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The Fraternity Goat Situation · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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Speaker 2: This week on your gabble gabble, is your left testicle
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Speaker 2: worth one million dollars? One thing for sure? The balls
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Speaker 2: and Judge Gino's court.
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Speaker 1: And if you can get hypnotized and it brings up something
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Speaker 1: that happened in your past, are you able to get
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Speaker 1: over that hump? Judge Ross tells us real people cases say,
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Speaker 1: just as.
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Speaker 2: I'm really proud about pulling Brandon, well.
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Speaker 1: You you just wait and see what I did there.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much.
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Speaker 2: Ball is in Judge Gino's court. That's right, singular, that's good, right.
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Speaker 1: I love Judge. I mean, come on, man, I love judge.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the gabble. Sounds like we've got a pair
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Speaker 2: of douce.
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Speaker 1: Hair of Doozy's.
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Speaker 3: Or it does, because shot don't know who to even
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Speaker 3: start with here in this this week's what do you think?
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Speaker 1: I'll go first?
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Speaker 2: You go first, We'll let the teesticle back clean up.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly as as you do. I want to answer you.
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Speaker 1: We're in a Judge Ross's court, America's court.
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Speaker 2: And here's the thing about that justice. A lot of
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Speaker 2: places you go and you're like Oh, it's like you're
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Speaker 2: speaking of different language.
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Speaker 3: I encourage everybody to go watch Judge Ross America's Court,
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Speaker 3: because without that, what we do every time we talk
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Speaker 3: about Judge Ross doesn't do.
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Speaker 2: Anything, doesn't do anything for it.
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Speaker 1: If you watch America's Court where they do the whole intro.
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Speaker 3: That was shot in the late nineties, Yes, it's so
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Speaker 3: funny how that show just always looks old, no matter
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Speaker 3: how the episodes are, it always I want.
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Speaker 1: To introduce you the Bruce Shuttlecock.
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Speaker 2: No, it can't be, it wouldn't be.
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Speaker 1: I do think that.
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Speaker 3: Last name is a joke based off of where we're
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Speaker 3: going here. But it's five thousand dollars for emotional distress.
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Speaker 3: He's suing Evan Davenport the Max, the Max five thousand dollars,
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Speaker 3: so Bruce claims. One night him, his then wife and
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Speaker 3: his friends went to go see Ahtist a show not
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Speaker 3: not a therapeutic.
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Speaker 2: No, they didn't like pay specifically to get like.
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Speaker 3: This is a show, okay. Evan is a professional hypnotist.
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Speaker 3: His shows are apparently, according to Bruce, he heard that
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Speaker 3: they're amazing and hilarious, so he had to go. Evan
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Speaker 3: pipes up and says, my shows are pretty basic. It's
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Speaker 3: a comedy show, and I use hypnotism. I was a
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Speaker 3: I did do this for therapy. I was a you know, hypnotherapist,
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Speaker 3: and that wasn't paying the bills. So I decided to
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Speaker 3: start doing the show. And it's gone gangbuster, gang buster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Judge Ross asked real quick, how does it work? Do
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Speaker 3: what are we doing here? And he says, well, basically,
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Speaker 3: I just mess with your fight or flight thing in
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Speaker 3: your brain.
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Speaker 1: He uses the actual term, but you know your brain,
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Speaker 1: the fire flight thing in your brain.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I got it.
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Speaker 3: And but the key to this, the key to it working,
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Speaker 3: is that you have they have to consent to it.
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Speaker 1: Like if they are remotely skeptical or not.
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Speaker 2: They don't lean in.
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Speaker 1: They don't lean into it. It's not possible.
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Speaker 2: Basically, have you ever seen hypnotists not live? But I've
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Speaker 2: seen them, yeah, on TV and stuff.
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Speaker 1: I never that it's real hypnotists. They had it.
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Speaker 3: So after graduation, we had an all night thing in
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Speaker 3: a bowling alley, as you.
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Speaker 1: Do, to keep keep us out of the out of
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Speaker 1: trouble drinking and whatnot.
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Speaker 2: Class Titusville four exactly right, River Lanes Bowling and they
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Speaker 2: brought in a hypnotist, and it was it was, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was told you. I didn't get picked.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it was a real deal. Did you
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Speaker 2: think it was real?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Do you talk to anybody that got hypnotis?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were, they were, I mean yeah, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: mean there were a couple of buddies that.
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Speaker 1: Did it and they were like, yeah, that's real.
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Speaker 2: That's the only way I would ever believe it's real
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Speaker 2: is I would have to be hypnotized and then see
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Speaker 2: video of what I did without remembering.
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Speaker 1: But the you won't because of the way you're going
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Speaker 1: into it. It would never work on you. I would
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Speaker 1: be willing to lean in and say, yo, let's do
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Speaker 1: it your skepticals.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, of course you just said the only
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Speaker 3: way you would ever believe it.
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Speaker 2: Because of where I'm sitting. If I'm the person in
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Speaker 2: the chair, I will one hundred percent quiet my mind
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Speaker 2: and let you try to hypnotize.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get him in here, get them in
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Speaker 3: and bring them in. No, okay, So that's kind of
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Speaker 3: the deal. You have to you have to be in
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Speaker 3: for or in for it. I'm there, shuttle Cock is
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Speaker 3: there with his friends and his wife. There's two to
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Speaker 3: three hundred other people there, and Judge Ross asked Bruce
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Speaker 3: if he wanted to be a part of the show,
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Speaker 3: and he's like, kind of, my wife and my friends
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Speaker 3: really wanted me to do it. They said that it
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Speaker 3: would be funny. You know, I'm an energetic extrovert, ready
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Speaker 3: to clown.
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Speaker 1: They said you'd be great up there.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I kind of throw my hand in the
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Speaker 3: ring and he's like, well, okay, so you did want
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Speaker 3: to go up there, And he's like a kind of
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Speaker 3: and he's what are you four? You either want to
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Speaker 3: do it or you don't want to do So he
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Speaker 3: goes on stage and there's a person right next to
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Speaker 3: him that's been turned into James Bond. He thinks that
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Speaker 3: he's James Bond. There's a few other other people on stage.
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Speaker 3: We'll hear about one of those people here in just
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Speaker 3: a second. But he gets hypnotized, and Bruce says, at
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Speaker 3: this point, I don't recall anything that happens, So all
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Speaker 3: that you're about to hear is through my wife, my friends,
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Speaker 3: and and Evan, who will corroborate the story.
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Speaker 2: Corroborate Are you four corroborate?
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Speaker 3: So Evan says, so there's another person on stage that
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Speaker 3: thought he was a goat. Okay, okay, So he says
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Speaker 3: that Bruce ran up to the goat man and starts
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Speaker 3: humping it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's if you go back to my intro that hump.
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Speaker 2: I love it. So he's nicely done. Shuttlecock's humping the goat.
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Speaker 1: There's no way that last year is real.
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Speaker 3: So, uh, he was just Evan says he was really
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Speaker 3: going to town there and he says, naturally, since it's
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Speaker 3: a comedy show, I go over with the mic and
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Speaker 3: I started investigating what's happening. Yeah, and Bruce, and he
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Speaker 3: says that Bruce was like, I'm really gonna do it
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Speaker 3: this time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Judge Ross.
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Speaker 1: Calls out Bruce's.
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Speaker 3: Ex wife they were married at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we do find out they are still married, but
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Speaker 1: they're legally separate.
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Speaker 3: Got it, and asks what she was thinking at the time,
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Speaker 3: and she says, well, at first I thought it was funny,
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Speaker 3: but I then I didn't.
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Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know about the fraternity goat situation.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: So Ross says, whoa, whoa, whoa what fraternity goat incident?
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Speaker 3: So Bruce says, okay, so when I was in college,
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Speaker 3: I was eighteen, I was pledging to get into a fraternity.
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Speaker 3: There was a lot of alcohol, and something happened with
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Speaker 3: a goat. No, and Ross says, I don't need to
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Speaker 3: hear those details.
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Speaker 1: Don't either, So.
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Speaker 3: Hevin explains that something in hypnotherapy that they use is
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Speaker 3: called guided imagery. When somebody is under hypnosis and they
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Speaker 3: say that they see something, we try to guide them
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Speaker 3: through those images to explore.
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Speaker 2: Them, to explore them.
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Speaker 3: So when when when shutter cock over there brings up
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Speaker 3: the goat situation, yeah, I kept prying, of course in
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Speaker 3: exploring that. And he then went on to tell the
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Speaker 3: whole story. So this is the first time that his
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Speaker 3: wife at the time is hearing about and so Bruce says,
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Speaker 3: so after that happened, they go, you know, he leaves
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Speaker 3: and he later finds out.
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Speaker 1: Bruce is a teacher, and he later finds.
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Speaker 3: Out that there were some parents of his students in
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Speaker 3: the crowd. So the story of the fraternity goad incident
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Speaker 3: and him going to town on stage begins to spread
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Speaker 3: all over school.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and he ends up getting fired over this.
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Speaker 2: He got fired.
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Speaker 3: Now, Ross asks, why did you end up getting fired
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Speaker 3: for this, and he says, well, the kids were mocking
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Speaker 3: me and it became a distraction. Also, the term beast
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Speaker 3: reality was thrown around.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: So Ross looks at the paper showing that he lost
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Speaker 1: his job and is like, oh, you taught it a
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Speaker 1: Catholic school boy, and he says, yes.
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Speaker 2: Man, the hitch just keep on coming here, brain, you
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Speaker 2: are a lying. This is a good case.
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Speaker 3: I lost my job, my wife left me because she
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Speaker 3: couldn't handle it, my friends don't talk to me anymore.
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Speaker 1: Evan ruined my life.
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Speaker 3: So he's suing for five thousand dollars for the pain
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Speaker 3: and suffering and losing his job. And Judge Ross is,
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Speaker 3: does he have.
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Speaker 2: To sign anything when he goes to one of these events?
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Speaker 1: You don't sign.
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Speaker 3: But Evan does explain that when you walk in there
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Speaker 3: are signs saying that if you get called up, then
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Speaker 3: you are, you know, signing up. You get what you're
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Speaker 3: paying for there, and there's also disclaimers on screen.
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Speaker 2: There's disclaimers on screen. Yeah, he can't get any money
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Speaker 2: for this. Ross may be sympathetic because justice isn't a
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Speaker 2: foreign concept, but this is the wrong courtroom for this,
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Speaker 2: he could maybe go to personal injury court and have
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Speaker 2: a better plea of pain and suffering. But I just boy,
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Speaker 2: that's a tough spot to be in. There really got
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Speaker 2: its goat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ross is going to dismiss this case. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he says, what's his name, Ross, Kevin Ross? No, what's
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Speaker 1: his name? You are he said?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He says, you're letting this story run your life. You
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Speaker 3: need to use this story to change lives. Go into colleges,
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Speaker 3: going to the fraternities, tell them this is what happened
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Speaker 3: to me.
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Speaker 1: This is what you should avoid.
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Speaker 3: Use this story as a platform mistake instead of instead
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Speaker 3: of letting the story ruin your life, use the story
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Speaker 3: to change lives.
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Speaker 1: Own the story.
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Speaker 2: Wow, it's a little inspiration from Ross.
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Speaker 3: And then he encouraged and then he encourages the wife
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Speaker 3: not to give up on him yet, Wow, to try
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Speaker 3: to work through this because they have a kid, and
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Speaker 3: you know, he's a big proponent of you know, to
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Speaker 3: toss to make this story.
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Speaker 1: So he dismisses it.
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Speaker 3: And in the postgame interview as we call it, Shuttlecock
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Speaker 3: is saying, Judge Ross said a lot of really good
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Speaker 3: things here that I needed to hear and he was thankful.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So there you go, Ross, just bringing people together even
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Speaker 2: over a goat fraternity incident.
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Speaker 1: Man, what a case. I didn't see it coming beyond
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Speaker 1: I didn't either. It was a.
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Speaker 2: Doozy Catholic school. That was the last one.
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Speaker 1: That was the one both. Oh my gosh. So there
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Speaker 1: you go.
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Speaker 3: I let to know if anybody that's listening has been hypnotized.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm very interested in this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Has anybody that, like, we know, bring one to bramble Fest?
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Speaker 2: Now we're talking, are you looking to that?
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Speaker 1: How much does that cost?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Uh Dan, what do we Because you said you got
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Speaker 3: a case and I said I got a case, and
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Speaker 3: you were like, there's no way.
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Speaker 1: It's better than that.
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Speaker 2: That case is pretty great. I mean, this guy did
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Speaker 2: lose his left nut, but that's a pretty good case.
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Speaker 1: All right, give it to you.
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Speaker 2: Patrick Donaldson, also a high school teacher, believe it or not,
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Speaker 2: is suing Peter Jones for thirty thousand dollars for past.
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Speaker 2: Uh oh, this personal Part Court judge Gino Legal sauce
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Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars for past and he actually Patrick and
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Speaker 2: his wife can are both there and both suing, and
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Speaker 2: this is important.
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Speaker 1: And you can get up to like a million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Per thirty thousand dollars for past medical, one thirty for
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Speaker 2: future medical, six ninety for pain and suffering, and one
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Speaker 2: fifty for loss of consortium consortium consort, So a million
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Speaker 2: dollarion loss of consortium. You know what that is? That
12:23
Speaker 2: is the inability to provide for your family in a
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Speaker 2: loving way, like you and your wife. Something happens, he's intimacy.
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Speaker 2: It could be laying.
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Speaker 1: It all out there, all right, Yes.
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Speaker 2: One million smackers.
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Speaker 3: Losing a nut doesn't stop you from having intercourse.
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Speaker 2: We'll get there, brand, don't worry. Sorry, goat stuff. Was
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Speaker 2: it thirteen? Yeah, at the very least, I got two boys,
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Speaker 2: not as not not like my boys, like like, he
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Speaker 2: has two sons eleven and six years old. And we
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Speaker 2: took our family to the batting cages. So yeah, so, uh,
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Speaker 2: we're at the batting cages and my eleven year old
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Speaker 2: man he can hit a fastball, like and we got
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Speaker 2: video of him in literal lygue hitting the fastball. Really
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Speaker 2: proud of him.
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Speaker 1: We've watched the video.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the video. He can hit a fastball. There's
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Speaker 2: no doubt about it, and he's gonna hit a fastball.
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Speaker 2: Uh oh no, Peter Jones is the owner of the
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Speaker 2: batting cage.
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Speaker 1: That's who he's suing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and the owner of the batting cage used to
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Speaker 2: play ball when he was younger. He's on this establishment
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Speaker 2: for three and a half years, and he wants to
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Speaker 2: let you know he has an impeccable safety record. And
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Speaker 2: he says the word impeccable no less than a half
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Speaker 2: dozen times, maybe a dozen times in this case.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is your standard batting play.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's got the machine with the nets, nets, the nets.
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Speaker 1: You can't go out of the nets, shoot it off.
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Speaker 2: The se nets, you understand. So as soon as he
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Speaker 2: says impeccable safety record for the first time, Candace Donalds
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Speaker 2: and Patrick's wife says, excuse me, and uh basically Judge
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Speaker 2: Gino has to calm her down, ordering the court. That's
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Speaker 2: not the first we'll get it that he so. Uh so,
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Speaker 2: Judge Gina's like, so why did you open the cages?
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Speaker 2: He's like, I play when I was younger, my memories
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Speaker 2: my father and my grandfather playing, and I wanted it
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Speaker 2: to be ultimate fun, safe, ultimate fun. Impeccable.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: The wife comes in again, Candace and Gina's like, listen,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get to it. You just need to call.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make Canda sit down here.
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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, So Patrick, take me to the day
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Speaker 2: this happened. Patrick says, okay, well, we had a great day.
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Speaker 2: We were going to the batting cages as a family.
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Speaker 2: My oldest son is hitting in the cages. I'm watching him.
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Speaker 2: I'm coaching him. I get a phone call. Uh, it's
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Speaker 2: a work call. I gotta take this call.
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Speaker 1: Now our phone's allowed. I go against the safety right phone.
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Speaker 2: Gino is like, you're giving him a hard time. You're
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Speaker 2: taking a call, you're with your family. He's like, I
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Speaker 2: got to take a call. There's nothing I can do
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Speaker 2: about him.
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Speaker 1: Ever taken a call.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, he says. So this is where it
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Speaker 2: gets the legal sauce gets murky. He goes there's an
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Speaker 2: alleyway between two of the cages. There's an alleyway.
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Speaker 1: And do we get pictures of the setup?
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Speaker 2: We don't get pictures of the alley. We get a
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Speaker 2: map on the plaza, not pictures, and and Peter says, yeah,
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Speaker 2: a gated alleyway is it has a gate.
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Speaker 1: And Patrick so kind of like a dugout.
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Speaker 2: Almost. No, it's like a just to you know how
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Speaker 2: all these cages are nets and they stick together. There's
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Speaker 2: like a separation between all the nets and then one
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Speaker 2: net and there's an alleyway and that.
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Speaker 1: But that alleyway has a cage around it.
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Speaker 2: It has nets.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so not a kid not.
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Speaker 2: The batting cages are on either side, but they're only nets.
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Speaker 2: It's not hard cages. They're nets on either side. So
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Speaker 2: people are hitting baseballs on either side of This alley
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Speaker 2: does have a gate. Peter says, it's a gated alleyway.
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Speaker 2: Gino says, what's it for. He says it's for employees
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Speaker 2: only and for maintenance. We go back there to inspect
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Speaker 2: the pitching machines. The blah blah blah. Patrick says there's
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Speaker 2: no sign and there's no gate. Later he will amend
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Speaker 2: his statement to say that there was a gate but
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Speaker 2: it was open, but there is no sign saying employees only.
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Speaker 2: Peter does not refute this. Later we will hear that
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Speaker 2: there are signs up that say this is where you
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Speaker 2: should stand, but there is no sign on the gate
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Speaker 2: that says employees only. Okay, Peter doesn't disagree with that,
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Speaker 2: but there is a gate, it is open. It's employees
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Speaker 2: maintenance only, according to Peter. So Patrick says, I went
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Speaker 2: to the alleyway so I could still see my kid
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Speaker 2: hit while I'm on the phone. I don't know why
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Speaker 2: you couldn't stand behind I don't. He goes over there,
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Speaker 2: so he's at like a forty five degree angle. His
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Speaker 2: kid's a ridy, and he's on the phone and he's
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Speaker 2: watching his kid and a baseball gets hit directly at
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Speaker 2: him and it goes through the net, sure and hits him.
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Speaker 2: As he says, right in my family jewels. It's what
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Speaker 2: he says, Yeah great. At this point is left testicle ruptures.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that word rupture.
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Speaker 2: I don't either. I heard when he said it.
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Speaker 1: Like that gives me like it's just like exploding.
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Speaker 2: His left testical ruptures. And he says, still to this day,
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Speaker 2: I have constant pain from just below my belly button
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Speaker 2: all the way.
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Speaker 1: Down all the way down to his feet, or just
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Speaker 1: all the way to his boys. Not that far.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean sure, go ahead, so Patrick for me, Yeah, good,
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Speaker 2: let's keep going.
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Speaker 1: It's good. That's good, is it?
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Speaker 3: Don't? So? Uh?
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Speaker 2: Basically? Uh. Gina's like, okay, Peter, did you see the incident?
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Speaker 2: Were you there? Did you see it? Peter's like, I
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Speaker 2: didn't see it. I was there, I was on site.
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Speaker 2: And here, honor, we have an impeccable safety record. We've
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Speaker 2: had zero incidents. Wow, in over three years of running
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Speaker 2: this business.
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Speaker 1: That's great.
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Speaker 2: And so this incident shocked me. And Genis said, well,
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Speaker 2: what did you do? And he said, well, you're ready
18:13
Speaker 2: for this. The paramedic beat me to the incident. And
18:18
Speaker 2: he said, what do you mean the paramedic And he says,
18:20
Speaker 2: the paramedic we have on site. Geno says, you have
18:24
Speaker 2: a paramedic on staff and he says, yes, sir, I do.
18:30
Speaker 2: Geno says, looks over at Candace and Patrick. He goes, Folks,
18:34
Speaker 2: to have a paramedic on staff at a batting cage
18:38
Speaker 2: is a big deal. Wouldn't you agree that he's taken
18:41
Speaker 2: precautions there? And Patrick and Candace say yes. And then
18:46
Speaker 2: Candace says, if that means he's anticipating something bad is
18:51
Speaker 2: going to happen, that's what he means. So Geno says,
18:54
Speaker 2: so you think a paramedic is there because he knows
18:56
Speaker 2: there's going to be an incident, and Candas says yes,
18:59
Speaker 2: and Gino goes, but that's a good thing, right, and
19:02
Speaker 2: Candas is sometimes being that cautious isn't a good thing.
19:06
Speaker 2: It's suspect. And Gino says, I got to give you
19:09
Speaker 2: a short legal lesson here. Having a paramedic that you
19:11
Speaker 2: pay on staff, that shows that you care. It is
19:15
Speaker 2: not that is not saying we're gonna have injuries. He should.
19:18
Speaker 2: He's spending money in his own pocket to show you
19:21
Speaker 2: that he cares about your well being. She stays quiet.
19:26
Speaker 2: So Peter says, the paramedic sees the incident, he calls
19:29
Speaker 2: nine one one. She calls nine one one immediately. I
19:32
Speaker 2: was very concerned. And Candas is like, you were concerned
19:35
Speaker 2: because your facility is faulty and it's just and Geno's
19:39
Speaker 2: ordering the court hoole bit.
19:40
Speaker 1: Let's take it down.
19:40
Speaker 2: So then Gino makes Patrick go over to the plasma
19:45
Speaker 2: and show this diagram. So Patrick limps on over, just
19:52
Speaker 2: just hop alongs on over and there's a diagram where
19:55
Speaker 2: there's the alleyway and it's pretty clear there's like three
19:58
Speaker 2: caged nets there's one alley way, there's another one, and
20:01
Speaker 2: there's a gate on the screen. It's open, right, so
20:04
Speaker 2: he shows it. Peter's like, hey, only employees should go
20:08
Speaker 2: back there. There are signs that shay where you should be.
20:10
Speaker 2: There's a gate. Only employees should go back there. Patrick says,
20:14
Speaker 2: there was a gate, it's wide open. I'm on the phone.
20:16
Speaker 2: There's no sign I went back there. Peter says, your honor,
20:21
Speaker 2: if he's paying attention at all and he's not in
20:24
Speaker 2: an illegal area, that this doesn't happen. If you're just
20:28
Speaker 2: paying attention a little bit, this doesn't happen. And Gina's like, well,
20:32
Speaker 2: how did it happen? How the ball hit you? Aren't
20:35
Speaker 2: the nets supposed to stop the ball. That's well, Patrick
20:39
Speaker 2: has a service log of every single thing that happens.
20:42
Speaker 2: His general manager is there. It's impeccable. He says it again.
20:46
Speaker 2: The family Madenance log shows that there was a netting
20:49
Speaker 2: issue in that batting cage net, and it shows that
20:52
Speaker 2: it was fixed with the industry standard duct tape, which
20:56
Speaker 2: is the duct tape they use to combine the nets
20:59
Speaker 2: when they're fixed. His industry standard and it's there. Well,
21:03
Speaker 2: Harvey Stewart. The GM comes in, he brings a net in.
21:05
Speaker 2: He shows how he taped it up. It's boring, he said,
21:08
Speaker 2: we never had an incident like this. Well, Patrick's like, look,
21:11
Speaker 2: you may have taped the net, but the ball got
21:13
Speaker 2: through the net. The ball is on the other side
21:16
Speaker 2: of the net after it hits his ball like at
21:18
Speaker 2: the baseball gets through the net. The net doesn't stop it, okay,
21:24
Speaker 2: And Peter says, look, anytime we have these instances, we
21:28
Speaker 2: fix them. We have a log that we continually fix them.
21:31
Speaker 2: This may have gone.
21:33
Speaker 1: By, I mean just going through the net.
21:36
Speaker 2: The net being broken is what he's talking about. If
21:40
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have been there, it never would have happened.
21:43
Speaker 2: It's clearly marked. Now there's an argument over if it's
21:46
Speaker 2: clearly marked, which I've already gone through with you. There's
21:49
Speaker 2: yelling and screaming back and forth. Geno calls old. Peter says,
21:53
Speaker 2: it's a gated area. I don't know how much clear
21:55
Speaker 2: I can make it. Gina says, was the gate open?
21:57
Speaker 2: The General manager says.
21:59
Speaker 3: Yes, explain the gate to me. Because so if the
22:01
Speaker 3: alleyways are just nets, like what.
22:03
Speaker 2: Is on either side, I think the gate like the
22:05
Speaker 2: way they had it. It looked like a gate to
22:07
Speaker 2: a farm, like how it was like a triangle. But
22:10
Speaker 2: I don't know, we don't get to see a picture
22:11
Speaker 2: of I'm just having They agree that the net the
22:14
Speaker 2: gate is open and should have been closed. They agree
22:17
Speaker 2: on that, sure, right, So he then brings in a
22:20
Speaker 2: urologist who puts a giant picture of a testicle on
22:24
Speaker 2: the plasma screen. And the thing about plasma screens is
22:27
Speaker 2: if you don't have any ambient light coming in, it
22:29
Speaker 2: is crystal clear. Sure, I mean, it's like O lead
22:32
Speaker 2: before oh lead. So we get a big nutshot here,
22:36
Speaker 2: like a bit like a giant but it's like.
22:38
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like you know metas diagree y, yes, ok, yeah,
22:42
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.
22:43
Speaker 2: And he basically talks about what happens with a rupture testicle.
22:47
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different things and if you need
22:48
Speaker 2: to remove a testcl blah blah blah. Yeah, it's not great.
22:51
Speaker 2: But one thing he says is that a rupture testicle
22:54
Speaker 2: would not one would not stop you from fathering any
22:57
Speaker 2: kids in the future. You can continue on. And also
23:00
Speaker 2: the pain shouldn't last fathering. Do you mean like no, no, no,
23:04
Speaker 2: like biologically having a child, so you can still you
23:07
Speaker 2: can still do that. Yes, and not only that, you
23:10
Speaker 2: only need one that's right to go, that's right, one
23:13
Speaker 2: not to go. But also his pain shouldn't last forever.
23:17
Speaker 2: Two and three, that the only thing that would keep
23:20
Speaker 2: him from fathering a kid or being intimate with his
23:22
Speaker 2: wife after he completely healed is him being hesitant mental. Yeah,
23:27
Speaker 2: it's psychological, right, And he says, I'm a eurologist. I
23:30
Speaker 2: can't account for that.
23:32
Speaker 1: So how long ago did this happen?
23:33
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I don't I don't know, I don't know.
23:36
Speaker 2: Oh no, she's gonna say it here in a second,
23:39
Speaker 2: because uh, Gina wants to move to the inconsortium. Part
23:42
Speaker 2: of it's the loss of consortium. And he goes to Candace,
23:44
Speaker 2: and Candace conjures up some tears and she says, we've
23:48
Speaker 2: always planned on having at least three kids. For the
23:50
Speaker 2: last six months he's been healed, we've been trying. It's
23:54
Speaker 2: not happening. He won't let me near him. Okay, she's like,
23:59
Speaker 2: Patrick says, it's been difficult. At this point, Peter says
24:03
Speaker 2: it could be her mouth. He says that in the
24:08
Speaker 2: court room like that He says it could be her mouth, and.
24:12
Speaker 1: By that he means she talks.
24:14
Speaker 2: Gino loses it on this dude, like, how dare you
24:18
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Peter apologizes to the court, your honor, apologize,
24:23
Speaker 2: apologize to the court. Patrick's like, I've seen counseling. I've
24:26
Speaker 2: been depressed. I can't run, I can't move around, can't
24:29
Speaker 2: sleep at night. I have to sleep in one position always,
24:31
Speaker 2: can't do all the things I used to do with
24:33
Speaker 2: my kids. I just it's been hard, real roy Hard.
24:37
Speaker 2: Peter says, as a man, I certainly feel his pain,
24:39
Speaker 2: and had he never wandered into this area, we would
24:43
Speaker 2: have never met. Gino is ready to rule thirty k past, medical,
24:50
Speaker 2: one thirty k future. I'm assuming that is counseling in nature,
24:56
Speaker 2: one fifty K loss of consortium, six nine pain, and
25:01
Speaker 2: suffering one million dollars.
25:04
Speaker 3: So you know, I know how Gino operates here. He
25:08
Speaker 3: gotta be over fifty one percent at fault to be
25:12
Speaker 3: found guilty teaching this in this situation. And I do
25:17
Speaker 3: think that the gate being open without a sign.
25:23
Speaker 1: Does make him liable.
25:25
Speaker 3: Now, I understand you have signs saying this is where
25:28
Speaker 3: you stand. But if there's not a sign saying employees only,
25:35
Speaker 3: that's opening you up for situations like this now, granted
25:39
Speaker 3: has never happened before, hopefully never happens again. Impeccable, impeccable.
25:43
Speaker 3: But I do find him at fault, at least fifty
25:47
Speaker 3: one percent that fault.
25:50
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know how.
25:51
Speaker 3: I do think part of this is also on our
25:55
Speaker 3: guy over here, right, Like you.
25:58
Speaker 1: You're told to stand back there, you decide not too.
26:01
Speaker 1: Granted there's a sign, but you know, not a sign.
26:04
Speaker 1: I mean, so, I personally would never walk out in
26:08
Speaker 1: front of where this is happening. There's a reason why
26:12
Speaker 1: you stand behind.
26:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:14
Speaker 3: Common sense says that if you go in front, you
26:17
Speaker 3: are opening yourself up.
26:19
Speaker 2: Common senses, if you stand somewhere in the purview of
26:22
Speaker 2: the battery, your nut could get hitten.
26:23
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, especially when it's just a net. That's right,
26:27
Speaker 3: it's not a cage, a net.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm just gonna say that it's just a
26:32
Speaker 1: fifty one percent that fault.
26:33
Speaker 3: So I think it's gonna get happy for that money.
26:36
Speaker 3: I think that's what we're gonna do here.
26:37
Speaker 2: You know what, brand That's what I'd have done. Okay,
26:40
Speaker 2: that's not what Judge Gino did. Wow, Okay, Judge Gino says,
26:44
Speaker 2: you have to prove that mister Jones Uh committed a
26:47
Speaker 2: wrong that caused your injury. You've proven that wrong, and
26:51
Speaker 2: the net didn't protect you as it should. There wasn't
26:54
Speaker 2: a sign the gate was closed. The gate was open,
26:58
Speaker 2: and I understand why you followed filed the lawsuit. Safety
27:00
Speaker 2: nets are for safety and are not supposed to fail.
27:03
Speaker 2: This one did. The gate was opened, there was no sign.
27:06
Speaker 2: Here's thirty k for past, Here's one thirty k for future.
27:09
Speaker 2: Here's one fifty k for loss of consortium. Here's six
27:13
Speaker 2: ninety for pain in the here's a million dollars on
27:18
Speaker 2: the million dollars for his left testicle.
27:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he still made the choice.
27:24
Speaker 2: A million brand.
27:26
Speaker 1: I could not.
27:26
Speaker 2: And you know what else, It is clear to me,
27:29
Speaker 2: as someone who sympathized with this dude, when he said
27:31
Speaker 2: ruptured his left testicle, I doubled over. But they are
27:36
Speaker 2: playing like if you watch them, Candice and Patrick are
27:40
Speaker 2: playing this up to become millionaires. In my head, I
27:44
Speaker 2: was like, they are, they are trying to do this.
27:47
Speaker 2: It was wild out there, just.
27:52
Speaker 1: Batting cage place watches this and decides to invest in
27:57
Speaker 1: actual like fences.
28:00
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, yeah, the indoors is tough. Outdoors,
28:04
Speaker 2: you can do it. Indoors is tough. It's tough indoors.
28:07
Speaker 2: It's tough from a fire safety thing, sure, because you
28:09
Speaker 2: get in there. It's a different animal. I think that's
28:11
Speaker 2: what it is.
28:11
Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't know, boy.
28:12
Speaker 2: What a gavel brand.
28:14
Speaker 3: You throw up some chain length fins from top to bottom,
28:18
Speaker 3: top to bottom, stem to stern.
28:19
Speaker 2: Stem to stern. You got to connect it because you
28:21
Speaker 2: can't have the balls getting through.
28:23
Speaker 1: I understand.
28:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if you just go up to like eight
28:26
Speaker 3: like we're on the height of a human and then.
28:29
Speaker 2: You go nett Dude, you've done it right. Aluminum seven
28:35
Speaker 2: eight feet aluminum netting above. That's a great idea.
28:39
Speaker 3: Well, it's like it's like it's like hockey at that point.
28:42
Speaker 3: Hockey has the thing and then it goes to net
28:45
Speaker 3: up there.
28:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like the mouse in the in the in
28:48
Speaker 2: the baseball there's a wall wall and there's.
28:53
Speaker 1: Out everybody. Wow, what a couple of cases today.
28:56
Speaker 2: Man can't believe those were in the same That should
28:58
Speaker 2: have been the bramble Fest. No, man, we really did it. Well,
29:02
Speaker 2: what can you do? We'll see what we do next time.
29:05
Speaker 2: We'll be back soon and then until then.
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Speaker 3: Rise.
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