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Detroit Tigers Redemption Tour · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tigers Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Bowl Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Secley with me as always as a man who's always
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  Speaker 1: been one to one in my book. Yes, Cody Stavin Eggan,
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  Speaker 1: how you doing? Hey?
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  Speaker 2: Doing good, Karen. We're back to an old tradition for
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  Speaker 2: those who followed the old Turning the Corner pod. The
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  Speaker 2: Tigers lose on Sundays when we record, really messes up
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  Speaker 2: all the talking points we had going still have to
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  Speaker 2: a good encourage start for the year.
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  Speaker 1: But man, they.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of let one slip away on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. And we'll we'll we'll get to like
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  Speaker 1: the schoolbul aspect of it and anything else, and obviously
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  Speaker 1: the carry carpenter thing, and we should probably talk about
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  Speaker 1: that here in a second. The little that we know,
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  Speaker 1: but I on a just like general porsteit, Cody, like,
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  Speaker 1: actually that might be a theme is that I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be like, all right, when this happened, I was prepared
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  Speaker 1: to kind of shape everything this way, and then this happened,
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  Speaker 1: and so like I have to kind of throw away
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  Speaker 1: all these notes and like digging that I had done
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  Speaker 1: and and that, and honestly that was the case today
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  Speaker 1: because I was prepared to kind of go in on uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, how do we classify the Tigers? Like honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna do talk about old you know, themes
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast, Like I was about to go in
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  Speaker 1: and be like do like kind of like the tongue
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  Speaker 1: in cheek, like are the Tigers good?
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  Speaker 2: You know because of you, I was ready for that too.
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  Speaker 3: We can still do it, We still do it, like
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  Speaker 3: are they good?
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they're good, Yes, they are good. Like like
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  Speaker 1: this is me speaking right now on Easter Sunday, April twenty,
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  Speaker 1: Like I believe the Tigers are good to the extent
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  Speaker 1: that I was like researching stuff that I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna hold on too, because I don't think to day
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  Speaker 1: is like the best day after an extra ending loss
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  Speaker 1: to Unveil. But like, yes, I do believe the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: are good. Yes, I think their starting pitching is a
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  Speaker 1: strength of the team. Not everybody believes that, Cody, but
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  Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe that the starting pitching is
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  Speaker 1: the strength of the team. And you got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hitters on the in this lineup that can do
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  Speaker 1: some damage. Maybe one might not be here for a second,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll again, we'll we'll get to that. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was prepared to do like a whole thing about
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  Speaker 1: the the Tigers good blah blah blah blah. I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna do a bias thing. It doesn't seem appropriate to
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  Speaker 1: do right now, so basically to do like a short recap.
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  Speaker 1: The Tigers had a good outing from Terrek schoolbl a
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  Speaker 1: good outing from Tarrek school ball. I intentionally said that twice,
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  Speaker 1: and they scratch and clawed their way to a late
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  Speaker 1: game lead, had their most marketable hitter. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was a good way to put it. With the bases
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  Speaker 1: loaded and one out to add to that lead, and
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  Speaker 1: he grounds into like the worst double play that you
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  Speaker 1: could ground into, which is to home and then to
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  Speaker 1: first and then you and then you air your way
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  Speaker 1: with hoavier bias to this point, a feel good story
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  Speaker 1: on this team, and all of a sudden you're down
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  Speaker 1: and you know, or excuse me, you're tied, You lose
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  Speaker 1: extra endings. It feels like a one that got away unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: kind of the theme for Trent's sports this weekend. But
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  Speaker 1: like you know, it feels like one that got away,
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  Speaker 1: but overall, like, look, we're gonna be real here. Three
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  Speaker 1: out of four against the divisional foe, like, yes the Tiger,
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  Speaker 1: the Tiger are okay right now, and yes the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: are good.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to get ratings, Karen? Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to get some clicks? Should we say? Do the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: lack a killer instinct?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I heard the headline.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, because that's what I heard of my draft home.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, I mean, look, I know they have
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  Speaker 2: not finished off series well to start this year, but
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  Speaker 2: like this, this is baseball. That's just not really a thing,
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  Speaker 2: Like I just can't get there. Yes, they should have
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  Speaker 2: won Sunday's game. Yes, you would like to see them
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  Speaker 2: sweep the Twins or whatever, but it's it's it's not
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  Speaker 2: that easy. They had their ace on the mound. And
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  Speaker 2: let's go right into this because people are talking about
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  Speaker 2: Trek Scouble like like there's been a disappointment. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think terk School's e r A is crrio? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you would you would think that he has a sub
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  Speaker 2: three e r A. You would think Turk Schouogl gave
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  Speaker 2: up six runs and three ings. Trek Scooble went five.
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  Speaker 2: He gave up two runs. He allowed seven hits. They
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  Speaker 2: were all singles. The Royals had a really good approach.
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  Speaker 2: They're pretty aggressive. They chipped away, they took him to
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  Speaker 2: the opposite field. I think every single one of their
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  Speaker 2: hits was to center right. And yet you look at
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  Speaker 2: like the underlying data. He had a thirty six called
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  Speaker 2: strike with percentage. The change up was as good as ever.
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  Speaker 2: His command probably wasn't as precise as it could be,
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  Speaker 2: as precise as like shutout level Trek Scooble is, but
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  Speaker 2: Rek Scooble is doing just fine. His outing Sunday maybe imperfect.
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  Speaker 2: They drove his pitch count up a little bit, so
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  Speaker 2: he only went five, but it was still, as you said, twice,
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  Speaker 2: a good outing. There is no reason for concern. He's
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  Speaker 2: had I think one dominant start and several pretty good ones.
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  Speaker 2: In a way, I think it starts like today that
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  Speaker 2: kind of determined the best of the best. The old
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  Speaker 2: adage like tin starts, you're gonna have your best stuff,
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  Speaker 2: ten starts, you're gonna have nothing. What do you do
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  Speaker 2: with the ten in between? I think today was one
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  Speaker 2: of the in between, and Schooble allowed two runs in
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  Speaker 2: five innings.
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  Speaker 1: You'll take that. Yeah, So honestly, like one of the
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  Speaker 1: ways that I was looking at this was when he
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  Speaker 1: got when he allowed the two runs there and what
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  Speaker 1: was at the second nding, third ending second any I
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  Speaker 1: was telling my wife, I was like, he's gonna he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna strike out the you know for the third out,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's going to yell into like the glove
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  Speaker 1: and you know, do like the school bol thing. And
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  Speaker 1: what he didn't do that. He actually just kind of
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  Speaker 1: walked off and he looked kind of like like he
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  Speaker 1: just looked. He just looked like pissed, not like overtly
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  Speaker 1: like you you know what I mean. Like there's a
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  Speaker 1: difference like if Trek Schoolball felt that he wasn't giving
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  Speaker 1: good stuff again just good stuff, good stuff, then he
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  Speaker 1: would have been like I ranked at himself, you see
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like he was, but he he
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  Speaker 1: knew that he was getting like beat in that moment
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  Speaker 1: because they had scored some runs. But he also knew
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  Speaker 1: that he wasn't getting like outdone, he wasn't getting overmatched.
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  Speaker 1: He like he looked like a guy that honestly, if
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  Speaker 1: outside of the competitive anger that he felt at that time,
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  Speaker 1: he probably would have admitted like in that moment, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's baseball, you know what I mean. Like like
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he felt like overwhelmed by what they
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  Speaker 1: but by what had happened. You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's also only runs. We all understand that. But like scoopl,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how he talked postgame, but like he
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  Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, okay, I was pretty good and they
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  Speaker 1: just kinda they just kind of got me here a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times that resulted in a couple of runs,
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  Speaker 1: not like he was laying it out there, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So like that, yeah, it's like pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Much what he was like postgame. Like he was pretty
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  Speaker 2: level headed, you could tell. I mean, he holds himself
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  Speaker 2: to a very high standard, so he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the execution could have been a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: He also credited them for having a good game plan.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's all there is to it. So like instead
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  Speaker 2: of this, you know, sounding the alarm over a Sunday
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  Speaker 2: getaway game against the Royals, I think I think there's
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  Speaker 2: probably only one thing that happened today that we were
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  Speaker 2: even going to remember maybe at the end of season,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's Scarry Carpenter because our guys, he's hurting.
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  Speaker 2: He left the game and what was it the eighth
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  Speaker 2: and bottom of the eighth, top nine, and we didn't
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  Speaker 2: know why at the time. Ryan Kreidler came in for him.
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  Speaker 2: Kreidler went over to center field. There's really only one reason, right,
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  Speaker 2: there was a suspicion he was injured. I guess it
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  Speaker 2: could have been like a defensive substitution, but Carpenter was
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  Speaker 2: due up in the ninth inning, so I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you would take away that at bat from him. Sure enough,
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  Speaker 2: he's dealing with right hamstring soreness. Sounds like it happened
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  Speaker 2: on the technically ruled an infield single where the Royals,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pitched it into nowhere. And I went back
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  Speaker 2: and looked at that video. There was really no sign
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  Speaker 2: of him even reacting or looking like he was in pain.
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  Speaker 2: So did not see Kerry after the game. But aj Hinch,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he sat down. He was immediately asked as
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  Speaker 2: carry okay, and he said no, and then he I
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  Speaker 2: think realizes how that sounded and was kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, right hamstring swareness we're gonna give him evaluated.
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  Speaker 2: But I think just that initial read didn't seem great.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime a guy's leaving with a hamstring not great. I
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  Speaker 2: guess carp did technically play through a left hamstring injury
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  Speaker 2: in the Alds, but not like he was one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent by any means. And this isn't the playoffs. He's
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  Speaker 2: an outfielder. I think there's a real fear that Carrie
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  Speaker 2: could be headed toward an ile stint. We'll hopefully get
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  Speaker 2: an answer to that Monday. So if you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: this Monday, sorry if this is outdated, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it reflects kind of a bigger storyline right now. The
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  Speaker 2: Tigers are off to a thirteen to nine start. They
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  Speaker 2: are eight and two at home, eight and two against
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  Speaker 2: their division. All of these great things are happening, and
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  Speaker 2: this team has played well. This team has shown convincing
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  Speaker 2: evidence that they are good. But I think the rubber
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  Speaker 2: is about to meet the road because we saw last
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  Speaker 2: year what this lineup can look like without carry Carpenter.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big presence to lose. It's a big left
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  Speaker 2: handed presence to lose. The whole lineup feels a little
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  Speaker 2: bit different when he is not in it at. On
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  Speaker 2: top of that, the state of your a bullpen right now,
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  Speaker 2: it's been pretty taxed. You're operating with a seven man
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  Speaker 2: bullpen that's really a six man bullpen. So you have
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  Speaker 2: Kintamata that's really a five man bullpin. Because now Breby
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  Speaker 2: is injured and Brisky is injured, and you have Bailey
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  Speaker 2: Horn cater Montero is going to make one more start.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be in Game one against the Padres.
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  Speaker 2: We sh talked about that a little bit more because
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting what the Tigers are doing there. You know,
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: maybe eventually you get they get this back to an
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: eight man pin, but the state of the pin is
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  Speaker 2: not good, and if the pin gets in a bad way,
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  Speaker 2: that can blow up a week plus for teams. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it happen before. And then the Padres, the hottest team,
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  Speaker 2: the team that's off to the best start in baseball,
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  Speaker 2: is rolling into town. There are some things that could
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  Speaker 2: wreck the feel good nature. I'm not saying it's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen, but I'm saying the Tigers are about to
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  Speaker 2: be really tested in the next week to ten days,
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  Speaker 2: I think, and.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about what those tests could be after a
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  Speaker 1: Me bingers and not be eyes. I'm just glad they
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  Speaker 1: have the poets room for the Tigers.
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  Speaker 2: In the pond band sports Now what Tigers guys.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Stream all right? Coming back here? Like the carry Carpenter aspect,
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  Speaker 1: because I I had talked about sort of like not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily really being able to kind of wrap my arms
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  Speaker 1: around his season, and that's a me thing, Cody like,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm still struggling with Like I like to judge
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  Speaker 1: people by how like they're used, so like the coat,
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  Speaker 1: how the coach uses them. I think that's a really
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  Speaker 1: great indicator in every sport. And a J. Hinch is
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  Speaker 1: always going to keep you on your toes, including by
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  Speaker 1: the way, putting carry Carpenter in the leadoff spot right
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  Speaker 1: and like and you got Zach McKinstry in the three hole,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, like if you ever bet on that
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: in January, like collect your winnings now and go buy
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  Speaker 1: your new mansion because odds of that happening, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: we're we're not that high. But but Carrie had been
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  Speaker 1: hitting well, and you know he had like the highlight
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  Speaker 1: moments against lefties. He's he came into today with the
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  Speaker 1: two ninety averages, he has, the five home runs, he's
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  Speaker 1: had the flash hits. I think is a good way
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  Speaker 1: to say it. And excuse me, been given a higher
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  Speaker 1: burden defensively right because he has started I guess I
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  Speaker 1: don't know this for one hundred percent fact because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't double check it before we came on here, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing this is the most starts in a short
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  Speaker 1: period of time in left field that Carry Carpenter has
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  Speaker 1: ever had in the major leagues. I'm just guessing because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get all that many starts in left field.
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  Speaker 2: He's started eleven games in left field, five games in
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  Speaker 2: right field already. So and he has started one game
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  Speaker 2: at DH.
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  Speaker 1: Which what do we see? Like we thought DH was.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of his role, Yeah, yeah, and and so and
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  Speaker 3: obviously there are myriad reasons why that has not been
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  Speaker 3: the case, but like he had been given a higher
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  Speaker 3: leverage usage offensively and defensively.
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  Speaker 1: To start this season and obviously had handled it well. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: if he does go on the il Cody, I like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to repeat a line that I said,
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  Speaker 1: like last week or whatever. When Brewer Hickling got like
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  Speaker 1: brought up to the team, I was like, well, there's
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  Speaker 1: only one outfielder on the forty man. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess it had like when Margo. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Margo Margo is close or whatever. I have no idea,
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  Speaker 1: but like when when Like I guess it has to
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  Speaker 1: be Brewer, or when's the last time of when's the
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  Speaker 1: Cody Cody? When was the last time a forty man?
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  Speaker 1: Like there was a df A? One was the last time?
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  Speaker 1: Like for this team, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Been a little bit, right, I don't remember or something
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  Speaker 2: was that I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Even know was it. I think it might have been.
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  Speaker 1: I think it might have been a pre spring training.
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  Speaker 1: I think that might have been the last DFA. Like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. So if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I apologize everybody. But I think that might have been
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  Speaker 1: the last forty man move And so like was was
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  Speaker 1: that for flairity like or maybe that was a cop
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  Speaker 1: but regardless, like it's all right there. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was Badoo and Horn. I think we're like they're pretty
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  Speaker 1: close there for Cob and uh for Cob and Flair.
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  Speaker 2: Horn was flairity, but was DFA in December for for
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  Speaker 2: Alex Cobb. Regardless, I think that Kulba Do could be
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  Speaker 2: a candidate to come back up, but then you would
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  Speaker 2: have to make a forty man move, and so in
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  Speaker 2: a way, I feel like you might be just choosing
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  Speaker 2: between through Hickling and Aba. Dude, you want the right
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  Speaker 2: handed bat or the left handed bat. Both have some speed,
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  Speaker 2: both can in theory play three outfield spots. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know for sure, you know if Hicklin would be worse
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  Speaker 2: or better than but Do in center field. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have a lot up in the air.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Matt Manning is still in the forty
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  Speaker 2: and he's just melting down in triple A. If you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to move him to the bullpen, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure what the point of having him on the forty man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I know that sounds hard to I mean it.
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  Speaker 2: This is Matt's livelihood, so so I'm sorry. That's yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna be on the forty man, you have
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  Speaker 2: to be a viable option to be called up to
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  Speaker 2: the major leagues, and you can't really call it. Matt
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  Speaker 2: Manning at the starting pitcher right now. That's that's really
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  Speaker 2: what I miss say. There a Kuba Doo I think
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  Speaker 2: could be an option, Brewer Hicklin could be an option.
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  Speaker 2: Probably one of those two guys. I don't think you're
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  Speaker 2: feeling great about your outfield, uh when you're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: one of those two and Ryan Kreidler, you know as
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  Speaker 2: maybe playing in the same game, not ideal. Margo probably
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  Speaker 2: be back feelings unlikely. I don't think he's going to
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  Speaker 2: start a rehab assignment until maybe the start of May,
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  Speaker 2: so he's still a little bit away and then we're
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  Speaker 2: still more than a month out from Parker Meadows and
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  Speaker 2: that's best case scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, these are the things Gody that like again,
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  Speaker 1: like if you want to over react to one game
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, this is obviously one that you let slip away.
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  Speaker 1: And if they were the White Sox coming into town,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: are you feeling the same way? Probably not, although you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in respect to them, they they you know, they want
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  Speaker 1: today against against Boston, But like it's the Padres coming
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  Speaker 1: in and there the floor, Like it's a very real scenario.
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  Speaker 1: We start this podcast the Tigers are good. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very real scenario that there's a little bit of floor
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  Speaker 1: coming out from you a little bit here. For a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: couple of days, it's like like that exists because like
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: like like my wife asked me, it's like, oh, what's uh,
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  Speaker 1: what's what's wrong with X player? Like, Oh, it's an
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  Speaker 1: oblique Oh it's a shoulder. Oh it's a hamstring. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: it's like I feel repetitive saying that, you know what
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I mean. But but like, but that's that's not even
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: just like trying to construct your roster or your lineup
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: around all these things. And uh, and Riley Green hasn't
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily like and I know he had the day we
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: talked about him being back or whatever for Friday's podcast,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: but like that was a big situation that you would
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: have liked him to come through today and it didn't happen.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Not going to overreact to it, but that's just like
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the fact of the matter, which the opponents still respect
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: him because he was zero for four and he got
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: intentional watah for for Dylan Dingler, who actually like it
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: worked out and Dinglers not Riley in terms of track record.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But that's a situation where it's like, oh, I don't
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: know if you really want to like intentionally want for
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Dylan Tingler, but regardless it worked out for them. Blah
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: blah blah. So I'm not going to criticize. But there's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of little things that are adding up that we, like, Cody,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that have led to this, you know, pretty damn good start.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But some of those little things are also adding up
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: in this other column that are like, is this could
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: a rough patch be coming? So like that's that, That's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that's reality and that's okay. Uh, we'll go a little
• 19:58
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  Speaker 2: Quick fact check here In the last forty Man move,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Mason England was DFA to make room for Jack Flaherty.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Before that, Alex Fayato was DFA to make herm for Tommy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Kinley Man Your boys Off. Well, there were so many,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: There were so many, like of the one Ish contract moves,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I just like I just lost track. Okay, But if
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there was ever a time and Saturday Tigers Twitter was
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: honestly like a lot of fun, and I mean that seriously,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: because you had people being like, is this redemption for Alavila?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And and then people being like, no, he was him
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and his administration were awful. They set this team back
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: xpended years. The boring answer is Cody, that multiple things
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: are true. The bottom line is that Casey on for
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: one day, for one day, it all came together. For
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: one day, the dream of the Tigers rebuild was Saturday.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe not the year that they like would have designated,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: but it was Saturday because you had Casey Mice who
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was damn good, not only but damn good. And then
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Spencer Torklsen has the three run bomb that ends up
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: being the difference, and for a day, for a day,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the one to one picks, the much maligned one to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: one picks, showed out and got the Tigers, in this case,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a series victory against the ovisinalupont And that was fun
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: You'd say one day, you could say for the first
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one games of the season, Casey Mice has
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a two point two to two e er. Spencer Torklesen
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: leads the American League in extra base hits. Like the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Tigers would not be off to this start with without
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: without both of them. Suddenly playing very much to their potential.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: My as I've said before, like, I'm pretty bought in
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: as long as he continues, if his body holds up
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: and he continues to throw pitches, you know, the caliber
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: stuff he's displaying right now, I think he's going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: continue to have success. The arsenal's really good. I mean,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: teams can tweak their their game plans and such against him,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But if you're executing avert fastball and you're commanding it,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I think Maz is commanding the fastball the best we've
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: seen him as a pro. That's probably the underrated part
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: in all this. We talk a lot about the splitter
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and the variations of the slider. He just has a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: really good recipe. I think is going to keep working.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: And then similar thing with Tork, Like I will be
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: curious how pitchers begin adjusting to him. And still it's baseball.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: He's going to hit a little bit of a rut.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: How will he handle that? But just the different pitches
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he's covering and driving, it seems like something that can
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: be to some degree, you know, sustainable. Like it's hard
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: not to be optimistic. It's hard not to sit here
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and talk about like, oh my gosh, how does that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: change the complexion of this entire team? If you can
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: count on both these guys to perform at this level
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: for one hundred and sixty two. I'm not saying that's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a guarantee, but I'm saying like it's It's like, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: don't think this twenty games is just fantasy for either
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: one of them either.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So I really went back and forth because I was
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: going to ask you, so then therefore I have to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: like answer it myself. It's like, who do I have
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: more confidence in over the course of a season. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I was prepared to say mis for like the reasons
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that you gave, and I wouldn't even say, like, I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: moving off that. But the tour Comebran on Saturday. It
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was great. At that it was great. Well, here's the thing.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's not just that it was a great at bat, Cody,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is that the previous at bat I feel like set
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: it up. No one's talking about this because in a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: lot of ways it was a bad at bat for
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Torque because he was swinging out of the zone, he
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: was expanding the strike zone, but he still got it
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to like what seven, you know, seven pitches or whatever,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and he ends up punching out, I think, but like
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh man, like he he was down two
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: one two whatever it was, and he worked that at bat.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't get anything out of it. But the next
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: time he comes to the plate, he gets down, he
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: works the at bat and then he finally but then
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he finally gets the pitch. That's a mistake where it's like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: all right, you tried to throw it in it was
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in middle and then and then he launches it and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like that sequence that bounce back, because those are that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: first of that could have been a good thing that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he build on, which is what happened, or in years
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: previous a lot of time was something that further dragged
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: him down. Right and in this instance, like I don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: like the stand stuff is real and you know the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: swing plays and all that stuff, Like I I get that,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I understand that. I'm not dismissing that those are the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: kind of things I'm looking for when we're gonna use
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: s words sustainable, like if you're gonna be able to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: stack that at bat and take it to your next
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: step back, get in a similar situation and then come
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: through the two outs, like that gives me more confidence
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: than then then most than most other like just one
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: off home runs because we've seen Torque have a lot
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of one off home runs. You see what I'm saying.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But but the case of my stuff is real too.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And I also wanted to go Cody. I wanted to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: go to Jackson Job because what I said earlier about
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: like you know, kind of formulating, all right, this is happening.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna kind of like, you know, this is
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: my thoughts here, and then I'm gonna get some stats
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to back it up and blah blah blah. Like I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: kept going back to Chris Brown, who had asked Scott
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Harris about like Jackson Job just like not being able
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to like have any deception with with with his throws.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And I was like, it felt like in the beginning
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of that game, Cody a lot of balls out of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: hand for Jackson Job. So I was like, I got
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: my notepad and I'm like, all right, so you know
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: this this this, I'm gonna go back and watch the game.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna count the amount of balls out of hand
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that Jackson Jobe has. Then he got his ish together
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and so I don't have to do that today because
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Jackson Joe was quite good. He was quite good. I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna count the balls out of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: hand that he had, uh you know, in the City
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Connect uniform. He looked great. He had the game cody,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that flash, as I say, like the pitching ninja stuff
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and kind of the boring stuff like he he had
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it all working on Friday for the Tigers and I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and again that had that was as encouraging a start.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And it's not like he's had a lot, but that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: was as encouraging an outing as I've seen from Jackson
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Joe because it if it included all the stuff, including
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: not necessarily looking to sharp at the beginning for a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: young player, that matters to me.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I really like the way Thomas Nito called that game.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It seemed like they just used Job's stuff creatively, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: mixing in the slider and then change up in different counts,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: factoring in the curveball a little bit. Job kind of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: then the same thing as Scooball like he he hasn't
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: thrown all that well. I don't think we've seen him
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: close to his best. He has a two seven ERA.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: These are his first major league starts. Like there we
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: talk about can he win rookie of the year. To
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: get off to a start where you have, you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: kind of the counting numbers like this, and there is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: still a lot more to be untapped. I think that's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: really encouraging. The fastball is still a little bit of
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: a mystery. He has an eight percent with rate on
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: his forcing fastball. I think it's encouraging. He's learning to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: get by without it to pitch basically, to lean on
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: his other pitches and miss bats with his other pitches more.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: But I do think he's gonna have to figure out
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that fastball a little bit. There's something about it that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: just not deceptive, that's easy to pick up. I hope
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to eventually solve that mystery because I can't put it
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: into words yet, but something is going on there.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I thought he was being easily picked
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: up to praise it, not that greatly, but you know
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it like it felt like at
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the beginning that that the pitchers weren't worried about spin
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: rates and stuff because they could figure out, yeah, this
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: is gonna be outside pretty easy to figure that out.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But he he corrolled himself. And I'm glad you brought
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: up Thomas because I think he deserves a lot of
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: credit to there. I did want to give one shout
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: out real quick here Cody too uh to Casey Mize, who,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in addition to having a great game on Saturday, he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: also on one of those teams social media kind of content,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, things it's like, who's gonna who on the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: team would be a great manager? Everybody kind of said
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Jake Rodgers, which which makes sense. Jake Rodgers has the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: respect of everybody in that clubhouse for multiple reasons, not
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the least of which is the way he calls games.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm not even critsizing that. Casey Maes gets to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the little you know, social media mic and he's like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: me because I because you know, it's like I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I you know, I I think I think the game through.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but I think that I think the game
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: through and I look at everything and you know, blah
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And I was like, yo, what I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: respect that? Also, I believe you, because that's all that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we've said about Casey Mees the entire time he's been
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a pro, right, is that, like he's a like I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think one of the first things I ever said on
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: this podcast. Was he looked he feels like a deep thinker,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and you're like, yep, yes he is. He is a
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: deep thinker. Yep. So I respect Casey myes for being
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: like I would be the best manager. So there you go.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know a trait that I think is important to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: be a major league manager. You have to think you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: should be the one who should be the manager.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Kate Casey is pitching too well for us
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to worry about his next career stop. But hey, I
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: wouldn't rule it out.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't rule it out. And Shad, I'm sure
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Jake would be Every player would love to be managed
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: by Jake. I'm sure as well.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Jake would be a great catcher coach or bench coach,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: or he could have a role in case his staff.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. That's the that's the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: team right there. All right, let's do our fan dual
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Sports Network player spotlight, and I'm gonna spotlight Cody. Somebody
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: who had himself a week, had themself a week, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that is one Brennan Handifee, your boy, your boy, Brennan Handifee.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Because we talked earlier this week, Cody about him kind
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of just having to eat. Was that Wednesday's game and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: then getting and then getting sent down the Toledo and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: then before his passport Ink was was dried, got called
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: back up to Detroit and had to pitch on Friday
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and Saturday, So he had himself a week. So I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: want to give him the spotlight because that's a lot
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to go through. That's kind of the nature of the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: beasts in this game. And if you're a reliever and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it all comes down to numbers obviously, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: this week he got, let's see, almost almost three Enning's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: worth of work. He allowed the two runs against Milwaukee,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but he proved himself valuable in multiple ways. It was
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a hard conversation to send him down, I'm sure an
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: easy conversation to bring him back up. So I, like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Brendan Hanfey, we gotta give him a spotlight because he
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: had himself an emotion an emotional week, I would I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: would guess so Brandon Hannafee is our FANU Sports Network
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: player SPOTLIGHTE.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I suspected he did not know he was
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: getting sent down prior to his outing in Milwaukee. He
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: crossed about the thirty pitch mark and then the thirty
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: five pitch mark, and was still trying to get out
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of the inning and the reality set it. He said,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't thirty pitches in an outing. Maybe
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: thirty eight. No, I don't think so. Good news Toedo
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was playing in Indianapolis. He had got sent back to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Tuedo slash Detroit. He had not actually gone to Indianapolis yet,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: so he didn't have to make that drive back up.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Crazy to think he's already been optioned this year though
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he has an ERA in the ones, he has an
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: elite ground ball rate, he is limiting walks at a
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: really really good clip. These are things that check out
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: with his profile. He looks really good. He's been an
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: important part of a bullpen that again, I'm it's not
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I'm worried about it, but like, we got to keep
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: an eye on this thing. And I don't have time
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to slip this in. But the Tigers want these other
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: guys staying on six days rest. That's why cater Montero
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: is throwing before Jack Flaherty saj Hinchley. Is this just
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: limiting innings or is there more to it? Sounds like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that there's some data with their recovery for pitchers that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: they just think it's better when they're on five days
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: rest instead of the traditional four. So that's kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: why they are doing this right now. And in turn
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of taking a little bit of gamble with the pin
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't help obviously that you lose Brisky and Brevia to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: what hopefully our minor injuries. Back to put it in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a hand for you real quick. Have we talked about
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: his nickname before? Are you aware of this?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think I am.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: You're the nickname. His nickname is hands and Feet. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: guess because it sounds kind of like Hannah. I think
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: he's the worst nickname in the history of nicknames. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: task you with finding him any.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: One, all right, well, I will take on that challenge.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And you know how I'm gonna take on that challenge.
• 35:26
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  Speaker 1: And guess what the ain't mad at it all right,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a little fun holiday Sunday, little task to end our
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: podcast here, Cody, I have before me, finally the doctor
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: missus Tiger Territory top five tigers on her list. What
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: does that mean if you're new, It's just who she likes.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And I'll leave it at that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Important content right here. We have done this before.
• 36:20
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  Speaker 1: west who has done it as well. So I have
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the list now to people aren't familiar, just look at
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the forty man roster and write down who you like.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That's it. You know you watch the games that plays
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a part of it. Two, but write down who you
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: like honorable mentions. We'll do the honorable mentions Javier Bias,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Matt Vierling, and Carrie Carpenter. So those are your honorable mentions.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: This is a five person list in order descending Trek Schoolble.
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• 37:06
  Speaker 1: two Tyler Holten makes his first appearance on the list.
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  Speaker 1: Number three Andy Abonyez, number four Justin Henry molloy, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: number five the recently added to the injured list Bow Brisky.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So we Trek Schoolble, Tyler Holten, Andy Obonyez, Justin, Henry
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Malloy and Bo Brisky. So congratulations to each of you
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: for making the list of doctor Missus Tiger Territory.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to close it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, if anybody else wants to add
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