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#0189_ A wide-ranging conversation with Senator JD Vance covering American politics, leadership, government, culture, and major issues · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Senator, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We're similar age. We have similar accomplishments.
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  Speaker 2: We're like the same people, actually.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's good to have you here. You wrote a book.
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  Speaker 1: I pretended to. You're running for vice president. I have
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  Speaker 1: a podcast. So, but no, thank you so much. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: How has it been running at the pace you're running,
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  Speaker 3: introducing yourself to the public? How has that felt with
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  Speaker 3: a family and a life?
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  Speaker 4: Sure, sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thank you for doing this first of all.
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  Speaker 2: I know it was tough to rearrange your schedule and
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't that tough.
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  Speaker 2: It's honestly just the craziest experience of my life, right? Because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I ran for Senate once before in my life,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, we won obviously, or I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 4: Um, you know, you drive around the state of Ohio and.
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  Speaker 2: Like the back of a used Subaru because that's what
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  Speaker 2: your staff is driving. And you just, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like really cool. Cause you see the whole state, this thing,
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  Speaker 2: you see the whole country.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And, uh, like we had some of my closest
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  Speaker 2: buddies from high school joined us on the campaign trail
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. And it's, we go to Dallas,
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  Speaker 2: we go to Arizona, we go to, Nevada, we go
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  Speaker 2: back to Washington, we go back to Ohio, like in
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  Speaker 2: two and a half days, we're in all these places.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just really cool to see the country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, like in some ways it's exhausting, but
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  Speaker 2: in other ways it's like the most energizing thing that
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  Speaker 2: you're doing because I'm one of these people I like
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  Speaker 2: feed off the crowd and I feed off the people
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  Speaker 2: that I meet. And so, you know, the energy level
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  Speaker 2: is off the charts right now, which is one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons why I think that we're going to win.
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  Speaker 2: And so like, yeah, you don't sleep as much maybe
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  Speaker 2: as I'd like to. But then on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: you're just like so high on adrenaline that I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I could do this for a lot longer.
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  Speaker 4: The good thing, I mean, so we have three little kids, right?
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  Speaker 4: We have a seven-year-old, a four-year-old, and a two-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: And we've been able with a lot of family help
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  Speaker 2: to just make this kind of a family affair. So
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  Speaker 2: for Trump's big rally in Madison Square Garden in a
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  Speaker 2: couple days, my cousin is going to fly up with
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  Speaker 2: our kids and then me and my wife are going
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  Speaker 2: to go up.
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  Speaker 4: And so we'll like hang out in New York together.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: But then also do this rally at Madison Square Garden.
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  Speaker 2: My son, he's seven.
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  Speaker 4: He's the oldest.
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  Speaker 2: And it's very funny because he's really into Trump, even
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  Speaker 2: though he's never met him. And so he's like, when
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  Speaker 2: am I going to meet President Trump? And the answer
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  Speaker 2: is at this rally at Madison Square Garden. But do
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  Speaker 2: you know Don Jr.
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  Speaker 4: At all?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we chat on Instagram, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Don's a really good dude. He's one of my closest
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  Speaker 2: friends in politics. Well, he met my son at an
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  Speaker 2: event in Charlotte a couple weeks ago. And Don was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hey, who do you think is better looking,
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  Speaker 2: me or my dad?
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  Speaker 4: And my son.
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  Speaker 2: Just like dead pants, definitely the real Donald Trump. So
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  Speaker 2: I call President Trump and I tell him that, and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, that's good to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Your son's now in the cabinet. He's being vetted for
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  Speaker 3: the Secretary of State.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: So you're traveling around the country, and I'm sure you're
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  Speaker 1: meeting a lot of people. What about it?
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  Speaker 3: Has anything, any perception that you had changed when you
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  Speaker 3: were out there? Because as a comedian, I've gone around
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  Speaker 3: the country, not as much, but a good amount. And
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  Speaker 3: you see things and you do.
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  Speaker 1: Have a little paradigm shift.
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  Speaker 3: You go 20 or 30 minutes out of any major city,
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  Speaker 3: you do see more poverty than you would think. You
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  Speaker 3: do see areas that have been kind of abandoned or forgotten. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: In many of our cities, you see drug addiction, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of homelessness, a lot of kind of vacant spaces
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  Speaker 3: in the downtown area. You don't feel great about it.
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  Speaker 3: And then there are areas that are beautiful and there
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  Speaker 3: are areas where you could see people are trying to
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  Speaker 3: hold on and conserve.
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  Speaker 1: The community that they have.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of areas that, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: see that are struggling.
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  Speaker 1: And is that more evident when you're traveling around?
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  Speaker 2: I think it is because you talk to people a
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  Speaker 2: lot more. I mean, one of the paradigm shifts that
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  Speaker 2: I've had is, you know, four months ago, I'd been
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  Speaker 2: a senator for two years. I was like very frustrated
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  Speaker 2: with the policies of Kamala Harris and of Joe Biden, right?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sort of pissed off about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that I think that sometimes leads into
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  Speaker 2: is you kind of get this tunnel vision about, like,
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  Speaker 2: policy and not about the people who are actually.
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  Speaker 4: Affected by it.
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  Speaker 2: And it also, I think, honestly, being out there has
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  Speaker 2: made me more fundamentally optimistic about our country, right? Because
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  Speaker 2: you're right, there is a lot of poverty, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of problems in our cities, and I'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that in a second. But, like, you also, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I met this woman, really affected me about a month
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  Speaker 2: or so ago, And usually what we'll do is we'll
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  Speaker 2: do these rallies, but then we'll do photos with volunteers
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  Speaker 2: and just people who are helping out the campaign in
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  Speaker 2: some form or another before we do these rallies. And
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  Speaker 2: this woman comes up to me, and she's like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't afford groceries. I've been working my whole life. Things
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  Speaker 2: are really tough. She tells me that for like 20,
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  Speaker 2: 30 seconds. And then she spends three minutes talking about
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  Speaker 2: how she says a prayer every single night for me,
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  Speaker 2: my wife, and our three kids by name. She's memorized
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  Speaker 2: the names of my children, a guy she's never met,
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  Speaker 2: so that she can pray for their safety. And you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's a generosity of spirit out there that, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: can be pissed off about the policies of Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 2: and we should be, frankly, because she's a disaster. But
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  Speaker 2: we can also be, I think, more hopeful about the country.
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  Speaker 2: And that's like a paradigm shift that I've had. And
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  Speaker 2: the second thing that I realized is, you talk about cities, right?
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  Speaker 4: So obviously, you're usually flying into a city.
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  Speaker 3: Even if you're not- Has that woman who can't afford
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  Speaker 3: the groceries seen any of the dancing at the rallies
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  Speaker 3: that Because, to be honest, it is not nothing, the
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  Speaker 3: dancing that's going on.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot of good dancing.
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  Speaker 3: And if she were to perhaps see that, she could
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  Speaker 3: stop kind of being ungrateful and kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't think this woman.
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  Speaker 1: Or heard about Tim Walz's time in China? That's interesting
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  Speaker 1: that he's in China.
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  Speaker 4: That's good, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that Kamala Harris dancing at the rallies
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  Speaker 2: makes this woman feel better about not.
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  Speaker 4: Being able to afford groceries, right? Dude, there is just.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that's different about the Trump rallies versus the
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris rallies is the fake joy of the Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris rallies versus, like, we're actually having fun. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: people say, like, the media says, oh, these Trump rallies
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  Speaker 2: are so dark. And then you watch a Trump rally
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  Speaker 2: for 90 minutes, and 30 minutes of it, and this
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  Speaker 2: is the way in which running for vice president is
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  Speaker 2: kind of like being a stand-up comedian. 30 minutes is
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  Speaker 2: you just being funny as hell because he has a
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  Speaker 2: great sense of humor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you realize people actually are having a good time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pissed off about the policies of Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 2: but they're actually really having fun, and we're having fun
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 3: When I watch her rallies, I'm a terrible actor, and
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  Speaker 3: I was just in one of the worst films ever made,
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  Speaker 3: Joker 2.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a commonality you have with Kamala Harris. Yes. Well,
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  Speaker 4: you see the people at her.
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  Speaker 1: Rallies, and they'll be kind of happy, and then the
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  Speaker 1: face drops, and they go back to this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Immediately, and you go, oh yeah, something feels off. Something's
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  Speaker 3: not authentic about it, you know?
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  Speaker 4: That's definitely true.
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  Speaker 2: I've tried to put my finger on what it is
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  Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris' very fraudulent laugh that I find so off-putting.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like the laugh of.
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  Speaker 2: somebody who just made you really uncomfortable, but then tries
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  Speaker 2: to overcorrect by saying.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just going to laugh at it. And then
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  Speaker 4: that's somehow going to make.
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  Speaker 2: It better that I just like, you know, stepped on
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  Speaker 2: your foot or, like, ran into your car.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Right? That's, like, the laugh of the Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 1: Or bankrupted the country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or bankrupted the country. You know, all shapes and sizes
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  Speaker 4: of problems.
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  Speaker 1: Open the border and flood it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it reminds me, like, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: I've caused one car accident in my life. I was, like, 16. Yeah. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was late. It was dark. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it was really, like, it had been raining.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: And so I, like, it was, like, a fender bender.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, ran into this elderly couple, probably going five
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  Speaker 2: miles per hour. And then I get out of the
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  Speaker 2: car and I'm like, ha ha ha. You know, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's OK, guys. We're all fine.
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  Speaker 4: That's the Kamala Harris laugh.
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  Speaker 2: It's the laugh of somebody who just ran into your
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  Speaker 2: car and is trying to make it OK.
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  Speaker 3: It's also when a reporter asks her a question, it's
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  Speaker 3: a substitute teacher giving you homework.
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  Speaker 1: And the class is going, you don't want this.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you doing it? You don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want you to do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: Play the video. Let's not do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Let's just watch where the red fern grows
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  Speaker 2: rather than read the book.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't hear from Kamala for four years.
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  Speaker 1: She was not a vocal vice president.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we barely heard from Biden. We didn't really
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  Speaker 3: hear from Kamala. Biden had a very tough debate performance.
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  Speaker 3: He was replaced in a way that's, I mean, I...
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  Speaker 3: I liken it to somebody knocking on his door.
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  Speaker 4: A threat to democracy, maybe, just to throw.
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  Speaker 1: A term out.
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  Speaker 3: 2 a.m., they knock on his door, and he has
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  Speaker 3: a sleeping cap on, and he opens it with a candle,
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  Speaker 3: and it's Pelosi and Obama, I think.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I imagine happens.
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  Speaker 3: And he opens it up, and then they go, you're out,
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  Speaker 3: and she'll invoke the 25th, and Kamala's right behind him, laughing.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Joker, and now she's the nominee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's basically how I imagine it too. It's, man,
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  Speaker 2: and I honestly think Biden is pissed off about it.
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  Speaker 1: He seems angry.
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  Speaker 2: There are all of these weird little ways where he
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  Speaker 2: helps us. He wears a Trump hat at the firefighter event.
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  Speaker 2: He does this thing where a couple weeks ago, she
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  Speaker 2: was starting one of her big rallies, and he decides
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  Speaker 2: to have a press conference 30 seconds into it, so
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  Speaker 2: they're all watching Joe Biden and not Kamala Harris, or
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  Speaker 2: he'll say something nice here and there about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: It would not shock me if Joe Biden votes for
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I like that he's ornery, and he's showing his teeth
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, and he's having fun. He's not running anymore,
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  Speaker 3: and he's an older guy, but he's having fun. He's
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  Speaker 3: putting on the Trump hat. He's getting in a little
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  Speaker 3: fights with people at the rallies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, president Trump said at the Al Smith dinner,
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  Speaker 2: he was like, you know what? When I was running
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  Speaker 2: against this, this guy, I really hated him. Now I
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  Speaker 2: kind of like him. And I feel like that about,
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  Speaker 2: about Biden because yeah, the policies have been disastrous, but he,
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  Speaker 2: He has these flashes of honesty about Kamala Harris. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to go back to something. You talked about Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris as getting an assignment from the media from school.
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  Speaker 2: There are all kinds of weird high school vibes running
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  Speaker 2: through the Kamala Harris campaign. Yeah. So the biggest one is,
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  Speaker 2: did you see this rally that she did with Liz
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  Speaker 2: Cheney a couple of days ago, right?
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  Speaker 3: No, but I love Dick Cheney and the whole Cheney family.
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  Speaker 3: And to me, when I think about democracy, I personally
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  Speaker 3: think about Dick Cheney. He's a figure from my childhood
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  Speaker 3: that I love and respect. Some of the greatest years
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  Speaker 3: of my life, Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Dick Cheney. Shout out
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  Speaker 3: to Dick Cheney and Liz.
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  Speaker 2: If you really care about human rights and democracy, Dick Cheney,
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  Speaker 2: he's the guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's the guy. So they do this event with Liz.
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  Speaker 2: I thought maybe you were saying that because you didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to have a drone land on your house, but
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  Speaker 2: all shapes and sizes. Okay, so they're doing this event,
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  Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris gives the affect of a vice president
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  Speaker 2: who's just called the troublesome kid into her office. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be laughing at Donald Trump. You shouldn't think
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  Speaker 2: that he's funny. And, man, the joy is gone when
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  Speaker 2: you have somebody wagging their finger at the American people,
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  Speaker 2: telling them not to laugh when somebody makes a joke.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what the hell are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Their whole campaign, man, their whole campaign has become so
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  Speaker 2: dull and so boring.
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  Speaker 4: But I think it's because of what you said. They're
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  Speaker 4: not having fun anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: People are warning that this will be the final election.
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  Speaker 3: And there will be no more democracy. If you and
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  Speaker 3: Trump are elected, there'll be no more democracy. It'll be
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  Speaker 3: the final election. And these are good people. This is
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  Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs. This is the Cheney family. This is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of defense contractors.
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  Speaker 2: The people with the best interests of the American people
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  Speaker 2: at heart.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. The people who really keep the American social fabric going.
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  Speaker 1: How do you respond to that when.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a multi-ethnic family and they go, you
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  Speaker 3: and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Are racist and hate.
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  Speaker 3: Different kinds of people because you've criticized having an open border. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't help but roll my eyes at
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  Speaker 2: it at this point. And there was probably a time, honestly, six,
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: seven years ago where I really cared. You know, when
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: my book came out, I really cared what the media
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  Speaker 2: said about me. I just don't care anymore because they're
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: so obviously full of shit.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, actually, if you look, I mean, even just you
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  Speaker 2: talk to, like, working and middle-class Latino voters, they hate
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  Speaker 2: the open border even more than like my family from
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  Speaker 2: rural Ohio and Kentucky, because they don't like having their
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: wages undercut that, you know, when the cartels are doing
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  Speaker 2: business in their communities, it's the Latinos that are actually
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  Speaker 2: the most pissed off about it.
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  Speaker 4: So I just kind of roll my eyes at it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, you have to have a
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  Speaker 2: certain sense of humor about American politics and it's easy
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  Speaker 2: to do when you're running against Kamala Harris and you're
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  Speaker 2: running with Donald Trump. Because as much as he obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think they've done more to him
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  Speaker 2: than any presidential candidate in my lifetime. He still actually
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  Speaker 2: has an amazing sense of humor about the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: And oftentimes, like, you know, I call him obviously like
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  Speaker 2: every day at this point, talking about the campaign, but
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  Speaker 2: he always ends up cracking a joke.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's in part because he knows, like.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's good for me in that moment is we
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  Speaker 2: gotta laugh about some of this stuff or we're gonna
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: go crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is now, we're in October, we've got about
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: two weeks left, so now every single day there's some
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: article coming out in a publication that Donald Trump said
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: something Hitlerian or about Hitler or about like, so it
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  Speaker 3: does seem to me that the hysteria is at a
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  Speaker 3: fever pitch.
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: It really is.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about John Kelly who did come
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  Speaker 3: out and say, Trump is a fascist and this is
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  Speaker 3: fascism and all of that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the amount of stock the media
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: puts in a disgruntled ex-employee. I mean, John Kelly was fired, right?
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  Speaker 2: And look, he served his country, but he was fired,
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  Speaker 2: and he's pissed off about Trump over that. And if
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: you talk to the people who were in the room
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  Speaker 2: when Trump allegedly said these things that he said, even
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: like Mike Pence's former chief of staff are saying, it's
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: totally made up, it's a total lie. But here's the
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: really interesting thing, right? Three, four years ago, the media
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: were all calling John Kelly an evil racist for helping
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: to promote Donald Trump's border policies. And now it shows
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: how thin this is, right? Like Dick Cheney, who I
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: legitimately think is the single worst vice president easily of
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: my lifetime.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: But effective.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Well, effective at like destroying the country. Well, that's what
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I meant. And maybe that's why he's endorsing Kamala Harris.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: It's like finally somebody's come along who's been even worse
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: than I have is Kamala Harris. But the fact that
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: the media now pretends that he's like some hero of human.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Rights, the guy was a disaster. I mean, we invaded Iraq.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: We invaded the 20-year quagmire in Afghanistan. All of these
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Americans who lost their lives, who lost their limbs, that
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: was because of very stupid leadership. And now we're going
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: to forget about it because the media hates Donald Trump.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: It's the most insane thing I've seen in politics. Okay,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: threat to democracy. I figured out what a threat to
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: democracy is. is when the American people vote for somebody
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: the media doesn't like, right? And that's not, like, definitionally,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: that's not a threat to democracy. That's a fulfillment of
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: democracy that even though the media lies hysterically about Trump,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: the American people still want, like, to be able to
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: afford groceries and housing.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: The worldview, whether we call it Cold War liberalism or However,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: we want to frame the worldview that America is an
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: empire and must continue to be one at all costs
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: with running up trillions of dollars worth of debt, getting
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: involved in foreign conflicts anywhere from the Ukraine or the
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Middle East.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: There are people now saying we need to invade Iran.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: And that if America steps back on the world stage,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: that it's a power vacuum that's going to be filled
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: by China, by Russia. and that America should continue to
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: pay for the defense of all of these European countries
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: and that America should kind of shoulder that burden. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: my generation, we saw Iraq, we saw Afghanistan. We've also
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: seen lots of our friends go away to fight those
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: wars and come back and not have mental health care
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: and not have support from the government. We don't feel
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: safer Because we invaded Iraq, we don't feel safer because
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: we spent 20 years in Afghanistan. I don't know what
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: we spent 20 years doing. But all the people, but,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you know, the 10 richest counties in America are in Virginia.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: And there's something interesting about that fact that all of
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: those people.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Are dependent upon America constantly having enemies.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And not like Virginia coal country, right? No. The collar
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: counties around D.C.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, around D.C.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: And all of these people have an investment in the
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: United States of America.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Continually going to war.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Yep. And those are the people who seem to be
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: speaking out the loudest against York candidacy and Trump's candidacy. Exactly.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Because you threaten something, a power structure that has been
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: in place for a very long time. This has been
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: spoken about by the military industrial complex.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Eisenhower famously spoke about it. I believe it's FDR. Maybe
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it was TR.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Somebody said a financial element in the government has owned
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: it since the days of Andrew Jackson, meaning there are
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: agendas that other people have Now, is that why we're
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: seeing people like Dick Cheney and people like Kamala Harris
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: where you would think they don't have much in common
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: on the same side? Is it because that positioning is
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: so important and integral to the amount of.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Money being made?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And are you guys the greatest enemy of both of
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: those positions?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Factions of those parties?
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I think about it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: So I think there are three issues where for 40 years,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats have basically fundamentally agreed. And I'll list
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: them an issue of importance to that, you know, call
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it the uniparty, call it the conventional wisdom. Number one
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: is foreign policy, that we should basically stick our nose
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: in every foreign conflict. And that doesn't mean we should
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: never get involved, of course. But by and large, most
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: of the wars that we fought over the last 40
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: years have been a total disaster for the American people.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And frankly, for a lot of the countries we've been fighting.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And so Foreign policy is the first and most important
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: issue to that consensus. The second most important issue is trade.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Massive investment in what I would call shipping our industrial
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: base to countries like China and Mexico, which has eviscerated
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the American middle class, but it's made a lot of
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: bankers rich.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: And then the third thing is immigration.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: The idea that you should have effectively unlimited borders checked
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: only by the political will. Every political party has tried
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to make it easier to bring more and more people
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: into the United States of America. Now, the interesting thing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is that on all three of those issues, on immigration, trade,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and foreign policy, the American people have consistently been out
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: of step with their leadership, and they keep on not
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: actually having an alternative. Who has been the candidate of
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: free trade is not good for the American middle class?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Who's been the candidate of we've got to check our
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: immigration system?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Who's been the candidate of stopping the stupid wars?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Basically nobody in 40 years with the lone exception of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: my running mate, right, of Donald J.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Trump.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's where we are, and you're right. That's
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: why Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney, and that's why all
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: these people hate him. I think it's interesting, Tim. to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: think about the motivations here, because two years ago, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: would have said it's all financial, right? Dick Cheney, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: he's getting rich from these wars. Kamala Harris's donors are
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: getting rich from these wars. And that's like the only
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: reason why they're supporting them. For what it's worth, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: do think there's an element of truth to that, right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Eisenhower warned about this. The military-industrial complex has its own
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: self-fulfilling momentum. But I think there's a second thing that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I've picked up on. And, you know, a lot of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: my Senate colleagues disagree with me on foreign policy. They're
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: very good people. There's like this psychological... post-World War II,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you called it Cold War liberalism, where these guys remember
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: when America could do anything, we were like the agents
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of peace in some cases, in some cases we weren't,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: but we could just fix the world purely through American will.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And they grew up in that world.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: And they're having.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Psychological difficulty accommodating to a world where China has gotten
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: more powerful, in part because of their policies, Russia has
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: gotten more powerful in part because of their policies.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: And we can't just dictate everything.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: We can't tell everybody how to behave anymore because sometimes
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: what happens is we'll try to tell another country what
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to do and they'll say this, right? And that's very,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: very hard for these guys to wake up to the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: reality that we're in. You know, if we were in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: what was called a unipolar world, right? America was the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: only superpower.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And we were for a while.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: We were for a long time. Now we're still the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: lone superpower, but other countries are catching up. And I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: think the way to preserve our own influence, but more importantly,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to preserve the prosperity of our own people is to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: recognize the reality that we're living in. A lot of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: people can't, I mean, like, you know, they go back to,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you know, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, right? Ronald
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Reagan's big moment, or, you know, George H.W.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Bush.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was like a blip on the radar
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: for us to completely crush Saddam Hussein and kick him
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: out of Kuwait, right? They want to go back to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the glory days when America could do everything and be
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: all things. They got to wake up to the world
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of resource constraints. And frankly, the reason why we're not
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: as powerful in relative terms as we were 30 years
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: ago is because they screwed up, right? That's where the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: trade and immigration issue comes back is they want to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: pursue a foreign policy that was built on the back
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of smart trade and smart immigration policy. They hollowed out
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the American middle class. They destroyed the industrial base of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: our country.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, crazy statistic. China, we're still the biggest economy
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: in the world.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: China is 32% of global manufacturing GDP, okay?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: We're 18% of global manufacturing GDP.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So even though we're still by far the biggest economy
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in the world, China makes nearly twice as many manufactured
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: goods as we do. That is the engine of real
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: economic prosperity is manufacturing. These guys want us to fight
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: wars like it's 1954. It's not 1954 in thanks in
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: large part to them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: How do you change that? How do you shift that?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: That's very difficult, right? Because you have a lot.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Of unelected people. We have 19 intelligence agencies.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's around, I think it's about 19. Which
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think is enough.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: It's a lot?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's enough, personally. But there's 19 of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: them or.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Something like that. I think we had 22 intelligence agencies.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's actually when we would really, I think, have figured
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: out this all.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: That's who, because everybody's worried that you and Trump are
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: going to fire some of those people. And that's what
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I think most Americans are worried about. I think most
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: people are worried about the CIA.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And government employees. My parents are worried about the Central
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Intelligence Agency and if they're making enough money. This is
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: what my grandmother worries about. What do you say to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: people that are worried about people at the NSA? No,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and the DIA, the Directorate of Intelligence. People forget about
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: that one. It's a little room in the bigger one.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Look, I want to speak from the heart here to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: my fellow Americans who are really worried that a CIA
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: bureaucrat making $ 190, 000 a year.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Might have to find a job in the private sector.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I recognize that is the biggest crisis facing my fellow Americans.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Not that they can't afford groceries and housing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: People can eat less so that Homeland Security can be
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a little bigger.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I like knowing that my neighbors are getting spied on.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like people getting on lists.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Well, it's actually really a win-win.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Something I'll say in Kamala Harris's defense is, yes, she's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: made it harder for Americans to afford housing. But that's
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: been in the service so that the CIA can more
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: easily spy on our fellow Americans.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: That's right. So, look, this is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Where sometimes there's tradeoffs and sometimes there's whips.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: You're a big critic of online censorship. Don't you realize
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: it's good for people? Don't you realize it's good?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: To not be able to speak their mind?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You know, people don't even know what they want to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: say half the time. Why not?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Have a service that you, like an AI where you
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: speak into it and it rearranges it so it gets
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: what you mean.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm actually, I would be okay if we just
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: censored Kamala Harris. I think she would be okay with
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that too. I think she'd be better in the polls
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: if she just didn't say anything. That was of course the.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Strategy of her campaign.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Have you met her?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: She's probably fun.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: She's fun. You know who's fun?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: You know who I bet is fun? This is a
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: rare moment of bipartisanship. No, no, no. Hunter Biden. Well,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: of course.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I I would, with all due respect to you, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: would vote for him over anyone in the race. Just
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: because if we're going to end this thing, let's do
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: it quick. Let's do it in six months. Oh, man.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: My cousin is like a hardcore Republican, and she's like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you know what I can't get behind you guys on
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: is the anti-Hunter Biden stuff. Like that guy, I guarantee
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he's fun. He's a fun guy to hang out with, right?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know about, I've met Kamala Harris once. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: honestly don't know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if she's fine. There's too much of a schoolmarm
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: thing going on. I just don't know. I don't think
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: that that would necessarily be a.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Lot of fun.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: So how do you deal? You have a bunch of, yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is the person who, when you tell a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: really funny joke, she says, well, that was kind of offensive.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: But then I say, I look at her and I go,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: but you're a genius. And then she likes me again.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, if you say, if you tell a really
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: offensive joke, he laughs his ass off and says, let's
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: do another shot.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Let's do it again.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Let's light the house on fire. So how do you
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: deal with this? You get into office. Now, people are
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: all mad about Project 2025. People don't like it because
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: it's a. Heritage Foundation wrote a whole thing saying that
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you're going to dismantle the entire federal government and sell
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it off for parts.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: This is the craziest thing to me. So Heritage is
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a nonprofit with no affiliation with the Trump campaign.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: That's right. They wrote a 900-page document, okay?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: If you take any 900-page document that exists anywhere in
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the world, I'm going to find something that I hate
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: about it and something that I like.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: About it, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: So they've tried to pick up every little thing that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is unpopular and say, this is Trump's agenda.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with Trump.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: But to your point, like, yeah, Donald Trump and I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: really do want to like make the federal bureaucracy smaller.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: We think there are way too many bureaucrats collecting a check.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We think that's bad for Americans because they have to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: pay those people's salaries.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: But most importantly, it's bad for Americans.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're doing things like spying on their fellow citizens,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: which is, which is fundamentally bad.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So Here's a crazy story, and I just learned more
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: about this the past couple days. There was a Wall
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Street Journal story about how the Chinese had hacked into
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the Verizon and AT & T networks. You probably didn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: see this story. It didn't make a whole lot of waves.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: My understanding is that part of the infrastructure that they
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: hacked into was built on top of surveillance systems that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: were implemented in.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: 2001, Patriot Act-style stuff.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So we're worried about the civil libertarian element of that,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and rightfully so. I don't want American citizens to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: spied on. But the more important in some ways is
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we're creating a backdoor in our own technology networks that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: our enemies are now using.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. And again, no one.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Is going to accept responsibility for it. No one's going
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, we screwed up. Let's do something different.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: This is the biggest problem I have. All policy disagreements aside...
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the refusal of people to take responsibility and say, you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I screwed up.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Right. Okay?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: That is the biggest thing that's messed up about American
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: government politics. Like, look, I had a lot of friends.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was 18 years old. What the hell
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: did I know? I supported the Iraq War when I
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: was 18 years old.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I feel bad about that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Like, I genuinely feel bad that as a high school
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: senior in Middletown, Ohio, who then enlisted in the United
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: States Marine Corps, like I did my part, I feel
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: bad about it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: There were people in Washington... Well, I stopped short of that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I supported it in backyards, yelling, watching a lot of Fox,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: but I stopped quite short.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Look, man, we all have to serve in our own roles.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: We all have a part to play.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But the guys who pushed it, they're still collecting multi-hundred.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Thousand dollar a year salaries.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: They're on MSNBC.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: They're on MSNBC. They still have influence, and they've never said,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: we screwed up. Like that is the thing that bothers
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: me the most about Washington DC is nobody accepting responsibility
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: for failure.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Cause if you can't do that, you can't fix the problem.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Well, now it seems to be that we're shoehorning domestic
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: issues into foreign policy, meaning that you can no longer
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: sell a war by saying we're there to democratize a
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: country or we are there to preemptively invade a country
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: before they attack us. But we can say we are there, uh,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: so that, um, drag queens in whatever, in Russia can
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: have more.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Of a say Well, you asked why we were in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan for 20 years. It's like because the Afghanis really
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: needed to learn about gender studies and the importance of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the non-binary gender approach that we have in the United
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: States of America. I mean, you think I'm kidding. Your
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: tax dollars, my tax dollars, were funding programs in a country...
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: where a lot of people didn't have running water. We're
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: funding programs to teach people that there were non-binary genders
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: That I do agree with because it is fun. and
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I do want to see someone with a Kalashnikov standing
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: in the rubble, and then someone explaining that to them
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: to me is fun, and I support that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure the Taliban had a lot of fun learning
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: about 87 genders. That's probably true.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Why can't a seven-year-old consent to a life-altering... medical surgery,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: is it because you guys are fashion? I don't understand,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: like why wouldn't you allow an eight year old to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: fully transition?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Not only that, but they want us to use our
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: tax dollars to try to force other countries to follow
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: this ridiculous pathway.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Which, by the way, I know a little bit about
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: your politics. I know you're pretty libertarian.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: This is actually something I agreed with the old guard
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: left about, that we should be, whether it's in defense
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: or whether it's in medical industry, we should be worried
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: about when a profit-motivated entity tries to manipulate government policy.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And right now we have pharma companies making billions of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: dollars off of cross-sex hormones for children... And nobody's nobody
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on the left is like, huh, that's kind of weird
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: that the very people who are getting rich off of
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: this are also lobbying the American Medical Association and the U.S.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: government to force this on American citizens.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It should have.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I think it should have stopped the show. Glee was great.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Everyone was singing and everyone was happy. No, it truly was.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And like people weren't. It wasn't so contentious, but then
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: it got to a point where somebody like me, who's
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: been a gay out-of-the-closet person for 15 years, I'm going,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: why in God's name would a 5-year-old, a 7-year-old, a 12-year-old,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: a 14-year-old be taking puberty-blocking hormones, be transitioning, be making...
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Leave kids alone. Leave people alone. It's very simple. A
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: lot of gay people feel that way. There are trans
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: people that feel that way. There are people all over
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the spectrum that feel that way. None of them are
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: ever listened to. It is the most extreme, loudest voices
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: in that movement that are listened to.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what really radicalized me on this issue was
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I was actually talking to a friend who, you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: like really disagrees with my views on transgender politics. And
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, frankly, like kind of rejected our friendship because
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I came out against this. I came out in support
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of banning gender transition for minors during my Senate campaign.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And like what really radicalized actually is during that conversation,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: she said something to me that I was like, wait
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a second, is this real? She said the hormonal therapy
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: for minors is is totally reversible, right? So the way
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: they sell this is it just delays puberty. But then
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: if you stop taking the drugs, everything resumes as normal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: That is totally and profoundly wrong. false.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It can't be true. There's no way that's true.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: When I heard it, I was like, that sounds totally
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: effing crazy. It turns out it is actually crazy. Also,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not a great policy. Even if it was true, probably
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: not good. Probably not good because you don't want 30-year-olds
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: going through puberty, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: But even if it was true... Problem, but it's not true.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Kids have permanent sexual dysfunction, permanent serious health problems when
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: they take this stuff, which is totally predictable. Again, one
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: of the humanity-long lessons we should take is that when
• 33:35
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• 33:39
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• 33:43
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• 33:44
  Speaker 4: You need evidence before you really do something like this.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I just don't know how we got in this country
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: to why can't a nine-year-old.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Girl have a beard?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know where from Glee, everyone's saying it was
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: gay enough, perhaps too gay, and then it went to
• 33:59
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• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've actually heard this. I'm not a gay guy,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: but I've heard this from gay friends of mine.
• 34:08
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• 34:13
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• 36:36
  Speaker 2: But I've talked to this about gay friends who feel
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: like very personally affronted about this because they feel like
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: if they were, you know, a gay kid and they
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: were 14 years old, And maybe they're confused. Like, by
• 36:50
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• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of non-gay teenagers are confused because being a teenager is
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: like inherently confusing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: But they're, they're worried about like, would somebody have had
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: them transition?
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: In some ways it's like the new, it's like the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical answer to conversion therapy.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Is, Oh no, no, no, no.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: You know, you're not gay.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Right. You're a totally different gender. The other thing I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: don't get about this man, like the inconsistency here is
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: crazy where, it's they want to simultaneously tell me that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: the gendered binary is screwed up, that male and female
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is way too simple, that there's all this crap in
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the middle. But when you have a person go on
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: cross-sex hormones, they put on super petite dresses and high heels,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and they act like the most stereotypical version of a girl,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: a male transitioning to female. It's like, okay, well, wait
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a second. Is the gendered stereotypical binary bad? Or is
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it actually good? Because every time somebody takes these hormones,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: they start acting like Dylan Mulvaney.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: No. What happens, I think, we've allowed the debate to
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: be defined by a very extreme portion.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It's not about logic.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It's about people throwing tantrums and people going, you have
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: to agree with me.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to compel you to agree with me.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Kids should be left alone. My parents were boomers. I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: was ignored.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I was left alone to do, you know, whatever. And,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: you know, perhaps that's not great, but we shouldn't be telling.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: You turned out okay.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I turned out fine, you know. Now I'm not the
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: vice president, you know what I mean? But, you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I have a Rolls Royce.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So here's, you know. But the thing is.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I think you're winning in that trade-off. I can't even
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: drive anymore thanks to the Secret Service.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It's going to get blown up soon. That's going to be.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I don't see why we're telling kids about. critical race
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: theory or gender theory? Why are we not educating people
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: in math, in reading, in science? Why are we indoctrinating children?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: And I don't know too many people who are for that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: If you meet people in the real world, none of
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: them go. Five-year-olds should learn about identity politics, and nobody's
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: No, nobody is.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Very few people are.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: And this one I actually feel very personally passionate about
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: because this affects my family, right?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And my wife and I talk about this all the time.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: So her parents, born and raised in South India, they
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: moved to San Diego a couple years before she was born.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So she's born and raised in San Diego, right? Okay,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: so she is Indian American, but she's like the most discerning,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: like she's an American, right?
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Fundamentally, she's an American. And we talk about like, okay,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: we were able to fall.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: In love in part because we grew up in the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: 90s where everybody was like, yeah, okay, it's not perfect. Obviously,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: there's still racism out there, but like, you know, judge
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: people based on who they are, not on these like
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: immutable characteristics on their skin color. Just judge people based
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: on whether you have similar values, et cetera, et cetera.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And because of that, we met, fell in love, we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: had a family. My family's always been welcome to her
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and vice versa. And my mom actually put this in
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a very interesting way that the more that she's noticed this.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: In the last few years, that people are obsessed that we.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Have mixed race children. And are they brown, are they white,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: are they Indian, are they American? And my mom's just like, well,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: they're our babies. That's who they are, they're our babies.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I think that if you really inflame the racial consciousness
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: of people, if they fundamentally think of themselves not as
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: human beings or as Americans, but as members of a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: racial group, that's just going to fundamentally lead to strife.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: In some ways, you want to emphasize the commonality that
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: we have as fellow citizens. You don't want to say, okay,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you're black, so this means this thing about you and
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that thing about you. And you're white, so this means
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: something totally different. And that obviously to me just common
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: sense would lead to conflict. And again, I'm not saying
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: it was perfect, but if you look at both black
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and white Americans, they say that race relations are worse
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: now than they were 20 years ago. So we've ran
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: this experiment of hyper-identity politics-focused racial consciousness, of constantly emphasizing
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: if you're black, you're oppressed. If you're white, you're an oppressor.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: If you're black, you're colonized. If you're white, you're the colonizer.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: We've run this experiment now for 20 years.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: It's bullshit. It didn't work. It's made people hate each other.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to just trying to emphasize that we're
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: all human beings.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: We're all Americans.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: A thousand percent. Now let's talk about a topic slightly
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: less controversial, Israel. Because no one seems to have any
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: issues with anything they do, which I like because some
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: countries people get angry at. Obviously, what happens on October
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: 7th is a nightmare. Then you have a response to that,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: which was also a nightmare. You have a humanitarian crisis
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: in Gaza. You have displacement of people. You have a looming,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: potentially larger war in the Middle.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: East with Iran.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: You were the vice president.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: How does the Trump administration handle what could be a
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: massive crisis you know, Mideast war, you know, after everything,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: obviously we just talked about, about like getting America back
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: on track and figuring out how to allocate resources to
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: people in this country.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: How do we handle that?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, a couple of principles, right?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, Israel has the right to defend itself,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: but America's interest is sometimes going to be distinct. Like
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: sometimes we're going to have overlapping interests and sometimes we're
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: going to have distinct interests and, And our interest, I think,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: very much is in not going to.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: War with Iran, right?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: It would be a huge distraction of resources. It would
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: be massively expensive to our country. And it's interesting to me,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when the October 7th thing happened, and, like, you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: we have a couple of dear friends who live in Israel. Actually,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: one of my wife's very good friends she grew up
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: with married an Israeli guy. Like, you know, we're, like,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: worried about our friends. And in the reaction to it,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: what I noticed is.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: That American, you know, American.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: pro-Israel people or people who fashioned themselves as pro-Israel were
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: actually much more militaristic than the Israelis who were living
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: in Israel, right? The Israelis were like, okay, Hamas just
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: attacked us. We're going to go really screw Hamas up.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And of course, yeah, there's a humanitarian side of that.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And we want to try to minimize civilian casualties. But
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: like you had Americans saying, oh, this is really, I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: you know, this attack happened on.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Putin's birthday, right? So we need to go to war
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: against Russia.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And obviously the Iranians funded part of this, so we
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: need to go to war with Iran. We just have
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: to be smarter, right? We have to be smarter. Now,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I think we should be very strongly encouraging the Iranians
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and using all the influence that we have to encourage
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: them to not have a nuclear weapon.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I think nuclear proliferation is just a bad idea.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Enough people have nukes, and the more people that have nukes,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I think the greater the risk of nuclear war. But
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: we just have to be smart about it. And I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: actually think that what this ultimately looks like.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: What if they promise not to use it?
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Like if you just had one, a fake one, something.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: To look at. A fake one, fine. They can have
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: a fake one.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Something to look at.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Not a real one, though.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Here's the way I think about it. This is, again,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: where smart diplomacy really matters. And something that Trump didn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: get enough credit for is the Abraham Accords. What is
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords? Fundamentally, it's Israel entering into a alliance, right?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Even though they kind of hate each other, Israel entering
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: into an alliance with Gulf Arab states. Now, why would
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: they do that since they hate each other? Because they
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: both have a shared enemy in Iran, right? And again,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying we stick ourselves into the Middle East
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and start a war here, but like we recognize, okay, Israelis,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Gulf Arab states don't like Iran. So let the Israelis
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and the Gulf Arab states provide the counterbalance to Iran
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and America doesn't have to constantly police every region of
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the world. We should empower people to police their own
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: regions of the world, right?
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: And one, we would save a lot of money. Two,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: we'd save a lot of focus.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: But unfortunately, I think Harris, she's got this weird thing
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: where I actually think she kind of likes war. Maybe
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: she feels like a tough guy about it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know why it is.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: But they've actually pursued, even though they say they want
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties... They pursued the pathway that
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: maximizes those casualties.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: They say that they're pro-Israel.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: They've pursued the pathway that has prolonged the war as
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: long as possible, which is bad for Israel. And they
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: seem to be sort of sleepwalking us into a war
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: with Iran. It's like the dumbest of all possible worlds.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to avoid a conflict between China
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and Taiwan?
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I hope so, man. I really do, because it would
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: be catastrophic.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It would be, you know, my whole argument with Russia
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and Ukraine is, yeah, okay, Russia shouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: But a lot of innocent people are getting killed. Our
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: interest is in peace.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: But part of that is motivated by my view that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Ukraine is not nearly as important to us as other
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: regions of the world.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Just putting my cards on the table.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Taiwan makes so much of the computer chips, which is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: such a driver of all economic growth, that if the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Chinese took over Taiwan, it would be really bad for us.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: That's what I think.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: My hope is that the Chinese recognize that it would
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: be so costly to invade Taiwan that it's just not
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: worth it, right? And I think our policy, Donald Trump's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: policy of yes, we're competitors with China, but we're also
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: gonna engage in smart diplomacy from time to time is
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the way to prevent China from invading Taiwan. What I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: really worry about actually is, so we win in a
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: couple weeks, and I do think we're gonna win. I
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: really worry the next couple of months, do the Chinese
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: try to do something? Because if there was ever a
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: time when America was at its weakest, It's with Joe
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Biden sort of asleep at the wheel, Kamala Harris licking
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: her wounds from an election loss. And if they really
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: want it, maybe they try to make a play for
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it in the next couple of months.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I hope they don't, but we can't really control what
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: they do.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: It is an interesting time right now because we are
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: two weeks out, and this episode will come out Saturday
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: from this Saturday, tomorrow, a momentous election. We had an
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. A couple.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: A couple.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: A couple of them.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's crazy.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Are you satisfied with the accountability on the first attempt?
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And look, my understanding is that, frankly, the Trump campaign
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: had requested additional resources, and those resource requests were very
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: often denied. And what the Biden folks, what the Harris
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: folks have been saying is, well, some of those requests
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: were granted. Yes, some of them were, but not all
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of them, right? And so I think there was very
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: serious oversight on that side of it. I mean, look,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: obviously somebody screwed up because the guy was 120 yards away.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Are you a shooter? No. Okay.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I served in the Marines. I'm a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: pretty good shot. I've gone to fields, though.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I've gone to, like, open fields and kind of walked
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: around like a fair.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I've never climbed on a roof and shot someone, not
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the president.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't fly drones.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I mean like a sportsman, right? Yeah, no, I got you.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: I didn't ask.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I was asking if you had a confirmed kill.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, if you are a sportsman or
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: you are a person who goes to a range and shoots,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: 120 yards with an AR-15 is a pot shot. I mean,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I could literally hit a silver dollar from 125 yards
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: with an AR-15. And okay, so somebody clearly screwed up.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And I like obviously I've gotten to know the Secret
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Service over the last three, three months. The guys on
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: my detail universally super professional good guys. But it's not
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the guys on the ground who are protecting the president.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: It's all the people who are canvassing the side around them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: It's the leadership that refused to grant resources. And I
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: actually think it's a huge scandal. Like, why isn't Congress?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Why isn't the Harris administration being more forthcoming about what happened?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They seem to be in cover your ass mode. when
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: the American people just need to actually learn some details
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: about how a guy got so close to the President
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of the United States.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, obviously there's a lot of people in
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: the intelligence community that are incredible patriots who are grateful
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: for what they do and have kept America safe.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: But some of them aren't. Some of them aren't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And my question is, when you have social media companies
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: agree to censor a story about Hunter Biden's laptop, and
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: because it is supposedly Russian disinformation, that request is signed
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: on to by top members of the intelligence community, current
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: and former, and they are spreading the narrative that it
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: is a Russian hoax of a story. Is that election
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: interference by members of the intelligence community? What does that
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: say about the democratic process in this country? These are
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: the people that are lecturing constantly about democracy and how
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: important it is and what a threat you are and
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: President Trump to democracy. There's no accountability.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Have they said sorry? I mean, has anyone, you know, like.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: They haven't said sorry.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: None of them have lost their security clearance.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Right. Despite participating in a massive hoax. Right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Look, I firmly believe and I've seen independent analysis that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: suggests this, that if the American people had known the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: full truth about the Hunter Biden laptop, because it implicated
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden himself. in potentially criminal but at least corrupt wrongdoing, right?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So I think it would have shifted the election. I
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: think Donald Trump would be the president of the United
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: States right now. And this is always why I get
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: into it with the media and they say, oh, there's
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: no evidence that this thing and this thing happened. Well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: there might not be any evidence that like Dominion hacked
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the voting machines, but there sure as hell evidence that
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: our intelligence community conspired with big tech to literally control
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: the flow of information in the days and weeks before
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: an election. That's a way bigger threat to democracy than
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump making a joke that you don't like, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: yet we don't.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Talk about that.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: And when we're on the subject of threats to democracy,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: the craziest thing that happened in the Trump administration, in
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: my view, in terms of threat to democracy, is– and
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: there was a New York Times story about this– that
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the leading generals in our country were lying to Donald
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Trump about troop redeployments in Syria– so that they could
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: say that we were drawing troop levels down, but in reality,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: we weren't. They were staggering how they did the redeployments
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to hide from the commander-in-chief what they were actually doing
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: with the military. The most fundamental principle, going back to
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: George Washington, is civilian control of the military. The elected
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: president is the commander-in-chief. You had generals, in particular Mark Milley,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, lying to Donald Trump,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that's a threat to democracy, Not when Donald Trump, like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: makes a joke.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: At a rally.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Who are these people working for if not the president
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: of the United States?
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Well, they're working for the pyramid bureaucracy. People call it
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: the deep state.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Like, what the deep state is is just when you
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: have an organization that becomes self-perpetuating. These people have military contracts.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: They have corporate board seats. That all becomes part of
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: who they're really serving. And again, people are good at
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: lying to themselves. Do I think that Mark Milley woke
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: up every day saying, oh, I'm serving the military industrial
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: complex and I can't wait to get my Raytheon board seat?
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: No, he wasn't thinking that way.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: He was thinking that true democracy was the opposite of
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: whatever Donald Trump wanted to happen. But in reality, Mark
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Milley doesn't determine what democracy is. The American people determine that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And so when the American people make a decision, you
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: have to respect that decision, even if you don't like
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the guy that they ultimately elected. But I really, this
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: is like the psychological trick that's been played on people
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: like Dick Cheney and Kamala Harris. And I think they're all,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: you know, they all participate in it, but they're all
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: honestly kind of victims of it too, is that they've
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: convinced themselves that the real threat to American democracy, it's
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: not when like the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman disobeys
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: the elected president, it's when the elected president does something
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: they don't like. I think that psychological trick is at
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: the heart of a lot of our problems.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be difficult to secure a border
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: and to deport people who are here illegally, some of
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: whom may have committed crimes? Obviously, there's been instances of
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: people who've been murdered by people that are here illegally.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: How does that work? Are you able to do that?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Possible?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And what would that look like?
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm asked this question all the time.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And I joked with a reporter who said, well, you know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: you can't possibly deport 25 million people. That's too many people.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And I said, it's kind of like, you know, you
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: have like a Big Mac and you say you can't
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: possibly eat that whole thing.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: It's bigger than your mouth. Right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, the way you do it is you
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: take one bite and then a second bite and then
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: a third bite. And that's how I think about deportations
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: here is you start with the most hardened criminals, about 425,000
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: violent illegal alien criminals. And we know where most of
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: them are because they've committed crimes, right? So you do
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: law enforcement. You go and get those people. You send
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: them back to where they came from, and that's where
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: you start. But then, yeah, you've got to deport illegal aliens.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: If you're not willing to deport the people who came
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: here illegally, especially those who came here over the last
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: few years, then you're not going to have a border.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: And it's just basic law enforcement, right?
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, people reveal themselves as illegal aliens all the time.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: You know, they try to apply like there's a lot
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: of social security fraud that happens in our country where
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: somebody and I've had friends where their social security number
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: was stolen. That social security number was used to get
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like a driver's license or a work permit or something
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like that. And then when they go and say, oh,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I think my I think I've had identity fraud committed
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: against me. The Social Security Administration will tell them, oh,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: we have to respect the privacy of the people involved.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: who defrauded you and stole your social security number. Okay, well,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: when you defraud somebody and steal their social security number,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: deport those people, right?
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: And then the final point.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Is you got to make it harder for illegal aliens
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to work in the country in the first place, right?
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Because then a lot of people will just go back
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: home if they can't.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: And I think it's really important. Like, I think one
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: of the biggest and most.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Pernicious effects of illegal immigration of Kamala Harris's open border
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: is it means that millions and millions of people are
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: willing to work under the table But that means a
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: lot of Americans aren't getting good jobs because you have
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: illegal aliens who are willing to work for much lower wages.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Do you worry at all about Aspen, about Palm Beach,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: about Greenwich, Connecticut or Southampton where I have a home.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: With all due respect?
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little disgusting that you would try
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: to make us pay American workers a wage.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: To do things that other people wouldn't do. It's a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: little short-sighted.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I want to say.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: The Chamber of Commerce is bringing these people in clearly
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: because they're humanitarians.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And the Koch family.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: What changed in the Democratic Party?
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders was asked about this.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: He said it is a Koch brothers fantasy to have
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: an open border. Yes. It'll drive down wages for everybody.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton said it's a country of laws. That's a
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: little fun, but.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: He said that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It was, maybe at one time.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: What changed in the Democratic Party and also a lot
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: of elements of the Republican Party for many, many years,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: the libertarian pro-business wing of the Republican Party is staunchly pro-immigration.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And they have united with kind of the far left
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party, which has become a lot of
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. And this idea that any restrictions... on
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: immigration are racist. The idea of a border is racist.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: The idea of a process of which people can come
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: into the country is insane.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is so crazy to me where
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: you have people in Aspen that are paying their nanny
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: borderline poverty wages.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: And it's survivable for two reasons. One, because the nanny
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: is lives in a crowded apartment with like six other people, right?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And two, because that nanny is receiving welfare benefits from
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: American taxpayers. So these people are having their lifestyles subsidized.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: They're paying their nanny's poverty wages and their response to
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it is to say that you're racist if you think
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: this arrangement is bad, right? The people who are paying
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the taxes who are funding the welfare state so that
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you can have a poverty wage nanny or a poverty
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: wage house cleaner, They're racist.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: And not they just want a safe country and they
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: don't want people to come to our country who they
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: have to pay welfare benefits. And most importantly, they don't
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: want somebody taking away their jobs. It's it's it's I
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: think it's the most disgusting thing, man. And look, my
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: heart breaks for the poor people of Aspen and West Hollywood.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Who can't... There's not that much money in West Hollywood.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Who would have to pay, well.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Bel-Air, Beverly Hills, Montecito.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Bel-Air and Malibu, who would have to pay their nannies
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: a livable wage, right?
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're obviously the most important.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: People for us to focus on.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: But these are jobs Americans won't do, and by that
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I mean retail, wholesale, gardening, childcare... working anywhere. These are
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: jobs Americans, because that's what I.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Was told growing up, that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Americans will only do one job, and it is finance.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: That's right. My favorite is construction. Americans won't build houses.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: And it's actually a totally reasonable argument, if you think
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: about it, because in the 1960s, when we had low
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: levels of illegal immigration, there were no homes being built.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Mass homelessness in the United States of America in 1964,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: until we created this housing oasis by bringing in millions
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: of illegal aliens. The real truth, of course, is there
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: are jobs America won't do at certain wages. And so
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the solution to that problem is to raise wages for
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: working people to get more of them into the labor
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: force and not to constantly import this serf class. It's also, man,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: this is very corrosive to the idea of American democracy, right?
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Small D American democracy.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson Alexander Hamilton, go back to the original founding fathers,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: they wanted there to be commonality across citizens, right? They
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: wanted smart people who were paying attention to the issues.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: They wanted whether you were a worker or a business
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: owner or a farmer or a farmhand, they wanted some
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: similarity across all American classes. If you have a permanent
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: class of low-wage serfs, many of whom don't even speak English,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: that destroys the the citizenship ethos that makes our democracy
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: possible in the first place. These people don't care because
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: they want the cheap labor. I care because I love
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: my country.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of people look at America more as a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: financial opportunity than a country.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: And it's not, it can't be that right.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: American citizenship can not just be a bunch of people
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: who like work and make financial transactions with one another.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: You don't go and fight wars.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Because, like, the guy down the street makes a lot
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of money trading derivatives on Wall Street, right?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: You go and fight wars if you have a nation
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: that you believe in.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: And importantly, if you have faith that your leaders are
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: only going to send you to fight a war when
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: they have to.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: And that's what's been broken. This is not only America.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: It's countries all over the world, all over Europe. Globalization,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the benefits of it have been unevenly distributed, to say
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: the least. You have a class of people that are,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: many of them own assets.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: And they've seen the value of those assets increase. Many
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: of them are invested in the market. And they're incredibly
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: happy with the freedom to move capital around the world. Exactly.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: And make lots and lots of money. But the citizens
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: of the countries that they live, their standards of living
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: have been lowered and lowered and lowered. And this is not,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: it's not only America, it's this financial architecture that that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: seems to be replacing people's cultures, histories, and idea of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: what a nation is.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: And the real economy, too, right?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: We used to make stuff, and now we're trading derivatives
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: and shipping dollars overseas, but also shipping assets overseas.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: We used to make that stuff in the United States.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, crazy statistic.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think the life premium for having a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: bachelor's degree is in this country? In other words, if
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you have a bachelor's degree, how much longer do you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: live than a person without a bachelor's degree? Ten years?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Seven years.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Seven years.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: You live seven years longer for having gone to college
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: in the United States of America.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: You put this well.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: The way that I would put it is globalization, it's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: been very good for rich people in rich countries, and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: it's been very good for poor people.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: In poor countries.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: It's been extraordinarily bad for poor people and middle-class people
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: in rich countries, right? And in some ways, the whole
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump movement is a rebellion against, okay, well, some
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: people have benefited from this. Like some people benefited when
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: my steel mill, the steel mill that employed my grandfather
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: for 40 years, when it went from 10,000 jobs to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: 1800 jobs.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:24
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  Speaker 3: BlackRock, is there a way to calm that down where
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I'm actually not a Ron Paul guy.
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  Speaker 2: One of my dear friends is a big Ron Paul guy,
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  Speaker 2: I don't fully agree with it, but the criticism of
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  Speaker 2: reason BlackRock has been able to buy all these homes
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  Speaker 4: What rate are they borrowing at?
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  Speaker 2: Because the average American right now, I think the average
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  Speaker 4: Okay, BlackRock's borrowing at like 1.5, 2.5%, right?
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  Speaker 2: So if they're paying a much lower cost for debt,
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  Speaker 4: Okay, there goes the second amendment.
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  Speaker 2: actually make American society such a cool place to live.
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  Speaker 2: And if we turn everybody into renters, we're gonna destroy that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that like- Here's where you're wrong, though.
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  Speaker 3: People really like these shows where people buy $ 20 million
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  Speaker 1: Most, isn't that as good as owning a home?
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  Speaker 3: Because there's 30 shows about people buying mansions and people
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  Speaker 3: get to watch them.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't have to cut grass.
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  Speaker 3: You can watch somebody else buy a house.
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  Speaker 1: But that is what's happening, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: People do that.
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  Speaker 3: There are people watching people buy houses for tens of
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like the shows have the purpose of
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you address that by perhaps, is it the
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what I think is.
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  Speaker 2: And I've actually talked to a number of– the president
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  Speaker 2: I assume, a multibillionaire. He's certainly very rich. But he
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  Speaker 2: has all these ideas for how to make it so
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  Speaker 2: that ordinary Americans are paying the same amount for debt
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  Speaker 2: as the big guys, right? Because if you're paying 7%
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  Speaker 2: and the big guys are paying 2%, ordinary Americans are
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  Speaker 2: always going to get screwed.
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  Speaker 4: There are a lot of different ways you could do that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could just basically statutorily not allow BlackRock
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  Speaker 2: to access the federal funds directly. You could do all
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  Speaker 2: these things to lower the cost of capital for normal Americans.
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  Speaker 4: There's like a lot of ways to address the problem,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that we're not talking about that, instead
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  Speaker 4: Which is of all the criticisms of Donald Trump, the
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  Speaker 2: Is he said at a rally that if people ride
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  Speaker 4: But it's funny, man. People are more focused on that.
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  Speaker 2: The media is more focused on that than on the
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  Speaker 2: Our generation, especially younger permanent paupers, permanent renters in the
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  Speaker 2: what you will about Donald Trump. Say what you will
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  Speaker 1: Is the happy medium them owning a home in the Ukraine?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Because you're making a lot of points that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be tough to do.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, if Kamala Harris is president, here's the win-win. Again,
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  Speaker 2: she's always looking for that. If they own a home
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  Speaker 2: in Ukraine... they can then be conscripted into her endless
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  Speaker 2: war in Ukraine. And so if you're a young American
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  Speaker 2: and you'd like to own a very sweet mansion in
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine while also fighting a war for a country that's 6,000
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  Speaker 2: miles away, then yeah, Kamala Harris is your candidate. If
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  Speaker 2: you'd like to own a nice home in the United
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  Speaker 2: States of America and raise a family, I think Donald
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  Speaker 1: No, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to give the honest.
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  Speaker 1: They're very excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: Many of them live in Beverly Hills and they got
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  Speaker 3: the flags and everything and they got into it and
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  Speaker 2: Well, I actually, okay, so I saw a couple years
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  Speaker 4: They had The Black Lives Matter thing in the yard. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: They had the Trans Lives Matter sign in the yard,
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  Speaker 2: and then they had the Ukrainian flag hanging up on
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  Speaker 2: their porch. And he sent me this photo, and he said,
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  Speaker 4: The liberal Holy Trinity.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: You have it all.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're not allowed to ask why the Ukraine War
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're not allowed to ask that.
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  Speaker 2: Did American diplomacy actually create conflict instead of diffusing conflict?
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  Speaker 4: In my view, it did. And maybe that could.
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  Speaker 1: that was the goal.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a nut, but there
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  Speaker 2: It's this psychological post-war thing of everyone is either Adolf
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  Speaker 4: That's how these people think about it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think Vladimir Putin is on a march through
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  Speaker 4: All the absurd arguments I've heard, that is the most absurd.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem likely. He can't take half of Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: which was his goal. He can't take half of Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: but somehow he's going to march all the way to Berlin.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, if he marches all the way
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they should build their own security capacity to prevent it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they should listen to Les Ramstein and
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  Speaker 4: A military that's worthwhile.
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  Speaker 2: Though I will say, Ramstein has this crazy song from 2004,
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  Speaker 1: I think I do.
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  Speaker 2: That is actually a really interesting criticism of globalization. So
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  Speaker 3: And NATO, do you think that we redefine our relationship
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that what we have, what President
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  Speaker 2: field between zero and one mechanized brigades. If that is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: your country's military, you're not a partner of the United
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: States in any security sense, You're a welfare client of
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: the United States.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: And I would like Germany. I love Germany, by the way.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: I think it's a great country.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: I think great people, good beer. They should be doing
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: more to look after their own security.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Well, ironically, they rely on cheap Russian gas and oil
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: and the United States military.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: So is asking NATO countries to fund more of their
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: own defense is the direction that you want to go into?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they have to fund more of their
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: own defense. They have to take more ownership over their
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: own security. And again, I just I don't want America
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: to be the policeman of the world. We can't be
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the policeman of Europe, the policeman of the Middle East.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I want more of these allies to behave like allies,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: to take more ownership over their own security and to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: make their own decisions. I mean, look, if I was
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: a European country in some ways, I would feel kind
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: of pathetic. Like, you know, they always they always called
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Tony Blair, the prime minister of the UK, Bush's poodle.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: It was probably being too nice to Tony Blair to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: call him Bush's poodle.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Because these guys, they don't even have their own countries anymore.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: They just do whatever the United States tells them to do.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: Well, London has also just become a vertical money laundering
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: scheme where everyone from all over the world and New York,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: and this is happening to all these great cities, is
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: that people that live there are being driven out.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: And you have billionaires and centimillionaires going in and buying
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: up all this real estate, not contributing to the culture
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: of the city at all. And in London's case, they
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: have Russian oligarchs throwing people out of windows, which that is.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: Good, I think. It's fine.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's fine. Because, no, it's not random, J.D.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, I got thrown.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: Out of a window.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: How did it happen?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Are we talking first floor windows or like 10th floor windows? No,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: it's 10th floor, but it's people that got involved. It's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: people that were involved. I can't defend that.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: They knew the risks.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: So to me, it's like I look at these great
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: cities and I say, listen, obviously you want people from
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: all over the world to come and appreciate a city.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: At what point does... the purchasing of real estate from
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: foreign nationals become a major problem for not only the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: cost of living of.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Americans, but the culture of a city.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Huge.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: It seems insane that nobody.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis came.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Out and proposed doing something about it, but very few
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: politicians have come out and said anything about that issue.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: It's very important.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, London is effectively the world's only socialist
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: tax haven.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Right. It's just.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: It's a socialist country, socialist government at this point, but
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: they let billionaires from all over shelter their assets in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: their country. It's a totally bizarre and screwed up way
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: of thinking about your economy. This is sort of what
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: globalization does. This is what I really worry about. London
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel fully English to me anymore. New York, of course,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: is the classic American city. Over time, I think New
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: York will start to feel less American because everything becomes
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: flattened and becomes the same. And real diversity, actually, is like,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I'd kind of like to go to a different place
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: and have it be different.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You want Paris to be Paris. Exactly.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: And not have it all just feel the same. Right.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: That is, I think, a diversity that I can get behind.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: People see financial migration as an opportunity to go into
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: a country, not respect the laws, the culture, set up
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: a profitable business, and then send that money back To
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: another country, it doesn't seem like a sustainable model.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: No, and you have no investment in that country. We
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: want people who have investments in a place to care about. Well,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: if the workers get really pissed, then maybe I'll have
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: to pay higher taxes.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: So then we're going to focus on making.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: The workers not pissed. Or if people get really miserable,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: then they start doing crazy things. They start rioting. Let's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: make it harder for people to riot. If you don't
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: have that investment in the local community, then... I think
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: that's what this leads to. And to your point, yeah,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: I think we should basically ban foreign asset purchases of
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: American land.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: You grew up in an area of Virginia, or it
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: might not have been Virginia.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Well, so yeah. It's Appalachia. Born and raised in Ohio.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: But my family's sort of all from the Appalachian part
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: of eastern Kentucky. Okay.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: I think of that all as Virginia. But I know
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: that that's not. I know that that's not the case.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: That's a very LA way of thinking about things, right?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't think of Ohio.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: I thought Ohio was like Grater's Ice Cream and heroin
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: but fun at music festivals.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't think of it. I thought of it like
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: more white rapper vibes.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: In your mind, it's like California, New York, and then
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: just everything.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: In the middle of Virginia.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: And then Fent.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Now Chicago and then Fent. But that's what it's becoming.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: We've got to stop it from becoming that.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Now, what were the lessons that you learned?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Because your book, Hillbilly Elegy, was a hit, was a bestseller.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: It's a movie as well. What were your takeaways?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Because I know people that loved the book and disagreed
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: with some of your takeaways. And these people probably know
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: better than you because they live in Santa Monica. But what,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: and they go, I don't think he's right about that.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: The real Appalachia's in Santa Monica.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: What, well, by the way, it is. I'll take you there,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't look that different. Gavin Newsom's turned it
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: into that. What were your takeaways?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Because you're not the, I mean, the fact that you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: were able to, you know, go to Yale Law School.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: You know, mount a successful Senate campaign. You're sitting here
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: running for vice president. You come out of an area where,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: where circumstances for a lot of people are dire and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: it's a de-industrialized area.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: There are, there's drug problems.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: What are the takeaways in your book when you look
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: at the things that plague that area and then how
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: to restore it? Sure.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Well, it's, it's, I'd say separating categories, right?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: There's the personal takeaway and there's like the policy takeaway, right?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Because at some level, if you're just a person growing
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: up in a community that's been de-industrialized, left behind, you
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: kind of have to deal with the hand that you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: were dealt. And that's like what really the book was
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: about is like, you know, what do you do now
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: that this thing has already happened? And for me, you know,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I took away from my youth is,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: you know, one, have a sense of gratitude.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: Even though we didn't have a whole lot, I tried.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: To be grateful for my grandparents for sacrificing for me
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: because that prevented me from being resentful and seeing myself
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: as a victim, right? When I graduated from high school,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I was a pretty resentful kid. I definitely saw myself as, oh,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: everybody else has more than I do. And seeing yourself
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: as a victim, I think, is like a really, really
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: destructive thing for a person. But then there's like a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: policy takeaway from it, which is why are we dealing
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: so many shitty hands to people to begin with, right?
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Like my job as a vice president is different from
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: my job as an 18-year-old kid who just wanted to
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: live a good life, right? My job as vice president
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: is to make sure that as many kids in our
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: country as possible have a pretty good starting hand as
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: opposed to a really crappy one. And I think the
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: only way to do that, if you look historically, if
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: you look at just our own country, the only way
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: to build a sustainable middle class is to have a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: viable manufacturing economy.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Because think about this.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: If you're a lawyer, okay, you're litigating, you're doing corporate deals. Well,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: who are you litigating about and who are you doing
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: corporate deals with if there isn't a foundation to the economy, right?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: If you're a banker and you're doing trading or you're doing,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of capital investment, What are you investing
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: in if not the underlying foundation of the economy, right?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: The economy's foundation has to be the real stuff. It's ag,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: it's manufacturing, it's making things, it's doing things. And then
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: all the other services are built up around the real economy.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I think the conceit of Americans, American leaders, I should say,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: in 2024 is the idea that you can have everybody
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: working in tech and finance and advertising.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: Well, you can't. What products are you advertising?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: What technologies are you developing if the underlying real economy
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: isn't strong? What are the bankers investing in if there
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: isn't anything there? And I think that's actually where, while, yes,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: things have gotten really bad under Kamala Harris's leadership, if
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: we go down this pathway another 10 years and our
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: share of manufacturing GDP goes.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: From 18% to 10%, then the.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Lawyers and the bankers are going to realize that they
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: don't have good jobs either. And that's when they're actually
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: going to realize that Donald Trump was right all along.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Two more questions.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I really appreciate you doing this. How do you
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: prevent tech censorship? We've talked about it.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: It's a huge problem.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's a tough thing to have
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: an exact answer for, but what are some thoughts?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: So very simply, and this is like not a traditional
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Republican answer, but the Google antitrust lawsuit that's moving through
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: the courts right now was actually started under Donald Trump's administration.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I think you have to break these companies up. I
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: think they're too big. They become monopolists. They become too powerful.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: And frankly, they became too powerful thanks to government privileges, right?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: These aren't like natural monopolies that just came up out
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: of the free market. They were handed special favors by
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: the government. They use that power to become monopolists. And
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: now they tell Americans what they can or can't say.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's actually a way to solve it.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Like if Google is so big, it's extremely hard to
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: be able to like ensure that Google doesn't engage in censorship.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: I just think these companies have to be separated.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: So break up the companies.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: So the last question is the toughest one.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: For the last five years, I have done Christian missionary
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: work in Africa with Governor Walsh.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: And.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Literally, we have not.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: Seen you there.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: I thought you were serious for the first couple seconds.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, where the hell is this going?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: I am serious.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Me and Governor Walz have been in Africa converting people,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: feeding them. And the fact that we've never seen you there,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: and we've both been there, and they'll tell you as well.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: They'll tell you as well. He seems like a fun guy.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: He seems like a fun guy. Was he fun at
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: the debate? Was he fun? He seems fun.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: I like making things up.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, fun is one way to say it.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: You know, he, honestly, at the debate, I felt bad, man.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Because, all right, so my wife, one of her great,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, character attributes, but also one of her flaws
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: is that she cannot be dishonest with me.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Like, if I screwed something up, she won't be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: you did great. She'll say it, right? So I come
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: off the debates to Hage, and her face is lit up. Right.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: She's so happy.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: And then I look over at Glenn waltz and Glenn
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: waltz looked like she just showed up to a funeral.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh shit, this went really well
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: for me. And this went really poorly for him.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: I look, I honestly think my, my honest assessment is
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: that he's probably a pretty nice guy.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know him well. He's probably a pretty nice guy.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Do I think that he should be vice president? No. No,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: it's Minnesota. Who cares? It's fine. It's a tundra. But
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: aside from.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Policy differences, I just don't think the guy has the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: depth to be president. Like, I hate to sound like,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: you know, President Trump always says this. You want your
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: leaders to be smart, right?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: You want them to actually care about the stuff that
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: they're doing in government. When I hear Tim Walz, but especially, oh, Lord,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: when I hear Kamala Harris talk, I think to myself,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: she has no idea what the hell she thinks, and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that is scarier than me disagreeing with her on any
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: policy issue.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: But, you know, look, I'm thrilled to hear that Tim
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Walls did missionary work in Africa.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: You know, you guys are both great humanitarians. I think,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: did you serve with him?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: In Iraq.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Well, actually in the Ukraine. As soon as that happened,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: we went over and fought valiantly for a year.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: And then he went and marched in Tiananmen Square. You know,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: that's the thing about Tim Walz. He's the Forrest Gump
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: of politics, right? Every time something big has happened in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: world history, Tim Walz has been there.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: To observe it and just to see it up close
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: and personal.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: And by the way, whatever your attacks on, your baseless
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: attacks on Kamala Harris, if she doesn't know something, I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: feel good as an American knowing that Dick Cheney will
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: tell her.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: J.D.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Vance, thank you very much.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks, man.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Good to see you. Thank you for doing this. Appreciate it.