, and the way that
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Speaker 9: this questioning was praised by the government.
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Speaker 5: They inferred that the.
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Speaker 9: Print card that was discuss us was destroyed by someone
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Speaker 9: in the LAPD who was possibly paid off by Diddy. Now,
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Speaker 9: during this line of questioning, the defense did not object
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Speaker 9: until I wrote down the question. They didn't object until
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Speaker 9: maybe the second to last question, saying is this unusual
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Speaker 9: that something like this would be destroyed?
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Speaker 5: And there was an objection.
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Speaker 9: It was sustained, and this was brought up when Alexandra
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Speaker 9: Shapiro moved for a mistrial. The judge said, well, look,
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Speaker 9: you didn't object, you know, during the questioning, so we'll
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Speaker 9: go to the jury and we'll say that, you know,
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Speaker 9: you should disregard the question and you should disregard the answer.
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Speaker 9: And it got a little heated for a minute when
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Speaker 9: Alexander Shapiro recommended that the judge tell the jury that
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Speaker 9: the government made some improper questions or had some improper questions.
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Speaker 9: The government did not like that, and essentially the judge just.
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Speaker 1: Told, yes, question, I want to ask you about something
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Speaker 1: you said before I leaves the thought. Okay, stated I
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Speaker 1: think you stayd that was a lot of information. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for that. Lauren Colin. Lauren Colin
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Speaker 1: joining us at the courthouse again, Lauren, are you telling
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Speaker 1: me the defense sat there and didn't object when the
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Speaker 1: line of questioning started about the destruction of the evidence.
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Speaker 1: They just sat there, dare.
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Speaker 9: Was about two questions before they objected, And again I
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Speaker 9: wrote it down in my notes, but I believe they
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Speaker 9: objected finally when it was asked, is it unusual for
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Speaker 9: something like this to be destroyed?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 5: Man, you investigator drawing.
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Speaker 1: You know what that means when you ask a series
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Speaker 1: of questions and your culmination to a series of questions
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Speaker 1: is well, isn't all of that we just discussed in
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Speaker 1: those five or six questions? Isn't that unusual? That is
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Speaker 1: the cherry on top of the ice cream Sunday. That's
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Speaker 1: where you tie together all the questions you've asked. Oh,
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Speaker 1: my stars, are you telling me? Coms is paying millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars a day? And that whole defense thing just
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Speaker 1: sat there, sat on their thumbs and did nothing until
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Speaker 1: the whole line of questioning had almost ceased. No, there
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Speaker 1: is no ground for a mistriald. There is no ground
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Speaker 1: on appeal because the lawyers sat there deep in their
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Speaker 1: own thoughts while that line of questioning was happening. What
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Speaker 1: what what their problem? Wake up? Wake up? Brian Steele?
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Speaker 5: Well, well I did. I found my notes?
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Speaker 9: It it sounds like yeah, they they were They asked
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Speaker 9: the government asked did he authorized the prince being destroyed?
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Speaker 9: Meaning did the investigator the Arson investigator? And he said no?
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Speaker 9: And I mean, I'm not a lawyer. Should there have
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Speaker 9: been an objection there that he you know? They went on, well,
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Speaker 9: is it unusual? No, someone else would ask, right, that's
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Speaker 9: not you, that didn't work on the case or directly
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Speaker 9: on the case, and then there was an objection.
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Speaker 1: Well, frankly, I think that that should have been allowed
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Speaker 1: because now Lauren Colin, the defense, is going to be
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Speaker 1: able to argue the state can't prove these were Shawn
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Speaker 1: Colmes's fingerprints, and the state can't prove that they were
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Speaker 1: the female fingerprints of an associate or an assistant of
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Speaker 1: his without being able to explain the state that it
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Speaker 1: was destroyed by who. So now you've got this big
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Speaker 1: wet blanket hanging over the defense. Don't move Lauren Colin
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Speaker 1: straight out to rob shooter. See Rob shooter. I believe
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Speaker 1: you have a very good example of Seawan Combs's buying
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Speaker 1: off information.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 8: And I was working with Puffy.
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Speaker 2: I remember getting a phone call from a photo agency
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Speaker 2: who had photographs of Puffy on the street. He was
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Speaker 2: here in New York with a young lady that clearly
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Speaker 2: wasn't kim Porter, his then girlfriend. This was before Cassie
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Speaker 2: and him started to date. And I remember calling Puff
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Speaker 2: and making him aware of these photographs. He asked for
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Speaker 2: the contact and these pictures disappeared. He purchased these pictures
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Speaker 2: to make sure that they never ever saw the light
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Speaker 2: of day. So this is a man who knows how
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Speaker 2: to get rid of stuff that he doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: act too.
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Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher joining me. Rachelcher Fisher is an anti trafficking expert.
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Speaker 1: She was featured in a twenty twenty two sex trafficking
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Speaker 1: documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She's a forensic nurse. She's been
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Speaker 1: on so many sex trafficking and rape cases. Rachel, sadly,
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Speaker 1: you've had experience for pimps have connections within the PD.
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Speaker 10: Very often we see that there's a lot of bribery
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Speaker 10: and corruption that happens and I've seen dozens of cases
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Speaker 10: across the United States, across inter national borders of these
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Speaker 10: pimps with their power, their money. There's a lot of
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Speaker 10: money in sex trafficking, and even just the video is
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Speaker 10: produced during these activities, people purchase that people are involved.
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Speaker 10: And I've seen so many officers and I love Leo's
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Speaker 10: I love law enforcements and what they do, but they
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Speaker 10: actually purchased. They're the john's or the buyers many times
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Speaker 10: in these things, and they're the ones that are knowingly
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Speaker 10: facilitating this to happen, and so many times I see
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Speaker 10: them paid off.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Comlin joining US investigative reporter star of Pop Crime
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Speaker 1: TV at the courthouse. Lauren, tell me about the dynamic
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom today. You've been there all day long.
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Speaker 1: How is the state holding up? How is Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: holding up? I'm sure the defense is ruffled because they
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Speaker 1: had that mischild denied what else they and that's their
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Speaker 1: fault because they sat there and didn't object in a
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Speaker 1: timely manner. That's very unlike Brian Steele. I've got to
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Speaker 1: tell you, I think Still's a really good lawyer. And
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Speaker 1: I have heard that Tenny Geirgos is a really good
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Speaker 1: lawyer as well. Now agnafellow Jurry's out on that after
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Speaker 1: his debacle with Harvey Levin and the baby oil Q
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Speaker 1: and A. I don't know what to think about that,
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Speaker 1: but I know Steal's a great lawyer. I hear Girigos
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Speaker 1: is a great lawyer. So tell me the dynamic. What's happening?
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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean it got really spicy for a minute
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Speaker 9: when they were discussing the mistrial and about how the
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Speaker 9: Alexandro Shapiro wanted the language used from the judge, you know,
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Speaker 9: referencing the government. But before that happened, I would say
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Speaker 9: that Sean Holmes was pretty happy because his mother is
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Speaker 9: back in the courtroom. His three sons are here today,
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Speaker 9: justin Quincy and Christian he stopped.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're making a documentary. They're there because they're making money.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna sell a documentary. I don't know, is it
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Speaker 1: just me or has anybody else seen that camera crew
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Speaker 1: that follows them in and out of the courthouse every day?
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Speaker 9: So I since I'm in early, I don't really get
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Speaker 9: to see that, But you're right, they do come in
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Speaker 9: late every day, as does Ditty's mother. And she actually yesterday,
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Speaker 9: I didn't see it today, but she comes in with
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Speaker 9: a little cushion for her bum because the seats are
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Speaker 9: very hard. I wish I had one of those, but no, overall,
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Speaker 9: I think I think today with the testimony of the investigators,
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Speaker 9: we saw someone from the LAPD who responded to the
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Speaker 9: trespassing or burglary incident at Kid Tattie's house, and then
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Speaker 9: we saw the arson investigator.
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Speaker 5: It was a little bit slower.
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Speaker 9: We recently started testimony from Deontae Nash, that's Cassie's stylist
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Speaker 9: and friend. So things started to pick up because we
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Speaker 9: started to hear some really not nice things that Diddy
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Speaker 9: called Cassie during their relationship. We heard some explicit language hoe, slut,
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Speaker 9: b We heard that Cassie would cry.
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Speaker 1: We've already heard every filthy word and every satis she
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Speaker 1: at think of. I mean, maybe there's some more we're
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Speaker 1: going haven't dawned on me, So not surprised about any
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Speaker 1: of that. The jury's probably numb about hearing the word slut,
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? After the male sex workers came on
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Speaker 1: and testified, and they've seen those pictures and they all
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Speaker 1: look nauseous. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Can I talk
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Speaker 1: to you about the Arson investigator. This is really important,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Common because in the indictment, the Feds lay out
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Speaker 1: a series of crimes that were affected by Shawn Combs's minions. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we know that Shawn Comes was not down at the
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Speaker 1: Valero filling gas and a coat bottle. He may have
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Speaker 1: supplies that two thousand dollars airmy's scarf. Don't know about that,
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Speaker 1: but the minions prove reco using his business for crime acts.
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Speaker 1: So tell me about that Arson investigator because one of
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Speaker 1: those acts is Arson in the indictment.
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Speaker 9: Yes, So the fingerprints or the DNA, I should say,
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Speaker 9: that was lifted off of this bottle, which we found
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Speaker 9: out was an old English malt liquor bottle. There was
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Speaker 9: partial female DNA and the arsenal investigator testified that he
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Speaker 9: did not know who that belonged to. However, he did
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Speaker 9: reach out to Capricorn Clark and Cassie Ventura at multiple times.
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Speaker 9: After speaking to Scott Mescadi kid Cutty during the investigation,
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Speaker 9: he said that both Cassie and Capricorn Clark did not answer. Again,
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Speaker 9: he tried multiple times and he actually even contacted Cassie's father,
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Speaker 9: who was a firefighter, and said, please have your daughter
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Speaker 9: reach out.
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Speaker 5: She never did.
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Speaker 9: He also stated that this investigation is it's inactive, but
21:53
Speaker 9: it's also technically pending. They never actually closed it, and oh,
21:57
Speaker 9: you're going to love this. Actually, So in one of
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Speaker 9: the photos we saw there was a black glove in
22:03
Speaker 9: the backseat of the car, and that was a.
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Speaker 5: Really big point of contention for the defense.
22:09
Speaker 9: For Agnifilo, he kept saying, well, did you test this
22:12
Speaker 9: black glove for DNA and the investigator said no. The
22:15
Speaker 9: owner of the car, Scott MESKINI said that was his
22:18
Speaker 9: driving glove and he's Agnifolo said, well where's the other one?
22:21
Speaker 9: Why would a driving glove be in the back seat.
22:24
Speaker 9: So they were really focusing on this and I couldn't
22:26
Speaker 9: help think of you because I thought of OJ And
22:28
Speaker 9: then you.
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Speaker 1: Know, but another glove defense.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, my own line.
22:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see where that's going. How the defense
22:40
Speaker 1: is going to latch onto something that means nothing and
22:43
Speaker 1: then use it in the closing statement. I'm very, very
22:48
Speaker 1: curious how the jury was responding to that arson investigator
22:52
Speaker 1: And another thing, Lauren Conlin, isn't it true? That when
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Speaker 1: Capricorn Clark was on cross examination, she was questioned about
23:02
Speaker 1: whether there was a third party on the phone when
23:07
Speaker 1: they were calling kid Cuddy. Could there possibly be a
23:11
Speaker 1: witness that knows Shawn Combs went to the car bombing
23:15
Speaker 1: or ordered the car bombing.
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Speaker 9: Well, this third party was a woman named Lauren London.
23:21
Speaker 9: She's an actress, a model, really well known. And they
23:24
Speaker 9: pointed out, or the defense pointed out that yes, okay, sure,
23:28
Speaker 9: maybe she was on the phone. They elicited that from
23:31
Speaker 9: Capricorn Plark, but they then said, you know, she remained
23:34
Speaker 9: friends with Shawn Colmes well after that, so sure, I.
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Speaker 5: Mean, there could be.
23:41
Speaker 9: But we also heard from going back to the LAPD officer,
23:44
Speaker 9: he actually kind of countered some of Capricorn's testimony and
23:48
Speaker 9: the fact that when he pulled up to Kid Cutty's
23:51
Speaker 9: house after getting this call about a possible burglary or
23:55
Speaker 9: trespassing incident, he said that Kid Cutty pulled up after
23:59
Speaker 9: in his porch and he saw a black escalade parked
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Speaker 9: in front and then leave and then come back down
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Speaker 9: a hill about twenty minutes later. He saw nothing, no
24:12
Speaker 9: nothing about a chase, no car chase. He didn't see
24:15
Speaker 9: anything of the sort. So that was also kind of
24:18
Speaker 9: a moment that a lot of us were like.
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Speaker 5: Oh, okay, So there wasn't a car chase, but there.
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Speaker 1: Was an SUV on the scene of the car bomb
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Speaker 1: that was connected to Bad Boy Records run by Shawn Combs.
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Speaker 9: That was the trespassing incident, not the Molotov cotail. But yes,
24:37
Speaker 9: this police officer made sure to memorize that license plate,
24:42
Speaker 9: go back, look it up, and then yes, he saw
24:44
Speaker 9: that it was registered to Bad Boy.
24:46
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Lauren Colin. We know that Shawn Combs had
24:50
Speaker 1: gone over to Kid Cuddy's apartment and gone in without
24:54
Speaker 1: permission and opened up a bunch of presents, we think
24:57
Speaker 1: Christmas presence from Cuddy to Cassie Ventura to see what
25:00
Speaker 1: he was giving Cassie for Christmas. Question. When Cutty's car,
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Speaker 1: his Porsche was bombed, where was it parked?
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Speaker 9: So it was parked right in front of the garage
25:15
Speaker 9: or outside of the garage, and the driveway was pretty long.
25:18
Speaker 9: We saw a picture and there was also two cars
25:21
Speaker 9: other cars parked behind it. And you know, we learned
25:26
Speaker 9: during cross examination that he also had another Porsche inside
25:30
Speaker 9: of the garage and for whatever reason, investigators took a
25:33
Speaker 9: picture of that. Although I'm not sure what the connection
25:36
Speaker 9: is there, but it was just kind of interesting.
25:39
Speaker 1: So Sean comes clairvoyant that he is, predicts that Kid
25:44
Speaker 1: Cutty's car, his Porsche, is going to be bombed. He says,
25:48
Speaker 1: I'm going to bomb his car, you know. A month later,
25:51
Speaker 1: the car is bombed, and and we have him at
25:56
Speaker 1: Kid Cutty's apartment prior to the car bomb, so he
26:00
Speaker 1: knows where Kid Cutty lives. He's been there before, and
26:04
Speaker 1: he has gained illegal entrance into the apartment before. And
26:09
Speaker 1: now a few weeks later, the car is bombed in
26:13
Speaker 1: a very very dangerous way, and the jury can't connect
26:19
Speaker 1: the dots. Really, no wonder they objected and wanted a mistrial.
26:23
Speaker 1: They want this evidence out.
26:24
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think, like I said yesterday, I
26:27
Speaker 9: think yesterday and today have been just really important testimony.
26:32
Speaker 9: I mean, some of the most important testimony that we've
26:34
Speaker 9: seen so far, because it is referencing Rico in.
26:39
Speaker 5: My opinion, and you know, the.
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Speaker 9: I forget I think it was a US attorney Slavic
26:46
Speaker 9: who kind of said, you know, look, if this Molotov
26:50
Speaker 9: cotail had gotten any closer to the house.
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Speaker 5: It could have done some real damage.
26:54
Speaker 1: Did you ever see one of these anything anything like that?
27:04
Speaker 1: Sean comes his tutsie roll tutsi, rollbo even just just
27:10
Speaker 1: a niche. Yeah, that's all well and good, but we're
27:13
Speaker 1: talking about a car bomb. Joining me, Chris McDonough, Director
27:17
Speaker 1: Cold Case Foundation for my purposes, former homicide detective, literally
27:21
Speaker 1: hundreds of homicide investigations. I found him in the interview
27:26
Speaker 1: room where he is a star on YouTube. Chris McDonough.
27:29
Speaker 1: I've prosecuted a lot of murder cases and investigated even more.
27:34
Speaker 1: But I've determined after all of that, the single worst
27:37
Speaker 1: way to die is by fire, not smoke inhalation, by
27:42
Speaker 1: actually burning to death, which is what happens with a molotov.
27:46
Speaker 1: And I prosecuted and prepared a DP molotov case. What
27:53
Speaker 1: do you think about what you're hearing? And I'd like
27:56
Speaker 1: you to weigh in on the missing fingerprint card. How
28:03
Speaker 1: devastating is that to this case? And by the way,
28:06
Speaker 1: the DP went forward after I already went to court TV. Okay,
28:10
Speaker 1: sadly I didn't get in on that, but go ahead.
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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, you're one hundred percent right about the
28:16
Speaker 11: fact that if somebody dies by fire, that is a
28:19
Speaker 11: horrendous way to die. And in this situation, fortunately it
28:23
Speaker 11: was only a car and there was nobody around. However,
28:26
Speaker 11: that said that fire could have spread from that car
28:29
Speaker 11: to the property, etc. And then other people could have
28:32
Speaker 11: been put into danger.
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Speaker 8: About the fingerprint, this could be a simple situation that
28:38
Speaker 8: it was an evidence chain of custody that the statue
28:42
Speaker 8: of limitations had expired, and the evidence custodian said, you
28:45
Speaker 8: know what, this case is never going to go to
28:48
Speaker 8: a trial, let's destroy this fingerprint card. That's one possible
28:52
Speaker 8: theory in this particular problem.
28:54
Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, Chris, Chris, Chris, yep, you've been a witness
28:58
Speaker 1: of so many murder case is if that were the case,
29:02
Speaker 1: the defense wouldn't have nutted up technical legal term and
29:06
Speaker 1: they would have sat there and gone and then go,
29:09
Speaker 1: let's clarify on cross. The reason it was destroyed was
29:12
Speaker 1: simply was simply statute limitations. There would not have been
29:17
Speaker 1: chairs turning over and a whirlwind and paper slowing up
29:21
Speaker 1: in the air motion from his trial. That's not fair.
29:23
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. There's something about this that they don't like.
29:28
Speaker 1: It's like flicking holy water on the devil right when
29:32
Speaker 1: they start screaming in objection. There's a reason. It's not
29:37
Speaker 1: statutal limitations, my poor sweet naive boy.
29:41
Speaker 8: Yeah no, and I agree with you. That is just
29:43
Speaker 8: one possibility.
29:44
Speaker 12: And then of course the other, you know, the more
29:47
Speaker 12: problematic for them is he did pay somebody off. Maybe
29:50
Speaker 12: it was the evidence tech, maybe it was you know,
29:53
Speaker 12: somebody else in the chain of custody. But the cards
29:56
Speaker 12: are gone, and you know they're they're going to make
30:00
Speaker 12: a bigger deal out of this.
30:01
Speaker 11: But I think the judge is gonna you see, you're.
30:05
Speaker 1: Right, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm going
30:15
Speaker 1: to go to dobay on this trial strategy debay. You know,
30:20
Speaker 1: if it were something innocent such as what Chris mcdonnag
30:23
Speaker 1: just brought up, the defense would have sat there and
30:26
Speaker 1: let come out, let the state build up to a crescendo,
30:29
Speaker 1: Hey did did he pay to have this evidence destroyed?
30:33
Speaker 1: And then in one question on cross say you heard
30:36
Speaker 1: all of this, but isn't it true it was destroyed
30:38
Speaker 1: because of statue limitation. The case couldn't be prosecuted, so
30:42
Speaker 1: the evidence was destroyed. So all that is total bs
30:46
Speaker 1: and they would use that against the state in final
30:48
Speaker 1: closing arguments. I mean I would, but instead they writhed,
30:53
Speaker 1: they gnast their teeth and twitched their tails.
30:56
Speaker 8: Well, I have two thoughts on it.
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Speaker 7: First of all, back in those days, cops could unilaterally
31:02
Speaker 7: prepare of forms send it to the state Department of
31:05
Speaker 7: Justice seeking the ceiling and destruction of any associated, uh
31:10
Speaker 7: sort of ties to a suspect, just based on the
31:13
Speaker 7: absence of evidence. And it was clearly within everybody's sort
31:18
Speaker 7: of frame of reference that Diddy would have been at
31:20
Speaker 7: the helm of that. But back then detectives, investigating officers
31:25
Speaker 7: and the leads had authority to fill out a judicial
31:28
Speaker 7: council form, sign up on it without any signature from
31:32
Speaker 7: the DA's office, to remove it from somebody's.
31:34
Speaker 1: Record, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall. You know I heard
31:39
Speaker 1: Philip Dubay's mind numbing explanation like mine a lot better.
31:44
Speaker 1: But doctor Bethany, I have always found and again I'm
31:49
Speaker 1: just a criminal trial lawyer, all right. If it's not
31:52
Speaker 1: about murder, I don't know about it, Doctor Bethany. The
31:56
Speaker 1: mind of an arsonist, there's something pinky or about an
32:02
Speaker 1: arsonist because the pain that burning to death inflicts the
32:09
Speaker 1: watching the fire, the using the air Ma scarf or
32:13
Speaker 1: a look alike as the wick. It made something. You
32:18
Speaker 1: got to help me here.
32:19
Speaker 4: Well, I do think of Pddy because he had just
32:22
Speaker 4: found out that Cassie was seeing Kid Cutty. And when
32:26
Speaker 4: you combine explosive rage, fire, wanting to do maximum damage,
32:33
Speaker 4: trying to send a message going inside the house, ripping
32:38
Speaker 4: open packages to make sure Christmas presents, nonetheless to make
32:42
Speaker 4: sure Kid Cutty wasn't giving a gift to Cassie, the arson,
32:47
Speaker 4: in my mind, goes to the biggest signal he can
32:52
Speaker 4: send without actually killing Kid Cutty right then and there.
32:56
Speaker 4: And by the way, who knows if he if he
32:59
Speaker 4: would step Kit Cutty hadn't been home, So that to me,
33:02
Speaker 4: I just I think of impulse control disorder, explosive intermittent
33:06
Speaker 4: explosive disorder, rage, aggression, and I think of sex trafficking.
33:11
Speaker 4: I'm more well talking about Rico this morning, but we
33:13
Speaker 4: think of p. Ditty as the pimp and Cassie is
33:16
Speaker 4: his victim. You know, some other dude is coming in
33:18
Speaker 4: and taking away the dumb and he's going to scare
33:20
Speaker 4: that guy away.
33:21
Speaker 1: Joining us now a very special guest, Lisa Kennedy. I'm
33:25
Speaker 1: sure you've seen her on the airways, and you can
33:28
Speaker 1: find her at dailymail dot com, where she is a columnist.
33:34
Speaker 1: And I look forward to every single column you write.
33:38
Speaker 1: But I was especially intrigued by your ditty column. But first,
33:44
Speaker 1: just remember this, whatever happens between me and the about
33:49
Speaker 1: Ditty will always have Murdog. Remember that late night we
33:54
Speaker 1: spent together on the airwaves, me sitting out in front
33:57
Speaker 1: of the courthouse in the pouring rain, and you and
33:59
Speaker 1: your cozy studio interviewing me. Good times. We'll always have
34:03
Speaker 1: that night, Kennedy, Now to the matter at hand. Your
34:08
Speaker 1: article was amazing, but I'd like to hear before I
34:11
Speaker 1: get to that, your thoughts on what's happening in the courtroom.
34:14
Speaker 5: Now.
34:15
Speaker 1: There was just a motion for a mistrial by the
34:17
Speaker 1: defense because someone destroyed fingerprint cards that relate to kid
34:26
Speaker 1: Cuddy's arson and which, of course that would have killed
34:29
Speaker 1: Cuddy if he had been in his Porsche right. So
34:34
Speaker 1: catch this, Kennedy. In the car they find the receptacle,
34:40
Speaker 1: which can be you know, on a jar a bottle.
34:42
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of Molotov cases and who else
34:45
Speaker 1: could it be. It has to be Diddy because it
34:48
Speaker 1: was a designer scarf, a designer scarf like an air
34:53
Speaker 1: may if that's the right pronunciation, like an air ma
34:56
Speaker 1: scarf was used as a wick for a Molotov Hello.
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Speaker 3: That is no that has Diddy all over it. But also,
35:05
Speaker 3: Cassie and Diddy weren't an on again, off again relationship
35:08
Speaker 3: throughout a lot of their tumultuous union. And during one
35:12
Speaker 3: of those off periods, she was allegedly seeing Kid cutting
35:16
Speaker 3: and did. He found out about it and absolutely lost
35:20
Speaker 3: his mind because anyone and hip hop, especially someone who
35:23
Speaker 3: was more handsome and taller than him, was absolutely seen
35:27
Speaker 3: as an enemy, anyone who was a threat to his
35:30
Speaker 3: total control over Cassie. So when he found out that
35:34
Speaker 3: she and Scott had been talking, he lost his mind
35:38
Speaker 3: and he told her, he told her that he was
35:40
Speaker 3: going to kill her and Kid Cutty and that he
35:43
Speaker 3: was going to blow up his car. So she has
35:46
Speaker 3: already testified to that. Obviously, the relationship was explosive, and
35:51
Speaker 3: you know, if these accounts are to be believed, Diddy
35:55
Speaker 3: was the whip that was lit, and you know, and
36:00
Speaker 3: scendiary device was placed in his car, and who knows
36:04
Speaker 3: if it was meant to kill him, but was absolutely
36:06
Speaker 3: sent meant to send a message that you are supposed
36:10
Speaker 3: to stay away from Cassie, who was my property, and
36:13
Speaker 3: next time is going to be much worse and it
36:15
Speaker 3: will be deadly. And you know, we heard some pretty
36:19
Speaker 3: damning testimony from Ditty's former assistant, Capricorn Clark, and she
36:26
Speaker 3: she talked about how he was violent, he was threatening,
36:29
Speaker 3: her work hours were absolutely impossible, how she was kidnapped
36:33
Speaker 3: at some point. She was also forced to testify not testify.
36:39
Speaker 3: She was forced to undergo a light detector test because
36:42
Speaker 3: he accused her of stealing some of his expensive diamond jewelry.
36:46
Speaker 3: So you know, the things that she said on the
36:49
Speaker 3: stand yesterday, I don't think bode well for Didty. But
36:53
Speaker 3: you know, this is just as a civilian observer. I've
36:57
Speaker 3: met Ditty many times. It's starting back in the early
37:01
Speaker 3: nineties when he was just a record executive with an
37:04
Speaker 3: incredible year for talent, and then of course he became
37:08
Speaker 3: a hip hop performer in his own right and then
37:11
Speaker 3: an entrepreneur. And I had met him several times throughout
37:16
Speaker 3: his career, several iterations, and you know, there were always
37:20
Speaker 3: rumors that he would make vicious threats against people, and
37:25
Speaker 3: that was one of the reasons that so many people
37:27
Speaker 3: didn't come forward earlier, is they were they were fearful
37:30
Speaker 3: for their lives, They were feel fearful for their safety.
37:33
Speaker 1: He obviously Hey Kennedy, yes, you really got my attention
37:37
Speaker 1: when you said kid Cuddy is taller than Seawan Comes.
37:41
Speaker 1: What does coms have a Napoleon complex? Why can't I
37:44
Speaker 1: think he does?
37:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he does.
37:46
Speaker 5: How short is he shortened me?
37:47
Speaker 3: I'm five nine so and maybe he was wearing lips
37:50
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, or maybe he needed some or little
37:54
Speaker 3: beetle boots.
37:54
Speaker 1: You know. Kennedy, you also point out, first, let me
37:58
Speaker 1: ask you about the claims many people are making that
38:02
Speaker 1: the state just hasn't proven coercion or force and you
38:07
Speaker 1: and I agree with you completely on this point out
38:10
Speaker 1: all she endured free calls that go for days on
38:14
Speaker 1: end repeat UTI's so bad that the antibiotics wouldn't even
38:19
Speaker 1: work anymore, developing mouth sores from hours and hours of
38:25
Speaker 1: oral sex with male sex workers, gastric issue, stomach issues
38:30
Speaker 1: because of all of the drugs, getting a male sex
38:34
Speaker 1: worker urinating in her mouth till she choked and then
38:37
Speaker 1: when she complained, Combs comes over and joins in. What
38:43
Speaker 1: idiot would think this was consensual?
38:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, he joined in the ppee party, and you know her,
38:51
Speaker 3: she's she's talking about things in excruciating detail. And you know,
38:55
Speaker 3: any of the female jurors on that panel have to
38:58
Speaker 3: be listening to this going, oh my god, that is
39:01
Speaker 3: absolutely inhumane, inexcusable treatment of another human being, particularly someone
39:09
Speaker 3: you claim to care about, you know. And one of
39:12
Speaker 3: the male prostitutes said that he beat her so badly
39:15
Speaker 3: he could hear it in the other room. And when
39:17
Speaker 3: Diddy stormed out, she jumped into the Jiggielow's lap for
39:22
Speaker 3: you know, out of fear and for some kind of protection.
39:25
Speaker 3: And the guy even said on the stand, I was
39:28
Speaker 3: worried that Diddy was going to kill me.
39:30
Speaker 5: You know who was I to stand up to him?
39:32
Speaker 3: Because he's got bodyguards and a reputation and obviously is
39:36
Speaker 3: willing to make good on some of those threats. If
39:40
Speaker 3: in the middle of you know, a psychotically intimate moment,
39:44
Speaker 3: he's taking his girlfriend in the other room to beat
39:46
Speaker 3: the crap out of her, you know, he's he'll stop
39:49
Speaker 3: at nothing to silence a male prostitute who could be
39:53
Speaker 3: his entire reputational undoing a Lisa.
39:56
Speaker 1: What do you make of him parading his family in
39:58
Speaker 1: the courtroom for what I say as a production, as
40:01
Speaker 1: a prop And what do you make of people that
40:05
Speaker 1: still say Venturia state in it willingly?
40:08
Speaker 3: I think that those people really need to educate themselves
40:12
Speaker 3: about abusive relationships and the cycles of abuse. And a
40:16
Speaker 3: person with so much access, money and power, and the
40:19
Speaker 3: power he lorded over her in order to control her life.
40:23
Speaker 3: I don't think it's as simple as that. You know,
40:27
Speaker 3: she look at the bruises on her face, look at
40:30
Speaker 3: the bruises on her body, Listen to her testimony, and
40:35
Speaker 3: you know, any abuse survivor will tell you they do
40:40
Speaker 3: try and extricate themselves from the relationships over and over
40:44
Speaker 3: and over again. But that's why abusers are so terrifying,
40:49
Speaker 3: because they're so good at again love bombing you and
40:52
Speaker 3: winning back your trust, especially if part of the promise
40:56
Speaker 3: is you know, stay with me, will live a wonderful life.
40:59
Speaker 3: You're going to be a superstar. I'm the only one
41:01
Speaker 3: who can make it happen. And if you leave me,
41:04
Speaker 3: I have a laptop and a tablet full of videos
41:07
Speaker 3: of you and compromising positions, and the world will know
41:11
Speaker 3: that you are a worthless slut and you will never
41:14
Speaker 3: record or perform music again.
41:16
Speaker 6: Wow.
41:16
Speaker 1: Okay, you need to get in that court. I mean
41:18
Speaker 1: give that closing argument, Kennedy. This article that I love
41:21
Speaker 1: so much that you wrote title Kennedy's furious reaction today
41:25
Speaker 1: four of Diddy trial and the nauseating courtroom moment that
41:28
Speaker 1: will be impossible for this jury to ignore. We remember
41:33
Speaker 1: an American hero, Corporal Priscilla Pearson Pontaitula, PD Louisiana, passed
41:40
Speaker 1: away in the line of duty, leaving behind husband turned
41:44
Speaker 1: widow Larry and her wonderful children Lizzie, Brianna, Mjy, Bradley
41:51
Speaker 1: and Lily. Sentenced to life without mom. American hero Corporal
41:58
Speaker 1: Priscilla Pearson Fancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.