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Croatia Will Not Willingly Go To War, Even for NATO · UK Column Radio

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Hello and welcome to the UK column.
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Today I'm joined by Andrea Clarich.
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Andrea, many people in the UK won't know or have seen the your
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platform in Croatia. Just tell us a little bit about
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your background and how you got into alternative media.
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Hello, Mike and all best to your viewers.
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Well, I'm I have one platform exactly it's calling podcast.
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That means free podcast. We call this liberty here
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freedom or whatever, but it's in creation Slobodi podcast and I
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hosting guests from all around the world, mostly about global
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topics we're talking about. We can say global problems,
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especially what we are now facing all this global crisis.
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Everything started with the pandemic crisis, now continue
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with this war in Russia, Ukraine, a war after that
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continue with the continuously climate crisis.
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And then we now see expanding after Trump took over office in
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White House. Now it seems to that Europe has
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much more problems than we thought.
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And now we are covering this through my shows.
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People are coming mostly in from the United States, but we have
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lots of from Europe and also from Australia and even from
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Russia. I had a guest from Russia who
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was talking about Russia Ukrainian war.
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OK, but how did you, I mean, why did you decide that you needed
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to speak out in the first place? How did it all begin?
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Well, first, I am entrepreneur for 35 years and I was and I'm
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still entrepreneur in so different parts of activities.
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And I never thought just five years ago that I will ever be a
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journalist. My main occupation was economy
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and health, fitness. And I invested in this
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businesses for already 30 as I said 35 years.
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And presently I'm doing this with my daughter.
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We have family business and we are running to to fitness
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centers. And beside this also I'm doing
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some other activities in marketing.
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But when 2020 came in pandemic and when I recognize what was
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role of media I I said that I need to do something first.
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I was fighting for my freedom to have a a chance to work because
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we had the 2 lockdowns and my businesses almost went to
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bankruptcy after these lockdowns.
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I knew from the start that that doesn't have any sense or
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scientific support. But anyhow politician decide to
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do it after five years. We all know that was completely
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wrong decision. Even we have now admission from
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them. But it's too late.
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Lots of businesses went to bankruptcies.
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I succeed to survive but I fought, fought a hard even.
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I went to jail because I opened my business in in the middle of
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lockdown. After that, I became civil
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activists because this fight didn't stopped taking our
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freedom and taking our freedom rights for better good.
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We already see this patterns in all situations globally
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situation. That's why I recognize the same
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patterns. And I said, look, I need to do
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something. The most important thing is to
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give this right information to people.
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And then I decided to establish my podcast in 2023 and until now
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I succeed to make 130 different episodes on on Fortune people
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from Creation Television Z1, where I'm now, they recognize my
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job and they offer me even one very good term for for my show.
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And from April 2023, I am on this television also.
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And this television is spreaded all around the Croatia.
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And that was a big advantage and big chance for me to send this
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message all around the Croatia. We all aware that censorship was
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very strong and still is, maybe a little bit less, because after
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Zuckerberg admitted that he was censor everything, he stopped.
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Not all the way, but he mostly stopped on Facebook.
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But I was aware that this censorship is, we can say, the
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pandemic way of fighting against viruses.
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And I knew that this was a huge chance for me to spread the word
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without censorship because I made my own shows and I decide
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about my own guests and nobody's interrupting from the side of
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television. And I'm very thankful for that.
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That's very rare in Croatia also that we have a private
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independent television who are not involving in in a private
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produce producing of shows. That means they are respecting
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free speech. And well, in meantime it seems
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to that lots of pieces of grab attention about my show and
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about topics that the most important thing and start to
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recognise this. And now even I'm surprised that
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in the mainstream and even in the politician there is a topics
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that I didn't thought that will be interesting for them just
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maybe six months ago. For example, we have this new
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law, I think it's calling Chet control, where European
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Commission is presenting some law that they want to screen our
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messages before encrypting. And I knew this for for two
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years already, because this law is old from 2022, but nobody was
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discussing about and nobody saw this as a threat through free
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speech and privacy. But now even creation
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politicians, even not only politicians in opposition, even
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in the power, they recognize that maybe this can be threat to
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our privacy. And now they are publicly
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discussing about it. I think this is a huge progress.
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And I think this is a sign that lots of people in Croatia who
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was not aware of five years ago what is really happening and now
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starting to asking questions. And that is the possibility
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really to give them right answers.
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So that that's, this is a really interesting point.
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And this really was because we were talking on the phone a
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couple of days ago. And This is why I, I wanted to
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have this conversation with you because, uh, you know, we've
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known each other for a couple of years now, Uh, but over that
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period of time, a lot has changed and it's changing at an
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ever increasing rate. And so, you know, we were
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talking about the relative differences in the populations
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of the UK and, and Croatia and how much, first of all, how much
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awareness there is of of the major events in the world and
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what kind of response there is coming.
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So do you think that that the change or the willingness of
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people in Croatia to engage with these topics is because you've
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managed to get your channel on a mainstream or relatively
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mainstream platform? Well, I hope that that had some
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influence on that. But for sure much more people
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now discuss about this. As I said, even mainstream media
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now talking about, for example, this law, even now they are
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asking questions about central bank digital currency.
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You know that in Europe is coming central bank digital euro
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and in October will be 1 very important decision how to follow
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up in this. And I just saw in the mainstream
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2 two days ago, our governor of Croatian bank has to twice give
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interviews and respond on the questions.
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And according this question I see that people are afraid that
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this central bank digits currency is not something just
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so innocent. There is a chance that we can be
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controlled by the this blockchain technology and by
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this implementation. And also people are afraid that
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our cash will be abandoned and thus asking the questions.
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And I'm not sure if, for example, they give this to vote
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in our parliament and that will pass because people are aware
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this, this technology is capable to be programmable, it's capable
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to be controlled. It's take capable to, to
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implement this gear offense and programmable money, for example,
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according CO2 emission or carbon footprint.
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And even that Central Bank, European Central Bank and
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Croatian Centre are saying we will not do it, we will not
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control, we will not implement programmable, but people don't
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trust. We saw that lack of trust.
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According this, public health agencies and the public health
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emergency situation of international concerns are very
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low in Croatia and is getting lower and lower because still
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nobody was responsible for things what done what they done
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during a pandemic. And that's why now it's not easy
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to convene people that it's so innocent to implement it.
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Central bank digital currency at same time that will be a good
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chance to make better transactions because people's
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know technology, people knows that we don't getting nothing
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better, not nothing. What we don't already have,
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because we have digital money now all money what we are paying
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through our smartphones is digital money, but it's not
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centralized. We have banks and also we have
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now still courts and the only other way courts can decide that
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you can throw someone's money. But now if everybody knows that
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if central bank digital currency will be implemented, that even
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central bank can decide by himself to throw your money.
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And this is very big danger. People recognize this and asking
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questions. I hope this awareness will rise
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more in the future. And according my statistics on
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my profiles and on my show, I think I see that the number of
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people who are following my profiles and seeing my shows is
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rising rapidly in the last especially nine months, since
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there is not any more censorship on social media.
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My observation of, of the British population as in general
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is that, uh, whenever lockdown happened, uh, that was something
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which government did, which was directly in their faces.
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And therefore, uh, they couldn't ignore it.
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And that motivated a lot of people to get involved in
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pushing back against that policy.
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And since that, uh, event has more or less disappeared and
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other issues have taken over as being the issues of the day
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because people don't perceive this as being a direct,
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immediate threat to them. They have stepped back from,
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from resisting what's going on. So in Croatia, is that are you
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seeing the same type of thing or are people actually able to see
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that if that that a policy which is maybe not very mature yet is
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coming down the road and it's going to have a similar impact
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to to they felt in 2020 and 2021?
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I seeing according to comments on social media, especially, for
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example, when you see there is some article about future
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pandemic, some new disease and when you read these comments
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from 100 comments, all hundred of them saying that it's a lie,
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nobody is believing, that means it's not any more innocent
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statistics. It's 100 of 100.
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And we can see now the trust in vaccines in Croatia dropping
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down even for this pediatric vaccines, all trust in public
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health authorities dropping down.
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That's for me it's confirmation that people knows what was
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doing, what was happening during pandemic, even that still this
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mainstream media and official politics still repeating the
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same mantra from 2020 to 21 and doesn't want to admit that they
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were wrong. But you know, I think the impact
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of alternative media like mine and yours are rising now special
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in Croatia and the more and more people believe in alternative
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media than in mainstream that that happened in United States.
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We all knows that just this year they are admitted that influence
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of of alternative media in United States is, is higher than
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legacy media. And I think it's happening same
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thing in Europe and in Croatia, not that fast as United States,
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but I recognize pattern that whatever happened in the United
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States two years later come in the Europe in this time.
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I think it will come faster because we see already now that
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Europe is giving up of some their politics because of
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pressure from side of United States.
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Maybe 1, the best example it's this policy according a green
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transition where lots of people now asking questions.
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It was the IT was the right choice because we know that
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United States is leaving parish Paris agreement and if we want
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to stay competitive for the future, we need think about our
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policies. That's just one example and I
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hope these things will happen in all other things.
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Still, I am a little bit afraid because from side of Brussels
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coming lots of attempts on our freedom of speech and this new
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European Media Freedom Act. It's not media, it's not Freedom
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Act, it's a way how politics can influence on the most important
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information. And this board, what they are
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supposed to have, it's a political board because it's a
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build of people who are politically elected in each
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country. And that means and also it's
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supervised by the European Commission.
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And if you need to make report to European Commission and
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receive money from them for your work, then you're not
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independent. And that was happening with this
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European Media Freedom Act. Attention was to protect
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journalism, but construction and infrastructure looks like a
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control grid. Same thing I see with the
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central bank digital currency, you know, they are telling us
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that is for our better use of money, technical activities and
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also inclusion for people who doesn't have account.
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But infrastructure says that is a possible to control grid and
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people recognize it. People saw this in a pandemic
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and I hope that very soon I see some also waves coming from
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United States that we will discuss discuss openly about big
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mistakes from pandemic. I'm here talking about just the
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last President Trump message from Truth Media where he first
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time in his mandate asking question is war speed was really
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so successful as I thought. And that's for me, it's
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preparation that very soon from the United States will come some
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kind of new revealing what was really happening during
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pandemic. What's the average Croatian
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person's attitude to the European Union and particularly,
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I suppose, what is people's attitude towards the war policy?
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I think the majority majority of Croatians doesn't want to go to
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war. We are here specific because we
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were in war just 35 years. I also, I'm a war veteran, I
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have experience in war and lots of people in Croatia had some
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memories from that period. And I think it will be almost
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impossible to take people from Croatia to any kind of for even
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for NATO. At the same time, our president
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who is important in that case, because a Prime Minister has the
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biggest power, political power in Croatia, but president is the
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one that have a power on veto for this kind of activities.
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That means for sending our troops anywhere.
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And his the the saying already for year that no Croatian
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soldier will be anywhere out in this mission of supporting
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Ukraine. Croatia officially supports
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Ukraine with the military, with the military equipment and
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money, but not with the soldiers.
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And according my well feeling and also reading atmosphere
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here, I believe that it's not be in easy to bring Croatians in
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war. Beside that, we accepted that we
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will increase money for, for rearming from 2% what we have
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now of GDP to five in the next 10 years.
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But they didn't discuss this in parliament seriously.
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And this is something what we accepted according this
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agreement from 25th, I think of June this year, where they
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agreed to increase money for rearming Europe, exactly Croatia
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in this case. But things in meantime can
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change because I see that economic crisis, what is now, we
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see it's coming from France, from Germany, will come in
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Croatia very soon. And I know that when people
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start to feeling in their pockets.
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Lack of money and then they will start to asking questions.
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For now we are still living from this new next generation EU fund
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that was a big fund what was created in 2020 for a reop, for
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recovering from pandemic. Let's I think €750 billion and
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we are still receiving this money this and next year.
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But after that they will be only repaying back loans and not
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receiving any new loans. And then our our budget will
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feel this very strong. For sure, people will recognize
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that there is not any more this free money, what for with what
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we were receiving for last few years.
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But sticking with the the war issue for a second, it's a
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general feeling among people in Croatia that they support the
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war. Or is this war policy, the
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support for Ukraine, happening in spite of people's feeling and
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and what are people's feelings towards Russia in fact?
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Well, we can see this same thing like in pandemic, we we see this
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one story was coming from mainstream media and mainstream
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media is saying the same, same narrative.
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Russia is aggression, they attack Ukraine without any
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provocation and Ukraine need our support and it has to be a fair
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peace. Russia has to move from Ukraine.
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This is the same story, but people personally and also
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around are aware it's not really that way.
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And that is just official narrative from Brussels when if
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somebody asked them to go in a war for anybody.
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I believe that more than 50% people in Croatia were not
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accepted and they are don't think that's the only reason for
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this war is because Russia went to Ukraine in on February 2022.
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Lots of people knows that this war started already in 2014,
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even before that was a coup in 2014 in Ukraine.
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Lots of people know huge influence from side of United
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States in Ukraine. And everybody knows that there
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was also some not really where we can say legal things
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happening in in Ukraine, because we know and everybody here in
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the bus, this corruption, what is presented around, we support
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it as official politics in Croatia, but ordinary people
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recognizes that this is not completely truth.
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I, I'm sure that nobody as a regular people in Croatia has
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anything against Russians or Ukrainians.
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I don't talking about official policy, I don't talking about
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Putin or Zelensky. I'm talking about people.
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Because we have lots of connections there, not only for
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trading, also families. And we know what was happening
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and people are not ready to fight against any nation in
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Europe and in the world. And for that I'm sure that means
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if anybody tries to press them, push them in the war, they will
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fight back. But I think very soon we will
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have a chance to see am I right or wrong?
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You know, something else is going on in the UK in
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particular, but actually in other parts of Europe as well,
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is that the issue of regular migration and migration in
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general is becoming a big issue. And it's clear that in Britain
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at least, there are elements that are taking advantage of
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people's concerns with respect to rising populations and, and
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the lack of infrastructure investment to support those
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rising populations and the pressure that that's putting on
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on the society. So, so, but there's no question
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that that that those concerns are being stoked up and are
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being people's worries are being driven by certain elements.
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Are you saying anything like that in Croatia?
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Yes, for sure this month will be first protest against
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immigrations, Not immigrations like people who are coming in
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Croatia. No, for people who are working
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in Croatia, because it seems to that all the bad paid jobs
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stayed in Croatia because people from India, Pakistan or Nepal
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are ready to take over these jobs.
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You know creations if they want to higher paid jobs, they are
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living in Europe and now we have possibility we can find job
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everywhere in the Europe and it's very easy, especially for
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people with a higher education to find job in Europe and they
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will not stay in Croatia and to have low income jobs.
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That's why we have lots of people from Nepal, from India,
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Pakistan who are ready to take over these low pay jobs.
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Now we are aware that was not good policy not because of these
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people because it's a stupid policy because if you are have
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economic policy when you are ready to increase number of
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people who are have low income then you are you making your
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country poor. We need more people with the
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high income not with the low income we are ready to accept
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here for sure. My personal opinion, whoever
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come with the capital here or with the high education, with
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the special skills from Nepal or India here, he is a very welcome
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because he will bring something here.
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He will add to our value in economy something, for example,
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new knowledge, new skills, even money.
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But when they come in here, because they're poor and they
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are still still became came will be poor in Croatia.
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That means we will be centre for low income job, low income
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jumps. This is for sure not clever
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policies. That's why we still don't have
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in lots of this, this immigrants still there.
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There is a limitation. But first time, as I said this
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month, it's organizing protest against immigration because that
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was stupid decisions for us think.
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And second thing, we are now see what is happening in the United
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Kingdom, in France, in Germany, in Sweden, in Netherland.
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We recognize this pattern and say we don't want this to happen
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here. And that's why now people are
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starting to wake up and asking questions.
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We here in Croatia have a big problem with our birth rate
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because it's declining already for years, especially after
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pandemic, after they roll out first vaccines, suddenly one,
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nine months later we we recognize huge decrease in birth
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rate and still it's happening. And this is a big problem.
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Even politicians recognize it and now investing more money in
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this policy, but we are not ready to be replaced with the
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people from that. We don't have any add value.
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We are very similar to Europeans.
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We have a similar history, similar culture and even similar
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religion. And it's not not so very hard
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for us to adopt in Germany, in the United Kingdom, in France.
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But we see here that the people from Nepal or India doesn't
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adopt here they are. They are living together in this
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gate ghettos, they are making friends between each other, not
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with Croatians. And they are not ready to learn
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our language. Still, it's not easy to learn
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our language, you know, it's like language and they are
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completely different roots of these languages.
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But anyhow, we are ready. As you see, I'm speaking
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English. I can adopt in the United
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Kingdom immediately, but they're coming here and don't speak
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Croatian language. And if they don't, that means we
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need to talk to them in in English.
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And it's problem. Why?
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Because Croatia is all the few 100 years.
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We are very old natives here already from the some somebody
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says even 1st and 2nd century, somebody says 7th century,
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doesn't matter who is right, but it's a long time and we kept our
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language, we kept our culture, we kept our religion and we we
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still want to kept it because especially we were fighting for
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this during war for independency in 91 and we are not ready to
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give up on this. You're talking about low birth
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rates and of course that's to a large degree the justification
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for the migration policy that's into the United Kingdom as well.
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What, what do you think is the root cause of that in Croatia?
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Well, well I can only say my opinion but I think for sure
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there is some studies who can show this.
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My opinion is that I think cost of living and way of living has
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changed and now if you want to really you know to have few kids
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2-3 we need to need to have more than two kids.
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You need to earn a lot of money to go them through education,
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through health system and to finally bring them for ready for
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a future. Still we are not economically
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developed enough and lots of people have still low income.
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We are below the average on Europe and in this circumstance
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it's not easy now to have children.
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One example we can see now that price of square meters of
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apartment is huge. Can you imagine when when you
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can find here between 5:00 and €7000 per square meters in
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Croatia? That's huge, especially when we
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know we have a declining in birth rate and we continuously
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investing in a new apartments. That means this is not realistic
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price, but young families cannot afford it and for sure this is
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the one of the most important reason why they can't have more
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than one or two children. Things can can change, it can
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change fast, but I think policies still didn't take it in
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seriously enough. Maybe it's already too late,
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because if I'm right, in some Europe countries birth rate is
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so low that even is in it's not possible to recover in the
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future. And if this is reality, that
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means Europeans, what we had before, will vanish to maybe
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next 20 to 30 years. Yeah.
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I mean, I think, I think this is a really major problem.
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European countries, France, Germany, UK, with such low birth
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rates, ageing populations, economies that have been
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engineered to reduce the, the, the possibility of people having
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children, as you say, being able to afford children.
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And the price of housing is an absolutely key part of this.
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Also the, the need because of the price of housing in the UK
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at least. And it used to be, you know, 40
32:23
years ago with that somebody could afford to buy a house on
32:27
one person's salary. And now two people's salaries
32:29
are required just to get the mortgage to pay for the house.
32:31
And even then it's really difficult for them.
32:34
And so with two people at work, they then have to pay for
32:37
childcare, which is extremely expensive.
32:39
So this this it seems to me that this is an economic situation
32:43
that is unrecoverable, as you say, without some significant
32:48
structural changes. And it's not something that
32:52
people can do themselves easily. It's something that needs policy
32:56
changes at government level. And, and so how do you think
33:01
people, because do you think that the people coming out
33:04
protesting against migration is going to solve anything?
33:08
It's not going to cause the economic policy to be changed
33:11
necessarily and therefore it's not going to it's it's not going
33:14
to remove the need to have young blood coming into the country
33:18
somehow. I think that low birth rate is
33:22
the biggest problem in Europe and in Croatia, but politicians
33:25
are not aware of it. They're now talking about some
33:28
war. They think they're not aware of
33:29
it. Not enough because I see what
33:33
are the decisions, you know, you can see policies are according
33:37
to the amount of money that you invest in something and they're
33:41
not investing enough in rising birth rate.
33:45
They just invest more than before, but not enough.
33:48
Things has not changed and I don't think it will change.
33:54
I think this will this will continue and solution will come
34:00
for sure. Not in a good way.
34:03
I think it'll come from United Kingdom or from Germany on from
34:08
France. Because you are really have a
34:11
huge problem with this and you need to find solution
34:14
immediately. And whatever solution you find,
34:17
for sure it will be discussed in Croatia also.
34:21
And when you need to know that Croatia is is a border of
34:27
Europe, that means the first coming in Europe is through
34:32
Croatia from the east and lots of people had hotspot in
34:38
Croatia. That means in case that
34:40
something changed, people will come in Croatia and we need to
34:43
take care of them. That's also huge advantage for
34:47
Croatia because we are, as you know, we are keeping borders of
34:52
European Union. But I think, as I said, that
34:58
this solution will come from side of these countries.
35:01
What are now are aware that this is the biggest problem and
35:06
Croatian will follow. You know, I'm a huge criticism,
35:10
criticism of Croatian government and one of the biggest critics
35:15
is that just they're just following Brussels decisions.
35:20
They don't taking any decision of their own.
35:23
They don't they give up or our solvency completely officially
35:28
we give up of our borders, what is good, that means borders to
35:32
European Union. We give up of our monetary
35:35
system that is very bad and also we give up of our old policies
35:40
because we are listening Brussels and we are not asking
35:43
questions. Our Prime Minister is a soldier
35:46
of European Commission and all of us knows that European
35:52
Commission is looking to increase their power
35:56
federalization and they are not elected from nobody and that
36:01
means unelected bureaucrats want to take over power.
36:05
People recognize this, but it seems that our Prime Minister
36:09
doesn't care because maybe he thinks that he will be one of
36:12
the of the people of this bureaucrats who will have this
36:15
power. That's why I don't think that
36:18
creation we have any independent policies about this.
36:22
They will listen whatever happened in Brussels.
36:25
For those that don't know, Andrea, just tell me the tell us
36:30
all the the countries that border Croatia and and give us a
36:33
little bit of insight into the relationship, the relations that
36:36
that exist between Croatia and those countries.
36:40
You mean borders on east? Yes.
36:43
Well, well, for people who doesn't know, Croatia was a
36:47
member of one bigger country until 1990.
36:50
That was Yugoslavia and we were one of the six different
36:55
republics. That was 6 republics and two
36:58
different small parts counties. And unfortunately during the war
37:05
we didn't split with peace. We split in the war.
37:09
And now from this country, Slovenia and Croatia are now
37:14
members of European Union and all other countries on our
37:17
neighbor like Bosnia, Herzegovina, Serbia and
37:22
Macedonia. No, with Macedonia, Montenegro
37:26
are not members of European Union.
37:28
They are pledging to become but still not.
37:32
And that's why Croatia is 1 long border of European Union,
37:40
exactly of Schengen. And people from neighbor
37:44
countries like Bosnia Herzegovina and Serbia are
37:49
speaking the same language. And that means we understood, we
37:53
understand each other and we lived in the same country for 45
37:56
years. We have lots of relatives.
37:58
I personally coming from Boston, Herzegovina, my family was born
38:02
there. And that means it's not it's not
38:06
that we can say harder to keep this border because we are well
38:12
known each other. But when we are talking about
38:15
this International Crisis like immigration, for sure people in
38:19
Serbia and Bosnia will go put leave through their countries
38:24
immigrations to come to Croatia and they will not stop them.
38:28
That's why we need to keep our border very safe and keep it
38:32
everything very legal. We we don't need to accept
38:37
anybody who is unlegally in our country.
38:41
As you say, 1990, there was conflict.
38:44
What is what are relations like now between Croatia and Bosnia
38:48
and Croatia and Serbia, for example?
38:50
Unfortunately not good. Why Unfortunately, you know,
38:55
during, during this war, what happened, there was a big
38:59
tension between nations. There is a different nation,
39:02
Croatia, Serbians and now they're calling you Bosnians
39:06
exactly Bosniaks, but they're mostly in part of Bosnia
39:10
Herzegovina. And now they are nation before
39:13
we call them only according these religion Muslims.
39:16
And there was a huge attention and unfortunately lots of
39:20
killing and we are still remember this killing and
39:24
people. For example, President of Serbia
39:27
Alexander Wochich was deeply involved during the war and he
39:31
was one of politicians who was coming Croatia and who left a
39:35
very unpleasant speeches there and talking about, you know,
39:40
tension between nations. And now he's in charge in in
39:45
Serbia. And still whenever he needs
39:47
something to gather their people, he he said that danger
39:53
is coming from Croatia. No danger is coming for Serbia
39:56
from Croatia. They're using this danger,
39:59
so-called danger, their politic policy tool for union uniting
40:08
their waters. Same thing is in Bosnia.
40:12
Because unfortunately in Bosnia Herzegovina after Dayton
40:16
agreement, we didn't settle these things.
40:19
It was idea to have one country. That will have a same
40:27
constitution, same parliament, but unfortunately after already
40:32
25 years, not 30 years, sorry, 30.
40:35
It was in 1995 that didn't happened especially for Kratz,
40:40
because Kratz doesn't have a really right like other nations
40:44
in Bosnia Herzegovina. And now in this present
40:47
situation we have also big crisis with Serbian part of
40:50
Bosnia Herzegovina, because president there part is now
40:56
charged from side of court and he's not allowed anymore to run
41:01
in politics and there's a huge attention there and who knows
41:06
what will happen from this. That means because of this
41:09
instabilities we can see now in Serbia what is happening.
41:13
Protest for already one year, for one year they're protesting
41:17
there against the government and now they are looking for new
41:20
elections. And that's a huge political
41:25
instability in Bosnia, Herzegovina and Serbia.
41:28
And that's why we are not really build this relationship on the
41:33
way that we should for for future.
41:36
Because if Bosnia and Serbia come in European Union in the
41:41
future, for sure we need to have good relationships like we have
41:45
with Slovenia or or Austria, Germany, Hungary or members of
41:50
the European Union. These things will be very
41:53
unstable in next period. I hope that creation government
41:58
will be clever in this, because we need to be in good relations
42:02
with neighbors. What is the most important for
42:04
every person is to have good relations with their neighbors.
42:08
Because if you need any help, you first come to neighbors.
42:11
If you have any danger, first one who can protect you is your
42:15
neighbor. That's why we need to build good
42:17
relations with our neighbors. But according present policies,
42:22
we're still we are still didn't succeed.
42:25
You think that that whenever the war ended that certain things
42:30
were left unresolved with a view to creating tensions again in
42:33
the future. Well, there is a still
42:36
unresolved things between our countries.
42:39
Unfortunately, there is a still missing people.
42:42
More than 1700 is missing dead people and we still didn't get
42:48
completely support from side of Serbia, who is who is
42:53
responsible for this conflict in Croatia.
42:57
And also we didn't receive because there is a old part of
43:02
political parties who are looking for composition from
43:06
Serbia. And as a member of European
43:08
Union, we will look for composition from side of Serbia,
43:11
because we cannot forget that official policy of Slobodan
43:15
Milosevic, who was finally in, in The Hague and almost he was
43:20
not convicted, but he because he died.
43:22
But for sure this, his policy was responsible for this
43:27
conflict. First in Croatia, then is both
43:29
the Herzegovina, because his policy was that whole Serbs live
43:33
in the same countries and it was not possible because Croatia was
43:38
11% of population was served. And because of these policies,
43:45
major conflict came and we fought and we still have
43:49
unsettled things from this, from this war.
43:55
People or ordinary people regularly travel to Serbia,
44:00
Serbia's travel to Croatia, they don't have any problems.
44:04
We can see foreign plates in from Serbia in every every city
44:11
in Croatia and nobody really have any negative attention
44:15
about them. Lots of young people from
44:19
Croatia going in Belgrade to celebrate.
44:22
We know that people are in good relationship, but politics
44:26
official, as I said, is not. An few of these reasons I said
44:31
here. There is the potential that this
44:33
could escalate again at some point in the future or is is
44:37
that is that just not going to happen?
44:39
There, there is a potential for price for sure there and it's
44:44
continuously present. I'm not sure if it's really
44:49
threat or if somebody has an interest to keep this tension
44:53
there and to light the fire when they will need it.
44:59
Even some comments here and people who are analyzing the
45:02
things that there is a huge influence of side of a global
45:07
interest in Boston, Herzegovina and if we'll be interest to
45:11
maybe make some conflict there. For sure they will do their
45:15
best. We see some signs of it here.
45:19
I cannot confirm it, it's coming from there, but it looks like,
45:22
and I hope that people will be more clever than they were
45:27
before and they will not accept any kind of conflict.
45:30
We don't need any conflict we don't want and we can live
45:36
together with these people for prosperity in abundance.
45:41
But we know also we are aware that politicians usually have
45:48
different plans. Still, unfortunately, I can
45:51
confirm there is a potential for conflicts in Balkans.
45:55
Right there. So just just to finish, I mean,
45:57
the, the reason I asked that question was because, you know,
46:00
at the beginning of this conversation, you were saying
46:04
how, how much people had learned as a result of the pandemic and,
46:10
and so on. And how, how aware people are
46:12
of, of as they more tongues that politicians speak through and
46:17
the mainstream press and so on. I'm just wondering whether that
46:20
goes right across all policy areas or whether there may be
46:24
one or two areas where where people are still a little bit
46:27
blind to it. Yes, for sure.
46:30
Still, people are unfortunately blind on these conflicts between
46:33
nations because two there are two emotionally involved.
46:39
They are don't thinking usual always rationally.
46:43
And that's why it's easy to make conflict because still there is
46:46
a huge emotional involvement in this topic that means between
46:52
nations. But concerning the global
46:56
crisis, concerning the global policies were coming in Croatia,
47:00
I'm here optimistic because recognizing this kind of new
47:04
policies are are huge now much more than was five years ago.
47:11
I can compare it for sure. I can, I can even make some
47:15
smaller investigation because I'm, I'm connected with lots of
47:19
people. And when I start to hearing from
47:22
them who were skeptic before, who thought that I was just
47:27
conspiracy theorist. Now they are recognized that
47:30
there is a lack of conspiracies because all of them are now
47:35
fulfilled. And now they're coming to me and
47:38
say you were right. And I hope that means that they
47:41
will pay more attention on things that are saying my guest
47:47
in the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I, I think you've
47:49
hit the nail on the head there. But it's, it's, it's whenever
47:52
the topic is something which people are particularly
47:56
emotionally attached to in some way in the UK, it is without
47:59
question immigration. In Croatia, by the sound of
48:02
things, it's, it's still some of the, the situation that that is
48:09
not been resolved since the, the conflict in the 90s.
48:12
So, so it's the emotional aspect of this that people need to
48:17
somehow separate themselves from and and be a bit more objective
48:20
about what they're witnessing. That's right.
48:22
Think rationally. Analyse.
48:25
Be critics about everything. Don't believe in mainstream
48:30
media? Check out whatever they say.
48:33
Don't trust the government. Government is not working for
48:36
you, they're working for some other interests.
48:39
And when you do this, all this homework, finally you recognise
48:45
what is the truth. OK, look, let's let's leave it
48:48
there for today. Andrea, thank you very much for
48:50
joining me. It's been a really interesting
48:53
conversation. Hopefully we'll do this again
48:55
soon. Just once again, just tell
48:57
everybody they can see your work.
49:00
Well, you can find me on my of course Facebook profile under my
49:04
name Andrea Klarich. And also you can find a website
49:09
that means Slobodny podcaster. Well, I, I'm not sure that I can
49:14
spell it right, but if, if possible, just put it below this
49:18
line. Slobod the slobodeposcope dot HR
49:23
that's on the creation part. But if you look on me for me in
49:27
Facebook under my name and there's my picture with my kids,
49:32
then you can find all connections and follow me.
49:36
And of course, also there will be connection to this television
49:40
where I have each Sunday on 2:00 PM Central European time on my
49:46
show. Fantastic.
49:47
Well, we will put those links in the in the show notes under this
49:51
video. So, Andrea, thank you very much
49:53
for joining me and hopefully we can do this again soon.
49:56
Thank you Mike for inviting me and it's a pleasure.
49:58
All the best to your viewers.