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8/6/26: Ben Shapiro Grocery Meltdown, Plane Downed By US Military, Tucker 3rd Party Manifesto, Israeli Mole At The UN · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: dot com. Turning now to Burritogate. If you're lucky enough
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  Speaker 1: not to be as online as me, you have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about, and you're really going to
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  Speaker 1: love this segment. Basically, what happened is that very recently
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  Speaker 1: a debate broke out amongst conservative influencers around the cost
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  Speaker 1: of burritos, and it stems from a tweet from Andrew Clevett,
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  Speaker 1: who of the Charlie Kirkshow, where he said that one
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  Speaker 1: of his TPUSA members had told him a burrito should
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  Speaker 1: not cost twenty dollars. Obviously, that was not about the burrito.
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  Speaker 1: It was largely about affordability, the cost of groceries, which
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  Speaker 1: are up forty three percent over the last five years,
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  Speaker 1: and generally the feeling that life is far too expensive.
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  Speaker 1: It was also paired with a criticism of the Iran war,
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  Speaker 1: which has driven up gas prices and made the affordability
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  Speaker 1: crisis even worse. All of this, of course, the neo
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  Speaker 1: cons took great offense to, saying that if you are
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  Speaker 1: complaining about this, you are a spoiled little rich millennial,
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  Speaker 1: or you are a spoiled millennial. You are not rich
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  Speaker 1: because of your own failings. Actually you are shouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: be buying said burrito unless you're independently wealthy. Shapiro being
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  Speaker 1: the loudest of these voices.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, So Andrew Covid over at TPUSA,
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  Speaker 3: he tweeted out today one of our TPUSA college students
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  Speaker 3: gave me his take on affordability. A burrito shouldn't cost
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  Speaker 3: twenty bucks. Yeah, a lot of this is to hang
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  Speaker 3: over from Covid and bidenhar inflation, but the lived experience
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  Speaker 3: is the same. It just feels like basic things cost
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  Speaker 3: too much so. Obviously, I agree things cost more than
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  Speaker 3: they should. But let's start from the beginning here a
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  Speaker 3: burrito for twenty bucks. As we're starting a burrito for
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  Speaker 3: twenty bucks, there is literally only one way in the
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  Speaker 3: United States of America in this year twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 3: for a burrito to cost twenty dollars.
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  Speaker 1: You went to a kind of expensive restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: A burrito at Chipotle probably tops out about thirteen bucks,
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  Speaker 3: a top shelf burrito option at Taco Bell. We have
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  Speaker 3: been informed by our intrepid Daily Wire Taco Bell correspondent
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  Speaker 3: Brad Bishop runs five ninety nine plus tacts for the
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  Speaker 3: Avocado Ranch Crispy Chicken burrito, which he also reports is
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  Speaker 3: jaw droppingly delicious. But let us also pretend that you're
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  Speaker 3: just a poor young student as I once was, or
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  Speaker 3: say you're a dude who is just starting his work
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  Speaker 3: life and wants some upward mobility like I once was.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what you do. If you want a burrito, You
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  Speaker 1: head on down to the supermarket.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you today's prices via Instacart, and you
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  Speaker 3: buy some tortillas for about four bucks for a package
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  Speaker 3: of ten. You also grab a can of free fried
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  Speaker 3: beans for a couple of bucks fifty, and then you
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  Speaker 3: grab some cheese, some salsa, maybe inn avocado, and then
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  Speaker 3: you microwave some of that stuff. Boom, you're talking to
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  Speaker 3: burrito that's pretty good for less than two dollars, like
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  Speaker 3: one tenth of the price that that student is talking
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  Speaker 3: about one tenth two dollars. So what the hell are
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  Speaker 3: we even talking about here? But unfortunately this has become
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  Speaker 3: the mode for a lot of young people. Why can't
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  Speaker 3: I afford what my parents could afford when they were
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  Speaker 3: my age?
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  Speaker 4: Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to groceries, you can, and in areas,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, for housing where deregulation has been the rule,
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  Speaker 3: you still can. In fact, you have today more restaurant options,
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  Speaker 3: your food costs less of your disposable income, and it
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  Speaker 3: is probably significantly better. Back in nineteen fifty, your grandparents
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  Speaker 3: were consuming on average about one thousand calories less per
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  Speaker 3: day than you do now. And as far as food
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  Speaker 3: expenditure as a share of family disposable income in the
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  Speaker 3: United States, look at this basically, that has been flatlined
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  Speaker 3: since the mid nineties at well hundred ten percent. If
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  Speaker 3: you go back to when your parents were doing this,
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  Speaker 3: it was like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent. But we're constantly
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  Speaker 3: being told that we can't even afford for which is
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  Speaker 3: a wild exaggeration.
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  Speaker 1: It's a wild exaggeration. So if you've been to the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store and you've noticed that prices are up, it's
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  Speaker 1: a wild exaggeration. Also, note that Ben didn't put meat
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  Speaker 1: in that little medley that he calls a burrito.
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  Speaker 4: There.
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  Speaker 1: So let's actually take a look at the data. Let's
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  Speaker 1: put D six up here on the screen. Here we go,
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  Speaker 1: grocery prices five years ago. What do we see? Oh? Interesting?
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  Speaker 1: The price of food purchased for home use from twenty
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  Speaker 1: nineteen through June twenty twenty six is up thirty three percent.
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  Speaker 1: Consumers are now buying fewer of their favorite foods or
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  Speaker 1: less food overall, which might explain why, actually that you
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  Speaker 1: might be spending the same percent of your income on food,
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  Speaker 1: but you're actually buying worse food for you. Now, another thing,
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  Speaker 1: Americans have become a lot more health conscious. Ryan, So
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff you and I grew up eating
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  Speaker 1: we would never feed to our children. I can raise
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  Speaker 1: my hand and say that what's a half gallon of grass?
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  Speaker 1: Fed milk go for right now seven fifty dollars a gallon.
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  Speaker 1: You want eighteen pasture raised eggs, that's going to costume
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  Speaker 1: maybe ten fifteen box depending on where you're buying it from.
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  Speaker 1: People say, hey, organic food has always been more expensive. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I choose to do that because you know, I want
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  Speaker 1: my daughter to have a healthy brain. Not saying judging
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  Speaker 1: or anybody out there who can't afford it, And I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, you know, if you want to buy a
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  Speaker 1: little bit healthier option, you've actually seen the skyrocketing costs
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  Speaker 1: in that as well. So all together, especially whenever you
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  Speaker 1: put not just healthy options, to put that off the table,
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  Speaker 1: even just you know, wholesale beef prices up dramatically under
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  Speaker 1: the Trump presidency and especially from the beginning of twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: But this basically comes down to their message of if
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  Speaker 1: you're mad about the cost of living, increase on the
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  Speaker 1: Iran war, your surrender monkey, and you are somebody who
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  Speaker 1: is you know, pro Iran nuclear weapon. That's why they're
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  Speaker 1: going so hard about this. So for example, let's put
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  Speaker 1: D three up here on the screen. Here is Mark Tieson,
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  Speaker 1: one of the preeminent neo cons in Washington. Responding to
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  Speaker 1: the a burrito shouldn't cost twenty dollars, Mark says, crime
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  Speaker 1: me a river. The burritos in the college cafeteria are
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  Speaker 1: included in your meal plan. He later spazed out after
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  Speaker 1: the Vice president, let's put his tweet up here on
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  Speaker 1: the screen, said what did he say? I'm surprised to
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  Speaker 1: hear Mark say this. If you ever met him in person,
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  Speaker 1: it's quite obvious the man has never missed a burrito.
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  Speaker 1: That's definitely true seeing Mark in person a few times.
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  Speaker 1: And fat shaming aside, which is always healthy whenever we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about somebody who is trying to send your sons
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  Speaker 1: and daughter to a war, who himself wouldn't even qualify
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  Speaker 1: for military service. Whenever we look at this grotesque creature
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  Speaker 1: on our screens, who says things like we're not a
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  Speaker 1: real superpower if you can't afford four dollar gasoline, and
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  Speaker 1: who brags about how he worked his way through college
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, and Nan tells people, crime you
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  Speaker 1: a river, you should go and eat at your cafeteria.
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  Speaker 1: What they're saying is, if you're mad about the cost
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  Speaker 1: of living, concern number one. It was Biden's fault and
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  Speaker 1: number two, you are you are offering surrender to Iran.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they're going so hard right now. And this
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  Speaker 1: connects me back to the original attack that we had
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  Speaker 1: on Al Saiad where he's out here being like, I
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  Speaker 1: want things to cost less. I want your health. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, we don't even talk about healthcare premium. Mine
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  Speaker 1: went up by twenty four percent a year. Vear, Okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: no saying that or any of that. I know my
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  Speaker 1: in laws, I remember there. There's about like four hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent before they have to qualify for Medicare. But that's
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  Speaker 1: my point is that you don't even talk about this
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  Speaker 1: stuff now anymore whenever it comes to affordability. And it's
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  Speaker 1: especially hard because, as you and I know, a conservative
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  Speaker 1: meme which became very effective under the Biden presidency was
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  Speaker 1: like at the gas pump, you know, in some boomer
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  Speaker 1: Republican would put a sticker of Biden being like I
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  Speaker 1: did that, which was effective. I mean, it absolutely was.
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  Speaker 1: Or when we would talk about groceries, what's his name,
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  Speaker 1: the Republican governor of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin. He ran in
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  Speaker 1: Virginia on reducing the grocery tax, like that was a
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  Speaker 1: central pillar of his campaign, and now prices are high
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  Speaker 1: and remain high under Trump. Oh, actually, it's your fault.
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  Speaker 1: You're a spoiled little loser if you want to afford
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  Speaker 1: a cheap urrita.
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  Speaker 4: And we already did this whole thing ten years ago
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  Speaker 4: with avocado toast. Yeah, the whole reason that, the whole
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  Speaker 4: reason the millennials are falling behind is not because the
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  Speaker 4: complete erosion of the public welfare and the kind of
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  Speaker 4: seizing of wealth by the top point one percent. It's
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  Speaker 4: that you spoiled kids are having too much avocado toast
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  Speaker 4: and complaining about the price of it. Maybe we wrap
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  Speaker 4: the avocado toast in a burritos. Then that's the synthesis
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  Speaker 4: of this decade long this decade long debate, I think
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  Speaker 4: put up D six again just so people understand what's
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  Speaker 4: going on here. Okay, you want to quibble with you
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  Speaker 4: can go to Chipotle and actually, if you don't get
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  Speaker 4: any guacamole and you don't give a tip, which is
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  Speaker 4: related to this, because people feel like they want to
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  Speaker 4: put the dollar two dollars on there, and then that
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  Speaker 4: gets you closer to the twenty dollars with the guacamole.
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  Speaker 4: You're at the twenty bucks. But this is the chart,
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  Speaker 4: like this is it? Like set aside whether you can
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  Speaker 4: get a burrito and forget taco bell. Don't give me
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  Speaker 4: taco bell. Set aside whether you can get a burrito
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  Speaker 4: for twenty dollars or fifteen dollars or whatever. This chart
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  Speaker 4: right here tells you everything about how much people are choking,
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  Speaker 4: because if you look back at the numbers before the
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  Speaker 4: green line twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, people were
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  Speaker 4: not living high on the hog, but at least for
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  Speaker 4: the last couple two decades or so, there had been
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  Speaker 4: roughly stable food prices, grocery prices. You don't see a
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  Speaker 4: concombatant rise in wages between this time. What you see
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  Speaker 4: is people who were struggling already now all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden paying this much more for food prices. And what
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  Speaker 4: do we also what also happened at that exact same
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  Speaker 4: time in twenty twenty, we had the massive kind of
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  Speaker 4: influx of money to kind of stave off economic collapse
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  Speaker 4: from the COVID shutdown. All of that wealth, all of
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  Speaker 4: those trillions of dollars that were spent, and people were
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  Speaker 4: glad to get the checks and everything else. That all
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  Speaker 4: flowed directly to the top in terms of these companies
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  Speaker 4: charging higher wages and supply chain asset prices going through
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  Speaker 4: the roof, and we went from the you look at
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  Speaker 4: the exact numbers, but the top one percent, their share
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  Speaker 4: of wealth absolutely exploded after twenty twenty. And what people
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  Speaker 4: need to understand is that that when you have wealth
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  Speaker 4: transfers like that, they're coming out of your pocket. It's
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  Speaker 4: not totally fake imaginary numbers that are expanding the wealth
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  Speaker 4: of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. They are taking We
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  Speaker 4: haven't had economic growth, like Western economies have been growing
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  Speaker 4: at roughly one percent for like two decades, and the
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  Speaker 4: rich is the wealth of these the top one percent,
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  Speaker 4: they've been growing at ten twenty percent. So if we're
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  Speaker 4: not producing more wealth, but the rich are getting richer,
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  Speaker 4: it has to come from somewhere, and it's in that
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  Speaker 4: chart that you saw, that's where that's a part of
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  Speaker 4: where it's coming from. You are getting poorer and it's
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  Speaker 4: harder for you to afford things like food because you
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  Speaker 4: have less wealth. If the rich were getting richer because
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  Speaker 4: they were creating innovations that were growing our economy at
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  Speaker 4: five percent or ten percent a year, then your living
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  Speaker 4: standards would stay stable. But they're not. They're taking it
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  Speaker 4: from people, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you know even more so it's like I remember,
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  Speaker 1: there's this famous moment in nineteen ninety two presidential debate.
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  Speaker 1: A woman asked Bill Clinton about the national debt. No
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  Speaker 1: offense to this lady. She wasn't actually asking about the
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  Speaker 1: national debt. She was asking about the economy. Right. Clinton
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  Speaker 1: senses this, and he goes start talking about affordability, about costs,
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  Speaker 1: about trickle down economics, as in that's she was When
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  Speaker 1: she says to the national debt, she means the economy,
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  Speaker 1: all right, sue her. So when the student complains about
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  Speaker 1: the burrito, they're complaining about the affordability of everything. So
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about grocery prices, like I said, Chipotle alone, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I sent my tweet to the group DM. You can
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  Speaker 1: see I pulled this from when I was twenty years old.
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  Speaker 1: When I was twenty years old, it was fourteen years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You could see this is what the menu at Chipotle
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  Speaker 1: looked like. Chicken. A chicken Chipotle bowl was five dollars
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  Speaker 1: and sixty cents. So that is six dollars after tax.
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  Speaker 1: If you adjust that for inflation, that's roughly eight dollars
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  Speaker 1: or so today it is between twelve and thirteen dollars
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  Speaker 1: all of this. So at that time I'm guessing, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the exact price in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: the drink would probably go for around eighty nine cents
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  Speaker 1: if I had to guess. So you're all in costs
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  Speaker 1: on a meal is looking like six something bucks after tax.
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  Speaker 1: What we all know today is you're looking at fourteen
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  Speaker 1: fifteen maybe in sixteen dollars. And that's just with the
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  Speaker 1: bare bones nogaka. Also, these are not the same burritos
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  Speaker 1: by the way, No they're not. Yeah, they were a
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  Speaker 1: lot bigger back in THEA.
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  Speaker 4: For a while, I was thinking, like, have I just
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  Speaker 4: like developed a capacity to eat more as I've gotten
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  Speaker 4: hold because it's actually supposed to go the other direction
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  Speaker 4: A twenty two year old friend and I, yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: at the time, would split it too. All the time,
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  Speaker 4: A twenty two year old young man is eating a
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  Speaker 4: lot of calories.
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  Speaker 1: And you would split one and be full, and they
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  Speaker 1: would give you they would give you tortillas on the side.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome if you're twenty. I feel bad that
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  Speaker 1: you have never got to experiences. But the reason I
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  Speaker 1: know engage in this debate is because.
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  Speaker 4: To three dollars for us.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I mean to deny. This reduction in the
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  Speaker 1: quality of life is crazy. Now it's at housing. On
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  Speaker 1: top of it. I have the numbers in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: If you look after you take median home price with
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  Speaker 1: the current interest rate, which is roughly six point seven percent,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that means you're all in cost of
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  Speaker 1: principle and interest alone is twenty six eighty a month.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the home price was three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars and the average thirty year interest rate
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  Speaker 1: was three point nine percent, which is a little eye actually,
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  Speaker 1: And if you take that together, you're all in cost
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  Speaker 1: was roughly twelve hundred dollars a month, So you have
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  Speaker 1: a more than double all in cost of just principal interests.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't you even talked about home insurance, which is up
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  Speaker 1: dramatically right now, And as we showed you all previously,
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  Speaker 1: the emergency services costs and stuff, which has all been
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  Speaker 1: rolled up by private equity, that's up one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent. So your cost of home ownership right now
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  Speaker 1: is dramatically, dramatically higher. And again these people want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that if you complain about this, that you
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  Speaker 1: are a poor you are a irresponsible loser, Avocado toast
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  Speaker 1: overspender and ultimately it comes back to Iran, which is
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  Speaker 1: why they're all getting mad.
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  Speaker 4: Let's put real quickly, the top point one percent twenty
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  Speaker 4: years ago of households owned seven trillion dollars. Now they
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  Speaker 4: own twenty five trillion dollar and most of that is
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  Speaker 4: because of the stock market. And we haven't and we
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  Speaker 4: haven't had a four x increase in our economy that
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  Speaker 4: they took. That money has been taken from the wealth
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  Speaker 4: of what used to be the middle class.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's we can even see some of this like,
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  Speaker 1: for example, put D eight, you know, to underscore the
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  Speaker 1: neo con point. Right, here's Mark Levin. These people going
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  Speaker 1: on about the price of a taco haven't gone to
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  Speaker 1: Taco Bell lately. They're affordable buck ninety nine to two
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine. I remember they were nine to nine cents.
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  Speaker 4: Mark.
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  Speaker 1: They say, I just grabbed a couple at my local
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  Speaker 1: Taco Bell last night, not just for the wealthy. What
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  Speaker 1: a stupid and a phony argument. You also have an
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  Speaker 1: old Cringshaw weighing in. Let's put D nine up here
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  Speaker 1: on the screen. I love this one, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: just hearing about this dumb twenty dollars twenty dollars burrito debate.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought I'd make the losers on social media
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  Speaker 1: angry before going to bed. Stop whining, get a job,
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  Speaker 1: eat ramen like the rest of us did in college
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  Speaker 1: on a budget with four roommates. The market doesn't care
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  Speaker 1: what you think something should cost. Only communists care. They
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  Speaker 1: set prices. Remember, then everyone starves. Remember are you communist?
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  Speaker 1: Or are you an American adult male capable of handling
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  Speaker 1: his own shit. Now you might be surprised to learn
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  Speaker 1: that it's September eighth, twenty twenty one. Dan Crenshaw said, quote, America,
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  Speaker 1: our food prices are too high. What are you doing
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  Speaker 1: about inflation? And he says Biden admin says just be
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  Speaker 1: vegan and stop complaining, you bunch of rubes. Interesting and I.
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  Speaker 4: Think people would actually be fine with this, like go
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  Speaker 4: eat ramen and chill with your four roommates if there
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: was a sense that that was going to be limited upward,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Like okay, you know what I'm working hard. This is
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I'm going to pay my dues with the ramen for
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: four years and then I'm going to get a decent job.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: I'm going to buy a home, and then I'm going
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: to Chipotle. Fine, i won't go to Chipotle for four years,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: but in four years I will be able to go
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: to Chipole. I mean, that's one believes they get part
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: of they're going to get.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Even Chippotle was true. It wasn't as we just told.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: It was just basic. It was ability. You did not
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: have to make a fat money to be able to eat.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: And now you're like those three bucks. You have three bucks,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you get a brea. It was not bad like it
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: really And that's the thing about fast food now. I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: mean McDonald's all in cost, you know, is roughly the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: same now as like a crappy diner or sit down restaurant.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, I mean that is a
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: sea change in American life. It's just simply is McDonald's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: not good for you. Not saying it is, but it
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: was one of those where it was cheap. Certainly if
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you were living on a budget, that stuff is just gone.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And so when you look, dollar was still helpful but
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: there's no dollar many anymore.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Or there's still some cheap stuff. Okay, it's like it's
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the only one that's like remotely appealing to Like.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: You're saying that, you see, I fell into this trap
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: is because I complained here on the show, and then
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: our viewers said, that's because you're not using the app.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Now I have the app literally bombarded by McDonald's being
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: like oh cold and buthe oh, but I'm like, I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: don't stop, like at least coffee. Yeah, I don't want
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: all of these deals or whatever, which aren't even really
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: deals ultimately when it comes down to it. But that's
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: fast food all across the board. There's no way you're
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: going to tell me Taco Bell is quote affordable, especially
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: when I've seen those prices on some of those things.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen them go up by like, you know, five
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, let alone by fifty two one hundred remember
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: five dollars foot longs. Like people who are young cannot
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: even comprehend how cheap a lot of fast food used
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to be. Again, it wasn't good for you, but it
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: was damn cheap. You could eat off with that because
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: for a long time, Yeah, not for me, right, but
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: that's where again, it was available. So this is where
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the neocons are. If you complain about burrito cost, food
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: cost in general, you're a communist. You are a surrender monkey,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You're a loser. You're not an American male capable of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: handling your own shit. Dan Crenshaw, the man who, between
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: serving the military and Congress has never had a private
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: sector job, literally, never had a private sector job, defended
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: his ability to trade stocks while he was in Congress,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: defense stocks, you'll recall, and who just lost his primary
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and maybe that has something to do with it, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: maybe this message has you know, is going to come
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: back to bite the Republicans in the midterms. Just my
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: own personal elementary political analysis. Let's get to UFOs. We
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to give everybody an update on this absolutely insane story,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: which of course has a you know, there's a UFO connection,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a second. But let's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: take everything at face value for what it is right now,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: let's put it up here on the screen. So, according
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to Wired and Futurism, their new ride up, it appears
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that the US military accidentally killed everyone on board a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: civilian metavac flight in New Mexico, not just in New
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Mexico as well New Mexico. But let me read when
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the FAA shut down air traffic to El Paso Airport
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: earlier this year, nobody could have guessed then that an
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: experimental high energy laser weapon was the cause. After days
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of chaos and speculation, it was revealed CBP officials had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: fired off a laser volley from a US Army base
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: adjacent to El Paso. Thus, the trigger happy Border Patrol
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: grunts evidently thought they were firing at drug smuggling drones.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Their real target it turned out to be a kid's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: party balloon regardless. It was later reported that the cutting
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: edge weapon was taken for a trest drive a week
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: before the FAA and Pentagon officials had a chance to
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: discuss how to safely implement the laser device, making it
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a small miracle that nobody was killed. Not every use
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of an experimental aerospace weapon goes off without a hitch.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: New reporting reveals that a testing of an experimental GPS
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: jammer resulted in a medical plane crashing into the side
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: of a mountain. The horrifying incident happened in May when
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a small twin engine METAVAC aircraft carrying two pilots and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: two medical workers, departed from Roswell, New Mexico, heading west
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: for the small mountain village of Russoto. The crew became
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the victim of an electronic warfare exercise being conducted at
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: White Sand's Missile Range, a test which rendered their navigational
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: system completely inoperable due to the combination of low visibility
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and air traffic control that was stretched far beyond capacity.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Three other planes also reported navigation disruption due to GPS jamming.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: The pilots failed to register a mountainous formation between their
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: plane and the landing strip. Pilot and crash analysts said
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that the visual effect of that approach would have been stupefying.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: When the lights go out, you know that you are
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in big trouble. The disoriented crew ran straight into the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: side of the mountain they never saw, resulting in the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: loss of every life on board. It is the first
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: instance known where a military GPS jammer played a role
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in the downing of a civilian plane in US airspace.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So that's the official story, Brian, as that's out right
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: now from Wired magazine. On its face, absolutely bonkers and insane.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I do you know a lot of people in the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: UFO community. They sent it to me. It's very interesting.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Even if it's true, this alone is a massive scandal, etc.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I have some questions. White Sands Spase, long known for
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: UFI in the UFO world for testing a lot of
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: rumors and other reports going back all the week to
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. Immediately is what a lot of us
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: flagged when the El Paso shutdown happened. CBP shooting at
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: cartel drones just to me, never passed the sniff test.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Even as crazy as CBP and I and all, this
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: is like, I'm sorry, these drug drones they cross the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: border every single day. We have drone jamming technology. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: guess you could believe that Trump's ICE or CVP would
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: be so insane to do something like that resulting in
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the not TAM that was issued over El Paso in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night totally shut down the airport.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It does, though, I mean it happened in Roswel in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: New Mexico, so we're talking about Roswell obviously again the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: site of the original UFO crash here in the United States.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: If you believe the official story, you're an idiot. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: when you look at what's happened here, it's very clear
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: why are we testing this GPS jamming device? Now, maybe
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it's for drone warfare. It certainly does have you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a it has an explanation though Iran drones, Ukraine and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: all of that. But a lot of that stuff, if
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: we know already exists, is in the works, has been
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: tested previously before. We're shooting experimental lasers up into the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: sky to shoot things down. Seems like something you may
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: want to do if you're worried about things that are
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: flying up in your airspace. So I know I'm taking
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: people a bit far. This is my personal, you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: pet kind of thing. But even if we just take
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it on its face, it does appear that four people
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: died here in a GPS jamming caused by the United
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: States military, and it was.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: A it's a metavac flight yep. And I'm also curious
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: what happened to the person who the flight was trying
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: to rescue because they appear not to be on it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But if the they're probably inbound, right, so that's what
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the reporting seems to indicate.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: So if they needed emergency evacuation and their plane crash,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: you know that that may there may be an additional
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: victim on top of that. So what's the what are
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the questions that they think So they think this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: they're trying to shoot down UFOs or something.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I mean it's been one of the projects. Look,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I mean one of the you know. So let's say,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: if we take it back to the one of the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: most credible UFO siding in American history off of the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: off the coast of California, one of the things that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was reported was interference with their own onboard technology, was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: their inability or they were you know, tracking it as
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: we saw in the twenty seventeen footage that was released
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: by the New York Times between the tik Tak and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: some of these other UFO craft that were caught on video.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But there has long been reports of many of these
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: pilots of interference with their own craft. And of course,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like if you have something flying around, you would want
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to try and to bring it down, maybe with experimental
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: GPS jamming, not even GPS again, we're taking it there word,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: We don't really know experimental lasers that are able to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: shoot things out of the sky. I just again find
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it crazy that this is being used for cartailed drones
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like that does not pass the smell testamon at all.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Small drones like that. I mean, if you listening to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: people who are in prison right now, you know you've
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: got small drones that drop drugs off in the middle
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of prison yards. Apparently this is extremely common. This is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the way they get drugs that are into prison like.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: The idea that this is not a known quantity is ridiculous.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: We know we have well known drone jamming and drone
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: enforcement which doesn't interfere with civilian aircraft here in Washington,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: d C. It's not like you can just fly a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: drone over the National Mall. It's going down instantly, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we have all kinds of tech that is non experimental.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So it just seems to me that something crazy was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: going on at this missile base to be using such
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: an extraordinary technology which is interfering both with the civilian
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: craft where a bunch of people crashed and died, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: multiple other aircraft on the scene, as verified now by
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: these internal reports by Wired. So that's all I'm saying,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you know, more general, and again, what I'm trying to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: say is, even if it has nothing to do with UFOs,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: what an insane situation, regardless is you're testing in an
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: experimental jammer and you cause the crash of four people
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that in and of itself is assive scandal, which is
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: getting no attention. We also recently had, and this is
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: where I'll steel man my own case. We just had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: an incident here in Washington where Marine won the President's helicopter.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: A civilian aircraft was able to get within a mile
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of it because of bad air traffic control. And this
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is after the crash that happened at Washington Reagan Airport
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: where you had the helicopter and the civilian airliner collide,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: no after action report which has actually changed all much
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: of anything, and multiple close calls to continue to happen
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because of air traffic control. So I just put all
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: this together, and we have two things. You know, obviously
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you could have incompetence and insanity by the government is
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: an easy explanation. There is, in my opinion again, potential
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: for something more. That's all either way like utterly reckless.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yes two.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I mean they claim that they warned the pilots that
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: there was GPS jamming, but like hard heading, believe heading
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: into this mountainous right region in the night trying trying
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: to land that plane without GPS and they're kind of
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: It's not like they got a warning days in advance,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: So what's the what's the emergency? Like anybody who's taking
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: off and heading to that airstrip should be told. Also,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: what are you doing get out of here with this
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: freaking GPS jamming stuff? Well, you know that's why they
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: shut down that l passage space.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That was Yes, they shut down all pass it because
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the lasers, the experimental lasers. Again, I just I still
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it never passed the smell test to me, you do
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: not shoot experimental lasers in the sky at aircraft causing
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the shutdown of civilian airport for nothing. I will never
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: believe the cartel drone story and combine it with this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is clear that at White Sands, again, a long long
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: history of UFO sidings, of experiments of all kinds of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: crazy technology and things that have been tested here. The
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: fact that this happened in Roswell, New Mexico, A lot
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of questions that's around this is.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, what if the cartels are going to start using
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: those first person like PvdA ethernet connected so that they
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: can't be jammed because they only need.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think they do. I'm pretty sure is actually at
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the cable what I have. I read a report from
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: one of the cartel strongholds where they have their own
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: GPS jamming technology. I bet they do to not allow
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: rivals to use drones to surveil, right because and the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Mexican government some cartel a car one cartel killed another
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: cartel loss with a drone dropping the dropping a thing
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on his little tent straight out of Syria at Ukraine.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. Okay, let's get to Tucker turning down
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to Tucker Carlson the potential for a third party. Here's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Kent on Tyt previewing it. Let's take a listen.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Somebody needs to begin work immediately on one question, which
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: is what unites all of us.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: It's probably not going to be that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Hard because most of the divisions that we think are irreparable,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: they're chasms. There's no way I have anything in common
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: with that person, and my daughter married him, might freak out.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Most of those divisions are artificial. They were actually foisted
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: out on us by our leaders, who's incompetence and graph
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: needed to cover there are smart people who have been
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: saying this for a long time. It's not to say
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: there aren't natural differences between people. Of course there are,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: including between races. Of course there are. But are they
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: bigger than the things we have in common? No, they're not.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: But they've been exacerbated and inflamed and intentionally highlighted as
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: part of a long term project to divert attention from
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: what is now very obviously true, which is that both
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: parties have colluded against the population to make their lives
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: better and our lives worse. There's kind of no arguing
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: that that's a fact at this point. Unfortunately, they have
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: been extremely successful. So if you're going to fix it
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: and rebuild this country and turn it into a place
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: that the grandchildren you hopefully will have, can inherit and thrive,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: you're going to need to do something about the pressing
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: question of American identity. What does it mean to be
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: an American?
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: But it's fixable.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: You just have to try, and we will be trying,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: and we'll tell you as we continue to do that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So very interesting point here he says, we don't want
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Israel dictating our foreign policy. We don't want any more
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: foreign Wars. This was followed up by Tucker himself saying
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: he was going to make a major announcement yesterday in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a ninety minute long stream. Here's a taste of what
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: some of that was. Let's take a listen. So Joe
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: tell us, could it potentially be a new third part? Certainly?
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: Could?
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: I mean when I got together with Tucker, with Thomas Massey,
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Margine Taylor Green, as we're just kind of comparing notes,
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: most of us came to the conclusion that most Americans
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: that we talked to, they're sick of the Republicans, They're
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: sick of the Democrats. Now most of us, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: have been in Trump World for quite some time. All
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: of us kind of had our own you know break
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: to put it politely, with the Trump administration, and even
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of like hardcore Trump supporters right now they
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: feel very betrayed. I mean, one of the core tenets
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: of President Trump's agenda was no more endless wars.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: We felt.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I became a Trump supporter in sixteen when
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: Trump went after Jeb Bush on the debate stage because
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: I served and fought in Iraq, lost lost lots of
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: friends there. We have all come to our own conclusions
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: that look, this is not working and the confines of
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: the traditional Republican Party, the traditional Democrat party.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Most people are just sick of that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: And so we do think that there is I would
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: say from you know, a lot of your viewers, from
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: people who find themselves you know, more on the left,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: people who find themselves more on the right. We don't
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: think the current political system is working just because of
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: the results on the ground. No matter who we vote,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: we get another war in the Middle East, no matter
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: who we vote for. Apak and these major donors, most
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: of whom most Americans don't even know, they dictate the
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: policy that sends our best young men and women off
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: to go fight and die and form battlefields. They make
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: our taxes go up, and then they give us nothing
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: back in return.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So that was the big tea's there from Tucker at
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the end around third Party. Apparently it was a ten
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: point plan. Let's put F four up here on the screen,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Ryan and I will react. Here's for Tucker laid out
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: number one fair. The same rules should apply to president's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: federal agents and elites such as Jeffrey Epstein agreed.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so far take it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Sovereign Carlson says Israel push the United States to the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: ron Worther bribery threat or both, while describing foreign lobbying
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: corporate control of government as forms of slavery along the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: high interest debt.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm in debt. Yeah, yep.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Conductive America should rebuild farming, manufacturing, craftsmanship while rejecting an
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: economy dominated by finance, real estate speculation, surveillance system and weapons.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Check sign on board.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Beautiful urban planners deliberately uglified American cities portraying brutalist architecture, graffiti,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: public drug use, violent crime as deliberate attacks on the public.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Prettier stuff. I'm for it, uh, but public drug use,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: public drug take it outside.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You're you're cool with that, okay, I listen. I just
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: want to make sure. I want to make sure that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the guy who literally wrote the book on why public
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: should be legalized is grap like with what that means
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I said in the book, you also have to keep
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it under control, otherwise they're going to ban it again.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Right, which is what we're which is what we eventually
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: take it inside. This is a concerts Ryan still on board.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I like it healthy Carlson embraces rf case Food Agenda,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: calls for universal sobriety, and said widespread use of drugs
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: such as xanax adderall SSRIs have left Americans half addled.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: If you want to do a public health campaign towards
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: sobriety and that sort of thing, I'm fine with that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: When it drifts into banning stuff and jailing people, then
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: venom out.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't. You shouldn't jail people for using fentanyl in
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the in the park front child.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: You don't think so?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: No, So what was she she would do with that person?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: They need, they need treatment? Okay, what if they don't?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: We need we need to, we need to have Well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: are they committing crimes? If they're committing other crimes, then.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You can't be a drug addict not commit crime, But
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: being a drug addict by definition is I'm talking about
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: like other crimes outside of that, Well, how do you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: think they're funding their lifestyle?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: They're stealing stuff?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Then then go catch them, okay, prosecuting for that. Okay,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: so we're still we're still together, all right? A little
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: bit universal sobriety. I like that one uh six honest
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: government officials should be punished for lying to citizens. Most
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: classified records, including on JFK assassination nine to eleven, should
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: be open. Okay, yeah, good brand optimistic. Carlson argues having
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: children as a biological imperative the foundation of long term thinking,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: blaming aging, aging, and childless elites for policies that disregard
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: future generations.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: True, we need more people.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You're a father four right, you're you're actually, I mean
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for a leftist here doing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I'm doing my part.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: You're majorly doing it. Yes, so okay, we're all in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Schools should teach how physical world actually works, what he
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: calls unchanging facts about human nature, including innate differences between
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: men and women, rather than credentials screens and technological fads.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't listened, to be fair, I have not listened
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to any of this. This is literally because it's ninety
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: five minutes. It came out late last night. We had
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to do the show this morning. This is the write up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I do like this, non credentials, tech screens, a technological
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: fads thing, and teaching how the world works. Again. I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what he said, but how crazy is it?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: In the United States, they don't teach you about debt
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: like in high school. They don't actually do more basics
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of personal finance. You have to memorize cell structure. Fine, fine,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: but they don't tell you, like, hey, if you take
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: out a credit card, this is how annual percentage interest
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: works APR. This is what it means if you don't
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: do a minimum payment, then this is how long you're
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: going to be in debt. This is the process of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: getting a mortgage. This is a what a mortgage is.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, so much of it is like a black hole.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So okay, I think we're on board. So far decent.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: The United States should apologize and pay restitution for killing
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: non combatants, reverse the Trump's Department of War, rebrand, stop
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: funding allies that commit what Carlson called genocide, citing Israel.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think we're on board, Jack, right check. I actually
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: disagree with tuck around the Department of War. I think
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: we should keep the name because it's the only honest name.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Department of Defense is bullshit. We've launched more wars under
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Department of Defense than we did Department under Department of War.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Department of War was an understanding that when we use
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it, it was for war, and so the public was like, well,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't use it then, right, So under Dow we
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: actually fought less. So that's my bigger Diggers disagreement. Finally,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and this is where I think everything will start to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: come apart for you. Ryan Carlson calls for halting immigration
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: until the effects of AI become clearer, ending benefits for
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants, and making English the sole language of a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: federal document. And Ballance.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Let's see, I'm okay with like reform around our immigration system,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: and I think we should be able to come up
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: with something. But this is exactly where I get nervous
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: because what I don't see in here we're not done
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: yet is taking on the super rich. Now fairness, which
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: is number wide think fairness is where he would say that,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: but he also like fairness. He shoehorns in a lot
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: of like anti DEI stuff, so I would put in
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: going after.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: See know Tucker though he doesn't care about taxing rich people.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I mean he attacks constantly. He did a segment with
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: him five years ago he started talking about taxing Jeff Bezos.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like I would say, so, yeah, I'm not
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: going to speak for him, but I you know, saying
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: let's not pay our credit card debt or any of that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'll be on a show actually a few weeks, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I'll ask.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Him to me that to me, taking on this, this
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: olive art class has to be at the center of
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: any five partisan transportis and whatever you want to call it,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: agenda that brings both sides together, because if you don't,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: what the olive art class is going to do is
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: say is fuel the cultural wars over the things that
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: he says we shouldn't be arguing about. And my fear
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: of the populacet rights advocacy in this arena has always
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: been that it will take energy that's aimed at the
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: oligarchs and direct it towards immigrants and say that that's
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: the problem. So on the one hand, there's plenty of
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: immigration policy reform that I think a sensible left can
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: agree with, like a Bernie Sanders style left I can't
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: agree with. But if that becomes a deflection away from
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: the oligarch class, that I'm out we have to take
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: on the oligarchs. You take on the oligarchs, then let's
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: talk about immigrants.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: If you were to ask true someone like me who
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: opposes mass immigration and oligarchy, we would point out that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the oligarchs, the people who wanted mass immigration for cheap
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: labor to exploit, which literally turned to drive down wages
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and to make it so.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, but that's what they can find labor by
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: just moving their factories.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: All problem, right, But now if you haven't well, let's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: look at the Trump administration. What has the Trump administration done.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: They have made it so that you have enforcement, quote
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: on immigration, but with none of the crackdown on mass
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: capital lawyers on any of the corporations which employ them,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: mandatory everify any of the hotel chains, any of these people.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: That would be frankly, if you want people to just
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: self deport, make it illegal to work in the United
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: States illegally, it's really actually not that difficult. They refuse
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to do that because a huge number of these companies.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Stock prices, meat prices, all of that stuff would go up.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm acknowledging that I just a segment about burritos, But
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I will be honest with you that if you enforce
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: immigration very effectively, there will be some sort of a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: price increase. That's just basically, and.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: The only way to fix that is because and we
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: talked about this in the earlier segment, because we have
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: not had economic growth much at all over the last
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: twenty to thirty years, yet the very rich have gotten
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: much richer. We have all gotten poorer to make that,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: to make that possible. And one way that we have
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: kind of staved off a real collapse of the complete
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and total collapse in the middle class is what Tucker
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: talks about is debt. Yeah, so we're kind of that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: that's that's basically kind of foaming the runway for this
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: crash landing that is coming.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: The middle class is trading away as assets, getting giving
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the assets to the rich, taking on debt so that
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: they're their their quality of life doesn't deteriorate too quickly.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: But when the next crisis comes, that's going to say, oh, well,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: you no longer are interesting to us.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Now now let's do said all this is good. Third
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: parties are bad. Sorry I'll say it. They don't work.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: They do everything else though, was.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: That all that was?
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But see Ryan, then this is what Look Joe, nice guy,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: obviously I like talker, you know, but their parties don't work.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I mean there's no party which is meaningfully going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: win if you were the only So there we have
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a very recent test case which had a promise of
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: working is ended up being Trump who screwed them, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the leaders have set third party where you actually saw
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a third party candidate who was very effective with his coalition.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: His name is RFK Junior. You can hate RFK Junior.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: RFK Junior was an independent candidate originally Democratic candidate. Maha
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was part of the coalition. Trump called him and said, look,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I need Maha as part of my coalition. You will
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: be my HHS secretary. You will come and campaign for me.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You will get X, Y and Z. Now, obviously Trump
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: ends up subsuming that corporate interest in all that takeover. However,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Maha got you know, X, Y or Z thing the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: stupid shit that they're obsessed with, like caine, chief cane sugar,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: diet coked or cane sugar coke at steak and shake whatever.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: All right, but my point being that they took Maha
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and subsumed it into the Republican Party. No matter what
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you think of whether that was effective it politically, it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: was a strategy. Right, So to the extent that we
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: have now seen in multiple third party efforts, it is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: very obvious. Asked the DSA what they did is they
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: took their party, their activists in their platform. They said,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to do it. Trump did to the Republican Party,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We're going to take it over. Same with the Tea
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Party wave for example, you run within the primary, you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: work against the establishment. Now for a very effective third party,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what ends up happening is that it doesn't actually have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: any capacity to win, but it can pressure a major
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: party to subsume it and to integrate some of its options.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: We've seen this many times of popular challengers throughout history.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Huey Long fdr Right, what does he do. He's afraid
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: of hue so he starts to adopt some more economic
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: populist positions of other things that he didn't even necessarily
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: want to do. We've seen this also with Maha, We've
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: seen it with ross Pero. I mean, many tenants of
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: ross Parro's original campaign are now standard issue talking points
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of the Republican Party today, but they are not actually
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: going to win. And so in this case, it seems
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to me that if this is the platform that you want,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you set this platform, maybe not necessarily as a third party,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and then you say, within our two party system, whichever
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: party is more likely to agree more with me, we
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: will become part of said party, and we will hold
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that party to account with this set of principles. That's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the only way that it actually works. I know people
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: get mad about this, people like to dream and all
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of this about Republican Party. But you know, are sorry,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: third party, it's just not going to happen. Taking over
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the major parties is only what works. You can say,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I'm perpetuating the duopoly. I'm sorry, that's bullshit. There's too
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: much evidence now in the from what we've seen. Look
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: at Kashamasawan. You know, she just ran as a what
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: independent or whatever. She got stomped it humiliated in this race,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and so look, we have the evidence. It's out there.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it doesn't work. You can use it to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: try to get another party to cater to you. I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: cool with that, totally fine. But that is the most
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: effective way that you're That is the only effectiveness that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you will ever have.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: That's a great What does work is having a grassroots
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: organization that's organized around a set of principles that then
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: tries to yes pressure either party and so free consulting
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: advice for Tucker's new thing, they need a DS A,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: but they call it d NA, Democratic Nation Nationalists of America.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Anything with the word nationalists, the press is just going to.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Beat you democrats, Patriots of Patriots. I like d P
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: A r P A Republican Patriots of America.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: See, I would just do a call back to to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: like the revolution Sons of Liberty or something like you
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like it just yeah, that's true.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: A lot of these you know, patriot group groups have
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: all stolen that I would find. Maybe bull Moose, I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like bull Moose is totally I think I have bull Moose. Yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: right over there, bull Moose mug that I have back
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and there for the No Nothings, yeah, I mean, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: they got very unfairly treated in my story, Ryan in my.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Opinion called well were the American Party is what they want?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Last I know we're going late. But No Nothing is
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a perfect example. No Nothing is a came completely enmeshed
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and absorbed by the Republican Party of the day. The
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: amount of you know, Lincoln actually it was very had
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a real like he had to really he really struggled
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: with know nothingism as part of his coalition, having to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: deal with all these German and these Irish immigrants in
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the brigades, and I mean obviously with the New York
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: City Draft riots and having to balance all of that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But the no nothing is actually a perfect example of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: no nothing is eventually just gets absorbed into both of
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the coalition's post Civil War. The only time a new
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: political party would actually be capable of winning, like the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Republican Party of eighteen sixty is you need an issue
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: which destroyed Wiggory, which was slavery, where Northern Wiggory and
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Southern Wiggory fundamentally could not reconcile because of slavery. That
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was the one thing that was going to And so
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: there's no issue like that in the Republican Party today.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: There simply isn't that is going to where a person
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: who has this position cannot live with the other person.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. And so that's why it's such a unique,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you know, time to even that that even happened. But
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: we should respect why that happened and be very sober
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: minded about where we are. I also think some of
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the both sidesism is kind of lame in my opinion,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: because and you know, look, this is just objectively like
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you have an entire democratic revolution right now happening of
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: candidates who are rejecting Israel. Like that's not you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: like that's not happening on the Republican side. I wish
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it were happy on It's not happening period. Thomas Massey
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: got his ass stopped in his primary. So you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: if you're going to do a cost benefit analysis, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I encourage people to do that, to be realistic when
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they vote, they should say, Okay, if this is my
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: number one issue, this is the side where I'm going
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to go right. And you could use third party activism
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to pressure, but in and of itself, it doesn't have
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a chance. That's the truth. And I'll tell them that,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: you know, if we would ever talk about it, Okay.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I gotta go on. There took should I was supposed
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: to go on a scheduling issue, but ah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Is that what happened. We'll get you back on, get
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: back at.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Your Okay, make my wealth tax case directly.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't think I don't think you
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: would object whatsoever. I really again my personal view, not
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: speaking for him, but I would find it very difficult.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: To see him find out anything like that.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Martaza hus say he's standing by.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: So the head of the Washington Office of UNISEF, which
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: is the UN agency responsible for the welfare of children,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: is a man named Yahav Lishner. This is an Israeli
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: official who in the twenty tens was working at the
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: United Nations. Drop Site News has some new reporting revealing
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: that wall Lishner was at the United Nations he was
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: acting effectively as a mole for the State of Israel.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: To discuss that report and the fallout from it is
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: my Dropsite colleague Martaza Hussein Maz Thanks for being here
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: on breaking Points.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Do you just see man?
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: You could see this? Yeah?
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: So really kind of It's one of those stories that
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: is uh shocking and not surprising, but the details of
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: it are are quite incredible, particularly given the fact that
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Listener remains as the you know, execut the head of
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: the Watching office of UNISEF. So walk us through a
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: little bit of how how he wound up and later
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I want to hear if you can, you know, to
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: tell us as much as you can about like the
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: reporting behind this, because that's also really interesting. But how
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: does how does you have Listener wind up at the
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: at the United Nations at all?
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: Sure? So these stories. This story is based on a
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: set of emails from twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, so
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: a little while ago, that were posted on this website
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: that we've used for other stories distributed denial of secrets.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: It's a cash of leaked emails from the then UN ambassador.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: So then then is really ambassador to the UN, Ron
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: Prosor and Lichtner before he worked for the UN itself,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: he worked for Prosor. He was working with the with
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: the mission these really mission and so forth, and Prosor
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: worked really hard to get Lichtner into the UN, as
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: we can see in these emails. And one individual people
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: probably know who's very integral and getting him in that role.
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: I was Samantha Power. Samantha Power seemed to work very
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: closely with pro Sore in many ways when she was
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: at the UN, and they Proson was very keen on
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: Lichner getting into the UN system itself, and he asked
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: her to make recommendations, make a few phone calls, apply
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: pressure and you know, other incentives to UN officials to
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: get him in there. And then this is around the
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: early twenty fourteen. By May twenty fourteen, he's in there
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: and almost immediately after getting into the UN, he begins
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: leaking information, confidential reports and documents and internal correspondence to
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: his former colleagues at the Israeli mission and other Israeli diplomats. So,
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: you know, it's very interesting a US official at the
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: beh stuff and Israeli official I got a certain individual
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: into a role within the UN, and then immediately upon
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: that happening, the individuals starts keep sharing insider political intelligence
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  Speaker 6: and confidential documents and so forth with these really governments.
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  Speaker 6: So that's kind of the chain of how this started.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, as you've mentioned in your introduction, Ryan,
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  Speaker 6: this gentleman has continued to rise in the ranks at
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: the UN in the year since, such that he holds
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: a point influential office at UNSEF in DC.
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  Speaker 1: So he's here in Washington, he is, I mean, can
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: we call it what it is?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: You call him an Israeli mall like he literally worked
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  Speaker 1: to pass information to the Israeli gar Why do they
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: have an incentive to have somebody embedded in UNSEF. I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: also find it a bit ironic, as I understand that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: they were often accusing UN personnel of being hamas themselves.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's funny because in the story itself,
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: I never really editorialized per se about you know, what
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: this person was exactly. I just described what they were doing, right,
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: and the description is basically all on their own communications
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  Speaker 6: in the email, So as I said, like they got
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: the role, then immediately upon getting the role, and for
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: a very prolonged period of time as long as the
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: emails go, they're leaking information to the Israeli government thereafter.
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  Speaker 6: So it does very much look like the behavior of
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: somebody who was input in an organization as a whole,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: or a spy or something to that effect, to basically
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: undermine it or shape its operations and so forth. That's
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: what the information is strongly suggests, and that's just people
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: read the article and draw their own conclusions, but you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: it's their own communications. So, you know, if you look
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: at the broader picture, there are a lot of countries
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  Speaker 6: that would surely like to manipulate the operations of global
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  Speaker 6: governance organizations the IMF, World Bank, the UN, and so forth,
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  Speaker 6: because they feel they can obtain political benefit that or
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: they feel that they're facing scrutiny from these organizations that
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: they would like to defray. And this time, Israel was
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: probably not as unpopular as is today. It was kind
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: of walking down the path through various wars and Gaza
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  Speaker 6: to reaching the present state. But you know, they were
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: facing scrutiny for the occupation in the West Bank, the
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: conduct in the twenty fourteen war in Gaza, which killed
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: a large number of civilians, and they were seeking ways
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  Speaker 6: to mute that criticism or you know, end it or
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: even turn it around at the United Nations, which is
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: a forum for global public opinion in many ways, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: having individuals on the inside who were able to provide
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: information and advice and guidance and confidential information and documents
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  Speaker 6: is a good way of doing that. I imagine there
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: are a lot of countries who would like to do that.
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  Speaker 6: But in this case, what was different is that the
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: US government was helping, seemingly the Israelis input their person
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  Speaker 6: into this role in the UN such as that they
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: could play that role. So not every country has the
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: assistance of semantic power or other if want of US
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  Speaker 6: officials to you know, do this form of entryism and
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: sort of speak into an organization. And you know, I'll
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: add one very quick point too, is that the UN,
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: in a way if you think about it, it's kind
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: of like a utopian idea the organization, because the idea
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: is that people will come and work here, and in
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: doing so, they will shed their national identities or downgrade
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: them important and embrace a universalistic identity based on their
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: membership and the UN. And that's actually when we reference
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: in our story the UN's official Code of Conduct and regulations.
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  Speaker 6: They ask you see yourself as exclusively international official and
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: not national official. That's a very interesting sort of, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: unique way of framing someone's membership in an organization. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: I think some people, maybe you are capable of doing that,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: they will put aside the national identification entirely and focus
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: only on the interest of the organization. But for other people,
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: you know, the tribal identity or national identity is extremely
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: overp and strong, and they will never abandon it in
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: favor of what the UN is asking me this case,
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: and in that case, of course, you're going to have
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: people who are leaking information and things like that. And
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: again it could be many countries, but in this case,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: because of American assistance, perhaps it was much more easy
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: for these reelis to do that.
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  Speaker 4: And while you didn't editorialize. In the piece, there's an
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: interesting moment where Listener himself is preparing talking points for
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: the ambassador Broser to describe Listener and he in his
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: own talking points, he says, Jaha has very good political
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: and analytical skills. He knows exactly what member state's political
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: positions are. And he's an intelligence officer in training and
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: was a political officer in the Israel Embassy in the UK,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: working with the MPs in the House of Commons and Lord.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: So according to his own self assessment, he calls himself
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: an intelligence officer in training. What kind of one piece
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  Speaker 4: of pushback I've seen, uh A sort of attempting to
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: formulate it is Uh goes to that question of you know,
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  Speaker 4: whether you can actually divide your national and international you know, affiliations,
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  Speaker 4: UH and and your service to your country and says, well,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: it's not like working for the CIA, where you're secreting
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  Speaker 4: out information. In the UN, you're you're sort of allowed
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: to share information. What what are you allowed to share?
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: What?
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: What? What aren't you supposed to share? What? What type
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: of information was was he sharing with the Israelis? That
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: has that has drawn criticism from UN officials in the
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: days in you know, in the in the time since
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: your story has been published.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so we spoke some you and officials to try
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: to get a sense of their interpretation of the conduct
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: in One individual was a former Assistant Secretary General, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: you know, his view is that the content describing the
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: emails is completely adverse to the ethos and the rules
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  Speaker 6: of the United Nations, because you know, you're undermining the
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: interests of the organization by leaking private correspondence, private reports,
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: reports which are marked confidential specifically and requested UN officials
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  Speaker 6: not to disseminate and so forth. And you know, there
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: are other things in there that there were accounts of
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: private meetings between UN officials and you know, officials of
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: the Egyptian government or the Iraqi government or other global
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: governance organizations. Internal accounts from the Secretary General's circle of
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: individuals who you know jockeying for positions and you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: political appointments and so forth, which are forecoming even unpublished
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: draft texts of then Secretary General bankkeep moons remarks which
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: Lichner was saying, he's telling his former colleagues he's going
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: to help change them to be more favorable to Israel.
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  Speaker 6: And so forth. So this is tremendously undermining the the
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: the UN's impartiality or undermining its ability to push forward
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: policies and so forth. And there were also specifically some
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: reports of killings of palstitiing teenagers in the West Bank
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: that the UN was receiving inquiries about from reporters. Liftner,
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: according to emails, he was involved in sharing information about
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: that private league with Israeli officials and also giving them
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: proactive advice how to respond to this and frame their
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: own response. And you know, telling me a lot of
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: these emails are sent from a Gmail account because you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: if you work for an organization and you want to
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: hide your communication, you will often move to a private
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: email account such that your communications which you don't want
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: people to see, cannot be queeried with somebody inside the organization.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: That's why Hillary Clinton use a personal email account, for instance,
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: to do things some years ago. It's very common for
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: people in government to do that and they don't want
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: people to see. So I think that it was all
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: very something that the UN would completely disapprove of. The
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: issue is that unlike the CIA, unlike the US government,
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: the UN does have a classification system and confidentiality and
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: so forth. But there's not the same enforcement mechanism. It's
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: not that you will go to jail if you do this,
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: or you will even be fired necessarily. It's more like
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: an honor system. And maybe, you know, if this is
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: an important subject, maybe you should have more of a rigorous,
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: you know, regime to prevent leaks of information. But in
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: the absence of that, it's sort of a broken system
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: a little bit. It's a bit more porous that should
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: be given the gravity if the matter is at end.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Great story, MOS, appreciate you joining us, sir, Thank you,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Pro show. It's always fun talking with you. It's good
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  Speaker 1: to say, my friend, there will be a Friday show
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  Speaker 1: for everybody tomorrow. See you then,