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  Some people say this is a fairly progressive movie for its time.
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  Parts, I say sure. It I, I don't know, I don't
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  know. There's like there's.
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  There are parts. Of this, well, this is a horror
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  franchise. Like yes, you don't usually look
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  to them as a beacon of moral guidance.
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  Like that's common, the whole thing about them.
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  I'll just input that it shouldn't, it shouldn't strike
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  us as something progressive when it's being human about other
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  people. And like, sure, 2004, nobody was
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  speaking the way we do now, but I think treating people nicely,
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  even in a horror movie, is probably just consistent
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  throughout time, 'cause you don't have to be a bigot.
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  Yeah. And that, that there's that.
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  That's where we are. Yeah, I so I guess I'll say in
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  that regard, the movie has its merits.
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  One out. Of 20 yeah, yeah.
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  It's just when I think about the big reveal where I'm just like,
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  I don't know, I don't know, like I'm so conflicted about it
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  because on the one hand, they gave it a shot and they were,
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  they weren't mean, like, but on the other hand, like, I don't
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  know, it's it's also weird. But then on my third radioactive
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  hand, I also like the concept of having, you know, two children
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  like they're, it's, it's just got there.
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  There's a lot of stuff. There's a lot to.
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  Unpack. We'll get to that part of the
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  plot because I'm still a little confused that only seen one kid
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  at the end and or I guess there are two kids, but I don't, I
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  don't really officially know if both of them are Glenn and
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  Glenda. Yeah.
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  We didn't get to hear Glenda's voice.
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  You only really see. Boyd's voice.
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  The sparkle in Tiffany's eyes is the only one that does like, oh,
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  oh, OK, so she made it. I mean spoilers, but yeah, I say
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  we get to that part because I don't really know.
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  I assume the rest of the franchise will say, Oh yeah,
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  that definitely. They they made their plot and
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  they stuck to it and they made it through surprise.
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  Chucky never died. Hello and welcome to Potato Chip
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  Pictures, the movie franchise review Podcast.
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  My name is B Sammy Davis. Hello, I'm Justin.
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  And today we are looking at 2004 seed of Chucky.
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  Justin, please take us away. Our director of this, which one
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  went to the 5th installment of Chucky, is none other than the
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  forever screenwriter of all of them except the reboot 2019 Don
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  Mancini. But this is the first one that
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  he directed. All the other ones have been
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  others producers kind of stay the same, David Kirchner, but
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  Cory Synega, I don't know if that name is pronounce that any
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  other portion of the previous part of the franchise.
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  OK, I was starting to mix up numbers.
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  The official budget is $12 million and they got double that
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  24.8 back. I don't think that's too bad.
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  I have seen the budget listed as high as 29 million and if that
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  were the case then they lost money.
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  OK. So I don't know.
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  I'm, I wasn't there, I don't know who gets to report the
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  returns, but there are conflicting stories that I heard
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  tonight about Universal passing on Seed of Chucky.
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  Universal had done, I want to say Child's Play 3 and Bride of
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  Chucky and maybe Child's Play 2 because they they had issues
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  with their original publisher where they they didn't want to
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  actually carry horror movies anymore.
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  So they had to shop it around. And I think Universal picked it
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  up and there are two conflicting stories and one of them sounds
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  more realistic than the other. So the first story says that
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  Universal passed on it because of the low box office returns
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  from Bride of Chucky, which, I will remind you, doubled its
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  budget. Yeah.
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  Then the other story that I have heard was that all the way back
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  in 1998 when Bride of Chucky came out, Don Mancini submitted
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  a script to Universal to get started on the sequel and
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  Universal rejected it for being too gay.
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  And so then he went and found someone else who made it happen.
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  But that's also the explanation for the six year time gap, I
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  suppose. But the point is we get
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  conflicting stories about what happened with Universal
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  Pictures, and I do find that fascinating.
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  I I really do find development drama a little bit interesting
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  because it's like, what kind of movie would we have had if
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  Universal was like, you know what, we're going to do it
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  again. And 25,000,000, get this out by
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  the year 2000. Yeah.
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  You know. That's a plenty to say about
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  that sort of timing. It changes maybe not necessarily
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  the script, but also maybe the script if you hit bad timing
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  with like COVID, I'm sure that would change how like this shot
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  and whatnot or just not even made.
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  Exactly. I mean, famously, I think it was
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  Falcon in The Winter Soldier, the Disney Plus series when it
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  was originally made, it was going to be about a pandemic.
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  Well, then a pandemic happened and so they rushed to change a
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  lot of things. And it does reflect on kind of a
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  weaker overall story. But even then you still get
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  hints like there's this old lady that dies.
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  And apparently that was supposed to happen much later in the in
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  the show because she had contracted this virus and.
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  Oh, sure. Yeah.
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  So that things change based on how developed is going.
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  And with this movie having six years apart, I imagine even
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  whatever the original script was that Universal rejected had to
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  go through changes, right? Like you can't be making it that
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  long without being like, you know what, let's change that.
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  That doesn't work. Yeah, I'd agree.
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  All of them. I mean, there's seven between
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  3:00 and Bride, but on the rest of them are pretty fast.
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  So I do wonder about 2004 because I think Hot Topic was a
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  store by then. And in this one Chucky is very
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  aware of his fame. So if even not getting great box
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  office returns, the characters got merchandise.
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  And I feel like he's right that I knew who Chucky was without
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  ever seeing the movies. And I think Scarface Chucky is
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  far more recognizable than any other version of Chucky original
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  or reboot. I still think of Scarface like
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  that's the big Chucky. Not his lovingly termed
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  nicknamed child shitface. I was like, what a choice like
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  the first 30 of minutes of this is.
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  So what do you call it? Comedic, bizarre.
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  Bizarre. I was sad that they had to start
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  sticking to a plot because it's like this is all pretty random,
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  but it all works pretty well. Like like the beginning of
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  Austin Powers 3 was it where it's the the bizarro Austin
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  Powers movie with all the cameos or is that different?
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  That's what it felt like the 30 minutes of man.
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  Now Chucky is this is a movie set.
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  It actually isn't like an alternate universe.
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  This is actually, what's her name, Jennifer Tilly.
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  Not Tiffany. It's played by Jennifer Tilly.
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  I was a little confused all right there, but it felt
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  bizarre. I think I saw that message in
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  the group chat and I wanted to respond, but I was just like,
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  yes, I remember that feeling, that feeling of confusion when
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  it's like, wait a minute, she wasn't, she's not alive anymore.
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  Dead. Yeah, and the dolls are dead.
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  It did not make make any sense, but I do think it it weaves in
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  the idea that, you know, Chucky, if he can be summoned back like
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  an elder God, he's going to show up.
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  And like, currently, it's always been to a doll that is him.
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  But, you know, maybe it'll be something different down the
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  road. Yeah, why not?
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  Why not? But it is hilarious that our
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  resurrection this time are into animatronics like they're they
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  are completely unrelated to any version of the doll that has
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  ever been crafted. Now it's just a spell.
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  That's all we need. Well, so I mean, first 30
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  minutes, that's my review. Fun.
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  Ridiculous. Bizarre.
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  I loved Glenn's nightmare. I think that's at the very
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  beginning, but I could be wrong. Maybe it's a little bit later.
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  I yeah, I'm having trouble remembering everything that
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  happened in order because everything's happening.
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  Because Glenn is actually that baby from the graveyard.
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  Yeah. I guess has some sort of trauma
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  memories passed on from Tiffany the doll and so he's remembering
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  the murders. That or no, it's a random
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  British family, right? Yeah, he's just, he murders.
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  Imagining murder. And then he wets himself.
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  So bizarre and. It's so weird.
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  I was I was content to be along for the ride because they are
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  are OB mostly priming the universe instead of the plot.
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  Like, yeah, she's a actress and she's trying to get a new role.
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  And like, we don't really care about the new role.
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  This is Chucky's going to reappear again and try to
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  commandeer some bodies until he's like, I don't want to do
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  this plot again. Like that's where the like the
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  middle section maybe I didn't quite enjoy as much because it
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  is like, oh, we got to deal with the plot and the crux of Chucky,
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  but then he rejects it and. I think the middle is where this
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  movie shines. A little slapstick I like The
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  murders have always been a little bit like the the RV, like
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  one guy getting smashed by a semi trailer.
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  But this one's a little more. But you go in.
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  Well, I was just going to say for for me, the weakest parts of
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  the movie are probably the beginning and the end, but there
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  are still likable parts in them. Like, I think fondly about most
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  of the beginning, most of meeting Glenn, most of
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  everything about Glenn's escape and travel overseas, back to the
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  US, all the way to Hollywood without anyone ever discovering
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  him. But he doesn't.
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  Like, he doesn't have to worry about it because, as we're soon
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  going to learn, he doesn't have any bits.
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  Like for some reason this live birth doll is the most doll of
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  all three of them. Yeah, that was an odd moment.
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  Like OK, I guess this is it. Telegraphs, I guess to the the
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  rest of the movie or or I guess it's foreshadowing, not
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  telegraphing. But at the same time I was just
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  kind of like, how does he pee? Like where does it come from?
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  I guess yeah, that's a that's a question.
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  Oh, see, and that sure, if we pick at those sort of things,
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  the ending won't make sense. Like how do 2 pieces of Glenn
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  slash Glenda turn into two kids? Yeah, I guess there's two
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  there's personalities. I don't know there's So I think
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  I like the kind of wildly coyote type escape and travel.
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  He ships himself in a box. We only really need to spend 10
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  seconds on it. I'm did he he didn't kill his
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  first dude because he's totally on the I don't want to be a
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  killer. This is a terrifying dream.
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  Yeah, but he gets away from. Him, he is a good scary looking
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  person. He's he just wants to do good.
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  That's all he wants to do. He's got the zombie complexion
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  of Ziggy Stardust, but. And the sharp teeth.
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  Yeah, he's he's a terrifying little doll.
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  Yeah, I think he's creepier than the other two.
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  I think it's funny, I couldn't initially watch the first little
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  bits with with the volume up. It was low.
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  So I was catching the wording. And then he's asking his parents
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  once he's found them in bed being like, why do we kill?
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  And I was like, hold on a second, This is what Pippin?
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  Or are you one of the one of the hobbits is asking why are we
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  killing people? And it's it's like, Oh well,
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  like they picked the right voice actor to get that across.
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  I couldn't. The version I was watching
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  didn't really help with voice acting for when Glenn slash
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  Glenda is like. I felt like it wasn't Billy Boyd
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  anymore but I don't really know if it changed or if he just did
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  more voice acting I think. It is the whole time.
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  I don't think, I don't think anybody else takes over his
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  voice. But see, you bring up where the
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  movie starts to turn great for me.
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  And that is when they decide that they are addicted to murder
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  and they must face their addictions head on.
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  And I loved it. Oh my gosh, all the way until
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  close to the end of the movie, I was having a great time,
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  especially with murder as an addiction.
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  That was so great. It explains why they do what
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  they do because sometimes it is like, why are you killing this
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  random person? Like, oh, so they don't know
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  about me being a doll? Like, nobody's going to believe
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  him. So yeah, I don't have to kill
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  him. You're leaving evidence that you
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  can kill. If the only thing that was there
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  was a doll, like maybe the doll did it, but no one's ever going
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  to believe that a doll did it. So the dolls can kill with with
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  abandoned. They can just do whatever they
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  want. I love as well the side plot of
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  Jennifer Tilly trying to get a part in Redman's movie about the
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  Virgin Mary. Yeah.
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  I mean, that was that was one of those side plots that feels like
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  a a silly joke and it's necessary so that there's
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  something else going on and delivers a couple of bodies for
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  them to turn into. So why not make it ridiculous?
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  Like, I don't know anything about Redman's directing
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  credentials. Yeah.
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  I maybe I have watched some Redman movies.
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  I know I've seen at least one movie that he was an actor in,
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  but I can't remember what it was called.
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  It was some Stoner comedy. And I can't, I just can't
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  remember what it what it was, but I, I just, I was like, wow,
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  he's, he's in this movie a lot until suddenly he was no longer
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  in this movie anymore. He's got to die in a kind of
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  silly punchline sort of way. I can appreciate that because
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  this is a horror comedy franchise now.
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  So yeah, I, I did laugh that Jennifer Tilley getting
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  pregnant. He's completely not not stressed
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  about it because he's had a vasectomy.
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  And I'm like, oh, why wouldn't a lot of Hollywood dudes just get
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  a vasectomy and be like, no, there's no possible way that it
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  could be me as the father. 100%. Just don't need to risk it if
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  you don't need. To but oh man, I loved I'm I now
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  that I'm thinking about it, I've really enjoyed all the way
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  through the pregnancy because I'm also thinking about Stan the
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  the limo driver who is madly in love with Jennifer Tilley and he
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  wants to tell her the whole movie.
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  Yeah, sacrifices his life to save Tiffany, basically.
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  And then still can't tell her Still.
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  Can't I think the the dolls are there to be addicted to murder
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  and the stand insurance for a kind of like bride of Chucky.
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  The the people people don't like their stories are there, but
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  they don't really bear any significance to the franchise.
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  They're just people to be murdered.
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  I feel like when Chucky opens his closet, I didn't even
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  recognize all the people that came out of it.
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  I'm like when did? He murder they were supposed to.
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  OK. They just all start falling out,
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  which you know, is the joke. The fact that even though Chucky
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  has been a little more public with his killing, Tiffany is
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  still a murder doll. And she just does it once or
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  twice to keep the edge off. You know, Rome wasn't built in a
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  day. Yeah.
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  And then, like, I one of, OK, one of my least favorite
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  murders. And it's because it made me
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  realize that this was the other Chucky movie that I had seen.
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  I just had forgotten most of it. But it was the death of John
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  Waters playing the paparazzi guy.
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  Oh, Oh yeah. I mean the the acid face and
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  gore was I I. Didn't think it looked good, I
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  didn't like it. I mean the transition of the
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  initial burn, sure I could agree there.
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  But the after looked like it wasn't.
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  CGI looked like it was. Yeah, maybe it.
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  Wasn't and fleshy. Maybe they either had a a model
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  or something in there to look good and I don't know, like
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  there's that. Maybe I'm just bored with the
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  joke of like surprise, I'm here. Oh no, I'm dead because you
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  surprised me. Had you never surprised me,
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  nothing would have happened. Like, I don't know that that was
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  just my only beef with it. Although I did like that it it
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  started the the track of Glenn being there for a murder and
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  both the parents being like good job.
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  You're you're working on your, your, what do you call it,
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  resume as a murderer and eventually does murder somebody.
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  But I will touch base on that paparazzi like, yeah, I didn't
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  particularly feel like it was connected so much as they had to
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  go chase him down so he wouldn't have pictures of Chucky
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  masturbating to Yeah, like, OK, this is.
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  See, when you say stuff like that, I start to think maybe my
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  score should be a little higher because like, just remind me
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  this movie has little quirks that make it so good.
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  My my score will be reflective of that.
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  I don't think this is the worst Chucky movie, so I do.
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  It is higher than I expected because Bride of Chucky, kind of
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  I didn't love the stand in human actors as like their plot was, I
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  don't know, less realistic than this one and just a little more
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  convoluted of these teenagers are running a way to get married
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  because her uncle who's her guardian is against it.
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  Like, OK, Jennifer Tilley's looking for an acting job
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  because she's an actress. Like, OK, it's Redman.
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  The movie might be ridiculous, but she has a chauffeur.
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  It felt a little more connected. You know, I think you raise a
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  really valid point because the the previous humans felt like
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  just standard horror movie trope characters that you could just
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  throw into any horror movie and and they would, they would just
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  be there. And it doesn't matter who they
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  are or what their motivations are.
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  They're just there to show off the killers.
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  And this one does not work without Jennifer Tilly playing
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  Tiffany. It's it's critical for Jennifer
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  Tilly to be playing two roles in this movie.
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  And the fact that she's kind of AB movie actor, like she doesn't
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  not. Julia Roberts, Yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly. That's the whole joke.
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  And and then, you know, of course you would want to get in
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  with an up and coming director like Redman.
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  Like he he was a big deal in the the 90s as a rapper and and he's
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  he's been in movies. Like why not make him a
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  director? I have no idea.
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  I have no idea what his film career.
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  I tried to look briefly and I don't know that I saw any actual
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  directing. Yeah, that's why I'm sitting
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  here like, I don't know, I yeah, I'm not that into movie
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  directors and celebrities. Like I mostly know him from
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  doing songs with Method Man. Like that's, that's my
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  association. So the point that I'm making is
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  like, it matters that we have these two celebrities playing
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  themselves in this movie. They are not just your typical
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  horror movie fodder. These are celebrities that we
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  have seen our whole lives and one of them just died on screen
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  like. Yeah.
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  So I yeah, I do like that. I like that our human side of
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  the story works. At least felt a little more like
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  something like it grabs Jennifer Tilley and says we'll can make a
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  story with her disregard that she played Tiffany and is still
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  Tiffany. But here in the universe there
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  was a very doppelganger like instance happening.
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  So she's she's back, but she's herself and now Jennifer Tilly.
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  A little part of me wanted a Brad Dourif as Brad Dourif.
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  At. At least as a cameo.
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  Just just to have him be like, oh, hey, Jennifer, how's it
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  going? Like just something like and
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  then he's done for the whole movie.
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  Well, I just. Thought it would be nice if
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  we've got that. You only get Jennifer Tilly
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  playing Tiffany, who is now into actress Jennifer Tilley's body,
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  so she she has to filter Tiffany back into her actress self.
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  It's a silly little sandwich of of characters in one.
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  Well, I'm kind of glad that it turns out that Jennifer Tilley
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  and Tiffany are very similar characters.
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  They don't. They don't have a lot of
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  difference except for one's propensity towards murder.
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  Murder. Oh man, it's an addiction.
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  She's overcoming it. Yeah, Rome wasn't built in a
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  day. She needs time.
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  I I do want to speak on frankly, I think that Tiffany is a really
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  well created character and fleshed out in a really great
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  way by Jennifer Tilly. And even though I just made a
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  joke about them being pretty much the same character as I
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  think about it, the Jennifer Tilly character is very self
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  absorbed. She has a lot of doubt.
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  She's really concerned with getting back on top and she's
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  willing to hurt the people closest to her to do it.
• 30:23
  Whereas Tiffany, she's got a little more confidence and she's
• 30:29
  ready to kick her man to the curb and she's willing to accept
• 30:33
  her son slash daughter, whatever.
• 30:36
  Like just accept that child because it's your child.
• 30:40
  And like I, you know, I think that she genuinely played two
• 30:46
  separate and distinct characters and I feel bad for my earlier
• 30:51
  snodded remark. I mean it shows her range.
• 30:57
  She did a great job. I think her conflict is Tiffany
• 31:04
  and trying to be trying to not be a murderer anymore was a nice
• 31:09
  touch of trying to change. Like she struggles at it and
• 31:15
  doesn't stop murdering people. But trying to remember I felt
• 31:23
  like at one point she felt like she she's stepping.
• 31:30
  No, no, she didn't step in front of an ex.
• 31:32
  She just got axed at the end. Yep, yeah, I didn't step in
• 31:37
  front of it. She was full on murdered.
• 31:40
  Yeah, I think it's a maybe a same a little bit more because
• 31:48
  she does call somebody to say I killed your husband.
• 31:51
  I feel bad about it kind of the self-serving confession where
• 31:58
  it's like, oh, just made that person's life confusing and
• 32:02
  miserable. But I'm glad that you got to
• 32:05
  confess it to. Somebody all about that?
• 32:08
  That was a 10 out of 10 scene. Oh my gosh, I.
• 32:12
  OK, bye now I. Laughed out loud when that call
• 32:16
  happened, I was like, oh this is so funny oh man.
• 32:23
  And then I've got to point out, because I just remembered it in
• 32:27
  the special effects studio where Chucky and Tiffany are
• 32:33
  resurrected once more, I loved when they took the the screws
• 32:40
  off of Tiffany's backplate and we get the organics underneath
• 32:45
  and. So gross.
• 32:47
  So. Gross so good fantastic.
• 32:51
  I mean again, it's one of those things where you have to be like
• 32:54
  wow, why did? Why is it changing so fast?
• 32:59
  But you know we're this isn't a franchise about its lore.
• 33:04
  This is a franchise that just says the dolls are killers.
• 33:08
  Let's go with. It they're alive so that they
• 33:10
  bleed when you attack them, but. Yeah, don't think too hard about
• 33:16
  it. Forget about the lore from the
• 33:18
  past. Isn't that a gross effect?
• 33:20
  And the answer is yes. So gross surprise, yeah.
• 33:26
  So good. Speaking of surprises, let's get
• 33:30
  to it. Finally.
• 33:32
  Finally, there is a voodoo pregnancy.
• 33:37
  Jennifer Tilley, overnight, is ready to give birth.
• 33:42
  She rehires her assistant, who isn't going to make it through
• 33:48
  the rest of the movie. Everything goes down.
• 33:52
  Everything's happening all at once.
• 33:54
  I don't even remember what's going on, but at one point a
• 33:58
  blonde doll kills someone. Oh yeah, and Chucky's like
• 34:05
  Tiffany. I love you, babe.
• 34:07
  And the doll turns around to reveal it's Glinda.
• 34:11
  Glenn apparently has dissociative identity disorder.
• 34:16
  Something like. That and there are two people in
• 34:20
  that brain, kind of. Kind of, yeah.
• 34:24
  Because he's also like, sometimes I'm Glenn and
• 34:28
  sometimes I'm Glinda and like, so part of me was like, OK, so
• 34:34
  is this like you're kind of transgendered or non binary?
• 34:40
  And it depends on how you feel. But very soon, we're going to
• 34:44
  learn. I don't know.
• 34:45
  Well, no, because twins are born and both identities are able to
• 34:54
  possess the bodies of twins. So it was DID the whole time I
• 34:59
  guess. I guess I don't really know the
• 35:04
  at least from the small bit. Like they talk about Glenda and
• 35:09
  the maid is scared of her but we only really see and hear Glenn's
• 35:15
  voice with the boy at the end. Unless I missed something.
• 35:20
  Yeah. But I think Linda never speaks.
• 35:23
  I assume that they split into two or something like it.
• 35:27
  And you know the the lore reason for that is not gonna matter
• 35:34
  when we get to the next movie, so I'm OK I.
• 35:38
  I haven't read ahead, so I don't know.
• 35:40
  Who knows? I don't.
• 35:42
  Know, but I'm pretty sure we're looking.
• 35:46
  At a nine year gap between this movie and the next one, I've
• 35:54
  I've got to say I I did find it a little bit charming, just a
• 35:59
  little bit charming that Tiffany as Jennifer Tilley was still
• 36:06
  walking around with the doll. And you know, I, I enjoyed the
• 36:10
  Chucky, at least his arm came back one more time because he's
• 36:17
  always coming back. That's what he does, man.
• 36:19
  He always comes back. I, I did kind of want to either
• 36:25
  hear Billy Boyd's voice coming out of the little redheaded
• 36:30
  girl, or I would have liked for Glenda to have gotten the
• 36:37
  murder, to have gotten the kill. That's, oh of the.
• 36:40
  That's my only beef is the fact that it's it's still Tiffany
• 36:45
  getting the murders. Well, yeah, I was almost
• 36:48
  expecting it to be Jennifer Tilley in another Chucky horror
• 36:54
  movie getting the kill, but then they flash your eyes to to
• 36:59
  Tiffany's green eyes and it's like, oh, so the voodoo magic
• 37:03
  did put you in a human body. OK.
• 37:05
  So Glenn and Glenda are probably Glenn, Glenda, and then Chucky's
• 37:12
  arm shows up from where we don't really.
• 37:16
  Know I don't even remember how he died this time like that's
• 37:21
  that's what's keeping my score kind of low is that like the
• 37:25
  important parts of this movie are not very memorable.
• 37:31
  The parts that matter to me are watching the Chucky doll
• 37:34
  masturbate or you know. Silhouettes.
• 37:39
  We're not spilled. We're not quite.
• 37:41
  Yes, it's in silhouette. I was.
• 37:43
  Oh yeah, and this is the first movie that had both real and
• 37:49
  plastic boobs. It's.
• 37:52
  Quite the accomplishment for Chucky to have gone 5 movies
• 37:55
  without that I assume I guess. Yeah, Oh, it's so silly.
• 38:02
  That's where I think most of the most of my rating comes from is
• 38:06
  this. I think I just enjoy horror
• 38:10
  comedy more than just horror. So like, there was more good
• 38:16
  things to find in terms of this made me chuckle.
• 38:21
  This made me roll my eyes. This works because it's
• 38:26
  outrageous and silly. I mean, I don't, I don't love
• 38:32
  the whole, like, Turkey base. You're getting Jennifer Tilley
• 38:37
  pregnant. Voodoo magic.
• 38:38
  I love that they call it out before you see the voodoo magic.
• 38:42
  Like, OK, you guys know that. Like, we just need an
• 38:47
  explanation. 5 seconds long, say.
• 38:50
  Oh, yeah, it's the voodoo magic, man.
• 38:52
  It's a, it's gonna do something. It's gonna make it happen
• 38:56
  tomorrow. Well, that condenses the
• 38:59
  timeline so much nicer. We'll go with that.
• 39:06
  I just looked it up, Glenn dismembers and then finally
• 39:12
  kills Chucky and Chucky's proud of him right before the final
• 39:16
  axe blow after getting his arms and legs chopped off.
• 39:21
  Thanks man. Love you kids.
• 39:23
  It's. Shockingly wholesome.
• 39:25
  Yeah, shockingly wholesome. That that is the tagline.
• 39:30
  Let's grab it now for this let go.
• 39:35
  You know, people can be nice to, I don't know, non binary slash
• 39:41
  whatever. Glen Glenda.
• 39:43
  However that law works out, you can still be decent to your
• 39:48
  children that aren't exactly like you because they're just
• 39:53
  murder kids. If if you're Chucky and
• 39:57
  Tiffany's child, just love them. And I'm sure they're, you know,
• 40:04
  far more proud of Glinda than Glenn, but Glinda's got.
• 40:09
  Problems of murdering people. Yeah, I this was a second
• 40:17
  viewing for me. I saw this movie many years ago,
• 40:22
  way back when I still watched television.
• 40:26
  And so I probably watched this with ads.
• 40:29
  And at the time, what stuck with me was John Waters.
• 40:34
  I think I had just watched a movie that he had directed.
• 40:38
  And I was like, that was a weird movie.
• 40:40
  And then I watched this one and I was like, hey, that's the
• 40:44
  director of that weird movie. He just got acid spilled on his
• 40:48
  face. That's weird.
• 40:49
  And I, yeah, like I thought it was weird that a well, I don't
• 40:55
  know if I'm going to say famed director, but he is a famous
• 40:58
  director. He's just kind of famous for
• 41:00
  schlocky movies. He was a pretty significant
• 41:04
  character in this whole movie. He's he's not just a, a walk in
• 41:10
  cameo. He's he's an actor who is
• 41:13
  playing a part throughout this movie.
• 41:17
  Yeah. Like, it's just that he's also a
• 41:20
  director. So yeah, I, it always stands out
• 41:23
  to me that John Waters is a, is an actor.
• 41:28
  Like I'm always like, oh, weird. Yeah.
• 41:31
  And I imagine this was your first time viewing this.
• 41:38
  I think that may lend itself to why I'm remembering the good and
• 41:43
  skipping on the ridiculous. I didn't think that.
• 41:46
  Yeah. The dinner conversation was
• 41:48
  saved by the vasectomy review because, like, well, then, yeah,
• 41:54
  he is not worried about it being his kid at all.
• 41:56
  So that's why he's just eating dinner, having a good time.
• 42:00
  Yeah, just chilling. Just chilling and having a good
• 42:04
  time. I think the fact that they still
• 42:09
  seem to care about their child makes makes the awkward pantsing
• 42:15
  of him a little less weird. Still, still plenty weird.
• 42:20
  I'm like, you guys are arguing and then Oh yeah, Glenn does get
• 42:25
  to be like, what about what I want?
• 42:27
  And it's like, Oh yeah, man, not a little murder doll, what do
• 42:31
  you want? Yeah, not a.
• 42:33
  Scary face. Yeah, super scary face.
• 42:36
  It's like what if an An Alien TM were to not want to hunt down
• 42:46
  people and stab them and eat their brains, but one is, you
• 42:52
  know, just to just to live their life.
• 42:55
  Like, OK, well, you're a murdered.
• 42:57
  Puppy or something yeah yeah, I and you know we said that this
• 43:04
  movie has its weaknesses it has parts that that are kind of bad
• 43:10
  and lame but the the issue is there aren't many of them like
• 43:17
  the I think the one that I disliked the most was very early
• 43:22
  in the movie and it's the puppet show when.
• 43:26
  Oh yeah, The ventriloquist is like, he's not even funny.
• 43:30
  He's just making fun of this doll.
• 43:32
  And I'm just sitting here like, I don't think I would laugh at
• 43:36
  this. That's some.
• 43:37
  Jokes so we can also. Stuff like, can we get to the
• 43:41
  comedy? Like, come on.
• 43:45
  I agree, I don't know if I have much else to add to what happens
• 43:52
  because I I think the murders are mostly done well.
• 43:59
  I can agree with the Acid 1 mainly because the side plot of
• 44:06
  the paparazzi kind of just. It's just fun.
• 44:10
  It goes out of the main plot, comes back, the guys dead, but I
• 44:14
  don't think they bring him back. No consequences, Yeah.
• 44:19
  But they get to see a cameo from Brittany and send her over the
• 44:22
  edge. Her car blows up.
• 44:24
  I It was a pretty good duplicate person.
• 44:28
  It was not Britney for a $12 million movie.
• 44:33
  Yep, but. Her face looked like it I was
• 44:35
  enough to be like, hold on a second, did they?
• 44:38
  You put the costume on, it's pretty.
• 44:40
  Close. Yeah, yeah.
• 44:42
  So that one was maybe a weak point for me.
• 44:46
  A little bit of the Redman just like initial make out on the
• 44:51
  couch. Yeah, wake up.
• 44:55
  That was a little bit weak for me.
• 44:58
  I think the assistant coming back to try and help and then
• 45:00
  getting burned to death was nice and quick.
• 45:03
  It just happens. But it furthers the fact that
• 45:06
  Glenda will kill somebody. Like, OK, yeah, yeah, that's a
• 45:11
  that's a plot point. And we don't really care about
• 45:13
  Joan. Yeah, that's all I got.
• 45:17
  All right, well, before you reveal your score, let me just
• 45:20
  tell the audience that on this podcast, we do ratings, not
• 45:24
  grades. And the primary difference is
• 45:25
  where you find the average. Seeing a grade, you'd put the
• 45:29
  average at a 7 out of 10 because you would want to raise up all
• 45:33
  of the lower scores to get them closer to that 7 out of 10.
• 45:37
  And then nobody's feelings get hurt.
• 45:38
  It's it's great. But we are adults here.
• 45:42
  That's why we offer ratings. If we want to say something as
• 45:45
  average, we say it as A5 out of 10.
• 45:47
  If we say it is above a 5 out of 10, that means we thought it was
• 45:50
  above average, below. We thought it was below average.
• 45:53
  But with that said, and with all that we have considered, Justin,
• 45:58
  what would you give Seed of Chucky?
• 46:00
  I was traumatized by the intro dripping white air quotes.
• 46:07
  Blood. I forgot about that too.
• 46:09
  Followed by the the pregnancy by piranha sounding sperm.
• 46:16
  That was like, OK, if you'd gone to this in the theatre, you're
• 46:21
  walking into it knowing it's called seed of Chucky.
• 46:24
  Everybody strap yourselves in because here we go a baby.
• 46:31
  If you missed the previous bride of Chucky and didn't get any
• 46:35
  insinuations from that, guess what?
• 46:38
  There's a monster baby and it's it's trying to find his parents
• 46:46
  and be accepted by them and you know, it kind of happens.
• 46:51
  Becomes a murderer monster doll which matches the parents.
• 46:57
  And I kind of give this score because I like it better than
• 47:07
  Bride and Child's Play 1. I'm happy with A7.
• 47:13
  It is my first viewing, only viewing.
• 47:20
  I think Jennifer Tilley did a great job in her actress form.
• 47:25
  I think her as Tiffany did a good job as wait, we're actually
• 47:30
  addicted to killing? That makes so much sense.
• 47:33
  We kind of just kill with no reason.
• 47:36
  The people show up and if they can't beat us, they're going to
• 47:40
  be dead. I know that, yes, Brad Doroff
• 47:46
  voices Chucky and is the voice of Chucky and like that is the
• 47:51
  character that I know has more fame than Tiffany.
• 47:57
  I think Tiffany's getting more time and interesting.
• 48:04
  Things wonderful addition. I'm.
• 48:06
  Glad I'm. Glad that Chucky kind of tosses
• 48:09
  out that I'm not going to try and get into a human body.
• 48:12
  Like, I don't like. If you don't try that anymore,
• 48:17
  you won't get frustrated that you can't turn into a human.
• 48:20
  But also, what what would that mean if we turns into a human?
• 48:24
  Oh, we're just going to put Tiffany back into her regular
• 48:27
  actress body, and then we'll work from there because Brad
• 48:31
  Dorriff's body is dead somewhere.
• 48:34
  Like. Yeah.
• 48:35
  Yeah, it's very decomposed. I'm happy with 7 because it may
• 48:42
  just be time and cinematography and writing, you know, simple
• 48:48
  things. From 1988 to 10 plus years
• 48:55
  later. It's just a funnier, sillier
• 48:59
  movie and I enjoyed it more than all the other ones 7.
• 49:07
  That's fair. That is a fair score because I
• 49:11
  came into this at a 5 out of 10 where I was like, it's OK.
• 49:16
  It's it's got its moments, but it's OK.
• 49:19
  But then I just kept thinking about those moments and they're
• 49:23
  they're so charming and they're so good.
• 49:27
  And so I'm at a six out of 10. Like, I feel like this movie
• 49:33
  isn't up to what I loved about some of the other previous ones.
• 49:40
  And this one really did root itself right there in 2004 where
• 49:47
  it was like, here we are. We promise this will always be
• 49:51
  2004. You can always come back to us.
• 49:54
  And if you know, if you happen to be right out of high school
• 50:00
  around 2004 and still a little bit awkward, getting a reminder
• 50:06
  of this time might not be the best.
• 50:12
  Who? Who would that?
• 50:13
  Be but yeah, well, population grew up in Kentucky, who could
• 50:19
  possibly be in that age bracket? But otherwise, this movie has a
• 50:24
  lot of charm to this day. It's well worth the watch.
• 50:29
  Like even if it's not your favorite movie in the franchise,
• 50:33
  I think it's still worth being in the franchise.
• 50:39
  I I think that it's worth including in your viewing.
• 50:43
  Like there were some Bond movies where I was like, you could skip
• 50:48
  that one. Do people not like this movie?
• 50:51
  I mean this one generally has an average score under 5 out of 10.
• 50:59
  The Rotten Tomatoes is the lowest at 36% and then IMDb is
• 51:07
  the highest at 4.9 out of 10. So most people think this is a
• 51:11
  below average movie. Our mutual friend said that this
• 51:16
  is to him the second worst in the franchise and I disagree.
• 51:24
  I think this movie's fine. I don't think it's the best in
• 51:28
  the franchise. I think you're wrong there.
• 51:30
  I mean, go ahead and divide us, man.
• 51:34
  That is some divisive talk. I know, but it was a good time.
• 51:43
  I'm glad we went on that ride so that that gives us a show
• 51:47
  average of 6.5 out of 10, which I think, you know, that's right
• 51:54
  behind original child's play. That's fair with your your weird
• 52:01
  scoring. I think, I think I expect to be
• 52:06
  let down with the rest of the chuckies because this one, the
• 52:11
  plot felt more there. Chucky, what do you call it,
• 52:17
  rejects his, his purposes trying to become a human again.
• 52:22
  Like I feel like there are enough tweaks that it became, Oh
• 52:27
  well, something different will happen next time, surely,
• 52:31
  Because they said this, this is different now.
• 52:34
  Like if the dolls, if I mean, I expect Chucky to come back, I
• 52:39
  expect Tiffany and Glenda, Glenda and Glenda to still be
• 52:43
  humans in the next one. If that's different, we'll see.
• 52:48
  I hope that we continue on, but it is important to note that at
• 52:54
  least for the next two movies, we are no longer going to have a
• 52:58
  box office. We'll still have a budget, but
• 53:01
  we won't know how well these movies did.
• 53:04
  And both of the the next two movies came out well into the
• 53:10
  streaming era. So you can't really point to
• 53:14
  like, home sales because not a lot of people were buying DVDs
• 53:20
  and Blu rays anymore. And and fewer and fewer will be
• 53:24
  doing it every year. I'm kind of crazy for buying
• 53:28
  these things on physical media. It's making a small collection.
• 53:35
  You. Cannot turn them off on eBay.
• 53:37
  Exactly, my kids will have something to sell when I'm dead
• 53:42
  and buried. All right.
• 53:46
  Well, I think that's a good score average.
• 53:52
  Thanks, audience. If you've been listening this
• 53:54
  far, this is our 900th and 27th episode now.
• 54:01
  We've only been through a couple of franchises.
• 54:03
  I have enjoyed a year or so of doing this right.
• 54:09
  Yeah, we've had our one year anniversary.
• 54:12
  I forgot to text you about that. I don't know exactly what day it
• 54:16
  happened, but I do think it's been a ride to get through.
• 54:21
  I mean what 6 franchises? Some of them are large.
• 54:25
  So double O 7 is basically a quarter or more of a year, maybe
• 54:32
  a maybe a half a year. But thank you.
• 54:36
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• 54:53
  I haven't posted to any of those, so I.
• 54:55
  Apologize, which one are we doing?
• 55:00
  These days, it is only to be the podcast.
• 55:05
  Yeah, the podcast itself, which does appear on YouTube.
• 55:09
  OK, I thought I had seen or maybe I was thinking zoom back
• 55:16
  redeliver that like comment interact on our YouTube shorts
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  or channel. The more you like more you
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  share. I'll get more reach.
• 55:27
  If you have any comments on Seed of Chucky, go ahead and e-mail
• 55:33
  us or leave a comment. I think it's fun to hear if
• 55:38
  other people enjoy it for its absurdity or if they dislike it
• 55:42
  because it's a departure from what made Chucky horrifying and
• 55:46
  terrifying. I enjoy that he knows he's scary
• 55:49
  in this one. Like, OK, he's he's aware that
• 55:53
  he's just gonna murder people, but let's see.
• 56:01
  Send us any suggestions for future franchises if you have
• 56:04
  them. Usually at least three films or
• 56:08
  more would be nice. But I mean, I'll take it a two
• 56:12
  film franchise. I'm fine with that.
• 56:15
  There's one in particular that I'm going to make you watch at
• 56:18
  some point. OK, I'm down for it, but thank
• 56:23
  you from us, your hosts. And until next time, watch your
• 56:28
  ankles. Chucky's out.
• 56:31
  Bye. Goodbye.
• 56:48
  I've enjoyed this Chucky the most out of all of them, as
• 56:52
  reflected in my. Book.
• 56:54
  Yeah, I'm excited for the next two because, like, I've got a
• 57:00
  morbid curiosity. Morbid curiosity about straight
• 57:05
  to video movies. Like no theater, no theatrical,
• 57:11
  nothing big. You could do and I assume get
• 57:17
  away with whatever you want. I don't know.
• 57:20
  I feel like a directive video just has fewer.
• 57:26
  I don't know if there's two different rules, but it just
• 57:29
  seems like, you know, 5 million make a movie.
• 57:33
  I wonder if we'll see Chucky portrayed by someone in the
• 57:36
  costume again. We'll see.
• 57:38
  Oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:40
  Did they pay an actor to be Chucky in a mask?
• 57:45
  Or, you know, someone wearing the Chucky mask.
• 57:48
  Is it cheaper than running the animatronic maybe?
• 57:53
  In 2013 like right did they do CG?
• 57:58
  Maybe. Yeah, small budget, exciting to
• 58:01
  find out.